#Please buff the steal of jackpot
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because the devs are stupid and/or catering to the casual audience that WANTS everything to be braindead easy
Lmao this game is bound to get power creeped, look at the difference between ace and giant
Its not even that big of a difference
yeah man we should just shrug our shoulders and let the dev team do whatever they want
you're so right
who cares about balance
The difference is pretty big
Its not
saying powercreep is bound to happen is like saying we're all gonna die someday
Giant is better but not by much
it's true but it's not an excuse not to try
Giant is completely carried by snatch block
Just like ace is completely carried by athletic drive
you don't even need to revert the nerfs entirely, just increase the windup again
Never said to ignore what happens, people adapt and new skills will release, just give it some time
People were saying the same thing with ace on release
Ur not getting the point
did they give it time before they buffed it?
Jackpot doesnt have a counter
Now look where we ay
Ace does
don't be a hypocrite
The jackpot steal is instant, goes across the map, and steals thru iframes
I highkey don't give a flying fig about patience when the devs have demonstrated that they don't either
The devs found it lacking themselves, they didn't need time😂
They saw the result
The devs heard a bunch of awful players complaining about it and decided to cater to them while ignoring every good player saying the Steal was perfectly fine*
fify
they'll probably nerf the Ace shot at this rate just because those same idiot casuals can't block it
Balancing direction like this - impulsive, buff-oriented, never-go-down mindset - unironically kills games
I don't know (or care really) if you care about that, but I do
So I'll call it out when it happens
Idk man im not saying i want this game to be like blr but its doing really well
Because the devs have been listening to good players until now
What aren't you getting
The game is already balanced as it is
Because 99% of the players are mechanically challenged
This latest buff goes against what's been making the game good
And sets a bad precedent for the future
With post buff jackpot?
Casuals don't know what makes a game good
Yeah
Not post def not post
Listening to good players benefits the casuals too, even if they don't realize it
It's because they don't know that passing is the best move in the game
an amazing state even
this patch with the QoL minus the Jackpot buffs would've been peak
Instead they're showing their... Can't say that word
People who are trash at the game tried using jackpot steal when players were dribbling and called it bad
the style came out recently and people dont wanna learn how to use the steal properly
They should've let jackpot marinate first before deciding to buff/nerf it
It only came out a couple of days ago
"i cant steal so its a bad style 😠 "
Most jackpot players dont know they can wait for them to pump fake and get a free steal
^^^ but now they want ANOTHER buff?
Deadass the only move in the game that goes thru pump fake and post form iframes
And people were saying its vad
i hear it why, they want players to try the new style so it makes sense ish
but ANOTHER buff? thats just greedy
It doesn't even make a little sense
The amount of jackpot users that have solo'ed my team is insane
What more buff does it need
Bounce didnt need the buff
LOOL
i would also buff so people would use it more
I'm glad you're not on the balancing team then
cuz imagine making a new style and no one uses it
Random lucky bounce buff on top of buffing the steal
you'd be an active detriment to the game's health
this buff isnt game changing is it?
it absolutely is
It is
am i missing a secret buff that i didnt see
Jackpot is a must-pull now
JACKPOT
Jackpot Steal's range was increased and now has a shorter windup. Yoink!
Jackpot Steal can no longer be used whilst ankle broken. Your ankles need time to heal man, you can't go right back into the game.
Lucky Bounce's range was increased. Boioioioioing.
They got rid of like 75% of the startup for the Steal
what aren't you seeing
Jackpot was already doing insanely well in high skill lobbies because it could steal from pump fake
Maybe u arent at that level where everyone pump fakes before passing @ebon mason
i havent played against a jackpot user yet in my matches so idk
did it not get patched?
No wonfer
Lmfao
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Pump fake passing is. Afeature
To make your passes unblockable
FIXES
Infinite pumpfaking should no longer be possible, gotta give your arms a rest.
Tatlis sends his apologies in the form of the TATLISBUGOOPS code!
That is not pump fake passing
Do u have a clip u can send
Your reading comprehension sucks man icl
fairs its 3am i mightve just not read properly
Mf go to sleep
I seriously hope they don't ruin this game by making it unbalanced
It's one of the best basketball games out rn
Just made a suggestion for it
This is the same reason the steal was broken
That sky leap buff was so game changing
It was but I’m talking about pumpfake passing being unblockable
It's still unblockable no?
Yeah
Thats the reason why the jackpot steal was already insane at a high level
Because everyone pumpfake passes
And since the steal goes thru pumpfake iframes, it completely shafted the entire mechanic
It instant now??? Holy
It kinda need? Imo before the buff the range is shorter than the normal steal range and if you dribble pass an ankle break guy. The ball will go to him 
Probably skill issues
Bro y'all overreacting smh. It not instant and it barely anything
I tested it and it still have a wind up
The range to activate it is still normal. I don't have a proper ps+ with a dummy but I tried in public and the range is still the same or a little bit more
The only big buff is the dribbling. Which is needed cuz you can steal the ball before you can even use the skill
If ya say just normal dribble then use the skill to close up the gap
If the guy got ankle broken by the normal dribble. And you use the skill, the ball will be passed to the guy who is flat on the floor 🙏
This might be top 3 entertaining threads
Fr
Jackpot arguments got me in a treat
were u the one who buffed it
the steal really didnt need a buff
the fact it could steal thru pumpfake and post form made it the best defending style in the game
even better than giant
and then with the lucky bounce buff now it has the best of both worlds
a dribbling ability arguably better than ace and a defensive ability thats better than giant's
I don't really think it is better than giant

