Maybe, but idk if most of them have much space to be explored further
#Yugioh Lore Discussion
primal spire
jade iron
The only DT-related card I want is the return of Lara & Ulti-Gaiapelio
glacial dune
Don't forget the Main Deck Gusto Rampengu.
primal spire
I just want a good Qli link
jade iron
Gusto Rampengu would go hard
Some explanation as to what Qliphort Genius is also would go hard
primal spire
True!
stone prism
I just want good Ritual Beast support
hushed dune
https://vxtwitter.com/HAIZARAQ/status/1703572002953666607?t=VwET5_ffdCkl8UAxqFkQ7Q&s=19
Just saw that fanart and i am now wondering if the Labrynth staff are actually just Dolls or if it's just that persons headcanon
foggy lotus
Do they mention they're dolls?
Because if you're referring to the "porcelain maidens" thing I think they just mean they white as fuck
foggy lotus
Ooooh I see what you mean
Yeah I dunno if that was ever explained in VBEX so maybe it's just headcanon but that's cool 
lean surge
Konami will always find a way to retroactively add more DT LORE.
It doesn't even matter, if it doesn't make sense or too awkward to fit in the timeline, it was all offscreen until now. 
glacial dune
I live for the day that card gets its own Future Fusion.
halcyon crane
Might as well new boss monster
Considering out of all worm monsters only like 2-3 are considered good, any others might as well just brickwall
pearl obsidian
Some people think georgius might be the first dragunity due to being named similarly to saint george the dragon slayer
The wielder of ascalon in legend
jade iron
That'd be on the nose
viral orbit
Might as well new boss monster
but they got the A to Z thing
and i can't really think where another worm boss would fit in the story tbh
hushed dune
There are ü,ö and ä
But thats more specific to a Language and not just English I guess
halcyon crane
It doesn't have to be entirely new character, tho I would love a new alphabet for it
It could be retrain
Like instead of Zero, named it Worm Zilch
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viral orbit
i still don't even get how's this a thing in the lore...
when the worms were fully eradicated... and since they are gelatinous they shouldn't leave any corpses around
like zero was already just gray slime...
anyway speaking of DT... where is Ulti-Rampengu or non-zefra ritual beast Pilica
like having Rampengu with no tamer or a fusion just hits weird tbh
jade iron
Kamui lost interest in the Ritual Beasts when he got Falco back
Do we got a Daigusto Cannahawk
wide plume
Wait how the HELL did I never notice Azzathoth has the lswarm virus symbol??
wild siren
wait wtf same
sacred vector
The weird part of Evilswarm is seeing what mons are corrupted
Like who the fuck wanted to possess a Genex
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sacred vector
... dont they all have that?
technically obliviwisp doesn't
sacred vector
but it's shaped like it
sacred vector
The funny part of Evilswarms for me is, like
The best Evilswarm dragon is also the worst Ice Barrier dragon
halcyon crane
Yeah the Lswarm Ouroboros managed to be the weakest out of the three
Well not that weak but like it would've been better if it was quick effect
hushed dune
I only now got why the hell she is a Fiend lol
viral orbit
yeh Steelswarm armor
jade iron
using a corpse instead of soul
Which corpse??
viral orbit
Which corpse??
she used the corpse of a random Steelswarm
jade iron
The only problem I have with that, is I don't think Nekroz 100% uses corpses
They are able to
But the corpses of the Ice Barrier dragons are in the possession of like 3 different people
viral orbit
The only problem I have with that, is I don't think Nekroz 100% uses corpses
it still the same type of forbidden ritual. they just kinda made it better and less evil.
also every nekroz keep in mind is cosplying as a dead monster anyway.
jade iron
Yeah but Kerykeion fused with the 3 dragons, who then gave part of his power to Leodrake, and then got absorbed by Cairngorgon. So where the fuck are the corpses
Oh and the OC/narrator got some of the Kery power too
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jade iron
What is this man cooking
long bison
Like who the fuck wanted to possess a Genex
After seeing Final Gesture, it's a bit sad seeing Genex Controller back and using Genex Spare to control Coppelia.
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viral orbit
Yeah but Kerykeion fused with the 3 dragons, who then gave part of his power to ...
no idea then again... don't think they were thinking much of it.
cuz Necroz of Sophia shouldn't even be a thing if we go by either logic
like the thing literally got erased from that world
how are they able to necro summon its power when none of it left
dem cosplying necromancers
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wide plume
Damn I thought we had DT lore all figured out but nope.
Nekroz raising gem knights, Worms having the lswarm virus, what's next-
Flammvell secretly being op?
devout hearth
this one we knew
wild siren
Nekroz raising gem knights, Worms having the lswarm virus, what's next-
Flammvel...
isn't flamvell actually good in edison
devout hearth
To take on not only the "Infernoids" but also the "Qliphorts" was an undertaking the remaining allied forces were ill-prepared for. To remedy this, "Dance Princess of the Nekroz" tried combining the necromancy of the "Nekroz Mirror" and the cycle of the "Gishki Aquamirror" together to revive the souls lost to the "Shaddolls". With that power, the successfully-revived "Gem-Knight Master Diamond" emerged from the remains of "El Shaddoll Grysta". To atone for his sins committed as a "Shaddoll", "Master Diamond" threw himself into the war.
jade iron
So where does Sophia come from then
Are Nekroz just able to weave cloth from memories of the dead?
Or souls, I suppose
rather than corpses
devout hearth
sophia's just like any of the other cosplays
no special mention just a "yeah she's going to fight anoyatyllis now"
viral orbit
rather than corpses
the lore just says it's necromancy so it gotta involve a corpse
or well Necro Magic
viral orbit
i think they just summon the corpse somehow
cedar sand
wild siren
Okay what archetype we betting next?
hushed dune
Tour Guide
wild siren
Expecting another female led one tbh
wild siren
Albaz would be hype, but I think it would be a smaller thing
Albaz would be a MASSIVE lore
Compared to Raye
primal spire
True
Witchcrafter?
There's just not a lot of archetypes that have lore that is small but works as a story
wild siren
I mean could be, but that'd be a slice of life with implied lore™️
Inb4 it's Centurion
wild siren
But again, I am just guessing it's smaller with a female cast because waifus sell
wild siren
VS could be fun too
Inb4 it has Blazblue/Guilty Gear level lore
primal spire
Live Twin has lore and a small cast of exclusively "waifus"
So odds are favourable
... I'm kinda cool with lesbian phantom thieves as a story tho
hushed dune
I mean could be Albaz
God I hope not
I have seen enough of that little shit in the Card Game as is
primal spire
They ... don't really look like twins to me?
wild siren
Not all are identical 
Personally, I would like for me to be wrong, that it's not a small lore, or that they aren't just gonna do waifu cards
But eh who knows. They probably won't reveal a new one yet
primal spire
Not all are identical <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
I mean ye I know, but they don't even look closely related to me tbh?
I'd be hype for Albaz tho
More Kit
primal spire
Isn't that Nervall
glacial dune
Did Labrynth get some discussion already?
I’ve been late to the party on account of work.
