well, you're now running rush staples instead of tcg staples! mst > ghost cyclone
but enabling morganite mode would probably make a bunch of rush monsters significantly more viable things to spend a normal summon on i bet
#rush_duels
valid cave
uncut badger
I suppose
Stuff like magikey could get away with more than 10 too, probably
Sounds funny
On this note
Are there any rush exclusive cards from tcg/ocg import archetypes that the tcg/ocg decks would like to have?
valid cave
cyber processor is definitely the #1 to come to mind
its reveal thread on reddit was filled with tcg players saying "why don't we get this printed in tcg??"
uncut badger
and is there a better term than ocg/tcg for "regular" yugioh? It becomes a mouthful kinda fast
valid cave
well you can just shorten to one of the two
uncut badger
I guess
valid cave
"master duel" is what the ruleset is called but
that's also the name of the game too
uncut badger
Master is an option, true
I was thinking of using that, at least for in game dialogue
Altho "rush" and "master" decks kinda give the implication that master is the superior option
Goha duels isnt an option because they dont exist in the plot
Hmmmm
valid cave
Are there any rush exclusive cards from tcg/ocg import archetypes that the tcg/o...
cyber processor would just be an actual playable tcg cyber dragon card, but i could see cyber rush being usable too (draw 5 cards!!!!)
a number of harpie cards are arguably or actually just upgrades to their tcg counterparts, but only of the bad tcg cards anyway, i don't think modern day harpie with the legacy support like perfurmer or channeler would care fur them. maybe rush elegant egotist?
the dark magician stuff in rush is broken and might just stay broken in the tcg; an upstart that mills 4? a double monster reborn? spell extraction becomes much stronger when continuous spells and cards with graveyard effects are introduced to the mix, it's pot of greed now
i don't think monarch would care much? maybe one of the traps, if it's a lower power format? tribute kaiser is, kinda entertainingly, phrased in a way that makes it not work on any of the tcg monarchs, only on rush monarchs specifically
gaia has some pretty broken stuff in the tcg that definitely pushes out anything in rush, but i could see a lower power format using the rush cards as a more balanced replacement payoff
everything magnet is just incompatible with tcg, besides the draw spell (but the draw spell being tcg-playable is typical fur rush cards)
nothing blue-eyes is worth spending your 1 normal summon per turn on and i doubt the red-eyes stuff is cutting it
valid cave
yw!
desert cosmos
mage power reveal
dusk sleet
Oooh
Seems like it's about as much as we thought it would be
...I got no idea why they wanted to keep the effect a secret, but eh
valid cave
it's just consistent with how they always treat promo cards
lusty venture
so no changes?
dusk sleet
Probably the same as it always was: 500 ATK/DEF for each Spell/Trap you control, judging by the text
Though, I could be wrong; I'm not a translator.
dusk sleet
Sure!
rare silo
so no changes?
It looks to be the same as ever: https://ygorganization.com/thatwhackypower/ <@&681691144509194284>
RD/SJMP-JP039 魔導師の力 Madoushi no Ryoku (Mage Power)
Legend Equip Spell Card
[REQUIREMENT] Equip to 1 face-up monster on your field.
[EFFECT] The equipped monster gains 500 ATK and DEF x [The number of Spell and Trap Cards on your field].
uncut badger
Thinking about it
lusty venture
yup
uncut badger
Is the "equip" even a physical thing?
Like, do the mages just give power to the monster or is it like, the fire?
Is united we stand just the power of friendship ™️?
desert cosmos
Is the "equip" even a physical thing?
you put the 3 dudes on your back and gain 500 for each dude.
uncut badger
I see
lusty venture
well played
dusk sleet
Youch, those bricks
Bricks everywhere!
We can try again if you wish to keep going and test it out some more
lusty venture
yeah maybe tomorrow
dusk sleet
Righto
rare silo
https://ygorganization.com/alliwannabeissomeonewhogetstoseeagiantwoman/ <@&681691144509194284>
RD/KP17-JP058 コスモス姫のお戯れ** Cosmos Hime no Otawamure (Jest of the Cosmos Princess)**
Normal Spell Card
[REQUIREMENT] Send 3 cards (including 2 monsters) from the hand to the GY.
[EFFECT] Choose up to 2 cards on your opponent’s field and destroy them, then, if there are 2 or more cards on your opponent’s field, you can draw 2 cards.
uncut badger
lusty venture
oh it's a spell?!
dusk sleet
Innnnnteresting
Throw out a lot of cards, and if you're still at a disadvantage in terms of field size, the hand replenishes.
flint rose
"Once again, the time to awaken is upon us! Bear witness to this! An OVER RUSH on an extradimensional scale!!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/1c5iupx/etymology_over_rush_pack_2/
dusk sleet
Oh that's neat, Laps is a pun on craps
And the results you can get on that dice roll are pretty accurated with the game Craps
uncut badger
So i've been thinking
Instead of just putting in the early good high level mons in the starter deck, i could make add a little level 7 toolbox
Stuff like srm and dragias probably still make the cut, but i could add stuff like jointech rex maybe
lusty venture
@dusk sleet down to rush?
valid cave
you two never ask me to rush :(
lusty venture
You wanna rush Spirawr?
valid cave
ye!
lusty venture
alright hosting on DB
valid cave
just a sec to make sure my deck's up to date
lusty venture
ah ok
lusty venture
Nice dueling
valid cave
resolve doesn't feel too worth it in that deck
not reliable enough when youve only got esperade as a target
mostly it's just spending a card to pay 1500 and make you easier to kill?
lusty venture
yeah probably taking it out
dusk sleet
Ah sorry!
Am not available, but I’m certain Spirare makes for a good opponent
Resolve is super cool though
Apparently it’s a shout-out to one episode of SEVENS
valid cave
https://yu-gi-oh.jp/news_detail.php?page=details&id=1920 <@&681691144509194284> the alt art of the set is: five-headed dragon!
dusk sleet
Yeaaaa F.G.D
worn edge
Damn
dusk sleet
Pretty cool Over Rush Rare too
lusty venture
ooh alt art 5head
worn edge
Wish someone could summon FGD
dusk sleet
It’s surprisingly easy to summon
valid cave
it's pretty doable!
dusk sleet
p[Dragon Tribe Fusion]
tender orioleBOT
p[Dragon Tribe Fusion]
dusk sleet
It’s basically just Dragon’s Mirror
valid cave
plus, the dragon tribe deck is getting support this set (thats why the reprint!)
with tribemirror
dusk sleet
It’s most at home in decks around The Dragias
You use a bunch of normal monster dragons for it, so you can go for FGD as a good plan B
Plan A being any of the specific fusions The Dragias can fuse into
valid cave
i think i like the tcg version of this art better though
the high contrast + yellow glow added looks... kinda goofy?
dusk sleet
The tech lines are a nice touch
Calls to mind this thing’s role in the Legendary Heroes arc of Yu-Gi-Oh!.
dusk sleet
Insofar as other arts I still would love the 3rd OCG/2nd TCG artwork of Red-Eyes Black Dragon
The, I guess “Atticus” version?
