Merasmus still spawn every five minutes I take it?
#Team Fortress 2
sudden wigeon
glass gale
i am now the owner of a unique unusual taunt
remember yall
gambling is good
unboxed this factory new strange war paint which i decided to keep
and an unusualifier
which gave me from what i have searched
a completely one of a kind effect on this taunt
sudden wigeon
Woah that's cool actually
muted canopy
yeah
glass gale
festivized my scattergun
honestly i kinda hate it but on the otherhand it looks cool in a way
this is now my permanent pistol and i went pretty full scunt on color and parts
kinda
i wanted to go with doms but i thought against it cus my scattergun already has doms
so its redundant
this is now my permanent strange shotgun and on the flipside i found it hard on what parts to go for
cus i use it on all classes that use the shotgun anyways
also i now understand why my sister went with kendrick songs + lyrics for sniper rifles lmfao these lyrics definitely sound like bm and can tilt ppl. i just reset them for strange part counting
muted canopy
sudden wigeon
light tide
muted canopy
glass gale
somethings off thats all
muted canopy
sudden wigeon
They just made her so cute
muted canopy
Scout doesn’t deserve her :(
glass gale
scout cant have her
glass gale
fierce heath
Now that's quality!
muted canopy
THEY DON’T BOUNCE
muted canopy
glass gale
sudden wigeon
LMAO
muted canopy
the genius who built the decoy base,,,
muted canopy
muted canopy
light tide
Sudden influx of bots again, no?
sudden wigeon
Damn
light tide
Well, its at least some maps
But it seems the TF2 devs are happy to just use fan-made stuff for updates instead of making their own
muted canopy
Man, fuck it, I'll take community-created maps and weapons over nothing at all
It keeps this game rumbling on a little longer
light tide
Not sure it includes weapons
muted canopy
They mentioned items, so I'm practicing wishful thinking
glass gale
hey its something at least
light tide
Were never getting the heavy update are we
light tide
Fair
muted canopy
https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=189493
@edgy pivot kid…
edgy pivot
<@265960037552357376> kid…
i don't use this forum man
muted canopy
Then perish
edgy pivot
sudden wigeon
https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=189493
Oh my god
muted canopy
tf2 sex update real
sudden wigeon
???????
muted canopy
who let this man cook
glass gale
its insane how good this is
light tide
SFM artists are wizards
muted canopy
unironically one of the best horror films I’ve seen
atmospheric horror is so much better than cheap jump scares
(not that jump scares can’t also be good)
edgy pivot
Yeah the feeling of paranoia was wild
muted canopy
update-sized update is here boys and girls
edgy pivot
muted canopy
edgy pivot
good video
earnest nebula
Think I got Direct Hit as my first weapon
earnest nebula
Okay so, is it recommended that I keep practicing in casual till I finally do more than 3 kills before dying, or I just keep trying to get weapons to suits me
earnest nebula
Also I can kinda rocket jumps already, tho I doubt what I have is THE rocket jump
Pretty small distance
light tide
Yeah there are very few non stock weapons worth using
Off the top of my head, engie, Pyro and Medic are the three that use unlocks the best
Debatably Heavy
earnest nebula
The ones I got so far are Direct Hit, Huntsman, Winger, cozy camper I think? And one of Spy’s knife
muted canopy
Yeah there are very few non stock weapons worth using
I wouldn’t say that
Just that most good unlocks are sidegrades rather than upgrades
earnest nebula
Really want eyelander, but I think I won’t be getting it anytime soon
light tide
Admittedly this is from an optimal standpoint but fair
If you find a side grade more fun, go for it tho
I still enjoy memeing with the BFB
earnest nebula
Think I can switch between Stock sniper and Huntsman, between scope and spam arrow
light tide
Huntsman is not as good, but can be funnier
earnest nebula
Yeah Stock with 450 looks really good, but need aim lol
muted canopy
Huntsman is fun for playing a more aggressive close to the frontlines sniper
I like to roll around with huntsman + jarate + bushwacka
earnest nebula
What’s the requirement to get sandwich btw
light tide
Is it an achievement unlock?
earnest nebula
That’s what I wanna ask 
muted canopy
Honestly depending on how much you wanna spend on the game, you could buy every weapon in the game on marketplace.tf for like, a couple bucks
earnest nebula
Notatthatlevelyetlol
earnest nebula
We got achievement-specific servers? Huh
earnest nebula
Ye I found these ones name ‘free gift’ blah blah blah, lost interest before entering the map
muted canopy
Personally I don’t like using achievement servers, I would rather get achievements naturally
earnest nebula
Btw what’s the exact, like, the condition for game to give items, is it similar to like SSBU
earnest nebula
Okay I checked, Sandvich looks easier than Eyelander, think I’m trying that
‘Fire 200,000 dollar worth of minigun rounds in a single life’, so… keep firing Sasha and collecting ammos for 12 sec?
muted canopy
alternatively you could be credit to team by joining a Payload map and just gluing yourself to the cart
light tide
If Zane is new that risk him getting backstabbed or sniped
I made my suggestion since it needs no gamesense
earnest nebula
Jesus I am getting decent amount of Pyros achievements
muted canopy
I made my suggestion since it needs no gamesense
This is true but it’s also important to develop habits of being credit to team
earnest nebula
I now understand the feeling of ‘Spy bully engi’ 
light tide
Thats something youll get better at dealing with as you play the game
There will be a time where its no longer the spies name you curse
But the demos
Or the medics
earnest nebula
Oh yeah demo too, but this damn Spy kept bully my machines
muted canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O-bD6eOvFs as true today as the day it was made
light tide
Is that Jerma from the world-famous Jerma vs Star_ series?
