I'm playing arceus now
#Pokemon TCG
digital crow
Adp jumpscare
versed jackal
Deck is so good tbh
versed jackal
Agreed
It's one of the many things Pokemon consistently does right
Casual players can pick up powerful decks for literally $15
Plus it's cool as a memory of the year
Im honestly pretty excited to see where Ptcg goes this year
Shifting away from vmax is great
opaque pelican
Well, the cards included can't be used in official tournaments, but yeah
Some legacy printed decks that were the listed decks of that WCS winner's are cool
This got announced.
P sure I don't need to explain Arceus VSTAR. This as per usual is a yearly Trainer's Toolkit, so it'll likely have many other helpful printings of cards used in a lot of decks
nocturne wadi
Found these while moving, don’t know if these things expire. They were from Reyes.
final musk
Wo Chien was brought up in regular Pokémon chat too
Wings of Union so far is just weaker mad party
digital crow
Live wo chien reaction:
final musk
Sprirtomb is kinda headache-inducing that they would need to retroactively have a card that negates the previous mechanic’s cards
It will see play as well, decks won’t pass up on a benched mon that stops Genesect V
opaque pelican
Appropriate that Flamigo has such an attack and ability
Jumpluff always seems to have the worst stat lines but the strangest gimmicks, and this one’s no different
digital crow
Lost zone my beloved
opaque pelican
Noticed that the build and battle box was released but there isn’t any listings for cards yet
Do cards just not go on sale until the set actually is released?
winged latch
should I be funny and ask in the local PTCG scene what LGSes they play in? (Everyone here just collects)
opaque pelican
Yeah, I'm a player surrounded by collectors as well. But that's all fine.
final musk
300 HP, 30 damage resist
Stage 1
Metal is a terrible type post-rotation losing metal saucer tho
Effectively breaks the stage 1 2 prize effective max HP, as regigigas VStar also had 300 HP without a damage resist
opaque pelican
ELEPHANT
winged latch
should I be funny and ask in the local PTCG scene what LGSes they play in? (Ever...
unironically worked btw, there's a LGS 4km from me
little kestrel
260 damage 
opaque pelican
beeg
little kestrel
And 30 damage to your own bench oof 
final musk
260 damage <:Slowpokemonkabeyondomega:939521651954032680>
260 is a great amount of damage, but Metal has no energy acceleration going into next format
Arcanine ex is stuck in the same boat, where 250 damage is great but needing 3 energy on a fire pokemon sucks rn
final musk
Best you can do with either of those is make a dedicated deck with Lost Zone engine and even then you still compete with Goodra VStar for a role
opaque pelican
Yeah, most Earthquake-like attacks always deal damage to your bench.
Thing is in some cases it's never enough to really put your benched mons in danger, so it's barely a downside.
Case in point
This card was practically the king of Heartgold/Soulsilver just cause of a lot of these kinds of things.
Only issue is there isn't a whole lot of things you can do with Copperajah ex. There may be more in the future, but as it stands it's a beatstick through and through.
little kestrel
Ahhh 
this is like a yugiboomer seeing shit like what link cards can do modern pokemon numbers are kind of frightening
opaque pelican
Yeah, numbers have gone way up over the years
That Base Set Charizard ain't nothing compared to the numbers many other cards can pull off
little kestrel
Yeah
wooden coyote
I just started playing Pokémon and have started out with a melmetal v-max deck using the bronzong and Cheryl strategy any tips on maybe winning at a tournament with this deck? Just like locals where most anyone can win they just started up the shop.
wanton mantle
I noticed that Ceruledge's card mentions Pokemon V
are they still gonna make pokemon Vs in the SV era
or is that just because gen 8 has not been rotated out yet
final musk
That'st just cuz gen 8 hasn't rotated out yet
What's rather stupid is that for cards like Ceruledge, it should have honestly just said "Cards with a rule box"
They invented that terminology for themselves last gen and are still bad at using it
wanton mantle
or just say normal pokemon
final musk
Not really a good idea for a development perspective given normal type in the video games
"But what about old expanded two-prizers that don't have as much HP as Vs and new exs"
Well that's on them for power creeping HP meters so drastically in gens 6, 7 and 8.
They also don't seem to care about Expanded given PTCGLive still doesn't support Expanded and PTCGO is on the verge of stopping support of Standard.
wanton mantle
I thought they use the type symbols anyways
and the white color is called colorless officially anyways
final musk
It is, but why would you use wording that could confuse new and/or young players who have played the games?
wanton mantle
fair
opaque pelican
Yeah, honestly at this point phase out the whole thing and just say 'rule box'
Y'know just in case you wanna do some games with stuff like EX, Level X or even those dumb past ex
You got mail
Now watch as all the Mystery Dungeon fans come out of the woodworks
final musk
They limited what Pokémon can make use of it, but holy shit that is scramble energy
Most of the cards revealed here suck, the ruins got their alt arts revealed
Luxray iffy af, but I could see a deck teching Luxray and reversal energy to set up a 180 damage single prizer. Luxray also could be teched into Miraidon ex as a 1-prizer that can logically KO 2 prize basics, but that’s a bit niche.
