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peak sky
obsidian flicker
What was the name of the disney tcg again?
marble tulip
lorcana
right?
im rly interested in elestra
the one adrive made
seems interesting
fickle flint
Well I guess I have a place to post my PvZ heroes screenshots now lmao
fickle flint
I am simply too good at this game that I can’t even handicap myself by making my deck entirely focused on RNG
brazen crystal
Anyone play marvel snap
exotic pelican
okay so
is the Genshin TCG worth playing
marble tulip
i rly wanna
brazen crystal
<@704734673703796940>
Look up good starting decks
Play enough games until you can build a decent kazoo deck to ladder pool 1 with
marble tulip
ok
brazen crystal
This was something I was able to do okay with very early on before I could build kazoo
Though in this specifically you probably play blue marvel over kazar whenever you get him
mortal topaz
anyone here play FFTCG?
hybrid ingot
Oh shit
final gulch
Bandai makes their what fourth TCG. And it's going to be a competitor to Weiss Schwartz
fickle flint
Wow they are literally just making off Weiss 2
fickle flint
Weiss but it might actually have a western audience
final gulch
And hopefully not stock art
fickle flint
Oh it’ll use stock art
acoustic meadow
Bandai makes their what fourth TCG. And it's going to be a competitor to Weiss S...
I love how its a bunch of anime
And then just random tales of arise
final gulch
Oh I was wondering who the random person was
final gulch
And then just random tales of arise
Wait is tales the eyepatch dude or the girl
acoustic meadow
Eyepatch dude
Aka the one with the obvious CG render
The girl is Im pretty sure one of those idol anime
final gulch
Ah lmao
acoustic meadow
Either way, Im shocked its not including Kirito
Oh wait
... its because Weiss Schwarz has the license isnt it
final gulch
... its because Weiss Schwarz has the license isnt it
Ye lmao
I don't care for the game itself, but best case maybe has actual art so worth to buy a single of whatever anime char I like
obsidian flicker
Bandai makes their what fourth TCG. And it's going to be a competitor to Weiss S...
bruh
no wonder Digimon's QC is down the gutter rn
final gulch
But god, Bamco please. Use that money to make an online client instead
obsidian flicker
they're falling into the exact same trap Bushiroad did
obsidian flicker
splitting their playerbase and teams multiple times doesn't work even in the short term
final gulch
At the least the digimon tcg itself is still fine and fun, but there is major creep lol
obsidian flicker
Remember Luck & Logic? or Dragonborne?
acoustic meadow
I imagine they just hire more every time
acoustic meadow
But god, Bamco please. Use that money to make an online client instead
Dragon Ball TCG is getting one sooo
Digimon might get one actually
final gulch
Remember Luck & Logic? or Dragonborne?
I do.
Luck and Logic's anime was ASS. And the art was SO HORNY
It made Vanguard look puritan
obsidian flicker
I thought Digimon already had a official online client confirmed
final gulch
Only hinted at
final gulch
Yeah no actual full on confirmation
obsidian flicker
I swear I read a press release or something to that standard about it
ngl playing on tabletop sim kinda not fun
I prefer physical remotes
final gulch
Ye fair. I don't got a locals so tts and co are my only choice
obsidian flicker
my local scene is... okay
its been the same 6 or so people but the game is struggling to pick up new players
But tbf every tcg is on a decline attendence wise here
at the very least the 6 that do play here are playing meta so I don't have to worry about getting whined at by casuals for playing to my own standards
When X Anti was the best deck we had someone built it just from prerelease stuff
same with Xros Heart
I don't know what their reaction was to both decks getting nuked not even a full month after they launched but they probably were pissed
fickle flint
God cycle cap is such an easy deck
Every time I play a minion, those asteroid looking mushrooms deal 1 damage each to the opponent that doesn’t fill that shield looking meter around their health
And then the environment they sit on will draw me a card because they dealt damage to the opponent
hybrid ingot
Ayy nice
acoustic meadow
Oh there wont be any more resets
So you keep your cards now
... shit thats tempting actually
Im not like
Super-interested in the current version because Ive played this version of the game a lot a few years back but
Building up cards for when we do get new stuff is tempting
Btw @hybrid ingot if you make an account, mind if you use my referral code?
Gives you 100 gold and gives me like a card pack when yo uget to silver
hybrid ingot
Will do
acoustic meadow
Oh I forgor to gave you my referral code didnt I
Tbh burn is easy to get, but full aggro Songhai needs some high rarity stuff
I did luck out into getting a boar and a spiral technique
You want 3 Boar, but 1 Spiral is enough
hybrid ingot
I need 3 boar, 3 artifact hunter, and a couple of the spells
What's the best way to farm packs?
acoustic meadow
Clear out the early faction levels
I think level 2 and 6 give you a pack
Then its just quests and winning games
hybrid ingot
Oh gotcha
acoustic meadow
Its kinda slow though
I got used to the new music faster than I thought I would
I do have to say
There is something to this "everyone just started, cards suck" level of gameplay that I do enjoy
Damn, lost a close game because I just couldnt find any burn
hybrid ingot
Trying to figure out which starter deck sucks the least
acoustic meadow
And now I think Im up against a whale
He has double Lantern Fox + Boar already
Lyonar or Vanar Id say
Early on big units are like, really powerful
And Lyonar gets most of its good units
hybrid ingot
True, Lyonar and Vanar feel okay
acoustic meadow
Yeah he was a whale
Had a full, proper deck lmao
Ok high silver is where you get the whales
solar pine
Anyone here play the DBS card game?
final gulch
Oh... the layout of the battle spirits saga cards are different
... I don't know if I like that
in comparison the original japanese version
It's also just a completely different effect, so that's odd
final gulch
yeah it's literally only
color, name and art
name does matter because Pentan is an archetype
the japanese version having the effect that it's treated as a specific card and special summoning another pentan mosnter from the hand
@acoustic meadow also the flavor text is also different
the Japanese text says
The descendant of the noble Pentan royal family looks to be doing well even now.