I think that’s the art used in GX?
valid cave
true, i dont think that one looks good irl but a rush redraw has the potential to make it look a lot nicer!
dusk sleet
Yeah!
valid cave
but... original red-eyes doesn't really have a home in rush
its own deck evicted it fur summoned skull!
dusk sleet
Yeah, it’s super unfortunate
Only time you want Red-Eyes Black Dragon is for shenanigans involving Inferno Fire Blast
Which is a gameplan that doesn’t always work out very well
Though, 2400 effect damage is still a whole lot
On the bright side, the fusion stuff you can do with other cards works better for it than whatever Blue-Eyes White Dragon has
Red-Eyes Moon Dragon has effects that more easily treat it as Red-Eyes Black Dragon
(Also it’s got 1200 DEF, so you can just go all in on playing as Joey by including Alligator’s Dark Knight)
valid cave
i don't think so, blue-eyes is a strong deck with a very effective card advantage engine
even moreso with the new support giving it a good trap and a more consistent fusion to make
but both decks are solid
dusk sleet
Issue is you gotta summon them first
Not too hard with Vision Dragon admittedly, but it’s harder with bright dragon
valid cave
not really - bright dragon name changes while in the hand, and vision dragon summons itself for free
dusk sleet
Oh right
I forgot for a moment it did that
Man, all these fusion themes make me wish Fusion substitute monsters could be possible already
Though given how useful they can be, there’s no doubt they’ll get slapped with the LEGEND tag
[Versago the Destroyer]
tender orioleBOT
[Versago the Destroyer]
Level: 3
[ Fiend / Effect ]
ATK 1100 / DEF 900
valid cave
hmmm
dunno about that, it'd be a pretty bad legend and generic fusions are getting more and more common
i don't think it'd even help with many of the best fusions!
dusk sleet
Ahhh
valid cave
it's very likely that in a rush duel import it'd only work while on the field
which might make it noticeably worse
dusk sleet
Not too big a deal since the most common method is Fusion (the card)
Still I can see the problem
valid cave
could be a very nice tool with sevens wonder fusion if it worked from grave
dusk sleet
Yeah!
valid cave
mind, sevens wonder fusion still needs to use an actual sevens road magician i believe
valid cave
but then if you have versago + sevens road in rotation, you have access to every fusion that lists sevens magician on it
dusk sleet
Oooh
valid cave
which is a nice consistency boost to the toolbox
don't need to go out of your way to have chariot access in a deck not devoted to it
...but again it won't be nearly as reliable if it doesn't work while in the graveyard!
dusk sleet
I say Versago, since the other substitute, Goddess with the Third Eye is a LIGHT fairy monster
It would be much more useful for stuff involving celestial warrior monsters
And Mystical Sheep has that weird ATK value that ensures it won’t make it
valid cave
ooo wait a minute
if versago got added
then literally every deck that runs it would have access to tridynabase
dusk sleet
Oh dear
valid cave
not literally, a machine-focused deck wouldnt funny enough
valid cave
praime would looove to have goddess with the third eye!
dusk sleet
Yeah!
valid cave
versago is difficult to use cause of its typeline
an lv4 light monster is way stronger
dusk sleet
Yep!
Of course there may be the possibility of a Rush Duel exclusive that has such an effect, albeit likely at a cost or restriction!
tender orioleBOT
a[Goddess with the Third Eye]
dusk sleet
Imagine this with the Rush duel touchup
And yeah Imaginary actor would love any these but especially Goddess
You’ll probably have Imaginary Actor on hand, it’s just a matter of getting whatever kind of material you need, and what your opponent is using
So it’ll have an answer to a lot of things
valid cave
more the opposite, it'd fix the problem of not having access to the original actor
usually that deck will have one of its typed materials, and its happy with making any of its big fusion bosses, but it still needs to find one of your 3 copies of actor to do anything!
dusk sleet
Ahhh! Good point
lusty venture
Yup it works either way
but not having imaginary actor in hand is the bigger issue
lusty venture
OH
dark matter mist does exist (sort of)
it's just an anime card
No translation for what it does in the anime
valid cave
that's because the card didnt actually appear - it just has an art and that's it
the image shown is its art appearing over the dark matter craydoll card
lusty venture
Ah
lofty socket
the image shown is its art appearing over the dark matter craydoll card
phew, dodged a bullet there
lusty venture
anime uploaders not realizing
tardy mica
lol
desert cosmos
pufft
desert cosmos
had a dumb idea of combining inzektor and masked hero in rush
Custom Cards!
Morph HERO - Lacewing
[Level 3/Wind/Insect/Effect]
With her insect-like armor and delicate wings, this heroine soars into battle, embodying both strength and grace against evil.
ATK 1400 / DEF 300
Megamorphosis
[Normal Spell]
[Requirement] None.
[Effect] Choose 1 face-up face-up Insect monster with 300 DEF on your field, and Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck that mentions that monster on the field as material, using it as the Fusion Material.
Megamorph HERO - Monarch Wing
[Level 6/Wind/Insect/Fusion/Effect]
"Morph HERO - Lacewing" + 1 WIND monster
[Requirement] Send the top card of you Deck to the GY.
[Effect] Destroy 1 Spell/Trap on your opponent's field. Then, if this card was Fusion Summoned using only 1 monster as material, you can draw 1 card.
ATK 2100 / DEF 300
Megamorph HERO - Alexandra Wing
[Level 9/Wind/Insect/Fusion/Effect]
"Megamorph HERO - Monarch Wing" + 1 WIND monster
[Requirement] None.
[Continuous Effect] Gains ATK equal to [the number of Spells/Traps on the field] x 300. If this card was Fusion Summoned using only 1 monster as material, your opponent cannot activate Set Spells/Traps.
ATK 2500 / DEF 300
something like this, idk
uncut badger
https://tenor.com/view/cooking-soup-soup-can-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-kabuto-gif-10173021793239295451
valid cave
ah yes
im watching rush duels on edopro and
dusk sleet
Can't set any spells or traps for the opponent, eh?
lusty venture
not the Ash
valid cave
even funnier that they chose to ash a cobolt of all things
@lusty venture you round fur a duel now?
lusty venture
<@268199601817780234> you round fur a duel now?
Sure
lusty venture
yup
rare silo
https://ygorganization.com/wewillwewillrockyou/ <@&681691144509194284>
RD/KP17-JP033 地帝グランマーグ Chitei Granmarg (Granmarg the Rock Monarch)
Level 6 EARTH Rock Legend Effect Monster
ATK 2400
DEF 1000
[REQUIREMENT] During the turn this card is Tribute Summoned in Attack Position.
[EFFECT] Choose 1 face-down card on the field and destroy it.
uncut badger
New monarch 
dusk sleet
Ayyyy Granmarg joins the party
lusty venture
@dusk sleet you down to rush?
dusk sleet
Yeah, I can!
dusk sleet
When the walls
Came tumblin' down
lusty venture
nice dueling
dusk sleet
Yeah!
I really thought that Labyrinth Wall would save me.
It didn't.
Would be a good time to make like
A Shadow Ghoul / Labyrinth Wall fusion, but eh
Oh yeah, on Laps?
