Please buff the steal of jackpot

[delicate herald]

because jackpot should just do everything better than their original styles !!!

[keen hare]

they did buff giant

[delicate herald]

ong yall are cooking!!

[keen hare]

so idk

[tardy sequoia]

It’s top 2

???

[slate reef]

ok so no one can answer this

[civic sun]

i didnt say it was bad

[slate reef]

how does 15-20% make it super op?

[tardy sequoia]

we’re asking for a move that’s not horrible

[lofty sedge]

he tryna give jackpot a frame 1 steal move and giant's snatch block

🙏

[civic sun]

im saying ppl wouldnt call ace a bad style now would they

[slate reef]

jules said people would complain until its frame 1

[civic sun]

so why u tryna undermine jackpot?

[lofty sedge]

the spectrum of styles

[tardy sequoia]

that’s actually able to be landed

[slate reef]

so thats not a real argument

[civic sun]

maybe u havent played it enough

[tardy sequoia]

The dash is horrible

[keen hare]

20% less windup isnt gonna be f1 btw

[tardy sequoia]

???????

[civic sun]

or learnt counters to it

[keen hare]

is this ragebait

[slate reef]

but still no one is answering the question

how does 15-20% windup

[faint flicker]

The jackpot steal is bad with that long windup, it's unbearable to use jackpot steal

[slate reef]

make it op

[delicate herald]

oh no 1/6 of your styles moves arnt broken whatever shall we do 😭

[lofty sedge]

i could react to it if it has 20% less windup

[civic sun]

cuz then

[keen hare]

u cant even answer the question

[lofty sedge]

not that hard to pay a ttention

[faint flicker]

The jackpot steal should either be reworked or replaced with new move

[keen hare]

its worse than a normal steal

[lofty crane]

bruh you mfs saying hes an all rounder hows he supposed to be an all rounder when his steal is bad compared to his other moves and in general

[tardy sequoia]

????

[lofty sedge]

instead of having your thoughts in the clouds?

[tardy sequoia]

the move is horrible

[slate reef]

how does 15-20% make it op

[tardy sequoia]

You gotta use a bad move

[slate reef]

how does 15-20% make it op

[tardy sequoia]

To get a good move

[delicate herald]

might as well make it tp gurenteed anti-anklebreak too am i right hahaha

[civic sun]

cuz its not a direct answer and neither is balancing u think balancing is a one stop quick fix typa thing?

[slate reef]

i need a genuine answer

[keen hare]

good? atleast some people cant its not all abt u

[twilit estuary]

nerf*?

[slate reef]

to this

[tardy sequoia]

Which

[lofty sedge]

talkin bout how 20% wont make a difference bro

[tardy sequoia]

Won’t happen

[faint flicker]

Idk, to get a move you need to land an unbearable unuseable move that everyone can dribble

[tardy sequoia]

cuz you’re unable to land it

[slate reef]

any thing is a difference

simply just not true

[civic sun]

balancing is built so if u touch something to buff it

[keen hare]

we went to quick stop typa thing im saying if they gonna balance things balance this out too

[slate reef]

its the better solution then 80% right?

[lofty sedge]

so we tryna make it unreactable to some people 😂 oh nah.

[civic sun]

u have to either do it for a move really underpar to its predecessors or make soemthing else weaker

[slate reef]

its a compromise

[lofty crane]

yeah also three moves are locked behind a trash move

[slate reef]

it makes it better

but doesnt make it op

like

[civic sun]

and jackpot has neither

[delicate herald]

Chrollo put this thread down and ban the OP 🙏

[wanton roost]

the purpose is to gap close, normally defend and pressure them for the first 3 (4 with street dribbler) dribbles and then if they used a style to get away, like flash or ace THEN use jackpot steal, dont use it with the intent to actually steal the ball if they have remaining dribbles

[slate reef]

is this impossible for people like you lard eaters

[civic sun]

jackpot has the best frame 1 tp drive

[faint flicker]

Yep

[lofty crane]

so how can it be an all rounder when it cant even obtain its moves

[lofty sedge]

rs

[slate reef]

to understnad

[civic sun]

and a solid steal

idk what else ur asking for

[slate reef]

CAN PEOPLE TELL ME HOW

how does 15-20% make it op

[civic sun]

in a class made

[slate reef]

LIKE PLEASE

[keen hare]

worse than a normal steal

[civic sun]

for all rounder

[keen hare]

YEAH

GO AHEAD

[slate reef]

IM SO CONFUSED HOW NO ONE CAN GIVE ME

[keen hare]

HE GOT A SOLID STEAL

[lofty sedge]

bc all 3 moves are kinda busted bro?

[slate reef]

A GENUINE ANSWER

[civic sun]

i dont remember

[tardy sequoia]

STOP LYINGGGGG

[civic sun]

normal steal

being frame 1

[wanton roost]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[slate reef]

BUT HAS ALL THIS TIME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW OP

IT WOULD BE

[civic sun]

and having that kinda range

but sure

[lofty crane]

then nerf the three moves and make us atleast obtain them

[slate reef]

a gap closer that ankle breaks?