earnest nebula
God, I’m still new and I can already feel the pain from just first min of this 
earnest nebula
If it’s not much to ask, are there like, general top tier weapon for each class to use, like, most people find them good
light tide
Stock
With very few exceptions the top tier weapons are stock
What classes do you like to play?
earnest nebula
Definitely not spy yet 
Backstab hard
Better performance I had with think are Heavy and Soldier
I know I heard Heavy ain’t really good in comp mode, might not wanna main the big man yet in the long run
light tide
Heavy is niche
Depends on the gamemode and map
Heavy you wand sandwich and one of theb oxing glove unlocks
I dont know if its still the G.R.U. or the Iron Fists
*Fists of steel
Regular minigun is good
earnest nebula
Can’t really hit anything with scout but his speed helped a lot, I wanna main Demo but I still need practice, Sniper-Medic-Engi I need practice, Pyro I’m starting to understand after king of hill, spy… practice…
light tide
For Soldier, stock rocket launcher, its the best, and then secondary you can pick basically anything besides the BASE jumper and the bison
Battalions backup I believe is often preferred
Or Gunboats for more rocket jumps
Melee, escape plan or Market Garden
earnest nebula
Definitely need Gunboats 
light tide
But theyre not super relevant
glass gale
If it’s not much to ask, are there like, general top tier weapon for each class ...
scout:
primary is technically soda popper but stock is not far behind
secondary is pretty boy's pocket pistol then stock then winger
melee is atomizer then boston basher with 0 reason to use any other melee weapon on scout
soldier:
primary is stock/original
secondary is gunboats then shotgun with battalion's backup and concheror having a lot of niche uses. finally last viable soldier secondary is the buff banner but its niche
melee: market gardner then escape plan and disciplinary action
pyro:
by raw damage numbers the its dragons fury then degreaser for combo pyro and stock for a general use when u need airblast most of the time
secondary is shotgun or panic attack and then all 3 flare guns. scorch shot then flare gun then detonator in that order.
melee: powerjack then backscratcher
demoman:
stock or iron bomber
stock or quickie bomb launcher
stock
heavy:
stock or tomislav
shotgun or panic attack or sandvich or second banana
gloves of running urgently or fist of steel
engineer:
too many options depending on playstyle and needs per map/team
only ones u shouldnt run is pomson every other engie weapon has a niche
medic:
crusaders crossbow
any medigun
ubersaw and then amputator
sniper:
stock or machina. bazaar's bargain can be the best if ur good.
stock then cozy camper then razorback
stock
spy:
depends on playstyle
all weapons are viable on him except red tape recorder
earnest nebula
Ooh, I found the infamous dead ringer
muted canopy
earnest nebula
MAN!(heh) ENGI IS SO FUN in Mann vs Machine!
Just saying, yes sentry bot is annoying, but honestly I just let my sentries die anyway
muted canopy
Just saying, yes sentry bot is annoying, but honestly I just let my sentries die...
If you have the Rescue Ranger you can let the sentry buster commit to the explosion and then Rescue Ranger your sentry away from a safe distance
earnest nebula
Wait what does it do exactly??? I can pick up my sentry with it?
Ain’t that a shotgun
muted canopy
Yeah if you right click on your sentry with the Rescue Ranger out it’ll teleport it to you (boxed ofc so you still have to let it rebuild itself)
glass gale
it costs metal but it repairs at a range and then can pick it up to save it
muted canopy
but it’s far easier to do that than to start building again from zero
glass gale
uhh do u have an f2p account?
if so and u have a spare like. $2 or so buy a key from the mann co store in-game
earnest nebula
uhh do u have an f2p account?
Sadly 
glass gale
it would automatically make ur account premium ans u can trade for every weapon with that key
muted canopy
if so and u have a spare like. $2 or so buy a key from the mann co store in-game
yeah this automatically gives you like 10 extra backpack slots
glass gale
that too
earnest nebula
Wait item backpack have limited space???
glass gale
but the key once tradable can get u every weapon in the game and then some
earnest nebula
Think my favorite playstyle is man vs machine, cause I can’t feel any human-malice there lmfao
Just allies
sudden wigeon
I can guarantee some people get real salty in MvM
Also I would really suggest upgrading to premium. In official Valve servers, they have you unable to use voice chat or text chat features
Including calling for help or medic or calling out a spy
earnest nebula
Ah so that’s how you get that work, still deciding if I want anything from 3DS eshop before it finally close this next few days so yeah, I probably will do that, just not now
And by anything, I mean it’s most likely me preserving gen 1-2 games for myself
muted canopy
I have been playing this game for almost ten fucking years holy shit
And you can still easily find a full server today
earnest nebula
Did my first Kick dance 
muted canopy
if you decide to purchase any taunts, that’s the one you should get
that or high-five
earnest nebula
Taunts can’t be get similar to items?
muted canopy
I don’t believe so
earnest nebula
Damn
earnest nebula
Yikes, LazyPurple still not done with that Medic video
earnest nebula
Yay! I got one of the weapon i've been look forward to get
muted canopy
Powerjack based
@austere jungle knows you can’t hold back when you got da whip, especially not on Pyro
austere jungle
<@213396782045069313> knows you can’t hold back when you got da whip, especially...