It's got 2700 DEF, I noticed. Could make for neat synergy with Deity of Seven Treasures - Ryozai
I dunno if it's the best choice, but it's still very good at safeguarding your set cards
valid cave
don't think granmarg can replace raiza mostly, in monarch and in most other decks raiza is still better
at best it's a rock but it has minimal rock synergies also
morbius might have a shot at being played!
dusk sleet
Mobius gonna morb all over those mirror force
dusk sleet
Oooh
Yeah, Rock decks love this already
I'd say Ice Age Catapult already does a fine enough job as is, but given it's level 7, sometimes a more immediate answer to Spells/Traps can be possible with Granmarg
valid cave
oh hey i didn't realize impactor comet could add a 6
that's not bad
lusty venture
fusion for shadow ghoul and lab wall when
heck gimme a whole support line for the 2 of them that mixes rock and zombies
dusk sleet
Yes!
lusty venture
Maybe even a parody where you create tiny clay figurines of the gate guardian parts
and a lego labyrinth
lusty venture
and lego monsters have a history of being rock in yugioh
only exception is block spider
heck dont even need them to be clay gate guardian pieces, you can just make them lego as well (though "Clay guardian" sounds like what konami would call it)
though lego fits with their combining theme
@valid cave thoughts?
dusk sleet
Only real issue is that Aside from Sanga of the Thunder, Suijin and Kazejin's names don't seem to lend itself to puns based on building blocks
Other than that, sounds good!
valid cave
neat concept!
but also, i feel like rush has gone really hard on parody with a lot of themes and id like to see a more serious-styled import of gate guardian
dusk sleet
First thought was a Maximum, but I don't think you can really convey Gate Guardian as a maximum
Unless you decide that it's just
Gate Guardian
But sideways now
valid cave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC5P8Hzw3os <@&681691144509194284> surprise monarch support! they get... a shark and... whatever that thing is...??
Emperor's Guard, lv3 dark cyberse/effect 1200/1000
[requirement] if you have 10 or more cards in your deck, shuffle 4 monsters with 1000 def that don't have 1200 atk from your graveyard into your deck
[effect] draw 1 card. then, this card's level increases by 2 until the end of this turn
Tribute Form, lv4 light galaxy/effect 800/1000
[requirement] send up to 2 cards from your field to the graveyard
[effect] shuffle monsters from your opponent's graveyard into the deck equal to the number of cards sent to the graveyard to meet the requirement. then, you can add 1 "advance impact" or "emperor realm" from your graveyard to your hand
lusty venture
ooh neat
valid cave
these arent very good unfortunately
soft nexus
why do so many cards require you to have 10+ cards in deck for their effects?
valid cave
why do so many cards require you to have 10+ cards in deck for their effects?
design trend happened after potterloop
which was an ftk/pseudo-ftk that involved drawing all cards in your deck, then shuffling back a few specific cards and re-drawing them over and over again to burn the opponent to death
so, near every monster that draws now requires you to have 10+ cards in your deck to make sure that it's very, very difficult to rig your draws to be completely reliable
dusk sleet
I'm awake now!
Almost
We got: Virtual Whales, Space Gates, Maju applying L'oreal, and more artworks
Nice!
stuck summit
my boy maju garzett getting the respect he deserves 😤
lusty venture
@dusk sleet wanna rush duel?
lusty venture
alright sure
lusty venture
But I can do a Rush duel
I can do one right now
lusty venture
nice duel, and villa was the translator oops
lusty venture
@valid cave double checking, is God Maju just effect monsters?
dusk sleet
Though, it may be something around Summoned Skull rather than Maju Garzett
lusty venture
cuz ygorg is saying effect only
valid cave
<@225458766374502400> double checking, is God Maju just effect monsters?
looks to be yeah, it wont gain atk from a normal monster you tribute for it
so, no 5900 atk god maju in magnet warriors
lusty venture
oh rip then
valid cave
wait a minute
is god maju garzett a go rush manga reference
are we getting a 3-trib god maju because of god oblivion and god requiem
stuck summit
looks like it
in the manga, tribute summoning with 3 tributes is called a "god tribute summon"
uncut badger
winged dragon of ra next year, trust
dusk sleet
Oh wow
Yeah, they actually are just callbacks to the Egyptian God Cards, come to think of it
Gilford the Lightning is a god card now, apparently. I don't make the rules.
valid cave
...ha they specify light just so they dont synergize with snipe hunter huh
okay i thought ribbon was insane but then i noticed she's level 6
these cards are still very good though
desert cosmos
i'm the only one who thinks Dice Key and Dicemite are so disjointed
like why the "bosses" are dark fiend. while the support ones are light fairy but only care about light/fairy...
Minna adding back Caramail only (and no other Dice Key monster) since none of the others have 300 ATK/DEF feels weird.
why not mention caramail at that point.
Literally the only other target is Mokey Mokey.
dusk sleet
I think only Dice Archdemon and Dice Archswordsman are the only non-LIGHT attribute monsters that are level 7 or higher
lusty venture
Literally the only other target is Mokey Mokey.
mokey mokey isnt a legal target
Mokey mokey has 300 atk, but it doesnt have 1200 def
desert cosmos
so just caramail...
man it got even worse.
They should have literally mentioned caramail by name at that point.
desert cosmos
we have 3 new dice key. none of them are 300/1200
lusty venture
They can give her more targets later
the dice key/dicemite stuff is part of her season 3 deck, while the rest were her season 2 deck
desert cosmos
even so Dice key/mite seem absolutely dysfunctional
5 dice key monsters, 2 Dicemite
that's more than enough to have some cohesiveness, and yet...
the light ones don't even have dice effects.
valid cave
like why the "bosses" are dark fiend. while the support ones are light fairy but...
eh? the only dark fiend boss is archdemon from epoch's stuff
both of the dicekey bosses are light fairy
desert cosmos
wut ?
uncut badger
how does this look as a starter deck?
valid cave
it's intentionally pretty bad i assume
uncut badger
kinda
(legend cards specifically are incompatible with master duel cards, so you dont get a free PoG if you choose this deck over the other two)
valid cave
the legend could be blue-eyes at least, no point running a 2500 vanilla with no support
uncut badger
fair
also
this may sound a bit obvious
but i kinda want to have the 3 starter decks on the same powerlevel, and this is the first draft for the other starter (the third one is a pend pile i havent finished yet), how under/overpowered is the rush deck compared to this?
it's honestly kinda hard to gauge since the rush deck naturally gets pretty easy swarming via the infinite normal summons
valid cave
yeah thats hard to say
uncut badger
Also
uncut badger
how does this look as a starter deck?
Any other fusions i could slot into this list?
Except sevensgias, obviously
valid cave
to be honest
sevensgias would be fine without wonder fusion
card was legal for a long time and was very funny but very bad
esp since youre not optimized to have many types
uncut badger
i guess
valid cave
could toss in a copy of sevens road witch and master
(optional: charm witch? she's a very modern and relatively pushed design though)
uncut badger
current draft
uncut badger
could toss in a copy of sevens road witch and master
(optional: charm witch? she...
i could do witch ig
uncut badger
final list i think
valid cave
https://ygorganization.com/sleepisthepoweroflife/ <@&681691144509194284> more dice support!
hey moon, there's your second minna target
minna now converts into 3 bodies on board with enough setup which is really good!
desert cosmos
@lusty venture life likes to make me seem like a joke, but i get what i want bc of that the the same time.
looks like a cloen
memes what i want into existence
seems fair
valid cave
all together these cards seem really, really good
desert cosmos
we do have a tribute engine now.
since they finally gave them a low level dice roller
if only the mitee were good tho.
valid cave
i did think ribbon was low level at first, being lv6 makes her a little less busted than she looked at first but theyre still very good
dusk sleet
https://ygorganization.com/sleepisthepoweroflife/ <@&681691144509194284> more di...
