Other TCGs, CCGs

[unreal whale]

bruhhhh

[unreal whale]

anyone going to be trying that grand archive tcg?

[lusty crown]

Don’t have physical copies

[hybrid ingot]

@final gulch Wow Battle Spirits has like no good marketing

[final gulch]

They only did YouTubers and like one celebrity right

Also twitter

[hybrid ingot]

Weird

I'm doing an "assignment" to see about doing some graphic design work for a card shop

They have like 0 promo materials

[final gulch]

Odd

I do wanna still try the new reboot, but man doesn't seem curse will be good even in the reboot version lmao

[unreal whale]

yeah they got Avril Lavigne and i was like "wtf?"

[final gulch]

Yeah it's an odd ad campaign for sure

[hybrid ingot]

Alright made my ad

This is literally almost all the promo material they have

[solar pine]

logo at the top is a bit squished but other thamn that it's pretty good

wouldn't blame you if it was cause that's the best picture of it you could get

[hybrid ingot]

Note the watermark I sent him has my legal name on it

Oh it literally is

There's no promo material I can just easily find online

[solar pine]

cringe

[hybrid ingot]

But yeah, slapped my name on it so he can't just go "oh we actually don't need you" and send it to print

I know people love doing that shit to graphic designers

[flat drift]

Yeah, their only promo is “oh yeah we’re gonna fund a high prize tournament in Vegas”

[hybrid ingot]

This game is gonna die fast isn't it

[flat drift]

I hope not, the game’s genuinely pretty fun

[solar pine]

it's going to do decently

[flat drift]

If it does I might just make it a board game cube or tournament deck collection

[solar pine]

and then they'll release a bad set

and the entire game will die

I've seen it happen to many times with card games with niche appeal in my country

[wicked oak]

god i hope bandai doesn't make the exact same mistake they made the first time they tried to sell battle spirits outside of japan

which was no advertising

[solar pine]

I think western bandai just isn't used to a game not selling itself since they mainly do branded games

[lusty crown]

Heck it wouldn’t be a problem if BS’s media got released in the west

Bushiroad’s games get barely any advertising in western territories but Vanguard and Buddyfight did well because of how easy their media was found in the west through YouTube

[obsidian flicker]

tbf this is the same issue Bushiroad does a lot

I've noticed a lot of JP games that get imported vs full on localized tend to end up dying either because nobody knows about or product is too scarce(especially in the US where you're basically out of luck for anything besides Yugioh MTG Pokemon Digimon unless you're in very specific cities)

[acoustic meadow]

Part of it is also just that the western market is ... hard to break into

Card games arent nearly as big of a deal here as they are in japan, so theres fewer LGS's and the ones that exist usually have an established clientele for a specific game

[lusty crown]

What you think of lorcana’s chances

Some say it is not interesting to survive tournament play, and it might just survive as an upgrade of the Disney pins

[wicked oak]

even if it's not interesting i would be surprised if it did badly

it's disney, it'll do well for the same reason pokemon does well

[fickle flint]

Collectors will carry the game to success financially but I doubt there will be that much of a comp scene for it

[hybrid ingot]

Yeah I don't see it having a big comp scene

[flat drift]

Eh with a big IP and enough money, maybe

[acoustic meadow]

Tbh it depends on the cards

The gameplay is solid, but the cards need to be designed to leverage that

[wicked oak]

at the very least i'd say it's more interesting than the pokemon tcg

and i'm saying this as someone who doesn't like disney at all

[flat drift]

I don’t particularly care for or against Disney but if they actually give perks for the comp scene (see: flesh and blood) then they have a chance to do well

[acoustic meadow]

Like it 100% comes down to how well the cards are designed, the systems are good

The problem is

I dont know if Ravensburger have ever made an ongoing card game

Like the systems being good is expected, its Ravensburger, they make good boardgames

But designing cards is the tricky part

[marble tulip]

for@me@personally

i am gonna grab a box or whatever

if lorcana when it drops

i've been trying to not look at anythinbf about it

until it officially drops

[fickle flint]

All sleeved up

[lost barn]

Other than Yu-Gi-Oh, I think Flesh and Blood has the best way to ban cards

If your hero wins tournaments, they get so many points depending on what the size of the tournament is. Once it gets so many points, it becomes a Living Legend meaning that it, and it's signature weapon get banned.

[wicked oak]

i feel like cards should be banned based on whether or not they cause problems and not just because a lot of people are using them

[obsidian flicker]

from a flavor pov that's actually pretty neat but yeah I struggle to see a good reason to do it this way

Yugiohs banlist philosophy and methods are hardly the best either tbh

I personally have always liked Bushiroads approach on paper

problem loop deck? instead of banning either card, choice restrict to make the loop impossible

[acoustic meadow]

Im guessing the idea is to keep the game fresh

If a card sees that much play, its stifling variety

Which in itself is a problem

[flat drift]

They have multiple ban philosophies, they’ll ban things quick if it’s too good

[unreal whale]

they're going to release basically a "legacy" format when enough heroes hit LL

[lost barn]

Which is how it should be. Imo I think it should just be a side format and not interfere with CC

[unreal whale]

im just sad young Iys is gone

[lost barn]

She was way too good in Blitz🤣

Still pretty good in CC too. She's got 642LL points rn

[unreal whale]

ye

i have a brew of Iys i like to call "Great Value Bullylander"

[lost barn]

Hahahahaha

[unreal whale]

the joke is that i dont run any wounded bulls

[lost barn]

sorry I'm just now seeing this lol, but it keeps the game fresh with new heroes coming in while the op ones are going out. no need in playing a match where you know that the other player is going to have a higher chance of winning. it forces people to find new and creative ways to win with heroes that can't go toe to toe with meta

which is why they should have the LL format, where people can play those powerful heroes

[lusty crown]

I like water stuff what craft in Shadowverse fits that desire

[fickle flint]

I’m still sad PvZ heroes bombed
So much potential

[lusty crown]

what was that?

[fickle flint]

It was basically a PvZ themed hearthstone wannabe

5 classes and each playable has 2 classes

40 card deck with 20 health per player

It’s quite fun but has been content dry for years now

Although atm I am currently losing a lot of fun in the game trying to ladder climb

High diamond is miserable

[rain sequoia]

Hi i wanna ask about shadowverse...i wanna play blood craft deck...which pack should i go for

[hasty storm]

check the list you want to build, and see where most of the legendaries come from. these are some example wrath blood lists https://shadowversemaster.com/archetype/wrath_blood/rotation

in the end, you'll just be disenchanting stuff you don't need and crafting the missing cards

[lusty crown]

favorite mechanic from a non big four game?

[acoustic meadow]

Digimons digivolution

[obsidian flicker]

Buddyfight's gauge and Vanguards Drive Checks

[fickle flint]

I unironically love the lane system from PvZ heroes

There are 5 lanes that you can place minions in. (From left to right) Heights, ground, ground, ground, and water lane

heights you can place anything on, but some minions/spells interact with it specifically

ground you can play anything on, and the three ground lanes you can play enviroment cards onto to create passive effects as long as those enviorments exist.

and lastly the water lane: you can only place amphibious minions onto it

some characters have no access to amphibious whatsoever

and some don't have any heights synergy cards

[obsidian flicker]

Drive Checking adds a super interesting dynamic to
Vanguard tbh

like, it incentivizes attacking with your VG at least because you get rewarded with guaranteed extra cards to use and it also allows your hand to constantly refresh as a game mechanic which means dedicated draw as utility is a lot less prominent in favor of other effects(and vg in general is very damage and number heavy because of the natural flow off its design)

[fickle flint]

(Extra note: minions only attack minions in their own lane 9.9 times out of 10: if there isn’t anything in front of them they attack face)

[final gulch]

Digimon's memory gauge system

[rain sequoia]

So i settled down with this swordcraft deck ..how is it?

[hasty storm]

the new format just started, since the expansion came out today

can't really comment on specific decks and builds until it settles

[rain sequoia]

Ahh..okk..thanks

[solar pine]

Gathering cards for one piece right now is such a hassle

At least I'll have a katakuri deck built by this week's end

[marble tulip]

is it expensive

that's what i've hear

op is very expensive

[solar pine]

It can be

Any red deck is expensive because zoro is fucked

Got my big mom pirates deck reserved so all that's left is to grab another katakuri when I can be bothered to

[final gulch]

https://twitter.com/BSS_TCG/status/1676621970983755780?t=vkSS5Ve7zKMMBvAhQ09yMA&s=19 this means we might get the kamen rider cards too 🙏

Battle Spirits Saga (@BSS_TCG)

Gundam Exia has arrived! 🚨

Booster Pack 02 -FALSE GODS- Gundam card reveals continue! Come back tomorrow for more!