[keen hare]

frame 1

💀

[civic sun]

u want allat

[delicate herald]

i NEED whatever they're smoking cause that shi hittin them for sure defending ts for that long

[civic sun]

• no windup

[slate reef]

that doesnt even make sense

[civic sun]

to make it unreactable

like no

[slate reef]

how does 15-20% make it op

please

[civic sun]

its gonna turn into

[slate reef]

just tell me

[faint flicker]

It can't be a solid steal when it has 2 seconds windup, you either bait 3 dribbles and try to use it (which will lead to you not getting the ball since the player will just pass the ball) or just try your luck and randomly mash jackpot steal

[keen hare]

36-17

[slate reef]

LIKE NO ONE SAID

[wanton roost]

not if they used their dribbles, like i said in the message

[keen hare]

keep

[slate reef]

MAPE IT OP

[civic sun]

that body block move from kunigami in blr

[fluid monolith]

Yalll should bump my idea

[tardy sequoia]

????

[slate reef]

if they use their dribbles they pass

[tardy sequoia]

20-30%

[lofty crane]

everyone saying its good you need to get jackpot yourself to see

[delicate herald]

because the style is already op 😱 op+buff = OP 🤣

[tardy sequoia]

ru blind

[civic sun]

and thats no fun and as u know js compeltely unfair

[fluid monolith]

#1357841065557758083 BUMP IT

[keen hare]

giant already has it so whats ur point

[slate reef]

if they have people on them they ankle break

[lofty sedge]

i have jackpot bro

[lofty crane]

how are you landing any steals 😂

[slate reef]

but the other people who think its op say that it wont make a difference

so

[civic sun]

yea and giant is made for post its his thing and hes a hyper offensive style

[delicate herald]

1k replies 💔

[slate reef]

thats something

[keen hare]

u not landing any steals lol

[lofty sedge]

bc im decently smart? shocker ik

[wanton roost]

or they use style to make the gap bigger and get past you, the purpose of the ability isnt to steal its more to neutralize those abilities

[civic sun]

no reason a all rounder needs that kinda stealing capability

[lofty crane]

so how do u land iot

[tardy sequoia]

That’s a defensive move

[civic sun]

now if they made a stealer only mythic style

[tardy sequoia]

on an offensive style

[slate reef]

or are you playing against bad players

[civic sun]

go ahead i wouldnt argue

[charred phoenix]

ngl i get the awakening of jackpot is good but u get an awakening every like 2-3 games and even then you have a chance of losing the gamble and nerfing yourself. Jackpot feels mediocre without awakening. His bounce dribble needs someone in front so its hard to get space if the enemy team has numbers advantage, and his steal is just a worse base steal. Other then that no off ball abilities. Its a mythic that relies entirely on a function you get once every 2 matches that has a chance to fail on top of that

[civic sun]

id say give it less windup

[slate reef]

i would genuinely love to see you try to land a steal on me

ngl

[civic sun]

but jackpot rn js doesnt need it

[lofty crane]

if they dribble u cant and when theyre outta dribbles they just pass wow

[tardy sequoia]

SO WHY DOES CLUTCH HAVE A F1 STEAL???

[lofty sedge]

just use it after they used all their dribbles?

[civic sun]

so i dont see the point of this arguement of buffing jackpot

[dawn tartan]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357854700438818997 trusttttt

[slate reef]

and they pass

[keen hare]

wow giant can block and dash and shoot but jackpot cant do shoot and steal like what

[lofty sedge]

or when they are pumpfaking their pass

[civic sun]

do u know what frame 1 is?

[slate reef]

or they just jump in the air with the pumpfake

and its negated

[tardy sequoia]

It’s intractable

[slate reef]

so..

[lofty sedge]

giant can deal with that

[tardy sequoia]

literally

[lofty sedge]

😭

[keen hare]

they all think we talking only 1s

[tardy sequoia]

if they’re close to you

[keen hare]

???

[civic sun]

he cant shoot his only shots are under rim

[lofty crane]

???

[tardy sequoia]

not your ball

[faint flicker]

If they see you windup your steal they will just pass the ball, that what happened most of the time

[civic sun]

jackpot with his frame 1 drive

[slate reef]

so now were using other styles to justify one style

[wanton roost]

literally exactly what i said, idk how people dont have the comprehension skills to understand this type of thing

[slate reef]

the all rounder style

[civic sun]

can tp and score 3s

[keen hare]

HIS SHOTS R LITERALLY ALMOST 3 PT LINE??

[slate reef]

isnt good at all rounding

[civic sun]

giant doesnt have that capability

[slate reef]

thats a problem

[keen hare]

YE UR OPINION DONT MATTER

UNDER RIM?

BUT HE CAN SHOOT ALMOST FROM THE 3 PT LINE

[civic sun]

almost still doesnt mean its 3

[slate reef]

and giant isnt supposed to

[lofty sedge]

werent you talkin bout clutch

[slate reef]

even though giant can score free threes with charge

[keen hare]

U SAID UNDER RIM?

[civic sun]

giant is supposed to be hyper offensive too

[wanton roost]

walking ragebait

[faint flicker]

It only works in 1 v 1, players insta pass after 3 dribbles

[slate reef]

but thats another problem

[civic sun]

espcially under the rim

[slate reef]

entirely

[civic sun]

hes made to be score there

not shoot 3s

[tardy sequoia]

Yk you can score

[slate reef]

i dont think you understnad

[tardy sequoia]

from the 3 line

[keen hare]

not under the rim

[tardy sequoia]

Right

[keen hare]

he can shoot mids

[civic sun]

yea..

