I think I'm just coming to the hard conclusion that I need to get less depressed if I am gonna do that again
#Pokemon TCG
final musk
opaque pelican
Hope things go better for you soon, Gimmick.
little falcon
dang nice art on it
digital peak
basically lethal if your opponent is about to win (and you are at 2 left)
sage acorn
is Noah Sawyer playing a Single Strike Lugia Deck?
opaque pelican
Thoughts here:
Iron Hands ex: Eh. Not really all that fantastic. Taking extra prize cards with it's big attack is funny, but really only would come into play for swatting down something with much less HP, like something without a rule box. Fine, but not a real winner.
Slither Wing: Bleh. Most part it looks like just filler for Ancients. Pass.
Sandy Shocks ex: The comback capabilities of this aren't very helpful considering it can't keep using it's one attack it has. Pass.
Iron Jugulis: Oh-hohoho, ok, this is just terrible. a whopping 5 energy just to use it's second attack, which isn't that great to begin with, but wait! If you have the Boost Energy Capsule attached, it... requires only 3 energy to do. 170 damage for all that is pretty impressive for a basic mon that doesn't have a rulebox, but even that can't salvage it.
The Future Boost Energy Capsule, speaking of, does a pretty neat job. With this, a deck around Future cards is pretty doable, since it does a lot of neat things; chief among them giving an alright damage bonus and requiring no retreat cost paid for whatever it's attached to. Pretty cool stuff. This as I figured would work well with Iron Valiant ex, but as for everything else, it'll have to wait and see.
Professor Sada’s Determination: Pretty great. Though, given there's gonna be a good bit of type differences means it might be slightly awkward, given this specifies basic energy.
Earth Vessel: It's an ancient card, yeah but it's actually generic, which is super nice.
Professor Turo’s Scenario: Literally just scoop-up net. Which, is alright, I guess but this being a supporter does dock it some usability
Techno Radar: The real winner for future cards. 2 of any Future Pokémon is very good. With this, you don't exactly need cards like Ultra Ball. Though, admittedly having a few for other choices in a deck is a must.
Mela: Similar to Blacksmith from Flashfire. So really, whatever you can say about that also applies here.
And Tulip is... interesting. I would say it's great but the top deck using a bunch of psychic-types either doesn't fully relies on them or is better off keeping basic psychic energy in the discard pile. It's one to keep in mind for now, since it's effect is still pretty nice.
So yeah, pretty cool reveals. The theming each of these Ancient and Future cards has is... admittedly all over the place, though no doubt there's gonna be more on the way.
Also, expect something related to The Teal Mask coming soon to the TCG
runic kiln
How big of a must-have did Pidgeot end up being?
final musk
How big of a must-have did Pidgeot end up being?
Pretty much ended up being a win-more card in Chien Pao and Bibarel is still usually better for that deck. Charizard isn't that good rn but that deck might play Pidgeot just because it needs all it can get and dies less to a late Path+Iono.
Highest placing Charizard at Pitt was 59th
Lost Box Kyogre Won
Miraidon got 2nd and 6th
Mew got 3rd
Lugia got 4th and 8th
Lost Tina got 5th
Chien Pao got 7th
Turbo Lost Box's best placement was 10th
Gardevoir's best placement was 11th
Colorless Lugia's best placement was 24th
Rapid Strike's best placement was 46th
The only decks in the metagame Charizard did better than were pure Arceus and Palkia, which didn't make top 64.
And not by much either, because Charizard's next best placement was 96th
sage acorn
that miraidon player got the bad match up in finals feels bad
sage acorn
is it just me or are the new tins smaller
opaque pelican
sage acorn
opaque pelican
You know, with Pidgeot ex being a retreat of the FRLG Pidgeot, there's one other card I'd love to have get the ex treatment
This friendo
Memory serves, this card cemented itself as a staple in a loooot of decks due to that ability Poké-Power. Attack was pretty alright too, but that wasn't it's primary purpose when you were throwing out energy to draw a lot of cards.
Essentially was akin to Radiant Greninja today, except you had more cards to work with for the cost and... for whatever reason you can choose to draw less than 3. Dunno why you'd want to do that, but it's something you could do...?
Blaziken (RS) worked off this very well; toss out your Fire energy with Delcatty, and slap it back with Blaziken.
opaque pelican
There's not been much Gym Leaders that have had an impact as Larry has, that is certain
opaque pelican
I just realized that Altaria (OBS) has some attack that makes it so your opponent has to flip 2 coins to break out of sleep
I was about to scheme up a GLC deck but I realized: Swablu is colorless. This is dragon.
I'm upset.
little falcon
Also Ren I don't think plays the TCG, but this is still a p neat find
He doesn’t I just like to mess with him lol
But yeah been looking for it for a min. Someone finally had it so I had to get it
hot prawn
dont ping me here
runic kiln
@hot prawn 
opaque pelican
Let's pester Ray to make an entry
final musk
Raging Surf cards are up on pokemon Japan's website
so far most of what hasn't been revealed are pretty boring
This one's aight
first attack: CC for 30: If Klawf is inflicted with a status condition, hits +160
Return of 11th Hour Tackle
Second attack: 90+; If the user's deck is at 3 cards or less, +150 damage
This is literally the only ex that wasn't revealed prior
First attack: 30+; if your pokemon wasn knocked out during your opponent's previous turn, +90 damage and paralyze the opponent's pokemon.
Second attack: 180; discard 1 energy from this pokemon
That's literally all I could dig up that wasn't already revealed in the set prior of any interest
overall, set's pretty underwhelming
opaque pelican
Ayyy Tapu Koko
opaque pelican
ok wow that's a lot of damage for an easy to meet condition
I can see some gimmicks with this a deck around Clodsire ex or Brute Bonnet
final musk
Actually yeah curry works too
opaque pelican
Literally the only use so far I thought of for it
final musk
Best cards in Raging Surf are essentially:
- Garchomp ex: Fighting type acceleration, still pretty slow for powering stuff up. Itself is pretty decent, albeit electric weakness kinda sucks rn.
- Jirachi: Sableye Counter
- Gholdengo ex: Probably the best new deck in the set, and still kinda just ok
- Bombirdier ex: Slow replacement to VIP Pass. Pretty useless until VIP pass rotates next year.
- Gorgeous Mantle: Probably the best card in the set, turns any of Gardevoir's 1-prize attackers into 2-prize attackers, particularly Arcane Gardevoir. Will probably be experimented as a one-of in Gardy.
- TM Energize: Experimental energy acceleration for some decks
- TM Blindside: Experimental 100 Snipe
I'm probably overestimating Bombirdier too
Worst take I've seen on this set was someone suggesting that Shauntal is good in Lost Box.
Out of the cards in our Paradox Rift set, Ancient Roar and Future Flash will be carrying.
sage acorn
when does rotation happen?
final musk
Probably not until next February-April
Basically will not happen until we get core set 5, aka the core set after Paradox Rift
opaque pelican
Probably will be the one that re-introduces ACE SPEC, come to think of it
Here's to hoping that Computer Search isn't in that very first set
opaque pelican
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/09/special-illustration-rare-rika-from-raging-surf
Cyclizar just having a pleasant conversation while parked, and everyone's favorite, Rika
little falcon
that Rika art is weird and i dont get the obsession with the character lol
Cyclizar meh just a weird Pokemon in general
final musk
Oh ffs Larry didn’t get an Alt Art
Pretty much all the alt arts look great, but the choices at what got alt arts more kinda points to how bad the set is overall functionally
Favorite alt arts this set are Yveltal, Minior, Tapu Koko ex, and Mantyke
coral river
does anybody know why this mat is so cheap
ive been tempted to buy one or even a few of it since its literally the cheapest playmat on the internet
but i wanted to know if there was like major qc issues or something
versed jackal
does anybody know why this mat is so cheap
Came in a guaranteed product that people only opened for the alt art Marnie
graceful summit
That or just to rip/flip the Crown Zenith packs
coral river
Came in a guaranteed product that people only opened for the alt art Marnie
so its still a typical pokemon quality mat?
versed jackal
Yeah it ain't bad but it ain't great
coral river
meh, worth 6.50 at least
little falcon
Scooped these up today.
gilded heart
Tyranitar 
opaque pelican
Debating on replacing this Lumineon V in my deck with Gallade (ASR)
Lumineon V gives an immediate benefit but after that just contributes nothing unless it somehow hits the discard pile. Gallade shows a bit more promise since it’s ability can keep fetching me supporter cards so long as it’s in play, but I need to put a bit of effort in getting it there
opaque pelican
In case you still want this, and actually feel comfortable shelling out this much for it
Interesting thing here is that the unique cards (Which likely is the special ex in the set as well as the tool cards that are for Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise) will be printed again at a later point, but it doesn't specify if these cards will actually be usable in official tournaments
The one ex I could see there being some interest in is Suicune ex, since it's the same tried and true Hydro Pump-like attack; more energy, more damage.
Tool cards of course are pretty overkill, especially the Blazing Charcoal. A Charizard will likely be dealing more damage than is necessary without this. But the Sun Seed and Ocean Droplet are... alright, I guess.
final musk
Interesting thing here is that the unique cards (Which likely is the special ex ...
