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#Yugioh Lore Discussion
wide plume
Didn't Tierra hack into the world tree, not the Qli to mess with the cycle of life/death/reincarnation?
primal spire
?query Qliphort Scout
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Level: 5 | 
Pendulum Scale: 9
[ Machine / Pendulum / Normal ]
ATK 1000 / DEF 2800
viral orbit
Tierra 100% hacked into them. when she normally shouldn't have had access
wide plume
The Qliphort sealed the Tierra.
I would imagine they would not be sealing Tierra if they were hers.
viral orbit
Psure only the Infernoids are Tierra's
wide plume
Underground, hidden beneath the "Sacred Tree", lie the "Qliphorts" and the 'qliphoth' system which seals "Tierra". At the contact with "Winda", the seal had been broken, and the "Sacred Tree" ripped itself from the ground, floating into the sky. In the face of such an overwhelming event, even with the "Tellarknights" and those gathered at the "Sacred Tree" present, nothing could be done to stop it. At the same time, a change was also happening at the remains of the supposedly defeated "El Shaddoll Grysta". The 10 'Cores' emerged from within "Grysta" and were absorbed by the "Sacred Tree". The 10 'Cores' absorbed by the 'qliphoth' system turned into energy source cores, finally booting up the "Qliphorts".
The "Shaddolls", now little more than an aimless mob, were being systematically eliminated by the "Qliphorts". However, as "Qliphort Scout" restrained and absorbed "Winda", the situation was turned completely on its head. After absorbing a being with the same aura as a god, that administrative privilege allowed access to the power of "Tierra", which was split up and sealed inside of the "Qliphorts". Under the control of "Tierra", "Winda" released the seal and revived the "Infernoids", the vanguards of the gods.
viral orbit
Yah Tierra used the Shaddoll bs to basically gain access
primal spire
Im pretty sure the way it goes is that originally Sophia and Tierra were both part of the same system
jade iron
I would imagine they would not be sealing Tierra if they were hers.
The orbs I assume granted access
primal spire
Sophia using the Sefirot reincarnation system and Tierra using the Qliphoth reincarnation system
But Sophia sealed Tierra
wide plume
I'm honestly just copy/pasting from the master guide we have pinned.
jade iron
Sophia took the orbs, used the Qliphort system to seal Tierra, then used the orbs to create the Gem Knights
Then via Grysta the orbs ended up back in the Qliphort Tree
primal spire
Yeah
Allowing Tierra to reactivate the Qlis who were her agents, and eventually to break the seal
wide plume
Yeah that sounds riight
primal spire
Zefra are Sophias agents, they later activated via the Sefirot
jade iron
Just when Sophia used the Qliphort she had the admin rights
viral orbit
Deuma strikes again
viral orbit
wich one is the original?
Duema one
foggy lotus
Oh hey 
viral orbit
aka Ritual Synchro, Xyz and Link ?
Fusion is Albion it self so...
rip pendulum, you had no place
inb4 they are hinting at the Extra Extra Monster Zone...
Wait ...Bystial Synchro in the opponent's EM > White Zoa in the opponent's Center MMZ.
While you have the Tri Link 5 in your EMZ and Sargas xyz in Center MMZ...
viral orbit
i still wonder how its going to wrap up
viral orbit
cedar sand
https://twitter.com/hatano_kiyoshi/status/1608586117166796801?s=19
Deep pass overdrive!
earnest snow
Wait ...Bystial Synchro in the opponent's EM > White Zoa in the opponent's Cente...
Is this illuminati 2.0
lean surge
Quem possessing Fleur?
Bigger question is how the fuck did she get the armor and the hand wings back.
long bison
I love that Despia randomly became a synchro archetype lol
viral orbit
Bigger question is how the fuck did she get the armor and the hand wings back.
The lore (translated by the ygorg) says that Quem's true body is Quaeritis or something in those lines. and Quaeritis is just an upgrade of White Knight (aka the Armor).
viral orbit
I love that Despia randomly became a synchro archetype lol
Everyone is turning white
cuz Albus means white...
funny konami...
so was Quem's inside the Armor all alone while her fake "saint body" was doing other stuff...
lean surge
The lore (translated by the ygorg) says that Quem's true body is Quaeritis or so...
Which section is this in? I can't seem to find it.
lean surge
Aah, I was looking at the top part but not the sentence below.
Hmmmm. Don't remember this in Ducky's tl.
@foggy lotus Can you confirm this?
lean surge
Saw someone post the gy eff on new Synchro can be seen as when you beat her, you get the original(/Swordsoul) Fleur back.
viral orbit
Saw someone post the gy eff on new Synchro can be seen as when you beat her, you...
time to beat the quaeritis out of her
foggy lotus
<@189578328544378880> Can you confirm this?
Yeah lemme find the page in the raw
I have a vague recollection this passage kind of sucked to TL
Using the power of the ritual brought about by the boy who descended from the sky, Quem the First Saint was granted a temporary body. Since the foundation of the Dogmatika nation, there had been 663 Brands of Saints steeped in despair embedded in sacred relics. As for the remaining two, their deep affection will also become sweet nourishment. Everything is nothing more than a tragicomedy being conducted in the palm of a hand, merely a prelude to the villainous play that was only just unfolding. The tale of a boy and girl, tossed about by a fate they cannot avoid, is rapidly unfolding...
This was mine
OH the second part derp 
OH
Yeah now I remember
What Fleurdelis struck was Quaeritis, transformed by Quem's miracle.
This is the original
I translated it quite literally from what I can tell
OH
I see what's happening okay
I think I get it?
Quem's temporary body is Quaeretis
viral orbit
@foggy lotus is there any mention of Quaeritis being made out of souls ?
foggy lotus
I'm not
Seeing where that's from
Despian Comedy
The Holy Stigma that Maximus had granted to the people were in fact closed, dormant Brands in prepartion for the Time of Gospel. The ritual opened Brands carved into their flesh, and became Holes.
This is the blurb with Despian Comedy
Hmm
Uuugh guess I'll check org
Huh
I don't see it
Am I missing part of the page
viral orbit
ygorg translation is not the best this time either.
foggy lotus
Because this is the page I worked off hmmm
OH
I SEE IT
OKAY YEP
It was just
Formatted weird on Org's article
Despian Quaeritis
What embedded in Sacred Relics were the cursed souls of past Saints. By the power of the ritual, they transformed into sinister forms.
