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earnest ravine
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it's been done, bros

earnest swallow
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Feb 1?

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Wasn't it feb 2?

earnest ravine
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I'm US CST so I think I get everything earlier than most other timezones

earnest swallow
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I see

earnest ravine
earnest swallow
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@earnest ravine

earnest ravine
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choccy

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I am NOT

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clicking on that shit

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put it in spoilers for everyone else

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pls

earnest swallow
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Oh right

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My bad

earnest ravine
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but yeah I saw that in my feed and was crying about it

earnest swallow
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Oh shit

maiden estuary
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Damn

earnest ravine
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as a send off to the "fully cleaned" long running joke of my channel I decided to risk it and upload a few more tracks before release. Please note that these tracks are their FULL versions. this is it pretty much! that aside, personally I think this one is really good in my opinion but I still don't know which is better between the original and...

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I'm gonna say it

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this OST fucks harder than OG

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even Burn My Dread

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maybe it's recency bias, idk

maiden estuary
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Burn My Dread vs For Faith (Yakuza 4)

earnest ravine
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this is the Velvet Room theme

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||they changed it||

maiden estuary
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||Every single time I hear Aria I hear Igor’s voice saying “Welcome to the Velvet Room”. Should I be concerned?||

earnest ravine
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||depends, did your parents die in a car crash||

earnest swallow
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Best aria of the soul version and why is it p2:ep?

maiden estuary
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||Mine live, I’m fine||

earnest ravine
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because EP FUCKS

maiden estuary
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I do have a lot of respect for the Arena version

earnest swallow
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||i like it||

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Blues in the velvet room is also rlly nice

maiden estuary
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Man I wish later Persona titles Abbadon was more like the Nocturne version

earnest ravine
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I wish we got P5A already

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and we bullshit a way to have Makoto there

maiden estuary
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I wonder what are some of the best Ultimate Personas, whether it be for an awesome skill card or just being quite quality

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Like Helel in Persona 4

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and ig Lucifer from the same game as well due to Victory Cry

earnest ravine
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IZANAGI

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NO

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OOKAMI

maiden estuary
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Ah right its the ultimate of World by virtue of being the only one

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And being the one you get the Victory Cry skill card for in 4

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outside of Lucifer or the Victory Cry Cheat

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for Personas with access to victory Cry

earnest ravine
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I'm not gonna sugarcoat it

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M Y R I A D T R U T H S

maiden estuary
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“Myriad Truths isn’t broken, its lore accurate!”

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Also shoutout to Helel bejnf part if the Fusion move that rivals the most powerful attack in Persona history

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The Super Megidolaon from the Velvet Attendants

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Or would Omegidolaon sound better

earnest ravine
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Sigmadolaon

maiden estuary
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good ol Armageddon

earnest swallow
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Shout outs to the kaiwan with victory cry you can get before the second dungeon in p4g

maiden estuary
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Yep that’s what I was referencing earlier

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Eveb though the grind for that is insane unless you’re super lucky

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iirc you need an Ukobach and a Ghoul

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then you need a day with a skill change in the Fusion Forecast

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June 24 for example

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Then you need to hope Tetrakarn is picked

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and then hope it becomes Victory Cry

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Which is statistically a 1% chance

earnest swallow
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Iirc i got mine on the third try

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Wasnt there a way to force tetrakarn to be picked?

maiden estuary
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You can use some more Fusions to make a Kaiwan with a bunch of high level moves

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Which requires an Oberon and Pixie as well

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Though you xan also stop the process after each step if you get VC

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Also need some capital for the Compendium for the Fusion process

earnest swallow
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Man

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I want p2 remakes so bad

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I want to shill the game to people who want to play the game at a resolution higher than 240p

earnest ravine
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my case for why Aigis is best girl

earnest swallow
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I wonder if we'll get all personas that were available in fes/portable

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Since those had loki before ||Akechi claimed it as his and gave it the zebra redesign||

earnest ravine
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so yeah

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Reload's getting Answer DLC

earnest swallow
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if we're getting the answer at all

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if i'm reading correctly this basically means "we wont do a new version of the game"

earnest ravine
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ye

maiden estuary
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That’s nice at least

earnest ravine
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but this wording implies there'll be DLC down the line

earnest swallow
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mhm

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i wonder if i should get reload since i played fes just last year

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i feel like the main experience wont change much

earnest ravine
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there's added story bits

maiden estuary
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||Erebus goes hard aesthetically||

earnest swallow
earnest ravine
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and don't take it the wrong way but knowing where you live I think you should hold off on getting it

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I'm sure at the end of the year they'll have a sale

earnest swallow
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the switch version looks "cheap"

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🙂

earnest ravine
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there is no switch version

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in ba sing se

earnest swallow
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wait

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i thought you were joking

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there really isnt one

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wtf

dull tundra
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Wait Reload isn't coming out on Switch?

earnest ravine
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no

earnest swallow
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anyway

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i hope we get to spend time with aigis ||before her SL unlocks on LITERALLY THE LAST MONTH ON THE GAME||

earnest ravine
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I'm guessing they'll unlock her SL like the day she joins your party

earnest swallow
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maybe

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i also wonder how they'll adress the free time you get

maiden estuary
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Venus Eagles will be my Vietnam again

earnest swallow
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since fes only gave you 1 free day if you did all social stats and SLs in your first run

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my hardest experience with original p3 was the hermit ngl

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you think they'll keep the vincent cameo from portable btw?

earnest ravine
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absolutely not

maiden estuary
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When the Sin Online is Innocent

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What were the other QoL improvements aside from removal of the Tiredness mechanic

earnest ravine
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"improvement" is kinda ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I like Tiredness, made every single day mean something

maiden estuary
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Though it also removes the funny trick with Mr Edogawa and boosting Coursge heaps

earnest ravine
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Tiredness is there and they also removed mandatory romance for females

earnest swallow
maiden estuary
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I also imagine it’ll have non random skill inheritance

earnest swallow
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Shout outs to the like

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19 people who rerolled for hours to get a perfect orpheus telos for "that" fight

maiden estuary
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Was very annoying to reroll for Theo’s requests when I was doing the FeMC playthrough

earnest ravine
maiden estuary
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Shitposting game on point

maiden estuary
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How have h’all been enjoying so far

earnest swallow
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Reload ||THEY MADE NYX AVATAR HARDER LET'S FUCKING GO||

snow kelp
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2 and a half hours in to 3 Reload after never playing the original. game good

earnest swallow
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||It now only acts once per turn and loses its Almighty Attack skill, but makes up by having almost all of its attacks deal tremendous amount of damage, with one attack dealing up to 300+ damage unbuffed.