Tapir~
desert cosmos
this deck would need better bosses
valid cave
getting 3 bodies off a single fodder is crazy, thats reptile levels of card advantage there
though it still needs graveyard setup first of course, finding all 3 names wont be that consistent
rather unfortunate that this stuff doesnt work with archswordsman
lusty venture
facts
pseudo burrow
I wonder how much it’d take build around Player and Captain #39
lusty venture
@dusk sleet down to rush?
dusk sleet
Yeah, I can do duels!
dusk sleet
Thanks for the duels!
lusty venture
very nice dueling
dusk sleet
Your good fortune is still just the best it seems!
Rollin' nine all the time with laps
I really do like the Dicemite cards
They do dice rolls in such a way that the roll won't either just destroy a duel then and there if it works, or just completely set you back if it doesn't pan out very well
Unlike some other examples in the OCG, side eyeing Sixth Sense
lusty venture
same
dusk sleet
A right shame that it seems the only OCG-capable exports we could expect now are like, Sixth Sense, Fire Darts and Dicephoon
Gonna see if I can finally do that whole level 7 normal monster dragon deck-thing
Could be a good change of pace
rare silo
<@&681691144509194284>
RD/KP17-JP065 神疑の光来 Shingi no Kourai (Auspicious Arrival of Divine Doubt)
Normal Trap Card
[REQUIREMENT] When a monster on your opponent’s field is sent to the GY.
[EFFECT] You draw 2 cards, then, you can randomly choose 1 card in your opponent’s hand and send it to the GY.
dusk sleet
Innnnnteresting
The way it's worded also lets you activate it during your turn too, so it's not like, pointless, unlike Tortoise of Greed
valid cave
The way it's worded also lets you activate it during your turn too, so it's not ...
oh true, paired with monster removal that could make this pretty good actually!
tardy mica
catching up on go rush and the sky fossils seem neat
would just need to be buffed a bit
valid cave
https://ygorganization.com/jampallstars/ <@&681691144509194284> an interesting new take on a battle trap!
dusk sleet
Oooh
uncut badger
Thinking about it
I wonder if they'll eventually do name change for strategies not related to fusion summoning
A maximum deck with pieces that change their names while in the hand could be nice
That way the deck could, for example, have more than 3 of an (L) piece
Now i kinda want to make a custom archetype on this
stuck summit
a lot
uncut badger
Care to elaborate?
stuck summit
compulse becomes a lot worse
stuff like ecliseras and soul drake become a lot better
valid cave
why would compulse be made worse by an mp2?
are you thinking of using it in battle phase? compulse in its rush duel implementation is almost never activated in battle phase, it's basically always flipped in main
but battle traps in general would become worse, significantly easier to play around/through
for instance, one of the big reasons mirror force is a threat is that it leaves your field empty, giving the opponent a chance to deal huge damage
with a main phase 2, youd have a chance to set your hand post-mirror force to defend
lusty venture
compulse becomes a lot worse
compulse is pretty much never used in BP in rush
dusk sleet
I was gonna say "But why?", but then I also remembered that you have to meet the requirement it now has first
lusty venture
exactly
dusk sleet
Eg: Your opponent summons, or activates a spell card
stuck summit
are you thinking of using it in battle phase? compulse in its rush duel implemen...
yeah sorry i misremembered what the condition was
i thought it could trigger when your opponent attacked
dusk sleet
Common mistake!
winter ridge
https://ygorganization.com/mayyourguidinglightbestrong/ <@&681691144509194284>
New Dragon girl
RD/KP17-JP037 純真のファドロニール Junshin no Fadronir (Fadronir the Pure)
Level 3 LIGHT Dragon Effect Monster
ATK 700
DEF 100
(REQUIREMENT) If you have not drawn during the Main Phase this card is Normal Summoned.
(EFFECT) Both players draw 1 card.
lusty venture
pretty solid card turn 2 and onward if you dont have as many draw effects
dusk sleet
Pretty cool!
uncut badger
so i've been thinking
of just ignoring all of the "downsides" rush duels had when porting them over to my game
(3 collums, no mp2, etc)
but then i realized
that the starting hand size was also different
going from 5 to 4 (but you can draw going first)
which doesn't matter when you go first but it does when going second
so now i've been rethinking on how to implement them from scratch
what are your thoughts on this?
valid cave
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_RUSHDUEL/status/1783783073529954721 <@&681691144509194284> more dragon support! themed around miragias, now?
Twitter
Dragonic Geist, lv1 earth dragon/effect 0/0
[requirement] if the only monsters in your graveyard are dragon or high dragon type, send 2 face-up level 4 or lower effect monsters from your field to the graveyard
[effect] special summon 1 level 7 earth or dark attribute monster with 2500 atk from your graveyard
Twin Edge Phantom Dragon, lv3 dark dragon/effect 1000/0
[requirement] if the only monsters in your graveyard are dragon or high dragon type, change this card's battle position
[effect] 1 face-up level 7 dark attribute dragon type monster with 2500 atk on your field gains 500 atk and can make 2 attacks on monsters
lusty venture
the dragonic geist is also dragonic slayer support
dusk sleet
Ah, cool!
...Twin Edge Phantom Dragon seems very redundant though
Can't Illusion Strike Dragon Dragias already attack twice during the battle phase?
lusty venture
@dusk sleet down to rush?
dusk sleet
Oh yeah, I can do a rush duel!
uncut badger
Can't Illusion Strike Dragon Dragias already attack twice during the battle phas...
It can but it needs to discard a level 7 or higher dragon
lusty venture
nice dueling
lusty venture
the one noticeable thing about geist, it's soul drake for level 7s
at least, earth and dark dragon level 7s
dusk sleet
Ahhhh yeah
lusty venture
with specifically 2500 atk
dusk sleet
Only kinda thing I can think of that fits the criteria is like, Dragonic Demolisher
And one kind of normal monster
lusty venture
dusk sleet
Ahhhh
lusty venture
the targets (minus cards DB doesnt have yet)
lusty venture
gravebronze for example is also a target
dusk sleet
Oh yeah, that's the normal monster I was thinking of
lusty venture
Auspicious Arrival of Divine Doubt is also doing pretty well, though granted I used it against a deck that tributes on my turn
(and had a torrential)
lusty venture
though I can see it as working well regardless if you have MP monster removal just due to the nature of rush as a form of play disruptor.
dusk sleet
You can use it on your own turn too, as well as mine, so it's definitely a lot better than say, Tortoise of greed
lusty venture
exactly
uncut badger
What's the current meta?
dusk sleet
There's a lot of neat stuff that can definitely keep dueling with the best of them, so there's a lot of deck types that are out there
But from what I noticed on Nexus, a lot of recent trends are abound on Gaia the Fierce Knight, Magnet Warrior, Praime, and Love
I could be wrong though, since Magnet Warriors and Love are fairly new, and likely are being played for that reason
Some series, like Excutie, Sevens Road and the like are also still very popular.
dusk sleet
Ehh, they are?
But you barely rely on Dark Magician a who-
Oh, you mean Duel Monsters
Yeah, they are very good.
Gaia is still my favorite deck out there, and it works so well too
uncut badger
I see
uncut badger
So i've been looking into some stuff online and apparently there was a deck that most of its monsters, if not all of them, were just maximum pieces
But i couldnt find any examples online
Does anyone have a list, or know where to find one?
valid cave
youll have to be more specific
are we talking a regular maximum-centric deck like blaze fiend or sea serpent, which runs a lot of maximum pieces but also glue between them
or a complete garbage meme deck that has only maximums
because those have shown up but they aren't. like. real
uncut badger
I see, i got told the latter was a thing during a short time
valid cave
guess it depends on how much you consider to be "a thing", very long time ago they did occasionally appear in local store events but were never good (wmax they were called, that is, double max)
finding a decklist would be very hard i think
valid cave
@uncut badger managed to find an old edopro replay saved featuring one
uncut badger
The☆Current Build
valid cave
sparks......