Tinkaton, Annihilape, and delivery drone all suck. Annihilape namely for being counterintuitive to why you’d want to play a stage 2 Pokémon line with lots of HP.
Tinkaton’s best thing is probably just memeing with lost zone engine, but Iono and judge being a thing really drags it down.
Lemonade’s pretty much just useful in stall considering they were already willing to run Team Yell Towel
final musk
So far Miraidon ex and Gardevoir ex have been the standouts in Japan
Banette is also in the back of people's minds, and some are on copium for Oinkalone
A lot of stuff in western SV2 (Triplet Beat, Clay Burst, and Snow Hazard in Japan) has been rather mediocre to where the standouts are like Foretress ex, Chien Pao ex, and... Drifloon.
Trainer cards are doing much better than the pokemon
I was on copium for Gyarados ex doing anything but Palkia is looking more and more dead.
hearty flame
might build giratina
opaque pelican
hoooly shit that is scramble energy
Also, TINKATON
Also seems like whoever liked Shinx so much is still working on the TCG, cause they can't stop be printing.
opaque pelican
Very nice~
final musk
Went through current New Scramble Energy targets and... well the list ain't that good
In standard that is
Generally you'd either going with a deck centered around Evomancy Orbeetle (Stage 2s) or a Zoroark Box (Stage 1s)
Zoroark Box targets that need Reversal Energy to build their attack are far and few between useful ones.
opaque pelican
Well, having it is nice.
3 energy of any kind is still a pretty helpful comeback card to have.
final musk
For Zoroark, most of your ok attackers are hitting 160 to 180 damage.
The ones that have some notable niche are:
Single Strike Hairyama (100 Damage, 50% chance of living hits)
Magmortar (240, Electivire must be in play)
Electivire (50 Spread)
Bronzong and Daschbun (Immune to Fire, useless rn)
Wailord (Bulkiest of the bunch, but needs an extra energy attachment)
You either end up building the whole deck around Reversal Energy from Magmortar/Electivire or have too few useful cards to justify running it with purpose.
Evomancy Orbeetle is notably just... too slow from setup. It has good targets, but setting up all the stage 2s you'd need from it takes too long.
opaque pelican
I would say a good few dragon cards could use it, since they often need multiple types of energy. But that's a hard bargain.
final musk
Those generally aren't worth it
opaque pelican
Really just makes you wish you had Double Dragon Energy instead
final musk
Most of them are stage 2s and don't have that good of effects
Only one that had a good need for Reversal Energy was Salamance (220 and a built in effect to swap opponent's active).
Garchomp is pointless with Evomancy
Hisuian Goodra is too
Dragonite is just worse Salamance
Dragon stage 1s generally attacked with any 1 energy card already so those didn't need Reversal Energy (Appletun and Flaaple)
opaque pelican
Much as I think Garchomp is overrated, it's super sick how it's ability just makes it nearly invincible until your next turn.
Salamence is pretty hype too, but I don't think you really need that kind of card for it.
opaque pelican
I mean, it's not great, it's a beatstick that can't do very much else other than have it's ability work once, and that's it.
Just, the effect was cool
final musk
Not to mention with how much a pain stage 2s are to set up, you are going for Evomancy which Garchomp can't use its ability from
Playing straight Stage 2 families effectively is coming down to stage 2s that have a devastating support role or a tanky HP meter
opaque pelican
Honestly, that's just kinda a dragon type problem in general
final musk
And most of those that aren't Gardevoir family are still not worth it
opaque pelican
There's a lot of them, but barely any of them are worth actually splashing into decks
No matter how poten their effects are, since you gotta juggle a whole lot of energy and other stuff to get it to work.
final musk
That's a problem with pokemon in general
opaque pelican
It's especially evident with dragons
The few that would use this type of special energy don't fit the criteria, since they're basic mons or have a rule box
Also unrelated but I just love the name of "Double Dragon Energy"
I got way too much Lee Brothers on my mind.
hearty flame
if I have like, 10~ left in deck as Giratina and already have the pieces I need for that turn
do I or do I not do Comfey stuff
hearty flame
sometimes the game hands you lemons turn 1 going second
final musk
if I have like, 10~ left in deck as Giratina and already have the pieces I need ...
If you already have the pieces you need that turn, it’s best to ensure you keep pieces you need and get rid of cards you don’t need from the deck in the event you get hit by something like Marnie. Get the deck as low as reasonably allowable without setting yourself up for a deckout or risking losing pieces you need later in a game.