The following are the various other alterations of the fight:

In the phases where it does specialize on magical attacks, it will now only use heavy tier and severe-tier magic.
During certain phases, uses the signature attacks of other Arcana shadows or attacks in a way that resembles their behavior.
Its Hierophant arcana phase will use Doomsday Doctrine (Prophecy of Ruin in the original game), Arcana Hierophant's signature attack.
Its Lovers Arcana phase will charm the party and try to kill charmed party members using Heartbreaker like Arcana Lovers.
Its Hermit Arcana phase has its moveset completely revamped and uses Arcana Hermit's elec attacks.
When it reaches the Emperor Arcana phase, it will charge its sword with energy and use the extremely powerful physical attacks "Sweep" and "Sunder." The Emperor Arcana phase itself also uses physical skills instead of electric skills.
When it reaches the Hierophant Arcana phase, feathers will fall from Nyx Avatar, and ailment susceptibility will be increased.
When it reaches the Hanged Man Arcana phase, Nyx Avatar will begin using Grim Transcendence to act 3 times in a turn instead of one. It might also use Megidolaon from this point on.
The Death Phase is signified by having its wings turn red. It no longer uses Moonless Gown, but instead spends its first turn to use Apocalypse, an almighty attack that reduces all party member's HP by 99%. Make sure to heal afterwards. It will then follow up with Night Queen. Further uses of Night Queen and Apocalypse will occur if Nyx Avatar's HP goes below 50%.||

earnest ravine
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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

earnest swallow
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Damn, already?

snow kelp
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I imagine it's similar to the original Persona 3

earnest ravine
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m,an

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all I care about is making my Perfect Thanatos

snow kelp
maiden estuary
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||Did notice that it didn’t give you the choice. Currently up to after the May Full Moon boss||

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||For the Chariot bit||

earnest swallow
maiden estuary
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Though all in all the reviewers absolutely had it right with the scores

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I’m only like in the second in-game month and already been having a great time

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How has people’s progress been so far?

snow kelp
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I'm on 4/21

maiden estuary
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5/10 myself

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Started yesterday

maiden estuary
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Well I uh

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Got roundly humiliated by one of the Tartarus bosses

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Just uh

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Be careful of Floor 42 to say this in the most spoiler free way possible bros and bronettes and all inbetween

earnest ravine
maiden estuary
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Up to May 30 ||Previously YUKARI SAID THE FUNNY!||

gloomy sorrel
maiden estuary
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THEY GOT HIM TOO

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I NEVER FELT LIKE DOODOODOODOODOOOOODOO

earnest swallow
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Cemented lightbulb 🗣️

earnest ravine
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uh

maiden estuary
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Got that Mitsuo energy with the Yuki bit

maiden estuary
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Been wanting to fuse the Lord of Hee-ho! himself King Frost.

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Not sure the best way to fuse His Majesty

maiden estuary
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||Man Chariot and Justice go hard as boss designs. Same with that red Abaddon.||

gloomy sorrel
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So the guy who has been leaking a ton of persona stuff has leaked that

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||Atlus is planning a p2 and p4 remake||

dull tundra
gloomy sorrel
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I will accept it under just 1 circumstance

||Make Yosuke bi you cowards||

dull tundra
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YESSSSSSSSSS

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Honesty ||P4 remake in general is kind of a fine line ngl||

maiden estuary
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||I would love a P2 remake! Which version are we talking here?||

earnest swallow
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||Both||

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||Hopefully, cant really play onw without the other||

maiden estuary
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||I just wonder how they’ll handle a certain plot point of Innocent Sin||

earnest swallow
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||Probably the same method they used in the psp port, give him sunglasses||

maiden estuary
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||I just hope modern media literacy don’t bite them in the ass there||

earnest ravine
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I'm sorry guys

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it looks like it's a P2 remaster

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not a remake

earnest swallow
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Hmm, acceptable

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As long as they dont make it as bad as 3portable

maiden estuary
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Regardless it’d be nice to play the games in my case

earnest swallow
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Reload ||THE REAPER NOW FOLLOWS YOU UPSTAIRS||

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||YOU CAN'T JUST QUICK TRAVEL OUT OF THE FLOOR NOW||

maiden estuary
maiden estuary
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||Unless things changed. Shiva is still Tower’s Ultimate Persona in P3R, right?||

gloomy sorrel
maiden estuary
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||I ended up completing Elizabeth’s Auto-Maraku request by complete accident. In preparation for the Aeon Social Link, about to reach January, I grabbed the Nidhoggr I fused ages ago from the Compendium. Turns out that Nidhoggr I had in the compendium had Auto-Maraku lol.||

earnest swallow
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Kuri, did you already play p3 before? Idr if you did or not

maiden estuary
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Yes I played P3P

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I got it when the Remaster came out

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@earnest swallow Why do you ask?

earnest swallow
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Curiosity

maiden estuary
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And revisiting the game has really changed my opinions a ton

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Like me being incorrect about Yoshida being the best Sun

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Not to diminish how fantastic Yoshida’s storyline is

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Might be recency bias but Akinari really took the crown.

earnest swallow
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I need to do a S.Link list someday

maiden estuary
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But yeah here’s my ranking currently of the Suns (Gonna count Ayane and Yumi as separate)

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Akinari
Yoshida
Yumi
Ayane (Usually choose Yumi so a bit of an unknown)

maiden estuary
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Though could someone explain why P3: The Answer is a bit…divisive? All I know is that it ||apparently ruins Yukari’s character?||

earnest swallow
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It's a bunch of small factors that pile up, for most people

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The gameplay loop consists in ||a dungeon followed by an info dump about one of the party members, repeat that 7 times, then you have a gauntlet and the final boss||

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||The dungeon bosses are seen as annoying due to them all having evade skills||

earnest swallow
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||The possibility of Makoto being able to be revived makes some people say it undermines the themes of the main game||

