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#Yugioh Lore Discussion
stone prism
silver harbor
Who is “we” in regards to striker
They already get a whole ass manga
same for Vsauce, that shit is boring
primal spire
Albans anime just so we can get more Kitt
And to find out if Kitt speaks in cat puns
Also so we can get merch of her jacket
silver harbor
Albaz anime makes sense for having an actual story
Vsauce lore is boring as hell
wild siren
Vsauce would be awful ye
halcyon crane
And Arc-V has bad track records already, it's no use to put another similar concept but blander
foggy lotus
Considering how much they padded sky striker manga
A visas one wouldn't be terrible
Just card- and vbex-wise we barely spent any time in any of the worlds
Just a brief description
Albaz was WAY more immediately fleshed out by comparison 
long bison
Though it seemed Visas has no fucks to give other than absorbing his other selves.
Not sure what interactions he would really give lol.
foggy lotus
I mean that's where the author comes in doesn't it 
he can slowly develop and gain emotions as he goes
Like he's an emotionless terminator in the scareclaw world
But slowly gains more emotions etc.
pearl obsidian
Oh here's the lore channel
is dharc a harem protag
Though jokes aside
Do we have any lore reason why dharc is the only male charmer?
pearl obsidian
Weird
long bison
Perhaps Lyna and Dharc are from a separate generation of charmers.
And the 4 original charmers are the "new" generation.
pearl obsidian
maybe
hushed dune
Perhaps Lyna and Dharc are from a separate generation of charmers.
Lyna atleast got a completly seperate Evolution then the 4 OGs
Nvm
I got the Names wrong
What I meant was [Milla the Temporal Magician] but she just looks a bit like Lyna
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Nvm
I got the Names wrong
What I meant was [Milla the Temporal Magician] but she...
Level: 4
[ Spellcaster / Effect ]
ATK 1800 / DEF 1000
long bison
Yeah, the artist's stuff have often been same-y during the time they drew the OG charmers and other artwork.
viral orbit
Yeah, the artist's stuff have often been same-y during the time they drew the OG...
isn't Dharc just Night end sorcerer
pmuch all of her stuff are alts of her ocs
long bison
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viral orbit
<:GremlinRoseWheeze:965789100139499571>
no like fr she said tho (i think)
long bison
Better pull up that interview or I'm just gonna chalk it up to just lack of creativity to her designs. 
Sauce*
I doubt they interview artists. xd
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viral orbit
but yeh dis just bunny dharc
lean surge
btw this girl ... is a charmer...???
No, but the Caverns seem to resemble where the Adam peeps found the Rock Eggs.
a[adamancipator laputite]
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a[adamancipator laputite]
lean surge
Still haven't gotten the Dark Egg/Synchro to pay off from a[Adamancipator Relief].
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Still haven't gotten the Dark Egg/Synchro to pay off from a[Adamancipator Relief...
lean surge
Perhaps Lyna and Dharc are from a separate generation of charmers.
The Elemental 4 came first. Doesn't really make much sense for the two Charmers to have after to be set in the past.
On that note, they are mostly seperate for most purposes. To the point you have to wonder if the two groups met. But, it's very likely that they are operating around the same time.
Obv, the Water one's familiar is Gigogawhatever and he connects to a bunch of other Yugioh cards.
Similarly, Lyna and Dharc connect to the same "base Yugioh world" or whatever since they were slaves of the Goblin of Greed before they escaped.
One weird bit of confirmed LORE tho is that Wynn and Winda are sisters.
So, they are connected to DT.
But, DT is confirmed to be a fiction in universe with a kid even having a Construct Doll in same base Yugioh world, so it's just ???
long bison
Yeah, don't think too hard about continuity when it comes to Wynn and Winda, feels like it was a mistake and they just glossed over it real quick lmao.
I also haven't really seen anything about Lyna or Dharc being slaves either besides the shackles, but that could really be anything, like a keepsake for the two of them symbolic as a bond.
Apparently they didn't have Dharc released when they made this card, so we'll never know if it's actually his home or he was selling his services for someone lol.
viral orbit
No, but the Caverns seem to resemble where the Adam peeps found the Rock Eggs.
the cave is mystic mine tho. you can see Spellstone sorcerer inside the giant crystal (he also in mystic mine)
viral orbit
One weird bit of confirmed LORE tho is that Wynn and Winda are sisters.
wasn't Eria and Ariel related too
jade iron
the cave is mystic mine tho. you can see Spellstone sorcerer inside the giant cr...
Oh so it's related to Shaddoll
jade iron
But, DT is confirmed to be a fiction in universe with a kid even having a Constr...
Winda is an actress
wild siren
wasn't Eria and Ariel related too
Theorised, not confirmed
pearl obsidian
Wynn and winda are related though!
lean surge
I don't see Karood in the crystal, tbh.
I don't see the resemblance to Mystic Mine either.
Compared to Glimmer/Adam field spell, the above doesn't feel like the same cavern and the Blue here seems to be mostly from the demagic effect or whatever, rather than the natural color of the caves of the above two.
On Dharc and Lyna.
Pretty sure, there's an anime only card of him escaping from Goblin with his pet grabbing a key or smthg while Pot of Greed goes sicko mode or whatever.
We also see PoG in the Dark Spiritual art card.
On the chains, I think the ones that we see had them bound together. The Link version of the chains also have them glow at the end, implying they were once connected. And it's my theory that Lyna's hand was bound to Dharc's, and Dharc's other hand was bound to the wall or smthg, and he sacrificed his arm to escape, hence all the arts dodge showing his other arm.
viral orbit
that's 100% karood
viral orbit
On the chains, I think the ones that we see had them bound together. The Link ve...
look at the big eye
and the shape of the had
as for the girl's pet, it got whatever handcuff thingy the link charmer pets got.
lean surge
I still don't see it, tbh.
On Karood, just looks like a vague amorphous blob.
Good catch on the handcuff on the pet tho.
lean surge
I saw the eye, the first time. The rest just seems to be a stretch from a vague shape.
lean surge
Iconic is stretching it.
And "the eye" just looks like a more defined spot of the whole amorphous shape thing, i.e, I'm not even sure if it's actually one or just kinda looks like one aand brain autofills it into a familiar facelike structure.
On the chains tho. I do wonder if it's symbolic of anything. Since Lyna/Dharc's new pets don't have them.
viral orbit
does not help that you see him in mystic mine... and the trap summons itself by banishing monster as a light spellcaster not rock. (that's more in line with karood's stats/effect).
lean surge
And we know from Channeler arts, that the new pets and old pets exist seperately.