Knowing what cards you need for a remainder of a game vs what you have left in the deck will come with understanding the deck more
winged latch
wanting to pick up the game online, why am I getting 403s trying to install PTCGL?
final musk
Welcome to Pokemon TCG Live
TCG Live is notably a lot buggier than PTCGO
And was at one point borderline unplayable during open beta
final musk
"But hey this is a good simulator because of all the free stuff it gives you"
Effectively PTCGO is now non-viable for Standard format practice
And from what I'm reading, Expanded mode on PTCGLive is also bugged up the wazoo
hearty flame
what decks do I really need to gun for manaphy vs
final musk
mostly just gonna be for dealing with Radiant Greninja following rotation
Some lost box builds will probably also play Kyogre
hearty flame
also uh
what do I do in the miraidon MU
deck feels infinitely faster than even my best hands
final musk
What box options are you running?
hearty flame
I'm not on lost box
final musk
Oh right people regularly split Giratina from that
hearty flame
Pokémon: 8
3 Giratina V LOR 130
4 Comfey LOR 79
3 Giratina VSTAR LOR 131
2 Sableye LOR 70
1 Manaphy BRS 41
1 Radiant Greninja ASR 46
1 Snorlax LOR 143
2 Cramorant LOR 50
Trainer: 13
2 Switch SVI 194
3 Switch Cart ASR 154
3 Escape Rope BST 125
1 Energy Recycler BST 124
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146
4 Battle VIP Pass FST 225
1 Klara CRE 145
2 Roxanne ASR 150
4 Mirage Gate LOR 163
3 Nest Ball SVI 181
4 Colress's Experiment LOR 155
1 Beach Court SVI 167
2 Boss's Orders BRS 132
Energy: 3
3 Basic {W} Energy SVE 3
4 Basic {G} Energy SVE 1
5 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5
Total Cards: 60
final musk
Pretty much the matches I saw were just aiming to gun Giratina ASAP, get an early lead by KOing an Eleki, and taking advantage over how Sableye gets a free prize off Flaafy
At the same time that's the only time I've seen it beat Miraidon
hearty flame
mu feels awful
bc you're playing an inherently slower deck vs a Miraidon live turn 2
final musk
And unlike Lost Box, Giratina is you big offensive push as a 2 prizer
ie. Crown Zenith Zamazenta can OHKO Miraidon
final musk
How much has Klara come up? You have both that and a recycler
hearty flame
final musk
Your only moderate target for it is Sableye imo
I would think cut the Klara for the 4th water
hearty flame
one more thing
what order do I prioritise doing comfeys, greninja and colress
assuming there's no other supporter that'd be relevant in any given gamestate
final musk
Greninja, Colress, Comfey. Comfey maybe earlier if you have other supporter options you are considering for the turn
And of course Greninja for when you feel you have enough energy / don't need energy for that turn.
With Oranguru rotated, stacking with Oranguru for Comfey or Marnie is also no longer part of the decision tree
So yeah in a vacuum (assuming you would have access to your needed energy anyways)
Greninja, Colress, Comfey
wanton mantle
I noticed unlike the other big three members it doesn’t feel like Pokémon has influenced the industry beyond more indie games
opaque pelican
Turns out I need to replace the Oranguru (SSH) in my deck.
I might need some pointers on some cards I could consider.
versed jackal
Im prolly gonna build Gardevoir ex
opaque pelican
Same
Lot of cool stuff for 151
Also
Alakazam ex – Psychic – HP310
Stage 2 – Evolves from Kadabra
[C][C] Mind Jack: 90+ damage. This attack does 30 more damage for each of your opponent’s Benched Pokemon.
[P][P] Dimensional Manipulation: 120 damage. This Pokemon can use this attack even when it is on the Bench.
Pokemon ex rule: When your Pokemon ex is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
Weakness: Darkness (x2)
Resistance: Fighting (-30)
Retreat: 1
...Excuse me, what?
opaque pelican
Alright yeah, this Alakazam is absurdly funny
opaque pelican
Alright
I realized
Haxorus still hasn’t got a variant with a rule box
Which is just a right shame
Coolest we got was this
1: that artwork tho
2: Dragon Dance jacking it’s damage output that much is just gravy
unkempt rain
Haxorus still hasn’t got a variant with a rule box
How
How did he not receive an EX
The axew from brilliant stars is pretty good tho
final musk
no EX
no GX
no V or VStar when Dragon was brought back into the game last year
hidden ocean
Im prolly gonna build Gardevoir ex
how much would that cost
i wanna get into pkñs and i like grade por
hidden ocean
tf
i thoufjt this game was supposed to be chea
i just spend 260$ on larp swords
j don't have money
final musk
Yeah 80 USD is on the expensive side of things rn, but that's still basically just a small step up from Magic Pauper
If you use the lists from Bangkok regionals as a point of reference, it costs lik 65 on average
Gardevoir ex and regular Gardevoir are the most expensive cards in the deck and they cost like 6-7 bucks each
Lost Box also around 60-70
Miraidon ex is also already down to 7-8 bucks a copy
This set is pretty freakin cheap considering this is release weekend
Silver Tempest had Lugia decks debuting at about 175 USD
Right now, I think the most expensive a deck gets that people will try is Arceus Giratina, which barely cracks 100
If you aren't going for Arceus Giratina, the price of a deck is gonna be on par or cheaper than 1 switch game
Even from a Collector's standpoint of base scarlet violet, the most expensive card in highest rarity is 80 USD already. That's low relative to other packs.