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||and some people just don't like how some characters were handled, namely yukari being extremely antagonistic towards the rest of sees and mitsuru standing for her without any reprimand for her behavior||

maiden estuary
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LET’S FUCKING GO I BEAT THE FUCKING REAPER

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Now to prep for You Know Who (Not the Final Boss You Know Who)

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||This includes the Ultimate Orpheus Telos once I get the ability to make em. What Stage 4 move to build around…||

earnest swallow
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||aint elizabeth still ng+ only?||

earnest swallow
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||But thunder reign is the cooler one||

maiden estuary
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||The request I ended up getting after I whipped the Reaper’s ass||

earnest swallow
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||Huh, i see||

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||in any case dont accidentally overlevel for nyx : )||

maiden estuary
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||I’m scared for Nyx from you saying that. My party is like low 90’s at worst from me bullying the Reaper several times with Armageddon after the legit win||

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||But at least Ultimate Orpheus Telos won’t be as nightmarish to make as it was in Portable||

earnest swallow
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||Last time i checked nyx is level 73||

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||so lol||

maiden estuary
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||And if I use Orpheus Prime it would be kinda funny||

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||Though I have a concrete goal for my Telos. Victory Cry, Thunder Reign, Elec Boost, Elec Amp, Salvation, Unshaken Will, Spell Master and not sure what last one to add.||

earnest swallow
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||Does messiah still have his exclusive skill from portable?||

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||The one that's a boost to all magic skills||

maiden estuary
earnest swallow
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||Cool, also, if they didnt change the elizabeth fight's moveset, which i dont know if they did or not, you kinda need null poison||

maiden estuary
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||Could switch Salvation for it in case||

maiden estuary
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|| But ye I’m thinking either Magic Ability or Sharp Student||

maiden estuary
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||Decided on Enduring Soul instead alongside the Endure from Armor of Light||

earnest swallow
maiden estuary
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I uh seem to be stuck on 99% on the compendium

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Even though the entire compendium is filled already

earnest swallow
maiden estuary
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Welp I’m gonna guess there’s something in new game plus

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||and already have Orpheus Telussy||

maiden estuary
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||Well I am at the promised day and uh…I lost embarrassingly a billion times to Elizabeth. I might just quit and just finish the game…||

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||I only manage to get neat 10k, close to about 8k before I get wiped by Sigmadolaon||

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||There’s always NG+||

gloomy sorrel
empty socket
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What do you folks hear? @maiden estuary @earnest swallow @earnest ravine

triple or super brown cow / brown meow

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or jump around now which is more reasonable I guess

earnest swallow
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Chicken brown now

dull tundra
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Explanation pls

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I'm confused

earnest swallow
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What do you hear?

dull tundra
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Oh

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...Triple Brown Meow, I think

earnest ravine
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thank you Aigis, very cool

maiden estuary
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Wholesome Aigis fluff

snow kelp
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gloomy sorrel
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I LOVE HIM

gloomy sorrel
gloomy sorrel
maiden estuary
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Finally, time to play a real Shin Megami Tensei game

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Yes I know I could’ve played Soul Hackers 2 maybe but hav won’t heard good things at all

maiden estuary
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Cu Chulainn my beloved

earnest swallow
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It's funny to see the people who only played persona 5 reach the end of 3 reload blind

alpine tusk
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Some of the Persona 1 music goes pretty hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVGRqtWn28

Persona (PSP) ost - A Lone Prayer [Extended]

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earnest swallow
molten schooner
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IT HAPPENED AGAIN?!

sand minnowBOT
earnest swallow
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He's still weak to strike

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So pensivecowboybread

maiden estuary
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Oh right the sorta simplified melee buffs Arahabaki

earnest swallow
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Til the song is longer than 20 seconds

maiden estuary
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Zodiac signs are whatever so what’s your favourite SMT demon type

gloomy sorrel
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@random patrol @long bloom

random patrol
earnest swallow
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Got reminded this exists

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You dont hear about it too often, then tbf, it's trying to compete with burn my dread

alpine tusk
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Nanako is around 20 years old this year. I think I'm gonna need to lie down for a bit. Dread

maiden estuary
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Just a random question that has been bothering me a bit

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What is the proper pronunciation for Megidolaon

earnest swallow
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Meh-gee-doh-lah-on

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With the "lah" being the stressed sylable

maiden estuary
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Thank you, have Pixie vibing

snow kelp
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Been awhile, got to September in Persona 3 Reload and wanted to give an update:

Game Good

snow kelp
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Got to 11/4 In Persona 3 Reload

Game AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

molten schooner
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there's something fun in "pixie is demifiend's actual ace"

snow kelp
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Just got to December in P3R

This is one of the best games I have ever played

earnest ravine
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WHAT

maiden estuary
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WE CAN’T ESCAPE THE FORTNITE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

maiden estuary
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Persona 3 Reload: The Answer confirmed

snow kelp
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Persona 3 Spoilers (Duh)

earnest swallow
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Oh boy

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Time to see the community tearing itself to shreds

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Again

alpine tusk
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RIP, have to wait for September, huh? pain

earnest swallow
gloomy sorrel
earnest swallow
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Huh

snow kelp
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"Let's be real here, we already know the fans are gonna do it for us"

alpine tusk
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True LMAO. Though it'll be a hell of alot tougher to animate all the new actions the female route does. Pain

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But the new UI is a nice step forward...though her portrait looked slightly cross eyed for some reason:

gloomy sorrel
long bloom
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Why is the intro so high quality

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This is mostly correct having grown up with one but

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The intro sounds way too fucking clean

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Voice clips that loud would be distorted beyond belief

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The chorus has the same issue???

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Like did they just

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Not distort the female voices as bad as they did the male for some reason?

gloomy sorrel
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Okay I'm glad you were thinking that too, but I also found the effort respectable

long bloom
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My go-to on how GBA voice clips should sound is the GBA version of Tony Hawk’s American Sk8land

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Everyone is crusty lol

earnest swallow
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I dont know if this is actually funny or if my sense oh humor is just beyond saving

maiden estuary
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A bit of a Nocturne question

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Would y’all consider Matador a well-designed boss or a badly designed boss?

earnest swallow
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Well designed

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It's meant to teach you the game's mechanics and that you can't brute force your way throught the game

maiden estuary
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And iirc there’s some really nice Demons available at the time to help too

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Ame no Uzume, Nozuchi, etc.

gloomy sorrel
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Posting here too but:
SMT ttrpg
#1022912100185677955 message

earnest ravine
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yo?