[keen hare]

so what r u tryna say

?

[civic sun]

but its not what his style promotes does it

[wanton roost]

if that was true literally nobody would ever score, people have styles specifically for making that gap bigger

[slate reef]

i said clutch steal is good as hell

[lofty crane]

comparing a style to another one is not the same as saying to use your teammate in the game???

[civic sun]

same reason why

[lofty sedge]

plus if you were playing comp no one is boutta play with a team full of jackpots

[civic sun]

sniper players tend for 3s more

[lofty sedge]

didnt yall compare it to clutch and how clutch's was better

[civic sun]

giant players tend for dunks and under rim opportunities

[slate reef]

im playing scrims most people ive seen wont even use jackpot in it

[dawn tartan]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357854700438818997 yes I’m going insane please help me

[lofty crane]

read what i said again

[civic sun]

a style kinda makes u play a certain way

[slate reef]

from what i seen on my team

[civic sun]

u dont see a ace player

[slate reef]

and the nml

so

..

[civic sun]

sitting back playing defensive dribbles

[faint flicker]

Man jackpot steal doesn't work like you see it working. Players do 3 dribbles and PASS, you never land it if player is not on some EGO trip

[keen hare]

and jackpots way is only having 1 move bc the steal isnt usable 💀

[civic sun]

he blitzes and does moving shots

[slate reef]

please join my ps

[wanton roost]

scrims in this game is crazy go get a hobby😭

[slate reef]

and just try to hit

[lofty sedge]

cool bro? id play jackpot more than giant and i have giant on my 1st slot

[slate reef]

more then 3 steals on me

[civic sun]

so jackpot being an all rounder

is kinda like

[slate reef]

and how does this

[lofty sedge]

i play the game for fun not tryna be an out right sweat bucket

[civic sun]

jack of trades master of none

[slate reef]

relate

[tardy sequoia]

Clutch is an all rounder bro

[slate reef]

to the argument

[quasi zodiac]

his steal is good I hate using it though

[civic sun]

except he has the best drive

[tardy sequoia]

It’s steal is way better

[civic sun]

f1

[slate reef]

and so now we divert the argment

[lofty crane]

how is his drive any different from others tho

[civic sun]

so jackpot is alr more than good enough

[slate reef]

to make ourselfs right

[keen hare]

bc hes fun yeah? but that aint making the steal better

[slate reef]

honestly

still

[lofty sedge]

so your whole team runs giant?

[slate reef]

no valid answer

[civic sun]

have u seen ace's drive compared to jackpots

[faint flicker]

Jack of trades that can't even use this part because he needs to land unuseable steal that everyone can dribble past

[slate reef]

1 giant

[hazy gazelle]

raw steal is the power move, gamble it all on the enemy not reading you

[slate reef]

2 phantom

[quasi zodiac]

genuinely it’s such a low odd of actually getting the steal off and then if you fail you get thrown across the map and there’s zero chance of recovery

[slate reef]

flash

[lofty crane]

youre saying all rounder then saying he has the best drive so his other moves dont matter

[slate reef]

nvm 2 giants

[civic sun]

not to mention jackpot stuns u for whatever reason

[keen hare]

yh 2 seconds of windup

lets gamble it out

rq

[slate reef]

and one star/ace

[lofty sedge]

😭 some doggy league rules

[keen hare]

lets see if he dribbles

[civic sun]

its not like his steal is bad

[tardy sequoia]

You never get that bro

[slate reef]

giant switches off

[lofty sedge]

star

[slate reef]

star for cheese

ngl

[lofty crane]

theres like a thousand messages in this saying its bad tho so idk

[civic sun]

im not biased to anyside

[lofty sedge]

cheese for what?

[wanton roost]

no they dont, if that was true there would be absolutely zero purpose to run flash, or giant, or ace, or literally anything with a gap maker

[keen hare]

U ARE

[civic sun]

im js looking at it from a devs point of view

[slate reef]

shoot across the map and just dash to it

[lofty sedge]

id rather use playmaker than star?

[slate reef]

free playmake

[civic sun]

if i wanted a strong

[slate reef]

or 3

[lofty crane]

and how are you ever supposed to use it genuinely tell me how this game works is you dribble three times and pass so

[slate reef]

or space

[civic sun]

mythic all rounder style

and ive given it a op frame 1 drive

that stuns

[tardy sequoia]

You really aren’t

[slate reef]

?

[civic sun]

why would also make a no windup f1 steal

kinda op no?

[slate reef]

wrong reply im assuming

[faint flicker]

They do pass, everyone passes the ball after 3 dribbles if they don't have a dribble move which won't let you use jackpot steal

[tardy sequoia]

Wrong reply

Mb mb

[slate reef]

ok

[keen hare]

were not saying no windup

[slate reef]

THE ORIGINAL

[civic sun]

u cant have everything in a style

[slate reef]

OP

RIGHT

PLEASE

SHUT UP

[keen hare]

reduce it to 20% or sm

[lofty crane]

well then they should nerf the first move and buff the second move tf

[civic sun]

?