From competitive standpoint, the highest price on any card in its lowest rarity is the aforementioned Miraidon at 8 bucks.
Even Banette ex, which is still at least on the radar this early, is 75 cents a copy
opaque pelican
Yeah, wow, I'm glad I've my set of Gardevoir when I could.
Though as it stands I'll need to find alternative ways to recycle cards in the discard pile, now that Ordinary Rod is long gone.
If anyone's got ideas I'd like to hear them.
hearty flame
I feel like I'm getting outpaced by everything
final musk
Welcome to why Giratina didn't last against Lugia in Silver Tempest format
And why Lost Box Prevailed then
people are still figuring out what to do for these matchups. Giratina's biggest advantage is raw power from its OHKO, but there has to be sacrifice to get there usually.
If that raw power ain't cutting it, you either have to accelerate getting to Giratina's power plays when you need them or play something less prize-heavy like Lost Box.
final musk
CZ Zamazenta: "Shake my Hand"
"Come on boys"
"Won't you shake, a poor Zamazenta's Hand?"
opaque pelican
Apparently some suggestions I got for a replacement for the Ordinary Rod was to use Roseanne’s Backup.
Which, is an admittedly “bleh” idea considering it’s a supporter, but I got no other kinds of suggestions beyond that
final musk
Super Rod's the eventual direct replacement, but that's not coming out til June
pretty much all substitutes are gonna come up short until then
Which are:
Miriam
Klara
Energy Recycler
Energy Retrieval
Roseanne's Backup
And depending on the deck, Rescue Carrier
opaque pelican
Ahhh, gotcha
I guess Energy Recycler will suffice
Thing is, for the plan I want stuff in the deck rather than in hand
versed jackal
On the other hand, this one was too easy
They were playing arc dialga
I don't think they expected me to be able to one shot arceus vstar
opaque pelican
They never expect you to do so
Really curious what kind of Lightning-deck you got going on. Was gonna try making a deck of that kinda type
Was thinking about some silly stuff involving the Raichu from LOR/SIT
final musk
Really curious what kind of Lightning-deck you got going on. Was gonna try makin...
Gonna guess Miraidon. Miraidon/Regieleki is the popular starting point for Lightning rn
opaque pelican
I could try that, yeah
Regieleki V's attack reducing damage taken by a massive 100 is super cool.
HERE'S CYBER DR-i mean IRON VALIANT
versed jackal
Really curious what kind of Lightning-deck you got going on. Was gonna try makin...
I can send it tonight, it's miraidon leki
opaque pelican
Righto
versed jackal
Righto
Pokémon: 8
3 Regieleki V SIT 57
1 Drapion V CRZ-GG 49
1 Flying Pikachu VMAX CEL 7
1 Flying Pikachu V CEL 6
1 Luxray V ASR 50
1 Raikou V CRZ-GG 41
3 Miraidon ex SVI 244
3 Regieleki VMAX SIT 58
Trainer: 15
1 Switch Cart ASR 154
1 Escape Rope BUS 163
2 Serena SIT 164
2 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
4 Electric Generator SVI 170
1 Nest Ball SVI 255
1 Exp. Share SVI 174 PH
2 Nest Ball SVI 181
1 Choice Belt BRS 135 PH
4 Ultra Ball BRS 150
2 Beach Court SVI 167
2 Boss's Orders RCL 154
4 Professor's Research CEL 24
3 Judge FST 235
2 Arven SVI 249
Energy: 1
14 Basic {L} Energy SVE 4
Total Cards: 60
versed jackal
yeah you can sit on him if you have to
opaque pelican
Been debating on Tapu Koko V and VMAX as well. Given how the theming for the Scarlet/Violet sets seems to be making comebacks, I'd assume it's attacks would work well with future support, yeah?
opaque pelican
Ahh, righto~
versed jackal
this man is about to get destroyed
opaque pelican
you bring the thunder
hearty flame
@versed jackal wanna play at some point?
final musk
Pokémon: 8
3 Regieleki V SIT 57
1 Drapion V CRZ-GG 49
1 Flying Pikachu VMAX CEL ...
I gotta ask, was this exported from ptcg live? The category numbers don’t line up despite being 60 cards lol
versed jackal
<@207391014774767616> wanna play at some point?