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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based

maiden estuary
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Rangda do be the true mf that reflects physical

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Also Valkyrie in the promo material, love to see her fluff

gloomy sorrel
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Also since one of the playable classes is being a demon

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You can make an all Jack Bros party

maiden estuary
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HEE-HO!

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Led by the baddest Frost of them all, ho!

gloomy sorrel
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Hee's so real for that

maiden estuary
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Jack’s gender identi-hee

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Cool take on Pixie

earnest swallow
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So the expansion pass for p3r is out for purchase

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35$, not included in the special editions

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You cannot buy the waves separately, you always have to buy the ost packs if you want to play the answer

earnest swallow
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@earnest ravine out of curiosity, what is your favorite ending of each smt game?

earnest ravine
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I guess true demon ending, for Nocturne?

earnest swallow
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I see

maiden estuary
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I fond the Reason pf Yosuga incredibly funny

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Also shoutout to the Strange Journey Redux Neutral Ending

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Also love the picture of Oni in the TTRPG book

earnest swallow
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Unironically great mashup

gloomy sorrel
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@random patrol @long bloom

random patrol
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Lmao

maiden estuary
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Based Elizabeth

earnest ravine
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I hope with the P4 remake they let us romance Yosuke

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like PLEASE Atlus do this for me and I will become the Ultimate Atlus Fan

dull tundra
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Gods if Yosuke becomes romanceable I'm going to ascend

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They will not be able to contain me, I will be nigh unbearable with my hype

earnest ravine
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and I can't believe I'm saying this

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but keep Yuri Lowenthal for Yosuke

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keep him

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no one else has to stay, just him

gloomy sorrel
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if the inevitable p4 remake doesn't have a yosuke romance, Atlus isn't beating the homophobia allegations

random patrol
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I dunno why anyone would want to date Yosuke tbh

gloomy sorrel
earnest swallow
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Purple ovven

random patrol
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I am no longer UNOvven

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I am the UNOvverlord

earnest swallow
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I thought you were gonna say DOSvven

random patrol
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I have never made that particular joke

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It is beneath me

earnest swallow
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No one is above shitty puns

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Sorry to tell you

earnest ravine
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have you SEEN him?

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his lips probably taste like cherry my guy

earnest swallow
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Didnt yosuke place second in a p4 popularity poll in japan?

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Losing only to yu

random patrol
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But Yosuke is a jerk

dull tundra
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Listen, Yosuke social link goes MILES

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In the main story he gets hit with what I call the Pervert Bat by atlus (it happened to Ryuji too) and P4AU doubles down on it

gloomy sorrel
long bloom
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GODDAMNIT

random patrol
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Fuck you >:[

gloomy sorrel
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I think the lilith redesign is worse thogh

snow kelp
earnest swallow
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Man i love the P2 camera so much

maiden estuary
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mah boi Zouchouten

alpine tusk
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I have to ask: is that new Persona 5 X Gacha game gonna have romance or even social links in it?

random patrol
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@long bloom

earnest ravine
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WE

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ARE

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SO

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BACK

maiden estuary
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OH SHIT

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OH SHIT!

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OH SHIT!

gloomy sorrel
alpine tusk
gloomy sorrel
gloomy sorrel
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@random patrol psychostick's least favorite demon

maiden estuary
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Love the little guy on the top left fluff

snow kelp
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I hate my friend

maiden estuary
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War criminal

alpine tusk
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Hooo boi~

gloomy sorrel
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A super galaxy brain comm1sh for @karin_mag1
Nahobino and Evolt Black Hole are my fav characters so drawing them both is rly such a blast!
#真・女神転生VV #SMTV #仮面ライダービルド

『Kamen Rider x Shin Megami Tensei』
Commissioned by: @karin_mag1

earnest ravine
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lol

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that's great

gloomy sorrel
earnest swallow
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He's Louis, lucifer's human form (usually)

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He mainly shows up in smt 1 and 2's chaos paths

gloomy sorrel
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OH

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IT IS LUCIFER

maiden estuary
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Oh so one of Lucifer’s disguises!

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Like ||Hikaru in IV and Louisa in Strange Journey||

maiden estuary
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I wonder if Xander Mobus will reprise the role of Dagda for SMTVV

earnest swallow
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SMT Voiceless Voice PauseChamp

maiden estuary
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Into the grinder with you

earnest swallow
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The db grinder you say? PauseChamp

gloomy sorrel
dull tundra
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Persona 4 Nanako Doll mod

dull tundra
alpine tusk
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Our Light will never fail to make me tear up.

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🥹

woven acorn
earnest ravine
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realistically, when P4 gets its remake, what are the chances we actually get a homosexual SL with Yosuke?

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I understand it's somewhere between "when pigs fly" and "when hell freezes over" but I was thinking about some of Sega's other properties and, considering it's a different climate nowadays, it'd be sick if they did that

dull tundra
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If it was confirmed I would preorder the deluxe edition

earnest ravine
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if it was confirmed I would buy out every copy for every platform

dull tundra
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🤝

earnest ravine
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it's amazing how I don't even care about Persona 4 that much in the grand scheme of things but Yosuke makes my brain tick

dull tundra
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It scratches the same itch in my soul as Jojo Part 4, Zexal, and Durarara

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Yosuke is one of my favorite parts, though

earnest ravine
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Yosuke being a closeted homo with lots of internalized homophobia during a period in history with a lot of that being institutionalized and programmed into some of our culture really ties it all together and makes such a painfully relatable character

gloomy sorrel
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Yeah it's the one thing I want the p4 remake to have, because it just makes so much sense when you realise Yosuke is just a closeted bi man

earnest ravine
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the only trade-off is they're gonna have to tackle Kanji and Naoto

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but I think if they have a gay Yosuke SL it'll be fine

gloomy sorrel
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I mean, the Kanji/Naoto discourse is mostly people being idiots tbh

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But also

Make those two dorks canon smh

woven acorn
azure wharf
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I hope the p4 remake makes the dungeons more interesting to walk through