They aren't
opaque pelican
…Oh
final musk
Also just to compare by price point, this was an equivalent of 240 USD when it released in Japan
opaque pelican
Yeah that’s just yuck
final musk
240 there
400 western
final musk
This is TPCi's closest thing to emulating WOTC
opaque pelican
I just liked how the board looked, and couldn’t care about everything else looked
I might just have to look elsewhere like etsy or learn to make my own nice-looking boards
final musk
As far as competitive value out of the new cards printed, there really isn't much
Sun Seed, Blazing Charcoal, and Ocean Droplet all only work with cards specifically named Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur, meaning they are not compatible with any card that has those 3 in the names, only the exact names.
Lugia ex is terrible damage rn as is Ho-oh ex
Suicune ex has little point given how much damage Chien Pao ex already does
opaque pelican
So far I think the only ones we’ll have in the future will just remain as the ones from GO
And yeah, Suicune ex is the least bad of the bunch but that’s not exactly high praise either
Just, “it’s not great but it’s better than these losers”
Also funny, cause the Blastoise Deck just feels like you use the Blastoise in tandem with this.
And you can do that exact strategy with Baxcalibur and Chien-Pao ex and still make more headway
final musk
Yeah that's the issue, a Suicune with x energy is still doing less damage than what Chien Pao can do for the same amount of energy
opaque pelican
You could make the case that you aren’t tossing out said energy with Suicune ex, but again, it’s not this hard to recover that spent energy from the discard pile
final musk
The only time Suicune would be doing as much damage as Chien Pao is at 2 water energy
But then at that point Suicune wouldn't even reach its attack cost, so it is still doing less
final musk
You could make the case that you aren’t tossing out said energy with Suicune ex,...
This point is kinda moot when Suicune's just gonna get one-shot in most matchups
opaque pelican
So really, the energy is probably gonna hit the discard pile anyways
There’s a good few positives but admittedly this needs more kinds of cards to actually be considered
opaque pelican
With 151 released, I may need to ask about specific kinds of rulings for Mew ex
Specifically it's attack, Genome Hacking
Do I need to meet any other conditions to use attacks it copies? I'm certain the answer is 'yes' but I'm just making sure
final musk
If the attack has a condition, that condition must be met
opaque pelican
Ah, gotcha
So, stuff like needing cards in the lost zone, having not used your VSTAR power for the game, and stuff like that?
final musk
Yes
opaque pelican
Righto. It's for utility mostly, but there's something funny about instantly KOing your opponent's Giratina VSTAR with their own Lost Impact attack
Y'know even with 151 being mostly for collectors I still really want to give Wigglytuff ex a try
Alright I gotta share this bit
Notice the text at the bottom of this card
"Evolves into Aerodactyl or Aerodactyl ex"
I imagine this is either just future-proofing in case there is an Aerodactyl ex in the future, or they just made sure that you can use like, the Aerodactyl ex from EX Sandstorm when using this
final musk
Not even. Prices of 151 are already on the low side and it’ll take probably a week for many of them to bottom out
If you are going for lowest rarity in the US, there are currently only 2 cards priced over 10 USD
Mew ex (~15) and Charizard ex (~20)
And Charizard isn’t even good
runic kiln
I'll wait like 2 weeks for Arbok to become cents
final musk
Mew ex (~15) and Charizard ex (~20)
And Charizard isn’t even good
In the time I posted and now, Charizard has fell to 12
opaque pelican
Righto, did some drafting for a deck
Deck Name: Hop, Skip, Jumpluff
4x Hoppid (EVS)
4x Skiplook (EVS)
4x Jumpluff (EVS)
2x Remoraid (BST)
2x Octillery (BST)
1x Medicham V (EVS)
1x Lumineon V (BST)
1x Radiant Alakazam (SIT)
1x Manaphy (BST)
4x Level Ball
4x Feather Ball
3x Rescue Carrier
3x Rapid Strike Scroll of Swirls
2x Rapid Strike Scroll of the Skies
3x Raihan
3x Iono
2x Shopping Center
3x Escape Rope
2x Echoing Horn
2x Brawly
4x Rapid Strike Energy
3x Spiral Energy
4x Reversal Energy
Missing a few cards
But so far I think I did well here as far as a rough draft goes
Any additions would be appreciated
coral river
whats the deck to beat in pokemon does anybody have a list i can netdeck
runic kiln
whats the deck to beat in pokemon does anybody have a list i can netdeck
Lost Box. Go to Limitless for topping lists
Essentially an advantage machine that uses haymakers like Sableye and Giratina VStar to win
coral river
Lost Box. Go to Limitless for topping lists
this the place? https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/241
runic kiln
Yes :D
coral river
hmm this looks pretty cheap
runic kiln
That's Pokemon TCG
Its an incredibly cheap game
Because most of the money is in the collector market
coral river
utopian in nature
runic kiln
One thing is
It's not the most interactive
It's the closest I think TCGs get to 1v1 Solitaire
coral river
the other day my friend pointed to my pokemon full art used as a yugioh field center and was like wow thats broken and i had to read it
runic kiln
I play it as a
Honestly very good break from other card games
Sometimes its nice to just play out a turn and chill on your opponents turn
coral river
ive played very intermittently for a long time
last time i touched the game i played brilliant arrow gardevoir
and before that i was playing the format with the uxie that draws a bunch of cards when you play it
and then like fossil
little falcon
ive played very intermittently for a long time
its a chill one on one game. you do stuff, opponent does stuff, and then back to you. game is really cheap too unless you wanna bling shit out.
coral river
eh i was actually thinking the opposite
just get a deck in low rarity so i can farm my locals
torn wyvern
this the place? https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/241
I'd also decide whether you want the turbo version (one you've got linked) which is mainly lost zone accelerating asap so you can attack with sableye
or the giratina version which has essentially the same gameplan but has giratina as a 2 prize heavy hitter which has an insta KO attack at 10 lost zone
there are also turbo lists similar to what you have linked but with some 2 prizers for utility, raikou and dragonite which allow forest seal stone in the deck to grab anything and dragonite can ko problem mons out of range of sableye
coral river
well ive always been a fan of turbo
opaque pelican
A few days ago I learned that I probably am like, the worst against effects that negate abilities
I probably ought to put cards like Cancelling Cologne or a whole bunch of other Stadium Cards for that
opaque pelican
Sounds like a whole lot of effort just to pull this off
Already is hard enough having like 4 tool cards slapped onto Revavroom ex.
opaque pelican
I will say though, I might try making it a challenge to make a deck around Revavroom ex. As poor a spot as Metal is in right now I might have some ways of making this work
Of course, this will be like, super hard. Trying to skirt around the issue of not having a good way of attaching several Metal Energy will be hard
I might just end up having to use Arceus VSTAR for this one, since at the least, it can do a good few utility stuff.
Incorporating Kirlia (SIT) and Gardevoir (CRE) into this kinda deck could work; more drawing and a possiblity of excavating Metal energy.
wraith wren
yo, does anyone know if there is like a YGOMEGA equiv for pokemon? tryna test some decks without playing money. Noob here.
graceful summit
The official app is all we really have besides a DB equivalent
opaque pelican
Someone asked me for ideas concerning a deck around Ninetales ex
Which, I'm a little confused at, since Ninetales ex is really not all that good, but I thought better of it and decided to help
I imagine one good way to make use of it is just having like, all the copies of Judge you can have, since with this, you and your opponent will have 4 cards in their hand
Some stuff like Copycat is also a consideration in case you want to have a good number of cards in your hand instead, though, admittedly you probably shouldn't play any of them if you want to use the attacks of Ninetales ex
...Which honestly is the problem of Ninetales ex; it's not that you have to meet the condition, it's that you have to refrain from playing anything, even if it's helpful just to use it's attack
final musk
The only consistent ways to meet that condition are through iono and judge
opaque pelican
I imagine I'm probably gonna have to tell em to use an engine involving Kirlia if they really want to do this
final musk
Any card you play down after the supporter has to be replaced, which would need an engine like Kirlia that lets you draw more than what you started with
Yup pretty much
opaque pelican
Cause they sure better save those supporters if that's the goal
final musk
Bibarel works to an extent but gets worse the more cards you need to dump after using Bibarel
opaque pelican
Yeah, I'll let em know
...Speaking of, I definitely should try Kirlia in other kinds of decks
Like, having it seamlessly work with Gardevoir ex is great, but I got a feeling I'm limiting myself by sticking to just that
Alright, so gonna give them the idea of using: Kirlia (SIT), supporters like Judge, Iono and Copycat, and maybe Zoroark (EVS) and Entei V (BRS)
opaque pelican
Alright, ruling time
This involves the tool card, Rapid Strike Scroll of Swirls, and Weavile (CRE)
Now normally this kinda card is too easy to work around concerning it's Two-Hit KO attack
But given how the Rapid Strike Scroll of Swirls damages all things your opponent has out and about, it makes me wonder if this still works.
opaque pelican
In other news: Evidently this Van Gogh Museum promotion has drawn countless crowds of scalpers to nab these cards that are being made.
opaque pelican
And yep, they're reporting in on this too
Y'know, I want to be shocked, but I can't say I truly am surprised at just how desperate scalpers are at putting themselves this low just to run for a quick buck
The cards themselves aren't really supposed to be very valuable at all; they are eventually going to be reprinted even though the Center will reprint this card soon enough. Yet most visitors to this exhibit seemed to have booked a flight or ride down here solely to pick the place clean for these cards, and try to sell them at such a price.
opaque pelican
Also dear god, everyone in these news site comment sections are just woefully pessimistic and moody
I mean, I get it for this bit of news, but it seems most others that are just card reveals just almost always are negative, even for some good stuff that can see play
final musk
I feel like “good stuff that can see play” entirely depends on the the cards in question actually being good enough to see play
151 Charizard ex is one that people keep trying to suggest is worth it in Tera Zard decks due to big damage. Not only isn’t well suited in theory due to how much is needed to set up, but it also hasn’t shown results at all with even Japan locals giving up on the card entirely.