Because it's associated with Quaeritis
Not Despian Comedy
So yes
viral orbit
Thanks
foggy lotus
Should've been like this I guess as a snip
young lynx
silver harbor
So the good targets are exactly the ecclesias
viral orbit
Luluwalilith sounds like how u would say Lulu & Lilith in arabic
i wonder if it was intentional to make it sound like that
young lynx
Is the "time-rending morganite" a Visas lore related card?
silver harbor
seemingly not
young lynx
one hand kinda looks like the scareclaw visas hand tho
long bison
Is the "time-rending morganite" a Visas lore related card?
Kinda looks like one of the Evil Eye cards.
hollow wraith
morganite is spelled with the kanji "evil eye" but not the same as the archetype evil eye
so they could be related
foggy lotus
<@189578328544378880> Can I get a tl please. <:amenodoremi:811656473053888592>
She's celebrating Kagari going to 2 in OCG and in MD and she's happy that thanks to the manga she got a bunch of new friends, and a bunch of striker cards came off the list or came to 2, etc. in 2022
THEN SHE GOES ON A RAMBLE LIKE
WELL AND SPEAKING OF GOOD CARDS
I DON'T WANT MUCH BUT
Since the striker meta cards were all banned... she'd like
Deep breath
Engage
Hornet drones
Halq
The 3 handrip spells
Pot of greed
Graceful
Card of safe return
Heavy storm
Giant trunade
Snatch steal
Last will
Soul charge
Painful choice
Foolish burial/burial goods
Change of heart
Monster reborn
Rota
Terraforming
Harpy's feather duster
Crossout designator/called by
Raigeki
Lightning storm
To all come off the list
Ciela's like "That a bit of a tall order 
"
Raye's like "I'm fine if they ban all the 2022 new striker cards [instead]"
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Raye's like "I'm fine if they ban all the 2022 new striker cards [instead]"
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foggy lotus
primal spire
I dont really think Strikers would want HFD or Lightning off the list
foggy lotus
She just wants big cards off the list
primal spire
Dont talk to me or my son ever again indeed
golden flax
Costing 223 is a very funny 2023 joke
foggy lotus
I need to know 
halcyon crane
owo Salamandra
foggy lotus
Oh Cly worked it out it's [shuranui shogunsaga]
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Oh Cly worked it out it's [shuranui shogunsaga] <:SlowpokeWheeze:767232267029970...
Level: 8
[ Zombie / Synchro / Effect ]
ATK 3000 / DEF 0
foggy lotus
yeah there's been a whole discussion in general
cedar sand
Oh
lean surge
Genuienly hard to tell what the spells are supposed to be. The art feels so busy.
Trap is straightforward, Albaz attack and in Trib spell we see Golden flames go towards Dis Pater.
Not sure if Fleur is attacking Dis Pater or Bucephallus, kinda looks like the former.
But Bucephallus looks to be defending himself in the Trib what with the weapon body blocking and pointing it downwards, but it could also be him post firing it or smthg.
If Fleur is really attacking Dis Pater, does that mean she broke free of Quem thru willpower or smthg?
Because it makes no sense she'd be back to full power and Despiafied without Quem's involvement but if still under her control then wouldn't attack Dis Pater.
viral orbit
Why's Iris "Despia Synchro" considered a Swordsoul lol...
foggy lotus
Because she has swordsoul powers 
viral orbit
Does that mean Rich Daddy has the power of Swordsoul too...
is that why they attacked the icejade/swordsoul tho, to get their synchro power?
only 3 cards
does this mean the 4 main deck monsters are not albaz lore ?
halcyon crane
I only know our man Shuraig is in it
On unrelated note, is the scrap kong kid grown up and decide to put his past behind and embrace it?
Or he is unrelated goblin that happen to wear the same shirt like the other goblin dad?
Is Scrap Kong considered beloved classic by old folks in that universe?
lean surge
Unrelated old goblin.
The other kid goblin are Scrap Kong kid's friends.
a[gift exchange]
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a[gift exchange]
lean surge
That's not his dad.
foggy lotus
lean surge
I think it's just some dude who goes seeing (what he thinks is) another Scrap Kong enthusiast.
a[matching outfits]
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a[matching outfits]
lean surge
It kinda looks like they are walking opposite directions here.
And new old Goblin has one too. So, it's popular among middle aged Goblins, I guess.
halcyon crane
Yeah, which I assume it maybe considered a classic character by middle age Gobs
Kinda like Pink Phanter I guess, except the entire schtick is Scrap Kong always fails at something
zealous berry
Okay we havent seen aluber since long. Is he fused with zoa to dis pater? Because the horns look like lubellions
Formwise
long bison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlDCkI5akAAW0H7?format=jpg&name=small
I dunno, is Albion protecting Shuraig in this picture from Zoa and Iris?
That's the vibe I'm getting from Albion's powers seemingly circling Shuraig.
viral orbit
Okay we havent seen aluber since long. Is he fused with zoa to dis pater? Becaus...
last time we saw him.
it was not that long really
halcyon crane
I often forgor how beeg Bystiel Lubel the Bubel of Dubel is
His own art doesn't give such impression
viral orbit
I often forgor how beeg Bystiel Lubel the Bubel of Dubel is
i'm not sure, but maybe his monster art is not when he is in full size ?
since he looks more dragony here.
and way less dude.
halcyon crane
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viral orbit
much more humanoid imo
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halcyon crane
Why the card art so smol
viral orbit
he also looks much more dragony when attached to alba los.
so i guess he can just shift to whatever dragon/dude ratio ?
long bison
So lore-wise, we order a Gigantic Suship in a regular-ass Suship restaurant? Or was the Shipyard all imagination?
viral orbit
or its food for giants
next thing you know, we get a Hibachi themed archtype...
that would be alot of "giving control" and returning your cards to the opponent's hand...
cedar sand
is anime lore allowed here
jade iron
What is anime lore
cedar sand
just discussions about ygo anime world lore
lean surge
Sure.