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my one biggest gripe gameplay wise is just

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its all hallways

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at least tartarus and mememotos has an interesting foredrop and varied scenery

woven acorn
maiden estuary
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I wonder if they could manage to out-do peak with the music for ||Heaven|| and ||Magatsu Inaba||

earnest swallow
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oh yea, i wanted to post the guy who literally carried me the entire playthrough

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fused him back in ||madarame's|| palace

woven acorn
earnest ravine
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finally ready to replay P4G

azure wharf
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I'll face myself fix?

gloomy sorrel
azure wharf
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Ah how common are we talking

earnest ravine
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the audio track will skip and it gaslights you into thinking it's a PC issue

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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not "common"

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every time the track played lol

azure wharf
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Huh

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I can't say I ever ran into that

earnest ravine
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it is very subtle

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here

earnest ravine
gloomy sorrel
maiden estuary
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I wonder if more have memed Arahabaki being the mf who wins by doing absolutely nothing

woven acorn
random patrol
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@gloomy sorrel @long bloom

gloomy sorrel
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already saw it

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have this tho

snow kelp
earnest swallow
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Oh shit

azure wharf
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me who is only missing persona 5 r

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but also already spoiled myself on the whole game

azure wharf
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Animation and Lead storyboarder: @Neptune_1313
3D Animation @zeonyph
Additional Storyboards: @zeonyph & Tiny Tango
Composer: Merfie
Arrangement & Mastering: @_mosq
Vocals @xUnreachablee & @Neptune_1313
Lyrics: @Neptune_1313

Lyrics:

Moonlight, passes you…
Fades it all from view
All that, midnight blue...
Becomes a memory of you.

Your shad...

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alpine tusk
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Apparently "Don't" and "Heartful Cry" are finally uploaded on YouTube.

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God damn is "Don't"'s lyrics depressing.

maiden estuary
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Reminds me I should probably do a playthrough of P3R before Episode Aigis

snow kelp
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Happy 59th Birthday

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(in Japan at least)

earnest swallow
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PERSONA 1 REPRESENTATION LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

snow kelp
alpine tusk
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Timey wimey stuff. Noko_Wink

woven acorn
alpine tusk
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Man, the forward-facing portraits in Persona 3 gives off such an energy because you don't see it so often.

maiden estuary
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I know with Agrat being considered the best Qadistu to use for the party of the 4 what would is considered the best of the Qadistu essences. I’m guessing either Naamah for the resistances as a kinda bootleg Demi-Fiend essence or Eisheth for having so many nice skills for a Phys oriented Nahobino or demon

earnest ravine
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just listened to this

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oh my God it';s so peak

earnest ravine
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hot take: P3R's new songs are better than all of P5's OST

dull tundra
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Lost, looking for the answer.

Take the first step into Episode Aigis - The Answer - with the brand-new opening movie, accompanied by Ryota Kozuka’s new track, “Dissonance!”

Buy the Persona 3 Reload: Expansion Pass now: https://atlus.link/P3R-EP

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dull tundra
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OMG

earnest ravine
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Episode Aigis is out NOW

maiden estuary
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So how is Episode Aigis so far, those who have played it already?

earnest ravine
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I've yet to get to it

earnest swallow
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||Jonkler starts the battle by using sinful shell twice||

earnest ravine
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alright I'll get to it

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first I should beat P3R as a primer

dull tundra
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do you not need to beat P3R for Episode Aigis?

earnest swallow
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You could go straight into the answer in fes

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I would be surprised if they changed it

earnest ravine
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you don't need to beat P3R for the Answer yeah

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but I'm just doing it to get it fresh on my mind

alpine tusk
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Time to boogie with Darkness -reload- OST. TriDance

woven acorn
earnest ravine
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Y

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YOOOOOOOOOO

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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

earnest swallow
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WE'RE SO BACK

snow kelp
earnest swallow
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... tf2?

earnest ravine
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do you guys know if there's a full version of the Persona 3 japanese box art I can find

earnest swallow
woven acorn
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guys since this isnt the normal metaverse and none of sees changed outfits do you think ren went out of his way to dress up as joker so he could look cool while he beats the shit out of mourning teenagers

【QRT of perso…

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earnest ravine
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speaking of ||Persona 5||

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||how did Akechi die? wouldn't he know the guns that everyone had weren't real?||

woven acorn
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||He got killed by his shadow version, no? Idt knowing that his gun isnt real when shido is the one making the shadows & the rules||

earnest ravine
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||but doesn't Shido not know how the Metaverse works?||

woven acorn
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||He got killed by essentially a construct made from shido viewing him as "the guy who kills people for me". No reason why that would have a fake gun||

earnest ravine
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||but the way Morgana explained it to us, it felt more like the Shadows believing the guns are real in-turn makes them essentially real in the Metaverse||

earnest swallow
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||Knowning that the guns are fake doesnt make them useless against you, both akechi's and sumire's attacks are able to damage the phantom thieves, and the thieves' weapons can damage both them and maruki||

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||notably shadow akechi's gun isnt the tokusatsu fakeass gun regular akechi uses, just a regular one, so even if they did become useless, fakechi probably isnt using a model one||

maiden estuary
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Spoiler free, how is Episode Aigis? Don’t know if I’ll start it today or do a replay of P3R first

gloomy sorrel
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Well a friend of mine complained today it's worse than the original it's based on

alpine tusk
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Apparently super grindy like the original.

earnest swallow
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"Play a real sheen megoomi tansei game" - Atlus, moments before releasing the expansion

gloomy sorrel
dull tundra
woven acorn
dull tundra
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Ya BE

alpine tusk
maiden estuary
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hoo boy

earnest ravine
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The Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Digital Deluxe Edition includes:• Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Base Game • DLC Content - Mitama Dance of Wealth • DLC Content - Mitama Dance of EXP • DLC Content - Mitama Dance of Miracles • Demon Subquest - Sakura Cinders of the East • Demon Subquest - Holy Will and Profane Dissent Experience two complete ...