...im aware that it's mentioned on sparkhearts girl, and you're running her for the fusion
but setting sparks is meant specifically to synergize with bendorbreak the conqueror, who you aren't running (and, well, shouldn't be)
i think having some unutilized text on her is fine
no amount of deckbuilding can turn raidacross into anything besides a 2100 vanilla after all
uncut badger
fair lol
valid cave
if you want fusion summoning to be a realistic thing to do you could consider tossing in a copy of star restart?
valid cave
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_RUSHDUEL/status/1784356859245478317/photo/1 <@&681691144509194284> cute critter <3
Twitter
uncut badger
what do you think of the ratios?
valid cave
Dragon Remover, lv3 earth dragon/effect 500/1000
[requirement] during the turn you normal summoned this card, change the battle position of a level 7 or higher dragon monster on your field
[effect] look at 1 face-down card in your opponent's spell/trap zone. if that card is a trap, destroy it
despite what i expected from the name, this is a dragon who removes things, not someone who removes dragons
uncut badger
currently its at 7 lvl 7+ mons, 2 lvl 5-6s, 20 lvl 4-, 8 spells and 3 traps
valid cave
ooh, guess so!
but also works with scout
who's a low-level and changes himself to lv7
lusty venture
fair, but yeah the slayer deck support
uncut badger
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_RUSHDUEL/status/1784356859245478317/photo/1 <@&681691...
is it riding a giant racoon?
or red panda ig
uncut badger
:3
valid cave
doesn't really look like one besides striped tail
could maybe be a related critter though
from a short wikipedia dive
coati?
stuck summit
> **Dragon Remover**, lv3 earth dragon/effect 500/1000
> [requirement] during th...
"dragon remover"
look inside
trap remover
lusty venture
from a short wikipedia dive
coati?
oh yeah that does look way closer
valid cave
@lusty venture or @dusk sleet, either of you up fur a duel rn?
valid cave
alr!
dusk sleet
Give me a moment~
valid cave
you host when you're ready?
lusty venture
sure
Ooh, we should all do a match against each other (as in we all fight the other 2 once) and then tally our wins
dusk sleet
Annnd that's game
lusty venture
Also so thats 2 wins for Spirare, 1 for Symph
dusk sleet
Other way 'round, 2 for Spirawr!
lusty venture
oh oops
valid cave
alr summer, who dyou want to play then?
dusk sleet
Shall I duel you next, or will Spirawr duel you?
lusty venture
Spirawr vs me next
dusk sleet
That's 1 win for Spirare, 2 for Summer
valid cave
er
dusk sleet
Guess I'm up next!
valid cave
summer im not nearly talkative enough to be symph!
lusty venture
XD
dusk sleet
argh DB acting up
lusty venture
2 wins me, 1 win symph
dusk sleet
There we have it!
lusty venture
so the tally is 4 wins for me
dusk sleet
Unsurprisingly I'm in last
dusk sleet
Righto
lusty venture
Im surprised I was the only one not on a dragon centric strategy
dusk sleet
I mean, I used warriors too!
lusty venture
yes but warriors riding dragons :p
dusk sleet
...And some weird slime thing
lusty venture
yep
dusk sleet
And technically-a-warrior-riding a dragon but is actually a Magical Knight
...Man, I wished Buster Blader had like more cards to his name
lusty venture
That was insane when you got the buster blader to 11100 atk
dusk sleet
Already it was the coolest lore thing in the OCG, but here it's just like, him and I guess Skilled White Magician trying on new duds
p[Witness of Dragon Destroyer]
tender orioleBOT
p[Witness of Dragon Destroyer]
Level: 3
[ Warrior / Effect ]
ATK 900 / DEF 1200
dusk sleet
That was insane when you got the buster blader to 11100 atk
And they say only Transamu Praime Full Armor Nova can only go up that high
Makes me wish there was like some way to fusion summon, I guess Dark Paladin
The OG Magical Knight
dusk sleet
Wanna see if we can expand on it a little bit too
Maybe like, rope the server tournaments thing into it little by little
lusty venture
We definitely gotta get like more rush fans in on it
dusk sleet
Would probably involve a different system like Edopro, but I think it could work
I know Copper and Moonrite might be good picks!
tardy mica
Yeah I’m just too lazy to use Duelingbook
valid cave
<@225458766374502400> you enjoyed the little mini-tournement?
well... if i was planning on actually competing id have played a better deck :p
uncut badger
Guess shiranuis are the mascot of DL now
valid cave
yup
yall made some bad choices in that poll
desert cosmos
pufft... they turned Dark Matter into Yubel lol
dusk sleet
Dark Matter Octopus sounds intriguing
Any kinda thing you can think of with Amazoness Swordswoman in the OCG could apply here
desert cosmos
Any kinda thing you can think of with Amazoness Swordswoman in the OCG could app...
don't think there is much of that in rush
like i don't think anything deals double damage
dusk sleet
More that your opponent takes any damage you take
So you could actually OTK your opponent if they have an incredibly high ATK monster on the field
dusk sleet
I dunno if there's other Galaxy monsters with 0 ATK, but I imagine the ones that exist are not DARK attribute
uncut badger
how up to date is rushcard.io?
lusty venture
I dunno if there's other Galaxy monsters with 0 ATK, but I imagine the ones that...
has to be dark galaxy
dusk sleet
Oh yeah, Darkness Dwarf is one of them
lusty venture
but yeah heres the other options
valid cave
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_RUSHDUEL/status/1784877786752241753 <@&681691144509194284> guess what types these are >:3
Twitter
desert cosmos
https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_RUSHDUEL/status/1784877786752241753 <@&68169114450919...
Doragon!
dusk sleet
Oh yeah, you could use Ancient Arise Dragon for this
Was wondering if a level 7 WATER Dragon monster even exists
Fusionic Tribevern seems very well suited to using Dragon Tribe Fusion, since it becomes a level 7 monster
p[Dragon Tribe Fusion]
tender orioleBOT
p[Dragon Tribe Fusion]
dusk sleet
...Wait, I must be thinking of something else
Something else worked off a level 7 dragon monster, aside from there being a fusion monster needing a level 7
valid cave
...Wait, I must be thinking of something else
no, dragon tribe is correct
it's just that the eye doesn't handle rush cards well and only showed the effect and not the requirement
valid cave
although you still need to field a normal monster on board in addition to the lv7
dusk sleet
It's just, you gotta foot the need of using a level 7 normal monster when you do so
Yea!
valid cave
and i don't think there's really lv4 normal monsters worth running to take advantage of that - double ray dragons isn't good enough to justify the deck space
usually youd just play an lv7 normal monster to get both requirements at once
that's easier
uncut badger
What legend cards do people run currently?
valid cave
monsters: very deck-dependent, most often snipe hunter when there's no synergy or restrictions, occasionally raiza
spells: dark hole, monster reborn, graceful charity, heavy storm (heavy more likely to be in side)
traps: cylinder, mirror force, compulse (most often cylinder in main)
valid cave
...nah buster blader is pure meme
nobody runs it
well, you ran it! which was very funny
but it doesnt see any serious play
uncut badger
I've seen a lot of lists on pot of greed lately, altho i dont know if its just bad deckbuilding or not
valid cave
ive seen one person who swears it's optimal over graceful charity for his specific deck theme (straynge burn)
but mostly, it's bad deckbuilding yeah
pot of greed is really bad in rush
dusk sleet
~~well, you ran it! which was very funny~~
~~but it doesnt see any serious play~...