—A memo from Negotiator Mix—
final gulch
I was thinking it was gonna be like
slightly tweaking the cards
to add modern design
But this is just straight up
a different card
Now I'm really curious what my old boss monster will be like
because I don't know if she will even have her original gimmick
(A keyword literally only 3 cards in the game have)
acoustic meadow
Is it an insect
acoustic meadow
... yknow what, fair
final gulch
The keyword being Destructive Curse which is
the most bullshit
keyword ever
It's basically
acoustic meadow
I was tempted to go "ok Yuri" but I thought thatd be too mean
final gulch
if destroyed by battle or card effect, summon it back for free untapped
AND your opponent loses a life
in a game with 5 life
acoustic meadow
Oh that ... sounds crazy
final gulch
and here's the crazy thing
acoustic meadow
Im assuming non-destruction removal was rare
final gulch
3 colors have it
white bounces/spins
yellow does - power
purple can level you down to 0
final gulch
and here's the crazy thing
she can give every card with the curse keywod (basically MTG's deathtouch but slightly weaker in that it destroys whatever spirit blocked it) her keyword
if she's at level 3
So if you summon her late game
and have a weak 1 cost spirit on the field
you effectively got an infinite blocker
Despite this... the deck's not good lmao
Because most monsters with curse only have curse
And there's very few good curse support cards
So it's like running a deck of cards that are only barely above vanillas
And she's super expensive to get out too
final gulch
So if a majority of your cards only have an effect that destroys their blocker
iiiiit's like eh
But it's made up by the fact you run purple
so graveyard stuff and good removal
stupid on paper, but hard to actually pull off
in battle spirits a majority of my decks were purple lmao
final gulch
I did also run like green insect shit ye
buuut I don't remember the deck's boss monster
I just remember it was like
insects
I also had a green/red dinosaur deck
my last deck in the game was actually white
solar pine
Checking the set list for the DBS box I'm getting
Bruh why the fuck is cumber a secret rare in my super hero themed box
final gulch
yes
final gulch
pog
solar pine
I got the cell max secret rare 
fickle flint
I stg this deck is just autopilot once you drop planet of the grapes of wrath
naive steppe
is DBS TCG good game?
I haven't dared to try to get into it because of what I have heard about community
solar pine
What have you heard about the community? Also the game depending on the deck can be quite expensive but it's a nice blend of other games
naive steppe
that it's very much toxic
solar pine
I haven't experienced much about the community but I'll keep that in mind ig
obsidian flicker
that it's very much toxic
I don't play that tcg but I am curious: in what way?
brazen crystal
I have been informed that Marvel Snap has dinosaurs
Devil dinosaur is a pretty solid deck
Very strong early game and can be improved into later game as you unlock better cards
He’s a good boy 🙃
unreal whale
i just picked up 2 force of will starter decks
errant elm
Oh my god
I can't believe they put Scrawl into Duelyst II
Still having a lot of fun
acoustic meadow
Oh youre playing dooly?
Nice
Also the funny thing is that that card is not actually good
At least, not in draw 2
You draw too much baseline
acoustic meadow
This is my former main card game and a game I played for like 3-4 years
I mean hell, I was part of a group that got a card made in their honour
But yeah like, in aggro this cards too slow, in control you dont run out of cards, so this card kinda just lacks a niche
errant elm
I also played TF2 for years, didn't mean I was good at it 
acoustic meadow
Fair
In draw 1 it was decent, but then it got nerfed there
In draw 2 it was just always kind of a meme card, at beast youd play it in a full on burn deck, but even then you can play better cards
acoustic meadow
Yesn't?
errant elm
or is she winmore 
acoustic meadow
The probably best deck is Vanar running Jax and Razorback to basically OTK you with a bunch of ranged units
So everyone plays AoEs
They dont actually help because Vanar also plays a 1-cost that prevents spell damage for a turn but
You still play AoEs
And Swarm doesnt do well with AoEs
errant elm
and i can play them on 5 mana with the 0cost that pops to reduce my next summon by 2
!!!!!
acoustic meadow
I guess its alright when starting out
Sadly not a good card
Duelyst is a fast game, and control is strong
acoustic meadow
Lyonar removes it for 2
acoustic meadow
Ah yes
The strongest counterspell
Gun
Anyway I miss this card
It was so cool that we got a card for our little collective cipher-solving group
errant elm
are bloodborn spells things each general used to have in 1
acoustic meadow
Aye
errant elm
thought so
acoustic meadow
Sort of like weird hero powers that also count as spells
errant elm
2 bad they dont exist anymore
acoustic meadow
Came when they went from draw 2 to draw 1
They were ... kind of a mess in a lot of ways
They were both wildly imbalanced but also had a lot of really weird rules
Like how they cant be used til turn ... 2 or 3, I dont remember
And how they refresh every other turn
And how they are also actually spells
So if you play a card that says "put a copy of the last spell into your hand" it could put a bloodborn spell in your hand
Btw are you interested in playing Abyssian specifically?
errant elm
perhaps
they have the cutest generals
i used to be into vetruvian in d1 because he looked fucking sick
errant elm
I have the greatest taste
acoustic meadow
Depends
errant elm
every time I pick smthg up for the first time I'm always informed I picked The Worst Choice Possible
LMAO
acoustic meadow
Well
Vet is the worst now
However
Depending on when you played 1
It was also the best
Like it went from meh to broken to meh to broken to meh
errant elm
what about 2019 
acoustic meadow
Oh the game was already deaded
errant elm
ye but surely there was a hierarchy still smh
acoustic meadow
Uhh
Technically yes
But I dont think anyone bothered figuring it out after the game deaded
I do know that there was a good vetruvian strategy
So they were fine
As for 2017, that was around when Vetruvian was meh
It'd get support in the second half of 2017 that broke it again
acoustic meadow
Honestly rn Im just waiting for the first expansion of Dooly 2
Im kinda bored of the current meta
errant elm
except it isn't at all bc the first time i picked up league the champ that grabbed my eyes out of my head was TF
before TF sucked shit, like dopa was still around going wild
acoustic meadow
Anyway, for Abyssian you are gonna want to pick up at least 2 of this guy (ignore the cost, its wrong)
Its actually a 7 cost in the game and it is a very silly card
acoustic meadow
7 mana 6/6 that can attack immediately and also does face damage if it fights another minion
(Including if your opponent attacks it on their turn)
Theoretically yes, but I dont know of any Abyssian card that does that
errant elm
lame
acoustic meadow
But if you want celerity
errant elm
I was just joking about big guy doing 8 while clearing small guys on summon
errant elm
also I feel like Celerity using "activate" in its keyword explanation is so shit
acoustic meadow
And its very funny if you cheat it out with wraithlings + pact
errant elm
i didnt understand what that meant until i realised i could attack twice with grailmaster
just say attack ! ! !
unless it applies to movement too
acoustic meadow
Though it has to be move, attack, move, attack
errant elm
goofy ass wording
acoustic meadow
You cant do move, move, attack, attack
acoustic meadow
So the wording does have a purpose in showing that
errant elm
ok but maybe explain the keyword on the same card instead of . .not
if ur not just gonna write "This card can move and attack an additional time after attacking" or smthg
acoustic meadow
Yeah its a bit unintuitive
rancid brook
final gulch
Damn they turned my favorite 1 cost card into a vanilla
obsidian flicker
oh we getting Battle Spirits EN stuff finally?
final gulch
oh we getting Battle Spirits EN stuff finally?