Ye sure
versed jackal
I gotta ask, was this exported from ptcg live? The category numbers don’t line u...
Yes
opaque pelican
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/04/therapy-energy-from-clay-burst
That name though
final musk
As comments already brought up, this is a very useful tech in Lugia to deal with Paralysis and possibly get them off needing/wanting to play Bird Keeper
This would have been really stupid pre-rotation on account that Paralysis decks were a big early answer to Lugia before it regularly added Bird Keeper. Bird Keeper wasn't as direct to pull out of the deck as this for Lugia.
My Palkia Copium levels continually drop
opaque pelican
…So let’s see, what kind of Poké Ball hasn’t gotten a card of it yet?
opaque pelican
Did some looking and I think the one ball we’ve not had yet was the Love Ball… which I’m unsure what it would even do, the Safari Ball, and each of the other unique kinds of balls out there
(Such as the Park Ball, Sport Ball, and some others)
final musk
Say what I might about the lack of mechanically interesting stuff in packs, this gen is knocking it out of the park with card art
little kestrel
+100hp 
final musk
The card itself needs a better form of energy acceleration, 3 metal (to get 100 HP) and a fourth energy isn’t worth it with how bad metal acceleration is right now
Metal acceleration right now is lost zone engine and magnezone.
Lost box already has Zamazenta as a better metal attacker, and Magnezone is pretty bad
If this card were compatible with Reversal Energy, would have loved it.
final musk
Snow Hazard / Clay Burst final reveals starting
First confirmation: Dragon type is already back
No full card art shown yet, but a clip of Noivern ex confirms it
final musk
Got the list up rn
Noivern and Slowking are the last ex reveals in the set
Slowking is pretty lame by the looks of it
versed jackal
Effects?
final musk
The quick translate suggests:
1 Psychic: 30, confuses opponent's pokemon
2 Psychic: 130, searches 2 cards from deck
final musk
Not that good when N returns
opaque pelican
Though, given this is a translation it might just not be only 'cards'
Pretty alright ex, not too amazing but not terrible.
final musk
Iono is gonna be virtually a staple and is Marnie meets N, which stacks whatever you search to the bottom of the deck
It's not worthwhile
opaque pelican
Eeyep
final musk
Like every tera
little kestrel
1 psyshic 30 dam confuses other pokemon
final musk
I... already did that part
opaque pelican
It's a thing for most mons under Terastalization that get this benefit.
final musk
It's not that good lol
opaque pelican
Yeah, it's a pretty neat attack
Only problem is that it doesn't really do much damage
opaque pelican
It's really easy to add stuff from the deck to the hand in Pokemon
final musk
There's a mulligan staple that invalidates this card coming out the same set
final musk
Other remaining ex is Noivern:
little kestrel
Right
opaque pelican
Just thought to ping and let you know~
versed jackal
That's some funky energy requirements
Double turbo is still here yes?
Or did it rotate
opaque pelican
I still like how dragon-types tend to stay the same when it comes to energy requirements
final musk
2CE: 70, this pokemon cannot take damage from basic pokemon's attacks next turn
DP: 140, opponent can't play Special Energy or Stadium next turn
opaque pelican
Noivern seems to always require Psychic and Darkness energy
...Ehhhh... yeah, this Noivern ain't a winner.
final musk
Regidrago has a good ass answer to Mew now
versed jackal
Honestly pretty solid
final musk
Regidrago is still inconsistent af, but Noiven is a good tech for it
opaque pelican
Well, when you put it this way
Yeah, I can see Regidrago VSTAR making some good use of this
I'm still mulling over what kinds of Dragon-types I can use just so I can ditch them into the discard pile for Regidrago
final musk
... I've talked about that a lot on here before
opaque pelican
Wait, really? Huh.
final musk
On its own it's passable, but I think Regidrago VStar gets better mileage out of it
opaque pelican
Only gripe here is most mons have abilities that also confer this kind of protection, but this looks pretty alright
Ahh.
little kestrel
I love how pokemon tcg just operates on a whole different level than any of the cardgames I'm used to
versed jackal
I mean it invalidates miraidon/koraidon
opaque pelican
So, having this as an attack gives Regidrago more ammo for their usage
versed jackal
It's pretty cute
versed jackal
Miraidon just actually autoloses to this tbh
opaque pelican
Yeah, Pokemon is summed up as very basic.