[slate reef]

THE ORIGINAL OP

SAID

how does 15-20% make it op

[lofty crane]

isnt thats the purpose of an all rounder?????????????????

[slate reef]

or something like that

right

SO

[civic sun]

yea lol but they dont want that

[slate reef]

15-20%

[civic sun]

they want 2 ops

with no drawback

[slate reef]

IS WHAT

THE OP WANTED

and your ignoring it

[civic sun]

hikaru

[slate reef]

cool

[civic sun]

15-20%

[fluid monolith]

#1357841065557758083 BUMP TS AND I WILL GIVE YOU HEAD

[tardy sequoia]

20% makes it op????

[civic sun]

but in exchange ur steal

[tardy sequoia]

what bro

[hazy gazelle]

ur pfp looks like yi has a crazy cowlick

[civic sun]

isnt frame 1

[faint flicker]

I think jydn is clearly ragebaiting

[tardy sequoia]

Ru even reading

[civic sun]

neither is ur drive

[slate reef]

now i cant unsee it

please

[sonic tapir]

@keen hare if your boosted just say that

[slate reef]

load it

[wanton roost]

ur treating the game like everyone has a perfect mind and no one makes mistakes, also if they pass instantly after 3 dribbles just swat it out the air i

[keen hare]

so we mad him even more booty

?

[terse flame]

#1357865009216225350 bump it

[civic sun]

lol i mean hey

u cant have

[keen hare]

dttm i clap u in aba and this too

[civic sun]

both in a style

[lofty crane]

jus rework the whole style cuz its kinda cooked three op moves are locked behind an impossible wall

[slate reef]

so the 2 second windup

[crimson trail]

Not a lot of styles in the game for them to take away epics tbh

[civic sun]

u excel in one

[slate reef]

goes to a 1.6 second windup

HOW

[sonic tapir]

On everything you dont want it in aba

[civic sun]

u do great in 2

[slate reef]

is that op

[civic sun]

u do good in 3

[slate reef]

HOW IS 2 SECONDS TO 1.6 OP

PLEASE

[civic sun]

or mediocre in 3

[slate reef]

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS

LIKE

ANCIENT CONCEPT TO ME

[wanton roost]

quiet guys, the real men are talking 😧 gulp

[civic sun]

cuz its frame 1

[keen hare]

yet giant has defense + a dribble sorta+ shoot

[civic sun]

and has way better rnage

[keen hare]

i do

id clap you

[slate reef]

its not frame one

frame one refers to the startup

[sonic tapir]

dms

[civic sun]

..

[slate reef]

?

are you ok>
?

[faint flicker]

You do fake shot then pass, it works, trust me. I played a lot of matches and everyone passes the ball, you need to be a newbie to think that basketball game is not a team game

[slate reef]

do you even know what frame one

means

[civic sun]

windup

[slate reef]

frame one means the windup is one frame

[civic sun]

is the move chargeup

frame 1

[keen hare]

what server r u u wanna run on 200

[civic sun]

is the action

in how a fast is executed

[slate reef]

the dash of the move

[crimson trail]

Jackpot steal is so bad 💔 rlly makes him feel like a legendary and the cooldown seems long

[slate reef]

is not 1 frame either

so

double wrong

[keen hare]

yh

[civic sun]

the windup is the buildup it takes to come out

[keen hare]

but these ppl

[slate reef]

?

[alpine marlin]

Hey man they should add Kaiser totally

[civic sun]

frame 1

[keen hare]

dont got jackpots

[sonic tapir]

west/east/central

[civic sun]

is how fast the move is played once it comes out

[slate reef]

windup can be frame 1

[keen hare]

im asia so js run it on my priv

[civic sun]

frame 1 in this case means instantenous

[slate reef]

if the distance of the dash

[civic sun]

or very fast

[slate reef]

is frame one

means its an instant pass

[crimson trail]

Honestly shouldn’t even have a windup

[slate reef]

not pass

[civic sun]

so it takes a while to come out

[slate reef]

instant tp to a person

[wanton roost]

i never said it wasnt a team game, im just saying if nobody ever went a offensive style and it really was everyone doing 3 dribbles and passing the only styles u would ever see are phantom and giant

[civic sun]

but when it does it instantly does

[slate reef]

honestly your dum,b

[civic sun]

and with good range

[slate reef]

what are you on about

[civic sun]

i dont see a problem with it

[slate reef]

2 seconds

to 1.6

[civic sun]

considering ur other move is op

[slate reef]

how is it op

2 seconds

to 1,6

[crimson trail]

Aren’t we talking about the steal…

[slate reef]

how does that

make it op

[keen hare]

do yk how long

is 2 seconds

[slate reef]

the steal doesnt need to be frame 1

[civic sun]

yea i do

[faint flicker]

It doesn't require you to have an offensive style to do 3 dribbles and pass like if you used all your offensive skills why you won't pass? It's literally logic to pass the ball to score if you don't have auto score moves on guh dam

[civic sun]

im a dev

[slate reef]

so how DOES

2 seconds

to 1.6

[crimson trail]

I’m agreeing with that it’s bad ouch my feelings

[slate reef]

make it op

[keen hare]

wow

so

[slate reef]

im trying to figure that out

[keen hare]

buffin the steal js a lil bit

[civic sun]

cuz ur cutting 25% of the time

[keen hare]

makes it

[civic sun]

of a move

[keen hare]

op

[civic sun]

for no reason

[slate reef]

20 percent

[tardy sequoia]

He said 1.6 seconds ru blind bro

[slate reef]

for a good

reaosn

[civic sun]

when it has very good other traits

[slate reef]

that no one with a brain

can get hit by it

so if someone with a brain

[keen hare]

1.6 seconds still seems reactable dont u think?