Price

$41.99

Recommendations

3776

Metacritic

90

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earnest ravine
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uh

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what the fuck

gloomy sorrel
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The fuck

earnest ravine
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the full game is like

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90 gigs btw

gloomy sorrel
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I'm NOT hearing good shit about the story

earnest ravine
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is it that classic hashino homophobia?

gloomy sorrel
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From the way I hear people talk about it, it feels like ||baby's first racism bad story. Like it's written by a teenager||

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Gameplay is apparently great tho

earnest ravine
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well at least it's saying ||racism is bad||

gloomy sorrel
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Yeah

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It tries

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At the least it's not homophobia is funny

maiden estuary
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Yeah as far as I’m aware they’ve been a good deal better about LGBT stuff in recent years, bless

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Like removing the transphobic bit from the Yakushima section in P3R

earnest swallow
dull tundra
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That's not actually life-size, is it?

earnest swallow
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IT IS

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You can see the scale on the picture itself

dull tundra
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why

earnest ravine
gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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I like how Persona protagonists versus SMT protagonists basically just boils down to Aigis versus every SMT protagonist

earnest swallow
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I thought it just boiled down to "whatever the universe arcana actually does" vs every smt protag

gloomy sorrel
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Demifiend will somehow still win

earnest ravine
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demifiend and nahobino versus aigis would be pretty fun to watch

earnest ravine
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gonna play through it sometime

gloomy sorrel
woven acorn
earnest ravine
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@earnest swallow what are your thoughts on philemon not being in P5 because he just did not wanna put up with that game's bullshit

earnest swallow
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I feel like that has been the case since p3

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Dude never got over tatsuya punching him

earnest ravine
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nah, he's been in P3 and P4 as the blue butterflies

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but in P5 the butterfly is actually Lavenza

earnest swallow
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Indirectly, yea fair enough

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Honestly thinking about it

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Its surprising he just let the velvet room be taken over

earnest ravine
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it's that in combination with the fact that they cut the 'Shin Megami Tensei' subtitle from Persona 5's game cover that really makes me think they just really did not care about the rest of the series

earnest swallow
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Could see that

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I think they just didnt want to hold the baggage of the previous titles

earnest ravine
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which is probably why they cut adult/teenager Nanako, which I guess is fair

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but then they have stuff like referencing Adachi and Naoto which is weird

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oh and Tanaka, obviously

earnest swallow
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We did also have the giant rise poster too

gloomy sorrel
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persona 6 better have Nanako NyanGun

earnest ravine
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nah, Persona 6 better have an adult Yosuke who's become comfortable with his bisexuality

earnest swallow
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Honestly if they do anything relevant that's directly tied to the past games i'm happy with

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If anything i commend trinity soul for just straight up putting akihiko as part of the supporting cast and not just name dropping him or something

earnest ravine
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yeah they need to do that more often

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that being said because Persona 5 completely fumbled the bag with paying any sort of homage to the previous games beyond easter eggs people posted on Reddit week 1 of the game coming out for upvotes, I doubt Persona 6 will be any different

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which is a shame because Persona 3 and 4's casts were very compelling and had me hooked until the end of the playthroughs, to the point where I played Persona 4 Arena for the story just to see what comes next for them

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while Persona 5's cast had me playing through just to have it end

earnest swallow
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The main fault that the p5 cast has imo is that they just dont interact without joker being there as a middleman

earnest ravine
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THANK YOU

earnest swallow
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The thieves den kinda tries to alleviate that but those and the mementos dialogue is just fluff

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Nothing really comes from those unlike p4's events where the IT just hang around

earnest ravine
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I mean hell the first 3 party members you meet in P4 are literally in their own friendgroup

gloomy sorrel
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Kanji mentions Rise supporting his hobby of making plushies

earnest swallow
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The small things like that are unironically why teddie "thrives" where morgana falters

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Read thrives as: people hate him less

earnest ravine
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people hate Teddie?

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I loved that guy

earnest swallow
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A big chunk of the community do

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I think he's fine tbh

earnest ravine
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he's a proper level of annoying and the party member responds to that properly

earnest swallow
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Yea

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He's kinda annoying and that's by design, i respect that

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Meanwhile you're meant to feel pity of morgana during the haru arc

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Which falls flat

earnest ravine
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and Morgana since frame 1 has been nothing but condescending and arrogant to both you and Ryuji

earnest swallow
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Yea he makes it clear he's probably ditching the group after you handle kamoshida

earnest ravine
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also, Nanako > Futaba and it's not close

earnest swallow
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I dont think its even fair to put them in the same group

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Their similarities are pretty shallow

earnest ravine
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they have the whole dual social link/confidant and palace/dungeon shtick going, the games treat them pretty similarly

earnest swallow
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I think that's closer to futaba's palace being closer to p4 rather than nanako specifically

earnest ravine
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well I also think their actual stories are similar in pretty significant ways

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yet contrast in many others

earnest swallow
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Fair i suppose

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One hill i'll die on tho

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Dojima > sojiro

earnest ravine
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not even close

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there's really not a character P5 does better than P4

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it's all severe magnitudes worse

earnest swallow
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That's wrong

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Tanaka with sunglasses>>>>>>>> P4 Tanaka

earnest ravine
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ANATA NO

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TEREBI NI

earnest swallow
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JIKA NETTO TANAKAAAAAA

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MI N NA NO YOKU NO TOMO

snow kelp
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Persona 5 and 3R are on sale

alpine tusk
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56 bucks for 3R is...nah, I'll wait for a better discount. 😔

maiden estuary
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Man the new SMTVV demon is cool as hell

neon ginkgo
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Persona 3 reload was so flippin goated

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No joke

empty socket
woven acorn
dull tundra
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Naoto is so real for that

woven acorn
earnest swallow
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TW: Mid

earnest ravine
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hey fuck you it's better than the rancid dogshit that came before it

dull tundra
earnest ravine
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is this official or from a doujin

maiden estuary
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Ph right that fight in Yosuke’s social link

dull tundra
snow kelp
gloomy sorrel
woven acorn
woven acorn
earnest swallow
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I mean

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If you never interacted with vanilla p5 and went straight to royal

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I could see it

stuck nova
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I'm finally getting around to Labrynith. Not bad really.

dull tundra
woven acorn
woven acorn
gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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this is what true love is

dull tundra
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The good ending fixed my heart PeepoLove

gloomy sorrel
dull tundra
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She lives in you, she lives in me

earnest ravine
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he also has naoto