[dwimmered path]
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[dwimmered path]
lean surge
[dwimmered glimmer]
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[dwimmered glimmer]
viral orbit
Glimmer
viral orbit
he is light spellcaster with a monster banishing effect
and a gimmick of spellstone counters
lean surge
I still think the Cave structures resemble the Adam field more than Mine, tbh.
viral orbit
well for all we know mystic mind and adama cave are the same
just deeper level maybe ?
lean surge
They banish from opposite graveyards with one being a cost and another the effect, and arguably the lesser known effect of Karood. Spellstone counters/Shutting down mon effs is deffo the more rememberable parts of his effect/the Trap's.
viral orbit
anyway if this is a charmer ... and chamer are kinda connected to DT... then... [[ curse of the Shadow prison]]...
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lean surge
I don't see Mystic Mine resemble the Dwimmered/Adam field at all, tbh.
Lack of those glowing stones everywhere and Mine's blue is mostly from the magic sealing effs, rather than the floor/walls etc.
viral orbit
this uses spellstone counters for some unholy reason
only 3 cards in game do so... Karood, that one trap and this...
lean surge
Trying to see if it's a Noble Arms situation where it's a common name that got reused.
viral orbit
it isn't
lean surge
Hmmm. The jp name for the counter is Magical Stone Counter. Not sure why the Shaddoll field uses it. The closest relation to Stone they have is like Gem-Knight Crystal getting corrupted to Cairngorgon/Shaddoll Grysta.
viral orbit
well in every context this counter used, it is used to seal/depower something
while mystic mine does not use it for the effect, it still on the artwork
lean surge
The trap's name is roughly Magic Absorbing Stone.
And Karood's is Magic Stone Sorceror or Lithomancer if you want to be fancy about it. With him gaining power from it tho.
Maybe, that;s how it works in that it leeches power from people who have more of it to empower Karood who has less or smthg? Might roughly explain Mine's effect.
On that note tho, Mine's name is the weird one. Can't find a good tl of it.
Even org orginally just left it as Mashoudou. Then they changed to Spellkarst Cave then to Spell Mining Cave.
None of while I can find in the original name, besides the original transliteration.
Brain hort.
Someone else tled it as Magical Limestone Cave.
I guess, Magic and Cave are parts of it, but the word itself doesn't feel it has an exact tl. 
lean surge
Looking thru newest deckbuild to see if the reprints gives us any clues on the decks.
Pend deck got Trick clown and Bagooska as reprint. Very likely to be a R4 Xyz Pend deck.
Centurion got Summoner Monk, which prob means Level 4s turbo. Don't think we'll get 2 Xyz themes, so maybe it's Synchros this time, or has no ED? Tho, Memento didn't have any ED either. Could be Fusion or Link related too, but hard to say at the moment.
The blurb doesn't help much either.
Iron knights that start up with the power of bonds!
Tho, maybe it has smthg to do with controlling other (Level 4) mons to get bonus effs? 
Speaking of Memento.
We have a monster missing between Tatsuno and Fairywitch.
Prob based on a old ass Level 4 Normal going by setcode (Could be Level 3 or 5 as well since we had two Level 1s, but don't think it's likely).
On that note, Fairywitch's eff mentions Level 2 or lower Mementos but we have no Level 2s in the set (or space for one). Maybe we get one in main set future support.
All of them seems to be of diff types (but not attribute). Not that it narrows it down that much.
Memento Goblin really fucks up the narrowing process because it's the only one based on a Series 4 monster whereas all the others were Series 1 origin.
viral orbit
The blurb doesn't help much either.
>Iron knights that start up with the power o...
sounds like union
viral orbit
On that note, Fairywitch's eff mentions Level 2 or lower Mementos but we have no...
level 2 or lower is on the same boat as their boss saying extra deck
now it's weird that they care about level tho
could that hint to synchro ?
then again...
viral orbit
Target 1 Level 4 or lower "Magistus" monster
its original Level is 11 or higher
jade iron
The shadow in the crystal is a reflection/refraction of the character touching it
Hence the hair flick & outstretched arm
halcyon crane
@wild siren what are your thought with Dark Blade as Memento monster?
hollow wraith
dark blade feels like a really weird choice imo
he's nowhere near as obscure as any of the other ones
halcyon crane
Yeah I feel the same
wide plume
Tri-Horned Dragon was a checky thing for me, for ages it had the second highest atk of a vanilla.
And iirc the rarest card in the game for the first few years in the US.
halcyon crane
Owo
lean surge
None of the retrains were obscure, imo.
Ok, I was wrong. Fairywitch is prob obscure.
I was confusing her with her color swap counterpart who became the Dark Link 2.
halcyon crane
Prolly obscure isnt the right word, but compared to others, Dark Blade is the only one with hint of lore and has received retrain already
lean surge
Rest are the Goblin in Fake Trap - makes a lot of appearances in other cards, Key Mace is kinda prominent in the anime with Zushin, Dark Blade is obv Union, Fusion, Yamimakai LORE. Tatsunigo is kinda of meme in jp and even got a retrain in RUSH. Trihorn is a kinda wellknown early beatstick card. Was even in the pack with the riots.
Key mace's 'prominence' is admittedly weak.
halcyon crane
Ohh right Tatsunoto has RUSH retrain
I feel like this is the correct time they made Shapesnatch/Morinphen memento
jade iron
Fun fact: coral dragon is a grown up version of Tatsunoko
halcyon crane
Hmm are seahorse synchros related in YGO
Mare Mare also used in Synchro Wyrm as well
halcyon crane
wild siren
<@131023596607897600> what are your thought with Dark Blade as Memento monster?
okay so
Aesthetically I love it, and him being there now means I will need to play Memento
He looks fantastic
BUUUUUT he a bit of an outlier for sure, so it's slightly odd all things considered
And it's also kinda sad that this means we'll likely never see that yamimakai lore
halcyon crane
Yeah the implication of there being "memento" means chance those cards aren't gonna be explored again in the future so it felt like swan song more than anything
wild siren
yeah and if we do ever get a king of yamimakai retrain, he'll probably be part of some panik bullshit because DM
Oh well, Dark Blade is Dark Blade
lean surge
Nah, this will prob be similar to Metaphys.
With retrains on couple old cards but because of lack of any other direct LORE, the mons prob can get a diff retrain in the future.