[slate reef]

slips up

[civic sun]

ud be surprised

[slate reef]

now it can hit

[hazy gazelle]

lowkey don't even use it as a steal, if you use it after a fake shot it'll steal it still, i use it as insurance on a jump

[civic sun]

jackpot steal is uniquefor what it is

[slate reef]

alright so 1.6 seconds

[civic sun]

🤷‍♀️

[slate reef]

lets think about this

rq

[faint flicker]

I mean I saw a bacon newbie with 2k ping and uh someone landed a jackpot steal on him!!

[slate reef]

average reaction time

is 200 ms

[tardy sequoia]

It’s horrible tho

[slate reef]

right

so

[civic sun]

average reaction time is 1 second

keep it simple

[slate reef]

no it isnt

what

??

what

[civic sun]

no

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864552058065088

[slate reef]

thats just wrong

[civic sun]

i mean in general

for like noobs and stuff

[slate reef]

no

[tardy sequoia]

Way less tf

[slate reef]

the average human

[molten jolt]

Or just add this https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357866660383424635

[hazy gazelle]

maybe if half your brain is missing dawg

[slate reef]

is 200 ms

what

this has nothing to do with the player

just the average human

[lofty sedge]

specially made a tutorial on how to use it for you guys

[civic sun]

it does

[slate reef]

?

[keen hare]

so the 1 second ones are coocoo

[civic sun]

lol diff players have diferent

reaction times

[wanton roost]

yeah no duh u dont need an offensive style to do 3 dribbles thats not what i said sherlock

[civic sun]

im saying 1 to keep it a simple number

[tardy sequoia]

they didn’t pass

[civic sun]

js work a hypothetical

[tardy sequoia]

that’s the only way it’s landable

[civic sun]

say 1 second

and the windup say 2 second

[slate reef]

decided to dribble up instead pass it to the tm that had no pressure on him

[visual skiff]

Yall tryna get an auto dash steal😂😂😂

[molten jolt]

Just add this instead https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357866660383424635

[slate reef]

bad player

[civic sun]

u have a 1 second duration

[faint flicker]

Doesn't work since that person is on EGO trip, he could just press m2 and boom

[civic sun]

to react/dribble or use a move

[slate reef]

a 20% windup reduction

btw

[civic sun]

to counter

a move that comes out f1

and has good range

now obviously this move

[keen hare]

u were complaining abt the range but look at the range aint even that long lool

[golden pawn]

wanna be my e kitten?

pls

[civic sun]

wouldnt be op on a pro or experienced player

[faint flicker]

So it still doesn't make jackpot steal look good

[golden pawn]

uwu

?

?

[civic sun]

but then again

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357866660383424635 just give him a shooting move

[tardy sequoia]

That’s not f1

[visual skiff]

Wind up could be quicker, but deff shouldnt be auto steal

[golden pawn]

wanna be my e kitten?
pls
uwu

[tardy sequoia]

are you actually blind

[civic sun]

every pro can counter op styles lol

[slate reef]

thats

[wanton roost]

it doesnt need to be good

[slate reef]

what were saying

[slate reef]

ok so

[lofty sedge]

i mean its supposed to be a steal

[civic sun]

even ace and giant can be bad when facing

[slate reef]

the move isnt frame one

[civic sun]

certain players

[slate reef]

it doesnt tp to the opponet

doesnt start instantly moving

[tardy sequoia]

you aren’t gonna land it

[slate reef]

so

[tardy sequoia]

Tho

[civic sun]

why tf u want it

to tp tho

[slate reef]

what are you tlaking about

i dont

[civic sun]

??

[slate reef]

want to

i never said that

[faint flicker]

It should be at least bearable to use, jackpot steal is not usable at all and also your jack of trades part is locked behind that bad made move

[keen hare]

thats what were saying

[slate reef]

I WANT

[keen hare]

?

[slate reef]

THE INITAL

WINDUP

OF THE MOVE

TO BE

[golden pawn]

be my e kitten please

[civic sun]

is 2

[slate reef]

REDUCED.

[civic sun]

seconds

which for the style as a whole

[tardy sequoia]

2 seconds is long as hell

[civic sun]

shouldnt be

[tardy sequoia]

?????