Yeah, they've been revealing some cards, and the biggest surprise beyond the changed layout and how certain cards are just different for no reason is the fact the soul core is going to be a thing
obsidian flicker
Yeah, they've been revealing some cards, and the biggest surprise beyond the cha...
soul core is a newer gimmick, right?
I only vaguely know the game from watching rips of the animes on youtube lol
hybrid ingot
Is this the first pack? Because there's so much going on on that card
final gulch
soul core is a newer gimmick, right?
Ye. Soul Core was way more broken than ultimates as a gimmick and killed the game for me lmao
obsidian flicker
wait, what?
final gulch
Is this the first pack? Because there's so much going on on that card
The starter deck
hybrid ingot
Jesus
obsidian flicker
I thought Soul Core was like
a extra core that functioned as a normal core except for cards that cared about it
final gulch
Yeah but the cards used it for insane shit
Like my white deck had a card that using a soul core could bottom deck
The opponent's entire field
Sure you lost the soul core permanently, but you gained insane removal
final gulch
Jesus
Yeah, I am cautious since it's them using mechanics of later eras too
Like imagine if ygo finally came to the west after it died with the release of magic ruler originally but they introduce every gimmick at once
I would have kept it simple with only Burst cards
Since those are kinda simple
hybrid ingot
Yeah, I am cautious since it's them using mechanics of later eras too
Like imag...
Yeah that's what it looks like
final gulch
Tbf Ascend is like a era 1 keyword
But the soul core feels like a bad idea
Especially because it has other keywords slapped on jt like awaken too
But eh, maybe I am wrong
I just wanna play purple again
obsidian flicker
how good were Ultimates btw?
final gulch
Way too good lmao
The meta was ultimates or lose
My ultimate deck of choice was Beelzebeat turbo
obsidian flicker
given how Ultimate Zero presented them I can imagine
brazen crystal
@pallid wedge you play marvel snap right
exotic pelican
how easy is it to collect cards in Snap?
brazen crystal
how easy is it to collect cards in Snap?
The cardpool is divided into separate “Series” or “Pools” that you progress through. Currently there’s 5 pools (though everything after pool 3 kinda blends together tbh)
Pools 1 and 2 you can get through fairly quickly
Pool 3 is where things slow down a bit but if you do daily missions you can get cards at a decent rate
Plus the token shop allows you to buy specific cards sometimes, though it can be inconsistent
Tl;dr I’d say pretty easy up until a certain point but by that point you will have enough cards for a very playable deck anyway
Highly recommend it as a time waster
Been playing for like six weeks and I have most of the cards I need for the decks I want
exotic pelican
hmm
kinda tempting tbh
been on a Marvel (the franchise) kick lately
what's the space for creativity and experimentation
brazen crystal
what's the space for creativity and experimentation
There’s a decent amount
Yeah there’s a meta and certain decks can be stronger than others but overall most coherent decks can contend with one another
Also there’s a decent amount of rng involved so that affects things, though not enough that it becomes super frustrating since games are only like 3-4 mins
I have like 5 different decks revolving around devil dinosaur lmao
brazen crystal
I only spend money on the season passes
Buying other stuff with money seems kinda wack tbh because the amount of money is kinda lol but the game is fairly f2p friendly
The season passes are worth it tho
Extra rewards and access to a series 5 card early
exotic pelican
Maybe I'll give it a whirl
It's competing with a lot of things for my time unfort
brazen crystal
Fair, I just play it when I’m on the train or in my downtime at work
exotic pelican
Speaking of season passes
How much time investment do they take?
brazen crystal
I’ve only ever bought two
brazen crystal
Each time it took like 2.5 weeks
exotic pelican
How long do they run?
brazen crystal
A month
The season pass cards they give you are also usually pretty good
Last month was silver surfer which was strong af
pallid wedge
<@268928467968589826> you play marvel snap right
Yea I do
pallid wedge
Last month was silver surfer which was strong af
Zabu is looking even crazier
Expecting it to warp the format as hard as surfer did ngl
pallid wedge
what's the space for creativity and experimentation
A lot, game is very forgiving in the building end since it's the one game where you can call a deck with a below 50% winrate successful, so a lot of combos that probably shouldn't be that good end up being very viable to climb with
Main example being Mr. Negative(well except the silver surver variant, that version is just consistent lol)
A lot of top decks tend to be kinda flexible with the exception of destroy
As well
Sera gives you a lot of room to experiment with
Discard has a lot of interesting options, specially the hela variant
Surfer is a super splashable card so it's also really nice and let's you do a lot with it
Well... Less splashable and more so you change the entire building philosophy to accomodate him because he's that insane
That it becomes worth
brazen crystal
Zabu is looking even crazier
Yeah I’ve been told Zabu is insane but I don’t really have the cards to take advantage of it besides “muh good 4 drops”
Once I pull drac I’ll start playing around with it
Also is it me or does triskelion always spawn Agatha in your hand
pallid wedge
Yeah I’ve been told Zabu is insane but I don’t really have the cards to take adv...
Fair enough
fickle flint
I wish I had people to play PvZ heroes with
But a CCG with 4 sets and no further support is a hard sell
fickle flint
Behold, objectively the single best and most consistent deck in card game history
true tiger
Any of you played the One Piece tcg? A lot of players around my area that it got me interested to look into it
obsidian flicker
Any of you played the One Piece tcg? A lot of players around my area that it got...