I mean, I had to bring together the Yugi vibes somehow
I'll probably replace it with Snipe Hunter, or possibly Granmarg the Rock Monarch
Pot of Avarice usually works way better than Pot of Greed
valid cave
please dont play avarice either
dusk sleet
Mostly cause sometimes there's just one card you want to recycle so you can have a chance of seeing it again
valid cave
both of them are terrible
valid cave
avarice is acceptable if you're on potter too yeah
dusk sleet
Generally, if it's a subpar Legend, it's often got cards that will work with it
valid cave
(but mostly, at 2 copies, potter's been powercrept out)
(she still absolutely cannot be released back to 3 though!)
dusk sleet
Like, Trap Mole, Malevolent Seller, Goblin Holedigger Captain, etc.
uncut badger
Ngl i've been thinking for a while what deck to use nowadays
dusk sleet
I'm still debating if it's a good idea though; Malevolent Seller's often the only good one of the bunch, since it can get you any Legend Card from the GY, like say, Power Bond
Everything else is pretty situational
valid cave
monsterwise, vanity's fiend is playable in side deck, and there's also specific decks that want jinzo, granmarg, great maju, mirage dragon, and various normal monsters
and... i haven't seen fish in a whie but i guess those decks would run golden flying fish
dusk sleet
I still love how Golden Flying Fish is a thing
valid cave
I'm still debating if it's a good idea though; Malevolent Seller's often the onl...
using power bond as the example...?
uncut badger
monsterwise, vanity's fiend is playable in side deck, and there's also specific ...
Abyss solider would be better no?
dusk sleet
I had Malevolent Seller in a Cyber Dragon deck
uncut badger
For fish, i mean
dusk sleet
yeah, WATER decks would like Abyss Soldier
I don't think Golden Flying Fish is very worthwhile, so just cutting your loss with the one weird Aqua monster works well enough
valid cave
could be matchup dependent, maybe you'd run one in main and one in side - abyss soldier would suck going into excutie or harpie for instance
but again im speculating, i havent seen a fish deck in a while
uncut badger
Excutie is still a thing?
dusk sleet
A fish deck
valid cave
lily went back to 2 recently!
uncut badger
I thought it got banlist chopped ages ago
dusk sleet
I am the Freaky Fish Guy ™️
valid cave
theyve been gradually letting it off the banlist with time
and lily back to 2 is huge fur the deck
uncut badger
Ngl i've been thinking for a while what deck to use nowadays
Thinking about it, most of my picks are either probably outdated or just bad, huh
valid cave
well... what are your picks?
lot of decks will be playable casually regardless, you dont have to be a meta player!
uncut badger
Fiendish rulers, yggdrago, and some 7 roads list, either the regular version or that weird darkness zerorogue variant
Those dark galaxy monsters focused on dark hole also look pretty interesting
Volveigr or something?
valid cave
if you're willing to play zaion's go rush stuff, yggdrago got some solid new support recently
although, yggdrago the monster itself is super outdated and the pieces mostly used as tribute fodder if they're played at all
instead the fusion retrain is the main boss of the deck
valid cave
Volveigr or something?
voidvelgr
rulers and sevens road are also not meta but definitely solid casual decks, lot more playable than og nail yggdrago
uncut badger
if you're willing to play zaion's go rush stuff, yggdrago got some solid new sup...
Oh that's, kinda disappointing
Not really a fan of space yggdrago, sadly
Oh yea btw why is dragon roll at 1 now?
valid cave
Oh yea btw why is dragon roll at 1 now?
that was a long time ago, in... i believe the second banlist ever?
she's a terrible card, but a victim of potterloop
valid cave
with potter at 2 copies, there's no real reason to have dragon roll on the banlist anymore
but also, since she totally sucks, there's no real reason to let her off the banlist either, she'll be used for only unfun things
uncut badger
my sushi deck tho >: (
valid cave
sushi doesnt want her!
(anyway, the reason she's limited is that she's a card that draws + recurs herself, so if you can draw all cards in your deck she's used as part of the combo to go infinite by drawing and recurring cards while guaranteeing the cards in your deck will include draw power and recursion to keep going)
(she's unable to do that on her own though, she needs potter backing her)
valid cave
didnt you ask that a couple days ago?
we havent had a meta warping set drop within the last couple days!
uncut badger
Wait did i?
dusk sleet
#1021552237224415263 message
I dunno if my information is very accurate, but I did an educated guess nevertheless
valid cave
i don't really have access to tournament information anymore to gauge the decks that are objectively the best
dusk sleet
Yeah, like, I really wish there was news we could read about concerning Rush Duel
valid cave
and what you run into in random duels on edo or db or nexus isn't necessarily representative
uncut badger
Yeah, like, I really wish there was news we could read about concerning Rush Due...
Same!
dusk sleet
But in Ygorganization, it seems all that comes around are like, updated concerning GO RUSH!!, and any Rush Duel products and reveals
uncut badger
There's just no info on the format (in english at least)
valid cave
praime, sea serpent, excutie, royal rebel, celeb rose should all be heavy hitters competitively still
i expect love to make a splash, magnets probably not, but don't have results backing that
also don't know how dark caster or harpie perform post-banlist
uncut badger
Maximum sea serpents or?
valid cave
yup
dusk sleet
I think it's actually Abysskite Party
valid cave
abyss kraken
dusk sleet
There's a lot of ways to make a Sea Serpent deck
uncut badger
also don't know how dark caster or harpie perform post-banlist
Wait, dark caster?
valid cave
there are! but abyss kraken is the best of them
valid cave
Wait, dark caster?
yup
dusk sleet
And funnily enough the cards you rely on are not WATER attribute. Buncha LIGHT and DARK Heathens, forgetting the glory that is Kaiyru Shin
valid cave
are you familiar with the dark magician spells turbo deck?
valid cave
yeah, that one
valid cave
praime, sea serpent, excutie, royal rebel, celeb rose should all be heavy hitter...
shockingly i dont think ive ever run into a royal rebel deck before
it's weird
i know that the deck is putting up great results in japan
dusk sleet
It's less a Dark Magician deck, and more an "Obsidian Magical Soldier" deck
valid cave
but ive never actually dueled it before
dusk sleet
Still screaming the hits with level manipulation
valid cave
nah, not anymore
they use the new support from megaroad pack 2, if youve seen that stuff
dusk sleet
Gaia's also very popular (And this isn't bias showing, at least, I think not), but I got no clue how it's holding up either
uncut badger
I think i did but i forgot what the big guy was called
valid cave
believe the boss lineup is now just heavy metal, progressive, and maju garzett
dusk sleet
Could be a winner, but it could just be that weird deck that's still very popular and can fight with the best of them
valid cave
(garzett is the obligatory echo garnet)
uncut badger
Echo?
valid cave
...eye still doesnt know how to pull up rush cards, and this server still doesnt have bastion, which is annoying
dusk sleet
This?
valid cave
dusk sleet
p[Echoing Whispers]
tender orioleBOT
p[Echoing Whispers]
dusk sleet
Oh
Wrong card for me, then!