versed jackal
Unless you tech flying Pikachu vmax
opaque pelican
Not a bad thing, actually very much the opposite
versed jackal
I do
opaque pelican
It's simple to play and that means you got a good bar for learning how to play
final musk
Doing a quick search to see if there's any other useful pokemon
There's a lot of attacks that depend on the opponent not switching... sucks
opaque pelican
...Also just realized that this Noivern ex has no retreat cost
That
Is pretty cool
final musk
This one's pretty cool in Baxcalibur
Fuck, forgot we already have a better Eiscue
opaque pelican
Eyyyyy Eiscue
final musk
3 Water: Discard all energy, resists 100 damage next turn
opaque pelican
Wow, that's nice
versed jackal
...Also just realized that this Noivern ex has no retreat cost
Lots of flying Pokemon have little to no retreat cost
opaque pelican
Yeah, that's one trend I've been noticing
final musk
I will swing back to it after decent cards, but there is a very disappointing Veluza
opaque pelican
Seems like it's a thing for most flying things to have no retreat cost. Especially seems prevalent in Scyther.
opaque pelican
Eyyy, Mimikyu
final musk
Ability: Takes no damage from opponent's V or ex pokemon
opaque pelican
I'd say it works a bit better than Miltank, since it prevents damage from ex and V.
final musk
There's too much stuff floating around that can bypass it
opaque pelican
But still a ways off from being commonplace.
final musk
Miltank fell off hard when Silver Tempest dropped
Attack is meh, PC, place 7 damage counter on active.
I need a better translation for this
Select up to 2 "Goods" and "Pokémon Tools" from your trash, show them to your opponent, and add them to your hand.
If that isn't limited to one of each, we basically got Junk Hunt Sableye with extra steps
opaque pelican
I keep seeing this Sableye around
final musk
Junk Hunt Sableye was a fantastic stall card back a few gens ago
final musk
It recycled stall-heavy item cards that locked the opponent's draws
opaque pelican
Ahhh.
I wouldn't have guessed since it looks like it couldn't do much else but fetch item cards
final musk
This polteageist doesn't have a good item base for it rn, but it is sleeper
Here's something that is efficient, but not that sufficient
opaque pelican
BIRB
final musk
1 fire: 70, if it has any damage on it, +90
final musk
in practice, this is like... barely enough to work decently
but stage 2s need to do more than that
We've already seen this one, but it is one of the better cards in the set
Ability: If this pokemon is in play, your opponent's V pokemon have no abilities
Shits on Mew VMax, stops Lugia VStar from setting up Archeops.
Attack is just 10 + bounces itself
This one's alright, but idk what would go out of their way for the ability
final musk
When it moves from the bench to the active, Boss an opponent's basic pokemon
Which is... eh
little kestrel
Reading other cardgame text is always fun
final musk
Stage 2 so too hard to upkeep over a whole game, but this is a better amount of power
little kestrel
230 damage
final musk
Single Dark: 30 + 30 per opponent's bench
Double Dark: 230, mill 4 from your deck
Too hard to upkeep, but 230 is a good number to hit
opaque pelican
Yeah, a lot of stage 2 mons have absurd attacks and abilities for the effort you often need to get them.
Tyranitar stands out as a darkness mon that just has absurd attacks in a lot of cases, among other darkness cards
Basically, it's to darkness what Charizard is to Fire
final musk
That's basically anything worthwhile or half decent that wasn't already revealed
Mostly an underwhelming pack
opaque pelican
Only I think in a lot of cases, you aren't gimping yourself so much since the worst cost these ones have is to just discard top cards from your deck
Whereas for Charizard you are often throwing away a good chunk of energy attached to it just to do an attack
final musk
I would say the most worthwhile cards from the set are:
**Chien Pao ex **(Searches water energy for water decks, attack is a mini Kyurem VMax)
Baxcalibur (Rain Dance.)
**Polteageist **(Sleeper pick for if stall gets a good item set)
Copperajah ex (Sleeper, maybe some unhinged Lost Box deck. Good attack, great HP and ability, Metal Energy Acceleration sucks outside Lost Engine)
Forretress ex (New suicide Energy Accelerator card, favorite card in the set)
Mimikyu (Sleeper, needs a better format for it.
Luxray (Pairs really well with Reversal Energy)
Spiritomb (Probably the best pokemon in the set, screws over Mew)
Super Rod (Slightly different Ordinary Rod. Really needed this after Ordinary Rod rotated)
Motivational Lemonade (Healing card for Stall)
Charm of Courage (literally Cape of Toughness)
Iono (New staple supporter. N, but it stacks your previous hand on the bottom of the deck instead of shuffling)
Reversal Energy (Nerfed Scramble Energy)
Therapy Energy (Lugia's answer to Paralyze decks should they ever resurface)
I also have mixed feelings on:
Squakabilly ex (replacement for Dedenne GX, but only works turn 1)
Ting Lu ex (You can build a stun deck around it, but we already have the easier to use Klefki from Scarlet/Violet)
Cetitan (hits 220 off Reversal Energy, beefy 1 prizer)
This card depresses me
1 Water 3 Colorless: 120. If you have no cards in hand, the attack cost becomes 1 water instead.
120 is not good enough for an attacker like this to be worthwhile.