I played at Super Prerelease, I think the gameplay is fun but the turnoff for me is the nonexistent art direction
brazen crystal
Any of you played the One Piece tcg? A lot of players around my area that it got...
Half of the players at my locals switched to it from ygo bc current sucks
It seems to be picking up traction
true tiger
I played at Super Prerelease, I think the gameplay is fun but the turnoff for me...
meh i already have other tcgs to collect for art haha
true tiger
Half of the players at my locals switched to it from ygo bc current sucks
yeah same a good amount of ygo players are playing it. last locals had enough to make it a 5 round tournament
obsidian flicker
the gameplay is fun for sure
apparently my LGS is hosting events for it which is a good sign
true tiger
thats good. it definitely seems more popular atm than digimon or dbz and those been around for a bit
who knows if it has staying power. do you guys have any recommendations on what to pick up if i were to start one piece?
brazen crystal
who knows if it has staying power. do you guys have any recommendations on what ...
I don’t know that much about it but apparently they have structure decks that ive been told are decent starting points
cunning scaffold
Any Pokémon tcg players?
buoyant plover
They sent you the wrong thing
mortal topaz
@opaque vector Saw you were interested in battle spirits?
im a huge battle spirits guy if you're interested in being pilled
understood
its now 50 cards with 4 copies
also its a soft remake instead of playing catchup
theres some rule touchups
no braves, ultimates or grandwalkers yet
this might be slight cope but since bandai is REALLY pushing for this to be their competitive card game/putting the most money into it and the fact one piece, digimon and dragon ball have all the collectors bait, this game will probably be super cheap
opaque vector
If you could pick a TCG Anime World to live in, what would it be?
naive steppe
maybe Cardfight world during overdress since world isn't in danger
obsidian flicker
either one of MTG planes or Buddyfight imo
acoustic meadow
I cant think of a single MTG plane that wouldnt suck to live in ngl
Anyway Cardfight seemed to just be our world but with that game being the big™️ thing so
That I guess?
obsidian flicker
I cant think of a single MTG plane that wouldnt suck to live in ngl
it really depends as what you end up as, and where
human on Innistrad? you're fucking screwed
on Dominaria? maybe not so much
Buddyfight is basically real life but having monster buddies is normalized and accepted
acoustic meadow
Dominaria still has like
The Cabal, the demons and shit
Strixhaven might be ok-ish?
obsidian flicker
I feel like there's only a few planes where you're basically dead on arrival
mainly New Phyrexia, Innistrad, Zendikar(especially post Roil shenanigans)
for the former two its external threats(Phyrexians, Zombies, Vampires, Werewolfs, etc) for the latter the landscape changes so much so often you'd struggle to survive without proper gear and lilekly wouldn't be able to settle down in one place for long
final gulch
Anyway Cardfight seemed to just be our world but with that game being the big™️ ...
Nah the game is real in the series
acoustic meadow
... that mustve happened in the later series
final gulch
So after season 1 you can have world ending threats
acoustic meadow
I feel like there's only a few planes where you're basically dead on arrival
Dead on Arrival, no, but in most planes you wont have a brilliant life exactly
... actually Kaladesh is probably fine
final gulch
I mean even season 1 has some of it.
The bullshit psychic powers allow you to influence the planet where the vanguard lore takes place in
obsidian flicker
yeah Vanguard has a thrid planet called Cray which is where everything actually happens
final gulch
Also at some point in the sequel series some of the monsters start possessing humans
obsidian flicker
its dumb lore tbh
final gulch
The lore wasn't bad, but got way too convoluted
obsidian flicker
you have to go out of your way to understand it because the anime doesn't really go out of its way to emphasise the relavent parts
final gulch
Because it also had to tie into the anime
Yeah the anime isn't good at doing the lore
obsidian flicker
they mostly just go "oooh psyqualia oooo diffriding oooo brandt"
psyqualia specifically is like
acoustic meadow
Yeah ok Kaladesh is probably a good plane to live in now
obsidian flicker
barely elaborated on
acoustic meadow
Since the issue was just Tezzeret and Bolas corrupting the council
But that was fixed™️ and we havent gone back to it yet
final gulch
Like how did it take so fucking long for popular lore character, Chaos Breaker Dragon to actually be anime relevant
obsidian flicker
imagine living on Amonket post Bolas
the worst part about the Vanguard lore in writing vs the anime is that it rarely lines up
acoustic meadow
Tbh we dont really know Amonkhet post-Bolas
obsidian flicker
like I remember there was this one chapter about Overlord just yeeting himself into the Star Vader base and taking down everyone to find Blaster Joker
final gulch
Also the random reveal in season 3 the one dude was actually Ezel the whole time lmao
But the lore never dealt with him being possessed
obsidian flicker
and all the chapters in G Z alluding to fucking that one unit being the vessel only to go nope actually nevermind it Luard
its not like...
awful?
its just not well executed either
its the exact opposite of how Yugioh's lore works rn: the anime directly influences the card exlusive lore, not the other way around
final gulch
Eh, tcg and anime are not related at all for the lore
For ygo
Bushiroad tcg animes were like one of the few actually trying to tie them, but they often went too far to the point the anime dictates the lore
Also there was one tcg whose name I forgot whose lore and anime were affected by real tournaments
acoustic meadow
Yeah ygos anime mostly has lore-less archetypes
Or at least
Without a bigger lore behind it
Albaz is unique to the card game for example
hybrid ingot
Isn't the Shadowverse anime the safest bet?