[slate reef]

oh my god

[civic sun]

lowered

[slate reef]

why is this

so hard to comprehend

the fact that the inital windup

OF A MOVE

is that long

[keen hare]

2 to 1.6 is op?

tell me

[slate reef]

for a steal

isnt good

to balance it

compromise if you will

[echo urchin]

1000 messages for 1 move is wild

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864973501599927

[slate reef]

you loser it by 20%

not a major change

but enough to do something

[golden pawn]

its not that deep

[wanton roost]

the steal is fine, the rest of the kit is very strong ur asking for a top 3 style to be stronger like ik u dont know game design but ur not the only person being considered if u cant manage to use the steal

[slate reef]

i know it isnt

[lofty sedge]

bro was pump fake passing it?

whats the problem

[faint flicker]

Steal is not fine 💀

[slate reef]

no one was closse enough to intercept a pass to the side

[visual skiff]

idk then im conflicted all the other moves are cracked

[slate reef]

why would he pumpfake

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864973501599927

[keen hare]

steal is not fine bro 2 seconds??

[wanton roost]

ok, not gonna spend more of my time arguing with someone stupid not accepting they r wrong. we agree to disagree. thats all

[slate reef]

again

bad player

[civic sun]

again

even good players

counter

op styles

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864973501599927

[keen hare]

Yeah but the steal takes 2 seconds?

[lofty sedge]

i was guarding him and i couldve blocked it if he did pass bc he ran out of dribbles

[faint flicker]

I mean you look stupid in my perspective too

[keen hare]

when is that gon be useful

[slate reef]

before jackpot ult no style was inheritly op

giant was the only

arguement

[molten jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864973501599927

[lofty sedge]

plus you cant intercept two players if they are close together while pump fake passing

[slate reef]

or you know what

instead of dribbling at all

he instant passed

woah

[civic sun]

i agree

[slate reef]

crazy right

or evem crazier

he holds s

and passes

[keen hare]

ts is not needed but the steal js buff it by a lil bro

[slate reef]

so theres less of an oppurtinity

to blcok it

woahhhhh

[lofty sedge]

people got a knack of dribbling first and its not hard to catch on to how much times they dribble before passing

[slate reef]

again

so

bad player

[molten jolt]

It’s 15 seconds and u get to use one move how great of a awk

[slate reef]

bad decision making

15-20%

doesnt make it op

[keen hare]

+ur forgetting jackpot literally free points just keep stealing

[slate reef]

prevents it from being useless against people with ounces

of decision making

[lofty sedge]

this the amount of time you get to react bro

[slate reef]

kissing him range

atp you can just say you could steal

[keen hare]

when he dribbles

[lofty sedge]

why wouldnt i

is it hard enough to stick onto people while defending

[lofty sedge]

he used all his dribbles up

[civic sun]

wow

[keen hare]

I mean when he dribbles

[civic sun]

ok yea

[slate reef]

before he used his dribbles

that means

[civic sun]

this MOVE

DOES NOT

[slate reef]

he had more then enough to

[civic sun]

NEED A BUFF

[slate reef]

pass

[slate reef]

ranged its buns

close its just a glorified steal

[lofty sedge]

?

[civic sun]

i think

[lofty sedge]

so we switchin now

just stick to him then

[civic sun]

u havent playin

[lofty sedge]

th

[slate reef]

how is this a switch

[civic sun]

or playing with

or against jackpot

[slate reef]

i have jackpot

[civic sun]

hikaru

[slate reef]

playing with it

[civic sun]

are we watching

the same video

[lofty sedge]

you just said how you couldnt steal anything at all with it

and now you said you can steal it if your close enough

[civic sun]

anyone with a brain

can tell this move is good enough

[slate reef]

are we not watching the part he decided to dribble 3 times instead of passing

[civic sun]

ESPCIALLY FOR THAT RANGE

[slate reef]

and pumpfake

[lofty sedge]

?

do i gotta clarify

he did pumpfake before he passed

[civic sun]

if u dash straight

[slate reef]

did you even

read

[civic sun]

ahead

[slate reef]

what i said

???

[civic sun]

instead of to the left

that dash

[slate reef]

HE DECIDED

TO PUMPFAKE

[civic sun]

would cover

[slate reef]

INSTEAD OF INSTANT PASS

AND BAKCING UP

[civic sun]

the 3 point line to the middle

[slate reef]

TO THE OPEN GUY

[molten jolt]

Jackpot is by far the worst mythical just give him a good awk and a better steal

[civic sun]

half court

[slate reef]

ON HIS RIGHT/LEFT

[civic sun]

that is insane range

for a steal move

[lofty sedge]

why would he back up

[keen hare]

PPL KEEP GLAZIN HIM

[civic sun]

hikaru

[lofty sedge]

dam imagine if you could think this much in a real game

[keen hare]

😭

[fervent gale]

Why are we arguing 💔

[lofty sedge]

you might be einstein or smth

[civic sun]

please watch the video again

[slate reef]

extra space possible time for his slow ahh to react

[lofty sedge]

lookin at all these diff possibilities he couldve done

[slate reef]

options he had

save his dribbles

instant pass

now tell me

[lofty sedge]

ye thats the option he chose

[slate reef]

so

[lofty sedge]

he cant choose the best option on the spot

[molten jolt]

Steal is this post and awk is this one https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357864973501599927

[slate reef]

a bad player

[tardy sequoia]

Moves unusable

[slate reef]

for instantly wasting all his dribbles

[lofty sedge]

why you using it so far

😭

[tardy sequoia]

cuz if I use it close

[slate reef]

whats the point of the range steal

[tardy sequoia]

And my opponent has eyes

[slate reef]

if you cant use it

at a range

right

like

[lofty sedge]

do people dont know how to stick

[tardy sequoia]

It’s gonna be dribbled

[slate reef]

this cant be real

[tardy sequoia]

Immediately

[dawn tartan]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1357854700438818997 yes

[slate reef]

and he isnt even the one supposed to be marking him

clearly from the clip

[civic sun]

u guys are stretching the 2

seconds

alot

[slate reef]

hes not the one who should be marking him

[civic sun]

watching te video

the move comes out in a second

cuz the video itself is 1 second long

[tardy sequoia]

1 second

[lofty sedge]

so thats his teams fault?