See smthg like Metaphys Daedalus and we later got Chaos version.
viral orbit
I do wonder if the next Diabellstarr lore theme is gonna have a great moth parody
or any dk monster for that matter
silver harbor
I hope it’s not just DM era nonsense being parodied
hushed dune
Diabellstarr is about Parodies?
viral orbit
Diabellstarr is about Parodies?
she's a parody of dark magician... Snake-Eyes in the other hand is... BEWD...
She supported by S/Ts just like DM... Snake-Eyes in the other hand is supported by level 1 monsters ... just like BEWD
viral orbit
I hope it’s not just DM era nonsense being parodied
idk i could be fun (if it's just not too deep)
like i would love an archetype to randomly get great moth themed thingy outta nowhere
hushed dune
I fail to see the Parodie Aspect of it but they are pretty similar with Stats and all too
real flame
Do we know fallen of albaz's name?
long bison
No, not his original name...if he had one. Albaz shall be his name forever.
real flame
gotcha
foggy lotus
long bison
So H.A.M.P. has finally appeared. But I just want it all to be over so I can see the next story. 
jade iron
H.a.m.p.t.e.r
long bison
jade iron
cedar sand
Is there anything in lore saying that swordsouls can't use each other's swords?
Except longyuan of course, but Mo ye's sword was technically his own because it was part of his own soul
cedar sand
It's for a story concept I'm toying with
viral orbit
Is there anything in lore saying that swordsouls can't use each other's swords?
nope
once the sword is made, anyone can use it. and it's just glows with the user's soul
it's why Mo Ye's was not Black while she was using it. but turned Black Again when Longyuan took it
glass blaze
Dug up more lore
With the recent reveals yesterday I decided to fish this up from the lore Skull Guardian has
From The Sacred Cards/Reshef of Destruction:
"A humanoid being that has wicked swords in the place of arms.
It upholds the rules, and forbids all cheating."
Dunno what to make of this, but assuming this, it would mean that Skull Guardian generally is something of an avenger. It's called up, but it's not there to serve, but to command.
stone prism
Dunno what to make of this, but assuming this, it would mean that Skull Guardian...
Strange, I thought that Novox was given command of Skill Guardian by Saffira's blessing
glass blaze
Likely is that
Cause really, whatever information The Sacred Cards tells you is dubious at best
long bison
Who tf is Novox?
Is she based on a fictional or real life figure?
I do love her new look though.
It's definitely a glow-up from her non-detailed clothes lol.
jade iron
Yoo she's real
wide plume
Damn talk about a glow up.
halcyon crane
I love that's her name now
Back then I assume it's supposed to means No Vox Prayer, as in, "silent prayer"
But then again, "Silent" (shizuka) itself is legit a Japanese name, despite it's not her OCG name
hushed dune
Only thing that bothers me is that she looks way younger then in the OG
wild siren
Bishoujofication
lean surge
So, new Majespecter support is either vs VFD or post. I'm going with post but like why did Majespecter(/Igknights and Dinomist) disappear until now. Like I thought there was a sizable timeskip or smthg, but no, they were just off screen and doing nothing vs the True Kings.
On the note of vs/post VFD support waves.
We are still missing the Crystron and Zoo vs VFD waves.
Now, we might get Igknight Synchro Pend and Dinomist Fusion Pend in the future.
Dinomist Fusion Pend prob is gonna be a Contact Fusion like OG Dinomight.
Not sure what they'll do for Igknight Synchro, maybe let you use Normals as Tuners?
Could be cool if you could play those in some MFoes and/or DSlayer pile.
On that note tho, why isn't there a Drieath Dracoverlord.
Maybe we'll get both a Drieath Dracoverlord and a Rit Pend Dracoverlord at the same time for a post VFD for Amorphages that somehow survived or smthg.
Tho, I say this like any of this is guaranteed and we haven't been waiting for Crystron/Zoo waves since forever.
Oh ye, forgot to mention, it is wack that they gave Kirin a new form but no card for just it as a card. Only one with Maiden riding it.
The Xyz does specify Level 6 or lower. Maybe new Kirin isn't impossible or maybe they just unhit Kirin for it.
Is it even hit in OCG? [majespecter kirin]
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Is it even hit in OCG? [majespecter kirin]
Level: 6 | 
Pendulum Scale: 2
[ Spellcaster / Pendulum / Effect ]
ATK 2000 / DEF 2000
lean surge
Wait, I just realized.
Maiden's bottom half is a horse in her Majespecter form, how is she riding another horse?
She does still have a horse bottom here.
But unhorses herself for the Xyz.
devout hearth
the good old centaur stack
lean surge
Should've committed to the bit at this point.
Either keep the funny horse on horse or say fuck it and fuse her bottom to Kirin's.
Tho, new Kirin's isn't a horse and more Chinese Dragon.
022 is missing. Maybe we might get new Kirin this set and they just delayed the reveal for some reason.
Hmmmm. There's a spell slot in between Majespecter and Silenforc (Really hate this name.) Maybe 022 is a diff wave after all.
Oh wtf. Majespecter Xyz and Link only have one card in between. Considering how low Majespecter are in the order of the set already. We are only getting 1 other Link support for a deck.
Man, the amount of Traps this set feels extremely low.
Only 8.
Good, we don't have to deal with more garbage cards no one will play.
hushed dune
What did all these Archetypes have to do with eachother again?
lean surge
Majespecter, Igknight, and Dinomist are from the first half of Draco LORE.
Master Pendulum who has amnesia meets each of them and from the power of friendship or smthg learns to fusion, synchro, xyz into the various Dracoslayer ED forms, then confronts his evil half Lector who made the Amorphages (called Dracofiends in flavor text). Then Lector combines with one of them to become a Ritual. This final battle ends with both of them fusing into Master Peace, the True Dracoslayer.
Second half sees Master Peace travel and meet with various tribes (MFoes, Crystron, Zoodiac) who were fighting vs one of the True Kings. And he teaches them their respective ED mechanic as seen on their field spells.
Then the three true kings summon VFD from a diff dimension or smthg. To face off vs them the fourth True King Mariamne which is a good one shows up (also brings with her the small True Dracos who have some similarities with the original first half tribes) and fuses/gives power(?) to Master Peace making him the banned Master Peace. The three tribes pour their powers and combine it into Metaltron XII. And story ends on cliff hanger.
New support waves show us that the small True Dracos full on become the old three tribes for reasons. Also, each of the new three tribes managed to weaken VFD and absorb portion of the power of True King they fought (seen in Parametalfoes Fusion/Metalfoes Vanisher).