There's no world ending threats, just people playing a tcg
naive steppe
they mostly just go "oooh psyqualia oooo diffriding oooo brandt"
which is why I said during overdress because it doesn't have any of that
including there not being any huge stakes and risk of world ending
hybrid ingot
Also in Shadowverse you can get like 10 million dollars for being good at a tcg
Low risk, high reward
naive steppe
if I am not mistaken Rage of the Bahamut and Luck & Logic are only card game anime that take place in game's world
okay maybe ZX anime as well but that one does it odd way by bringing all 5 worlds to human world and giving characters devices that allows them to use creatures from those worlds
hybrid ingot
Oh wait I forgot about the card in the Shadowverse anime that can kill you
But like 1 dude has it
obsidian flicker
Buddyfight kinda as well
you have the whole Future/Disaster Force thing going on where you can weaponize the catds
(even though the concept is dumped entirely after Hundred and barely elaborated on)
naive steppe
Buddyfight world seems fun in that you could have your own monster buddy
obsidian flicker
the funniest thing is that most people have just random common monsters as their buddy
naive steppe
#JacknifeDragon4life
obsidian flicker
then you have people that pull BRs from packs
naive steppe
yeah, Gao pulled Drumbunker Dragon from his very first booster
others like that one kid from Ace didn't seem to get one no matter what
I guess it's in a way realistic
obsidian flicker
it seems like you don't inheriently need a br to have a buddy monster
like that one random dude that had Shadow Dragon as his buddy
or like.. literally all of the WBC Cup fodder 1-ofs
but a BR card is naturally more unique to the person that pulls it
buoyant plover
including there not being any huge stakes and risk of world ending
OD with Dragontree seems to be leaning towards it though
fickle flint
This is what happens when you don’t mulligan the 5 cost 2/2 that says “when played, for the rest of the game, all your minions have +1/+1
And then you draw the third copy
And then you play the card that says “give all your minions +1/+1, also if they kill an enemy they attack again, also shuffle 3 copies of this card into your deck”
This is such a dumb card
brazen crystal
@pallid wedge I stg she shows up every time triskelion pops
brazen crystal
EVERY FUCKING TIME
obsidian flicker
my collection of random TCG sealed junk grows 
willow zealot
please tell me someone plays shadowverse
unreal whale
please tell me someone plays shadowverse
i plan on playing the IRL version when it releases
anyone seen this new TCG thats releasing this year?
naive steppe
neat, new TCG
unreal whale
neat, new TCG
theres too many being released
obsidian flicker
theres too many being released
eh can't say I agree
what's happening rn is more tcgs are managing to break into the market and succeed vs releases in general
One Piece TCG, Digimon TCG, Keyforge, etc
Disney's TCG offering would have to blunder extremely hard to fail
On the flip side, I can name more tcgs that have released, gain some traction in the west, but either died or have issues preventing them from being more popular:
Buddyfight/Vanguard(for Vanguard its lack of product distribution and stores not wanting to carry it which repeats into a cycle of "nobody is playing the game -> stores aren't carrying product because the margin of just breaking even is too low -> why should I buy into it if nobody is playing it"
Battle Spirits
Gate Ruler
Weiss Schwarz
etc
fickle flint
Tbh I’m expecting Disney’s tcg to succeed for collectors but not actually players
Who knows though
naive steppe
Lorcana has something that most TCGs don't have, Disney IP which is well known global brand
so it has good chances to succeed
fickle flint
I’m positive it’ll succeed for collectors
But if it develops and maintains a playerbase is another thing
fickle flint
I’m amazed at how active the PvZ heroes community is
The game is at the point where it’s run out or ranked seasons to automatically run through but folks are still eagerly playing it
flat drift
Battle spirits seems to be going for the fab approach to things but with actual money behind the company
The game itself seems pretty fun tbh, at least the first set (haven’t check in on the older game’s sets yet)
unreal whale
Tbh I’m expecting Disney’s tcg to succeed for collectors but not actually player...
i expect it to be a niche pokemon type thing where its more collectors than players
fickle flint
Exacrlt
acoustic meadow
What even is that?
opaque vector
The Jerma card game
fickle flint
I love the goat deck so much
fickle flint
Context; goat is a 0 cost 1/1 that gets +1/+1 every time any goat gets hurt
hollow panther
So what's this battle spirits saga about then
floral bone
I just found out that this western animated show called huntik that only ran very briefly actually had a card game
kinda funny
wicked oak
they're adding hellshake yano to duel masters
how will any other card game ever compete with this
naive steppe
I just found out that this western animated show called huntik that only ran ver...
oh yeah I have heard about that one
I had no idea that it was even thing back then
floral bone
i was really into that show as a kid for its brief lifespan
brazen crystal
@pallid wedge why are all my pool 4 unlocks doodoo
pallid wedge
Lmao, yea mbaky is just RIP
Mbaku*
They really need to make this card do something else if it does pull off the summon condition
It's genuinely so unlikely why you just get angel out of it?
brazen crystal
They really need to make this card do something else if it does pull off the sum...
My idea to buff it was to make it a 1/1 that starts at the bottom of the deck
But that might be too strong?
Probably makes Chavez unplayable
unreal whale
yep
lusty crown
I thought Dress era fixed the secondary market issues
unreal whale
ehhh thing is tho
Premium and V format still exist
Premium format is the one with Strides
though Bushiroad thought it was a good idea to just transfer Gear Chronicle and Messiah into OverDress
V is the format with the lil reboot they did
lusty crown
yep
unreal whale
idk why they tought it was a good idea to make a Clan only for Striding in OD
lusty crown
I guess to do that homage for the D era
to be honest thought I don't get why Messiah has that limitation crest
where as Chrono Jet doesn't have it
unreal whale
i thought about buying the Chrono Jet Stride Deck set
but glad i didn't cause Vanguard is like sinking slowly
lusty crown
how so I thought it was healthier than ever
lusty crown
okay beyond a lacking local competitive scene
I still don't see why it struggles getting local competitive scenes even with all the quality of life changes
unreal whale
might be Bushiroads lack of advertising
if Bushiroad advertised better, then i feel Vanguard would be a bit more popular locally
unreal whale
i've been leaning more into playing Flesh and Blood competitively lately
lusty crown
kinda curious on trying an ECG
since in hindsight the secondary market aspect is my least favorite aspect of the tcg genre
unreal whale
idk how to feel about ECGs tbh
i guess the only technically ECG i play is Speed Duel
but thats kind of barely hitting that ECG edge
would Speed Duel even be considered a ECG tho?
lusty crown
I mean there is a secondary market and randomized packs
ecgs are designed so players just need to get the product once to play as they feel fit
unreal whale
wasnt there a LCG that forced you to buy the same product more than once to actually be able to build a deck?
kind of like how if you wanted to build a somewhat valid yugioh deck you can just buy 3 structure decks
idk i just kind of find LCG/ECG's kind of weird
lusty crown
its mainly Fantasy Flight's handling of its games that have given the subgenre a bad rap
unreal whale
ahh i see
i recently got some Force of Will starter decks
didn't know it was still around
on life support
lusty crown
kinda though it kinda didn't care too much about being stuck in niche land
naive steppe
it has always been bit of niche TCG
hybrid ingot
They revealed some of the "color pie" for Lorcana
Let's start with the terminology! The different colors of cards in Lorcana are called Inks. There are 6 colors of ink - Ruby (red), Sapphire (blue), Steel (gray), Emerald (green), Amber (orange), and Amethyst (purple).
acoustic meadow
I wonder if steel is its own colour or just colourless
Either one works, though 6 colours honestly makes the most sense
acoustic meadow
Oh its made by Ravensburger?
acoustic meadow
Thats ... interesting
Theyre good at boardgames, quite very good even
But card games is not really something they usually do?
acoustic meadow
The niche magic has no competition in isnt one Lorcana aims at
hybrid ingot
Yeah true, but magic could use competition that actually does anything
acoustic meadow
In what sense?