[tardy sequoia]

the hftf move

[civic sun]

u wanted 2 -----> 1.5

[tardy sequoia]

Is the same length

[lofty sedge]

you cant blame a game loss just bc of 1 move that is mid to you

[civic sun]

when the move

is already 1

[keen hare]

+even a helper said the steal is doggie lol

[civic sun]

so by ur logic

u want it to be 0.5?

[tardy sequoia]

and it’s considered the worst move

[civic sun]

1 ---------> 0.5?

[tardy sequoia]

In the entire game

[keen hare]

😭

[civic sun]

u guys arent thinking straight

[slate reef]

thats a stretch

[civic sun]

no im using the same time allotment

[slate reef]

ok

please tell me

how the glorified steal

[lofty sedge]

they want to reduce it from 2 sec to 1.6 sec

[tardy sequoia]

1 -> .6

[slate reef]

that has ranger

but cant usse it at a range

[civic sun]

2 --------> 1.6 is the same as
1 ------------> 0.6

[slate reef]

because its useless

[civic sun]

am i wrong?

[slate reef]

so whats the point

of the range

atp

right

right

[tardy sequoia]

yes

[civic sun]

cuz 1. the move isnt even 2 seconds long.

[lofty sedge]

1-> 0.8

[civic sun]

so u guys lied

[lofty sedge]

they want it reduced it down to 20%

[civic sun]

crazy

[lofty sedge]

less wind up

[civic sun]

cuz these ppl wanted it 2 to 1.6

when the move itself is already way better than 1.6

its 1 second already like 😭

[tardy sequoia]

one second

[civic sun]

ppl are crazy if they want it

[tardy sequoia]

is super reachable

[civic sun]

to be 0.5 or 0.6

[slate reef]

ok i stretched the 2 second thing because i initally mad about it

[tardy sequoia]

have we ever played the game

[slate reef]

right

[civic sun]

so yes

[slate reef]

but still

[civic sun]

the move

is fine

[tardy sequoia]

???

[slate reef]

so if its 1 second

[civic sun]

anything lower than

[slate reef]

1 second

right

[tardy sequoia]

you’re realistically never landing it

[civic sun]

0.9

[slate reef]

200 ms

[civic sun]

would be outrageous

[tardy sequoia]

Unless the opponent is blind

[slate reef]

5 times to react to ts

[civic sun]

i dont get it

u guys already got what u wanted

u wnated 2 --------> 1.6

[dawn tartan]

Chat can anyone give me feedback to an idea I came up with

[civic sun]

and its already at 1

[slate reef]

no

[civic sun]

u want it to be lower than 0.9

is dragging it too much

[tardy sequoia]

.8????

[civic sun]

so i say its perfectly fine where it is

[tardy sequoia]

4 chances to react

[dawn tartan]

Dang bru

[civic sun]

chris

this is a player landing it

and u missed urs

thats a player issue

not the move

[tardy sequoia]

the tm ain’t even trying to pass

[civic sun]

its the same move

[tardy sequoia]

that’s an opponent issue

[civic sun]

hes using and ur using

exactly

[tardy sequoia]

the opponent is blind

[civic sun]

so dont ask for buff/nerf of the style itself or move

[tardy sequoia]

my opponent has working braincells

[civic sun]

if its player fault

[edgy stream]

these typa suggestions are why the devs dont take the community seriously

[civic sun]

thats player factor

it has nothing to do with

[slate reef]

and this is the full clip of that players poor decision making

[civic sun]

the move or style 😭

[tardy sequoia]

Ofc It’s not gonna land

[keen hare]

u must not have jackpot too

sad 💔

[slate reef]

decided to walk up

three dribbles

[civic sun]

looks fine to me

[slate reef]

shorten space between himself and the other guy

[civic sun]

whichever player use it in that video

[slate reef]

instead of passing to the other one

[civic sun]

used it right

[slate reef]

?

[civic sun]

he waited for dribbles to end

[slate reef]

why in that situation

[tardy sequoia]

The opponent

[civic sun]

used it to create space

[slate reef]

would you want to solo dribble

[tardy sequoia]

has 0 braincells

[civic sun]

and scored

but thats the opponents

fault

not the move

[slate reef]

exactly

so the move

as i said earlier

[tardy sequoia]

As you see here my opponent actually have brains and functioning eyes

[civic sun]

were not taking into account player

[slate reef]

onyl works on lard eaters

[edgy stream]

@keen hare rq, how do u suggest buffing it

[civic sun]

interaction

for how the move functions

[slate reef]

15-20%

[worn stratus]

anyway..