Newest Majespecter wave seems to be post fight v VFD since we don't see them fighting it in the spell, which I feel Konami would have done but it's either during or after the fight with it, since Majesty Maiden (one of the small True Dracos) is in her Majespecter evolved form.
That should be most of the brief summary.
jade iron
Dracolore is a mess, but I am happy it is back
Nobody deserves a cliffhanger as big as that one
halcyon crane
Yeah out of all lores, it is the most incomplete
long bison
Prayge we get more Dinomists. 🙂
halcyon crane
I forgor that Dracolore is separated into 2 part
Until I realized both Dinomist & Crystron are 2 separate water archetypes
stone prism
I'm happy for the new Majespecter support I'll probably get it.
Also I didn't realize the lore was that deep for the Dracolore
wild siren
Well I wouldn't call it deep
halcyon crane
And poor attempt to be part of DT as well
halcyon crane
The Metaltrons
I know the Zefra link come later but the fact that at first glance there's not much to differentiate them made me think "are we really doing this?"
jade iron
The metaltron connection is just endgame biblical characters tbh
There's not enough similarities
devout hearth
i will die on the "they are separate entities because their leg structures are different" hill
jade iron
The only similarity is that they are suits of armour
halcyon crane
Hmm guess the color scheme and the similar poses throw me off guard
jade iron
The problem is Metaltron is actually "Metatron", but Metalfoes + Crystron = Metaltron
With XII being the twelve Zoodiacs
But then just in case Metatron becomes an archetype, they had to translate the Zefra the same way
halcyon crane
I see owo
Yeah if it just normal Metatron I would assume otherwise
Guess it's another Warwolf situation?
pearl obsidian
Massive lore dump
New ice barrier cards seem to be showing the very beginnings of the ice barrier
Lansea is supposedly the original dragon
Before it was split in 3
And georgius was the original dragunity
And x-saber
And wayne's father i think (unsure about this one)
Also mirrorer is young prior
primal spire
Oh my god, finally
We have an infernoid link
Now the only thing is
What the fuck are the infernos cards
This doesn't fit in the lore
halcyon crane
They really put 2 different archetype from 2 different era
primal spire
OK hypothesis
The infernoids are the original version of the Zefra system
These being what the noids looked like
Before they were banished
Nvm hypothesis wrong
viral orbit
This doesn't fit in the lore
i think it's meant to be Infernoid Decatron > turns to Evil > Turns to Flood > Turns to Teirra.
both of the new noids have Tierra's tail.
guess they are just the first and middle stage of Tierra, and her summon wasn't just as immediate as the lore made it seem.
Flood also got the same vibe as Anoyatyllis... so it has the power of the 3 Ice dragons i'm guessing.
the 2 news spells don't tell us much sadly. other than Evil evolving to Flood after eating some stuff
well i guess the spell makes Flood look more Tierra-like
see the wings gears.
devout hearth
i think it's meant to be Infernoid Decatron > turns to Evil > Turns to Flood > T...
we can see decatron and tierra in imagination though
wide plume
I wonder if Flood is what was locked in the system by the Qliphort and Tierra tried to reconstruct it for the new body.
devout hearth
that little figure at the bottom of barrier is interesting, will have to wait for hi-res to try and see if it tells anything
devout hearth
Before they were banished
i'd be willing to buy this honestly, what makes you drop it
wide plume
Yeah no it sounds like a good theory.
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jade iron
Infernoid Decatron isn't Tierra, yeah
It becomes the evil Ptolemaios first
There's a winged creature at the bottom of Void Barrier
Doesn't look like Zefraath
Wing-wise, looks like Onuncu
Seems likely it's the original forms prior to their entrapment in the Qlis
Or Gungnir maybe
primal spire
i'd be willing to buy this honestly, what makes you drop it
Wrong system
Theyre emanation of the qliphoth not the sefiroth like the Zefra
However, I do think there's a good chance that they're the original system of the qliphoth
Anyway ill take a closer look at their designs later
jade iron
I'm not sure I buy Lancea being the original dragon
Have we any evidence to suggest the dragons were split into three?
primal spire
Not directly
But the "dragonic ancestor" does heavily suggest it
Ok so, early noteso n Noids
jade iron
But the "dragonic ancestor" does heavily suggest it
It could be the dragonic ancestor of the Ice Barrier cult themselves, i.e. it gave its power to trap Trish, Brio, and Gung
primal spire
Maybe?
Anyway, first design
Most notable thing is the absence of the canisters/transistors
jade iron
Dekatrons
devout hearth
it's a type of vacuum tube
jade iron
They're called dekatrons
devout hearth
where little bro got his name from
jade iron
Decatron is named after them + Deca for 10
primal spire
Which is a pretty big deal given how integral they were to the Noids
Also Evil uses design elements from multiple noids
Hes got Pirmais' legs and Sjettes tail
jade iron
I don't think Flood is pre-Tierra
Because Flood doesn't have any of the orbs or the Source of Destruction
primal spire
Orbs?
Ok so
As far as I can tell
Floods major elements are entirely new
I cant find any noid with the seperate snake tails, or that helmet/face
Btw does anyone recognise the winged figure in Void Barrier?
I assume its a Dragunity maybe
primal spire
Ok so new theory
These are the equivalent of the Zefra, but for the Qliphoth system
Their power was split up and sealed in the Qliphorts in the past, alongside Tierra herself, and Tierras attempt to reconstruct them gave rise to Infernoid Tierra
Specifically they are a system of the Qliphoth whose purpose is to "reset" the world
Alternatively
They could be the "ancient monsters" referred to in the Infernoids original blurb
Hmm
... were not getting a master guide for these are we
jade iron
Orbs?