In stores July 28, 2023!

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I'll likely just play online if I ever play this game again, but I could totally buy like some singletons for collection sake

[obsidian flicker]

Battle Spirits had some digimon cards at one point right

[final gulch]

yes

it was the popularity of the crossover

which straight up

saved battle spirits

to make them realise "OH DIGIMON IS POPULAR HUH?'

leading to the digimon tcg

[obsidian flicker]

brooo

[solar pine]

Deck is actually a blast to play

[obsidian flicker]

when did Buddyfight get a Transformers knock off theme??

[final gulch]

Weren't the mechs a thing that existed all the time for hero world

[unreal whale]

that Sorcery TCG looking and i kind of want to try it

however Shadowverse tcg lookin mighty fine as a long time Shadowverse player

[fickle flint]

God I have like 3 days to grind 8 ranks in the PvZ card game

I hate ladder climbing in a hurry

[fickle flint]

Yeah no actually fuck this
People are just playing aggro decks in a rush to rank up

I have literally no stakes in the ladder for a content dead game aside from filling out my playsets of every card slightly faster

[solar pine]

THE DRUMS OF LIBERATION

[flat drift]

Wow the new shadowverse tcg looks so good

No idea if it plays like the mobile game but if it does without some of the rng (can’t remember if it even had any) then I’m all for it

Hopefully game stores around me will play it but it’s unlikely since they already have one piece and digimon as their anime games

[hasty storm]

it's reasonably similar

and the digital tcg didn't have that much randomness

but a sparkle of rng is always fun

[unreal whale]

i think they got rid of most of the rng iirc

[hasty storm]

there are still some effects which destroy random followers, or deal damage to random opponents (if speaking about digital)

[flat drift]

the lingering cost reduction mechanics were decent iirc but i didnt really like them (even though i literally played pop elves and time walk rune)

[woeful panther]

spellboost ofc can't really be implemented in physical

they found an alternative in a mechanic counting the amount of spells in GY instead

[flat drift]

Oh fun

I actually prefer that method

How’d they implement the earth counter things?

[hybrid ingot]

Couldn't you just do them as tokens?

[flat drift]

Haven’t had the time to research the cards but seeing tsubaki makes me happy that I can play old school sword control again

[hybrid ingot]

Since they're usually something you'd sac off the field

[flat drift]

I think so but I remember some of those could be attached to other things

But tbf it’s been years since I’ve played

Path of purgatory rune

[hybrid ingot]

I only played shadowverse via the switch game (which is a genuinely solid card game RPG)

The core for shadowverse is really fun, but the switch game only uses the first 5 sets or so

And I found out that the modern game is SUPER powercrept from there

[flat drift]

One weird thing I doubt they implemented was tokens stayed in the grave so it supercharged stuff like pop

But yeah I replayed it once like 5 years back during anime expo and wow the game changed a lot

[hybrid ingot]

I also found out that I independently built the t1 deck from the time when I was trying to figure out what my character plays

I built forestcraft with all the self bouncing and swarm storm stuff

But it turns out that was the best deck at the time of the game lmao

[woeful panther]

earth rite is fairly identical to digital

they actually buffed it for physical

[flat drift]

I remember asking the devs about that deck since it was my favorite and they said they killed it off by making the game much faster

[woeful panther]

if you have like 2 amulets with it, the "earth sediment" can sacrifice itself to give 2 stack counters to the other one

to save on board space

cuz it's still 5 cards total on field

[unreal whale]

im picking up the Runecraft starter deck and maybe the Dragoncraft starter deck as well

why is bellringer angel 17$ rn??

[solar pine]

Card is good and goes in almost everything cause it's neutral

[woeful panther]

It doesn't stop seeing play (Japan at set 6 and she's still staple for some crafts) so high demand

[hybrid ingot]

I'm tempted to pick up the starter decks

[flat drift]

Bell ringer was a staple for years so

[woeful panther]

I don't have a local scene but I think I'll get structures, really like the game

[pure quest]

how's bloodcraft in shadowverse right now? also damn channel is dead af

[hybrid ingot]

Bought some of the Shadowverse starter decks

[hasty storm]

All of them are pretty decent and have cards which their respective classes will use

Which ones did you get

[storm palm]

I miss Cocytus ramp.

[hybrid ingot]

Haven, Forest, and Sword

I'm thinking if a local scene pops up to play forest otk

[hasty storm]

sword is cheap and generally the best

when a full deck is built

but all crafts have viable options

[mortal topaz]

@vague thistle

each season has a unique mecahnic/gimmick with their characters and card frames

[vague thistle]

Hm interesting

[mortal topaz]

what are your initial impressions of the game mechanics wise?

[vague thistle]

It's interesting, but seems kinda... very unlike the TCGs I'm used to, where you set up a board, and your opponent counters or picks away at your board, and there's like, a nuanced resource battle. Here the recourse seems to be very much in the forefront and you're directly chipping away at your opponent's 'health bar' so to say, via Striking. I haven't fully absorbed everything yet though

[mortal topaz]

games are around 15-20 minutes but yeah losing 1 interaction isnt the end of the game by any means

you lick your wounds and keep fighting the next round

but you can apply pressure on your opponents resources with cards and abilities

the game is also REALLY easy to get into

you can get a box of 4 characters for around 25-30$

or print out decks using official scans

[vague thistle]

It looks cool, but idk if it looks cool enough that I want to play it 🤔

[mortal topaz]

You def need someone who likes it to play it with you/teach you

you dont really find out about the game on your own lol

[vague thistle]

Yeah doesn't seem like it

[acoustic meadow]

Wait whats this

[vague thistle]

Exceed Fighting System

It's a fighting game-based card game

Which sounds kinda lame

But the mechanics do seem interesting

[mortal topaz]

i enjoy both genres, id call it a card game based fighting game tbh

[hybrid ingot]

They arrived

[opaque vector]

i heard genshins card game was cool

so anyways im AR 32 now and grinded just to get to the game

[hasty storm]

it's fine but, it doesn't give in game rewards bar achievements and the pass (as far as primogem rewards go)

so in time you stop playing it

unless you really like it

[marble tulip]

it kinda sucks imo

but that's just e

me

[unreal whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nHMuH4o8uo&ab_channel=쿠키런%3A브레이버스

apparently cookie run is now getting atcg

[fickle flint]

That doesn’t surprise me tbh

If there’s a good online sim of it I might try it

[unreal whale]

its coming to english in February next year apparently

also the song goes hard for being a tutorial

[fickle flint]

https://x.com/ninjakiwigames/status/1704640724342366499?s=46

Ninja Kiwi Games (@ninjakiwigames)

We are so excited to announce the all-new game from Ninja Kiwi! Bloons Card Storm!

Pick your favorite Hero, fill your deck with Bloons, Monkeys, and Powers, and then do battle!

Coming mid-2024!

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#Bloons #BCS #NinjaKiwi

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what the hell

[flat drift]

I’m gonna be a MOAB control gamer

[fickle flint]

Lol

Can’t believe your not on camo aggro

It’s so much better

[hybrid ingot]

I'm playing DJ ramp

[fickle flint]

why it's such an autopilot p2w deck

druid ramp at least has more than one game plan

and is super budget

[brazen crystal]

Smh y’all aren’t ready for ceramic midrange

[exotic pelican]

me on F2P dart monkeys:

[fickle flint]

if were being honest with how ninja kiwi is this game is probably gonna be ass for f2p people

[hybrid ingot]

Aren't all card games?

But yeah, this will be MTG lev p2w probably

[fickle flint]

Like Ninja kiwi has been all in on microtransactions since about BTD5

[unreal whale]

i have bought 3 Grand Archive starter decks

[silent bronze]

How difficult is it to get into one piece tcg?

[flat drift]

If you already know how to play digimon or dragon ball or vanguard then you’re halfway there to knowing how to play and what to look for

[tardy lark]

one piece is just hearthstone duel masters/vanguard

[solar pine]

As a note though it can be hard to get product sometimes and decks vary wildly in price

[unreal whale]

how did i get here...