[slate reef]

is what we said

[civic sun]

a noob could completely ruin

[tardy sequoia]

15-20% reduction

[edgy stream]

15 20% what

[civic sun]

ace

[keen hare]

reduce the windup???

[worn stratus]

the way to fix steal

[edgy stream]

startup reduction?

[worn stratus]

is to give it more range

[civic sun]

but it doesnt mean the style

[worn stratus]

btw

[tardy sequoia]

Startup

[civic sun]

ace is bad

[edgy stream]

so u want it to be unreactable

thats what ur getting at

[worn stratus]

literally just give it more range

[civic sun]

exactly

[slate reef]

so reactable

[civic sun]

its RANGE IS CRAZY alr tho

[keen hare]

apparently 20% is unreactable now

[tardy sequoia]

r yall blind

[slate reef]

the full move at close range

[keen hare]

lol

LOOL

[worn stratus]

the entire reason it sucks is because u are in the range where everyone automatically dribbles on auto pilot

[harsh rover]

Dude the move already auto steals if you feint it’s not meant to land 100% of the time 😭

[slate reef]

landed in a full second

[tardy sequoia]

VERY

[slate reef]

so it goes from a seecond

[tardy sequoia]

tractable

[worn stratus]

@civic sun

[slate reef]

to 0.8

how is 0.8 seconds

unreactalbe

[civic sun]

hm?

[slate reef]

?

??

[worn stratus]

i mean the range in which u can use the move

not the range of the move

[slate reef]

clip is basically a second long

[civic sun]

that range is very good

[tardy sequoia]

The only reason this worked

[civic sun]

idk what ur abt

[tardy sequoia]

is because

[edgy stream]

yeah its reactable right now at MAX range, u want it to be unreactable at every range??

[slate reef]

0.9 at least

[tardy sequoia]

the opponent has no brain

[civic sun]

its 1 second as the video is

[edgy stream]

u guys are acc braindead

[civic sun]

and NOT TO METNIOn

[edgy stream]

go back to BLR

[worn stratus]

bro vs a real person..

[civic sun]

THE STEAL CREATES SPACE FOR U TO SHOOT

[tardy sequoia]

One second?????

[edgy stream]

cross map steal and they are complaining

[tardy sequoia]

A whole second

[worn stratus]

everyone auto pilots by doing a 3 dribble combo into a pass

[tardy sequoia]

Have we played

[worn stratus]

where is ur chance to steal if they do that

[tardy sequoia]

0 fighting games

[civic sun]

opponents cannot be controlled tho

[edgy stream]

go back to blr

[civic sun]

were not taking in player interactions

[worn stratus]

exactly

opponents cant be controlled

[civic sun]

to base

[worn stratus]

so can we buff the move to be useful

[civic sun]

off

[worn stratus]

against someone with above 10 iq?

[civic sun]

how good or bad

[slate reef]

were also ingorning the fact that the guy decided to run up to the jackpot in his face dribble 3 times instead of passing

[tardy sequoia]

so you’re never landing this

[civic sun]

the move or style is

[worn stratus]

why are u defneding this garbage move dwag

[tardy sequoia]

like ever

[civic bluff]

It isn’t worse than a normal steal tbh, I mean is not the best ability but it’s okay I guess it’s part of the character thematic that is the most broken character when winning jackpot and been kinda mid without jackpot 👍

[worn stratus]

no it actually is worse than a normal steal

[slate reef]

timer is at 3 minutes

[civic sun]

look ur situation js seems to be a issue of a player no offensive

[slate reef]

meaning he had to try to hit hte steal before

[worn stratus]

a normal steal doesnt fling you away from your opponent

[civic sun]

u dashed into a wall too chris

[slate reef]

meaning that the player almost had to know

[worn stratus]

if you fail this steal

[tardy sequoia]

????

[worn stratus]

thats it bruh

[tardy sequoia]

I USED

[slate reef]

he had jackpot

[worn stratus]

u are NOT coming back

[tardy sequoia]

THE LONG RANGE MOVE

AT

LONG RANGE

[slate reef]

and decided to still make a dumb play

[civic sun]

yea

[worn stratus]

no chris it wasnt long range

[civic sun]

and u got dribbled

[edgy stream]

and if you make it you gain so much distance that u are guaranteed to score???

literally on theme

[civic sun]

u want the move to not be counterable or sumn?

[edgy stream]

u dont like to gamble? swap off the style

[civic sun]

same way

[worn stratus]

the if in question

[slate reef]

useless argument

[tardy sequoia]

It is

[worn stratus]

is not a gamble

[slate reef]

wall vs wall

[tardy sequoia]

what

[civic sun]

star's dash

can be ankle broken

[edgy stream]

it is a gamble though?

[tardy sequoia]

very easily is

[slate reef]

no ones chaning opinions

compromising

[worn stratus]

the if is "if the player literally just got out of >5 servers"

[visual skiff]

im 50/50 on it

[edgy stream]

its not reactable close range

[civic sun]

this also deserves to be ankle broken

[edgy stream]

its only reactable at max distance

[tardy sequoia]

that’s also very reactable