I tried to warn you through VOICE COMMUNICATION, but you didn't hear me
earnest nebula
Well then, got my first vote kick, the dude even said ‘ops wrong zane’ THE OTHER GUY NAME IS ZAYNE, THATS ONE LETTER WRONG DAMN IT
earnest nebula
This is obviously better than medi gun isnt it
austere jungle
This is obviously better than medi gun isnt it
It's as good
Normal Medigun is very strong
earnest nebula
Really, alright
austere jungle
You can still die while giving 100% crit
So it's not good for pushing into fortified locations
Normal Uber allows you to destroy sentry nests
austere jungle
Wait these two have different Uber?
ye
Medigun gives 100% immunity
Kritzkrieg gives 100% crit chance
The 25% extra is to offset the Kritz being a slightly weaker Uber
Kritz also has another benefit, but spoilers
earnest nebula
Hmm, all these medic talk reminded me I should practice more with medic spy and sniper 
austere jungle
Though that being said I've not played for like 6 years
so there are some minor things that might've changed
earnest nebula
Doesn’t change the fact it’s helpful for noobie like me
austere jungle
earnest nebula
Okay, I finally found the way to check achievements while in matches, thank god
muted canopy
Kritz also has another benefit, but spoilers
HA HA HA! OKTOBERFEST!
austere jungle
HA HA HA! OKTOBERFEST!
Jerma is Mad Part 2 is 10 years old this year
earnest nebula
Umm… I just saw some unholy things, from somebody’s sign/poster weapon just now
Like, I’m very used to it, but ya know… not the right mood…
@austere jungle sorry pinging you, I need quick answer, was it the shields that allows demo run fast or was that the swords
austere jungle
<@213396782045069313> sorry pinging you, I need quick answer, was it the shields...
Shields are the ones that have the charge
Swords are just extra length melee weapons
austere jungle
From what I remember the Splendid Screen is the worst one
Tide Turner good for offensive swording, whereas the other one is better defensively
earnest nebula
Finally got ‘The High Road’ achievement, with a bots help, what is my life…
Anyway, SHIELD
muted canopy
Umm… I just saw some unholy things, from somebody’s sign/poster weapon just now
yeah there’s some Stuff out there
shoutout to the olden days of furry porn sprays
earnest nebula
Honestly, compare to what I saw, that’s actually cuter, depends
Funny thing is, somebody in the server actually questioned what’s ‘the term name for that specific thing’ is before I even saw the spray
Really should’ve use Powerjack and bonk them now that I think about it
Or Scout
sudden wigeon
This is obviously better than medi gun isnt it
The best medi-gun is Stock by far
sudden wigeon
With the buff to every medi-gun to help follow Scout, I find QF useless
muted canopy
Quick Fix is absolutely the best to keep multiple team members alive
sudden wigeon
Counterpoint: how many are worth living
muted canopy
in a fluid gamemode like 5cp where you won’t have to push into prepared defenses much, QF clears as the team medigun
muted canopy
Counterpoint: how many are worth living
the more living teammates = the more meatshields I have
sudden wigeon
If your pocket(s) are good, you won't need em
It is a huge skill of Medic to understand who is your priority healing target(s) and who are stragglers who are lucky to get a crossbow bolt
Afterwards, it also is important to know how to juke and not die
austere jungle
Does Quick Fix uber still work on objectives
muted canopy
It is a huge skill of Medic to understand who is your priority healing target(s)...
with Quick Fix my priority healing targets are anyone who is not at 100% health and who doesn’t require me to overextend to heal them
since the QF heal is so fast that you can top someone up in no time and return to a pocket
absolute top medigun in teamfights imo
glass gale
qf is worse in team fights vs stock or kritz medi gun usually its better in 1v1s or 2v2s
in casual/pubs i find that qf is often enough but i dont like running it even there cus i value the actual medi uber or kritz more
also as a soldier i much appreciate being at 300 before i jump back out
and i can make sure not to yoink my med into sightlines or directly into enemies
also as scout, i hate qf since if im low it can leave me open to a quickscope
from overheal on the other guns a quickscope leaves me at a reasonable 35 hp
qf leaves me at 8
even with faster overheal it sucks vs sniper
earnest nebula
So uh, recommends for what I should buy and get premium?
austere jungle
Is the key economy really that fucked?
austere jungle
Jesus
earnest nebula
Key is 10 rm, demo starter pack is 12 rm 
glass gale
key will buy everything in any starter pack like 10 times over
earnest nebula
What the metal do? Craft?
austere jungle
What the metal do? Craft?
You can trade refined metal for everything
And I mean everything
earnest nebula
Is it that valuable?
austere jungle
The economy is bloated as fuck
Refined Metal is 3 Reclaimed Metal, or 9 Scrap Metal
You can get 2 weapons for 1 scrap I think
Judging by backpack.tf's prices
earnest nebula
And stock key and Refined metal are equal in value?
austere jungle
1 key is worth 87 refined
austere jungle
And stock key and Refined metal are equal in value?
1 key will buy you every weapon in the game several times over
austere jungle
Just Making sure, its this one right
I think just the default key
Should be yellowish
But it might've changed since
earnest nebula
austere jungle
Ye that one
Then once you've bought it, go to the website Scrap.tf
And trade the key to the bot for Ref
austere jungle
@earnest nebula if someone tries to initiate a trade with you, always check the prices so you don't get scammed like I did
earnest nebula
What should I do with the extra Huntsman and Axtinguisher I have lmao
austere jungle
What should I do with the extra Huntsman and Axtinguisher I have lmao
Make sure you don't scrap the achievement ones, because they can't be traded
muted canopy
I love how Scout thinks Tom Jones is his dad despite the fact Tom Jones is canonically only 5 years older than Scout
light tide
Do we actually have a confirmed timeline for TF2?
muted canopy
the Gravel Wars take place roundabout 1968 and I think Gray Mann kills Redmond and Blutarch in 1972?