cedar sand
do you guys remember any DM and GX meta cards that are common irl but rare in the anime universe
like la jin; staple for old beatdown but we only see kaiba use him
perhaps something like monster reborn
silver harbor
Card rarity very rarely comes up in the show
Except for the rarest of the rare or extremely common trash
like blue eyes for the former or Zushin for the latter
cedar sand
i see
the way i see it is that, if all those anime characters can get so far with the decks that they run (also with heart of the cards), then the average duelist level in the anime must be very low. So most powerful cards are probably very rare
cedar sand
like blue eyes for the former or Zushin for the latter
zushin was that giant from 5ds right?
cedar sand
i'm asking because i want to write a SI fanfic; meta knowledge on the card game isn't that useful when you don't have most of the staples
like, monster reborn only gets used a handful of times in the anime
silver harbor
Well also keep in mind
We see a fraction of a percentage of the total number of duels that happen in the anime world
Aside from cards that are explicitly stated to be rare or common, using only the duels we see as reference very much skews what’s seemingly rare or not
halcyon crane
One thing that anime has never capitalize on is utilizing rarity foil as particle effect on summon animation
Like, Pokemon already show us how shiny was summoned from Poke ball, why can't we have like Ghost rare be summoned looking transparent and all ethereal
cedar sand
Aside from cards that are explicitly stated to be rare or common, using only the...
good point
any ideas then on deciding whether a card is considered rare to common in the anime universe?
young lynx
ok so
when yugi and the crew
get sent to the noah virtual wolrd
they can buy some cards for the VW currency
and i'm pretty much sure
all of them are considered super rare in the anime
like [zera the mant]
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like [zera the mant]
Level: 8
[ Fiend / Ritual ]
ATK 2800 / DEF 2300
young lynx
known to be only a couple of original copies in the DM world ( marik's crew made a lot of forfeit ones tho)
cedar sand
they can buy some cards for the VW currency
do you remember the episode numbers when they do this?
it's ok if you don't
young lynx
its actually the big 5 virtual world episode around when they meet mai
episode 41 - 43
cedar sand
thanks
uuuuh
ep 41-43; how does that translate to the jp version?
wait
this isn't the battle city one?
i found it
thanks
cedar sand
got it
young lynx
in zexal, yuuma gets in the dojo and duels against the "legendary monsters" as statues (Its just the good ol DM; Blue eyes, Neos, Stardust Gang wich are also considered super rare and legendary in the anime)
cedar sand
gx duel disks are for students only right?
outside of DA, normal duelists still use DM era duel disks, so then how can they read graveyard effects?
gx duel disk has that blue circle that displays effects in the manga
silver harbor
I mean they are probably given to students
But I doubt they are only available to students
cedar sand
I mean they are probably given to students
But I doubt they are only available ...
Do we see non DA members use it?
silver harbor
I haven’t watched GX in years
halcyon crane
And apparently duel academy disk can be used as frisbee owo
cedar sand
And apparently duel academy disk can be used as frisbee owo
i remember that panel in the manga
long bison
Do we see non DA members use it?
Yes. Some guy named T-bone used a DA disk:
foggy lotus
The submarine captain also pretty much had a DA disk but blinged up
cedar sand
i can't get over how cross duels made gagaga a freaking magical high school archetype
Devoting himself to chivalry and acts of kindness at Gagaga Academy, he is surprisingly popular with the younger students.
As a member of Gagaga Academy's student council, this clerk is very strict with the rules - especially against the rowdy students who cause trouble for the president.
cedar sand
i need to see this
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[gagaga academy emergency network]
silver harbor
Yeah some of the older lore releases were called “gagaga academy” or something like that
cedar sand
Yeah some of the older lore releases were called “gagaga academy” or something l...
do you know where ican find that
nevermind
pins
actually yes
this makes no mention of gagaga archetype
cedar sand
oh, so they just decided to make the gagaga archetype school based to sorta be like the already existing gagaga academy, but they aren't the same
golden flax
I've heard that the Duel Links lore/story for VRAINS is basically a continuation of the anime
Is that legit?
lean surge
Wym they aren't the same?
The LORE setting for Gagagas is the Gagaga academy. Which is being referenced in the Cross duel flavor text.
hollow wraith
Is that legit?
it is
cedar sand
The LORE setting for Gagagas is the Gagaga academy. Which is being referenced in...
🤦♂️
pardon my potato brain
i assumed that it was just a shared name, not a literal shared universe
because the actual archetype wasn't referenced here
hollow wraith
the whole reason this thing exists is because the japanese word for academy is "gakuen"
so it's gagaga gakuen
viral orbit
... that's I:P....
wtf they turned her to one of dem (or is she playing both sides)
a DARK Cat themed Cyberse Girl Link monster with 800 ATK... ...
golden flax
[I:P Masqurena]
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[I:P Masqurena]
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a[rappa chiyomaru]
devout hearth
she has the same knee spike things, same armor (or whatever material it is) pattern, slightly less impossible heels
primal spire
Same sword on the back too it seems
Plus both are ninja-esque
Yeah I think youre right, it is Rappa Chiyomaru
silver harbor
Also the link 1s effect is basically just an inverse of chiyos
viral orbit
so the S-Force upgraded Chiyo using I:P's tech ?
primal spire
What a random card to get concept art of
silver harbor
They put glasses on her
silver harbor
Very heterosexual of her
primal spire
They were roommates
foggy lotus
Wish I could read half of it, or has it been posted in higher res somewhere?
long bison
Wish I could read half of it, or has it been posted in higher res somewhere?
Oh wait, that's Jibrine
Nvm, I can't find a translation of it.
long bison
It's the highest res from the looks of reverse Google Image searching. 
cedar sand
Wish I could read half of it, or has it been posted in higher res somewhere?
someone should pin this
maybe
idk if it's reliable, i ain't an expert
also
There are two main ways to exterminate demons: the first one is to recite their true name and extract their souls. The second one is by destroying the possessing soul lying at the very depths of the possessed target through force. Since this second method can prove difficult if the demon is strong enough, it has become imperative to elucidate their true names.
so exosisters just have to say "Bystial Dis Pater" to beat it /j
cedar sand
thanks
lean surge
VBEX Exo always makes me angry that they revealed Malfa just days before it released.
The VBEX description teases of another Exosister but OCG already revealed her by then.
cedar sand
f
lean surge
Would've been nice to have some time speculating before we got it.
cedar sand
exo isn't translated yet right?
lean surge
They are all tled.
lean surge
Ashiyan is still alive. Looks like he broke his mask and was just offscreen all this while.
primal spire
Im shocked that was just a mask
cedar sand
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470337409729560586/1061841824207097897/14...
omg
be still my beating heart
lean surge
Aluber is treated as Albaz in field/GY, similar to md Albion. Not sure if that indicates anything.