I just want Knight-chan to be a physical card dammit
primal spire
Not particularly but Labrynth probably falls into the slice of life category that we consider unlikely
silver harbor
Personally, I would like for me to be wrong, that it's not a small lore, or that...
as a non identical twin i can confirm this
silver harbor
~~I just want Knight-chan to be a physical card dammit~~
the funny thing is that if they did become one they'd probably be anti support because LORE
glacial dune
And no one would even be mad. :P
silver harbor
true
especially because theres at least 1 more labyrnth monster that we know exists in the lore
primal spire
Did we get the 2 in big welcome?
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a[arias labrynth]
wild siren
~~Isn't that Nervall~~
I will steal half your socks
primal spire
Bro wtf
wild siren
Mind you not half your pairs
I mean steal it so you have only one of each
But yeah I think realistically
The archetype would be something that
- Could do with more cards (even if they aren't good)
- is fairly short
- Has a plot to follow beyond slice of life
And having lots of female characters is more of a bonus, since it's YGO players
Like ik people want say Charmers, but what can you do?
Wynn's family drama? Dharc and whateverthelightgirlsnamewasagain escaping slavery?
Eria seeing wtf happened to her familiar?
And idk how many promos you can crank into Labrynth, if it was Lab I feel they'd have saved the butler for the manga, since Konami should already know who the next archetype is
wild siren
It would but
That'd mean they would unban master plan
And people still have PTSD
(even though I feel the deck would be just fine nowadays at full power)
And I imagine the new support would be on the level of like
Spygal
Hey actually it could be SPYRAL, it even has enough space for terrible promos
primal spire
That'd mean they would unban master plan
Yes >:)
... oh what about Subterror
No not popular enough
wild siren
Snoozeterror
wild siren
Bro people only care for Guru control
wild siren
Which doesn't even play like the deck is intended to
primal spire
And guru control is barely subterror
But the lore is cook
Cool
Fucking autocorrect
wild siren
Also yeah the archetype obviously needs to be popular enough
primal spire
Which is what's making me think Live Twin
We're missing the v tuber version of trouble and sunny after all
And it's popular as hell
And its a waifs deck
wild siren
also betting it now but
if we get a spyral manga
it won't be written like a james bond thriller
it will have the energy of lupin
primal spire
I mean
It should
I'm sorry but they're all goofballs
I just hope if we get it
Tough has a major role
foggy lotus
primal spire
Do you have any place where youve collected all of them?
Id have to read a few chapters to catch up and Im too lazy to track each of them down
foggy lotus
I think if you google sky striker manga
There may or may not be manga reading websites where someone may have typeset this and it should be there up to chapter 17
primal spire
I may or may not do that then
And I may or may not be thanking you with this message
foggy lotus
golden flax
The penultimate chapter
real flame
i feel weird saying this, but i'm more excited that sky strikers is almost over for the sake of getting to see what story the do next
foggy lotus
Yeah same
It's been pretty plain plot-wise
And I'm annoyed we're probably not going to see linkage art
hushed dune
I just don't care for Sky Strikers ingeneral so I am glad it will be finished
halcyon crane
She went mama mode
viral orbit
mama mode
are u sure she isn't using the thing for some uhloy ritual
i do think it's funny that the lore just wanted to chill this time
hushed dune
Think this sums it up pretty good
The Gobbos are just annoying to her lol
Btw Fanartists really liked Mianda
Instantly had Fanart made
Does that mean Goblin of Greed is part of the lore?
halcyon crane
Funnily enough Goblin of Greed technically IS the first Goblin support
[scrounging goblin]
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[scrounging goblin]
Level: 4
[ Fiend / Effect ]
ATK 1000 / DEF 2000
halcyon crane
Pathetic one but hey
hushed dune
Yeah he seems pretty neat lol
Not good but funny if you pull it off somehow
hollow shell
halcyon crane
Just one week and we got proper Goblin archetype
hushed dune
On that note
What Psychopath keeps giving Synchro Archetypes Link monsters?
halcyon crane
onyo poor Genex
They hit their peak in War of the Worthless
As for the archetype themselves they've been tried to fixed 3 times, I'm not sure if they still want to give them another chance
hushed dune
Make that a 4th
wild siren
WotW Genex was so HYPE
viral orbit
HER!
but ... where have i seen those Horns on the wings before
i can't tell if it's a Zefra or Tellar thing
halcyon crane
I know that looks like Kerykion wings
Can't miss the shoulder spike + ice wings aesthetic
halcyon crane
Granted, it's a deck tailored to be anti synchro
But yeah, hope the genex chad happy to see these supports
wild siren
And then they lost to meklord
Rata almost lost his bet.
silver harbor
Listen the WOTW is still my only real claim to fame aside from a cameo in Yozzoy’s how to play dino 101 video
I was the poor fucker who provided the BES list for the announcement vid
halcyon crane
wild siren
jade iron
Lara's back??
silver harbor
Wasn’t Lara more of a redhead
devout hearth
a[ritual beast tamer lara]
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a[ritual beast tamer lara]
silver harbor
Yeah
long bison
On that note
What Psychopath keeps giving Synchro Archetypes Link monsters?
Damn...is this after the Evilswarm virus infected them?
hushed dune
Pretty sure that's just the result of a[Final Gesture]
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Pretty sure that's just the result of a[Final Gesture]
hushed dune
Controler build Spare in to itself to preserve it or smth I guess
I really do love Genex as the Concept but I really hate how they got treated Gameplay wise
So manny cool stuff they could have pulled with them
long bison
Pretty sure that's just the result of a[Final Gesture]
I think Final Gesture is before the Evilswarm virus got them, since it also has that weird Ally of Justice Synchro there.
[Evilswarm Coppelia]
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[Evilswarm Coppelia]
Level: 6
[ Machine / Effect ]
ATK 2450 / DEF 2050
long bison
The parts Controller replaced are also the ones the Evilswarm virus infected lol.
hushed dune
a[Evilswarm Coppelia]
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a[Evilswarm Coppelia]
hushed dune
OH MY GOD!
It uses Spares Head too
long bison
Damn, that's messed. It's one tragic angle after another for these two.
long bison
I really want to see her art now. Was she really dead, or did they simply just forget about her. They never even told us what happened to her in the official lorebook
lean surge
It was always weird that she was never mentioned in the LOREbooks, when she's so prominent in the S/Ts arts.
viral orbit
inb4 new lara is llusion type...
halcyon crane
Is this same case as Ariel where she haven't been mentioned at all
Then suddenly they revealed her card AFTER everything is concluded
The only difference here Ariel is retconned in, Lara is out (but now in again?)
glass blaze
Explain Albaz role
glass blaze
Is it that long
devout hearth
Explain Albaz role
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jade iron
I sincerely hope they don't just pull a "and they survived offscreen"
lean surge
If she is a Zefra, that might be her revived.
jade iron
As long as my boy Gaiapelio lives
lean surge
It could literally be anything seeing how post Zefra Wendi is a Shaddoll for some reason.
a[reshaddoll wendi]
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a[reshaddoll wendi]
hushed dune
I dunno about that
Doesn't look anything like a Doll
More like reborn after gotten turned in to one
hushed dune
She is so coooool!
jade iron
It could literally be anything seeing how post Zefra Wendi is a Shaddoll for som...