Couldn't tell you where I remember seeing that info tho
earnest nebula
Gotta love I had to play the class for like 4 hours to get an achievement unlock, while pyro I only used 1 hour lmao
earnest nebula
Any tips on getting good at playing spy
austere jungle
Any tips on getting good at playing spy <:cheems:683182129668292685>
Learn ammo pack locations & practice moving between them on rollouts n shit
Don't rely on the disguise to actually fool anyone
Just to buy you a second of time before someone notices you
earnest nebula
At least Im finally done with Head of the class, losing
Sniper for now it is
Wtf there’s a sniper achievement to get stabbed 50 times? Lmao
earnest nebula
Don't rely on the disguise to actually fool anyone
So like, Cloak, ammo, kill, repeat
austere jungle
So like, Cloak, ammo, kill, repeat
You disguise to throw someone off for the half-second you need to kill them
Anyone who has played the game for more than 10 minutes is going to at least check teammates acting strangely
You learn ammo pack locations so you can get the fuck outta dodge while invis if necessary
light tide
Any tips on getting good at playing spy <:cheems:683182129668292685>
Use your revolver
Like the #1 thing new spies do thats a huge detriment to their success is not using their revolver
austere jungle
That boat needs to be defended
There are very precious supplies on that boat
For the seal spies
earnest nebula
Like the #1 thing new spies do thats a huge detriment to their success is not us...
Definitely me lol
light tide
Yeah, then use your revolver
Stock revolver kills a lot of classes in 3 shots relatively up close
If your back is against the wall, you can still sometimes weave between shots and get a kill with the revolver
sudden wigeon
Even if you're using L'etranger, it can still do decent damage where a knife doesn't
light tide
Yeah, though for someone new to spy I'd recommend sticking with stock
austere jungle
My argument against L'etranger would be it's good to learn the limits of the watch
earnest nebula
Saying this with respect
Where the heck do I get diamondback if I’m still pretty new
Yeah I somehow got Dead ringer early but like, I have to be real lucky for that lol
light tide
My argument against L'etranger would be it's good to learn the limits of the wat...
Thats the big part, yeah
But also stock teaches you good gunplay fundamentals
Letranger forces you to be more knife-forward
earnest nebula
Just have to force myself practice more with spy when I’m free
Same goes for my aim
sudden wigeon
Letranger forces you to be more knife-forward
Yes but this is good I argue
Since you will want to be stabbing most of the time anyways so it is better to learn and be comfortable getting into optimal stab positions
earnest nebula
Btw, is it normal that my game stopped giving me items right after I bought premium?
It’s been like that for 2-3 days
earnest nebula
That I know, but like, limit hit since Monday??? Really?
sudden wigeon
How many hours have you played 
sudden wigeon
Usually the reset is on Tuesday unless they changed it
muted canopy
For the seal spies
that joke cost money
austere jungle
Where the heck do I get diamondback if I’m still pretty new <:KEKW:6223475875166...
Trade your key for Ref, on Scrap.tf
Trade your ref for other denominations of metal, and also weapons
austere jungle
that joke cost money
And something else to consider - duckness
earnest nebula
Trade your key for Ref, on Scrap.tf
Not weekend, not free to do anything 😔
earnest nebula
Okay so, disguise for new spy should be use defensively or offensively?
Like, should I hit and run with it, or run with it then hit
light tide
Wdym?
glass gale
use ur disguise aggressively
but dont rely on it
it wont fool anyone for more than a few seconds
tf2 players do a lot of things at once and shooting is one of them
if ur a pyro not spychecking, a soldier not rocket jumping, a demo not spamming, a heavy not revved up, an engie not beelining for metal or fixing buildings, or a medic healing ur suspicious
so only use it to catch ppl off guard at a glance
earnest nebula
Noted
I did have eternal reward knife but really have to practice
What’s the ideal set of weapons to practice in y’all opinion, I have Eternal reward, Dead ringer, cloak and dagger, and stocks ofc
Like, how many option do I have within my power right now
glass gale
for spy?
it depends
stock knife is always solid
big earner is good when enemies arent grouped together
so u can chain stab
kunai is better when they are grouped together
for gun
spy can use any really
diamondback is best if u can consistently stab ppl
stock is best when u arent consistently stabbing
if u are good, ambassador is better than stock
l'etranger is great for needing to go long periods cloaked
only use it with stock watch tho
as for watches
all of them have use
cloak and dagger is great for going for specific picks
but is often a suicide stab
stock is best overall
dead ringer is great for getting out of spawn or other tricky situations but u cant rely on it to get consistent stabs
light tide
if u are good, ambassador is better than stock
Isn't the consensus that after the nerf amby got its strictly worse than stock in every situation?
glass gale
consistent headshots are broken
102 damage beats stock
and some ppl have gotten good enough at amby that they do hit 60% of headshots
60% is all it takes to beat stock in terms of damage
and its just a comfort thing
headshot + body shot takes out any light class
light tide
But with the loss in rate of fire, don't you kill pretty much every class at full health slower even at 100% headshot rate?
light tide
Like I'm pretty sure the math was that you need 100% accuracy on headshot just for it to only be slightly worse than stock
glass gale
even compared to stock revolver
light tide
And no one has 100% accuracy
glass gale
stock revolver has accuracy problems if u spam fire
theres a timer for all revolvers before they become centered again
light tide
Not at close to midrange
glass gale
the amby takes u to that
light tide
Long range yeah
glass gale
no it matters even close
light tide
But long range amby isn't good anymore either
glass gale
its not huge deviance but it can matter a lot vs scout
sure
but amby is better if ur consistent
light tide
Guess people changed their mind
glass gale
and i said ppl have gotten so used to amby that they are just better with it compared to stock
this doesnt apply if ur bad
light tide
Back when I was active consensus was that amby was worse even with perfect consistency on headshots, and much worse with realistic consistency
glass gale
in which case amby is going to be better only vs razorback sniper
that has a medic nearby
cus razorback no longer gives him over 125
so 102 + medic heal is beaten by amby
light tide
Like even 100% headshots still did worse was the consensus
light tide
Nah at all ranges
glass gale
but using it to duel up close is where it shines
its especially gross at taking out targets who are not at full health anyways
light tide
Up close was where the gap was seen as the biggest
glass gale
102 guaranteed is massive
yea that gap is pure cope tho as i said
if ur good at aiming amby
its just better
light tide
Up close stock takes out every class in 3 shots, and lightly damaged in 2
glass gale
whereas amby can be outright 1 shot
glass gale
yea and some ppl are good enough to hit even 60% of all initial shots
some are even better now too
there are some spies on uncletopia that have a crazy headshot ratio on amby
light tide
60% is too little
glass gale
60% is not too little for picking off targets
light tide
That means 40% of the time you're taking way longer to kill
glass gale
60% is the bare minimum though
light tide
And 60% of the time you only kill very slightly faster
light tide
Unless they're between 61 and 102 hp
glass gale
or soldier
he isnt supposed to be the most consistent at getting these shots
which tbf i think is dumb
light tide
Is killing slightly faster 60% of the time and much slower 40% of the time good?