They are quite close
its hard to say if one of them is dirtectly better because they serve different purposes tbh
but that fact that it steals from pumps and post form, as well as chases the ball even if u pass it out makes it insane defensively
if u are patient with it and wait for your opponent to waste his 3 dribbles u can ALMOST guarantee a turnover if you jump to block the pass (in case they dont pump fake) and if they pumpfake, you immediately use the steal move
people just make it look like its a terrible move because they use it when people are dribbling
which is the same reason it got buffed
Since when does jackpot chase the ball.
I flew to the player. Not the dang ball that flew
did u not know that
Usually I just flew pass by
as I said though, even without the retargetting u can almost guarantee a turnover on defenbse
go try what I said
People want a buff cuz the window to use it is quite small
Anyway the buff for the steal is uh
Small no?
The range buff is like nothing
the windup reduction is acc insane
The windup lessen by 0.2
that 0.2 is crazy
Lol
because adding on ping
and server delay
that 0.2 gets multiplied
on paper yeah 0.2 is nothing
That not really jackpot problem ain't it
but its A LOT in games where people dont have 0 ping

....?
Eh nvm continue
the devs have to base nerfs and buffs around how the game plays
not how it SHOULD play on paper
you can't really make a move that has a 0.4 second windup and expect people to react to it when the average ping of someone falls between 70-100 ms
even if the startup reduction was small in theory it plays completely differently in the game, because with added ping its super hard to react to the steal now
idek why we're arguing tbh the devs wont change it
it just is what it is, we will just have to wait for the next broken style to eventually replace jackpot
legit this move did not need a buff
everyone who advocated for a buff should be forced to scrim now
for a whole day
if ur talking about the steal it's legit still really easy to react to unless you got the brain of a turtle
and thats why I've been saying over and over that its not the way it should be used
if u wait for someone to dribble 3 times and then use it u will almost always get the ball

not really they pass almost immediately
then you jump and swat the ball
if they pump fake, you can insta use the steal move afterwards
and boom
u get the ball easily
besides, in almost every high lvl lobby people will pump fake pass because its unblockable
if they dont do it then its an easy swat
you can't choose wheather to use lucky stwla or jump block in that amount of time
Tbh you don't gotta react. Just dribble and pass automatically
There's less window for the user to steal
so just having the move p much disables the entire pumpfake mechanic
is that balanced
Tbh I don't even see anyone use it in my match so I can't talk about it
yeah that's why I keep on saying, whenever the lobby's skill level is higher, jackpot gets A LOT more value
it is probably one of the few styles that gets more value out of going against good players
An unblockable pass. And is there a limit you can stay in the iframe?
which is super useful when everyone is getting covered
and ur waiting for someone to get in position
what happens with jackpot? just having the lucky steal move basically disables that mechanic
not really because the pass can be intercepted
It even better if it from a random team
it forces people to play m2m coverage
Oh ic
If they tried to cover then doesn't that mean there will be less people covering the guy with iframe?
but pumpfaking gives u breathing room
no because its man 2 man
meaning everyone has 1 person they can cover
jackpot ruins it though since its absurdly good in 1v1s
Not when there's people disadvantage usually in randoms. You get like 3v3 or 4v2
💔
Besides just ban it in scrims thej
Then
ok but we're obviously talking about balanced teams
in scrims and such
I mean outside of scrims and tournament
the fact that just having the move blocks off one of the most powerful offensive moves in game is insane
yeah but the issue is that the game shouldnt be balanced around bad players
dunno
You can come with a agreement
jackpot would probably be perma banned if its a thing
So your saying just because it op in scrims and tournament
We should let it be bad in randoms?