I think the only other card that has a ton of controversy rn is Iron Hands ex.
Iron Hands however is way more complicated a discussing point
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As far as other recent impressions, Raging Surf is performing exactly as to how people expected it to: Garchomp and Gholdengo are just ok, and nothing else beyond the TMs have been useful.
Garchomp looks almost solved at this point, with its clear best iteration being Garchomp/Lucario. Lucario is a one prizer that buffs damage from energy Garchomp can stack on Pokémon, giving the deck a good prize trade and moderate 2HKO damage numbers that could buff to OHKOs. The main issue is the high demand for evolutions over the course of a game.
This deck has been peaking essentially only slightly better than some of 151’s gimmick decks.
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Gold Dingo on the other hand looks unsolved as of this point. There’s been a few different supporting trainers trying to support the deck’s drawpower, and the big issue still very much looks to be getting all the necessary energy at once for certain knockouts.
The other issue is that Gholdengo ex by itself can’t be efficient enough in certain matchups, and there isn’t much of a 1-prizer Gholdengo can pair with besides a Zacian that hits only for 70 damage maximum.
Methods of accelerating Gholdengo tried have included:
Energy Retrieval cards
Letter of Encouragement
Pokestop with recovery items
Eldegoss
Irida + Radiant Greninja
Worker (Draw + get rid of Path)
Kirlia engine with Gallade
Kirlia engine with Gardevoir
Zinnia
Gym Trainer
Grusha (since you only have 1 energy max in play at a time)
Crown Zenith Luxray
And Basculegion to shuffle back energy as a less reliable one-prizer
Nothing other than the retrieval trainers have stuck, and Gholdengo is easily the most popular deck from Raging Surf
Tldr; Garchomp looks mostly solved and isn’t doing much, Gholdengo still unsolved and has room to experiment
opaque pelican
Innnnnnteresting.
opaque pelican
Debating a silly deck around Kabutops (MEW) and Kecleon (CRE)
Mostly cause of this thing's ability
Only real issue here would be that Kecleon having the necessary energy would be a tough task to do
Would mean having to run like, I guess 16 energy in the deck, 2 from each type as a good-ish ratio to even be able to work
Though realistically I could cut out stuff that nothing currently in this format is weak to
Like, there's few things I would need Fire Energy for, as is Psychic
opaque pelican
So wait, why am I getting a suggestion to use Reversal Energy in a Gardevoir ex deck?
Nothing I got so far can use this, or needs it.
torn wyvern
the gardevoir that counts energies can use it
opaque pelican
...Wait, hol' up.
It's actually counted towards Gardevoir's Brainwave attack?
The three units of energy it does provide and such?
That's sick
opaque pelican
Y'know, it's weird.
Sword/Shield I don't think gave us any sorts of cards with Ken Sugimori's stock artwork, sides from trainer cards
Just something I noticed
opaque pelican
Earlier I got into a really weird sort of match
Someone wanted a simple casual match so I was like, why not
I got zero clue what their gameplan was, but from the looks of it, most these cards had something to do with Cynthia. Even if they were not the least bit optimised
...I mean, props for trying to make it work, but... eh.
They had Gastrodon though so that's alright
Also had me remembering this thing existed. Which seemed cool to get off, but I just got over it pretty easily.
I'm guessing this may be pretty cool in GLC
And I will openly admit KOing this thing just felt more satesfying than most other Stage 2 things without a rule box
Actually; how fun would a dragon-type deck in GLC be?
There's stuff like Lance, and Double Dragon Energy, so I imagine I got a few things to work with
opaque pelican
opaque pelican
Ay, nice.
opaque pelican
One thing I need to get better at is identifying ways to break apart a deck in a game. That is to say, what kind of actions to prioritize when it comes to taking the wind out of an opponent's sails when they're playing a specific deck
I know of a few ways with some deck types, like, knocking out Baxcalibur concerning a deck around Chien-Pao ex, making sure the opponent cannot use abilities to send cards to the Lost Zone for decks using that kinda game plan, and so on and so forth
opaque pelican
If there's some sort of article or blog post on what to do with this, I'd appreciate it.
opaque pelican
I realized just how evil these new TM's that will be introduced in Paradox Rift will be paired up with Jumpluff (EVS)
Blindside is pretty much a guaranteed 200 damage against most anything, or 100 damage against two specific mons of your choice. And Devoluter could just straight up kill any kind of momentum a deck around Stage 2 mons could even muster
Yeah, they only last a single turn, but the important thing is, you use it as an attack twice.
sage acorn
how would y'all feel about a pokemon attack that does a base damage of like 30 or something like that but does +10 Damage for each Trainer card played this turn
final musk
They just fixed this
8 weeks
This isn't a meta-defining card but I mean
c'mon this is literally one of the free decks
final musk
Rare Candy not working on fossils got fixed
Now you can Rare Candy on Pokémon turn 1 or the turn you put the Pokémon down
gilded heart
final musk
You aren’t supposed to, but ptcgl is ptcgl
rich pine
Actually; how fun would a dragon-type deck in GLC be?
From what I remember it’s very fun but may be inconsistent with the energy requirements
Dragon energies being limited to 1 after all
opaque pelican
Ah, cool
rich pine
Grabbing the Pokémon themselves is very consistent though
opaque pelican
I just like that it's named Double Dragon Energy. Good time for a joke on Billy Lee and Jimmy Lee
Oh yeah, Lance exists!
Best champ
rich pine
Iirc you don’t run anything with stage 2s unless you’re very confident with backup attackers or prize manipulation
opaque pelican
Yeah, Stage 2's in GLC is a risky thing to try
A lot of them are just super sick though, check this one out
...Does make it more painful knowing Haxorus still hasn't gotten the rulebox treatment in spite of being one of the more well-known dragon types out there today
The idea of Haxorus just outputting like 230 damage per turn is just insane though for something without a rule box
Also, the artwork is just great
final musk
Big batch of cards that unfortunately most aren’t that good rn
Armorouge ex would be good if Fire Energy acceleration didn’t suck. That ability is amazing.
Magby is the worst baby Pokémon so far
Toedscruel needs a specific format to be anti-meta
Golisopod ex is bad
Veluza could be tried in Chien Pao as a 1-prize attacker, but it will probably be outdone by Kyurem
Altaria ex is another tech option for Regidrago VStar, mainly against Lost Tina
Maushold ex unfortunately does too little damage unless you have 6 mice in play.
Espartha’s ability is good, but its attack is awful
Counter Catcher reprint is easily the most impactful reveal
Snorlax Doll is pretty damn specific and I don’t think many decks would bother with it
gilded heart
It's looking like this format is all about either low HP mons that can hit high damage, or high HP mons that ramp up/hit decent damage 🤔 I've been testing offmeta stuff (or stuff that isn't even on the radar) that falls into this category, like Graifaiai and Arceus with Wyrdeer, and they've been working surprisingly well (in Grafaiai's case, mostly when I don't vs LZB decks). I also want to try Arceus Darkrai
I've gotten kinda bored of Miraidon 
final musk
It's mostly around ensuring you have methods of OHKOing at some point in a game.
gilded heart
Yeah
final musk
The only deck that doesn't do this is Rapid Strike
gilded heart
I guess with the big bad being Giratina LZB, it makes sense that most of the meta dances to its rhythm
final musk
Lost Box ensures chaining 1HKOs past a Cramorant and maybe a Sableye
final musk
I guess with the big bad being Giratina LZB, it makes sense that most of the met...
Giratina's not the big bad
gilded heart
Oh is it not
final musk
Giratina's probably the most hated deck but it isn't the best in format
gilded heart
Ah
final musk
Best deck in the format overall is strongly considered Gardevoir
final musk
Box is the next best one
gilded heart
Or even Charizard which seems to be coming up hot
final musk
Charizard really only made it big from Brazil circlejerking it and designing it to hard counter Gardevoir
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Ah
final musk
Cental America and Australia tend to do that with a deck
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Fair I was wondering about the Lost City
final musk
Lost City and Mawile
gilded heart
Ah yeah
final musk
Gardy doesn't play switching cards
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Yeah I haven't faced Gardevoir since I started playing again after a couple months of only yugioh
Need to start going to locals again
final musk
The current meta prediction going into next regionals is a big uptick in Chien Pao
Charizard and Gardy in the spotlight
Lost Box having a questionable Charizard matchup
Colorless Lugia new kid on the block with Mew ex
Mew VMax slowly falling off a cliff
And a lot of top players coming to agreement that Miraidon has almost no good matchups now besides Lugia and Charizard
final musk
This is just from regionals off limitless and like 2 podcasts
gilded heart
Ah
Interesting
Maybe if Miraidon drops off I'll play it again, lol
I've been playing against it a lot on Live
final musk
Honestly Miraidon's a boring deck
gilded heart
Yeah kinda tbh
My favourite deck so far has been Arceus Umbreon
I don't think Umbreon has a place in the current meta though
Arceus maybe
But probably not
final musk
Curibita had 1 topping Arc Umbreon list, but Arceus has not done well at all as the centerpiece of a deck this format
final musk
Arc Tina hasn't done anything and is agreed to be a deck that can't function this format
Duraludon hasn't done much either besides being mixed in 1 Arc Umbreeon deck
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I originally thought that tanky decks, or more specifically, Goodra, could maybe do something, as a counter to the OHKO meta
torn wyvern
haven't been playing long and I think regional streams are really good for surface level info
gilded heart
Yeah true
final musk
I originally thought that tanky decks, or more specifically, Goodra, could maybe...