They're called uuhh the pyrosomething or others
Sophia defeats Tierra, and scatters them across the world
Where they form into the Gem Knights
Sophia's set is on her armbands
& they fly out of Grysta in Saqlifice
/art Saqlifice
primal spire
Pyroxenes?
primal spire
Uh, not quite
The lore we got in Master Guide 5 states that Sophia created a core to seal Tierra
then broke it into 10 pieces creating the Pyroxenes
If this is pre-sealing of Tierra, then the cores wouldnt exist yet
jade iron
Hmm, valid apart from where you cited Master Guide 5
As I reject that canon
(they said mean things about Construct)
primal spire
There is one flaw in my theory
Which is that Sophia reset the world after Tierra was sealed
And if this were pre-Tierra sealing, then the current tribes shouldnt exist
Which pending the unknown figure in Void Barrier
Might make the theory fall apart
jade iron
Also Infernoid Evil is a stupid name
primal spire
These are Sophias Infernoids
Essentially replicas she created to fulfill the function the Infernoids originally fulfilled
jade iron
And not a great design imo
jade iron
What is Evil standing on in Blaze Up
jade iron
Idk I vibe with their designs
The eyes of evil make it look too goofy for me
primal spire
You mean the orbs to the side?
jade iron
Is Luster Pendulum
primal spire
Yeah those are weird clockwork orbs
Again, dont mind em
And I like the mouth
He screm
primal spire
Also too few
Ok yeah Im going with the theory of "these are Sophias version of the noids"
primal spire
What is Evil standing on in Blaze Up
... so I wanted to not acknowledge that one buuuut
Its a noid
jade iron
Are the white-gold Infernoids just moulting
jade iron
Infernoid Shedinja when
jade iron
Whatever happened with Genius
primal spire
🤷
Hmm
What is the Noid he is standing on in Blaze-Up
That weird yellow indent
I just cant find anything on it
Or like
Anything with that indent
umbral prairie
Yes, this tells us very little.
devout hearth
best noid gets a glow-up
devout hearth
that's its head
primal spire
Its got the colour and the black X too
Yeah I think thats the head and where the canisters would be
jade iron
Could Void Seer be related
primal spire
Sort of
I dont see canisters in this art
And void Seer shows Attondel without the canisters
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devout hearth
seer is like
attondel's gathering the tubes
jade iron
Attondel is so cool
primal spire
Hes alright, but not a top 3 Noid for me
devout hearth
true
primal spire
Hmmmm
devout hearth
ok thought
what if evil is like
the "prime" noid
and went around waking the others up
bc if that's attondel in blaze then bro's a bit crumpled
jade iron
While they were inside the Qli?
devout hearth
yea
jade iron
Could be post-Zefra ass-kicking
jade iron
The only Infernoids that managed to withstand the Zefra assault was Onuncu and Devyaty
Devyaty very nearly dying
devout hearth
After absorbing a being with the same aura as a god, that administrative privilege allowed access to the power of "Tierra", which was split up and sealed inside of the "Qliphorts". Under the control of "Tierra", "Winda" released the seal and revived the "Infernoids", the vanguards of the gods.
so it wouldn't be too much of a change to say evil was the one that got revived here and then it went to wake the others
primal spire
The lack of tubes is interesting though
primal spire
@sacred vector can I bother you for a sec? Whats the translation notes on Blaze-ups name
jade iron
is the fire coming out of Evil, or being sucked through Evil
primal spire
For reference
devout hearth
hm
jade iron
I know we don't usually attribute card effects to lore
But Blaze Up seems to allow you to recover 11 infernoids from being fused into Tierra
Obviously nowhere near proof, but would be an interesting backup plan
primal spire
Yeah
devout hearth
..could the thing in barrier be trish kroz?
primal spire
I assume its 11 because of Tierra
devout hearth
eh looks a little off
umbral prairie
I thought it might be Nekroz of Brionac, but it doesn't match either of the wing sets.
primal spire
Whats Sophia level?
umbral prairie
11
primal spire
Hm
jade iron
God number innit
devout hearth
brio looks like it might be closer
umbral prairie
All the "Star Gods" are 11
umbral prairie
brio looks like it might be closer
I wasn't convinced, but I could be
primal spire
I think its a dragunity tbh
primal spire
It's humanoid
jade iron
It's going to be Areadbhair
primal spire
Vaguely
umbral prairie
Areadbhair has like a bajillion wings though
devout hearth
yeah aread doesn't fit
jade iron
true, true
devout hearth
and brio's wing structure is completely different
zamn
maybe we just have to wait for the hi res art
jade iron
Sophia's wings are made of light and not draconic
primal spire
And for the remaining themes
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jade iron
Onuncu has the big ass circle
primal spire
Anyway I'll write up my possibilities for the new noids in a bit
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umbral prairie
So I found the Dragunity comment interesting, the wing shapes really do fit the Dragunities.
I'm not entirely convinced the figure is humanoid right now since the gigantic watermark covers half of it, but either way
The Dragunity with the wing shape that matched the most is Angusticlavii, or Dragunity Knight - Barcha, if you want to talk about him when he's green.
I don't really believe it's him, though.
But it could be like, any of the dragons.
devout hearth
getting a barcha reference of all things, and here, would be fucking wild
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jade iron
Damn
devout hearth
this would have been cool
jade iron
LOOK OUT INFERNOID FLOOD, IT'S LARA THE SPIRITUAL BEAST TAMER WITH A STEEL CHAIR
hushed dune
This looks almost Fanmade lol
jade iron
Tail is the same too
primal spire
It's the head for me
devout hearth
ah yeah i can see it
jade iron
Where'd da goofy eyes go
devout hearth
primal spire
You barely see a white orb there ye
jade iron
:infernoidpog:
devout hearth
real
primal spire
Ok but we should make that emote once we get the hi-res art
Hm
This ... complicates things
umbral prairie
No progress on the Dragunity front, the Dragons' wings are too similar.
But for sure the wings are closer to Dragunity than any other archetype I can think of.
jade iron
Did you check the Dracoslayers
umbral prairie
Do you seriously
primal spire
Ok new hypotehsis
Or rather, addendum to existing one
This is indeed in the past
Its an Infernoid replica created by Sophia to allow her to reset the world
wild siren
Damn this is a LOT of lore theorising I'm missing huh
primal spire
Blaze-Up is it absorbing the powers of the locked away Noids
Becoming flood
Sophias equivalent of Infernoid Tierra
primal spire
Damn this is a LOT of lore theorising I'm missing huh
This is the first crumb of proper lore we got in years
Of course were gonna overanalyse it
jade iron
Doesn't answer the Void Barrier question
umbral prairie
Alright, I checked. Sorry for interrupting, UNOvven.
It's not a Dracoslayer, all the Dracoslayers (except Banned Master Peace) have the same type of wings, and you can see that their scales all begin to show from around the wrist (of the wing).
The entire back part of their wings are covered in scales (As seen in Draco Face-Off), rather than being the same as the front, which is what I believe we see in Final Barrier.
primal spire
As in who is in Void Barrier?