My headcanon is she never stopped being a Shaddoll once infected
Zefrawendi & Wendi are the same
Just minus the Zefra
In the same way Avance stops being Zefrasaber
lean surge
I dunno about that
Doesn't look anything like a Doll
That's what I meant. The art looks more like it should be a Zefra or a Rit Beast Tamer or both, not a Shaddoll.
I could see that.
jade iron
Only man to ever undergo twink death twice
lean surge
On that note of Zefrawendi/Wendi, I always thought that was because the Zefra power was with the Dolphin, you can see the wings actually spouting from it on Zefrawendi.
lean surge
It feels like it should be Raprampilica.
With the Ram bit refering to 
, similar to Zeframpilica being Zefra + Ram + Pilica.
Not sure what the first Rap/Lap part is meant to be, let me check the other Gusto names to see if there's a connection/clue.
Closest I can find is that it might be from the Ainu word Rap - To fall?
Another source has it as meaning Feather, which sounds more right, than to fall, considering this is one of the cards in which the penguin is actually flying.
jade iron
Yeah that'd work
lean surge
Once again, TCG localization fucks up and changes an R into a L. And they weren't even consistent on it, since they managed to keep the R in Zeframpilica.
In my digging thru the other Gusto/Ritual Beast names, found Sphreez was Sphreeze in WC2011 which makes more sense since it's meant to be Sphere + Reeze.
viral orbit
That's what I meant. The art looks more like it should be a Zefra or a Rit Beast...
that's cuz for whatever reason, they decided to change her art from what was previously her final outfit
viral orbit
return takes place after apocalypse... and you see in return, she still got doll dress thing. return is also the older card. @lean surge
if anything this is just the artist having fun i guess.
otherwise, she's a shaddoll bc she still technically in shaddoll dress canonically despite the conflicting artwork
jade iron
Rit Beast Return is also the one that needed to show Lara
cedar sand
I've been thinking, you know how in the anime, what is depicted on the card appears as a hologram? How do you think it would work for the cards with lore, which has specific events with specific characters?
Like if you play branded in central Dogmatika
hushed dune
Pretty sure Traps and Spells just don't get depicted
Atleast I don't rememner anything specific outside of Equipps and Field Spells
cedar sand
Pretty sure Traps and Spells just don't get depicted
Some spells and traps like traphole, mirror force, imperial order, and stuff do have visuals. But you do have a point, they would just not show anything
glacial dune
So surely this isn’t the end for Visas lore, right?
silver harbor
God I hope it is
hushed dune
Let's just Skip Visas Lore entierly
Most of the stuff that comes out of it is too dangerous lol
Except for Scareclaws ironicly enough
How manny Cards of that Visa Lore stuff got Banned/Limited anyway?
hushed dune
I don't care for either
Albaz was the same to me
Only thing I cared for were the Despia and Dogmatika stuff
celest storm
How manny Cards of that Visa Lore stuff got Banned/Limited anyway?
8 cards in the ocg?
I lied, it's 9
the 5 tear monsters+perlereino
the 3 kashtira cards
hushed dune
Jesus
viral orbit
no
vida sent visas to the past again
and now he is on the same Journey, but instead of killing Reich and turning him to a chibi this time, just he just offered teaming up or some shit.
aka kill the hearts=bad ending.
team up with the hearts=good ending
hushed dune
It has some Timetravel stuff? That will suerly not make the whole thing confusing in the long run
pearl obsidian
lets do the time warp againnnnn
long bison
Wait... ||then no H.A.M.P. appearance? Dang. ||
||Also still a bit bleak that they're probably gonna die out anyway and humans will be extinct again. Not unless they use cloning again. 
||
golden flax
poggers we made it to the end
hushed dune
I guess that little Critter might be a bit of a Asshole seeing as it sucks off ¿Lifeforce? from Diabell
wild siren
So does Greavard and it's still a good dog
hushed dune
Yes but Greavard can't look at you with a stink eye and doesn't turn in to a goober when it does
devout hearth
what a scrungly
jade iron
Is Diabell related to Branded lore?
devout hearth
so far no
but in 2025 we will get the reveal that she lives in the land beyond the holes and she'll have to fight aluber
hushed dune
Is Diabell related to Branded lore?
God I hope not
I want the whole thing to just revolv around her
jade iron
The eye reminds me of the Saint or whatever it was called
silver harbor
The soul orbs
foggy lotus
I guess that little Critter might be a bit of a Asshole seeing as it sucks off ¿...
Judging by the comments it's consuming her 魔力 (rip the artist who cbf writing the whole kanji) magical energy
Which maybe we can extrapolate that the other creatures do as well to sustain themselves
Also lol she falls asleep if she drinks """"water""""
It was redder when it was just created/born but now it's more pink after consuming Diabellestar's magic
It's got a mouth but you can barely see it, also it's got "skin flaps" like momonga
hushed dune
Mischivious little thing
foggy lotus
I guess she only sleeps for six hours, also it becomes shinier and.. more moist-looking after consuming magic
It's so cute aaaa
hushed dune
Ahe is just like me fr fr
I can not wait to play around with her and the dumb Goblins
jade iron
Are the birds in White Eye Pressure any card we know of
primal spire
Im gonna say no
devout hearth
3 hours of discussion out the window
that's definitely evil on the side
so if evil is here and we assume tierra only broke out of the tree once, blazeup and barrier are present day
evil becomes flood after tierra leaves? maybe blazeup is it sucking the dead noids?
who the fuck is in barrier if nothing fits besides lancea
if we get a nekroz of lancea 3 years from now i swear to god
primal spire
Wait where do you see Evil?
devout hearth
not that we've seen, but we know that flood can cover itself
devout hearth
ok i think i could live with a nekroz of lancea
shurit gets to redeem himself
after decatron mugs him in a dark alley unnoticed
jade iron
It's Cannahawk with a steel chair
silver harbor
Lara with the assault rifle
devout hearth
real 
hushed dune
So
What is this Balteus Spectra in the Sky Striker lore?
Is that a Unit they fight against or the Big Bad?
viral orbit
So
What is this ~~Balteus~~ Spectra in the Sky Striker lore?
Is that a Unit they...
just a mecha Azalea* uses at her final thing (using Camellia* as battery) until both of them get brain damage and die.
lean surge
You got their names flipped.
lean surge
What's the dragon she's riding on?
jade iron
Chiwen
lean surge
Org called it Chiwen but I don't see it at all.
jade iron
No, also Chiwen was already a Zefra?
And also part of Zefraath
I'm assuming Inheritance means Gaiapelio is dead
lean surge
I just noticed the Dragon is translucent in the Fusion art.
Noichu in Noichudrago's name means Star in Ainu.
jade iron
Org called it Chiwen but I don't see it at all.
It has Chiwen's symbol
lean surge
Guess it's def a YZ.
jade iron
/art Chiwen
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lean surge
a[taotie] a[yazi]
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a[taotie] a[yazi]
lean surge
a[taotie yang zing]
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a[taotie yang zing]
lean surge
I chnaged my mind. I think Taotie or Yazi fit better.