Yeah... not with Bax/Pao and Lost Tina
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Yeah
torn wyvern
I can't make a read but I know what all the prevalent decks do etc
final musk
Even Miraidon can set up over them
This format is so offensive-loaded that tank decks beyond Zard and maybe Duraludon are pretty much not considered
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I can't make a read but I know what all the prevalent decks do etc
I still need to refresh myself on recent builds for the top decks tbh. I've just been spamming Live ladder instead of looking at the info :p
final musk
Zard only because it can set up instantly and deal high damage while also being 330 HP
And Duraludon as a hard counter to Lugia
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Yeah Charizard being able to set up instantly is a big boost alongside the huge HP
I have been beating Charizard with Arc Wyrdeer on ladder, but it's been close sometimes :p
final musk
The other major meta shift of 151 is Mew ex
Decks are trying it out and seeing if it can fit into makeshift gameplans
The big copy targets are Radiant Greninja, Giratina, and Charizard
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How do they get it powered up fast enough? I'm assuming it's usually not even a secondary attacker. Tertiary maybe 🤔
final musk
Charizard, Chien Pao, Lost Zone, Gardevoir, and Miraidon technically all have ways to power it up, but you need to justify why you are using it
Chien Pao usually doesn't need it since it already runs ways to KO Giratina and Charizard, and already runs Greninja
Colorless Lugia runs it because it has almost no way to KO Giratina or Charizard otherwise, and can heavily profit from copying Greninja
Gardevoir is debating it specifically for copying Greninja
Miraidon... well Miraidon would be lucky to boss Greninja and get Mew powered up all in 1 turn.
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I kinda wonder if people will use Cross Switchers more to make better use of Mew, but I doubt most decks would want to invest that much into using it as attacker
final musk
You'd need a deck that justifies running both
gilded heart
Yeah
final musk
Lugia definitely would not run Cross Switcher
final musk
Chien Pao can, but it already has the cards it needs to fulfil KOing without Mew
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Yeah
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Darkrai is so bad right now
It was one of the first decks I tried going into the format
I haven't tried it with Arceus yet, so that's my next move
final musk
Darkrai's last impressive performance took one of the best players in the game's history to pilot it
Ross Cawthon's 33rd at NAIC Columbus
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Huh I wasn't aware it had that top
Or well
I guess placing
I don't remember if 33rd place is a "top"
final musk
The big problems to Darkrai now are that Lost Tina got a helluvalot more popular and it has a horrible matchup on Charizard.
gilded heart
Yeah that was my main issue trying it out on ladder, lol
Charizard that is
Lost Tina too
But to a lesser extent
final musk
It also has a bad matchup on the Path Mriaidon build that didn't show up until worlds
well
I guess volatile
You fall behind early and then Raichu determines the matchup
gilded heart
Hm that makes sense
I haven't played against that yet I think, but I did see it on some Limitless tournament results
opaque pelican
Tinkaton isn't too terrible. Pretty cheap to use.
Same said about Tatsugiri.
Searching out for 2 cards of your choosing and then switching with something on your bench can keep the momentum going.
Could be alright to use in tandem with something that takes no damage from certain mons, or locks out an opponent's ability to do things
final musk
Tinkaton hitting 180 for PM just means that you'd likely be using Reversal Energy, or at worst 2 attachments
Which that becomes moot because the Tinkaton from Paldea Evolved hits for the same damage with the same cost and has the discard-draw ability
Crushing Blow is the only reason to run that Tinkaton and that is extremely slow to set up for a control card
All you really get is GLC getting another Tinkaton that can do control, and I don't think you'd bother with it there over PAL Tinkaton either
opaque pelican
Eh, when you put it that way, yeah
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Day 1 of Peoria
00:43:00 Round 3: Andrew Mahone (Path Miraidon) vs Collin Merli-Matthews (Fusion Mew VMax) ||2-0 Mew Wins||
01:38:00 Round 4: Jake Ewart (Venomoth Spidops) vs Conner Hurst (Path Miraidon) ||1-1 Tie ||
02:51:30 Round 5: Mike Pramawat (Charizard ex, Brazil build) vs John Mostowy (Lost Box) ||2-0 Lost Box Wins||
04:05:00 Round 6: Jared Grimes (Bax/Pao with Arceus and Drapion) vs Piper Lepine (Gardevoir) ||2-0 Gardevoir Wins||
05:18:15 Round 7: Grant Shen (Bax/Pao) vs Sawyer Melban (Lost Box Kyogre) ||2-1 Bax/Pao wins||
06:34:30 Round 8: Ryan Ferry (Chzarizard ex with Sylveon VMax tech) vs Aaron Tarbel (Path Miraidon) ||1-1 Tie ||
07:52:00 Round 9: Tord Rekelv (Gardevoir) vs Kamal Crooks-Valdez (Charizard ex) ||2-0 Gardevoir Wins||
Oh god
r/PTCGL's most overrated ex
I feel like this craps on Miraidon
especially the non-path build
At least it is Venomoth and not the terrible Leafeon Spidops build
Conner cannot attack turn 1
This whole stream is gonna be Miraidon sandbagging
final musk
Holy shit John
The literal nuts
And he threw
Could have been the most insane game 2
opaque pelican
Alright, so wait, what's Venomoth doing around here?
I imagine it's the one from 151?
final musk
It's basically a stun deck that is drumming up hype
opaque pelican
Ah
final musk
Mostly nothing important
opaque pelican
...Admittedly locking an opponent out of item cards is a great method of bogging them down, but that's about all it can do, isn't it?
final musk
With that build, you lock them out of items and retreating, and confuse them
It's probably not making day 2
opaque pelican
So wait, what's having them play this, and not Banette ex?
I get it's not that great either, but it had like, more than 90 HP
opaque pelican
Ahh
final musk
Banette + Memory Skip Ralts was tried by Liam Haliburton at Pittsburgh, and didn't get very far
opaque pelican
So, ideally it's like, lock em out of item cards so they can't use something like Switch and Escape Rope
Spidops increases their retreat cost, so it's harder to discard for a retreat
And the addec confusion means there's a good chance any action with an attack could just fail.
final musk
you essentially force them to pass or flip a coin for damage
opaque pelican
...That's a lot of conditions to even pull off. Like, it could work, but honestly, that just sounds like pain for both players involved if you are relying on 30-50 damage each passing turn to do stuff
final musk
The problems are:
- Spidops is a huge liability to Boss.
- If you cannot item lock turn 2, game snowballs
- 1 Spidops often isn't enough to impact the game
- If the opponent takes a knockout, you need to set up the next Venomoth quick
opaque pelican
At least this sounds like a pretty cheap kinda deck to try out. I imagine it runs way less for your wallet than other kinds of cards
Ahh
final musk
The last time we had a viable stun deck was Vikavolt turbo, and that deck wasn't that consistent
Just that it was a stun deck that could start stunning by turn 1 going second
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Charizard and Gardy in the spotlight
Lost Box having a questionable Charizard ma...
Day 1 results are going up for Peoria
Charizard, Miraidon, Gardevoir, and Lost Box are the front runners
Miraidon did significantly better day 1 than people expected it to do at the event. Now it is a matter if day 2 keeps it well.
Mew still has tops
Lugia's doing OK
Chien Pao's doing much better than its last two events, but not having a big upset.
Rapid Strike Box would have been an ideal anti-meta pick if Miraidon didn't do as good as it did.
Arceus is making way to top tables, but looking at who is playing it, it is likely Arc Hammers that is doing well
Lost Tina has barely any day 2 placements
The only rogue decks making day 2 appear to be Snorlax Stall and Palkia. I guess Arc Hammers also qualifies here.
Jake Ewart, the guy playing Venomoth on stream, finished 4-3-2 for a total 14/19 points
I'm expecting Gardy to be the winner overall day 2
opaque pelican
Innnnnteresting~
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Round 13: Jesse Parker (Miraidon) vs Jac Carter (Lost Box) ||2-0 Lost Box wins||
Round 14: Billy Chan (SS Lugia) vs Jesse Spencer (Gardevoir) ||1-1 Tie ||
Round 15: Caleb Patton (Lost Box) vs Lucas Thiele (Colorless Lugia) ||1-1 Tie ||
TOP 8: Rowan Stavenow (Mew) vs Grant Shen (Bax/Pao) ||2-1 Mew Wins
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TOP 4: JW Kriewall (Miraidon) vs Jac Carter (Lost Box)
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The only rogue decks making day 2 appear to be Snorlax Stall and Palkia. I guess...