[unreal whale]

bless the pulls 🙏

[solar pine]

Opened one box as a Christmas gift

[acoustic meadow]

What game is that

[solar pine]

Weiss

If anyone can tell me what the signature says I'd be grateful

[cinder raven]

You gotta take better photos, my man. I can barely read this.

May God's wrath pierce you - Megiddo with the VA's sign on the right.

Megido has the Jojo brackets on it.

[solar pine]

Never been good at taking photos, but thank you for this

[cyan monolith]

Has anyone heard of this game

[final gulch]

yes

Keyforge's gimmick is that uh

you can only use the deck you get

the cards inside are randomized though

so you could end up with a god tier deck

or ASS

[cyan monolith]

Okay is it just like

Draft but that's the whole game

[final gulch]

Yes basically

[cyan monolith]

Fair enough

[final gulch]

but the decks do have like

some cohesion

Like they will throw in cards that are supposed to synergize

just that, your ratios might be different, you might have a few different cards here and there

[cyan monolith]

Is the game dead

[final gulch]

I am pretty sure yeah

if it has locals they'll be small

[cyan monolith]

Oof

[final gulch]

well checking, it does still have vids made for it, so I am assuming it still pumps out product

but idk if florida has keyforge players ya know

[cyan monolith]

I'll check lol

[solar pine]

It doesn't help it had a ludicrously poor received set which now game stores a basically giving away for the prices they're at

[cyan monolith]

Bought a deck and got this lol

Idk if this is good or bad

[solar pine]

3 legendaries ain't bad

[cyan monolith]

got the SAS if that helps apparently it's mid?

it's 56 SAS and 2.5 stars

[flat drift]

From what I remember you have some good cards but nothing really cohesive

[cyan monolith]

yeah it's like

the speed is apparently really bad

and it's ike 33% antisynergy

[acoustic meadow]

Aye

Sorry late reply

So its not dead

But locals are super inconsistent

[cyan monolith]

fair

[acoustic meadow]

Also its under new management who iirc

Are allowing sort of deckbuilding?

You can basically mash up 3 houses from 3 different decks

But idk the details on that

[cyan monolith]

oh neat

[acoustic meadow]

Sadly my locals died

Super sick game tho

[cyan monolith]

idk if any of mine even support this

i found this at a used book shop lmao

[acoustic meadow]

There is an online sim fwiw

[cyan monolith]

hmm

could be neat to try

anyways the deck i bought is mid

[acoustic meadow]

Fwiw

SAS is not infallible

[cyan monolith]

ye fair enough

the deck apparently is very slow

[acoustic meadow]

The site is "Thecrucible online" btw

Uhh

Do you have a link? I dont remember the cards anymore lmao

[cyan monolith]

to the deck or the sas lol

[acoustic meadow]

The deck

Mostly so I dont have to look up each card

[cyan monolith]

this?

https://www.keyforgegame.com/deck-details/a7cb7ef6-682b-4716-8da7-c456cfe01ccc

[acoustic meadow]

Aye, think so

Huh

That doesnt look bad to me tbh

Btw if you ever wanna play

I got a few decks sooo

Just hit me up

I can teach you most of the game

[cyan monolith]

aight bet

i'm down to at least try it out a little bit

[acoustic meadow]

Now is a touch late but

I can do tomorrow

If you got time

[cyan monolith]

ye that's fine i'm going to mtg locals tomorrow but if i catch you in the morning

[acoustic meadow]

Realistically evening is easier lmao

[cyan monolith]

oof

[acoustic meadow]

I think your morning is right when Yamis campaign starts

[cyan monolith]

💀

aight fair enough this weekend might not be the best since sunday i'm going to the fair

[acoustic meadow]

Ye

Fair

[cyan monolith]

but uhhh

[acoustic meadow]

Most weekdays are fine for me

[cyan monolith]

i get off work at like 5:30 EST if you're ever free to discuss then

yeah

[acoustic meadow]

But ye just ping me whenever you got time

I havent had a chance to play this game in a while lmao

[cyan monolith]

aight cool

i just figured i'd try out a new little card game on the side bc the preconstructed decks are also cheap af LMAO

if it's actually supported at locals it might be cool to mess with

last community post on a facebook post was last year

and it seemed to be active last in 2020

i'll figure it out lol

[acoustic meadow]

Yeah Covid just kinda

Fucked it over sadly

[wicked oak]

https://duelmasters.fandom.com/wiki/Dueparty

duel masters has edh now, apparently

[cinder raven]

LMAO.

One of the rules is no Extra Turn or Win the game effects apply, and their example is a card with a downside of giving your opponent a free extra turn. No, it's all upside.

[wicked oak]

they also forgot to ban zeron lmao

[cyan monolith]

Zeron deez nuts

[unreal whale]

speaking of Duel Masters

[wicked oak]

wait is there an english version of that now?

[tardy lark]

wotc

[unreal whale]

nah translation mod

[unreal whale]

how do y'all feel about that new TCG called "Sorcery: The Contested Realm"

[flat drift]

It sounds familiar, did the creator work on anything else? I think I saw it while researching another game

[wicked oak]

i think they need to print more of it if they want any chance of the game not dying within a year

i tried to get some cards for it but the game is way too expensive and my lgs ran out of it

[opaque vector]

https://vxtwitter.com/GrottoBeastsTCG/status/1729358145070465212?s=20

I'm happy they're still doing stuff with it. But I feel like this game is not gonna grow at all past it's initials release.

I'm still glad it happened tho

[hybrid ingot]

I mean it's got one of the most niche audiences possible

Jerma card game fans

[opaque vector]

I was super hyped for it, even though I was aware of that. I don't regret buying my starter set and packs.

My biggest gripe was the fact that I do not understand their battle system

granted I have never played any other TCG or CCG outside of ygo so I couldn't grasp most of its concepts.

Maybe I'll give the mod a try and see if I can understand it better cuz they aren't even updating their YT channel.

I still like the cutesy art style and jerma references

[modern pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUuvfTard3c

Shadowverse 2

You know it's going to be a good game cause it has a fishing minigame

[tardy lark]

rip all my shadowverse cosmetics

[modern pulsar]

i forgot you were here lol

[tardy lark]

indeed

resident atomy gamer here

[woeful panther]

might play it again when this drops

[modern pulsar]

I hope atomy is here again

atomy 2, electric boogaloo

wait

IMAGINE BATOMY!

[tardy lark]

i just hope there is interaction in sv2

1.5 player multiplayer got kinda old

[woeful panther]

the tcg has quick effects so maybe

[solar pine]

Managed to secure a op5 one piece box

Holy shit they’re hard to find

Also damn playing one piece got expensive

[tawdry dew]

I just learned the game existed a few weeks ago. Never actually seen any product on shelves or an LGS. Seems popular to players and scalpers.

[wicked oak]

apparently battle spirits saga brought over the retrain of siegwurm before they brought over the original siegwurm for some reason????

this is like if konami printed shooting star dragon before printing stardust dragon

[fickle flint]

So the blue eyes shining dragon situation

[wicked oak]

you can still use nova siegwurm without using thunder siegwurm but like

a character having a super mode doesn't feel impactful if the normal form comes out after the super one

if goku used super saiyan 2 before using super saiyan 1 then super saiyan 1 wouldn't be very exciting

[wicked oak]

wait actually never mind i misread the set code, i thought it came out in the third set but it actually came out in the third starter deck, which came out at the same time as the first set

[tardy lark]

you kidding me goku going super saiyan was way more hype than when he went ss2

[wicked oak]

yeah but imagine if they introduced super saiyan 2 first

and then tried to hype up super saiyan 1 as though we hadn't already seen the even stronger version of it already

[final gulch]

oh lol

shame there's not even a battle spirits scene in my country lmao

but they also just nerfed my favorite bs deck of all time when bringing it to the west so ???