glass gale
amby doesnt need the falloff since it was already super hard to hit those shots
yes
for spy
light tide
Like that's a bad trade
glass gale
and as u get even better
that gap gets bigger
its not a bad trade tho
60% of the time u get a kill u otherwise wouldnt
light tide
I'd rather kill 0.1 seconds slower 60% of the time in exchange for 0.5 seconds faster 40% of the time
glass gale
.5 secs faster but u may not even get that time
u are a squishy class with no escape tools outside of dead ringer
light tide
If you don't get the 0.5 seconds, you're not getting the 0.1 seconds either
glass gale
u do
earnest nebula
Pretty sure Pyro and Engi are my preferred class right now, just because I don’t need to aim lmao
light tide
Qt that point you're getting instagibbed
glass gale
if ur choice is taking that 1 shot and getting a kill vs doing 60 maybe
im taking the chance to 1 shot
and its generally preferred by anyone who can aim
light tide
That only works for a narrow 40 hp range tho
earnest nebula
Pretty sure Pyro and Engi are my preferred class right now, just because I don’t...
Tho that might change now that I have Flare gun
glass gale
pyro does require aim
flare gun is peak
but also
pyro's damage is locked behind the dragon's fury
and if u cant aim the df ur damage as pyro will be locked
df takes pyro from the lowest dps of the main damage classes to the 2nd highest
light tide
Pyro seems easier than it is
glass gale
intricacies with reflects, dragons fury
aiming flares
positioning
all important to pyro
light tide
You're either doing dragons fury nonsense, or ckmboing and airblasting
glass gale
combo pyro is entirely a meme now
dragon's fury is doing all that combo pyro did but better now
light tide
Only true easy classes are Heavy and i guess sniper
glass gale
ehh even then
light tide
I'd say engie
light tide
But engie needs game knowledge
glass gale
engie rollouts, game knowledge and positioning are huge
easiest class all things considered is probably soldier
but even he has a huge gap to get good at
earnest nebula
Only true easy classes are Heavy and i guess sniper
Except if you re as bad at aiming as I am lmfao
glass gale
sniper is easy to pick up i guess
but soldier has a functional kit even if u dont know what ur doing
sniper too to an extent
but that functionality requires a lot of aim
glass gale
yes
spy's role in highlander has entirely become around the 1 stab
that they get a chance at
spy awareness is too high
6s also uses l'etranger a lot more
light tide
So basically same role as 6s spy
glass gale
though the occasional aim goat will use amby
light tide
Worse Sniper that occasionall has an edge
glass gale
well spy still has a niche
can take uber counting out the medic's mind
and just tell u outright
can also tell u what the team's unlocks are in case they are on something spicy
or otherwise offmeta
like quickie bomb launcher
or if a med is on kritz
or if a soldier is on a backpack
light tide
Did they fix the bugs with that?
light tide
Disguise used to give you the wrong weapons all the time
glass gale
i think some weapons still bug out
but not the important things to get info from
like it bugs out with reskins
iirc
but not any stock weapons or weapons without a skin
earnest nebula
Definitely get why people say air blast is so good, one night I somehow killed a soldier reflecting his rocket despite I’m still new to air blast lol
Ohhhhh, I forgot Air blast need aiming too 
earnest nebula
Usually the reset is on Tuesday unless they changed it
Btw I checked
Gonna check the timezone later lol
That’s 8 am for me, okay good
earnest nebula
earnest nebula
Okay, apparently a more-casual server is what I needed to practice spy
Never imagine I can get so many backstabs
Pfft! I’m dead looking at ‘Slash and Burn’ achievement, I feel bad
earnest nebula
Not weekend, not free to do anything 😔
OKAY, it’s finally weekend, what do I do and what I need to know about this trade site
austere jungle
OKAY, it’s finally weekend, what do I do and what I need to know about this trad...
What do you want to trade: keys
1 key for 84 ref
then trade for every weapon
on that site too
glass gale
yes
key prices fluctuate and scrap.tf wants to make a bit of profit so they buy keys for below market value
austere jungle
Trade Keys I think
earnest nebula
Last chance, i can read but im scare without second opinion
type 1 at sell keys correct
austere jungle
Last chance, i can read but im scare without second opinion <:sweateragent:48482...
At worst, you just won't be able to trade with the bot
earnest nebula
Got to point of it saying ‘preparing your trade’ for a while now
It just keeps loading
muted canopy
Got to point of it saying ‘preparing your trade’ for a while now
did it work?
earnest nebula
Apparently I had to activate Steam Mobile for more then 7 days to work?
Today is day 1
muted canopy
Oh yeah steam mobile has a
uhh what’s the word
not a trial process
but yeah you’ll need to wait a week
earnest nebula
That’s annoying, but im not mad as long I still have the key and the item weekly limit finally reset for me, got a ton of new weapon just this weekend
muted canopy
If you’re lucky tho the price of keys will continue to increase in that timeframe 
earnest nebula
That’s annoying, but im not mad as long I still have the key and the item weekly...