Because FnB and YGO both exist, for two different niches
The issue is that magic is too established to care about competition, at least in the US and most of europe
flat drift
Huh maybe the leak about it being like the one piece mana system is true since ink was in that leak
naive steppe
The issue is that magic is too established to care about competition, at least i...
that is very much true to point that WotC/Hasbro can pretty much do with it what ever they want from they ivory tower without any consequences
lusty crown
To be fair Locorna have the power of Disney at their side
Then again maybe it could still flop since that’s what happened to that playmation thing
And Disney infinity also ultimately fell with the toys to life extinction
fickle flint
I fully expect it to flop within 2 years
naive steppe
if they handle it properly then power of Disney branding can carry it well
fickle flint
Yeah but I don’t think it’ll be a proper competitor for the “big 3”
wicked oak
i think it will do fine for the same reason the pokemon card game does fine
the majority of the people who buy pokemon cards don't actually play the tcg, they just buy it because it's merch of a thing they like
flat drift
Depends on if lorecana is going to have great alt art treatment
lusty crown
I do hope what ever mechanics Locorna brings will be interesting.
Getting sick of the magic clones that dominate the industry
flat drift
Same but it’s a shame that mana is such a solid system
wicked oak
tbh i think a ton of games have done better versions of mtg's resource system
duel masters and force of will come to mind
naive steppe
DM really inspired lot of modern TCGs while FoW is pretty much using Bleach CCG's mana system
flat drift
Those 2 are considered magic clones by most people since they still use a scaling mana system (albeit how you get the mana is slightly different)
acoustic meadow
FoW is
DM, not sure
Scaling mana system however isnt really a magic clone thing tbqh
wicked oak
dm doesn't really play much like magic
the combat is totally different and there are no instant speed effects
naive steppe
besides of it's mana system DM didn't introduce TCG world to gold standard as far as life decking goes
wicked oak
tbh i really dislike how dm's life system works
the comeback mechanic is so strong that it disincentivizes attacking unless you can win the game on that turn
and that combined with the lack of instant speed effects and most creatures not being able to block means it's really hard to actually interact with your opponent's stuff
naive steppe
think it this way, before DM life decking usually worked way that you milled cards from top of your deck equal to damage meaning that you won't be able to use those cards
I really don't like that at principle
lusty crown
I think build divide did it kinda better with a balance
there is a chance of getting beneficial cards on the field with the shots and a chance of taking more damage with the busters (the busters having more power to compensate for this ruling)
plus BD is definitely more focused on players getting to do stuff on the opponent's turn
you know I wonder why more games don't do anything with turn count
the best I can tell is what Dino King did
naive steppe
Naruto CCG used turn count as way to allow players play more and more powerful cards
basically if your turn count was 3 for example you could play cards with 0-3 size
lusty crown
Oh it did cool
obsidian flicker
Personally I liked Buddyfight's size and gauge mechanics
lusty crown
yeah those were neat too
naive steppe
yeah it was good one
Weiss also has similar system
it just happens to be combination of CFV's drive check mechanic and BF's gauge mechanic
lusty crown
What is a unique playstyle you found in any tcg
brazen crystal
I’ve never played it but Marvel snap has galactus which is really funny even if it is easy to counter
flat drift
Wait hol up battle spirits saga is pulling out all the stops
Kripp and now matpat are sponsored by them
Truly the raid shadow legends of card games 
wicked oak
i hope it goes well
the game didn't really get much of a chance the first time they tried to bring it over
it's a pretty good game if you ignore the horrendous powercreep it's had over the past few years
flat drift
Yeah the game itself is pretty good going off of gameplay from the base set
naive steppe
even some MtG youtubers like PleasantKenobi have made video about it
flat drift
MtG youtubers kinda makes sense
Especially the ones that also covered FaB
But matpat getting sponsored by a relatively unknown card game is 
final gulch
it's a pretty good game if you ignore the horrendous powercreep it's had over th...
Wym me bottomdecking my opponent's entire board is fair
God I miss Battle Spirits, but the power creep was insane
wicked oak
people complain about yugioh's powercreep but battle spirits was so much worse about it
if your game has a resource system, there shouldn't be consistent otk decks
the whole point of having a resource system is so that doesn't happen
also contract is a horrible mechanic and i have no idea why they made it but i hope they don't put it in saga at any point in the future
final gulch
Genuinely feel saga is gonna go nuts too. Because they're already adding SO MANY of the mechanics in
Rather than dripfeed it
I still don't know wtf Merduk does. Just show me if destructive curse is in the game cowards
wicked oak
i like that they're bringing over the soul core though, i think that that's a really interesting way of handling hard opt effects
lusty crown
I’ve never played it but Marvel snap has galactus which is really funny even if ...
what does galactus do?
naive steppe
Matpat what...
it does really shows that he does anything for money
and I mean anything
lusty crown
maybe
brazen crystal
what does galactus do?
Kinda hard to explain but basically snap revolves around 3 lanes with different effects, and you need to win control of 2/3 of them to win the game over the course of 6 turns
Each card has a “power” and a energy cost, along with various effect(s), and you win a lane by having the most power in that lane
Galactus is a card that, when it’s revealed in a lane, destroys the other two lanes and any cards in them if it is the only card on your side in that lane
also has a sick animation
It’s a high resource investment but it’s very fun to pull off
wicked oak
also what makes contract bad
having a card that you are guaranteed to open every single game makes combo decks way too consistent
especially when those cards are the centerpiece of your archetype
also while i was looking at the wiki i found out this card's name is "gluttonous joe, the assailant"
why is he gluttonous if he is a robot
hybrid ingot
Yo it's V1 Ultrakill
acoustic meadow
He needs a lot of fuel for those 3 guns
final gulch
also while i was looking at the wiki i found out this card's name is "gluttonous...
