#Please buff the steal of jackpot

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silk trail
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the solution would be to revert the buffs

edgy stream
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^

silk trail
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and admit they messed up

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but they won't do that

edgy stream
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They wont do that

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Exactly

silk trail
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because the devs are stupid and/or catering to the casual audience that WANTS everything to be braindead easy

edgy stream
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Look at what they did to BLR before they sold it

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NEL isagi and Kaiser

silk trail
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I've checked out of this game mentally already

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tbh

fathom lantern
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Lmao this game is bound to get power creeped, look at the difference between ace and giant

edgy stream
silk trail
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you're so right

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who cares about balance

fathom lantern
edgy stream
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Its not

silk trail
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saying powercreep is bound to happen is like saying we're all gonna die someday

edgy stream
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Giant is better but not by much

silk trail
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it's true but it's not an excuse not to try

edgy stream
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Giant is completely carried by snatch block

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Just like ace is completely carried by athletic drive

silk trail
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you don't even need to revert the nerfs entirely, just increase the windup again

fathom lantern
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People were saying the same thing with ace on release

silk trail
edgy stream
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Jackpot doesnt have a counter

fathom lantern
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Now look where we ay

edgy stream
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Ace does

silk trail
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don't be a hypocrite

edgy stream
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The jackpot steal is instant, goes across the map, and steals thru iframes

silk trail
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I highkey don't give a flying fig about patience when the devs have demonstrated that they don't either

fathom lantern
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They saw the result

silk trail
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fify

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they'll probably nerf the Ace shot at this rate just because those same idiot casuals can't block it

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Balancing direction like this - impulsive, buff-oriented, never-go-down mindset - unironically kills games

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I don't know (or care really) if you care about that, but I do

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So I'll call it out when it happens

fathom lantern
silk trail
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What aren't you getting

azure crypt
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The game is already balanced as it is

edgy stream
silk trail
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This latest buff goes against what's been making the game good

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And sets a bad precedent for the future

edgy stream
azure crypt
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Pre

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Pre

silk trail
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Casuals don't know what makes a game good

edgy stream
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Yeah

azure crypt
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Not post def not post

silk trail
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Listening to good players benefits the casuals too, even if they don't realize it

edgy stream
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Pre jackpot buff the game was actually in a decent state

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Now jackpot is god

azure crypt
silk trail
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this patch with the QoL minus the Jackpot buffs would've been peak

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Instead they're showing their... Can't say that word

edgy stream
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People who are trash at the game tried using jackpot steal when players were dribbling and called it bad

ebon mason
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the style came out recently and people dont wanna learn how to use the steal properly

azure crypt
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They should've let jackpot marinate first before deciding to buff/nerf it

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It only came out a couple of days ago

ebon mason
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"i cant steal so its a bad style 😠 "

edgy stream
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Most jackpot players dont know they can wait for them to pump fake and get a free steal

ebon mason
edgy stream
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Deadass the only move in the game that goes thru pump fake and post form iframes

silk trail
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sad

edgy stream
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And people were saying its vad

ebon mason
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but ANOTHER buff? thats just greedy

silk trail
azure crypt
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The amount of jackpot users that have solo'ed my team is insane

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What more buff does it need

silk trail
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A balancing team's job isn't to kowtow to the playerbase

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It's to balance the game

edgy stream
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LOOL

ebon mason
silk trail
ebon mason
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cuz imagine making a new style and no one uses it

edgy stream
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Random lucky bounce buff on top of buffing the steal

silk trail
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you'd be an active detriment to the game's health

ebon mason
silk trail
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it absolutely is

edgy stream
azure crypt
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It is

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It shows the incompetence

ebon mason
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am i missing a secret buff that i didnt see

silk trail
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Jackpot is a must-pull now

ebon mason
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JACKPOT
Jackpot Steal's range was increased and now has a shorter windup. Yoink!
Jackpot Steal can no longer be used whilst ankle broken. Your ankles need time to heal man, you can't go right back into the game.
Lucky Bounce's range was increased. Boioioioioing.

silk trail
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what aren't you seeing

edgy stream
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Jackpot was already doing insanely well in high skill lobbies because it could steal from pump fake

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Maybe u arent at that level where everyone pump fakes before passing @ebon mason

ebon mason
azure crypt
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No wonfer

azure crypt
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Lmfao

silk trail
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are

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you

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commenting

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on

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a

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balance

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issue

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you

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havent

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even

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been

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impacted

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by

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yet

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oh

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my

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god

edgy stream
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Pump fake passing is. Afeature

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To make your passes unblockable

ebon mason
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FIXES
Infinite pumpfaking should no longer be possible, gotta give your arms a rest.