Looks like I missed one: Ting Lu made day 2
going into round 12, Miraidon and Lost Box are doing the best
final musk
Looks like I missed one: Ting Lu made day 2
And it probably ain't getting far into day 2, as it has lost 3 times to Chien Pao
its round 12 is also Chien Pao
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%of people played vs % of day 2:
Charizard: 15% --> 19 %
Lugia: 13% --> 9%
Miraidon: 12% --> 11%
Gardevoir: 11% --> 14%
Lost Box: 10% --> 12%
Chien Pao: 8% --> 10%
Giratina wasn't in top 6 in either played in day 1 or day 2
Giratina Day 2% is 6.7% (12 in day 2)
Mew is 8.5% (15 in day 2). Mew also has 2 people in contention for top 8
Arceus 2.2% (4 in day 2), 1 in contention for top 8
Rapid Strike Box 4% (7 in day 2), 1 in contention for top 8
Day 2 rough % approximation:
Charizard: 19%
Gardevoir: 14%
Lost Box: 12%
Miraidon: 11%
Chien Pao: 10%
Lugia: 9%
Mew: 9%
Giratina: 7%
Rapid Strike Box: 4%
Arceus decks: 2%
Singular day 2 placements: 2% (Snorlax Stall, Palkia, Ting Lu)
Error: 1%
gilded heart
Nooo
Poor Jesse
I was rooting for him
Did Mahone make it to Day 2? Genuinely no clue
Even though I'm in his server 
Should probably check there
gilded heart
Yeah looks like it
final musk
he went 4-3
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final musk
Roman Stavenow (Mew) and JW Kriewall (Miraidon) are locked in for top 8
Raymond Long (Lost Box) just needs to tie his last round
Totals in contention for top 8 on the bubble:
1 Mew (In)
2 Miraidon (1 In)
4 Lost Box (1 almost guaranteed)
3 Lugia
2 Gardevoir
2 Chien Pao
1 Charizard
Tina might make top 16
Arc Hammers might make top 16
Palkia might make top 16
Charizard might make top 16
Rapid Strike fell off hard, with its best potential placement being just short of top 32
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Rowan Stavenov (Mew)
Jac Carter (Lost Box)
Raymond Long (Lost Box)
Jesse Parker (Miraidon)
Grant Shen (Chien Pao)
JW Kriewall (Miraidon)
Last spots appear to be Brent Tonisson (Gardevoir) and Terrence Miller (Lost Box)
And top cut just got annoucned, that is it
Top 16 (needed 34 points)
4 Miraidon
3 Mew
3 Charizard
3 Lost Box
2 Gardevoir
1 Chien Pao
17th at also 34 points: 1 Lugia
Top 8 Cut (Needed 35 points)
3 Lost Box
2 Miraidon
1 Gardevoir
1 Mew
1 Chien Pao
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Miraidon
final musk
It's gonna get messed up in top cut
3 Lost Box
No longer has Charizard to farm
Top placements per deck:
Lost Box, Miraidon, Gardevoir, Mew, Chien Pao: Top 8
Charizard: Top 16
Lugia: 18th (Same score as top 16)
Arceus: 27th
Lost Tina: 30th
Palkia: 53rd
Rapid Strike Box: 83rd
Snorlax Stall: 127th
And unless it was mislabeled, Ting Lu got DQed
gilded heart
It's gonna get messed up in top cut
final musk
Top placements per deck:
Lost Box, Miraidon, Gardevoir, Mew, Chien Pao: Top 8
C...
Ting Lu was a mislabel, this was another Chien Pao
Ting Lu is, in fact, still without a day 2 placement
Miraidons got paired against each other 
Chien Pao vs Mew
Lost Box Mirror
Miraidon Mirror
Gardevoir vs Lost Box
The winner of Rowan and Grant is probably stuck at no more than a top 4, but I'm rooting for Grant here
oh god Grant's hand
game 1 is still winnable for Grant, but this is rough
oof
Grant is getting some really, really shit luck
opened double bidoof both games
milled 3 Irida off 2 uses of Pokestop
final musk
Grant got a really big break
tldr; Rowan in game 2 plays a combination of Feather Ball and VIP Pass and put down 4 pokemon accidentally. Shuffled his deck and continued playing. Rowan was given a game loss
Grant finally opens a pokemon other than Greninja
also interestingly enough this is the one time where putting down multiple pokemon at the start of the game is the right thing to do due to Rowan playing Grabber
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I still think Lost City Miraidon is better than Path Miraidon, but hey, I'm no pro player
graceful summit
Dont you mean make them catch your Iron Hands
opaque pelican
I would do the opposite and give them a raise.
I love stupid attack names like this
This is a thing too
I guess they printed Crobat, since Golbat was printed in 151 without a Crobat to evolve into.
final musk
Decklists for Peoria up
A few interesting notes:
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The Arceus decks that made day 2 were Arc Dura, not Arc Hammers. I got that wrong
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All 3 top Lost box decks were different builds (Turbo, Kyogre, and Sablezard)
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The top Mew player ran DTE Mew, and teched Grabber + Luxray specifically to deal with Charizard
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Path Miraidon did way better than Non-Path
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Zapdos ex barely showed up at all day 2 in Miraidon
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Ditto barely showed up at all day 2
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Cycling Road, a card I expected to be tried in Gardy, did not show at all in day 2
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Chien Pao has almost entirely moved to cutting VStars out of the deck
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Charizard builds at the top were pretty much all around the Brazil build, calling it Arvenzard for now
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Charizard players are split on the 151 and OBF Pidgeys
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151 Charizard ex, as expected, did not do shit
opaque pelican
Innnnnteresting
opaque pelican
Alright, I hit some conflict concerning mons to use with Jumpluff (EVS)
I got two canidates for something to be used if Jumpluff can't cut it
Weavile (CRE) and Kingambit (OBS)
Weavile ensures a knock-out can be scored against something if a rapid-strike mon were to damage it next turn. It's slow, but nearly inescapable unless someone uses something like Penny to take back whatever got tagged. It being a rapid-strike style mon means it can use those scrolls that Jumpluff uses too if I absolutely have to use them.
Kingambit just straight-up knocks something out if it's attack was used against something with 4 or more damage counters, and Jumpluff often is gonna land 6 on everything in play. It's however, very, very hard to get out when the deck already has a stage 2 to focus on, and Kingambit has a retreat cost of 4, ensuring it has to stay in the fray. It does however, have 180 HP, so it's not completely a sitting duck
Any good ideas?
final musk
Gambit is way more workable than Weavile
Weavile’s condition drops if the Pokémon you are trying to hit leaves the active position
Not just leave the field
opaque pelican
Ahhh, righto. I'll try making things work around that if possible
I wasn't aware that the conditions for Two-Hit KO to activate would be removed if the defender hit by it would leave the active spot
I guessed it was just always on, and the only condition was damage being received
Of course this also means I have to work in some Metal Energy in the deck if so... hmm
opaque pelican
I guess I can also use cards like Medicham V, and Zeraora V
After some adjustments, here's what it's looking like so far on what I'll require:
4x Hoppip (EVS)
4x Skiploom (EVS)
4x Jumpluff (EVS)
2x Pawniard (CRZ)
2x Bisharp (CRZ)
2x Kingambit (OBS)
2x Ralts (ASR)
2x Kirlia (SIT)
1x Medicham V (EVS)
1x Zeraora V (CRE)
4x Arven
4x Level Ball
4x Nest Ball
2x Ultra Ball
3x Professor's Research
3x Town Store
1x Shopping Center
3x Rapid Strike Scroll of Swirls
3x Rapid Strike Scroll of the Skies
2x Boss's Orders
4x Rapid Strike Energy
4x Reversal Energy
4x Spiral Energy
Still pretty bad, but I'm working on what the issues are
opaque pelican
I might also try planning out a handrip deck next
i know I'll use a card like Arbok ex, but what else sounds good?
final musk
It's pretty much just Arbox and the recent Luxray V / Grabber engine that Mew VMax plays
I think I found at least the concept of Gholdengo I want to try out when Paradox Rift drops
One of Gholdengo's biggest problems is that Gholdengo by itself cannot suffice as an attacker since it is a 2-prizer, and pairing it with a basic 1-prizer is difficult.
So what this guy did is pair Gholdengo with Zoroark so he could get out both Scizor and Gholdengo from a single evolution line
This guy's build also plays Slowbro but I'm not sure I like that. I'd think Scizor covers your need well enough. The problem is that this is more setup early on.
2 Gimmighol
2 Gholdengo ex
4 Zorua
4 Zoroark
1 Radiant Greninja
1 Manaphy
1 Jirachi
1-2 Scizor
4 Ultra Ball
4 Level Ball
4 Superior Energy Retrieval
4 Iono
3 Research
2 Boss
1-2 Klara
2-3 Stadiums (Pokestop and/or Artazon)
Probably 9-12 Metal Energy
That's about 50 or so cards right there.
The other strategy that is starting to get popular with Gholdengo in Japan is Palkia Gholdengo.
Where Gholdengo can just pitch water energy for its attacks, and Palkia can power up alternative attackers that cover Gholdengo's problems.
opaque pelican
Ah, cool!
torn wyvern
I'm definitely interested with gholdengo out of paradox rift because I think I'll pick up physical with that set
I've been playing torterra on live as it's simple and one shotting zard is cool
I don't know how impactful set releases are (I'm aware 151 only really introduced mew ex & upgrades) but I didn't want to pick up say pao or miraidon just before a set comes out
final musk
we know most of the set, I'd say Pao and Miraidon are both probably fine
Both decks get new toys to play with in Paradox Rift
Chien Pao gets Jirachi to cover weakness to Sableye and Cresselia. Some folks are also trying Earth Vessel with any pokemon that goes with it, like Iron Hands ex or Evolving Skies Kyurem.
Miraidon also gets to try Iron Hands ex.
I think Iron Hands is being overhyped af right now, whatnot with people calling it the next ADP, but I think it is a neat card worth trying
Gholdengo definitely feels like the deck with the most experimentation coming out of Paradox Rift
torn wyvern
It's definitely one of my favourite pokemon out of S/V so if he's even viable to play I'm really down
final musk
He's lasted longer than Garchomp in Japan at least
Another batch of cards, I don't think any of them are particularly noteworthy
Fighting continues to get meh acceleration cards
Tsareena ex at first seems neat, until you remember that Alolan Raticate kinda does its role better. Putting 30 chip damage on a pokemon is a lot more of a pain than 10.