[tardy lark]

idk i still go back and those freeza / cooler super saiyan transformations still inject insane dopamine

[tulip coyote]

Talking about Battle Sprits Saga, they really did an 180 on the new Nova

The first art we had of set 4 featured the art of Nova X, the Rebirth retrain of Nova

But they changed it now to Nova Ira

This was the og art from the website

This is what we're actually getting

[flat drift]

Huh, new Star Wars tcg and it’s from… fantasy flight games

Oh no

[wicked oak]

don't all of the star wars tcgs end up dying after a year or two because the license is so expensive

this is like the 7th one

[fickle flint]

That and their usually terribly designed

[flat drift]

Pretty much yeah but this one looks promising

FFG used to do the other popular Star Wars tcg and that went on for a couple years with a smaller budget

[acoustic meadow]

FFG do good stuff

[flat drift]

They have great games but I’m sad for their projects

[unreal whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AjJQLhy5Rg

Flesh and Blood making moves they on the news

[solar pine]

Try to get back into one piece
Decks are expensive AF now and supply is criminally scalped
Okay, uta starter deck is playable to a certain level
Deck doesn't reprint the needed film nami card and they're £15 each, need 4
That's £100 on entry level
Fine, sure
Find out uta also needs promos
Functionally unique promos
Functionally unique promos that are being exclusively handed out during the deck pre release and are being distributed incorrectly and have had their distribution amounts cut

I fucking love bandai I love not being allowed to play their games

[tardy lark]

and this is why their games have universally died out

[wicked oak]

usually this or them just not marketing the game at all like how they did with battle spirits the first time around

[solar pine]

And the second time around

I have heard nothing on the modern battle spirits release and no lgs near me is taking the risk to stock it

[tardy lark]

they actually did do some marketing the first time around

i remember getting some free starter decks from a promotion

[cyan monolith]

Ngl

I want the battle spirits Kamen Rider cards here

But i doubt we'll get them

Ig I'll take Secret Lair: It's All Tommy Oliver as a consolation prize

[solar pine]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

5 PACKS

[hybrid ingot]

Oh this game is like almost exactly Digimon, huh?

[solar pine]

Pretty much but it's got a mana system

This card is worth 2k

[fickle flint]

Damn if I had that kind of pull I’d cash out immediately

[hybrid ingot]

Yeah sell that rn

That's a month's rent and a nice meal

[solar pine]

Its my partners and they're in a position to be able to hold onto it

[hybrid ingot]

Fair enough

Is there alt versions of that if you need a playable one? Or is that the only version

[solar pine]

Yeah it's from the first starter deck

This art though was something oda drew specifically for the game

[solar pine]

I was looking forward to the new dragon ball super card game

But damn the art for it sucks so much

How are we still using yamamuros shit ass lighting style now and miscolouring vegetas hair on an alt art secret

[acoustic meadow]

Theres a new one?

[solar pine]

Released in February

It's basically just the one piece game but dragon ball themed

[unreal whale]

wait this is basically a reboot?

wtff happened to the dragon ball super tcg

[solar pine]

Still going on iirc

They just decided to have 2 games

Probably because the OG game is in bandai powercreep hell

[wicked oak]

do all of bandai's games go through crazy powercreep like this?

people complain about yugioh's powercreep but like

jp battle spirits's powercreep is on a completely different level from yugioh's powercreep

[solar pine]

Yeah you just gotta look at Digimon and to a lesser extent one piece to see this

Almost every set contains something that ends up being a staple or a new meta deck, and if a deck is doing well but not tier 1 for too long they ban it anyway

[wicked oak]

i think a big part of it is that they let stat creep go completely out of control

because stats don't directly influence damage in most of bandai's games they can just increase the numbers without it making the games end instantly so they aren't careful with it

[solar pine]

It's not just that

Set 1 versus a set 15 secret rare

One on left required a lot of build up but was a decent board clear option, and had a 1 time guarantee hit

One on the left can fucking warp digivolve (go from level 3 to 6 instantly), has built in protection, makes 3 of your opponents Digimon useless and also can attack twice because why not

Fuck it one piece comparison time

One on left, rush attacker that can avoid being chump blocked
One on right just fuckin take an extra turn why not

[wicked oak]

wack

[solar pine]

Add in functionally unique promos that are poorly distributed and required to play competitively and there you go

A bandai card game

[hybrid ingot]

Jesus, kinda glad I stopped playing Digimon

[solar pine]

I had my time in the sun with it, got my winners beelze, got a beelzemon deck poster because my partner nagged the lgs for months because they said we could have it when they replaced it (they kept it up for 6 months past the deck release and rotated other posters instead of it)

[final gulch]

Eh, a lot of old decks are still relevant in Digimon.

Though it has... Issues. Ukkomon is a mistake

[solar pine]

Define old, because you could call garurumon an old deck despite the fact a lot of its older cards have been banned or replaced with entirely new cards

I think the only deck I’d call old with decent showings is lord bloom?

[final gulch]

Red Hybrid is still one of the best decks in the game.

The only Garurumon cards that have been are recent (EX5.) or part of the purple base for the Gabumons.

Bloom, Seccon & Blue Flare are all also still viable. Well Bloom maybe falls off in BT16 seeing the meta there

Machinedramon also tops from time to time

[solar pine]

Yami it hasn't even been a year since red hybrids new stuff came out

Idk about seccon but I know blue flare wants ukkomon

And seccon and machinedramon are likely always going to be good because seccon is just the idea of abusing the games security function, and machinedramon gets a lot of support

[floral bone]

how did a new star wars tcg coming out just completly fly over my head

[flat drift]

It’s a decent game

FFG so I’m holding off but I’m optimistic about it

[unreal whale]

anyone hear about the new bandai tcg thats coming in October this year called Union Arena

[fickle flint]

prob because people are expecting it to die off in like 2-3 years tops

like every SW tcg

[solar pine]

ITS SO OVER

[hasty storm]

i can't tell if this is good or bad, but i pray for the downfall of OP TCG

[solar pine]

It really depends on how good the reprint set is

...which showing how rb01 was in Digimon

(for reference the set contained like maybe 12-15 good reprints and most of those were promos that had mostly rotated out of favour)

If blue jimbe, purple queen, red Gordon, red law, red sunny, the uta cards, black borsalino, green law, green kidd, red white beard, green nami, yellow katakuri, yellow sanji, green rosantine plus a lot of early starter cards don't all get reprints, the ones that don't are going to the moon

[solar pine]

Welp yellow katakuri isn't getting a reprint soon

[solar pine]

Now that one piece actually has good budget deck options, I've been playing and it's been quite fun, the germa deck having its own henshin mechanics is really cool

[acoustic meadow]

How do they work?

[solar pine]

You play a lower cost version, and you can upgrade them by putting a don (land equivalent) back into your don deck and sacrificing them to bring out their higher cost henshin versions from your hand or trash

And the deck has a lot of filtering so you can easily fill your trash with their higher cost forms

Their father vinsmoke judge also lets you play all of the lower cost ones with different names in your trash, so you can henshin all of them at once

[unreal whale]

god this box is so fucking nice

[floral bone]

any dead game enjoyers

[misty narwhal]

Yeah about that

Also my box

[slim glade]

I pulled this lovely card

[slim glade]

Wait for PRB-01 later this year

[flat drift]

There’s a new neopets game, might be just silly enough to warrant play

Simple enough mechanics and the combat is something I remember being suggested for a while but not sure how it lends to competitive play (game’s by upperdeck so comp play is warranted)

Game uses dice to determine how many attacks and damage, like a unit with 2 attack rolls 2 dice with 4-6 being successful hits (6 being unblockable) and a unit with 3 defense rolls 3 dice with 4-6 being successful defense, and agility is a reroll mechanic, very board gamey

[hasty storm]

https://news.cardmarket.com/en/Vanguard/tell-us-what-games-you-want-to-see-on-cardmarket

cardmarket added a new poll, asking which new card games to add to it

any votes going to shadowverse are appreciated

[worldly willow]

Anyone playing db card game

[worldly willow]

Was shadowverse? Sounds interesting

[flat drift]

Shadowverse was an online tcg that died then turned into an in person tcg

Tbf the game is very fun

Haven’t played it in a long time but I always thought of it as a more fun and complex, less rng oriented hearthstone (mostly because hearthstone was also big at the time)

[woeful panther]

the online game is still up

they have stopped developing for their sequel though (pushed to 2025)

[flat drift]

They’re getting a sequel? Good to hear

I loved that game and had to quit for personal life reasons

[flat drift]

another mbt elestrals vid, is the game real or is it as dead as some people say? it looks fun at least

[wicked oak]

i don't think it's gonna take off

[flat drift]

gives me an idea for a mtg cube so not all is lost lol

[fickle flint]

PvZ heroes had its first balance patch in 5 years leaked

[flat drift]

Lightseekers is apparently having a resurgence and I’m all up for it

Loved that game to death but the lack of experience in the company caused it to fall apart

Only game my gf will play me in lol

[worldly willow]

Oh I get you
It sounds fun

Anyone play DB tcg?