My guess is, whoever stood against, and defeated Flood
Which would likely be one of the 2 archetypes weve yet to see
devout hearth
.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait
wild siren
This is the first crumb of proper lore we got in years
fair lmao.
DT lore manga next plz
devout hearth
is it lancea???
umbral prairie
You know, someone said earlier we're getting DT lore from two different gens.
But maybe we're not.
If the Ice Barrier Dragon is the ancestor/merged form of the three Ice Dragons, then UNOvven might be correct to say this is in the past as well.
I was right there with you Kataigis
devout hearth
the ice barrier stuff is definitely at least partially in the past
primal spire
is it lancea???
Wait it could be
jade iron
art Artifact Lancea
umbral prairie
Gen 0 DT
primal spire
The only thing Im unsure on
Is scale
The winged creature is tiny compared to Flood
devout hearth
infernoids got beaten back by the original ice barrier
yeah but if this is tierra scale
umbral prairie
Well, we know Tierra is disgustingly big
devout hearth
flood would be fucking massive
jade iron
If Lancea pulls a Spell Wall
and summons the fuckin Ice Barrier Seal to fuck up Flood
I will accept it
devout hearth
frozen domain shows prior, who originally sealed the dragons way back when
and lancea is the dragonic ancestor
so mirror magic master and georg could be old too
primal spire
So the issue with scale is
jade iron
on a shit filler card
umbral prairie
No Shaddoll in Terminal World...
primal spire
I have no idea how big Tierra is relative to the Ice Barrier Dragons
umbral prairie
Let me see if I can help you.
jade iron
I kinda hate Ascalon's design
But then also like the concept of a scattered body growing into independent creatures
devout hearth
a[void apocalypse]
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a[void apocalypse]
devout hearth
raath is about the same size as tierra, maybe a little smaller
so people are really small
jade iron
why is Gungnir here >:c
devout hearth
the little dude under wendi is kroz decisive armor
umbral prairie
a[Zefra War]
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a[Zefra War]
primal spire
Hmm
devout hearth
scaling from this trish should be uhh
primal spire
Could line up then
devout hearth
maybe knee height stretched out?
primal spire
The Ice barrier dragons arent that large
devout hearth
a[ice dragon's prison]
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a[ice dragon's prison]
jade iron
the little dude under wendi is kroz decisive armor
and Ulti-Cannahawk to the left of Wendi
primal spire
And I am 99% certain its Sophia using the Noids for her own purposes
It explains why Evil/Flood are so weird compared to the other noids
devout hearth
bro didn't notice a giant fucking head stealing the ice barrier powers
i'd probably retire too
jade iron
I maintain Shurit died freezing Shek
It's the only thing that makes sense
Because stupid kid donning the armour of the worldender Trish and fucking EVERYTHING up
is funny
umbral prairie
Before I math myself to hell, do we have any reason to believe Nekroz of Gungnir is not human sized?
devout hearth
probably not
so we have something along the lines of
- we start forever ago, before the ice barrier sealed the dragons
- there's a fourth dragon, or maybe it's the three combined?
- infernoid evil, origins unknown, sucks up power from the other dormant noids
- evil becomes flood for an unknown purpose
- lancea ends up facing off with flood
- flood presumably dies since we never see it again; lancea either dies or is split into three
devout hearth
a[zefra divine strike]
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a[zefra divine strike]
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a[dragunity divine lance]
umbral prairie
a[Dragunity Divine Lance]
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a[Dragunity Divine Lance]
devout hearth
it's not that big
umbral prairie
Oh, sorry
devout hearth
and exa is around normal human size i think
umbral prairie
I'll assume Gungnir is a bit bigger than human size, then.
jade iron
hmm
seems weird that Divine Lance would be smaller than Ascalon
But valid reasoning nonetheless
umbral prairie
Okay, so-
primal spire
so we have something along the lines of
- we start forever ago, before the ice b...
Seems about right
jade iron
Also for completions sake
The Blaze Up Infernoid is from one of the Qliphorts who eventually becomes Tierra Source
umbral prairie
As mentioned prior, Trishula is about the same size as Ascalon, and Ascalon is "small" enough to be ridden by a presumably normal-sized human (Dux).
For the sake of simplicity I'll throw some really vague numbers here and say Dux is 1.80m (5'10'') and Ascalon/Trishula are about 6m (20ft) tall.
Void Apocalypse scaling is weird (just look at Wendi) but at best Nekroz of Gungnir would get drowned in Zefraath's hair, if we assume she's right next to him (Which she is almost certainly not). So we can assume Zefraath is a little more than double the size of Trishula, maybe even bigger. We'll put Zefraath at 15m (49ft) and Tierra at 16.50m (54ft).
That scale seems... A little off for Final Barrier. But I think it's certainly possible for it to be Lansea and Flood.
Here's a visual representation using big hoomans
jade iron
Don't know if that's super relevant
devout hearth
yeah the camera angle on apoc is incredibly wacky for trying to scale
jade iron
Do we know how tall the Sacred Tree is
devout hearth
i was basing it off decisive armor being right up next to raath
uhhhh tree is really fucking big
lemme
a[qlipper launch]
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a[qlipper launch]
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a[tellarknight genesis]
devout hearth
that's deka there
jade iron
I mean the Dekatrons, not Decatron
devout hearth
a
jade iron
The vacuum tubes
devout hearth
spelling is my passion fr
jade iron
Sorry, shouldn't've capitalised it
jade iron
a[Infernoid Seitsemas]
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a[Infernoid Seitsemas]
jade iron
Seitsemas has a Qliphort spear, neat
Also roughly 20 dekatrons high
say a dekatron is 6ft, that's 120ft for Seitsemas alone
devout hearth
yeah all the noids are massive
you can see trees down by the bottom of uh
attondel iirc
umbral prairie
This seems to point to the fact that Lansea really could be it then. The bigger Tierra/Zefraath/Flood are, the smaller the Ice Barrier Dragons get.
Dux is literally the size of Ascalon's head. It kind of surprised me how small it was.