Tatlis sends his apologies in the form of the TATLISBUGOOPS code!

edgy stream
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That is not pump fake passing

cobalt hinge
edgy stream
ebon mason
azure crypt
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Mf go to sleep

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I seriously hope they don't ruin this game by making it unbalanced

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It's one of the best basketball games out rn

edgy stream
silk trail
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Just made a suggestion for it

edgy stream
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This is the same reason the steal was broken

azure crypt
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That sky leap buff was so game changing

edgy stream
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It was but I’m talking about pumpfake passing being unblockable

azure crypt
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It's still unblockable no?

edgy stream
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Yeah

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Thats the reason why the jackpot steal was already insane at a high level

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Because everyone pumpfake passes

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And since the steal goes thru pumpfake iframes, it completely shafted the entire mechanic

strong idol
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It instant now??? Holy

strong idol
# edgy stream Bounce didnt need the buff

It kinda need? Imo before the buff the range is shorter than the normal steal range and if you dribble pass an ankle break guy. The ball will go to him Depression
Probably skill issues

strong idol
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Bro y'all overreacting smh. It not instant and it barely anything

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I tested it and it still have a wind up

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The range to activate it is still normal. I don't have a proper ps+ with a dummy but I tried in public and the range is still the same or a little bit more

strong idol
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The only big buff is the dribbling. Which is needed cuz you can steal the ball before you can even use the skill

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If ya say just normal dribble then use the skill to close up the gap
If the guy got ankle broken by the normal dribble. And you use the skill, the ball will be passed to the guy who is flat on the floor 🙏

fathom path
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This might be top 3 entertaining threads

strong idol
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Fr

fathom path
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Jackpot arguments got me in a treat

strong idol
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Debates about the steal

edgy stream
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the steal really didnt need a buff

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the fact it could steal thru pumpfake and post form made it the best defending style in the game

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even better than giant

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and then with the lucky bounce buff now it has the best of both worlds

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a dribbling ability arguably better than ace and a defensive ability thats better than giant's

strong idol
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They are quite close

edgy stream
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but that fact that it steals from pumps and post form, as well as chases the ball even if u pass it out makes it insane defensively

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if u are patient with it and wait for your opponent to waste his 3 dribbles u can ALMOST guarantee a turnover if you jump to block the pass (in case they dont pump fake) and if they pumpfake, you immediately use the steal move

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people just make it look like its a terrible move because they use it when people are dribbling

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which is the same reason it got buffed

strong idol
edgy stream
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the steal retargets

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if they pass the ball to someone else

strong idol
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I flew to the player. Not the dang ball that flew

edgy stream
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did u not know that

strong idol
edgy stream
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you havent had the situation happen then

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but its a thing

strong idol
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Usually I just flew pass by

edgy stream
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as I said though, even without the retargetting u can almost guarantee a turnover on defenbse

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go try what I said

strong idol
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Anyway the buff for the steal is uh

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Small no?

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The range buff is like nothing

edgy stream
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the windup reduction is acc insane

strong idol
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The windup lessen by 0.2

edgy stream
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that 0.2 is crazy

strong idol
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Lol

edgy stream
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because adding on ping

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and server delay

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that 0.2 gets multiplied

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on paper yeah 0.2 is nothing

strong idol
edgy stream
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but its A LOT in games where people dont have 0 ping

strong idol
edgy stream
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....?

strong idol
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Eh nvm continue

edgy stream
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the devs have to base nerfs and buffs around how the game plays

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not how it SHOULD play on paper

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you can't really make a move that has a 0.4 second windup and expect people to react to it when the average ping of someone falls between 70-100 ms

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even if the startup reduction was small in theory it plays completely differently in the game, because with added ping its super hard to react to the steal now

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idek why we're arguing tbh the devs wont change it

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it just is what it is, we will just have to wait for the next broken style to eventually replace jackpot

silk trail
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everyone who advocated for a buff should be forced to scrim now

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for a whole day

tulip root
edgy stream
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if u wait for someone to dribble 3 times and then use it u will almost always get the ball

fathom path
tulip root
edgy stream
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then you jump and swat the ball

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if they pump fake, you can insta use the steal move afterwards

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and boom

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u get the ball easily

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besides, in almost every high lvl lobby people will pump fake pass because its unblockable

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if they dont do it then its an easy swat

tulip root
strong idol
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There's less window for the user to steal

edgy stream
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so just having the move p much disables the entire pumpfake mechanic