[proud gale]

I wonder if this is going to be fun

[unreal whale]

focking love Grand Archive

[proud gale]

im thinking just buying a merlin deck

[unreal whale]

merlin is stronk

like tier 1 stronk

(i think she a bit expensive tho)

[unreal whale]

tryna decide if i want to give digimon or one piece a shot again

[flat drift]

tbh i'd say try it but dont pay any money for them unless you're sure you want to stick to it

personally i don't like one piece because the system passively buffs attackers

[misty narwhal]

I think both are really fun but one piece probably has the bigger player base atm and such

[solar pine]

One piece just posted the worst banlist I've seen in my entire life

Enes lobby is a fine hit for lucci, makes it harder for the deck to clear boards as easy, law was a deserved hit because it just gets better then more cards are printed

...but where's the enel hit

Deck is busted as shit and got nothing hit

Tier 0 format bois

[woeful panther]

List seems alright imo

from what ive seen JP basically only has law / lucci as viable options due to their op08 support

and this is the most recent topcut in na

[worldly willow]

Anyone know where I can get a shadow Lugia card?

[solar pine]

The Nintendo world promo oversized one? If you don’t mean that one then no other real ones exist. The oversized ones can be found on eBay, I’d suggest getting a graded one for some level of authenticity check

[worldly willow]

Ok, I'll look for some graded ones

Wish they would make a normal card of it tho

Wait is this real?

[solar pine]

Yeah, it’s an alt art lugia from silver tempest, it goes from around £200

[worldly willow]

God damit

Is the jumbo card cheap? Probably not

[solar pine]

That's like £2000-3000

[worldly willow]

Wha

Bro 😭

Is there any shadow Lugia that'd cheap?

Maybe I'll have to get one that's custom made

[fickle flint]

You are probably better off just printing your own

Since most of them are gonna be ~20 years old and out of active circulation for like 18 of those years afaik

[worldly willow]

Yeah I might just have to
I wouldn't even use it, just want somin shadow lugia-esc yk

[woeful panther]

could always get a fake

[worldly willow]

Lmao maybe

I might be crazy to spend that much on a fake one but

Maybe not

[unreal whale]

https://x.com/KozmicPlays/status/1825910211502051643

Kozmic (@KozmicPlays) on X

Genshin TCG (Genius Invokation) is apparently real and in development for a physical launch. They had a demo at Genshin FES

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 2:58 PM

ooh ok

[acoustic meadow]

@wicked hollow is it even doable in paper?

[wicked hollow]

should be yeah

nothing too crazy

tho they rebalance a lot so

who knows how they'd work it

[flat drift]

it's the dice roll one, right?

would be pretty cool to have dice signifying mana

[plain tundra]

I am necroposting this half back to death, but only just started getting into one piece and doing research competitively

RP Law absolutely needed the hit and was forcing a Tier 0 format with OP8. you at the bare minimum had to ban law or leader lock cards about to be released (Black Maria specifically).

Lucci was the only other deck keeping up with it, and very much needed a hit. Lobby keeps it competitive, though the more popular request for a hit was 8 Gecko Moria. BY Luffy was also doing ok, but that was it. Enel was 4th and doing only a fraction of what Lucci and Law were putting up.

Enel isn't oppressive, but I think folks compare this to what Snorlax Stall is rn in Pokemon. Rather unfun to play against without breaking the game wide open. Just from what I watched, Enel still looks more fun to play against than Snorlax.

Enel's thing is BS triggers that might force a roulette, assuming you play correctly against him and don't just wail hit after hit willy nilly.

Snorlax was just how many outs or what they could rip off the top of your deck, assuming you know when and when not to play aggro.

[woeful panther]

Haven't looked too deep into 08 myself, you like the look of anything in 07 so far?

[plain tundra]

I'm starting with Emporio, but definitely Reiju for comp

Also interested in Yamato since I was a big fan of Bolmeteus Steel Dragon from Duel Masters, and Yamato's like the only thing doing that on the regular

[woeful panther]

Yeah I've also been getting the reps in with reiju atm, yamato is cool though volatile

[unreal whale]

kinda funny how yugioh, mtg, and fab communities were all waiting for a ban list at the same time. Idk if I've ever seen that before.

[flat drift]

Welp one of the people I know opened up the debate on netdecking vs “creativity” in yugioh and digimon

Games where decks are mostly prebuilt with engine and staples

[solar pine]

Me when I creatively build my numemon deck with ukkomon

Oh by the way the next one piece set has 5 mangas in it

So that’s getting scalped to shit

[flat drift]

For reference, every deck he makes is dump stats and pray

Creative

[wicked oak]

don't you know it's plagiarism to take into account what other people are doing instead of reinventing the wheel

[final gulch]

Digimon barely has any space for creative deck building, you do have some spaces for techs (say specific floodgate rookies or meta calls like Digimon Emperor)

But deck space is TIGHT

[wicked oak]

does digimon still not have side decking

[final gulch]

Nope, which tbf would get weird at this point, but some cards would be absolutely insane if you could side them in

again, Digimon Emperor is one such card

This card is insane vs Ukkomon and decks that heavily want to promote their level 3 for their plays

[obsidian flicker]

digimon card design is p weird

and I think part of why it died is the lack of generics
it felt so bad when your deck got powercrept within a month and basically nothing was converatable into your next deck

[final gulch]

That's not even true though

a lot of the times it's not even powercreep, the decks were almost never good to begin with

[obsidian flicker]

I can only think of a handful of cards and its mostly just eggs and tamers

[final gulch]

And the actually good decks remain good for ages

[obsidian flicker]

tbf I stopped playing around like

bt10

[final gulch]

I mean even then

[obsidian flicker]

when deathxmon was like a $70 3 of in most decks

but that felt like the exception rather then the norm

like I had lilith loop armor rush and x anti built

[final gulch]

People complained about how good Blue/Yellow/Red hybrids were for too long

Or Jesmon being too good for too long

so they had to hit savior

[obsidian flicker]

it I wanted to build a new black purple or blue deck I only had so many cards already that worked with current decks

[final gulch]

I mean, that's because most decks have just gone more archetypal

Lilithmon still exists, it's just a mill deck now

Armor still exists, but suffers from yellow doing its boss monster better

X-Anti still exists and has 3 builds

Alphamon, Black Dorugora and Purple Dorugora

With the latter two having some fringe playability

[final gulch]

But just as an example for my main deck, D-Brigade when it comes to ratios for the level 3s

• Both BT14 and BT4 Commandramon are a 4-off
• After that I should fill in my other level 3s with up to 4 copies of BT16 and EX3 Commandramon
• I have to choose the ratios, because I want BT4 Commandramon & Cargodramon to be consistent, while also having stuff to actually swarm the field with.
• EX3 provides protection, but is a vanilla to any non-destruction based removal decks, while BT16's effect is always live, but it effectively boils down to a small
• There's also BT3, which while a literal vanilla, it being a 2 cost actually matters due to getting around DeathXmon, potential synergy with Brigadramon if you can consistently recycle 2 copies + a 3 cost (or do it + a 5 cost in EX3 Sealsdramon), but it's still in most circumstances a worse option than EX3 or BT16, and you'd only run it if you want to meta call that you're NOT running into any destruction based removal outside of DeathXmon.

Like there's technically a choice to make

but it's not a lot

Like Digimon deckbuilding really boils down to ratios

and then seeing if you can fit in some removal options, floodgate rookies and or antimeta cards

[plain tundra]

Pokemon at this point definitely has skeletons that make up nearly the whole deck, and One Piece can vary by mileage on that depending on the leader

[solar pine]

One piece has staples, its main issue is reprint frequency

[plain tundra]

ie. I'm learning Reiju and it is very apparent there is very little room for tech because the core of the deck had to be heavily refined just to deal with RP Law. But then I'm also looking into Yamato and there's literally 3 entirely different builds.

[solar pine]

Because one piece starter decks are like 80% bulk

Are you looking forward to op09 being scalped?