The snout/whiskers look similar. And both have the red tats going on.
jade iron
I don't understand how the mount can exist
The Yang Zing don't exist while Tierra exists
[a]Baxia
lean surge
a[baxia]
lean surge
Whatever happened to Yazi in the LORE, btw? I forgor.
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jade iron
Whatever happened to Yazi in the LORE, btw? I forgor.
Defeated by Delteros I think
halcyon crane
Watch as they never mention Lara by name despite how prominent she is today as it was back then
jade iron
And then all the YZ are absorbed into Zefraath
lean surge
Couldn't find any Ainu word that relates to Reirautari.
lean surge
All the Ulti Fusions stats add up to 3k, except Gaiapellio who shares his staline with base form Naturia Gaiaswhatever.
jade iron
Gaiastrio?
lean surge
The new one's statline is 2400/1900 and the Link is 2600.
Couldn't find any direct equals but Yazi's 2600/2100 is 200/200 lower, and matches atk with the link.
jade iron
1900 is Baxia's defense I think
lean surge
Baxia is 2300/2600.
jade iron
Okay, yeah I'm completely wrong
lean surge
Wait.
Cycling back to the anti Infernoid effect. Don't Infernoids have the 200 less atk trend.
They share the one of the stats being 0 with YZ, tho I don't think YZs had a trend like that.
Oh ye, also Level 7. Ye, it's def a purified Yazi. Not sure how it works in the LORE. Or why it's 200/200 smaller but whatever.
The greatest error the "Tellarknights" made was allowing the "Shaddolls" to obtain the power of 'connecting the stars' themselves, by absorbing "Satellarknight Unukalhai". The "Shaddoll" army used that power to fuse "Shaddoll Squamata" and "Bixi, Water of the Yang Zing", which had also been turned into a "Shaddoll", into "Jiaotu, Darkness of the Yang Zing", a dark "Yang Zing" with the power of 'connecting the stars'. They then further fused "Jiaotu" with the "Shaddoll"-fied "Taotie, Shadow of the Yang Zing", changing them into "Yazi, Evil of the Yang Zing".
At this point, the war which started with the "Tellarknight"-"Yang Zing" alliance against the "Shaddolls" had become one of the "Tellarknights" facing both the "Yang Zing" and "Shaddolls", with no way out in sight.
Only mention of Yazi in the LORE.
It appears on a[Ritual Beast Ambush].
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It appears on a[Ritual Beast Ambush].
jade iron
With her final, faint sliver of hope, "Ptolemaeus" released the powers of the 9 "Yang Zings" she had once materialized to control the "Sacred Tree" at the "sefiroth" system.
lean surge
Maybe post this, it was purified somehow.
jade iron
That power activated the hidden 11th "Zefra" of the "sefiroth" system, and re-fused the cores of the 10 "Zefra". The 11th "Zefra" chose "Zefracore", who possessed auras of both light and darkness, and completed the fusion with its "Core".
lean surge
I think this might be pre-Zefra, post Ambush/Providence and now Inheritance.
jade iron
There's a silhouette in the bottom right of the link artwork
Oh I just realised
The Link is the card in the Infernoid Flood artwork
The wings match
Void Barrier*
jade iron
lean surge
I just realized.
Inheritance is post Zefa.
Wendi's sleeves are circular. That only happened after she got Shaddolled.
So, this one has to be Zefrawendi.
Why is there a purified Yazi and spirit of Apellio, post Zefra?
Was like Gaiapellio like dying for a couple of months in the forest, until the rest of the plot happened?
lean surge
The "Nekroz" that were left behind used this time to revive the 8 "Yang Zing" formerly turned into "Shaddolls", using their cycle. The 8 revived "Yang Zing" steeled their resolve to stand against the threat of "El Shaddoll Anoyatyllis" by using their own sleeping dragon powers. Synchronizing with their resolve, "Exa, Enforcer of the Nekroz" used the spiritual powers of the 8 "Yang Zing" as a medium to channel the 8 "Dragunities", the dragons of ancient times. The souls of the 8 "Dragunities" became one and turned into the "Dragunity Divine Lance", a lance capable of piercing even the gods.
This is the last mention of YZs before 2 of them show up as Zefras and Chiwen gets a Skinsona.
jade iron
The Zefra YZ always existed offscreen
According to the master guide
As did the synchro, before they had the power to Synchro
lean surge
After this Providence happens, then Infernoids, Tierra.
Still not sure where the cards fit in the timeline.
This has to be post Zefraath, right but the YZs are already in Zefraath?
jade iron
Inheritance, like Promised Return, just doesn't work
If this new one happens between the attack on the Sacred Tree but before the Infernoid release
Why did Lara give up on Apelio
lean surge
a[promised return]
fading yarrowBOT
a[promised return]
jade iron
The one where Lara specifically doesn't show up
And the babies look like they've been crying
lean surge
Which one was promised return again?
jade iron
I mean this one
Where zefrapettle, Lara, ultigaiapelio, Shurit, and Rampengu all just vanish
Rampengu eventually comes back
If you wanted to do "YZ saves Lara" it should've been Ulti-Pulao
glacial dune
how much of this could've been avoided if they'd just gone ulti-rampengu
lean surge
Ok, here's my theory.
Gaiapellio dies in Providence and maybe absorbed by Tierra?
After the battle between Zefraath and Final Tierra. Some of the components come free.
Like the LORE mentions what remained were the 2 Gks who fuck off into the Light.
a[zefra providence]
fading yarrowBOT
a[zefra providence]
lean surge
But maybe a few others are free too. And somehow the YZs and Apellio's spirit combine somehow to make the Fusion/Link's mount.
Could also explain Inheritance's art (being post Zefrawendi) and Lara happy to see her friend's spirit again.
Maybe Apellio specficially picked Yazi's appearance since they battled each other, so after getting YZ juice/star power somehow became like that voluntarily/temporarily?
What's the bird in top left in Inheritance's art, btw?
Can't seem to match it with anything.
Also, the armor that the Link gets. Is it a reference to a diff mon?
The orb is Red.
Maybe it references Baxia, but I don't see it.
I see.
Apparently Wind can be Rera or Reira in Ainu. That's why I couldn't find it in the first place I checked.
Still don't know what the Utari is supposed to be.
The other Link Kimunfalcos is Mountain + Falcos.
But, I'm pretty sure we don't have a mon called Utari.
Oh, Utari is also Ainu which means Brethren apparently.
It's kinda weird that both words are Ainu. Usually its one + whatever Gusto name they can slap beside it.
jade iron
What's the bird in top left in Inheritance's art, btw?