Where did he come from, and where did he go?
acoustic meadow
... so apparently another card game I used to play is getting revived this year
... also one with a mix of regular card game stuff and Tactical RPG stuff
final gulch
... also one with a mix of regular card game stuff and Tactical RPG stuff
There was another???
acoustic meadow
Yep
final gulch
I only knew Duelyst lmao
acoustic meadow
Shardbound
It was ... different to Duelyst
You can check it out on steam to get a vague idea
But it involved random maps, high-ground and blocking terrain, and had a 3d artstyle
And yeah apparently its coming back, hopefully they make it work, I kinda liked it
acoustic meadow
Wrong chat
acoustic meadow
God Im so mad that Shardbound is getting turned into "web3" bullshit
The playerbase thats gonna attract is awful
final gulch
I would wait yeah
Like I don't know much about the reboot itself
I just keep my eyes on it a little
hollow panther
<@131023596607897600>
I too have been looking at bss
Comes out next month for me here
Me and a friend thinking of picking up a couple structures to try it out
flat drift
It’s pretty fun
When more stores pick it up I might pick up singles for it but for now I’ll either hold off or just play with proxies
brazen crystal
@pallid wedge out of curiosity how far are you into pool 3
fickle flint
LETS GOOOOOOO
pallid wedge
<@268928467968589826> out of curiosity how far are you into pool 3
Pretty much done with it bar a few things like human torch still missing
brazen crystal
Pretty much done with it bar a few things like human torch still missing
Nice
I just unlocked the last major thing I needed from p3 recently
(Doom)
Now I’m just waiting for stuff like bast to drop down and I’m basically set for a while
lusty crown
I wonder is Cygames self localizing Shadowverse
Or is that being done by Crunchyroll
unreal whale
Wait hol up battle spirits saga is pulling out all the stops
did you see they also go Avril Lavigne?
unreal whale
I wonder is Cygames self localizing Shadowverse
its Bushiroad i believe sadly...
naive steppe
more info about Lorcana https://articles.starcitygames.com/lorcana/first-gameplay-details-for-disneys-lorcana-tcg-revealed/?utm_content=244778054&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-174376972917
obsidian flicker
more info about Lorcana https://articles.starcitygames.com/lorcana/first-gamepla...
hmm, feels similar to Bakugan TCG ngl
wicked oak
aren't they completely rebooting the bakugan tcg again
like completely changing the rules because the last one died
obsidian flicker
yeah they did that in 2019... right before covid
and they haven't made any sets since covid started
so the tcg is in a sorta limbo state
where its actively supported in toys... but not actual sets
naive steppe
Bakugan TCG seems like mismanaged mess
wicked oak
i remember watching the old bakugan show when i was a kid and noticing the powercreep happen in real time
like during the first season 250 power was a huge number
but then during the second season they'd regularly go to 300+
obsidian flicker
ngl I forgor like half of the plot
even though Bakugan was my online namesake for actual decades
hybrid ingot
Towards the end, they had like 800+
wicked oak
bruh
naive steppe
lol looks at his vanguard going over 40k in power
oh right I almost forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTxtHxHuHWE&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege
and yes Red Zone was playing
acoustic meadow
Interesting
It's using the I think DM system of mana
But the core gameplay is taken from Keyforge
Which is kinda cool
wicked oak
it's not quite the dm system
it's more like the double faced lands from zendikar rising
you can't use every card as mana, only the ones with the ink circle on them
acoustic meadow
Is that not how DM works?
Oh I see
But yeah gameplay and wincon is very Keyforge
Which is cool, Keyforges systems were nice
hybrid ingot
So the best strat is just turbo guys
wicked oak
the really wack part of the original digimon card game is that the japanese version didn't do that
they changed it to use victory points in the english version and it completely fucked up the balance
final gulch
Yeah
The OG Digimon tcg remained huge in Japan
Until they killed it off
And fwiw it has one of my favorite mana systems ever
hybrid ingot
Oh god I just realized this is all the bad parts of commander built in
final gulch
the worst one is Pokémon tbh, the game needs to cheat to make that one work
hybrid ingot
There's really not much incentive to actually interact with and attack your opponents tbh
You're best just turtling off and doing your own thing until you win
final gulch
Yeaaaaaah, oof
hybrid ingot
So it'll literally be like casual commander in that players will just sit there and try and gather their win without interaction and complain when you do
Now will Disney print counterspells or murders
final gulch
Mfw even I could probably make a better tcg than Disney
hybrid ingot
True
Also I hate the weird hard limit on color combos
Why even have them if it's a hard limit
What it reads like to me is whatever the removal/control color combo is will be the best one
And people will complain if you play it, since casual play will be "I wanna do my own thing with no interaction"
acoustic meadow
So the best strat is just turbo guys
Knowing Keyforge, not neccessarily
Like I'm sure it didn't work with Digimon since it wasn't designed for it
But this system is what made Keyforge super cool
And why it was successful ... until Covid fucked everything up
hybrid ingot
Yeah I took that back after reading how little interaction there needs
Best strat is probably just control
acoustic meadow
That depends on balance
This actually naturally favours midrange since it has a resource system unlike Keyforge
Is my guess
Unironically this actually makes me almost excited for the game
Shame it's Disney
hybrid ingot
Reading the rules and everything we've seen, it favors uninteraction
So control wins you the game since they can't interact without shit
acoustic meadow
Don't think so tbh
Ok, now that Im home, I can explain a bit better
The trick is that you cant harvest without leaving your creatures open to combat
Err, quest
Which means its inherently difficult to win in an uninteractive way
Of course, you could build up a board that wins in one turn, but thats very slow and is open to being rushed down
So the trick comes down to questing while avoiding getting your board cleared out by combat
Else your opponent is gonna get a big lead
Throw in the natural conclusion of this design, effects that let you exert, effects that let you manipulate Lore, and effects that let you fight even ready units
And you get quite a lot of interaction
Like, my bias against Disney aside, this is genuinely a really neat gameplay system
Its also one that makes multiplayer much more balanceable
flat drift
I think the best comparison for the strat without taking into account resources is old school gwent
The game was all about going up points but there was a ton of interaction and tons of ways to just kill everything
floral bone
i dont really have a valuable opinion here other than at its core racing to points doesnt seem very fun for a comp card game
its nice for board games and family evening games
but hey maybe it is fun
flat drift
Tbh I don’t mind it if you think of each card dealing damage if tapped
true tiger
Its gotten popular and attracts scalper
floral bone
ye apparently one piece is popping off
absorbing the playerbase from the other bandai games
acoustic meadow
Whats the base gameplay system btw?