Artwise though is sick
These 3 in particular
Full set reveal for Ancient Roar / Future Flash is next Friday at Midnight EST
torn wyvern
I'm also very down to play a cool fighting type should one pop up
With how well miraidon plays I was assuming the same of koraidon to unfortunately find it not so hot
little falcon
im not a big fan of the future mons as it just feels like theyre robots and not Pokemon lol
but the Gallade art is neat
opaque pelican
You feel like new TM's will be super busted with Jumpluff?
...Or at the very least, kinda helpful?
Devoluter and Blindside just sound super painful to be on the receiving end of
opaque pelican
An interesting ability.
It can add V and basic ex onto the bench too, making it a neat bit of recovery... even if it just makes you wish Revive was usable.
Also on revive:
You ever noticed just how Max Revive is actually way less potent than Revive?
I guess choosing any mon from the discard pile to pitch back to the deck is a plus, but putting something on the bench directly seems more helpful.
Really, this card is conflicting
It makes you wish you can use Revive, and in the case of slapping something of your opponent's down to their bench, you would rather use Echoing Horn
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opaque pelican
Ah, cool, Sacramento
final musk
Starting the list again:
Caster Battle 2005 Worlds Format: Pablo Meza (Nidoqueen / Pidgeot) vs Kyle Sucevich (Dark Tyranitar / Electode ex)
Round 4: Walter Contreras (Miraidon) vs AzulGG (Lost Box Kyogre) ||Lost Box Wins 2-0||
Round 5: Andrew Sakauye (Stall) vs Blake Wray (Turbo Lost Box) ||Lost Box Wins 2-0||
Round 6: Jeremy Castro (Gardevoir) vs Alex Krekeler (Rapid Strike Box) ||Rapid Strike Wins 2-1||
Round 7: Joel Zamora (Arvenzard with teched Delphox V) vs Mike Pramawat (Lost Box) ||Lost Box Wins 2-0||
Round 8: Henry Brand (Gardevoir) vs William Penny (Miraidon) ||Gardevoir Wins 2-0||
Round 9: Brent Tonisson (Gardevoir) vs Jeremy Jallen (Miraidon) ||Gardevoir Wins 2-1||
opaque pelican
Ayyy Nidoqueen
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Round 4 commentary:
Oof Walt prized Mew. That's pretty important for this matchup. I don't think Azul's gonna hold off on using Greninja in fear of Mew.
Yeah Azul is just going straight for setting up
Miraidon already has a rough matchup on Lost Box, but Kyogre has means to just blow out the game
final musk
Just played against Venomoth online
You know a deck has a poor gameplan when you can knock out 1 specific pokemon before a item lock happens, never win a coin flip after that, and still smoke them
5 Tails, no Heads, and Venomoth still lost taking only 1 prize card
deck gives way too much opportunity to draw into outs.
This deck falls apart without Alakazam to control damage placement
torn wyvern
There was even snorlax on feature
their opponent thought they were on venomoth at first
final musk
Yeah stall works better against most decks
Just so happens to suck a lot against Lost Box
opaque pelican
Venomoth having like, a lot of hype around it just felt really weird
Yeah, your opponent can't use item cards... but locking them out of item cards off of a rather weak attack is about all you can do
And the moment the lock is broken, you have a super hard time stopping them now, since by that point they usually have a whole slew of item cards they can now slap out
There's got to be a better way to make this work than what others are trying, but that's about it.
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Round 9 notes: Jeremy Jallen might be one of the luckiest people ever and he still lost game 1
Jeremy
Jallen
Is the luckiest person
ever.
If I were Brent, I'd be pissed
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Day 1 to Day 2 Conversions for Sacramento:
Day 1
Day 2
Lost Box is blowing this tournament out of the water
Chien Pao, Gardevoir, Charizard, and Lugia all converted about what they started with
Miraidon is flopping, nature is healing
This makes Alex Krekeler's pick for Rapid Strike Box a really good meta call
Victor Aung too, same deck
Of the 12 Miraidon players in day 2, 4 are in the bottom 10 from day 2 placement
Round 13: Juan Cardenas (Charizard Arceus) vs Emmi Stonier (Mew VMax) ||Charizard Wins 2-0||
Round 14: Alexander Flatos (Colorless Lugia) vs Charlie Kerr (Coloreless Lugia)|| Charlie Wins 2-0||
Round 15: AzulGG (Lost Box Kyogre) vs Cory Laffiton (Miraidon) ||Tie 1-1 Timeout Game 3||
Top 8: Nicolo Abete (Arceus Gyarados) vs Charlie Kerr (Colorless Lugia) ||Arceus wins 2-1||
Top 4: Alexander Flatos (Colorless Lugia) vs Dorian Scotts (Colorless Lugia) ||Alexander wins 2-0||
oh god ew so many gold rares in round 13
Arceus Attach Pass
Judge Pathed to 4 cards
Only runs 1 DTE and one of his Arceus VStar is prized
Drew BOTH the DTE and his other VStar
And another Arceus V to attach up
opaque pelican
Alright, need some advice
What good methods would I have of recycling special energy from the discard pile?
The only good-ish idea I got so far is Blaziken VMAX, but I may need other options
final musk
What good methods would I have of recycling special energy from the discard pile...
There really aren't any generic options for that right now. The closest ones you got are Cylene (Works off Coin Flips) and Roseanne's backup (Only shuffles back 1 maximum)
Single Strike also has Urn of Vitality for its archetype.
Rapid Strike's best option for that is literally just Blaziken
Fusion Strike decks right now don't play any recycling.
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Going into last swiss round
1 Lugia and 1 Lost Box confirmed into top cut
Top 8 Contenders: 15 total
5 Lugia (1 In)
4 Lost Box (1 In)
2 Arceus
1 Gardevoir
1 Rapid Strike Box
1 Lost Tina
1 Miraidon
final musk
Lost Box basically defined this metagame
opaque pelican
And Jirachi may very well kill it next set
final musk
Pretty sure all those Lugia decks are Colorless Lugia, which hard counters Lost Box
Chien Pao, Mew, and Charizard are all in top 32 each with a chance at top 16.
There is a completely unlisted deck that's on bubble for top 32
Dialga VStar, Ting Lu, and Stall all made day 2, but didn't do well in day 2
Unless Azul gets horrible luck, Miraidon is bubbling out of top 8
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Cory Laffiton wins game 1
Accidentally shuffles and sets with 59 cards in deck going into game 2. Caught before game starts
Cory gets a 2-prize pentalty going into game 2
What
dude wtf was game 2
I don't know what Cory was going for if he waited that long to scoop
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And pretty sure we timed out into a tie, to which Cory bubbles out.
Top 8 has like 4 Lugia
Top 8:
4 Lugia
2 Lost Box Kyogre
1 Gardevoir
1 Arceus Gyarados
Gyarados is a meta call specifically against Lugia, Hyper Beam knocking off energy.
Colorless Lugia also has no way to one-shot it.
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Arceus also got 9th
Turbo Lost Box best placement was 10th
Miraidon best placement was 11th
Chien Pao best placement was 12th
Tina best placement was 13th
Rapid Strike Box best placement was 16th
Charizard best placement was 23rd
Mew best placement was 25th
Single Strike Lugia is almost gone at this point, placing 69th at best.
Rogue Decks:
Dialga VStar placed 49th
Some unknown variant deck placed 55th. Possibly Venomoth.
Arc Dura placed 105th
Ting Lu placed 143rd
Stall placed 145th.
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Game 1 of Top 8 is so spaghetti
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Finals
Arc Gyarados vs Lugia
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This whole top cut is jank
opaque pelican
Wow, jeez
final musk
Arceus also got 9th
Turbo Lost Box best placement was 10th
Miraidon best placeme...
The unknown deck taking 55th was Hisuian Zoroark VStar
gilded heart
I've been doing really well with Arceus decks on live, so I'm not surprised to see builds doing well competitively 🤔
final musk
It helps them that Tina has fallen down a well
While their matchups are still kinda weird, the only other deck that will aggressively path Arceus is Miraidon
opaque pelican
Bleh
Not too exciting
Though, this being in Future Flash means a prerelease may very well have someone pull both an Aegislash in their premade deck and this to top it off
opaque pelican
Eels and Garbo
Wugtrio sounds alright, I guess, though I'm a little unsure how efficient it will be compared to more reliable methods of fetching tool cards.
Garbodor is... funny. About all I can say about it. Nice art though
final musk
Wugtrio is actually the bad one here
Garbodor stacks up ok against Electrode, but neither of those decks are competitive
Wugtrio is bad if all you are doing with it is gathering 3 tools
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So prerelease for paradox rift at one of my locals is messed up. An account error made that they missed Paradox Rift prerelease kits.
Instead of the kits being Paradox Rift, they will now be randomized kits from every set Chilling Reign through Obsidian Flames
This is gonna be nuts
graceful summit
Oh lawd
final musk
Looks like leaks are making their rounds for Paradox Rift
Of what we haven't seen:
1 ex ||Cofagrigus||
2 Supporters ||Roark|| and ||Norman||
No more Special Energy other than Medical Energy
No Stadiums in this set
No more Paradox archetype cards
The previously translated Gorgeous Mantle is named Luxurious Cape
Follow up: Read the yet-to-be-officially-revealed Supporter ||Roark||: It's crap
||Draw 2, add basic energy from discard pile to hand.||
Found ||Norman||: Also crap
||Draw 2, if opponent's active is an ex, draw 2 more.||
Reveal night tomorrow for Future Flash / Ancient Roar gonna be pretty mild
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Paradox Rift is probably still a better set than Obsidian Flames, but I still think Paldea Evolved is the best Gen 9 set.