& the silhouette in the Link's art
jade iron
@lean surge in the solo card & the fusion she has Ophion Wings, but in the Link she has Sophia wings
viral orbit
Wen being Wendi is weird for the fact that it still uses the return art instead of thr Reeshaddoll art
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viral orbit
It's kinda weird that both words are Ainu. Usually its one + whatever Gusto name...
it's cuz the link is not counting the dragon at all. it's lara and the 2 kids. aka 3 psychic wind ppl. the dragon is just there.
so being called Wind Brethern fits
so this is how lara gets her new look
i don't think the mood is wrong tho. you can see win is very sad (almost about to cry)
and as far as we know. we don't know how the Spiritual Beasts work.
maybe once they die, they become part of their master's soul
devout hearth
Still not sure where the cards fit in the timeline.
gaiapelio gets its shit kicked in by tierra (ultimate providence), gives the last of its energy to lara (inheritance), she becomes spiritual beast tamer,
purified yazi showing up out of nowhere is weird but there's only one mention of it and that's back when it was born, during the tellar vs doll fight, so if wen got purified idt it's that much of a stretch
devout hearth
The Link is the card in the Infernoid Flood artwork
holy shit they really did give us a second dragon
ok wow
ok so
-
zefras are already around at this point, they were created during the anoyatyllis fight
-
the nekroz revived the yang zings and they were used to channel the dragunities to make the lance so they were just sitting around
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evil was sealed in the tree alongside tierra, it got out when she did (imagination alt)
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gaiapelio tried to stop tierra and protect the tamers but got beat up
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presumably it was dying or smth bc it gave its energy to lara, who became sbt lara
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meanwhile evil was going around sucking the dead noids (blaze-up)
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after absorbing enough energy, evil became flood
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lara teamed up with good!yazi (nochiudrago), the tamers used their powers to boost it to reirautari (lara no longer has the gaiapelio wings)
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reirautari fought flood
lean surge
Inheritance has to be post Zefrawendi, going off of Wen's current look.
Her sleeves/thigh tats don't match with base form/Ulti-Pettlefin.
devout hearth
yes, hence
devout hearth
what i'd like to know is why nochiu is half transparent
did the seance shit kill all the yz and she's summoning yazi back?
halcyon crane
yeah while it's a wyrm thing, it's usually associated with Metaphys, not YZ
devout hearth
oh lmao that's why wen is just doing her own thing in void apocalypse
ptole sent all the yang zing to make zefraath so reirautari is just fucking gone
jade iron
I'm sure if you went through the Yang Zing more than one would be translucent
viral orbit
yeah while it's a wyrm thing, it's usually associated with Metaphys, not YZ
every YZ is Semi-translucent
idk what you guys are talking about tbh. the YZ were the OG Ghost Dragons... fitting for the ocg name of the type they introduced
the weird thing is why the link 4 dragon is not Semi-translucent
but i guess we wait for better art.
viral orbit
what i'd like to know is why nochiu is half transparent
YZ thing. everyone of dem is like that.
fading yarrowBOT
halcyon crane
You may have a point, but heres the thing, it don't reflected well in the art
It could be they're half translucent, but it could be also because the friggin background is cloud
So you can;t tell
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
see Toatie's tail and leg
halcyon crane
Metaphis communicate that aspect well because their background is not as vague
celest storm
What's the dragon she's riding on?
It’s Yazi
viral orbit
it's taotie tho
celest storm
The stats and effects reference Yazi
fading yarrowBOT
celest storm
Taotie is also just Yazi before being fused with Jiatou?
New rb is just Yazi after being purified
viral orbit
@halcyon crane see how you can see the horns since the shell is translucent
halcyon crane
Like, just add corporeal things in the background for monster to interract to changed so much about the monster themselves
viral orbit
i mean it does not matter, you can clearly see through their intersecting body parts
halcyon crane
Yeah I just say they don't reflect that well in their original art
And I feel metaphys is there to fix that, at least in art department
viral orbit
also i don't think it's the same type of transparency as metaphys.
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
wait, what's this thing again in lore
that being said, it triggers me that the link 4 isn't
WAIT...
the link 4 isn't Wyrm type...
is the Link 4 even counting the dragon?
i guess being turned Psychic makes it somehow not a ghost anymore...
halcyon crane
viral orbit
would like YZ support tbh
since i guess some lived somehow...
like could the YZ even exist without their pyroxine
viral orbit
then there are these fuckers... that like always existed of screen
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
why bro got Drum sticks stuck in em
jade iron
wait, what's this thing again in lore
This is the synchro that existed before YZ were able to Synchro summon
viral orbit
This is the synchro that existed before YZ were able to Synchro summon
how does that even work ?
is it like the chicken and egg situation
jade iron
It is a plot hole in the master guide as far as I know
Since the YZ weren't able to Synchro until Jiaotu, and then Chiwen
jade iron
I wanna say Denglong was the divinity remaining in Sombre
But I'm not 100% on how supported that is
viral orbit
also where were the zefra ones before getting zefra'd
and why are they rocks ...
they look so weird compared to the others
viral orbit
yes but not as zefras
viral orbit
also also, does this mean toatie was always dark/evil
jade iron
Chiwen is formed from stellar energy
@lean surge Yugipedia seems to have settled on Taotie being the mount
devout hearth
how rude of them
pearl obsidian
Now here's a question
What in the world happened to lancea then?
primal spire
Became an artifact
devout hearth
old age got him
pearl obsidian
I do wonder what happened with lancea
Where is georgius after that era
And what was prior/mirror master doing during that period cause it seems to be before he went on his journey outside of the ice barrier
hushed dune
What I want to know what Numbing Grup has to do with the Ice Barrier
Mabe it repairs it?
Kinda looks like it shoots Ice on to it
silver harbor
It just lives in the ice barrier, seemingly
halcyon crane
Yeah I saw it as their wildlife
Perhaps also food source, Armored Core 6 mealworm style
hushed dune
It can Special Summon itself from anywhere if Grub stayed on the Field for 6 Turns
viral orbit
What I want to know what Numbing Grup has to do with the Ice Barrier
inb4 it's the kids of mist wurm...
viral orbit
like the fuck is this thing. other than being a thing that lives in mist Valley
hushed dune
Does it even ever appear in another card?
devout hearth
p[synchro back]
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p[synchro back]
devout hearth
it was also in 5 episodes of arcv 
halcyon crane
owo the Stardust/Psy-Frame strat
hushed dune
LOL
jade iron
was it ever explained why Avida, Rebuilder of Worlds has Qliphort bits
viral orbit
nope
long bison
I guess it was just a lazy reused design aesthetic until they explain it. 
halcyon crane
Yeah feels really tacked on for that Duel Terminal references
viral orbit
I guess it was just a lazy reused design aesthetic until they explain it. <:shru...
no. Avid (the artificial life stimulator) is based on Tierra's (the artificial life stimulator) source code. it has a reason to look like a DT thing. it's just more of an irl reference than an inlore thing.
Avida is an artificial life software platform to study the evolutionary biology of self-replicating and evolving computer programs (digital organisms). Avida is under active development by Charles Ofria's Digital Evolution Lab at Michigan State University; the first version of Avida was designed in 1993 by Ofria, Chris Adami and C. Titus Brown at Caltech, and has been fully reengineered by Ofria on multiple occasions since then. **The software was originally inspired by the Tierra system.**
see the last part
WL is pmuch another Duel Terminal Universe
it's not the same Terminal as DT tho, but its own thing inspired by DT itself
it does not need an inlore explanation imo
autumn ridge
Beside the wiki is there a site where I can read the lore for certain archetypes
wild siren
Beside the wiki is there a site where I can read the lore for certain archetypes
check the pins
real flame
question: So...duel terminal is/was the original yugioh "lore" but like...what was duel terminal? i have vague memories of seeing an arcade machine? was there a story on it? did you play through a thing and fight the worms? what was it?
real flame
my gut tells me there has to be some amount of story in this thing
it's got a big screen on it
based on some googling: i guess not. No lore. Just a machine that let you play duel links and earn a random card
https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/Yu-Gi-Oh-History-What-Was-Duel-Terminal/6952fa9f-0003-4ecf-8f78-aa969487e968/
hollow wraith
my lgs had one of these
you could choose between playing a bunch of minigames or playing speed duel against anime characters
the minigames were vaguely lore themed
jade iron
based on some googling: i guess not. No lore. Just a machine that let you play d...