You don't see people using pump fake in randoms
How u gonna use it
Your logic goes both ways
them not using a mechanic doesnt mean it doesnt exist
my argument doesnt go both ways
Yes but they don't use it didn't they?
its not like the mechanic is turned off in public lobbies
because they are BAD
And that means the move cannot be used?
they can use it if they wanted to
no it doesnt
which is my point
the move can be used they just choose not to
Then what do you use other than on a pump fake
I'm talking about the steal
If no one use pump fake cuz they suck
use it on giant's post form
Then doesn't that make the steal unusable
Dang
use it when you're behind someone who has the ball
Can't pleased both sides
and take it
The random and the scrims user
Just ban it bro
outside of scrims
they had bro
Da who
Lol
he wasnt actually in here
Giant pump fake and?
closing distance
using it from where they cant see u
And get ragdoll unable to defend? Good one
u cant just be in front of someone dribbling and use the move
😭 🙏
if a person is near the hoop and isnt being covered
chances are they are going to take the shot
Considering the type of game it is, It's not meant to be revolved around high-end people
Yea
it's said in the description and said multiple times
Bro you want a style to be nerf cuz it op against pro people M
I understand that but it also shouldnt get these types of buffs that break it in higher end lobbies
Scrim
there should be a mid point
Can't you just get a agreement and ban that style?
to where it gets a small buff
my main complaint is that 2 things got buffed about it
It not that hard
lucky bounce and lucky steal
Dude lucky bounce need that
You usually look to please the majority
I understand lucky bounces range was really short
You can get ball stolen before you use it
Ye and you think it fine?
Omg
like ALOT
onviosuly, at the end of the day u are looking for profit
have yall ever thought of pro lobbies changing the values on certain moves
Y’all are tripping leave steal as is and make lucky bounce able to use without an opponent in front of you
if they ever get added
If you don't please. The player leaves
the profit point I wasn't really leaning for but
It that simple
okay
well thats what games are for
which is why theres a spin system
and rarities
if the mythic styles are better then you will get more people trying to spin for them
So the skill range is very short. Shorter than normal steal and you think it shouldn't be buff?
no I already understood what u were saying
the game is made for kids so u want styles to be braindead
I am saying thats fine
its attractive for things to be braindead since people just want free baskets
Sir everything is simply
what I am saying is yall should think about adding pro lobbies with diff balancing
Simple*
at the end of the day it was explicity said that the game is meant for scoring to be insanely easy
Ok ye sure that would be great
everythings meant to be insanely easy
It basically end our debate
so high-end people isn't a consideration in games like these
obviously, theres no shooting bar or shots being contested
just point click
I still suck 🔥 tho
check yoself out twin
Now for me though personally
I prefer high-end sport games more
I actually no lifed them
it would just be nice if one style didnt overshadow the rest
so this type of game isn't my thing
for sure
Ain't that hard to do
Like pretty hard actually
realistically before this update this game was pretty balanced @hoary trout
the one style I think overshadowed the rest
was flash
Kids are always looking for something better, not something thats worse than the last
thanks
So the steal that make pump fake useless that no one uses in randoms. Make the balancing trash now
💔
Just ban that style in scrim
It ez
flash is insane
I mean shoot lots of people complain how braindead BLR can be but u can see from the results itself
thats just what people like
Surely that possible
It just 2 clan fighting for a reward if it offical
they are making bank
but if u dont have NEL isagi or kaiser
dont even play the game
I dont blame them either but i prefer more high-end games
i like doing alot of
strategy stat complexed type of games
so i cant really play this game that much if im being overpowered by a giant charge
the day giant got added was the day the downfall started
ace was well made because its a noob stomper
then giant got a 5 second ragdoll
loool
thats just what people love tho
yeah I get that
go in the game, spend money on something thats a mythical, you'd expect it to be op
I mean shoot man
it is wat it is
at the end of the day, the game is made to make money
if the mythic styles werent better people wouldnt spin for them
I guess but thats what happens when everys tyle is slightly better than the one before
thats how you get powercreep
true
BLR was decently balanced the first few weeks, maybe even months of release
and now look at the state of the game
and Icel I'd say what im saying is ironic too, cause when it comes to games like these
I usually wanna spend money on something op
dog people and call it a day
obviously
I've spent money trying to spin jackpot as well
I'm chilling with giant though
power creeping is one helluva manuever...
thats what people have adapted too
did u ever play rogue lineage
cuz they had a decent system