Biggest impacts from the set so far:
Jirachi is a counter to Sableye and Cresselia
Earth Vessel is a new, very useful item card in general
Scream Tail is a tech for Gardevoir
Iron Valiant is a new option for Lost Box
Iron Valiant is a possible tech for Gardevoir (I don't think it will see play in here until Rotation)
Counter Catcher is a new reversal card that some decks will tech or design to play.
Iron Hands will continue to be controversial despite probably being mid.
Iron Hands in Miraidon will see play, but won't be as successful as people are claiming it will be
Iron Hands in Lost Box will need the deck design to tailor Iron Hands
Iron Hands in Chien Pao ends up being too much space and people just tech Jirachi instead.
There's a lot of other stuff that at least looks playable but not competitive
That's probably where Paradox Rift thrives where Obsidian Flame fails: In Obsidian Flame, you only cared about pretty much just Charizard period.
Biggest beef with the set is that unlike Rapid Strike, Single Strike, Fusion Strike, and Ancient Paradox,
Future Paradox cannot really be played as an archetypal deck
Ancient Paradox as an archetypal deck is kinda up in the air as to if it is good or not. You can get to Roaring Moon, Brute Bonnet, or Slither Wing attacking turn 1 going second, but it isn't always easy to do.
opaque pelican
...Ok that
Actually sounds like a super sick format
Just, instead of a build and battle box for a specific set, it can be most any set
I would legit love that.
final musk
Ancient Paradox as an archetypal deck is kinda up in the air as to if it is good...
I'm handtesting a turn 1 Go Second build... you are in constant anime topdeck mode
I'm running 4 Energy Switch, 4 Dark Patch, 4 Sada's Determination and barely attacking like every turn
This deck would absolutely die to disruption
The other method is Roaring Moon in a Darkrai deck, that's probably safer though not anywhere near as aggro
Proxies are:
Salamence = Roaring Moon
Amoongus = Brute Bonnet
Professor's Research = Professor Sada's Determination
Earthen Seal Stone = Earthen Vessel
Patrol Cap = Ancient Energy Booster Capsule
It's really frustrating because without a retreat pivot, Dark Patch becomes much less effective
Sada + Energy Switch feels nice but it often leaves you with just enough energy attached to 1 pokemon and nothing else set up
Zubat is, in fact, not a proxy.
Yeah for Free Retreat Single prizer, you have:
Zubat (Dark Type pivot, meaning it is a target for Dark Patch)
Cyclizar (Highest HP on a 1-prize pivot)
Cleffa (best attack on a 1-prize pivot)
Cleffa's probably gonna end up being what I settle on.
digital crow
I forgot for like, 5 seconds that you can only attack once per turn
I was like "WTF?"
opaque pelican
Ahh, cool
Yeah, Alakazam ex is really cool
But insofar as actually doing damage, it's... eh
Boss's orders and Escape Rope exists, so having something to try and wall off any attempts at doing damage and KO's would come short if your opponent had them in the deck
It's not infailable, but it's still cool
opaque pelican
...Also wait, the Patrol Cap?
What's goin' on with that thing?
...Oh right, proxy
I forgot for a sec
Looks like a solid list. Might jot this down just in case I need another shopping list
final musk
Dude some of these takes on Iron Hands are awful lmfao
People expecting to attack with it turn 1 going second
People calling it the new ADP
People expecting to set it up and Boss KO in 1 turn
People claiming Luminous Energy is worth running in Chien Pao for it when you don't even need to do that
Like yeah Miraidon will probably play it as an option and Chien Pao + Lost Box will try it
People are borderline calling it the antichrist tho lol
opaque pelican
I mean, it's good, but it's not gonna be amazing, bar some more insane support.
Amp you Very Much
final musk
The only thing that would really push it up in viability at this point is a Special Energy for Future Paradox Pokemon
opaque pelican
I wouldn't doubt it
final musk
And we already know that isn't in Paradox Rift
There is no room in Future Flash or Ancient Roar for any special energy
opaque pelican
With how things are special energy suited for Future and Past cards might just be a thing at a later point
final musk
Why does this dude on twitter have a mockup deck for running it in Lugia
The method of getting the Lightning Energy is just basic Lightning energy and Earthen Vessel, that doesn't work for Lugia
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Annnnd full reveal of FF/AR is up
Another Zorobox target
Discards a fighting energy (Or in Zorobox case, discard Reversal Energy), do 240.
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replacing Groudon in Garchomp:
220 for 3 fighting, fails if Ting Lu has 40 or more damage on it
Garchomp still mid af
opaque pelican
Ech, it likely won't get much opportunities to do that.
And most methods of removing damage counters have a steep enough cost that you likely won't make use of it. If Hyper Potion ever gets printed again, you'd still be tossing out the required energy to even do the attack
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Depressing card
opaque pelican
Ayyyy Exploud
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for 1 Colorless: Discard your opponent's active pokemon
Fails if you didn't evolve this from Loudred
opaque pelican
Pretty powerful, but only works once. Bleh.
final musk
Not as good as Cleffa, better than other baby pokemon
opaque pelican
It's got the pros of cards like it, but the cons of also having the aspects of cards like it
And of course, socking something for 30 damage
Could be an alright way to get a cheap shot in
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Attack sucks, ability is ok
If knocked out by an opponent's attack, randomly discard 2 cards from the opponent's hand
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and... that's it
that's all that was left to reveal of any interest
Everything else revealed is either vanilla or outclassed by another card
oh wait, one last card, but it is almost entirely outclassed by Raticate
For double dark, do 10 + 40 damage per each damage counter on the opponent's pokemon
If you are playing a Zoroark Box deck with any DTE, Raticate is automatically better
If not, this is barely any bit better
opaque pelican
Kamen Rider!
Well, I would at this point come up with a "ok but there is some merit to using this"
But realistically... yeah I have to agree since Raticate is just a lot easier to manage
I guess you could use Dark Patch to attach Darkness Energy to this... but that's really just pushing it at this point
You know what card in this set is really stupid? Gligar
It has the Toxic attack, which as per usual, poisons the defender and they have to place 2 damage counters betwen turns
You evolve it into Gliscor and it just gets ridiculous
You have to flip a coin to poison the defending mon, whereas Gligar didn't need that
I guess the deal with it actually dealing damage was supposed to balance it out, but, come on
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Biggest impacts from the set so far:
Jirachi is a counter to Sableye and Cresse...
Yeah so nothing about what I said before changes
Garchomp still mid, Zorobox gets another option.
Earth Vessel and Jirachi still easily the best cards in the set
This Donphan from 3 years ago got powercrept.
There is now a steelix with 30 more HP, that does 10 more damage
with a Basic that has more HP
opaque pelican
Well, it was fun while it lasted
But at the least the new gameplan stil remains
Earthquake things really hard
opaque pelican
Alright so I’m gonna ask
What sort of product has the best card-to-price value?
I know getting individual cards is better but with recent sets, I’m unsure how long it could be until something I wish to get is available
opaque pelican
Righto
final musk
I watched a few videos on Paradox Rift preview playtesting
Yeah Iron Hands is not standing out
The best it is doing is trading even when included in Miraidon
At worst it is bricking Chien pao or letting Chien Pao take games it is in advantage faster
Roaring Moon testing from other people seems about the same as what I was doing: Make the deck try to attack first turn going second, throw caution to the wind on disruption
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Proxies are:
Salamence = Roaring Moon
Amoongus = Brute Bonnet
Professor's Resea...
Changes from my list to the videos I was watching are immediately:
Cut Brute Bonnet to 1
Cut Mew ex to 1
Cut Zubat entirely
Debatedly:
Cut Lumineon V
Cut 1 Ultra Ball
Cut 1 Collapsed Stadium
Play 2 more Switch Cart
Play 1 Super Rod
Play 1 Pal Pad
Play 1 Boss's Orders
Play a 4th Nest Ball if cutting Ultra Ball
Play 1 Lost Vacuum
Put a 3rd Pokestop in place of the 2nd Collapsed Stadium
If cutting Lumineon V, fit Pokegear 3.0 into the deck somehow
Mulling over a few things, but I at least got ideas together that I want to try
opaque pelican
Is the whole idea of using Emergency Jelly alongside Roaring Moon ex still ideal?
Or is 120 HP recovered on something that dealt 200 damage to itself not too worthwhile?
I'm just debating if the 80 HP missing will be detrimental
opaque pelican
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/10/garganacl-ex-raifort-tinkaton-and-other-new-gym-promos-revealed
More stuff dropping in!
Tinkaton is... eh. You still just use the one from PAL
Garganacl ex is very, very cool. I'm a little hesitant to see how well it's gonna do so far since it's a Stage 2 you got to put some effort to slamming down, but given how much HP it has, and it's attack and ability ensures your opponent has to put some real effort if they're planning on trying to KO it, then it's a safe bet there's gonna be some decks with it. This could be pretty great used together with the Rocky Breastplate, and Lake Acuity.
Raifort is... interesting. You look at the top 5 cards of the deck... then you can toss out anything you don't like to the discard pile and put whatever cards you do want back.
final musk
Is the whole idea of using Emergency Jelly alongside Roaring Moon ex still ideal...