Okay I guess I did include the achievement unlocks I got but I can’t count lol
Imagine having three Huntsman in inventory and working pretty hard to get Jarate/you-know-what-inside lol
earnest nebula
not a trial process
Wdym by this btw, I’m in free trial and need pay later?
earnest nebula
I think I might’ve hit the weekly limit again
Think this week I got
Original
Scottish handshake(?)
Widowmaker
Vita-saw
Overdose
Big earner
Second banana
Classic
Escape plan
Still only have Winger as my scout unlocks, while sniper unlocks I got 6 rn
sudden wigeon
Winger is really good
sudden wigeon
The additional jump height opens up a lot of flank opportunities
earnest nebula
Winger is the one that does triple jumps? Tried multiple time and it’s only double jumps
earnest nebula
Btw, which of these should I focus on getting through achievements
Force a nature
Razorback
Already got Direct hit so I guess buff banner
Blutsauger
Natascha
Backburner
Wrangler
Just want some opinion, personally I’m looking forward to get Force a nature and wrangler
glass gale
wrangler and razorback are impactful weapons
earnest nebula
Fantastic
Though I think I have to play maps with capture point, or smack a guitar, gonna find a friendly 2 fort hunting friendlies
earnest nebula
I got it!
Ovven did mention Razorback, doing snipers rn
Omg my bow aim is getting better
earnest nebula
Btw, do competitive have bots or no?
Like, is it at least less common than casual
glass gale
its common everywhere p much
if u wanna be free of bots i suggest going to moderated community servers like uncletopia
earnest nebula
Is that the one Uncle Dane created?
earnest nebula
GOD F DAMN IT THE GAME GAVE ME WINGER AGAIN!
I NEED MORE SCOUT UNLOCKS, NOT REPEATS
austere jungle
@earnest nebula can you trade your key yet
glass gale
well u can it just guts ur run speed
risk reward
its weaker than stock by a lot tho as a result since the risk/reward isnt really worth it
austere jungle
You can use it to pretend to be a Spy disguised as a Scout
muted canopy
You can use it to pretend to be a Spy disguised as a Scout
then you get bakestaybed by the spyscoutspy
austere jungle
then you get bakestaybed by the spyscoutspy
Not if you're playing counterspy
earnest nebula
Shxt, key ref down to 82
Tested, still not seven days yet, that might be tomorrow noon
austere jungle
Shxt, key ref down to 82
For reference, 82 ref is enough to buy you 1476 weapons
earnest nebula
austere jungle
There's like 160 weapons max in TF2
So don't worry about minor fluctuations
82 Ref is still ridiculously high
earnest nebula
Btw , this thing has been proven to be useful at 2 fort
Still trying to get all 3 intel at once
earnest nebula
‘I can’t buy any keys right now’ well that’s a new one
earnest nebula
Alright, making some progress atm
earnest nebula
Is it normal that I keep getting errors???
Oh, all good, seems like, 82 ref, 1 scrap and 1 reclaimed
Aight, now how do I rain weapons on myself
earnest nebula
Bought Tide Turner and Holiday Punch for now, feels kinda weird and magical how trading weapon works lmao
Fyi, 7 hours into demo, demoknight really is fun lol
earnest nebula
muted canopy
glass gale
lmao
light tide
Not rocket jumping, c-tap
Granted I rarely play soldier so I guess it didnt come up
Though this does explain why surfing felt inconsistent sometimes
glass gale
it does
its all about rocket jumping
u learn c-tapping and bhopping very well to rocket jump
at least thats how it is nowdays
light tide
Mmh
glass gale
some rollouts use both
light tide
Does bunnyhopping actually do anything besides save the market garden crit?
I thought they changed the acceleration early to make it not give you speed anymore
glass gale
it saves garden crit and it keeps momentum for some jumps it basically lets u c-tap the height more easily
light tide
Ah
I didnt know that either
Source is a very well coded engine with no spaghetti at all
glass gale
think barnblitz 2nd iirc?
on the way to 2nd point after capping 1st
the ramps there are perfect for bhopping to keep momentum up the stairs it is marginally faster than just running and saves hp
helpful when regrouping and vs flanking scouts/soldiers since u wont be at 150~160
light tide
Wait does this work for stickyjumping too?
light tide
I guess it doesnt come up because you take too much damage with the normal stickybomb launcher
Even non-c-tap stickyjumping puts you at like 30 hp or smthg like that
glass gale
lol yea not that low but ig wym
its damage
and no gunboats can help u
iirc if ur good at piping them u can do sticky jumper demo with the crazy tech
light tide
Yeah, though I see few people doing that
Then again you do see people using the double donk launcher for extended trimping sometimes
glass gale
its asking a lot
glass gale
u have to give up ur biggest source of spam damage
and u gain unholy mobility but u have to be really good at aiming ur primary
loose cannon is just too much meme imo
light tide
I mean so is trimping
People do it pretty much just for fun
Now I almost wish Spy could drop the sapper for an explosive and use that for mobility
earnest nebula
Learning how to trimp, at freaking 4:30 am lmao
Also, Jfc they weren’t kidding when they say Solarlight makes Demoknight look so cool 
edgy pivot
earnest nebula
please confirm with me that tokens craft are luck base and i got lucky just now
I just sorted most of my stuff and I have to do it again
Still trying my luck on Apoco Fist
From just weekly drops atm
hearty quest
I am GAMING as spy
earnest nebula
Why you have to be the sneaky stabbing type lol
hearty quest
stabbing?
earnest nebula
key worth 81 ref atm, bought a key while i can, stopped by 117 people in line infront of me
glass gale
tf2 econ goin crazy
earnest nebula
Huh, suddenly the thing sped up, I cancelled and just now join again, 56th atm
Guess I won’t be sleeping for another 10 minute
41st
‘Tradable after Tuesday 30 May’ oh fuck that…
austere jungle
Did you not already have a key?
light tide
Maybe I should learn how to play Soldier if I pick TF2 back up again
earnest nebula
Did you not already have a key?