[plain tundra]

Unless Buggy turns out good I haven't put much thought into OP9

Like the only thing on mind from OP9 so far is that everyone has their eyes on Blackbeard floodgating

[flat drift]

when it comes to so called "creativity", magic or lorcana is probably the most likely since you can just dump a bunch of random cards of 2 or so colors and it's at least sort of coherent

in terms of play creativity tho i like yugioh and magic a lot more, any instant interaction with a lot of interaction point

[plain tundra]

Goodstuff has to balance out with the cores of decks. Usually nowadays the deck skeletons massively overtake the goodstuff options.
The opposite was true for Duel Masters, where the top meta was just a few variants of Good Stuff Control

[solar pine]

It’s the mangas that are causing the issues

[plain tundra]

oh

ok

[solar pine]

There’s 4 and an additional golden roger

It’s gonna be op05 but worse

[plain tundra]

I mean if lower rarities are fine I don't really care lol.
I'd care more if you had a situation like P4 Bon Clay, Kizaru, or Katakuri

[solar pine]

Ehh I’d disagree with lorcana mainly because the top three decks always steam roll

[solar pine]

That’s fair, it’s just gonna be hard to get singles at a reasonable rate for a while because people are gonna horde it like mad

[plain tundra]

I'd think the cards folks would worry about end up being base rarity 10c Blackbeard and 10c Shanks

mainly 10c Blackbeard because he's nuts

[solar pine]

The blackbeard deck in general seems pretty damn good

I just want to see that bastard enel gone

If I see his ass top my locals one more time

[flat drift]

true but the game isn't really deck cores vs deck cores like a lot of other decks and is more on the side of goodstuff

[solar pine]

I’d say it’s mainly packages that are the issue like purple bounce package, blue items package and green draw packages don’t exist

[flat drift]

yep but except for the purple bounce package, it's not really forced together into packages by the developers (actually it's been a while for me, which green draw package?)

[solar pine]

Diablo clarabelle

[flat drift]

that being said i don't mind whichever way the game's design goes, just don't say your pre-made package deck is your own creativity (talking about the guy i know) lol

[solar pine]

Diablo lets you draw whenever your opponent draws, clarabelle refills hand to 7 at end of turn

Diablo also has evasive because why not

[flat drift]

oh right yeah i remember the deck was starting to get popular when i stopped paying attention to the game

[solar pine]

You picked a good time to stop

Set 4 meta was so ass

[unreal whale]

i stopped when the dna digivolution was first seen

[final gulch]

Fwiw dna is kind of a failed mechanic, with only consistently good dna deck being currently good because they pushed it so hard with the last wave of support

[obsidian flicker]

is there a dedicated OP chat btw

[wicked hollow]

as u can see in the threads page itself, no

[misty narwhal]

What do people think of opo8 as a set?

[solar pine]

Mid

Doesn't change the format much at all

[plain tundra]

The banlist changed the right stuff that Black Maria didn’t ruin the format.

The fact that this was one of the few things that was notable from the pack speaks to how underwhelming the pack is

[woeful panther]

It's alright for the structure deck black luffy

[solar pine]

You say that like that deck isn’t still mid

[woeful panther]

It just had the 2nd most rep at Liverpool Finals top cut

and this is 07

[solar pine]

Oh damn didn't know it was like that

How is enel that low

It's like a 45% winrate Vs lucci which isn't bad and then it crushes anything that isn't nami

[woeful panther]

Entry breakdown if you're curious

[solar pine]

Still surprised how low enel is

Deck runs every locals I've been to

[plain tundra]

ok I'm still kinda green to One Piece but I'm looking over Japan's early meta for OP9

How or why is Smoker slowly building momentum now?

I get the Gecko Moria engine is a thing, but is there anything standout about specifically Smoker besides how good 1C Sengouku is?

[exotic pelican]

https://www.thegamer.com/rune-battlegrounds-riot-games-tcg-leaks-online/

Looks like a China-only game

[flat drift]

Another tcg?

Hopefully it’s good

[hybrid ingot]

Yeah they already have LoR

Oh this one is physical

Weird

[acoustic meadow]

China-only huh

I guess that makes sense, iirc LoR wasnt released in china

[flat drift]

Even if it’s China only, if it’s good then I’ll play a translation lol

[solar pine]

nami third best deck

It’s so jover

[unreal whale]

Grand Archive is fucking cooking

[cinder raven]

Yo, is that Riseheart?

[solar pine]

Nice hit on the sp bonny

Love that chopper art because he looks more like a creature than a mascot

[misty narwhal]

Nice

[unreal whale]

2 drop cat girl lets fucking go

[plain tundra]

Well you are continuing to get your wish with enel falling off, just that monkey’s paw is Nami stonks are up because the top decks are all Black

Probably need more official results, but online from what I’ve read is domainted by Lucci and B Luffy

[solar pine]

LETS GO

[plain tundra]

Well Buggy just got a good card to follow up its core

but it's a goddamn promo

Buggy's core is around trying to set up 5 cost characters to get 10 Cost Buggy as its big wincon.
Buggy can cheat the don mechanic by discarding a card to make anything 5-10 cost a 5-cost.
Before, its only way of committing to multiple 5-cost cards off 1 interaction was Cross Guild Crocodile. Now, they printed a second card that works like Crocodile and has an amazing floodgate effect

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceTCG/comments/1fp074p/am_i_the_only_one_that_thinks_this_promo_makes/

But it's a goddamn promo

also that literal bootlicking art

[unreal whale]

Bandai try not to shit out another fucking TCG challenge

[flat drift]

Main reason why I’m not in one piece

[solar pine]

Op01 restock at my locals let’s go

[unreal whale]

fuck its gundam

[unreal whale]

"new" flesh and blood hero just dropped

[storm palm]

What game is this?

[unreal whale]

flesh and blood

[storm palm]

Thank you.

[unreal whale]

62 player online Grand Archive weekly time to go 0-4

[fickle flint]

bloons card storm kinda fun but a very solid chance ninja kiwi's hatred of F2Ps makes me bounce off it

[flat drift]

Wait it came out?

[fickle flint]

today yes

[solar pine]

scalpers are scalping starter deck 17 of one piece, with it being the easiest and cheapest way to jump into the game
RRP is £12, they're removing the reprint set pack from them and selling them for £30 each
I'm so tired man

[woeful panther]

I think the scalping will hopefully fail

the product is just released and the game is not at the same small supply as launch

[plain tundra]

and blast from the past, one of the scalpers joining in on this is SimplyUnlucky

[plain tundra]

@solar pine
Jumpscare for Halloween

(Enel counters Doffy but sucks against a lot of other stuff)

[solar pine]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[unreal whale]

so does anyone here actually play Elestrals

[hollow panther]

What was that tcg that game out awhile back that had little jewels for counters

[wicked oak]

battle spirits

it used counters for basically everything, including life points and the resource system

[hollow panther]

That's it

It still going?

[wicked oak]

it's dying

or at least in the west it is

in japan it's still going strong

but the english version is dying

[hollow panther]

It did seem cool tbh

I'm guessing the west is a much harder market for newer tcgs to breakthrough in

[wicked oak]

bandai fucked up the marketing really bad

it's a genuinely good game but good luck finding anyone to play it with

[final gulch]

I'm so mad because I adore Battle Spirits back when it was this semi obscure Japan only tcg

[solar pine]

"oh wow that's really cool so if you buy it it's like you get a figure of the fruit-"

[fickle flint]

Welcome back MvCi infinity stones

[exotic pelican]

Anyone here have insight on UniVersus? There's some packs rotting in my local Walgreens and I wanna know if opening them would be funny.