some rarer than others but it didnt necessarily mean they were straight up better
they had different advantages which I liked, until eventually they released a broken rare race
oh, yeah I liked the perma-death games like those
they had specific pros and cons
that could only reach its full potential
yeah exactly
I think thats the way to handle a race spinning system
I mea lets face it they're meant as cash grabs
if i can progress p good in the game without having to rely on money, I'd say im oddly satisfied
having rare stuff that is way better than the common stuff is an easy way to get people to spin for them
I think deepwoken did it really well if u played that
I played it for like the first 3 months, took a break
came back months later and realize im not built for ts
yeah same
peope discovered too many techs and stuff
wasnt fun anymore, just sweating every time u had to fight someone
too many techs, too many cards, too many builds
when u miss that much and u cant keep up cause you have life things to do
its so demotivating
😭 🙏
on god
minmaxing builds was also made way too easy
so you'd see clone troopers running almost the same exact build everywhere
them meta builds man
shrine of order minmaxing ☠️
leandre yappin
opposite for voxlblade
why are we talking about deep in a suggestion about jackpot😂✌️
frl
we talking bt a mid game
in a peak suggestion
repost cuz its real
Its way better but still easy to counter the windup so now nobody can complain and everyone wins
Nope it not
Your blind 💔
The range is still not that much from pre buff
I tell you why. The range to activate the dribble skill is shorter than a normal steal
Which is bad for a mythical
People don't even do that in public 💔 probably only pro which is scrims. Ig just ban that style?
Don't ban jackpot, I love gambling 🥀
Gib is just straight hating now
Steal is not instant. His overreacting
The dribble need that buff badly
The iframe one
Tbh I can't defend that but at the same time I don't think that the reason they should not buff jackpot
Just remove that iframe steal or ban jackpot in pro plays
Cuz barely anyone use it in lobby
Idc if they are bad that why they don't use it
It not a reason to nerf smth just because it a counter to smth that pros does
I don't play scrims and only play randoms
I don't even have a chance to use it

Only when I'm lucky about finding that window or they forget how to dribble
And once again it is not instant
I thought this was resolved😭
Nope
People overreacting about the jackpot buff
Jackpot need to be nerfff
It so op 💔
frr
It’s not even instant dude😭
Fr
Ikr
I checked the older msgs idk what ppl r talking about
And they act like the dribble moves are fine before buff
That false breh
The range is shorter than normal steal
😭
You have to be in a kissing distance to use it
Why r ppl acting like jackpot is comparable to nel in blr😭
😭
A jackpot user can’t steamroll your team in 2 seconds 😭
I can’t tell if mythic styles are hella broken or ppl just like complaining
Lol
He can if he use ult and win jackpot
I scored 4 times
Looking at the msgs ppl are acting like base jackpot can 1v5 easily
That might be a stretch but yea
I know there’s a visible difference but I don’t feel like I’m a god playing jackpot😭
Lol
The steal is still hard to land aside from post form iframe and pump fake
Ikr it so unbelievable
😭
Jeez I thought it was actually broken but nope
These overreacting people got me hype only to meet the cold truth
I have to wait until my opponent uses their dribbles or else I’ll get a concussion from hitting a wall
Cuz you slide so far if you get ankle broken
Ye and after they dribble. What do they do? Shoot or pass
😭
They ain't gonna do pump fake
Ppl in pubs never pump fake
Ye fr
So I can never use the steal 😔
Hey ig go join scrims 💀
I mean it op right? Only in scrims tho
It should not be buff
Let the causal suffer with a unusable steal
Idc about em
Only scrims
They nub
Fair enough
Stupid people I swear
Why is thread still alive tho
Idk
It served its purpose already
Idk why this was made
This game will probably add a better style than jackpot so complaining won’t do anything
Lol
Next kunigami incident 
Alr I’m gonna go to school I’ll check on this thread when I get home
pro plays exist ?
where can i find em if they do
constantly adding more braindead styles so the current braindead styles dont seem braindead is NOT the way to solve things
if they're playing against the steal not pump passing just block the pass, and if you time the moves correctly you can use it on anything, easiest would be quickstep on flash but yeah you can do it to aces too
Fair enough😔
Just scrims 💔
bruuuuhh
They might add pro lobby's soon
sure as hell hope so
and it better have lvl requirements
W the ones who wanted a steal buff got what they want

the move is bad tbh but buffing it would break the balance
And did the buff break the balance? It didn't really
cuz its still trash
😂
Lol
Lol
Horrible take
Alr buffed reach patch bro