(Though this is a neat card, I might consider it for side decks... but I guess Ring of Storms is a little better)
valid cave
(Though this is a neat card, I might consider it for side decks... but I guess R...
widening whisper was never usable, word working is the retrained version of it that saw meta side deck play for a while - though not anymore
dusk sleet
Ahhh
valid cave
ring of storms is rather unreliable as grave hate too, because of the "different names" clause
dusk sleet
Was right on thinking Ring of Storms works better if I really want to shuffle monsters to the deck
valid cave
not very good at stripping away a specific monster when your opponent's deck is reliant on that
dusk sleet
Ahh
Still super excited for Elemental HERO stuff
We could even see more neat GX stuff
valid cave
ive never been a gx person myself, not too interested in it... though it's been a long time coming, i know a lot of people will love it!
now, if there's a gx deck id like to see...
...how do we not have ancient gear golem yet?
dusk sleet
Yeah, Ancient Gear would be super cool
Most their monsters are simple enough that you can throw em over 1:1
Like this
uncut badger
I wonder how a 7s road deck looks like nowadays
It was always pretty flexible
Altho i assume you just tunnel into wonder fusion nowadays
valid cave
they released some new stuff centering around cats & witch which is cool :3
lusty venture
I wish we could get hero reveals soon
valid cave
the witch stuff encourages diversifying from wonder fusion because the fusions dont use sevens magician as material, but otherwise wonder fusion is the tried and true version of the deck yeah
uncut badger
Straynge familiar finally beating the "worse doriado" allegations, glad to see it
dusk sleet
"Here comes the hero to both you and me! Elemental HERO Flame Wingman!"
lusty venture
still a way to go before it releases
valid cave
with fear magician, you could potentially try a road arms turbo deck for casual
uncut badger
"Here comes the hero to both you and me! Elemental HERO Flame Wingman!"
Did someone ask for neos to overshadow everything again?
valid cave
definitely not good, but funny!
valid cave
~~Did someone ask for neos to overshadow everything again?~~
guarantee you that the first 6 cards to be added to any hero deck will be 3 neos and 3 secret order, yeah
dusk sleet
Neos would be pretty alright
It's a Warrior normal monster, and those are still relatively popular in Rush Duel
uncut badger
I'm just still a bit mad how much it pushed aside the season 1 heroes in gx
Bladedge was a cool guy 
dusk sleet
Same
uncut badger
Oh yea right
Dark sevens is a wonder fusion target
Kinda forgot about that
Not that dark sevens is a particularly good card tho, arguably worse than its materials
dusk sleet
The GY is pretty important
valid cave
define "management"?
dusk sleet
You or your opponent can work off stuff in there (Like say, Transamu Praime Armor Nova), or you can use some spells or traps to shuffle things back to the deck for an effect cost
uncut badger
Using it as fusion mats
dusk sleet
I do it a whole bunch with the Gaia deck I got
uncut badger
Stuff like that
dusk sleet
If it's not Veteran Gaia or Veteran Curse of Dragon, it's probably Necromaid Nana
dusk sleet
Also it's gonna be very weird if we do get Neos, since Galaxy type monsters are a thing, and Neos just remains 'a warrior' from space compared to the other space superhero
p[MilkyWay Neo]
tender orioleBOT
p[MilkyWay Neo]
Could not resolve English data for searches: milkyway neo
uncut badger
Something that looks like what yuga used in the anime, with things like ice age catapult, boltcondor, and thunderbold in the same list
dusk sleet
p[Milky Wave Neo]
tender orioleBOT
p[Milky Wave Neo]
Level: 7
[ Galaxy / Normal ]
ATK 2500 / DEF 1000
dusk sleet
Literally just
Alternate Earth Neos
uncut badger
Aw
Btw, how good are tech dragons currently?
That kinda looks cool
am i asking too many questions?
dusk sleet
I think Summer's been utilizing them a lot, they're pretty neat
Dragons are in a pretty good spot lately
Between stuff like Blue-Eyes White Dragon still being a rightfully scary threat, the newest wave of dragon support allowing Dragonic Slayer and his pals to get really brutal, and tech dragons, I say they're in a good spot
dusk sleet
Ehhh... not really? probably wasn't the worst for a good long while
I mean, this exists
valid cave
Recycling
well, recycling has always been somewhat prevalent in rush
we had phoenix dragon from the very start! and a lot of grave shuffling
dusk sleet
And it's big, but really not that imposing with it's left and right part effects
valid cave
how much recursion each deck has is pretty deck specific
like it's always been
some decks have more, like celeb rose; some decks have less, like reptile
uncut badger
well, recycling has always been somewhat prevalent in rush
we had phoenix dragon...
I guess
Its only that i heard that card design kinda shifted a bit with the go rush era
Wanted to know if that's true or not
valid cave
it has for sure, specifically with the release of over rush pack
over rush pack more or less redefined how konami looks at the game, a lot of things have changed and not just card design
uncut badger
Care to elaborate?
valid cave
in terms of card design
one of the big hitters is summoning conditions becoming widespread
excuties are a post-over rush pack deck with lots of special summoning themselves, praimes can all be summoned with 1 tribute, there's various monsters that change their names in grave like the harpie ladies, that's all post-over rush pack card design
pre-over rush pack, there was only 1 fusion spell and that was fusion, now deck-specific fusion spells are commonplace, as are fusions with generic materials and more than 2 materials
maximum monsters getting to use their effects outside of maximum mode, and having level setups like, all-low level maximums, all level 10 maximums - that's all post-over rush pack design
card design shifting isn't just in terms of power, it's about konami doing much more with their card design
(...but it also is about power, the power level of cards has definitely increased a lot)
in terms of monster recursion
there's not necessarily more of it in every deck, but it's easier, less hoops to jump through
uncut badger
I see
valid cave
e.g. elite amp - it's a "phoenix dragon" for royal rebels that doesn't require a discard
valid cave
Care to elaborate?
as for how the game changed in the post-over rush pack era outside of card design
first off - over rush pack was when the banlist was introduced, and when the legend rule was changed to allow 3 legends in the same deck
they started printing anime themes less, and irl-original themes and tcg import themes more
main sets changed their layout some; the rush rare rarity was retired and replaced with over rush rares. instead of the 000 slot in a pack always having a legend monster, it now always has an alt art reprint in over rush rare, and legend cards can now be placed anywhere in the pack including at lower rarities
anime characters no longer appear on the pack cover, and main sets now follow the ocg naming scheme instead of being called "deck modification packs"
and every pack now includes secret rare cards, including 4 alt arts with every set
(and the rarity distribution changed a little bit)
dusk sleet
Innnnnteresting history!
valid cave
post-over rush pack, the game is handled a lot more like the ocg is
it feels like roughly the point at which konami started taking rush duel seriously
uncut badger
Fascinating
lusty venture
If we ever get a rush version of neos, do you think the retrains of the neo spacians will be their original types or galaxy?
valid cave
probably the original types - they might just import several of them as-is
dusk sleet
Oooh
lusty venture
idk, they could make galaxy versions. If the main game had galaxy type the neo spacians would be like the easiest case to make galaxy
dusk sleet
It would be fitting!
uncut badger
Can they even import glow moss as is?