flat drift
Dragon ball but you get 2 mana a turn, have a separate deck for mana, and you can use unused mana to buff your attacks
acoustic meadow
I have no idea how DB works
obsidian flicker
Whats the base gameplay system btw?
basically imagine getting 2 guaranteed basic lands every turn that also have "attach this to a creature: give it +1/+0 during your turn only"
up to a maximum of 10
some elements of Digimon like "your life is a preset facedown pool of cards you place ay the beginning of the game" are here too
obsidian flicker
ye apparently one piece is popping off
my biggest gripe is the lack of art direction tbh and it being scalped makes me want to buy into it less so
maybe it has another Digimon moment idk
like it hasn't even been a year and the Starters were MSRP'd for... what? $10? $15 each?
its the exact same thing that happened at Digimon's beginnings and almost killed it
true tiger
I agree there’s some uncertainty if it’ll last or fade out like other card games but at least around me OP has a large dedicated crowd following more so than other new TCGs had at their beginning
So it makes me feel like it should last
true tiger
return
final gulch
Huh guess what I found at the mall
Didn't know it was already out
obsidian flicker
Huh guess what I found at the mall
Didn't know it was already out
wait I thought it came out later this month
unreal whale
Huh guess what I found at the mall
Didn't know it was already out
wtff they're not even supposed to be out till the 28th
marble tulip
YESSSSS
unreal whale
YESSSSS
apparently disney spoiled enough cards for us to make a mundane 60 card deck lol
marble tulip
that is so funny
opaque vector
My Grotto Beast arrived 
I'm still studying the rule book but it looks mega cute and fun
opaque vector
So far from studying the rule book and looking at other cards. It is very interesting. I'm already formulating decks and it looks like there's a lot of space for fun casual playstyle.
There's still some more in-depth rulings I don't understand but that'll come later.
Biggest complain so far is that almost all the holographic cards look bad
lusty crown
apparently a Thailand company wants to revive Buddyfight
obsidian flicker
apparently a Thailand company wants to revive Buddyfight
👀 ?
lusty crown
solar pine
My will to play the one piece card game goes down every time I look at red zoro
fickle flint
I love this card so much
flat drift
Because the official tutorial video was actually the same
They go through maybe 2 turns together then the experienced guy just OTKs the newbie out of nowhere
final gulch
Understandable but cringe
Like it absolutely makes sense because destructive curse is fucking broken so any support for it ends up having to be mid
The deck was never good because of it
OP boss monster for a deck thay can't get it out
But also, that's still pretty close to her original effect so it's still decent
The problem is however the fact you need even more cores than before making the deck Honestly even worse unless you get some ramp
This requires you to have 4-8 cores to play her and 6+ cores for her effect
And the moment you drop to 5 or less you lose the effect
I get it is to stop the infinite nature of the effect, but curse decks already struggle with basically everything
wicked oak
yeah this seems way too slow
final gulch
Who knows maybe the other cards they bring (since they also completely changed some cards) might help out
I get that again, the original is cracked
But making it slower is probably the worst decision
I would've rather have them come back tapped/exhausted
So you don't have "you can't attack or block ever"
I'll still mess with the game once the first set is out on like untap or tts but OOF
final gulch
In comparison the original
[LV1][LV2][LV3] Destructive Curse (When Destroyed by the Opponent)
By sending an opposing Life core to the Trash, this Spirit remains on the Field, refreshed.
[LV1][LV2][LV3] (Opposing Turn)
Give all your Spirits with Curse: Destructive Curse.
[LV2][LV3]
When your Spirit with Destructive Curse reduces the opposing Life, the core from the opposing Life is sent to the Void instead of Reserve/Trash.
They made it way slower
final gulch
Yeah not a huge fan of it
obsidian flicker
I think I'm definitinly gonna pick up some BS stuff but it does't feel super appealing
tbf all of my experience with the game has been through the anime
final gulch
I just wanna experience some nostalgia and then cry my deck is somehow even worse
Because wow they nerfed her
fickle flint
As it turns out
Every zombie getting +5/+5 forever is really good
lusty crown
Which version of counter play do you guys prefer in a tcg the chain system of games like Yugioh or the more restrictive system of games like Duel Masters
wicked oak
a chain or a stack is way better than what duel masters does
duel masters not having instant speed interaction is the main cause of why it's so repetitive imo
people blame the resource system for it but i think it would be fine if it weren't so hard to actually interact with your opponent's cards
not having instant speed effects makes it way harder to interact with what your opponent's doing and removes a ton of depth from the game
acoustic meadow
Chain systems are great
final gulch
I prefer chains over the stack tbh
flat drift
I prefer the stack because chains are more restrictive and building up weird stack interactions is funny
lusty crown
Actually not sure what is the difference between a chain and a stack
final gulch
The big thing about the stack is that more effects can be added to the stack before it's completely resolved
fickle flint
That sounds awful
acoustic meadow
Eh
Its different
But I do like it too
But MTGs negation system is also different
In YGO it would have massive implications and Im not sure it would be good
wicked oak
i prefer the stack since i feel like it's more intuitive
but yugioh was built with the chain in mind so chains work better for it
acoustic meadow
I think whether the stack or chains are more intuitive depends on what you started with
I find chains much more intuitive
final gulch
Ye same
obsidian flicker
yeah the only bad thing about chains is stuff wanting to interact with stuff in the middle but being unable to like Solemns
but its mostly minor
acoustic meadow
And tbh thats a downside and an upside
Chainblocking is cool, doesnt work with a stack
wicked oak
I find chains much more intuitive
i started with chains too but i still prefer the stack
acoustic meadow
Thats fair, even if I dont agree
wicked oak
based