[flat drift]

union arena is surprisingly fun

much more than one piece or digimon but that's mainly because of the deck gimmicks and i can see it becoming like them soon

[unreal whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1j7zvA3Sy0

[hybrid ingot]

Looks really solid

[acoustic meadow]

I will withhold judgment til we actually get a gameplay primer

[unreal whale]

lowkey feel like they could've made better borders than making cards that look like they belong in some weird bandai tcg

[unreal whale]

looks like Flesh and Blood is getting their version of OTS packs

[hybrid ingot]

https://preview.redd.it/ohqa3n7hhq5e1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=f3bfdad0ad1eb9540b3ff3274735e2a3ca974f4d

The project K cards look pretty good in full art

[flat drift]

Oh shit those look great

Warwick’s new design is a disappointment though

[solar pine]

These are bandai cards bruh

[flat drift]

I get what they’re going for but he just looks goofy

[fickle flint]

everybody hop on peak it's getting it's first update in like 5 years

https://www.ea.com/games/plants-vs-zombies/plants-vs-zombies-heroes/news/balance-update-for-december-2024

[solar pine]

Enel finally no longer meta
Black beard is literally Enel in black

I CANNOT WIN

I CANT EVEN PLAY SHANKS FOR THE FAVOURABLE MATCHUP BECAUSE RAYLEIGHS ARE £40 A COPY

[plain tundra]

Blackbeard is not Enel in black no

Enel's a deck that preys on drawn out games in general and starving the opponent out of resources
Blackbeard says "screw waiting" and just shuts off your late curve

Enel is also about to hard fall off because of Blackbeard

[plain tundra]

This, however, does suck

The other major problem with rogue rn is that any rogue deck that can combat blackbeard
Can't combat Shanks

This also holds true in OP10

[plain tundra]

And vice versa, Blackbeard destreoys some of the best checks against Shanks

[solar pine]

Most blackbeard builds I see focus on controlling the early, and then spamming Blackbeard's once 10 don is hit

Which feels very similar to enels controlling the early and spamming yamato/aces

I'm playing yamato this format bruh can't stop me from using on plays if I don't use any

(I can use the demon robins, izos and onamis for counter)

[plain tundra]

yeah no most blackbeard has been about maybe going for a basic removal or body in the early game and focus heavily on setting up discard, and repeatedly hitting Teach's on play negate once they feel they need to depending on the matchup

Often, 7/8 don onward

[solar pine]

I have not been seeing that one the sim in the 15 or so black beard games Ive played but ig that's sim players

[plain tundra]

It's way less like Enel because it only has 10c Teach for that late stretch and no way of extending its survival against stuff that can play through blockers

Of course, some of that changes in OP10 because Kuzan is ridiculous

[solar pine]

Literally the sim players just dump blackbeards

[plain tundra]

If they are dumping with blackbeard negate immediately, they are bad

[solar pine]

I mean like they're stalling till 10 and then chain dropping the blocker

Also I just read op10 kuzan

I am cooked bro wtf is that

[plain tundra]

Op10 Kuzan is insane yeah

Op10 Jesus and Shiryu are no slouches either

Neither is the OP10 event for Blackbeard

OP10 Kuzan gives Teach much better consistency and an actual ability to recycle almost whatever it wants... for free

[solar pine]

Well at least I can switch to lim in op1-
4 sec zoros
4 promo lims you only get for buying the switch copy of odyssey

[plain tundra]

Also the Kuzan alt is sick

[solar pine]

I'm gonna be playing usopp in op10 at this rate

Yeah they gave kuzan infinite aura in the anime for 0 reason but it looked cool

[plain tundra]

From what folks have been trying in OP10, Rebecca and Usopp kick Blackbeard to the curb

But, they get completely destroyed by Shanks

[solar pine]

How's sugar

[plain tundra]

bad

Like barely doing anything
Which is more than can be said of Ceasar

[solar pine]

I'm assuming law is mid because they put 5 billion restrictions on him

Kid seems fun

[plain tundra]

Law asaw some early success and has slowly died off

Smoker, Kid, and Usopp are the successful ones

Law is still doing miles better than Sugar and Ceasar

[solar pine]

Dios Mio I'm gonna be suffering in op10

[plain tundra]

Op10's impact is essentially:

Blackbeard got better as a deck, but has a worse matchup spread against lower meta
Shanks gets a better matchup spread against lower meta
The best decks in OP09 remain the best decks in OP10
Usopp, Rebecca, Smoker, Lim, and Kid enter the lower tier of the meta
Green Oden finally becomes playable.
And Yellow Kid absolutely should have been Basil Hawkins as Leader

The more worrisome thing was the EB02 searchers

those look really stupid

Searcher based off an opening of One Piece
2C
Event
Main: Look at top 4 cards of deck, add 4C cost or higher character and put rest at bottom of deck in any order
Trigger: Activate Main

There's 1 for every color

[solar pine]

People at my locals keep saying the opening searchers are bad

Idgi

[plain tundra]

The opening searchers are really good and argubly bad for the game

If it were just main, I'd say they'd be situational to the deck
But the trigger is dumb

[solar pine]

I'm really worried bandai is gonna bandai this game

I quit Digimon in ex04-bt-12 because the game was neigh unrecognisable to me from how it started

[plain tundra]

I don't think we're gonna get to the point where the game is unrecognizable, but I do think the opening searchers break the idea of what an unsearchable power play is

[solar pine]

If I start seeing ACE like cards in one piece I'm probably gonna dip

[plain tundra]

If anything Bandai needs to improve upon with OP specifically, it's continuing to improve availability, and giving a damn about tournament organization

[solar pine]

Increasingly announcing reprint sets too would be good

Eb01 I love you but laboon is not a £20 card

[plain tundra]

Laboon
Bon Clay
Cavendish
Chopper
Shirahoshi now due to Yellow Kid

Even Kingdom Come has gone up in price

[solar pine]

Bon £40 clay too

[solar pine]

Fujitora given worst option in the game, asked to leave admirals

[cinder raven]

One Piece gotta be making one gorbillion dollars, so why do they still have so many cards that are just anime screenshots or manga panels with speech bubbles and sfx, not even cleaned up?

Like do people really like random scenes (a lot of which isn't even iconic moments) or random insubstantial lines or interjections ruining what would be clean art?

https://www.bigorbitcards.co.uk/487914-large_default/shockwave.jpg

The game original renders, esp. on the Leaders have been so good, so these just look worse in comparison even more.

[solar pine]

Event cards are always manga panels unless they have higher rarity alt arts, I think it looks nice... Except for the odyssey arts they look fucking horrendous

[flat drift]

First impressions on project k so far?

[wicked oak]

i have zero faith that it will be around in 5 years

after how badly riot mishandled lor i don't trust them to make another card game

[floral bone]

Something about it seems... weird

Like its secretly outsourced

[floral bone]

And yea this

[solar pine]

Enel got support that dodges Blackbeard

https://tenor.com/view/teddie-fall-to-ground-persona-4-golden-persona-gif-14096854572206569595

[atomic tulip]

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[solar pine]

Fellas if you have any interest in this game and it has a super prerelease like one piece did: st01 super prerelease Luffy goes for £100, the winner promo for winning the super prerelease goes for £1000+

[unreal whale]

i just preordered myself the Grand Archive Diao Chan Re:Collection deck

[rough herald]

anyone ever played the digital card game Kards?

[arctic fable]

Oh baby they brought my boys back

https://tenor.com/view/i-kneel-kneel-kneeling-avgn-angry-videogame-nerd-gif-25509746

[naive steppe]

as much as I like Gundam I do hope that I can get my hands on Ultraman card game

[solar pine]

If we can maneuver the game into allowing all language cards to be played we may clutch this

[fickle flint]

Saw elestrals cards in the wild being played at my locals for the first time

[solar pine]

Dead game

[wicked oak]

oh yeah that's not good

it's way too early for them to introduce rotation

this kind of thing kills games

[woeful panther]

is 4 years in too early

most card games fail in the first 2

[wicked oak]

they're way too early to have a large enough playerbase to sustain multiple formats

so usually what happens when games implement rotation too early is that neither the rotating or nonrotating formats end up having a large enough playerbase to sustain either, which ends up killing the whole game

this is what ended up killing kaijudo

and almost killed magic when they first introduced standard

[final gulch]

it's why digimon despite having blocks doesn't do rotation

[plain tundra]

Kaijudo was in a bad spot regardless given they had very strong good-cards.deks

One piece also announced a new banlist that people are definitely split on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350788735578411028/1350789555040817185/Screenshot_20250316_063937_Discord.jpg?ex=67d8044e&is=67d6b2ce&hm=c47a4127f12babe8e09e202259bed1a269e86a053dd9d0f1c911ccee6406d3de&

[dusty horizon]

Bandai already puts out too many TCGs. Their player base is so fractured

[plain tundra]

Gecko needed a ban back in OP7 or OP8, but had gotten to the point of not being considered a major problem. Ban at this point is mainly for its role in Lucci and BY Luffy.