valid cave
air hummingbird, aua dolphin, flare scarab are easy imports
grand mole would be difficult and probably has to be changed significantly, glow moss and dark panther basically make no sense at all within rush
valid cave
steals an effect
uncut badger
[Dark panther]
tender orioleBOT
[Dark panther]
Level: 3
[ Beast / Effect ]
ATK 1000 / DEF 500
uncut badger
Thinking about it
Phantom of chaos would make for a cool legend monster
Ngl
Altho you would have to rework the banishing part
valid cave
well, maybe it could? you'd also have to introduce the precedent that it can activate its effect a second time, though
dusk sleet
Most ports can have a good work around
Like say, you can just activate Zaborg the Thunder Monarch's effect anytime on the turn you tribute summon it, instead of absolutely having to use it once you do a tribute summon
Kept that in mind designing some custom cards too
dusk sleet
Pretty neat
They are very, very fusion heavy though, so you kinda live or die on the fusion spell card
And if you got terrible luck, like me, the whole deal with a bunch of cards putting anything on the bottom of the deck instead of shuffling em back in will come back to haunt you
valid cave
they're not very good, not with ciela limited to 1
dusk sleet
And yeah, Ciela was super good
The Extra Deck often isn't gonna use all 15 spots
So you could for example, have a single copy of Ciela and 5 Celestial Warrior monsters in the Extra deck, for some very easy ATK reduction
valid cave
ciela is the best low level and makes the best fusion
so with him at 1 the deck just doesnt do that much
dusk sleet
Funny thing on Sky Saviors is, they will use all 15 spots, but they almost always will be something you can fusion summon
They got that much fusion monsters.
The one other flaw is they don't got any very big monsters
valid cave
well, that's not really a problem
dusk sleet
So you often live or die on the fusion summon or try to rely on other big warrior monsters, like Glacies the Snowmeister of Sacred Splendor, or Yamiruler the Dark Delayer
valid cave
because you can easily splash in generics
dusk sleet
It's a big problem when I play it though. I got bad luck!
valid cave
like, there is no archetypal support in rush duel, not having any bosses with "skysavior" in the name isn't a downside
uncut badger
Oh yea
Speaking of fiendish commanders
I heard they have a really good trap card now?
valid cave
uhh
i think you're thinking of skysavior wish
which is a skysavior card
(it's just that skysavior and rulers are often played together)
dusk sleet
It's a very potent trap card, even then
Not every deck needs it, but those that can benefit from it really like it
uncut badger
uhh
i think you're thinking of skysavior wish
Maybe
uncut badger
I wonder if we'll ever get a good winged beast mon that supports the rulers
They tried it like what
3 times?
And they all were bad
Btw
Just to know
What was the closest rd had to a pile deck?
Just dragoncaster with yamiruler and heavy metal teched in?
valid cave
no, it was definitely--
uhhhhhhhh
how do i describe a "goodstuff" deck
when it's literally known as "goodstuff"
uncut badger
What was in it?
valid cave
anyway, excutie up being printed allowed for an extremely goodstuffy pile of level 7 monsters to be good
valid cave
using the effect to make tribute summoning big threats really cheap - mostly the usual culprits, dragias, lurker, some caliguleons, some secret order targets
uncut badger
Wait the caliguleons actually saw play?
valid cave
yeah
there was also a level 8 specific variant of the deck at one point, though i dont remember what exactly prompted it to be playable
that version ran... voidvelgr elysium was one? yamiruler, caliguleon, not sure if there was other stuff
uncut badger
What's the difference between being a level 7 and an 8 in rd?
Besides ship of 7 treasures
dusk sleet
Usually not much in terms of power
Level 8's often are more likely to go as high as 2500 ATK, though
valid cave
in terms of support?
uncut badger
Yes
valid cave
generically, the most important thing is that level 7s get superstar riff and ryozai/treasures, and secret order in the case of normal monsters - historically anything level 7 would also go into thunderbold pile but that isn't a thing with thunderbold limited to 1
level 8s get... comparatively not very much outside of deck specific stuff. the most important thing is the shitotsu-miginagi pair, which is basically a generic phoenix dragon for any level 8 with 2500 atk (which is most of them). trade in is worse than treasures. there's phoenix dragoon, but that's not great
uncut badger
I see
valid cave
should try digging through my edo replays to see if i have any decklists of these things saved
heres an example of lv7 goodstuff
oh yeah, lv8 decks used to get -
er, the flaming sword with the japanese name
whatever its called
not played anymore, but it's an lv8 upstart goblin that gives you an atk boost
uncut badger
Wording fairy?
valid cave
yup, wording fairy! she's just generic grave hate
uncut badger
Huh
Neat
Ngl this looks kinda fun
Also wait
Magical stone excavation wasnt a legend card?
valid cave
nope
it used to be a really, really strong 3 of
now it's a really really strong 1 of!
uncut badger
I see
valid cave
oh hey, i found a list of lv8 goodstuff too!
although, the almastra in there is unusual - i think this is most likely from a game played in prerelease, experimenting with almastra when it was revealed from over rush pack but nearly nothing else? the deck never saw irl success with almastra because... almastra was printed at the same time as excutie
(i dont think it was normal for decks to have only 2 copies of excutie up either)
valid cave
the only banned card in rush!
uncut badger
Good
valid cave
and it absolutely deserves it!
valid cave
er, the flaming sword with the japanese name
(yamata no tsurugi, it's called apparently. the official english name should be easier to remember once we get it...)
rare silo
https://ygorganization.com/diabolicmath/ <@&681691144509194284>
RD/KP17-JP040 タスドクロ Tasudokuro (Plus Skull)
Level 4 DARK Fiend Effect Monster
ATK 1300
DEF 0
[REQUIREMENT] Change the Attack Position card to face-up Defense Position
[EFFECT] Choose 1 face-up DARK Fiend monster on your field with an original ATK and DEF of 0. During this turn, that monster gains 1000 ATK and its attacks pierce.RD/KP17-JP041 マスドクロ Masudokuro (Multiply Skull)
Level 4 DARK Fiend Effect Monster
ATK 1300
DEF 0
[REQUIREMENT] None
[CONTINUOUS EFFECT] If you would Tribute Summon a DARK Fiend Effect Monster with 0 ATK and 0 DEF in Attack Position, you can treat this face-up card as 2 Tributes.
lusty venture
Ah that helps with the new garzett
still sucks that it doesnt allow normal monsters
uncut badger
Loved this guy in forbidden memories
Iirc it was the easiest way to get to fuse summoned skull
lusty venture
@dusk sleet down to rush?
dusk sleet
Sure, I can do a duel!
dusk sleet
An excellent duel!
lusty venture
yup
dusk sleet
I can't believe that worked. And yeah, I would have not lasted another turn if I played on defense
God Maju stuff is super cool though
Love that the act of tributing 3 monsters for stuff is back in force
Maybe we'll see others soon, like more GO RUSH stuff, Moisture Creature, and the like
Moisture Creature's just super funny
Wouldn't be that out of place in GO RUSH!! either, considering it's also some form of alien
What I'd like to try out later is finally making some form of Excutie deck. Maybe Spirawr's got some pointers
lusty venture
Definitely
valid cave
ye!
its still my main deck after all >:3
uncut badger
what do ppl usually play in the side deck?
dusk sleet
I think in most cases, it's just countermeasures against other decks, as per usual
Like, if you're against decks that rely on a bunch of stuff in the GY, something that shuffles those monsters they need back to the deck, where they may not end up drawing them next turn will be a good pick
I'm a little in the dark about some common picks though, so my side deck choices can be... questionable.
A few people who use Legend cards often have other legend cards in their side deck though, so there's that
Like, say, you had Magic Cylinder in the main deck, but you realize you may get more milleage with Compulsory Evacuation Device
valid cave
A few people who use Legend cards often have other legend cards in their side de...
are there rush duelists that don't use legend cards often??