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riiiiiiight

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🫵

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there

gloomy sorrel
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In his heart?

earnest ravine
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in his lungs

earnest ravine
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AWWWWWWWWWWW SHIEEEEEEEET

earnest ravine
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incorrect buzzer

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I, personally, love persona 4

dull tundra
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There's nothing that says a fake can't beat the original, as far as I'm concerned

earnest ravine
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here's also my persona 3 SEES member tier list

earnest swallow
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Ken in top 3 is surprising

earnest ravine
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ken and koromaru I consider the same spot tbh

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so Akihiko is number 4

earnest swallow
earnest ravine
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A LOT

earnest swallow
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I see

maiden estuary
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Koromaru is just in the list of best ficitional good boyes

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Like Dogmeat and Rex from the Fallout franchise

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Truly a good boye right here, Dogmeat

earnest ravine
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God I love Aigis

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genuinely my favorite character in this entire franchise

woven acorn
gloomy sorrel
maiden estuary
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Dear god…

gloomy sorrel
woven acorn
gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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it should've been yosuke in one of the seats

gloomy sorrel
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That'd have been less psychic damage

maiden estuary
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Did not need that Megidolaon to my psyche

earnest ravine
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P4 spoilers obviously

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but man I can't wait for this scene in the remake

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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LET'S

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GO

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PLEASE ATLUS

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I BEG OF YOU

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CHANGE NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME BUT GIVE US A YOSUKE ROMANCE

gloomy sorrel
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TRUE

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Tbh I do hope it has some golden content

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Like it'd feel weird if there 0 golden content

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But I do hope it leans closer to tbe original moodier aesthetic

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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you can now date Ryotaro

earnest ravine
earnest ravine
earnest ravine
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adachi my beloved

gloomy sorrel
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Unironically I like how the anime (think it was golden specifically?) expanded on Adachi's relation with the dojimas

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And how he was SO jealous of Yu

earnest ravine
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he just wanted to be nanako's second dad

gloomy sorrel
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you know I saw a comment that it'd be funny if Aika became a social link in P4R

gloomy sorrel
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(I think she shouldn't be a SL, but it'd be neat if she was actually in it)

tiny hazel
gloomy sorrel
woven acorn
gloomy sorrel
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Raidou real

earnest swallow
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No excuse to not play peak now gunL fluff

maiden estuary
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Raidou things happen?

earnest swallow
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Remaster for the first game coming to switch

maiden estuary
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Neat!

tiny hazel
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nice that they haven't forgotten about first one

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I do wonder does this mean that remaking 2nd game is also possible in future

gloomy sorrel
woven acorn
woven acorn
random patrol
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@solemn vigil

snow kelp
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English version of the game coming in May

earnest ravine
maiden estuary
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How fun are the gameplay of the Raidou games?

woven acorn
snow kelp
earnest swallow
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i was so hyped for a possible arena game until i saw the owl emoji

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🛌

alpine tusk
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I can finally become Willy Wonka in Persona! Noko_Yay

snow kelp
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in ~16 hours

alpine tusk
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They couldn't have thought up of a cooler declaration to steal hearts? Smh

earnest ravine
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I still don't get Royal's ending

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||is Akechi still alive or not||

earnest swallow
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||presumed that yes and he turned himself in, due to the train scene||

earnest ravine
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||hope they bring him back||

snow kelp
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up to viewer interpretation

woven acorn
earnest ravine
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I feel kinda dumb

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I just found out ||you could save chidori||

earnest ravine
woven acorn
gloomy sorrel
gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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FUCK

tiny hazel
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I hope that at least they got Troy Baker back

earnest ravine
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wait this just confirmed the P4 remake

dull tundra
gloomy sorrel
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Imma be honest, Atlus is probably just being cheap or maybe being anti union or some shit

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If I had to guess

tiny hazel
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that is more than likely

earnest swallow
tiny hazel
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if you think about there was once time when Yuri Lowenthal was every were

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he even voiced best Tales MC

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one who's name was also Yuri

woven acorn
maiden estuary
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Really is some Yosuke shit right there

dull tundra
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Aaand it’s deleted

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Welp

maiden estuary
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Already waiting for the outrage bait on it. Since he might still be in it for all we know

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Reload did have several of the original party VA’s come back, just for different roles

alpine tusk
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So they're sticking with different VAs for doing remakes?

woven acorn
earnest ravine
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man

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I've lost all interest in the remake now

tiny hazel
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same

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no OG cast, no buy

earnest swallow
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I just realized they'll also recast dojima and adachi

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This sucks

earnest ravine
earnest swallow
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The fact that they're doing it in appearance order is a bit sus

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Pr stunt?

dull tundra
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Yeah, NGL I think it is lol

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Either that or the VAs have a lot of solidarity and don't give a darn about losing goodwill with Atlus

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I could be wrong, and I'd accept graciously if so

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But all three back to back like this, three days in a row at that...

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Maybe I'm crazy

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This isn't exactly the best way to drum up hype, unless you're having all of them lie for a reveal on MCU level hype

gloomy sorrel
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I'm betting on a company being bad rather than it being a PR stunt

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It's very likely a case of solidarity

woven acorn
maiden estuary
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Finally getting Nocturne

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Feel like I’m about to get myself ripped a new one lmao

maiden estuary
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Also I know that Matador is the most famous for their difficulty of the Fiends but who is actually the toughest?

stuck nova
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matador's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, honestly

White Rider was one that nearly made me lose it

maiden estuary
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Mostly just gotta be prepared with Matador or just any SMT boss for that matter

stuck nova
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probably one of the worst is that one filler boss because there's only one way to hit him effectively at all, he nulls everything else and it's a super long dungeon with no easy points to just go back since he's technically a mid boss

earnest ravine
maiden estuary
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Nocturne’s been fun so far. Might go on hard or maybe start it on hard instead for a bit pain challenge?

earnest ravine
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@earnest swallow @gloomy sorrel you think the dungeons are getting a redesign?