Jinbe ban more or less puts Doffy in the dirt, but people were hoping for a less extreme nerf in banning Law from the same deck.

Ice Age was banned for being too strong of a 1-cost.

Kingdom Come ban is for Enel, but honestly most are happy about this.

What is missing from the list entirely is blue Pudding.

[plain tundra]

This is definitely the biggest issue especially after Bandai fest showed they had no desire to stop. DBZBSS is effectively dead and their response was to make Gundam.

[dusty horizon]

Ice Age + Moria is probably too much for black to be hit at the same time. Blackbeard still is a top deck but, other black decks are on life support

[plain tundra]

Yeah that’s the major worry in that Blackbeard is now almost unchecked

People thought Usopp was a check but online he has been lackluster against BB

[dusty horizon]

Boa was a good Anti-Meta deck that helped go againist BB but, no Jinbe kills the deck

[plain tundra]

RG Smoker isn’t half bad against it as is Belo Betty

Betty got a lot better with Doffy gone and Enel nerfed

[dusty horizon]

Doffy isn't tier 1 anymore but, it probably is still a good deck

[plain tundra]

Jinbe hit is huge as Law effectively can’t grant insane early advantage anymore

[dusty horizon]

RIP Buggy. Days after it becomes an actual deck, Doffy gets hit

[plain tundra]

If Betty shows up to bat, Buggy still has purpose

Oh right I forgot, Gum Gum Giant is gonna dominate EB02 onward. That probably could’ve had a ban tbh

[dusty horizon]

Blue Purple Luffy and Green Purple Luffy got through just fine.

Blue Purple Luffy might end up as a tier 0 deck at this point

[cinder raven]

Why are they doing this, btw?

Like was there a cry about some stuff being broken from the old sets and/or newer sets being lower power in comparision, or is it just we like money?

[dusty horizon]

I think they just planned this from the begining and now that East and West are being merged, it is the time to do it

A lot of people were confused why the cards were seperated into to blocks with little reason to do so before today

[naive steppe]

I have heard people say same about SWU when it comes to highest rarity cards of that game

[plain tundra]

Just went to my first One piece prerelease

That format needs a leader banlist more than Standard does

[solar pine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-op-sanji-sanji-vinsmoke-sanji-one-piece-gif-7026759623885342994

[plain tundra]

Yuuuuup

[solar pine]

Rock paper scissors format

[plain tundra]

So I’m just gonna get a Sanji leader in the future

0-3 with RG smoker leader

Only pull was SR Doffy

What a waste

[solar pine]

Honestly just sign up for the prerelease, get your early packs and leave

The games are so boring

And the winner promo is like £10 normally

[solar pine]

One pieces first tier 0 meta

[plain tundra]

UP Luffy will hopefully get something of a preemptive ban because Japan’s meta for it is miserable

TLDR; UP Luffy uses its first 3 turns to get to 8 Don, then for the rest of the game it essentially gets an excavate/add and stack before normal draw, making its resource gain insane compared to any deck. 9c Blue Sanji + 9c purple Big Mom + 8c Purple Katakuri allow the deck to put up really strong offense and defense at the same time.

The decks that can compete against it are mostly Zoro, Betty, Blackbeard, RG Smoker, and GP Luffy. 3 of those aim to kill UP Luffy by turn 4. Blackbeard aims to floodgate and put up bodies too big for UP Luffy to deal with. RG Smoker attempts to staunch a lot of play through green 8c Kid, then use Hody to rest down boards to help kill.

[plain tundra]

What the actual hell is Rayleigh Leader

Silvers Rayleigh
Red Leader
5 Life / 5000 Power (Slash)
Former Roger Pirates
OP12-001

Per the rules, you cannot have cards with a cost of 5 or greater in your deck.

[Activate: Main][Once Per Turn] You may reveal 2 event cards from your hand: Give up to one of your characters with a base power of 4000 or less +2000 power for this turn.

what kind of support are they planning for this thing this leader's effects are horrible

[solar pine]

Legit if the new cards are bad this might dethrone Cora as worse leader

[plain tundra]

Cora? Like Rosinante?

[solar pine]

Yeah

[plain tundra]

Nah

the blocker effect is a straight benefit given his restand and you can still use that to protect smaller stuff like Tashigi or 2c rosi

I'd say it's between Blue Croc and Purple Shanks. Big Don- costs for limited effects. I'd argue Blue Croc since he's also completely crept by 2 other leaders.

Not counting the errata leaders

If the support is that bad Rayleigh definitely takes worst leader. At least other leaders could play generic good cards

[dusty horizon]

Rosinante has semi-conistent tops in the East

[hasty storm]

wow they printed a worse belo betty

[dusty horizon]

This might be an april fools joke

[solar pine]

WHAT THE FUCK

Infinite draw ig??

[plain tundra]

Me when I hard counter a leader from the same set

(Rayleigh found washed up, more at 11)

[short matrix]

The powercreep. 😭
(New card on the left, Opochtl and old card on the right, Xihucoatl)

[flat drift]

the riftbound intro decks set thing has acrylic figures for champs, cute

[solar pine]

my partner found the meta counter

[atomic tulip]

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[solar pine]

So one piece tcg has a new issue that I'm not sure how it's going to be ruled on

There's a deck called lim that runs a card called orochi, it costs 1 and is basically just a one drop with 2k counter that deck thins by searching for a card that isn't actually useful but it's deck thinning none the less. Lim likes 1 drops as well because it's more characters to rest to trigger the Odyssey characters effects.

However, because you drop orochi turn 1 and then search, you can immediately tell which cards are in your life via what cards are missing in your hand and deck

[plain tundra]

From the One Piece TCG rulebook:

All shuffles, searches and acts of adding specific cards from your deck to your hand must be carried
out in an expedient manner. Resolving card search and shuffle effects should take no longer than a
minute from the activation of a power to its full resolution.

Additionally keep in mind, note taking is not allowed in One Piece

[solar pine]

Ah so there's already a rule

Even so idk how I feel about a purple one drop giving you knowledge of your life

[plain tundra]

Pokemon, by contrast, not only allows note taking but also extra time for first search of a game specifically to prize check

[plain tundra]

This was also specific to exactly 2 people running this build. Lim normally does not play this

This was played at 1 local in Japan last Month and the only build to have success with it in Western was the winner at London Regionals

If you go through every list on gumgum.gg involving OP10 Lim or onward, you will find Orochi in 1 list. That list from Japan didn't even run the Smile fruit. He just used Orochi to look through the deck and failed search. The fruit event is used as discard fodder for Odessey Enel.

And given how little Lim has in drawpower and in bottom decking its own cards, the tech is specifically for life checking and figuring out what cards are in your life so you know what resources you are working with later.

Some people were discussing trying this in Yellow/Purple because it would give you knowledge of what triggers are coming up

Robin can also pitch the smile fruit for Don+

Robin's still a really bad deck this format regardless, as is Pudding and PY Croc. That doesn't improve in EB02 or OP11. In fact, yellow gets way worse by OP11.

[royal inlet]

@onepiece if someone wanted t otry the game for the first time, are there any 2 starter decks that are both fun to play and also a good starting point to upgrade for local play?

[solar pine]

The purple luffy starter deck is your best bet right now iirc

[royal inlet]

We're 2 people looking to try the game, do we both get ST18, or what other deck could we try

[solar pine]

St17 also isn't bad

[woeful panther]

The previous wave of 6 has a good few
Jot already said purple luffy (st18), the blue doflamingo one (st17) alongside it are prob the best two
black smoker (st19) and yellow katakuri (st20) are also decent options
all 4 of those decks can be upgraded to do well at locals/events

[solar pine]

I've been trying to make perona work with thriller bark pirates but man

The deck is so inconsistent and lacks so much

Even if it had gecko it'd be in a bad spot

[hybrid ingot]

https://www.polygon.com/gaming/566638/altered-tcg-print-on-demand-launch-price-availability

Fuck... Altered making a strong argument to play it

[solar pine]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BANDAI

[dusty horizon]

It's going to be so sad when you pull a SEC and it's the Bonney instead of this.

[plain tundra]

We’re finally free

No Luffy Manga

A lot of the reveals today were really good

You get a high cost blocker
And you get a high cost blocker
Everyone gets a high cost blocker

[unreal whale]

i still cant get over the fucking QR code on the Design of the card