There's 3d models for some of the Duel Terminal cards
real flame
Neato
real flame
the minigames were vaguely lore themed
I wish someone had ripped(?) a ROM(?) of the terminal so I could check this stuff out
glass blaze
I would have loved to play a Duel Terminal
And yeah, the Lore was pretty much all within the Master Guide.
dry lodge
Hope we get extended DT lore for the newer cards
fading yarrowBOT
we see Kosmochlor dying in [icejade curse]
cedar sand
but then what happened to Tremora, Tinola, and Acti?
so far, aegirine is the last survivor
silver harbor
so far, aegirine is the last survivor
as far as we know Aegirine is the only living Icejade yes
and whatever might be left of Aegirocrassis(Mo Ye), although her status as an icejade is arguable
dry lodge
So, the 10 gems of Gem Knight Master Diamond effectively became the 10 gems of the Qliphort, right?
What's the corresponding gem knight of each qliphort then?
Obsidian's being Shell makes sense
I would assume Pearl might be Skybase
Crystal himself is probably Towers
Dunno about the other 7 though
Any ideas?
There's still Gray, Blue, Red, Green, Yellow, Orange, and Purple
Of course, excluding Lapis and Lazuli
Alexandrite is probably Monolith
Emerald is Carrier
Tourmaline is probably Scout
Iolite likely became Disk
dry lodge
Iolite likely became Disk
Or Sapphire?
Iolite is probably actually Stealth
Amber likely became Cephalopod
And Amber is probably the closest match for Helix by process of elimination
This means Sardonyx is kinda just a hanger-on
Oh, Alexandrite is probably actually Towers
hushed dune
I didn't know the G Knights were even relevant beyond getting used by the Evilswarm stuff at some point
dry lodge
I didn't know the G Knights were even relevant beyond getting used by the Evilsw...
The pyroxenes (the colored gems) in Gem Knight Master Diamond ended up being used to activate the Qliphoth system because they contained the essence of Tierra
dry lodge
Iolite is probably actually Stealth
Stealth and Skybase are actually probably Pearl and Crystal, respectively, while Iolite is Monolith
Or vice versa
dry lodge
I didn't know the G Knights were even relevant beyond getting used by the Evilsw...
Lazuli also became Constellar Sombre, who absorbed the power of Creation from Sophia, while Lapis ended up being corrupted into Shaddoll Construct
jade iron
I didn't know the G Knights were even relevant beyond getting used by the Evilsw...
The G Knights became god, like four times
long bison
Those rocks are truly built different.
dry lodge
What's Infernoid Evil supposed to be?
primal spire
We have no idea
dry lodge
Infernoid Evil seems to be a predecessor form to Infernoid Flood
Who seems to be going against Ritual Beast Ulti-Nochiudrago
So it seems to be distinct/separate from Infernoid Tierra maybe?
Or perhaps Tierra's remains after it lost to Zefraath?
devout hearth
imagination alt shows something else (presumably evil since tierra has no blue flames and the silhouette matches) was sealed in the tree with tierra
and nochiu seems to not exist when zefraath shows up, since wen is by herself in the art of void apocalypse - master guide states the yang zings merged into zefracore to create zefraath so presumably nochiu got included there
dry lodge
I thought the yang zings combined power to unlock the 11tg sephirot
devout hearth
the noid/rb stuf is like a side story to everybody else panicking about tierra
dry lodge
Not fused into Zefraath
devout hearth
nah the zefra system just activated itself since everybody was in one place
dry lodge
We see light of the yang zing activating it tho
devout hearth
With the gathering of "Tellarknight Ptolemaeus", "Nekroz of Sophia", "Dragunity Divine Lance", and "Evilswarm Kerykeion" inside of "El Shaddoll Anoyatyllis" in one place, the powers of the "Goddess of Rebirth", the power of 'creation' and 'destruction', and the 10 'Cores' were assembled. The aura pulsating from this gathering became the key to starting up the 'sefiroth' system, the counterpart to the 'qliphoth' system, from within the "Naturia Sacred Tree".
The holy light emanating from the floating "Sacred Tree" chose 10 lives from the surface world to transform into the "Zefra". This "Zefra", just like the "Qliphorts", is a part of the system of the "Sacred Tree". Its original purpose was as a defense system that purged damaging errors to the "Sacred Tree", but for this war, in order to purge the anomaly threatening to destroy the planet known as "Anoyatyllis", it shared its powers with the surface lifeforms. And so the 10 chosen holy warriors stood against "Anoyatyllis" which threatened to destroy both the world and the "Sacred Tree".
the yz were brought back by the nekroz in order to act as mediums to channel the dragunity spirits and make the lance
and then they just don't do anything until
In the face of the god of destruction with its true powers regained, those on the surface could do nothing but await their purgation. With her final, faint sliver of hope, "Ptolemaeus" released the powers of the 9 "Yang Zing" she had once materialized to control the "Sacred Tree" at the 'sefiroth' system. That power activated the hidden 11th "Zefra" of the 'sefiroth' system, and re-fused the cores of the 10 "Zefra". The 11th "Zefra" chose "Zefracore", who possessed auras of both light and darkness, and completed the fusion with its 'Core'.
all the original zefra stuff was before
dry lodge
So Aluber/Albaz both make use of the Dragon Alchemy referenced by the Dracoverlord
The Dracosoul universe is also connected to Duel Terminal via Zefra Metaltron
primal spire
Not really, Zefra Metaltron and Metaltron XII are just both translating Metatron the same way
Which is just a generic bible reference
dry lodge
No? They're clearly the same monster
But one is like, Zefra'd
There's definitely a connection between those two storylines
primal spire
Theyre not though
We saw XII being created, and they dont even share much design-wise beyond the colour (vaguely)
One is dragonoid, the other is humanoid, one has 6 angel wings in a radial pattern, the other has two booster wings over the shoulder
dry lodge
They're both the same type and attribute
dry lodge
They're also in the exact same pose
Even there's differences in silhouette, it feels like more of a reach to not draw a connection
primal spire
I mean theyre connected in that theyre based on the same thing
dry lodge
They have the same pose, the same type and attribute, are both formed by combining aspects of other monsters from the story into itself
Sword arm in the right hand, staff/spear in the left hand
You don't see it at all?