Is Sargas dead or smthg?
This thing is called Fallen of Argyros. And going with Fallen of Albaz being an illegitimate son, we could see this like an inadvertent creation of Argyros maybe a weird combination of Captain Sargas and Bucephallon Cannon which is what Sprind was modified to and this has parts of. 
I got nothing.
Kinda feels out of nowhere.
Icejade girl's plot seems done with her freezing Long Yuan Snek. And her new power also reflect a bit of Swordsoul. Not sure what the pendant on bottom left is.
silver harbor
Probably from Theo or adin
cedar sand
They are all tled.
link?
cedar sand
Icejade girl's plot seems done with her freezing Long Yuan Snek. And her new pow...
👏 longyuan 👏 is 👏 dead 👏
cedar sand
i meant the one with malfa
cedar sand
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470337409729560586/1061841891609563236/14...
is that white relic?
lean surge
It is the one that hints at Malfa. The section about Eris have an older partner who went missing.
lean surge
Finally Quem appears as herself, maybe. Actually namedropped instead of being LORE exclusive. And has Quaereasietis around her. So, maybe Fleur is actually good and her getting her armor and being a Despia is just...I'm not sure how that/what happened with that.
Still missing a spell.
cedar sand
who's quem?
lean surge
We might get it in 30.
Quem is the first saint.
White Relic is her possessing the body of the newest saint.
We assume Cartesia is her possessing Ecclesia. New one is even named similar to Ecclesia/Cartesia.
lean surge
Anyway, we had a suspicion that this was case, but with only one card left, it's pretty confirmed it's not ending here.
lean surge
Either we get an ending in a side set, similar to how we got Branded SD midway thru, or they continue into next series.
silver harbor
“On all levels except mental, I am ecclesia” -Quem probably
lean surge
I don't think we have enough story to stretch another 12 sets. So, maybe we get more sporadic updates.
cedar sand
wait, did longyuan get another form after Swordsoul Sinister
lean surge
Currently feel like we are at SAST/DANE equivalent.
devout hearth
wait, did longyuan get another form after Swordsoul Sinister
a[swordsoul dragon of the abyss]
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a[swordsoul dragon of the abyss]
devout hearth
wow tiny art thanks bot
lean surge
We still need to finish the actual final battle and then ending stuff then epilogue stuff.
primal spire
I don't think we have enough story to stretch another 12 sets. So, maybe we get ...
I wouldnt be sure about that
lean surge
Feels like it'd take a couple more sets, but not enough for a whole series.
primal spire
They could start exploring the Hole itself
cedar sand
a[swordsoul dragon of the abyss]
thanks
cedar sand
They could start exploring the Hole itself
hole?
silver harbor
The cross shaped holes in space
primal spire
Those purple diamonds are gates to a different dimension called the "hole"
cedar sand
bro sonic bird's lore
Some years have passed since he lost communication with his father after the day of the experiment. The young boy discovers the aged schematics for an engine and the letter his father left behind in the storehouse. "I'll be waiting beyond the speed of sound." Giving wings to his feelings for his father, the challenge against the speed of sound begins now!
hollow wraith
wide plume
hollow wraith
i'd watch an anime about that
silver harbor
Bro this is just learn to fly
primal spire
Did we ever learn where the Bystial came from?
lean surge
VBEX2 ends right before Bystials.
primal spire
I see
I do wonder if this is a Knight are situation, or if were going into basically DT2 here
foggy lotus
VBEX2 ends when Fleur is taken away iirc
foggy lotus
hollow wraith
there's no way the story ends here
they wouldn't spend 3 years on this story just for it to end like this
cedar sand
it's konami, a part of me actually expects it
imagine if it did
"lmao they lose off screen"
foggy lotus
primal spire
There is no shot it ends here
cedar sand
yeah
primal spire
But the question is, do we get one or two more sets
cedar sand
I do wonder if this is a Knight are situation, or if were going into basically D...
what's knight are
primal spire
Or a full second season as it were
wide plume
This reminds me of Winda being the real bad guy and not Construct.
cedar sand
This reminds me of Winda being the real bad guy and not Construct.
wait what.
primal spire
I think it might be a full second season exploring the hole
foggy lotus
I guess we're really getting a TO BE CONTINUED 
wide plume
wait what.
During the end of Duel Terminal when Shaddolls were a thing the common theory was that Construct was the big bad leader of the Shaddolls and was trying to steal the power of God to be with her dead sister.
Or was it ascended sister?
I don't quite remember.
But Construct had
- an amazing motivation
- great villain arc back story
- proven track record of assimilating threats stronger than her
And it would have been great.
But nope she was a mindless puppet.
primal spire
I guess we're really getting a TO BE CONTINUED <:HaroldP:1039409475607601162>
Thats a roundabout way to usher in series 12
cedar sand
wasn't winda the protag
cedar sand
is a google doc summary of DT lore
because iirc winda was shaddollified right then purified
wide plume
Yeah doesn't make her a protagonist.
She was a shaddoll and key to Tierra taking over the program.
cedar sand
oh, tierra is a bad guy too
silver harbor
what's that
Yes
cedar sand
do you guys know of any monsters in a "lore" archetype that has something to do with shields/protection, like a character with protection effect/uses defensive weapons? Can by physical or magical or both
doesn't have to be the big lore archetypes with a full story; something small can just has details
like Solfachord or something.
wide plume
Artifacts
primal spire
Adin uses barriers iirc
cedar sand
Wonder what happened to him
We know he left
But nothing after
"Mo Ye" makes frantic efforts, without knowing that her own sword actually belongs to "Longyuan".