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is that balanced

strong idol
edgy stream
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yeah that's why I keep on saying, whenever the lobby's skill level is higher, jackpot gets A LOT more value

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it is probably one of the few styles that gets more value out of going against good players

strong idol
edgy stream
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yeah theres a limit u can stay in the pump fake iframes

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its like 3 or 4 seconds

strong idol
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Huh

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It feels longer tbh

edgy stream
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which is super useful when everyone is getting covered

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and ur waiting for someone to get in position

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what happens with jackpot? just having the lucky steal move basically disables that mechanic

strong idol
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Ain't that a sure way to win then

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Can't even block the paas

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Pass

edgy stream
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not really because the pass can be intercepted

strong idol
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It even better if it from a random team

edgy stream
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it forces people to play m2m coverage

strong idol
edgy stream
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but pumpfaking gives u breathing room

edgy stream
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meaning everyone has 1 person they can cover

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jackpot ruins it though since its absurdly good in 1v1s

strong idol
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💔

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Besides just ban it in scrims thej

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Then

edgy stream
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in scrims and such

strong idol
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I mean outside of scrims and tournament

edgy stream
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the fact that just having the move blocks off one of the most powerful offensive moves in game is insane

strong idol
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Do you even see people using pump fake

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Cuz I don't

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Not at all rarely actually

edgy stream
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yeah but the issue is that the game shouldnt be balanced around bad players

strong idol
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Doesn't scrim let you ban a certain style

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Cuz it too op or smth

edgy stream
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dunno

strong idol
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You can come with a agreement

edgy stream
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jackpot would probably be perma banned if its a thing

strong idol
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So your saying just because it op in scrims and tournament

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We should let it be bad in randoms?

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You don't see people using pump fake in randoms

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How u gonna use it

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Your logic goes both ways

edgy stream
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them not using a mechanic doesnt mean it doesnt exist

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my argument doesnt go both ways

strong idol
edgy stream
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its not like the mechanic is turned off in public lobbies

edgy stream
strong idol
edgy stream
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they can use it if they wanted to

edgy stream
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which is my point

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the move can be used they just choose not to

strong idol
edgy stream
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why should it be balanced around that??

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wdym

strong idol
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If no one use pump fake cuz they suck

edgy stream
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use it on giant's post form

strong idol
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Then doesn't that make the steal unusable

strong idol
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Lol

edgy stream
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yeah

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I do

strong idol
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Dang

edgy stream
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use it when you're behind someone who has the ball

strong idol
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Why is steal so specific

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Jeez

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Just take out the move and replace it

edgy stream
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use it when they pass to someone who is wide open

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to close the gap

strong idol
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Can't pleased both sides

edgy stream
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and take it

strong idol
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The random and the scrims user

edgy stream
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theres a lot of ways to use it

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you just have to get creative

strong idol
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Just ban it bro

strong idol
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Come up with one

edgy stream
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I just told u

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like 3 different ways

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u can use it

fathom path
edgy stream
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outside of scrims

fathom path
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they had bro

strong idol
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Da who

fathom path
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in here

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🥀

strong idol
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Lol

edgy stream
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he wasnt actually in here

strong idol
edgy stream
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pretty sure if u just ping someone

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it brinfs them in

edgy stream
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using it from where they cant see u

strong idol
edgy stream
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u cant just be in front of someone dribbling and use the move

strong idol
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😭 🙏

edgy stream
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chances are they are going to take the shot

fathom path
strong idol
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Yea

fathom path
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it's said in the description and said multiple times

strong idol
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Bro you want a style to be nerf cuz it op against pro people M

edgy stream
strong idol
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Scrim

edgy stream
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there should be a mid point

strong idol
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Can't you just get a agreement and ban that style?

edgy stream
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to where it gets a small buff

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my main complaint is that 2 things got buffed about it

strong idol
edgy stream
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lucky bounce and lucky steal

strong idol
fathom path
edgy stream
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I understand lucky bounces range was really short

strong idol
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You can get ball stolen before you use it

fathom path
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the game is meant for kids

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and it's said like multiple times

strong idol
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Omg

fathom path
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like ALOT

edgy stream
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have yall ever thought of pro lobbies changing the values on certain moves

long flare
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Y’all are tripping leave steal as is and make lucky bounce able to use without an opponent in front of you

edgy stream
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if they ever get added

strong idol
fathom path
strong idol
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It that simple

fathom path
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okay

edgy stream
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which is why theres a spin system