Even if you say Zefra Metaltron isn't draconic in appearance, it's a Wyrm monster, so it's still clearly supposed to be a dragon of some kind
primal spire
Actually we have no idea how Zefra Metaltron was formed
dry lodge
We don't
But again, the connections between the two are obvious
One was released only a year after the other
primal spire
And beyond that, theyre similar, yes, but theyre also based on the same thing, so the similarity is to be expected
dry lodge
'Based on the same thing'
dry lodge
And beyond that, theyre similar, yes, but theyre also based on the same thing, s...
Where exactly is the Metatron described as a light dragon in the Torah/Bible? 
primal spire
I mean light is a given since yknow
Angel
As for dragon, theyre wyrm mostly for gameplay reasons
... well XII is
Im not sure why Zefra is
dry lodge
Im not sure why Zefra is
Because it's the same monster my dude
primal spire
Then why are the designs so radically different?
They dont even have the same type of leg
dry lodge
Why is it a wyrm?
dry lodge
Then why are the designs so radically different?
Even if it's more anthropomorphic, the themes, coloring, and placement of weaponry within the design is consistent
Again, alongside the pose
primal spire
But theyre clearly not the same monster, at most Zefra Metaltron is a reference to XII
dry lodge
And attribute, and type
primal spire
The colours are off, and the placement of the weapons is only similar if you consider exclusively the sword and spear
dry lodge
You can't say it's because they're based off the same thing, the Metatron is only described as the voice of god
The only similarity required there is a 'Light' element
It doesn't explain away or justify the other similarities
primal spire
XII has another sword on his hip, a cannon, a bow and a whip
While Zefra has a swordblade on his left arm
Well, Metatron is often depicted with a spear iirc
Oh and even weapon wise its only similar ish, XII has a trident and a sword, Zefra has a spear and a sword-arm ... thing?
dry lodge
They both carry an overarching arsenal of weaponry or armor tied to the archetypes of their story
primal spire
What archetypes do you see in Zefra?
Theres only 3 weapons I see, and two of them dont match with any
And one is loosely ... based on a Zefra card lmao
dry lodge
Technically, since Zefra references all the zefra
All of those zefra lol
Anyhow
Aluber/Albaz reference the Draco storyline
primal spire
Even the poses arent that similar
dry lodge
Now you're just reaching man
primal spire
One is static and looking to the right, one is dynamic and looking at you
The left arm is the same though
Regardless, the two monsters, while similar-ish in design, are clearly seperate
Mostly because it wouldnt work for them to be the same
dry lodge
If you show any random person those two monsters, even without saying its name, they're going to assume a connection
primal spire
We dont know how Zefra came to be exactly
dry lodge
Then if you include the name, it becomes obvious there's an intended relation there
And not just a reference
primal spire
... how so? If anything that would imply a reference moreso than a relation no?
Since they share part of their name, but otherwise are disconnected
dry lodge
They're both wyrms man
primal spire
Im not saying the Metaltrons arent similar, they are
Theyre probably just a callback, or a funny reference since its the same name
Kinda like Tierra and the world legacy nightmare ... thing
Had some similar design elements
dry lodge
When does Yugioh do that sorta thing with big boss cards
primal spire
We can rule out WL and DT being connected
dry lodge
The story even references prior cycles of destruction/rebirth
dry lodge
There could've been any number of cycles between the end of the Tierra and the beginning of the world legacy
primal spire
Well no because that contradicts WTs creation myth
dry lodge
The World Legacy even references Sombre's creation of the Yang Zing in it's story
primal spire
WLs rather
WLs world was created when the power of destruction was sealed within the earth, a shell made by the power of creation
So it cant be after DT since by the time of DT both powers are in the world tree
dry lodge
Sombre's power of creation was shared with Lapis/Construct due to their original nature as Lapis Lazuli, which is how Tierra was able to regain godhood without consuming Sombre
Thanks to Lapis and Lazuli, there are two powers of Creation now
primal spire
Yeah but the first thing that happened in WLs lore, the way it was created in the first place, was the power of destruction being sealed away
And it was only during WL that it was unsealed
So DT, where said power played a big role, couldnt have happened before WL
dry lodge
Also, Sombre and Kerykeion imparted part of their powers of creation/destruction onto Leo and Exciton Knight
Leo's power of destruction eventually reaching Lara, as seen in the newer cards
primal spire
Likewise World Legacy cant happen before DT either because by the end of WL the powers are sealed away as one in the key
dry lodge
World Legacy would've had to happen after
primal spire
Yeah but I already explained why thats impossible
If DT happened before WL the power of destruction had to have been unsealed since thats what Tierra was
But between the creation of WLs world and the unsealing of said power by Lee at the end of WL, it remained sealed
dry lodge
Idlee's design, again, the antagonist usurping godhood in the story, is also channeling Sophia, Shaddoll Core, and Tierra
There's no way in hell it's just a reference
dry lodge
Even if there's a contradiction, it's more likely a lack of foresight in an intended connection than simply an incredibly, ridiculously heavy handed reference
primal spire
Is that more likely? Konami loves heavy handed references, and idk how it could've been a "lack of foresight" because they explain the creation myth after Idlee appears
They actually went out of their way to make sure it was clear they couldnt be the same world
dry lodge
You act as though the world legacy story is just a corporate-driven CEO-made story plugged out of an AI machine
It's clearly written by someone who's trying to make connections with the duel terminal line
primal spire
References, not connections
Its pulling on a lot of the same themes
Hell, Avida and Tierra are both real life simulation software
dry lodge
References don't hit you with the subtlety of an anvil being dropped on you
primal spire
Were talking about Konami here
dry lodge
Again, this is a story with art made by real people
primal spire
Diabellestar is about as subtle a reference to Ragna the Bloodedge
Or Quik Fix to Otacon
dry lodge
Sophia's attributes manifesting on Idlee, combined with the Qliphort machinery on the world gear and Alvida are very deliberate
dry lodge
Diabellestar is about as subtle a reference to Ragna the Bloodedge
You can't honestly compare that with this?
primal spire
Yep, theyre deliberate references
Or hell, take Masked Hero Contrast, that guy is just obviously Kamen Rider W
dry lodge
Looking sorta similar to something isn't the same as copy/pasting entire pieces of one thing onto another
The bits on Alvida don't just look vaguely similar to Qliphort bits
The ovoid shapes with pyroxenes in the center are Qliphort bits
They're 1:1
primal spire
Well theyre not 1:1, but theyre close
The Qlis have two Rhombuses on each side, Avida has one
dry lodge
primal spire
Yep, two rhombuses vs 1
Oh and I guess the little pendulum arrows on the ends arent the same colour, but that one you cant even see in the art on the card
Its too small
The most likely connection is that the "God" who created the WL world also created the DT world later in another part of the universe
But thats speculation since we know literally nothing about what that God did after he dipped
dry lodge
We know the DT world's deities were Sophia and Tierra in the beginning, with Creation and Destruction split between them until Sophia defeated Tierra, stole the power of Destruction, and sealed her
primal spire
Yep
dry lodge
We also know that, even if the power of creation/destruction wielded by Tierra became sealed in the world tree, those powers had also been split up at various points, between Lapis, Lazuli, Cockroach, Kerykeion, Leo, and Lara
Which lends credence to any drama between the end of DT and beginning of WL, potentially
primal spire
And we know the deity in WL was the creator of the world legacy had both powers, but sealed the power of the destruction and created a planet using the power of creation around it
Before going away to space
And that between the creation of WLs world, and Lee unsealing the power of destruction near the end of WL, there power of destruction remained permanently sealed and unaccessible
Meaning that any storyline in which the power of destruction plays a role couldnt have happened before WL
Since there is no point in time between the planet being created and the power being unsealed during WL where anyone could've unsealed it
Also because WLs lore says it was sealed with a key, and that any time the power of destruction got close to being unsealed, warriors wielding the key stood up against it and made sure it stayed sealed
And DT doesnt have the key play a role
To quote the creation myth:
n days of long ago, there was a God who governed the movements of the heavens.