"frantic efforts" wtf does that mean
silver harbor
"frantic efforts" wtf does that mean
It means they have about half a dozen people to fight off a literal army of monsters
While also needing to deal with longyuan’s betrayal
cedar sand
But longyuan stole mo ye's (his) sword first and probably injured/killed her as seen in aegirocassis
So frantic efforts are before the betrayal
silver harbor
Yes
cedar sand
While also needing to deal with longyuan’s betrayal
"At the same time." First time I've seen this detail
young lynx
Ya'll think well get a way to special summon despia without extra deck locking ourselfs for that turn?
foggy lotus
"At the same time." First time I've seen this detail
I mistyped that one myself in my translation derp
viral orbit
So the evil guys won ?
silver harbor
It seems like Aluber won after stabbing Maximus in the back?
hollow wraith
aluber said "it's alubing time!" and then alubed all over maximus
viral orbit
this is just fucking sad...
she became an empress of nothing. Everyone she knew ones love is dead.
silver harbor
All she has is the body of her peoples killer as a trophy
There’s like an 80% chance she talks to it regularly
primal spire
Its unclear
Because we don't know what happens to Albion
Or Ecclesia for that matter
This wave is just confusing
viral orbit
they just got vored by Aluber & Quem i guess
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
how much time has passed...
foggy lotus
I'm actually dying to know
You can guarantee it's the first thing I'll be translating when VBEX3 gets scanned
viral orbit
I legit thought it was a stardust head too when I first saw it
looks like Lubellion's head
pseudo urchin
wait, did longyuan get another form after Swordsoul Sinister
he got the main deck monster, after he died as sinister he was fused with the serpent of golganda by the despia for the main deck monster
viral orbit
that's a Red Pendulum Crystal ? no ?
cedar sand
I mistyped that one myself in my translation derp <a:topKek:538017398419226634>
Wait, you translated this? Sorry about the frantic effort thing, but can you elaborate on what that could've meant?
foggy lotus
Yeah I dumped all the translation in here like last.. Marchish I wanna say
It just means after Maximus turned everyone into Despians he sent them towards the Sacred Summit at the same time as Longyuan revealed his treachery and attacked Enion Cradle
zealous berry
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/470337409729560586/1061841845681917972/...
This card confuses me the most. The other cards could be placed in the timeline up till now. But this card is like dingirsu after battle and tells it like they defeated lubellion.
cedar sand
Lemme check the raw
Oh, so like the swordsoul is corrupting/killing her
Or like, she literally wields dark power but just didn't know where it came from
foggy lotus
Oh no just that she's fighting hard but she doesn't know her sword was Longyuan's to begin with yeah
zealous berry
Like i posted in general:
The albaz lore md reveals are such a brain fuckup whats going on. Its like konami said lets print some albaz lore legacy support before the story ends. Like qliphort genius or shaddoll construct.
long bison
Anyone feel the Albaz lore is starting to drag on a bit. They put Decisive Battle at Golgonda and it ends up not being a decisive battle.
Both sides are still here and we're left blue balled till the next set.
silver harbor
It is yes
It’s honestly seemingly over aside from seeing the ultimate fate of Albaz and ecclesia
And the tribrigade’s fates too I guess
And the fates of literally every swordsoul except longyuan
silver harbor
I kinda just hope that this is just the “bad” ending and next set has the “good” ending
lean surge
Aluber and Quem peace out and come back a couple years later to enact their new plan or smthg.
silver harbor
And they never clarify which is actually canon just to make us suffer
lean surge
Then we get a whole next gen of archetypes and series from the ruins of the old ones.
cedar sand
Anyone feel the Albaz lore is starting to drag on a bit. They put Decisive Battl...
Same
cedar sand
I kinda just hope that this is just the “bad” ending and next set has the “good”...
I hope so too
long bison
Like...what the hell happened to Ecclesia? There's no artwork of Albaz and Ecclesia together either.
It's Yuya chasing Yuzu all over again.
halcyon crane
Konami tried to reboot the Arc-V formula challenge (Impossible)
night lion
Tbh I think we are actually near the end. If you place fallen of Agyros before Decisive battle (we see Kitt flying off in the background) and correctly see that Aluber is enacting his own plans with regards to Dis Pater, we're currently just in the same battle we haven't seen a conclusion to. The only sticking point is the new Cartesia, of which I have no idea what or where she's from lmao.
Anyways have my take on the lore so far, I've gotta get back to work uwu
https://twitter.com/MieruHochun/status/1612465845023678465?s=20&t=keb24A2G7krsiBVgfQ7Qhg
glacial dune
Konami tried to reboot the Arc-V formula challenge (Impossible)
Funny you mention that; Yugipedia has been putting up a lot of parallels between Arc-V and the Visas storyline.
halcyon crane
Yeah maybe the better wording would be "Konami tried not to redo the Arc-V formula challenge" Because ever since Aluber reveal the trajectory of the lore has been "Me vs evil me from another dimension"
Previously it was just evil/corrupted version of your favorite monsters, now they have to make sure the two side clashes
lean surge
Dis Pater is White Zoa and not Aluber.
Aluber and co seem to be divorced from the entire final battle with Dis Pater.
primal spire
Anyways have my take on the lore so far, I've gotta get back to work uwu
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I will point out again that the hand in the tri spell is Dis Pater, not white zoa. Dis Pater isnt behind fleur in that art, it seems to simply be flying towards fleur
lean surge
I could see the 3 of them go to hiding for a while before returning in second half or smthg.
viral orbit
i just don't see these be anything but post final battle.
how ? who the fuck knows.
The only one that does make sense is the icejade one. fitting with what happened last set.
Fallen of Argyros is the big wtf.
like why is he named fallen..
why does he have lubellion armor...
its also Sprind...
why is it randomly anti-spright...
silver harbor
I just noticed her right eye is also red
viral orbit
young lynx
weird theory, albaz /aluber could be the children of Aegerine whom aegire sent from the future to the present to avenge their people's death
viral orbit
does this mean Dis Pater is runing on Swordsoul energy
viral orbit
weird theory, albaz /aluber could be the children of Aegerine whom aegire sent f...
that's the most reach ever.
she's not even the same type of lifefrom
silver harbor
Dispater is probably the ultimate result of the 666 saints ritual
young lynx
i dont feel like a ritual would produce a synchro monster though. maybe white zoa got fused with something?
ok, what if quem is also an icejade
young lynx
eclessia wasnt a tuner till she went to cleanse her brand in the swordsoul summit wich runs on jaded powers
or
remains of icejade powers (in ecclesia and Fleur) are now affecting despia and they are starting to become tuners
fallen of argyros kinda reminds me of this guy
stone prism
So wait is it confirmed Mo Ye is dead then
cedar sand
like 99% likely
or at least i think so
- how would longyuan have taken his sword back nonlethally? Not in character and probably not an option at the time at all
- Icejade Creation Aegirocassis uses her body, so either actually dead or severely wounded and what is left became Icejade Creation Aegirocassis
stone prism
1. how would longyuan have taken his sword back nonlethally? Not in character an...