(Though Ascalon seems to have grown a little bit between the monster art and Ice Dragon's Prison, imo)
halcyon crane
Ye noid are ridiculously beeg
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a[Dragunity Partisan]
jade iron
a[Infernoid Pirmais]
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a[Infernoid Pirmais]
jade iron
Presumably the smallest Infernoid still seems to be about 15ft
devout hearth
friend-sized
halcyon crane
jade iron
a[Infernoid Antra]
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a[Infernoid Antra]
halcyon crane
Good thing the tube is good indicator for the size
jade iron
Assuming the tube size is standard, ofc
primal spire
a[Infernoid Antra]
This one seems not that large
devout hearth
ah antra has trees too
jade iron
Isn't there a monster effect difference between 1-4 & 5-8
devout hearth
1-4 only summon from hand
halcyon crane
I assume their size is equivalent to their star except Decatron
devout hearth
5+ can summon from hand or gy
jade iron
a[Infernoid Harmadik]
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a[Infernoid Harmadik]
primal spire
1-4 summon from hand, 5-8 summon from grave, 9 and 10 replace the dd crow effect with a negate
jade iron
About 20ft?
devout hearth
so the little guys are actually relatively little
huh i never noticed harmadik has hooves
jade iron
Antra hard to scale because the dekatron is angled
halcyon crane
literal foot soldiers
umbral prairie
How big are we saying the dekatrons are?
jade iron
a[Infernoid Decatron]
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a[Infernoid Decatron]
jade iron
There's a person in the bottom one
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a[Nephe Shaddoll Fusion]
jade iron
also uuh [Nephe Shaddoll Fusion]
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also uuh [Nephe Shaddoll Fusion]
umbral prairie
There's this too
devout hearth
yea
umbral prairie
So they're like... 7ft?
primal spire
[Shaddoll Construct]
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[Shaddoll Construct]
devout hearth
bit larger than average person
primal spire
Roughly yes
umbral prairie
[Shaddoll Construct]
Let's not talk about this one
jade iron
I mean Lapis wasn't exactly huge
umbral prairie
Isn't El Construct massive though?
umbral prairie
even there she's probably about 20ft tall
I don't know if that's possible.
jade iron
She had a growth spurt
devout hearth
wasn't it uhhh
umbral prairie
I'm assuming El Construct just, yeah, exactly that.
devout hearth
wasn't baby construct was the actual lapis and el was just a shell?
jade iron
what if Infernoid Flood is the mechanism by which Tierra fucks with the cycle of rebirth
umbral prairie
It could be what gets Tierra bonked by Sophia to begin with.
Gets her admin privileges taken away.
primal spire
what if Infernoid Flood is the mechanism by which Tierra fucks with the cycle of...
Unlikely, its stated to be the vacuum tubes
Which Flood lacks
(The decatrons)
jade iron
a[void launch]
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a[void launch]
primal spire
Im assuming its Sophias way of resetting the world
jade iron
Seitsemas is 120ft, how fucking big is Carrier
primal spire
The Qlis are gigantic
jade iron
a[qliphort carrier]
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a[qliphort carrier]
devout hearth
a[re-qliate] has some background i think
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a[re-qliate] has some background i think
devout hearth
ok yeah
jade iron
The Qliphort are literally more like settings than creatures
umbral prairie
^^^^^^^^
jade iron
a[Qliphort Helix]
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a[Qliphort Helix]
umbral prairie
You could have a whole town on top of them
primal spire
But yeah, my theory is flood is a replication of the infernoids created by Sophia as her way of resetting the world
jade iron
a[Laser Qlip]
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a[Laser Qlip]
primal spire
Only to be destroyed by the ice barrier dragon
umbral prairie
So...
primal spire
Forcing her to, eventually, take matters in her own hands
umbral prairie
Vacuum tubes are big, which makes Infernoids quite big, which makes Qliphorts literal landscapes.
...Wtf is the Sacred Tree?
devout hearth
the qli are stated to maintain the balance of the qliphoth system
and as shown they are quite capable of extermination on their own
primal spire
the qli are stated to maintain the balance of the qliphoth system
and as shown t...
Right but Sophia doesnt have control over them
jade iron
a[Ritual Beast's Promised Return]
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a[Ritual Beast's Promised Return]
devout hearth
and realize that that is a fraction of the tree
jade iron
Decatron's dekatron seems... extremely large here
also shoutout to "haven't been able to stop crying" Pelican & Wendi
primal spire
The Qliphort are part of the qliphoth subsystem belonging to Tierra
devout hearth
the qliphoth was what was sealing tierra
jade iron
a[Hexatellarknight]
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a[Hexatellarknight]
devout hearth
yeah this was before it uprooted
primal spire
Plus it explains the colour scheme
The Noids use muted colours and dull brass or steel
But Evil and Flood are bright colours and shiny gold
umbral prairie
Interesting.
halcyon crane
Flood is almost spiritual in essence
jade iron
Part of me wants to learn 3d modelling just so I can make the Infernoids/Qliphort
devout hearth
based
primal spire
Imagine a game where you get to explore the Qliphorts and fight strange creatures on them
umbral prairie
Part of me wants to learn 3d modelling just so I can make the Infernoids/Qliphor...
You know those videos showing like... the scale of bombs and stuff?
One of those, but with Qliphorts and Infernoids and people, and the Star Gods
devout hearth
that'd be cool
umbral prairie
You could have a Yugioh fighting game with a stage set on top of a Qliphort
If your fighters are humanoid it'd be so big you probably wouldn't even notice.
jade iron
Check THIS out
halcyon crane
devout hearth
when el construct hits you with the 632146S 5P 5K 5S 5H 5D 5K 5S 632146H
umbral prairie
Nice
jade iron
when el construct hits you with the 632146S 5P 5K 5S 5H 5D 5K 5S 632146H
I just think that Satellarknight Genesis is a bs move
a[Infernoid Tierra]
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a[Infernoid Tierra]
umbral prairie
lmao
primal spire
God imagine if the remaining 2 archetypes raise this many questions
And then we never get an explanation
silver harbor
we never find out what happens to Lara
devout hearth
the rit beast cards will reveal it trust 
primal spire
Imagine if they actually got a professional writer to fix the DT lore
And make books out of it
silver harbor
true yuri is when your "best friend" leaves to become god and you are left to fall victim to the systems of the world
lapis and lazuli are just homura and madoka but steven universe
wild siren
I mean I still think of them as like sisters personally, but I do get what you mean
jade iron
Imagine if they actually got a professional writer to fix the DT lore
A professional writer wouldn't let Kerykeion job to Caingorgon
I suppose you could make it a 2v1, Construct & Cairngorgon vs Kery
viral orbit
bro there's no fixing what they did to Construct
the most cope thing ever
it has been forever, get over it
wild siren
???
Did you need to ping me over this
Damn boy, no need to be a jerk about me being half-jokey
primal spire
@foggy lotus hey quick question, what's the literal translation/intended meaning on void blaze up?
jade iron
the most cope thing ever
How is this cope
viral orbit
How is this cope
"why isn't the story just like my headcanon fr fr, bed writing."
jade iron
"why isn't the story just like my headcanon fr fr, bed writing."