Yesterday was my second key
brisk cradle
reinstalled after years and it's still as fun as i remembered, but so many bots
earnest nebula
Ye…
light tide
I have no idea what thats supposed to mean
muted canopy
<@168417951454724096> <@970847564121395250> not sure if either of u saw
yeeeeeeee
earnest nebula
Okay so, been playing a lot of Pyro shark lately, a burst of happiness happens inside me everytime Neon Annihilator hits, gotten to the point of me wanting a strange Neon lol
And guess what, an auction that had Strange Neon I was in, ended with 20 ref bid
This thing only worth 6 ref
muted canopy
earnest nebula
Oh yeah I wanna ask, what’s the difference between normal Strange and ones that have Killstreak and Specialized text on them?
austere jungle
Oh yeah I wanna ask, what’s the difference between normal Strange and ones that ...
Normal strange counts your kills
killstreak weapons count your kills in 1 life
Specialised Killstreak has a shimmer
I think there's a Killstreak above that that gives unusual visual effects while you're at a high killstreak
sudden wigeon
<@168417951454724096> <@970847564121395250> not sure if either of u saw
I will cry if we get a meaningful update
glass gale
Normal strange counts your kills
killstreak weapons count your kills in 1 life ...
pro killstreak gives shimmer + effect on top of all that
earnest nebula
I just helped ruin a 2fort match
Well, half of it, they really don’t want a match to end lol
hearty quest
Twitter
muted canopy
god I miss old Valve descriptions for things
(this was the promotional material for the announcement of ctf_doublecross)
light tide
I miss TF2 comics 
earnest nebula
Kinda awkward for me who joined the fandom relatively late
muted canopy
I thought I joined the fandom relatively late (2013) and now it turns out I joined it less than halfway through the ride
It’s definitely on a decline tho 
earnest nebula
That’s a good time I feel, I joined way too late I didn’t get to have the Poker night items
I want Iron Curtain pretty badly
muted canopy
I don’t have them either tbh
I used to have Earbuds and a Bill’s Hat but a “friend” swindled me out of them
not even an online friend I met through the game, one I knew irl
austere jungle
I joined around 2011 I think
muted canopy
sudden wigeon
Incredible
muted canopy
earnest nebula
MEDIC
earnest nebula
Working around my backpack, is it just me or Pyro have a lot of melee weapons, even the reskins
muted canopy
uhh
well I wouldn’t count reskins tbh
iirc it’s Axtinguisher + Powerjack + Hot Hand + Third Degree + Neon Annihilator + Back Scratcher?
am I forgetting any @light tide
light tide
I think barring reskins thats all of them
No wait
Volcano Fragment
The most forgettable of melees
Oh and Homewrecker, the Pybro melee
muted canopy
Ah ye forgor those
muted canopy
The most forgettable of melees
Behold! Thrill as you set enemies on fire at melee range as the Pyro!!!
austere jungle
Was the mailbox a reskin?
muted canopy
Axtinguisher reskin iirc
light tide
Aye
austere jungle
Rip Sketchek
muted canopy
Volcano Fragment and Sun-on-a-Stick should have swapped stats
muted canopy
It would just be an Axtinguisher reskin
light tide
But yes, both weapons end up rather pointless
muted canopy
Rip Sketchek
He didn’t die btw
light tide
Anyway I think Pyro has either the most, or second-most melee weapons of all classes
muted canopy
He popped up again after 3-4 years and people found out he’d lied about having cancer
and Valve took away the “Sketchek’s Bequest” part of the item description
muted canopy
Anyway I think Pyro has either the most, or second-most melee weapons of all cla...
Yeah I forgot just how many there are
muted canopy
Pyro’s a class that’s always seemed a bit like
schizophrenic in the design
like they know it’s a limited design but don’t know what to do about it
light tide
A little bit, yeah
Especially with how they flipflopped on whether or not pyro should be able to combo
austere jungle
He popped up again after 3-4 years and people found out he’d lied about having c...
Not scummy at all
muted canopy
Especially with how they flipflopped on whether or not pyro should be able to co...
i get that the old ‘tinguisher was too OP in casual but they didn’t need to ruin it so much
maybe take away the damage penalty and change fire crits to minicrits
and then balance that out with ||no random critical hits||
austere jungle
Since when was the Axtinguisher so bloated
light tide
Honestly Pyros design is just weird in general
Its an ambush class that generally lacks the way to actually get into an ambush
In exchange its significantly better in a direct fight than Spy, but that doesnt really help much either
Airblast is the whole thing saving it tbqh
austere jungle
Jerate!
earnest nebula
The most forgettable of melees
Meh, that place goes to Lollichop if you ask me
light tide
Technically a reskin
muted canopy
Most forgettable melee is definitely either the SVF or the SoaS
muted canopy
ehh not counting stock weapons
hearty quest
Most forgettable melee is definitely either the SVF or the SoaS
for a connoisseur of obsession like me none of the melees really feel forgettable
the only forgettable one per se is the camera all-class one
because no one uses it period
austere jungle
3rd Degree is also kinda stinky
muted canopy
better than SVF at least
hearty quest
SVF would be
earnest nebula
Watching TheWhat Show(ytb) Video about the infamous Emesis Blue, because im too chicken to watch the actual movie video, also it’s fucking near 12 am, I make at least one dumb mistake a day, I made many, this is one of the dumbest one in what’s probably a list of hundreds
Never touch horror if I can help it, a stupid part of me thinks horror ain’t so bad but I know that’s because I rarely experience it 💀
earnest nebula
Finally bought my own Kazotsky Kick taunt, marketplace was cheaper, worth it
earnest nebula
What the hell
Why the f we have that as a hat
I want it
muted canopy
ahh, good ol’ halloween hats
austere jungle
ahh, good ol’ halloween hats
A brother? I come back from the dead!