I see, also do we know what side Fleur is on? Cause even though her listed her as a Despian, it looked like she was attacking Dis Pater.
cedar sand
i honestly have no idea
sorry, i ain't a lore master/card art analysist like some other guys
stone prism
No prob thanks though
cedar sand
the way i see it?
she's good
like, longyuan was evil, but he was still a swordsoul
so i think that fleur pulled a Kamen Rider; used the power of evil to self revive and fight dis pater
stone prism
I feel the same way
cedar sand
"This is my power."
"Your power? ...my power now."
pseudo urchin
this is my enterpretation of the visas lore so far.
the visas was helping the kashtira the entire time, i believe that visas is a scout for the kashatri, visas first goes to the scarclaws and schlashes reichhart before convincing the rest of the scarclaws to join him and the kashtira, then he travals to the tearlaments world and seeing that the nation currently has a dictator and visas see's that most of the tearlaments are planning a rebelion, so visas takes advantage of the situation by helping the rebels and making them more likely to join him and the kashtira and now also the scarclaws. after visas and the rebellion murder rhinoheart the former leader of the tearlaments visas gives rhinohearts corpes to the kashatri. and then from the artwork in a mandome card we can see that the kashtira, scarclaw and tearlaments all fly down to confront riumheart.
lean surge
Lmao
night lion
Random aside while I'm on break, Aluber is a tuner, the new aluber Trap Synchro summons. At some point you have to acknowledge what is Aluber Synchroing into. The only obvious choice is Bystial Dis Pater, which is literally a level 10 synchro that takes a Dragon Non tuner (Aluber's Bystials are the only targets at the current point of the story). All the remaining Bystials are level 6. 4 + 6 = 10
The cards clearly lay out where Dis Pater came from imo, and we keep getting tripped up on a visual similarity. Dis Pater and White Zoa are clearly separate beings, and Dis Pater is the result of Aluber's doing, separate from White Zoa.
Anyways, back to work for me -w-
primal spire
Does Mo Ye turn into Chixiao?
Shes a level 4 non-tuner, summons a level 4 tuner token that only lets you synchro, and theres only one level 8 synchro in the archetype
silver harbor
lean surge
At some point, archetypes have to be functional.
Not every effect can/will be connect to LORE.
jade iron
Yang Zing Chaofeng supposedly predated the archetype getting access to star power
(Via Chiwen & Jiatou)
halcyon crane
Wyrm prolly hold the record of having the best ratio of good synchro
The only mid one I can think of is Metaphys Horus, and Tatsunoko.
The latter is extender tho
All the other ones are used in Swordsoul, maybe if Denglong not banned, they could put it as well
long bison
Does Mo Ye turn into Chixiao?
No, she appears alongside Chixiao in Swordsoul Emergence
primal spire
Thats the point
primal spire
or the Infernoid synchro
silver harbor
Or the motherfucker who decided that normal apelio can’t buff up ulti apelio
jade iron
rip Infernoid Eve, you were never meant to be
long bison
I do await the day Galaxy decks can finally make use of Galaxy Serpent lol.
primal spire
That will never happen
long bison
Wait a sec...even Crusadia has a tuner with no synchros like Arboria..unless Ib is the synchro we're to make
viral orbit
rip Infernoid Eve, you were never meant to be
wait wut ?
why would it be Infernoid Eve ?
if anything, it would be a level 11 Synchro Tierra
jade iron
why would it be Infernoid Eve ?
Try and guess
The name "Eve" is pretty heavy in terms of meaning
primal spire
Actually Im not sure why it'd be Eve either
I dont believe Eve to be a major figure in Gnosticism
Or Hermetic Kabbalah
jade iron
This was pre-Ib tho
foggy lotus
gg the end
Looks like everyone got a happy-ish ending?
Still so many questions
halcyon crane
This is like if they show up final boss and then suddenly epilogue?
foggy lotus
Yeah I need to know what happened in the final fight
Unless Fleur just
Showed up and fucking mconeshot the bbeg
Again
Like in
cedar sand
Fleur broken
Wait
Who has the biggest atk out of any abyss monster?
Just wondering
Definitely one of the dragons
fading yarrowBOT
[white zoa of dogmatika]
Level: 12
[ Spellcaster / Ritual / Effect ]
ATK 4000 / DEF 4000
cedar sand
Thanks
viral orbit
someone tell me wtf is going on
why albaz looks much older
and why everyone is there... even maximus ?
The worse lore ever.
foggy lotus
It's hard to tell who most of them are especially those two on the left
I can make out two springand
And who are maybe Adin and Theo
In those two
And Shuraig/Ferrijit in the bottom left corner of the art
viral orbit
but who the fuck in the maximus robe
viral orbit
how tf dis they save from... from the cluster fuck mutation
foggy lotus
These two
For all intents and purposes it looks like Fleur shows up and one-shot the final boss with trib/albaz's help
foggy lotus
WHO KNOWS
viral orbit
@_@
hollow wraith
it's avram, after being isekaied following his death 
viral orbit
And we thought the guardragon arc was bs
konami: hold ma dragons
why i feel like the lore might continue next set.
where albaz and ecclesia go explore new places.
also does this mean that only icejade got the bad ending wtf...
well i guess swordsoul too...
lean surge
I see this as an interlude before they start Albaz LORE 2 after a couple of yours.
Then we get new archetypes mirroring/based on the old decks.
lean surge
A reformed church archetype, Trib gaining more tribes and allies under them, Springans may get some Therions/Sprights together to form smthg new, Icejade girl becoming the field might mean she creates new life based on Icejade and Swordsoul etc etc.