We have Hisuian Arcanine already, which does 160 for free if you have no hand.
And Arcanine barely even cuts it on damage, let alone the strategy being inconsistent
Card search in Japanese, first 4 pages up to Pikachu ex make up the 2 packs
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/04/all-snow-hazard-and-clay-burst-main-set-cards-revealed
Eventual page of all translations
opaque pelican
This is an Infernity
opaque pelican
...Yknow I really would love to see themes which your strategy would revolve around having no cards in your hand
The effects would need to be very, very good for such a drawback though
final musk
Last card worth mentioning and was revealed prior
opaque pelican
Whale~
final musk
WWC: 80, if it has any special energy, +140
Another good card for Reversal energy
opaque pelican
Ok wow that's a big hit
final musk
Honestly tho Reversal Energy as a strategy isn't that consistent rn
opaque pelican
A shame Wash Energy has long since been gone, but reversal can work
final musk
At best it seems like a Janky Lugia deck
Reversal Energy's best targets are essentially:
Cetitan (220)
Magmortar (240 if Electivire is in play)
Electivire (50 Spread)
and Luxray (180, can be played from hand if behind in prizes)
There's also other typed pokemon that hit 160-180 for weakness, like Steelix for fighting
It ends up becoming a Zoroark Box deck, but the energy lineup is situational and lacking consistency
Not to mention Zoroark Box got nerfed with rotation losing Quick Ball and Evo Incense
I'm taking Eiscue off the relevance list, I forgot there was already a better Eiscue
Promotional card shown off tonight as well, this is awful
Shuffle hand into deck, draw 7.
You can only use this card if your opponent’s active Pokémon is poisoned.
wanton mantle
It's really easy to add stuff from the deck to the hand in Pokemon
Yeah it’s all fair cause you kinda need it for your deck to function
Or rather all Pokémon decks
opaque pelican
Card's alright.
...The condition kills it's usability, but I can think of a few ways to run this in decks that usually can leave mons poisoned
final musk
Card's alright.
card's pretty damn bad when there are supporters that do nearly the same effect with no condition
Grusha does almost the exact same thing and the condition for it is way less specific, have no energy in play
And that card is lackluster too
The only pokemon that can even close to reliably set up poison for that supporter are Clodsire ex and Garbodor.
Both of those are stage 1 evolution pokemon, so no using Alister turn 1
And both of those require that a stadium also be in play
Poisoning with an attack is really unreliable for this supporter given how often switching and retreating occur in the game
.
On a different note, started brainstorming Forretress ex stuff. Gameplans so far feel best with either Regidrago VStar and its toolbox of options OR Serperior VStar + Blissey V
Offensively, math works out well from Forretress doing 120 damage, followed up by either:
- Regidrago hitting with Goodra VStar's attack for 200 or 230
- Serperior VStar hitting 190-220 from Regal Blender and continuing game from there.
As a preface, Wo Chien is way less a core attacker and more a tech for Serperior.
Defensively, talking Forretress:
Forretress reasonably can live 1 attack and only 1 attack from most decks.
Forretress will live 2 attacks, possibly 3, from Lost Box unless Zamazenta is in the deck. If Zamazenta is in the deck, Forretress risks KO in 2 hits.
The worst matchup: Forretress will not live a hit from Tyranitar V in Lugia Vstar. That can reach 300-320 damage in 1 hit. This will happen often.
Another fear: Mewtwo VUnion can hit for 300. This is a variant for Gardevoir ex, but doesn't set up that quickly.
Another fear: Giratina can auto-KO Forretress. Less likely since Giratina first needs 10 Lost Zone, but can still happen.
Another fear: Drifloon in Gardevoir can theoretically set up 300 hit attacks, but it is a bunch to set up.
The biggest difference between Serperior VStar/Blissey and Regidrago is that with Goodra's defense buff, Regidrago basically cannot be OHKO'd outside of Giratina VStar. There is some stuff that can reach 300 to knock out Blissey V (with Charm of Courage attached) like above with Forretress ex, and a lot more stuff that can OHKO Serperior at 270 damage.
Regidrago, however, can take up to 340 damage before it gets KO'd assuming you use Goodra's attack.
Regidrago, however, demands more setup. It calls into question whether it is simply just better to use Arceus Regidrago.
I tried mocking up a deck build for Forretress with Serperior VStar and Blissey V, and one of the biggest gripes is that the deck desperately needs Radiant Gardevoir for dealing better with Mew VMax, Giratina VStar, and Tyranitar V. Blissey also gets destroyed by Lugia's Stonejourner.