earnest nebula
I’m the yeti, we’ve been doing this for like 20 mins
God I love this ancient game
Hightower red spawn btw, Blu team can’t touch us
muted canopy
TF2 is such a great game
hearty quest
I love TF2 I wish Valve was real
earnest nebula
TF2 is such a great game
We did that for 53 mins btw lol
Broke my stay-alive record even
muted canopy
brisk cradle
glass gale
saxton hale real and true
muted canopy
16 years and this game's still chugging along
light tide
Wish wed get the heavy update though
muted canopy
the heavy update will drop at the same time we get tf comics #7
sudden wigeon
YO UPDATE
sudden wigeon
HE
earnest nebula
So what’s this VSH mode anyway, beating Saxton?
muted canopy
Yeah
earnest nebula
Tf2 somehow becomes a way for me to learn a whole new memes before searching the original of it lol
austere jungle
Tried to play TF2, wow is the playerbase sweaty
earnest nebula
Elaborate
austere jungle
Brand new player + me, matchmaking decided to put us against 6 people with Prof Killstreak weapons
and with 6 gibus pyros
muted canopy
and with 6 gibus pyros
maybe you got two pyros that just installed the game 20 minutes ago
light tide
muted canopy
https://youtu.be/KE8tqsZO1lY @paper patrol @austere jungle NOT A DRILL NOT A DRILL
light tide
Smh not pinging me for Ster
paper patrol
austere jungle
Ster..
earnest nebula
Very not-related to TF2 but like, pretty sure we did Force a nature jumps lmao
cosmic patrol
glass gale
cosmic patrol
The ster & jerm has aligned
muted canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tDbXSC-j3U
great job
earnest nebula
Sheeeeeesh~ havent been in the Scrap market for a while, rn the Keys worth is 62
austere jungle
The economy is FUCKED
muted canopy
raw robin
Me wondering if I should get a hat for £20
earnest nebula
muted canopy
austere jungle
Yeah what Griff said
ember dove
brisk cradle
austere jungle
@muted canopy I'm gonna need you to rank the Meet the Teams
I think my list is
||Sniper
Medic
Spy
Pyro
Heavy
Engineer
Scout
Demo
Soldier||
hearty quest
from best to worst, right?
austere jungle
Ye
paper patrol
||soldier's is a classic though ||
raw robin
My favourite is probably spys
Funniest is probably scouts but that's because you can mentally replace him with Jerma at all times
austere jungle
||soldier's is a classic though <:pensivecowboybread:737367263635570688> ||
It's not bad, I just think the others are better
paper patrol
fair enough
austere jungle
@muted canopy answer me, coward
muted canopy
<@168417951454724096> answer me, coward
||Spy
Soldier
Sniper
Medic
Demoman
Scout
Pyro
Heavy
Engineer||
austere jungle
Valid
paper patrol
this is the one
austere jungle
Engineer has a good monologue though
raw robin
Not only that but it doesn't tell you much about his role
hearty quest
he literally spends a good 30 seconds of the video talking about his sentry though
and the ending shot gives you a vague idea of his role
raw robin
It's the multiple sentries, complete lack of dispenser/teleporter mention and misrepresentation of his gameplay needs (turtling)
hearty quest
fair enough
muted canopy
yeah Uncle Dane has complained about that before
pretty much every other Meet the Team video gives you a relatively broad example of what the class does (excepting Heavy bc it was the earliest one and before they got the "formula" down, and arguably Scout)
but the message Meet the Engineer seems to send is "build a sentry and turtle up behind it"
glass gale
it also gives a bad idea on what engie wants to do. meet the engie is super passive when thats just not a great idea
muted canopy
yeah even when you have to be a turtle engie for some reason (defending last on payload for example) it's a really bad idea to be a stationary turtle engie
you want to be constantly moving around, you want to be keeping your dispenser up to keep your teammates in the fight, and if the enemy gets a lockdown on your sentry position you want to be looking for somewhere else to put it
paper patrol
it isn't a great idea but it is common
raw robin
Me about to go into a team fight knowing it's an 11v12 because my engineer is sitting at last point
hearty quest
10v12*, I'm mentoring the F2P engie on how to become the world's greatest
austere jungle
It's extremely light on any sort of comedic or action value
That's fair
austere jungle
there are so many nazis in this game
earnest nebula
paper patrol
cosmic patrol
muted canopy
@glass gale
earnest nebula
Ayy I get to be the one sharing this https://youtu.be/uX7jb7QAJ8g?si=RW6oBPhFi_aO1l8v
muted canopy
sudden wigeon
Nice
austere jungle
Sticky Spam really ruins this game
Such an unpleasant experience to go against Demo + Med or 2 Demos doing it
hearty quest
kritzkrieg stock sticky
tbh medic enables so many unfun strategies but is so vital to the game's balance
it's crazy
austere jungle
Even without Medic Demoman is just awful to go against
hearty quest
yeah
specifically the stickybomb launcher tho
pills are fine
if they're cracked they're cracked
bit of a hot take but I hate demoknight even more
muted canopy
Demoknight is a pick class
Annoying if you’re facing a good one but the amount of damage one can do is limited
Good sticky spam demos can shut down entire areas of the map
and even bad sticky spam demos can just get kills by spamming
austere jungle
Demoknight is a pick class
he's using the targe, and he found a way to blame someone else for losing a push
austere jungle
man Monster Bash fucking sucks
austere jungle
Monster Bash?
Player Destruction Map set in a Frankenstein castle