Then Aluber and co show up midway thru to fuck shit up again.
viral orbit
its weird.
like not even the bad guys got a shitty ending... other than u know... wyrm dude.
foggy lotus
Icejade is.. fine™️ as far as we can tell
Aegir froze the shit out of Longyuan and took her place as the new Enion Cradle power source
So Swordsoul will also inevitably make a comeback
viral orbit
yeh but everyone is dead.
foggy lotus
Since their powers step from the cradle
Yeah there'll be more
Trust
I think only "most" of them are dead
viral orbit
You can even see the Corpses in the art of the new level 7.
foggy lotus
Like the kirin is still alive I'm pretty sure
Only their.. leader I think and Mo Ye? is confirmed dead
Ah yeah
foggy lotus
Yeah she's the new empress
lean surge
Mo Ye has been resurrected as her Creation but we don't know if it's truly Mo Ye or just her body and if it's autonomous or under Aegerine's control.
foggy lotus
Since the new card she's treated as "Enion Cradle"
lean surge
I think that's more than being just the new Empress.
Feel like her becoming the field, implies she herself becomes the Swordsoul mountain for whatever next generation shows up/she creates.
viral orbit
still icejade lore is the most fucked up when you think about it.
a 5 y/o child that had to age it self up bc their mother was burnt alive in front of their eyes... after that they had to stop a giant wurm from destroying enion completely. Which would result to the genocide of all icejade...
lean surge
So, it's a bittersweet kind of thing. But still mostly sad.
foggy lotus
That swordsoul will probably be fine since Aegir's the new Enion Cradle and thus the new swordsoul power source
Yeah I think out of all the good guys Icejades and Swordsoul probably came out of it the worst off
viral orbit
no its juat sad. you can't tell me Agir is not "Crazy" at this point.
foggy lotus
She seems fine
lean surge
If we get Albaz LORE 2, it will prob be a new archetype based on Icejade and Swordsoul and not either or specifically.
viral orbit
if anything, the next icejade them might be evil.
e.g. what gishki is to ice barrier
lean surge
We know the Icejades die and return back to the mountain, so she might not be alive next time we come back to see this.
viral orbit
She seems fine
look again. She does not have the expression of "fine".
foggy lotus
look again. She does not have the expression of "fine".
I dunno she looks relatively at peace to me
lean surge
I think she feels more empty than fine/at peace.
foggy lotus
lean surge
Getting revenge on Long Yuan isn't gonna bring back her mother and sister or any of the Swordsoul protectors.
viral orbit
it looks more "there is nothing left"
foggy lotus
Like she seems miffed maybe but Longyuan's gone
Yeah
Who knows
It's just my interpretation
Of her blank ass expression
viral orbit
you can see dead icejade in the art. this cannot be peace.
lean surge
It's finally over.
Is the impression I get from it. And being surrounded by dead siblings doesn't help either.
foggy lotus
Yeah
She's probably not happy about it
But the battle is over
And all she can do is get on with her role
halcyon crane
Kitt should've adopted her
viral orbit
then again her looking at her hands that way could be " what have I become?"
halcyon crane
Or Albaz & Ecclesia, ofor that matter
viral orbit
too late she aged herself up
Imagine having to grow up in one day
😭
but also fight a giant wurm
bigger
Quem next to Springans ?
looks too much like Ecclesia
wait that's a new Splind...
The new one is much shorter and much friendly looking and also mostly red and has claws ?
cedar sand
We're definitely getting a part 2
Wait, so how many swordsouls are alive now?
Bc I forgot what happened to Swordsoul Auspice Chunjun
And taia
And chixiao; I only remember reading that chengying and mo ye died
silver harbor
I can’t believe they dropped the ball for the writing on this at the literal last second
viral orbit
unless we are getting another Albaz SD i wonder.
cedar sand
I can’t believe they dropped the ball for the writing on this at the literal las...
Yeah, this feels so weird
cedar sand
We don’t know
Lmao if they actually are alive then they just peaced out during the final battle
silver harbor
Doubt we’ll get another SD
cedar sand
What's SD?
silver harbor
Structure deck
jade iron
The worse lore ever.
First time?
viral orbit
First time?
no no no "worst lover ever" when its not even the first time. just think about it. this makes DT seem like a masterpiece. and unlike DT this had nothing to do with head Cannon or speculations. it just ends abruptly.
cedar sand
Me about to write a fanfic to fix this ending
jade iron
no no no "worst lover ever" when its not even the first time. just think about i...
Dracolore doesn't even have an ending
And I'm no Dracolore enjoyer
silver harbor
Oh god that’s right
They literally just show them going to fight VFD and it stops there
jade iron
The protags suit up, go to face the big bad
lean surge
I mean, the story is fine.
jade iron
And then it cuts to black
lean surge
They face the big bad and win.
jade iron
Who do
lean surge
Aluber and co scheming could be expanded when we get to Albaz LORE 2.
Talking about Albaz LORE.
lean surge
Like, I feel you guys are giving DT endings a huge pass when they are world freezes over, we killed God, we killed God again, all of which are super abrupt.
lean surge
Sophia is the one we see dying, I think.
Only in the OCG art when they break the crystal on her head.
Tierra is just like peace, we're outta here.
jade iron
Dt1 has also had extra detail added retroactively
lean surge
1000 days later, they aren't there anymore.
cedar sand
And I'm no Dracolore enjoyer
First time I heard about this
jade iron
I get that's like 3 years
lean surge
Draco LORE ends ona cliffhanger.
jade iron
But for godlike beings that's gotta be a quick skirmish
lean surge
With Master Peace and Metaltron heading towards VFD.
jade iron
All I want, and nothing more, is to see Lara and Gaiapelio return
lean surge
They've retroactively added Metalfoes and presumably Cryston and Zoo weakening VFD, tho the latter two we haven't seen yet.
jade iron
Fuck Winda
lean surge
And small True Draco become Pendulums based on Master Pend's previous journey.
jade iron
Lara got killed by Tierra so hard she got retconned from existence
cedar sand
I'm so out of the loop about these cards you're talking about haha
lean surge
Speaking of no mention, lots of Swordsoul get the same treatment.
cedar sand
So this is how card lore discussions look from the outside
cedar sand
Speaking of no mention, lots of Swordsoul get the same treatment.