That God used the dragons as its vassals,
To fulfill their duty of maintaining the heavens in a cycle of creation and destruction.
However, the power of destruction grew each time it was used,
And eventually, the balance of power between creation and destruction had collapsed.
The power of destruction had become so great,
That if it was let loose, it would have certainly destroyed the very heavens it was created to protect.
God decided it was impossible to govern the heavens by themselves.
Using the power of creation, a cage was forged, made of countless layers of the earthen crust,
And the power of destruction was sealed within.
The power of destruction, having lost its way, burned up, transforming into the planet’s core.
Its energy blended together with the power of creation coursing throughout the land,
And the energy that flowed forth to the surface of the earth,
Giving rise to life, small existences that repeat the cycle of life and death.
God turned the last vestiges of their being into a ‘Key’,
Entrusting it to the life that had sprouted across the earth, and disappeared.
It really is just a reference, and yknow, it makes sense
Theyre both using life simulation software as the basis of the story, Tierra and Avida
And both have the whole cycles of rebirth going on (Though in WL those existed before the World Legacy planet was created), and the whole power of creation and destruction thing
Oh one key difference though
The power of creation and destruction in DT only affected the planet
The one in WL is implied to affect the entire universe
dry lodge
It's very plausible that, given the powers of creation/destruction have passed between people in DT, that WL is simply a different planet following the events of DT
primal spire
Before the planet was created using the WL powers of creation and destruction
The powers were used to change the heavens
I.e. create and destroy galaxies
So significantly stronger than the DT ones
If I were to create a connection
It'd be that the god of WL created the DT world later, using much weaker powers this time
That would make way more sense, but its also just not supported by anything, its pure speculation
All we know for sure is theyre different planets, and their powers of creation and destruction work slightly differently
But thats about it
primal spire
The fact that Albaz and Draco lore are connected (seemingly? Unless some intern fucked it up) is kinda wild though
I wonder which one is gonna be set before the other
jade iron
There's definitely a connection between those two storylines
Absolutely not true.
Why is Constellarknight Diamond a wyrm? It's made up of 1 beast warrior & 5 warriors
dry lodge
Why is Constellarknight Diamond a wyrm? It's made up of 1 beast warrior & 5 warr...
Ptolemy looks like a dragon more or less despite being Machine
Also likely because the Constellars are connected to the Yang Zing through Sombre, and Constellarknight Diamond will eventually become Zefraath, who, despite being Rock, is a giant mythical dragon with the Yang Zing symbol on his torso.
Also, despite the mention of Metaltron just being Metatron's localization, I highly doubt that the decision to localize both cards as such boiled down to that
Like, 'Metaltron' is rather specific to simply be a shared decision on how to localize the term Metatron
Since, y'know, they're both heavily armored metal wyrms
(Likely 'cause it's the same character)
primal spire
Like, 'Metaltron' is rather specific to simply be a shared decision on how to lo...
They have to translate it the same way
In case they make an archetypal reference
jade iron
Also likely because the Constellars are connected to the Yang Zing through Sombr...
The only relation the Constellars have to the Yang Zing is via Chiwen.
jade iron
Also, despite the mention of Metaltron just being Metatron's localization, I hig...
It 100% is just using a previously established translation for future proofing.
halcyon crane
Yeah, prolly same reason Warwolf exist
The kana is ワーウルフ (werewolf), whether they intentionally changed it to warwolf in TCG or it was mistranslation, they followed upon for future proofing
dry lodge
On another note
It's weird how Ptolemaeus was formed by fusing Constellar Diamond with Sombre, but then when the Zefra are chosen Diamond no longer needs to be a part of that fusion for Sombre to maintain that form, as he becomes Zefracore
dry lodge
@primal spire Just curious, where did you hear that Creation/Destruction ended up sealed inside the sacred tree at the end of DT?
With the "Naturia Sacred Tree" out of action, the surface lives had lost their god. While many were at a loss about what to do, "Crystal" saw light emanating from the "Sacred Tree", thought to be completely inactive. With their friends and comrades watching over them, "Crystal" disappeared into the light along with "Lapis". As the dead and as "Shaddolls", they have wandered the world, but they have finally reached their resting place. However, "Crystal" knows that his past friends and comrades are waiting just beyond that light. The future that they should head towards, that is a future in which life and death no longer endlessly repeat by the control of the "Sacred Tree". It is a world in which those living on the earth are promised tranquility, freed from the shackles of gods. To seek out that world, to create that promised land, he, just as those who were left behind by that light once did, embarks on a journey, to an unknown horizon.
This is the final section of Master Guide 5 card storylines
And it's never mentioned that Creation/Destruction were sealed inside the sacred tree, only that the tree itself is now out of action
primal spire
DT starts with the powers of creation and destruction in the Tree
dry lodge
Yes, but it doesn't end with them sealed again
primal spire
Thats where Tierra is hidden and thats where the Qliphorts operate from
Yeah but thats not important
dry lodge
It is though?
primal spire
How so?
dry lodge
The powers of creation and destruction are free amongst the heavens
primal spire
The problem with putting DT before WL
dry lodge
Which is a plot point in the beginning of WL
primal spire
Is that in WL canon the powers were never unsealed
Nah
Opposite
The plot point in the beginning of WL is that the power of destruction has been sealed since the creation of the world
dry lodge
Is that in WL canon the powers were never unsealed
They were though, Destruction became sealed in the earth when it grew too powerful
primal spire
It has never been let free
dry lodge
DT already has aliens and other planets existing
primal spire
Nah, the planet was created when destruction was sealed
dry lodge
The creation of a new planet to seal the power of destruction doesn't contradict DT
primal spire
Plus the powers are unaccounted for at the end of DT
dry lodge
Yes, DT ends with the state of those powers being open-ended
WL implies that Destruction eventually grew powerful to the point that a new planet had to be created to seal it away
primal spire
Well not exactly
WL states that the powers werent used on a platenary scale
They were used to affect the heavens
dry lodge
Does DT say that they could only be used on a planetary scale in the first place? Moreover, WL makes it clear the powers grew stronger over time
Which, even if the former is true, allows for the eventuality that they become a universal set of powers
primal spire
Only the power of destruction grew actually
dry lodge
Which isn't exactly an issue, because the power of destruction can apparently by itself reshape the world if Avida is any indication
dry lodge
Right, I forgot the Key itself had the power of creation
The World Gears itself that he fused with to become god though was the power of destruction
But anyhow
DT definitely leaves room to become WL at some point
Too many things are unaccounted for