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and rarities

fathom path
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thats not really the point

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being made though

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💀

edgy stream
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if the mythic styles are better then you will get more people trying to spin for them

strong idol
fathom path
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okay

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what im saying is not going through you

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nvm

edgy stream
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no I already understood what u were saying

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the game is made for kids so u want styles to be braindead

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I am saying thats fine

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its attractive for things to be braindead since people just want free baskets

strong idol
edgy stream
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what I am saying is yall should think about adding pro lobbies with diff balancing

strong idol
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Simple*

fathom path
fathom path
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everythings meant to be insanely easy

strong idol
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It basically end our debate

fathom path
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so high-end people isn't a consideration in games like these

edgy stream
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just point click

strong idol
fathom path
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Now for me though personally

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I prefer high-end sport games more

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I actually no lifed them

edgy stream
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it would just be nice if one style didnt overshadow the rest

fathom path
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so this type of game isn't my thing

edgy stream
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for sure

fathom path
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in terms of playing wise

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im just a more competitive person

strong idol
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Like pretty hard actually

edgy stream
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realistically before this update this game was pretty balanced @hoary trout

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the one style I think overshadowed the rest

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was flash

fathom path
edgy stream
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thanks

strong idol
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💔

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Just ban that style in scrim

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It ez

edgy stream
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flash is insane

fathom path
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I mean shoot lots of people complain how braindead BLR can be but u can see from the results itself

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thats just what people like

strong idol
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Surely that possible

edgy stream
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I dont blame them

strong idol
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It just 2 clan fighting for a reward if it offical

edgy stream
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they are making bank

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but if u dont have NEL isagi or kaiser

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dont even play the game

fathom path
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i like doing alot of

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strategy stat complexed type of games

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so i cant really play this game that much if im being overpowered by a giant charge

edgy stream
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yeah for sure

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I prefer games with higher skill ceiling as well

edgy stream
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ace was well made because its a noob stomper

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then giant got a 5 second ragdoll

fathom path
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loool

fathom path
edgy stream
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yeah I get that

fathom path
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go in the game, spend money on something thats a mythical, you'd expect it to be op

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I mean shoot man

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it is wat it is

edgy stream
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at the end of the day, the game is made to make money

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if the mythic styles werent better people wouldnt spin for them

fathom path
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tho I wouldn't agree with making a style too op tho

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like

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crazy crazy op

edgy stream
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I guess but thats what happens when everys tyle is slightly better than the one before

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thats how you get powercreep

fathom path
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true

edgy stream
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BLR was decently balanced the first few weeks, maybe even months of release

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and now look at the state of the game

fathom path
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and Icel I'd say what im saying is ironic too, cause when it comes to games like these

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I usually wanna spend money on something op

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dog people and call it a day

strong idol
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I just want smth cool

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Lol

edgy stream
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obviously

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I've spent money trying to spin jackpot as well

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I'm chilling with giant though

fathom path
edgy stream
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atp it happens to every game

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every game has some sort of gambling mechannic

fathom path
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thats what people have adapted too

edgy stream
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did u ever play rogue lineage

fathom path
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and it clearly makes money so why stop there

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thats crazy dopamine

edgy stream
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cuz they had a decent system

fathom path
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im familiar wit it tho

edgy stream
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race spin system

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they would give racial buffs

strong idol
edgy stream
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some rarer than others but it didnt necessarily mean they were straight up better

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they had different advantages which I liked, until eventually they released a broken rare race

fathom path
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they had specific pros and cons

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that could only reach its full potential

edgy stream
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yeah exactly

fathom path
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depending on wat u add on top of it

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yeah I like games like those

edgy stream
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I think thats the way to handle a race spinning system

fathom path
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games with all the percentage and 0.5% Rate buffs are like

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a so me type of game

edgy stream
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I mea lets face it they're meant as cash grabs

fathom path
edgy stream
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having rare stuff that is way better than the common stuff is an easy way to get people to spin for them

edgy stream
fathom path
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I played it for like the first 3 months, took a break

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came back months later and realize im not built for ts

edgy stream
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yeah same

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peope discovered too many techs and stuff

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wasnt fun anymore, just sweating every time u had to fight someone

fathom path
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when u miss that much and u cant keep up cause you have life things to do

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its so demotivating

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😭 🙏

edgy stream
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on god

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minmaxing builds was also made way too easy

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so you'd see clone troopers running almost the same exact build everywhere

fathom path
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them meta builds man

edgy stream
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shrine of order minmaxing ☠️

normal nebula
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leandre yappin

hasty tulip
azure tulip
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why are we talking about deep in a suggestion about jackpot😂✌️

keen hare
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we talking bt a mid game