Yeah, all of them are dead or MIA
jade iron
Lara the Ritual Beast Gamer I would say shows up in the majority of Rit Beast cards
She died in a TCG exclusive
cedar sand
Rip
halcyon crane
The only big bad defeated on screen I can remember is when they cracked Sophia's jewel
jade iron
Where the fusion of Gaiastrio and Ulti-Apelio faces off against Tierra to protect the two Zefra babbies Wendi and Pelican
She gets no mention in the lore book, and never shows up again
Wendi and Pilica show up
Lara is just gone
halcyon crane
Tierra last seen with Zefraath showdown
silver harbor
We don’t even see if mo ye survived the battle in the form of aegirocrassis
It’s fully possible she died (again) fighting golgonda longyuan
jade iron
Idk how to work the bot, but the cardname depicting her death is Ultimate Providence
halcyon crane
Man become the reason to end 2 tribes just because he want Chixiao chair
silver harbor
Yup
It’s fine, what’s his face got de aged by zefra power
They can have another kid of the nekroz
lean surge
a[ultimate providence]
fading yarrowBOT
a[ultimate providence]
jade iron
Rip to a real one Ulti-Gaiapelio
lean surge
Didn't Shurit get a new form and faced off v Tierra, or am I misremembering?
halcyon crane
Maybe Tierra has a power to erase existence, and everone forgor the erased subject just like that
jade iron
He got a new form
silver harbor
He ate shit to anoy
lean surge
I was misremembering. The new card with Tierra on it had his mother on it as a Nekroz Rep, not him.
hollow wraith
for like 10 years we didn't even know who defeated trishula
jade iron
Oh, the one where she's channeling Gungnir despite canonically having lost the Ice Dragon powers
halcyon crane
Ariel on her way to make Nekroz of Tierra to match Emilia's Sophia
jade iron
a[Void Apocalypse]
fading yarrowBOT
a[Void Apocalypse]
halcyon crane
Wait, Emilia supposed to be depowered here?
silver harbor
All her god power probably went into zefraath
jade iron
According to the Master Guide, Devyaty steals the power of the 3 Ice Barrier Dragons from Shurit
halcyon crane
Damn retcon
jade iron
Which, if I remember correctly, then goes into Anoyatyllis
silver harbor
Wow after DT1 the ice barrier dragons really become the town bicycles hun
fading yarrowBOT
a[spell wall]
jade iron
Noellia's face turn vs Evigishki
halcyon crane
jade iron
Noelia’s last act of giving a shit about her kids
This is after she got cured
halcyon crane
And not to mention, revived Hercules by Gishki magic
silver harbor
Yeah she was kinda crazy for a bit
jade iron
She then gives the Aquamirror to the worst character
Kerykeion
Wait
Kerykeion already had the ice barrier dragon powers
Unless this is a body vs soul thing
halcyon crane
KERYKEION! HE'S NO LONGER YOUR FRIEND!! KERYKERION!!!
hollow shell
KERYKERION! (spoken like kakyoin)
halcyon crane
Now I imagine Cairngorgon donuted him with that Zirconia hand
hollow wraith
stone prism
Wait now I'm confused.
I'm glad that Albaz and Ecclesia got there happy ending, they deserve it but what happened to Fleur? My theory is it seemed like she got her body and her soul back, then converted her power from Despian to Swordsoul to kill Dis.
And speaking of Swordsoul if this is really the end, then it's really the worst ending for my favorite archetype, and Icejade. Sure things can be rebuild back slowly but this is basically a wipeout for the two save the last Icejade. I hope somehow we can get more Swordsoul cards, maybe a new Fleur card if we're lucky.
silver harbor
Aegirine can probably eventually make new Icejades
But as far as we can see all of the swordsouls are dead
silver harbor
I think it’s not unreasonable that Fleur might be dead after her final attack
muted anchor
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_OCG_INFO/status/1613143818131447818/photo/1
oh ecclesia’s stigmata is gone
I guess it’s a time skip???????
silver harbor
Seems likely
muted anchor
either we’re getting more lore that explains what happened in the timeskip
or albaz and aluber somehow made up
silver harbor
I imagine any legacy support going forward will be during the time skip
A shame it seems Sargas is dead
lean surge
This just looks like a couple days, maybe months later, tbh.
Not that big of a timeskip, yet.
halcyon crane
Also whatever happened with Spright now?
lean surge
Or maybe Ecclesia still has it and Albaz needs her beside him to transform.
That'd be cute.
halcyon crane
The reverse dynamic owo
lean surge
Also whatever happened with Spright now?
Whatever is going on with Fallen of Argyros, prob.
silver harbor
His crew remembers him of course!
stone prism
But as far as we can see all of the swordsouls are dead
That's a bummer especially since I like their character design.
stone prism
I think it’s not unreasonable that Fleur might be dead after her final attack
Here's hoping she alive since she's probably the only left with any Swordsoul Power.
silver harbor
I imagine even if she is alive she’s probably used up all of her power
stone prism
Plus Fleur deserves better
silver harbor
Because somebody has to actually fight the raid boss
silver harbor
again
stone prism
Fleur putting in overtime and carrying everyone on her back. Even when she died, she came back to carry XD
primal spire
We don't ever see its attack on any card though
This is just
Such a weird way to end this chapter
lean surge
It's on the bottom left of the Trib card.
Same golden flame as the Branded card it is on.
primal spire
I guess?
Doesnt really look like its gonna hit dis pater though
Idk, this ending kinda falls flat tbh
young lynx
what is this???
halcyon crane
Da soot
devout hearth
somebody pointed out in another server that Argyros could be the capricorn representative
- i'm not sure that the symbols entirely match up, maybe if it's fairly stylized?
- the horns could be goat-ish i guess but that also feels like a reach
the symbolism seems like it could be there though - sacrificing goats was supposed to help ward off judgment; by beating up argyro, they were (presumably) all able to survive the dispater fight
- the link between goats and satan matches with the lube theme
and it would round out the 13
devout hearth
what is this???
https://prnt.sc/yrq2i8_AgYDl
a springan
presumably the one that was in ecc's hammer
halcyon crane
But Springans are soot-based lifeform owo
maiden thicket
My reaction to the end of the albaz lore act 1. https://youtu.be/NsEIu6-lciA
Like we were in the middle of a battle and now it's over?
silver harbor
The final battle against dis pater was 2, maybe 3 cards
And then they just skip straight to epilogue
silver harbor
Fleur carried once again
young lynx
it seems that albaz became transcendent albion and beat aluber
silver harbor
Although I imagine Fleur basically killed herself with her final attack
maiden thicket
I thought Fleur was revived evil cause despia and stuff
silver harbor
We don’t know if she actually died or whatever at this point
But she very clearly played a role in dis pagers defeat
fading yarrowBOT
young lynx
this one
silver harbor
Yeah that’s just him attaining the form