No
It never was
opaque pelican
Wait, I thought there was discussion on it.
But I guess it wasn't as good as it sounded.
final musk
You can preserve Roaring Moon enough that you don’t need Frenzied Gouging for certain matchups or until you need to OHKO at the end of game
opaque pelican
Oh, yeah
final musk
Your prize math doesn’t get better with Jelly, it gets better with better play and maybe a 1-prize attacker
opaque pelican
So, I guess the one idea here is to use stadium cards like Artazon if you plan on using it
And only use the one-hit KO against something you have no shot at dealing with otherwise
final musk
Artazon can’t search Roaring Moon
opaque pelican
Nope
But you can use it once you activate it
And then discard it with it's second attack
final musk
Pokestop, Collapsed Stadium, and Beach Court are best
opaque pelican
Ah, alright
...Oh, right
I remember; we said that Emergency Jelly was a better choice for it than the Ancient Booster Capsule here
#1020932971106140221 message
In hindsight, now I know that this is probably a bad idea
Either case, definitely excited to see what I can do with it. I like the ideas that darkness-type decks can bring
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First half of the prerelease stuff known.
The Chi Yu core has Chi Yu, Iron Moth, Elekid, Magby, Mela
The Iron Bundle core has Iron Bundle, Golisopod, and a lot of Generics.
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Prerelease status: gonna get bodied in tournament, I got the Aegislash half. Iron Bundle gonna have to carry
On the other hand, pulled Alt Art Roaring Moon ex
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Round 1 bye
steep crow
One of the cards one of my partners family pulled is missing a foiling layer
It looks like a regular holo foil in person just applied to the entire card rather than the SAR sparkles
opaque pelican
Ahh
Well, it does look very nice having the entire foiling on it
Though there may be something I'm missing here
opaque pelican
Ah
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4 people pulled the Aegislash half and 2 people took all of it out of their constructed decks
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Finished 2-1 not bad, but it has a bye
I regret not taking Aegislash out of the deck, that pokemon line did nothing
I didn’t lose because of it, but it could have been Roaring Moon. I just didn’t want my pull taking wear
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Well there was a game 4
3-1
The next one in an hour will be the mixed build and battle
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Pulls from starting packs:
Alt At Roaring Moon ex
Alt Art Toedscruel
Pulls from reward packs:
Iron Hands ex
2 Altaria ex
Froslass ex
Alt Art Aipom
Alt Art Cyclizar
opaque pelican
Nice results!
graceful summit
No Paradox Rift Prerelease for our shop rip
But from my League Pack I pulled stamped Honchcrow V and bought a stamped Charizard V.
opaque pelican
Nice
final musk
For the mixed build and battle, I got Fusion Strike, Dragapult and Accelgor
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I then proceeded to win the next 3 games
I think I got 4th
Results in shortly
Results in: 3rd
Got 2nd and 3rd at back to back releases
graceful summit
Hella clean
opaque pelican
Sweet
So, what makes Aegislash a dud, again?
I assume it's cause the payoff isn't gonna work out when there's going to be little rule box stuff going around
final musk
It took too long and too many cards to set up
Over the 4 rounds, I made 1 Aegislash to block a hit from Espartha. Every other time and game, I had Doublade on the bench and never used it. You either made Aegislash or it was not worth setting up
The deck build gave a 4-3-3 line for Aegislash
When I ran it, I cut it down to a 3-2-1 line, and removed Rare Candy
All in place of better basics
Another dude who got the same deck halves as me cut out all of Aegislash and added Past Paradox cards he got instead, including a Roaring Moon ex and a Mantyke to heal it
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Sidenote: Found out a few of the top decks from the mixed Build and Battle
Context: There were 5 booster sets that were used for Build and Battle, players rolled a D10 to determine what they got, with 1 mulligan allowed. The possibilities were:
Fusion Strike
Astral Radiance
Silver Tempest
Paldea Evolved
Obsidian Flames
The top 5 got:
#1: Paldea Evolved; Pelipper and Tinkaton. Also pulled 2 Boss's Orders and 2 Iono from packs.
#2: Obsidian Flames; Camerupt and Palafin
#3 (me): Fusion Strike, Dragapult and Accelgor
#4: Fusion Strike, Latias and Dragapult
#5: Fusion Strike, Accelgor and Meloetta
My opponents got:
Paldea Evolved; Pelipper and Tinkaton (The guy who got 1st)
Silver Tempest; Rapidash and Kirlia
Obsidian Flames; Cleffa (Camerupt) and Togekiss
Silver Tempest; Sunflora and Kirlia
Out of 18 people, only 2 took Astral Radiance
final musk
Yeah Fusion Strike was pretty busted for this mixed Build and Battle
steep crow
The dream
final musk
All 4 cores that you could get from Fusion Strike are within the archetype, so extremely synergistic
The guy who got first lined up the lottery for abusing supporters
And second place got arguably the single best deck core, Palafin
To my knowledge, out of all 20 deck halves that were a part of this pool of cards, only 1 wasn't pulled at all
Basculegion from Astral Radiance
The only 3 people who pulled from Fusion Strike all got within top 5 of 18
Context as to why Palafin is so strong here: he's the only stage 1 line that doesn't need to find the stage 1 into the hand, as Finizen just tutors it from the deck and sets it back on the bench. Jet Punch rips through anything of 30 HP, and Palafin's 2-energy attack knocks out literally anything in this format
Couple that with the supporting pokemon in this deck half being Bonsly, who has free retreat
steep crow
Jesus
final musk
Of the 20 deck halves:
- 6 of them involve stage 2 lines
- 11 of them involve stage 1 lines
The 3 that don't involve any evolving are United Wings from ASR, Latios/Latias from Fusion Strike, and Meloetta from Fusion Strike
Other than those 3, Palafin is evolving and setting up faster than all the others, and hitting just as if not stronger
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This was yesterday. I completely missed it due to pre-releases
Top comment on Youtube already has timestamps
And day 2 is almost done already
Currently they are on top 8
Top 8 is:
2 Mew
1 Lost Goodra
1 Lost Box
1 Lost Tina
1 Chien Pao
1 Gardevoir
1 Colorless Lugia
Best placement of other decks:
Charizard: 10th (Did not make top 8 on Win resistance, same score as some who made top 8)
SS Lugia: 14th
Lost Box Kyogre: 19th
Arceus Variants: 21st (Duraludon)
Rapid Strike Box: 30th
Miraidon: 35th
Notable rogue decks included:
Arceus variants (Dura, Vulpix, and Hammers)
Banette (Placed 25th, well done)
Snorlax Stall (Placed 31st and 37th)
And 1 rogue deck still yet to be determined, looking at the guy's limitless page it might be a weezing deck of some kind
graceful summit
opaque pelican
Nice watch
final musk
Buy a Rising Rivals Luxray Lv X
The vendor ships a Celebrations Luxray Lv X
The vendor will likely turn around and say "Sorry we don't actually have that item" and then put it up again for a much higher price is my guess
thanks TCGPlayer
opaque pelican
Yuck
runic kiln
Arbok ex is going up in price?
torn wyvern
It has no reason to be
final musk
Agree with Swampe, i have no idea why that card is going up
I don't think it was on stream for Lille but I'll check
Banette was onstream
Yeah there's no real reason that card is jumping up a bit
No streamed matches, no results even for online tournaments, and no youtubers hyping it up
final musk
Banette was onstream
And did pretty well for that matter, got 25th
runic kiln
Agree with Swampe, i have no idea why that card is going up
Really looking at a Darkrai Vstar variant
final musk
from what I've read, Scoop Up Net only addresses one issue
Which is FTKs.
Decks that people feel are problematic outside of FTKs have not been addressed much
sage acorn
*oh my goodness are they actually touching Expanded*
copium that they release some sort of Expanded format Starter deck of some sort
final musk
Online needs to first finish implementing exapnded
And so far, they are only halfway done doing that
sage acorn
so do i play Iron Hands Miraidon at the Austin Regional
the deck is fun but the fact my version runs too many non-single prizers makes it a glass cannon
final musk
Really depends on the list. Iron Hands is mostly an inclusion to profit an extra prize card, and any more than 1 copy compromises the deck
sage acorn
but what if the one copy of Iron Hands ends up in prizes?
final musk
But how many matchups would you be reasonably expecting Iron Hands to play a big role?
opaque pelican
Not that it'll happen very soon but ping me if TCG prints Torchic
Really, at this point printings should just say "with a rule box" instead of whatever this series' rule box thing is.
Scoop Up Net is just the most notorious example
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Round 4: Chris Barry (Charizard) vs Chip Richey (Charizard)
Round 5: Vance Kelley (Mew VMax, Fusion Build) vs Sam Chen (Single Strike Lugia)
Round 6: Felipe Luna (Charizard) vs Sawyer Melban (Lost Box Kyogre)
Round 7: Jared Grimes (Bax/Pao with Rotom engine) vs Raymond Long (Lost Box Kyogre)
Round 8: Gwen Tran (Rapid Strike Box) vs Stephane Ivanoff (Gardevoir)
Round 9: Logan McKay (Lost Box Kyogre) vs Yehoshua Tate (Bax/Pao)
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Day 1 stats of usage:
Lost Box: 15%
Charizard: 13%
Lugia: 11%
Chien Pao: 11%
Gardevoir: 11%
Miraidon: 10%
Mew is probably just below those
mighty peak
yo