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in a peak suggestion

woeful phoenix
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repost cuz its real

sick kayak
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Its way better but still easy to counter the windup so now nobody can complain and everyone wins

strong idol
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Nope it not

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Your blind 💔

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The range is still not that much from pre buff

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I tell you why. The range to activate the dribble skill is shorter than a normal steal

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Which is bad for a mythical

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People don't even do that in public 💔 probably only pro which is scrims. Ig just ban that style?

proud oracle
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Don't ban jackpot, I love gambling 🥀

strong idol
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Gib is just straight hating now

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Steal is not instant. His overreacting

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The dribble need that buff badly

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The iframe one

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Tbh I can't defend that but at the same time I don't think that the reason they should not buff jackpot

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Just remove that iframe steal or ban jackpot in pro plays

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Cuz barely anyone use it in lobby

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Idc if they are bad that why they don't use it

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It not a reason to nerf smth just because it a counter to smth that pros does

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I don't play scrims and only play randoms

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I don't even have a chance to use it

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Only when I'm lucky about finding that window or they forget how to dribble

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And once again it is not instant

quartz trout
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I thought this was resolved😭

strong idol
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People overreacting about the jackpot buff

harsh island
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omg "jackpot buff"

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this is criminal

strong idol
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Lol

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Oh no it a game breaking buff

harsh island
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Jackpot need to be nerfff

strong idol
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It so op 💔

harsh island
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frr

quartz trout
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It’s not even instant dude😭

strong idol
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Fr

strong idol
quartz trout
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I checked the older msgs idk what ppl r talking about

strong idol
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And they act like the dribble moves are fine before buff

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That false breh

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The range is shorter than normal steal

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😭

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You have to be in a kissing distance to use it

quartz trout
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Why r ppl acting like jackpot is comparable to nel in blr😭

strong idol
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😭

quartz trout
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A jackpot user can’t steamroll your team in 2 seconds 😭

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I can’t tell if mythic styles are hella broken or ppl just like complaining

strong idol
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Lol

strong idol
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I scored 4 times

quartz trout
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That might be a stretch but yea

strong idol
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Lol

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They make it like jackpot received the most braindead buff possible

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😭

quartz trout
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I know there’s a visible difference but I don’t feel like I’m a god playing jackpot😭

strong idol
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Lol

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The steal is still hard to land aside from post form iframe and pump fake

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Ikr it so unbelievable

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😭

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Jeez I thought it was actually broken but nope

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These overreacting people got me hype only to meet the cold truth

quartz trout
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I have to wait until my opponent uses their dribbles or else I’ll get a concussion from hitting a wall

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Cuz you slide so far if you get ankle broken

strong idol
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😭

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They ain't gonna do pump fake

quartz trout
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Ppl in pubs never pump fake

strong idol
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Ye fr

quartz trout
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So I can never use the steal 😔

strong idol
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Hey ig go join scrims 💀

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I mean it op right? Only in scrims tho

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It should not be buff

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Let the causal suffer with a unusable steal

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Idc about em

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Only scrims

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They nub

quartz trout
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Fair enoughthumbs_up

strong idol
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Stupid people I swear

quartz trout
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Why is thread still alive tho

strong idol
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Idk

quartz trout
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It served its purpose already

strong idol
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It got buffed

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Ig it for stupid people to yap how op it is?

quartz trout
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Idk why this was made

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This game will probably add a better style than jackpot so complaining won’t do anything

strong idol
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Lol

quartz trout
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Next kunigami incident sideeye

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Alr I’m gonna go to school I’ll check on this thread when I get home

woeful phoenix
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where can i find em if they do

woeful phoenix
naive tiger
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if they're playing against the steal not pump passing just block the pass, and if you time the moves correctly you can use it on anything, easiest would be quickstep on flash but yeah you can do it to aces too

strong idol
woeful phoenix
strong idol
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They might add pro lobby's soon

woeful phoenix
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and it better have lvl requirements

keen hare
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Stop yapping

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@slate reef we got what we want

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w

keen hare
keen hare
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thanks for buffing it!

strong idol
chrome ingot
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the move is bad tbh but buffing it would break the balance

strong idol
chrome ingot
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😂

strong idol
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Lol

shadow wyvern
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Lol

tepid hill
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bump

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wait nvm

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it works fine

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if you can use it

feral token
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Horrible take

keen hare
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Don't chat anymore

keen hare