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I would personally like a less randomly-generated experience tbh

earnest swallow
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I think so yea

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However idt they are doing palaces

earnest ravine
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I wouldn't want palaces personally but I would like for each dungeon to be a bit more unique

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more unique than tartarus for example

earnest swallow
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Yea i think a midway point is good

gloomy sorrel
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Yeah that's fine by me

earnest swallow
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I do wonder what they'll change in the combat department

gloomy sorrel
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I mean, I imagine they'll remove the whole "only active members get xp"

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that way you can actually have everyone

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I'm hoping they nerf rise tho

earnest swallow
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That would require atlus to care about difficulty in a persona game

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I'm just praying that whatever they add isnt on the same level of theurgy

gloomy sorrel
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I can't wait for them to make Marie DLC

earnest ravine
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if they make golden dlc they will all die

earnest ravine
gloomy sorrel
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I mean what else would you make the DLC

earnest swallow
gloomy sorrel
random patrol
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Joker baby

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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you know what I hope they do?

earnest swallow
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Honestly yea sure

gloomy sorrel
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But also persona 4 remake has one thing it needs to do

earnest ravine
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I hope they make magatsu izanagi ACTUALLY GOOD

earnest swallow
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Throw narukami in a time loop while at it

gloomy sorrel
earnest ravine
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magatsu izanagi was so ass in p4g

gloomy sorrel
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STOP BEING COWARDS ATLUS

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EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S BI

earnest ravine
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PLEASE LET ME DATE HIM

gloomy sorrel
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let yosuke out of the fucking closet

earnest swallow
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I'm so excited for one more decade of naoto discourse chat

gloomy sorrel
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also the kanji sexuality discourse

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don't forget that

earnest swallow
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Those 2 go hand in hand

earnest ravine
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kanji's character arc is very independent of his sexuality so I'm fine with him being gay

earnest swallow
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Oh yea cant forget the posts of ppl posting the naoto romance route screenshots just to say they cucked kanji

gloomy sorrel
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Dawg, Twitter is already insufferable about them

earnest ravine
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naoto being trans is a bit diametrically opposed but eh

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I always date naoto because she's cool

gloomy sorrel
gloomy sorrel
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Although it's funny that

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nobody ever talks about cucking Kou

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when you date Chie

earnest swallow
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They should let ME date kou tbh

earnest ravine
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the only cucking I've ever done willingly is date ann

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fuck you morgana

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I just like naoto the most out of the girls

gloomy sorrel
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in my playthrough I didn't date any of the party members lmao

earnest swallow
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WE BELIEVE IN AI EBIHARA SUPREMACY

gloomy sorrel
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I went for Yumi

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I didn't do the ai social link and regret it when I watched the anime

dull tundra
gloomy sorrel
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she's so fucking great

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Honestly, I hope to see a little more ig... interactibility between random characters if that makes sense?

earnest swallow
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Yea

random patrol
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I think Naoto is the correct choice in P4 nyaruhodo

dull tundra
earnest ravine
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I always felt P4 had the best main cast tbh

gloomy sorrel
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Like, say Yosuke interacting with Naoki

earnest ravine
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I love all of them

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but yeah make Yosuke dateable

earnest swallow
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The fact that inaba was small enough that every townsfolk was in the loop was rlly good

dull tundra
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Lots of extra scenarios where multiple team members got dragged in by natural proximity

gloomy sorrel
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Yeah I did like that

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Hell, I liked how in the golden anime they dragged Marie into events she wasn't there

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because it really fleshed her out as a friend to the investigation theme

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Like you had random events like that in golden too

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like say you went out of town with daisuke and kou you could run into chie and yukiko in one iirc

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But more stuff like this

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would be nice

earnest swallow
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Honestly can we just use the anime as the base for the game period?

gloomy sorrel
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anime as the base for the anime period

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agreed

earnest swallow
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I dont want to play baseball like in p5r i wanna talk to the beef bowl shop lady

gloomy sorrel
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And ik it's a persona thing, but it always bothers me how if you do date someone, the story basically... ignores that in 4. So you get Rise flirting with you even if you were dating anyone else

earnest swallow
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Or when you're dating rise herself

gloomy sorrel
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Yeah

earnest swallow
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

gloomy sorrel
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Also it makes the golden bit with Marie and Rise fighting over the protag silly

earnest ravine
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yeah that's whatever

gloomy sorrel
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I just really want yin yang

earnest swallow
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Also hoping they flesh out margaret more

earnest ravine
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I understand it'd be a lot of effort for something not a lot of people really care about

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yin yang is not on spotify btw

gloomy sorrel
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I KNOW

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AND IT PISSES ME OFF

earnest ravine
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NONONONO

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YESYESYESYES

gloomy sorrel
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I also wonder if they'll flesh out Izanami or if she's gonna remain just a twist

earnest swallow
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I think the fact you only talk to her once is somewhat important

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Same with namatame not showing up before when he does

gloomy sorrel
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honestly though I bet that if they add anything from the anime

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it's Aika

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probably with some kind of delivery mechanic

earnest swallow
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Honestly the worst part is that the games cant exactly flesh out narukami himself with the anime content

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Without feeling really clunky

gloomy sorrel
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Yeahhhh

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shame because

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shadow yu

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would go hard

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also ofc

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king's game

earnest swallow
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King's game could just be a ng+ thing ig

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Like, an extra dialogue option locked behind a social stat

gloomy sorrel
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including the mass destruction

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ofc

earnest swallow
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Honestly more p3 cameos in the tatsumi port segment would be nice

gloomy sorrel
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also please, I hope the game like... tones down some of the worse parts

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like "haha, you see this girl is ugly and fat"

earnest swallow
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They'll prob do that

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I just hope its on the same level as "the sun is fake, buy this 98k yen sunscreen"

gloomy sorrel
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also maybe remove the implication that you can fuck the nurse depending on the choices you make

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like Margaret

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wat the fuck

earnest swallow
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Make it entertaining

gloomy sorrel
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as long as we get mystery food x

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but tbh I don't mind if Yosuke is being homophobic or the Kanji getting the shit beat out of him latter because it's funny

Former if they make Yosuke out of the damn closet

earnest swallow
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Yea the scene itself aint exactly bad with the context of the scrapped romance route

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But as it stands it's so bad that you can just post this sprite and people immediately know what you're talking about

gloomy sorrel
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lmaooo

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tbh I'd rather have them keep it with the context of the original intent. But if they aren't gonna do that, fine remove it

earnest swallow
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Same boat here