That's literally not cope
Seethe, perhaps
viral orbit
feels very to me
wild siren
Cool, we're still not on a level where you can be rude to me
Get off your damn high horse
viral orbit
think whatever you like of it for all i care.
and the fact you have made a big story of what i said tells alot tbh.
foggy lotus
<@189578328544378880> hey quick question, what's the literal translation/intende...
熾動する煉獄
煉獄 is "void" in TCG or "purgatory" in JP
熾動する is wordplay, 熾 is like kindling/starting a fire and 熾動 "shidou" is homonym for 始動 which is like "activating" in the sense you activate a piece of machinery or start up your car
primal spire
Yeah Im making the guess based on the art
But it could also be Evil absorbing the power
To become Flood
halcyon crane
Speaking of, why the name Flood?
jade iron
Speaking of, why the name Flood?
God is angry on your doing
halcyon crane
The others has been either demonic name of numerical/computer name
jade iron
Wants to bring a fire flood
halcyon crane
Ahh
jade iron
Is the text in Qliphort Monolith
The Fire Flood being the Infernoids
[Qliphort Monolith]
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[Qliphort Monolith]
Level: 5 | Pendulum Scale: 1
[ Machine / Pendulum / Normal ]
ATK 2400 / DEF 1000
halcyon crane
The cipher language owo
jade iron
Sorry, the fire flood bit is in the OCG card text
English text deciphers to "Contact with the Sacred Tree is forbidden. The scourge has been unleashed"
primal spire
These 2 dont fit the existing naming scheme
jade iron
Evil is the worse name of the two, though
primal spire
They dont fit the aesthetic quite either
halcyon crane
They should've cipher into OCG text as well, it's not like parent would know what it means
Personally I like TCG name
jade iron
The TCG names are super cool
halcyon crane
Deviaty for example, sounds more cryptid (in a sense they using different language) over generic demon name no. 9
halcyon crane
Also the ordinal theming works with either computer stuff or demon hierarchy
jade iron
The intersection is cool ye
primal spire
The TCG names are so much more interesting than the OCG names
My favourite is Seitsemas
halcyon crane
Yeet
I'd assume they also pick Flood because it's also computer term
Then again it still OCG name
TCG name could be Scourge (following TCG Monolith text) for all we know
Hopefully not, that's even more generic than generic demon name no Nth
pearl obsidian
and lancea is the dragonic ancestor
so mirror magic master and georg could be ol...
Mirror magic master is young prior
pearl obsidian
Mirror and prior both being aqua suggests this highly
And the fact that both of them are amongst the only ice barriers to not have a floodgate effect
And the fact both are level 2
Also remember to look at their effects
They normally have lore implications in it
Like with raye how the entire either of her quick effect is that she is equipping the sky striker armor immediately and how the effect where she summons herself after it gets removed is that well, the armor gets damaged and she dequips it
Oh more hints at mirror being prior is them sharing the exact same stats
Yeah i think we can all agree that mirror is young prior
pearl obsidian
the
Level 2
Aqua
1000/400
Ice barrier monster without a floodgate effect
That locks ourselves
Who has brown hair
halcyon crane
I focused too much on Ice Barrior synchro tends to be disruption that I forgor their non-synchro has floodgates
pearl obsidian
Someone mentioned to me before that georgius has connections to dragunity, x-saber and mist valley alongside the ice barrier thing
pearl obsidian
I focused too much on Ice Barrior synchro tends to be disruption that I forgor t...
Also yeah
The idea with it being that well, they are the protectors of the ice barrier and are very literally floodgating 3 dragons XD
OH
I just realized that trishula 0 comes before base trishula
If the 3 really are lancea split in 3... this would mean that the red we see from 0 might be right after the split
pearl obsidian
I focused too much on Ice Barrior synchro tends to be disruption that I forgor t...
What do you think?
halcyon crane
Does this means Gungnir are about to split as well? It got the same red coloration
pearl obsidian
Does this means Gungnir are about to split as well? It got the same red colorati...
No no
I think the idea is that trishula 0 essentially lost most of its power (and losing the red colouration) which is why trishula 0 floats into trishula regular
Maybe one day we will get brionac 0 and gungnir 0
halcyon crane
pearl obsidian
Oh
Wait
OOOO
Thats why lancea floats and into a synchro summon of an ice barrier monster
Cause that effect is the split
Im liking the split theory more
Actually wait
Maybe zero into trish is not losing power but trish fully awakening thus why part of its floating effect is to basically negate and weaken every monster and going up to 3300 atk
With lancea have 3300 atk as to further connect the 2?
pearl obsidian
okay so i decided to catch myself up with the ice barrier lore
so
lots of theories
one includes me thinking that maybe, the reason why fusion trish and new brio dont have ice barrier in their names is that, lore wise, this was a time they werent related to the ice barrier? like maybe those 3 are the ones who were around before they got sealed
trish 0 might be the one which got freed
not sure
could be any way around at this point
for prior's story
i can see where it is, young prior probably did meet lancea, lancea was probably split after the meeting, prior decide to leave the land in search of a way to deal with the 3 dragons, and then the cont traps shows prior coming back from his long journey with an answer as to how
oh and the cont trap needing the 3 ice barrier cards reveal is 100% because the of the 3 dragons trish, brionac and gungnir, and once they were sealed the land was no longer like that
jade iron
Trish, Brio, and Gungir being named after weaponry always made me wonder if they were exiled from the Dragon Ravine
pearl obsidian
there's also the question of georgius
who looks like he's from mist valley
what is he doing in ice barrier exactly?
like
if we assume that, just like all 7 other cards taking place before the sealing of the 3 dragons, that georgius is also part of pre-seal
why is he there?
actually now that i think about it
if it was very much lancea who fought flood and that young prior witness it happen
then
the reason why prior knew how to make a trap using the void which are related to the infernities
would be because he witnessed one first hand?
@primal spire what do you think?
primal spire
Possible
jade iron
Oh true, I forgot the Ice Barriers utilised Void
pearl obsidian
prior gives us a lot of answers on timeline questions
cause he has a very clear trajectory
from mirror magic master, into prior, into lands and etc.
pearl obsidian
do you guys think these prequel cards is going to lead to a whole bunch of duel terminal prequel cards?
primal spire
Probably not beyond this set