My other big gripe with that kinda deck was that searchpower sucks rn outside of Arven, and the only card that can reasonbly search Arven in this strategy (Lumineon V) is a pretty decent risk to a deck that is already trying to focus on tanking .
Offensively, Serperior VStar's second attack might as well Auto KO and swap into something that isn't a risk to lose, and Blissey builds momentum after the first attack. There's little problem there as long as Serperior and Blissey can live attacks.
Seperior can also move energy almost freely to avoid going bankrupt from something getting KO'd.
TLDR; I really don't trust Forretress Box as a deck when most pokemon that would be involved in the toolbox can't live more than 1 hit. The idea of the deck would have some rough af matchups.
I don't know if I trust Regidrago VStar / Forretress ex when Arceus Regidrago is already a thing.
runic kiln
Apparently a scandal happened at a regional large enough for TPC to make a statement?
final musk
I'm gonna guess this is over what happened at Charlotte
TLDR;
- a top playing senior who just entered Masters division was asked for pronouns before a streamed match
- Gave 2 pronouns, accidentally got hung up thinking about a 3rd pronoun, laughed it off
- Judge who was taking the information deemed it offensive behavior as laughing at the idea of pronouns
- Head Judge agreed with this, without speaking to either player in the match, and the dude was given a DQ with virtually no appeal opportunity
runic kiln
Yeah that
I just don't get how you can possibly see a nervous demeanour from a 17 year old about THEIR OWN pronouns
final musk
Only reason I found out about this was from following his opponent, Alex Schemanske, who was a top 20 player.
Verlisify stupidly thought to harass him of all people.
runic kiln
As transphobic
runic kiln
Only reason I found out about this was from following his opponent, Alex Scheman...
Verlisify is Verlisify
final musk
Yeah he is a fucking drama mongering moron
runic kiln
I mean to me it just looks like a comically shit ruling
final musk
It felt like a massive failing from the Head Judge not to even attempt to allow appeal or get another side of the issue
Still nowhere near as malicious as what happened at Texas with their judge, but this was poorly conducted altogether
rich pine
Someone was dq’d for laughing at their own nervousness? 
final musk
People make mistakes obviously, and while I think that was very judgmental to jump to transphobic off that, there are measures in place to at least make gray cases be looked at and mediated.
They didn't attempt to mediate that
Dude also flew in from out of country
final musk
As in he listed He/Him and accidentally tried to list a third in nervousness
final musk
Even if it were something grayer, jumping straight to DQ and no appeal was really bad.
final musk
Reads the statement
Yup, it's about transparency regarding rulings like this and improving how to communicate with players involved
wanton mantle
Heck he could have tried to joke in an innocent way but decided not to
Either way it’s horrendous this happened
digital peak
new trademarks (very likely tcg set names)
@little kestrel ya know what that first one reminds me of? 
wanton mantle
Cyber Judge?
digital peak
Cyber Judge?
Paradox sets
wanton mantle
The only digital pokemon I can think of are Rotom and... he who should not be named
final musk
Yeah they are likely Paradox sets
wanton mantle
oh yeah Future Paradoxes are robots
final musk
Similar timing to when Gen 7 released Ultra Beast set
digital peak
so wildforce gonna have past paradoxes, and cyber judge future paradoxes
wanton mantle
maybe Robot Judge
or Iron Judge
to fit with how all Future Paradoxes have Iron in their name
final musk
Cover are more than like Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant
digital peak
possibly even ex versions of Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
digital peak
Paradox Future ^
wanton mantle
is this some weird reference to something like terminator
final musk
Most of the set names in Japan, and often in western release, just come down to throwing two cool words together that sorta sound like a theme
Next set to come out is called Raging Surf for instance
final musk
Cover are more than like Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant
Wait nope nope, forgot
This is the second set for featuring paradox pokemon
final musk
The first is Future Flash / Ancient Roar
The first set is probably Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant
The second is probably Iron Leaves and Walking Wake or something
These sets are still pretty long out tho
Ancient Roar and Future Flash aren't until August/September
And Cyber Judge and Wild Force are after that
Raging Surf is in mid-May
Then Pokemon 151 in June
Ruler of Black Flame (ft Charizard from the Pokemon May Cry series) in late July
Given that we are gonna have 2 pairs of sets almost back to back, and the potential third pack for western would be mostly comprised of side sets, it legit just feels like they shoehorned Charizard's product into the summer and probably effed up western releases in the process
Paldea Evolved is gonna be Clay Burst, Snow Hazard, and Triplet Beat most likely
The third western set would then likely be Raging Surf, Ruler of the Black Flame, and either Pokemon 151 or a set of starter deck material
little kestrel
Hah Wild Force
little falcon
How can they trademark a Power Rangers team
final musk
Reversal Energy's best targets are essentially:
Cetitan (220)
Magmortar (240 if...
Spent a bit more time looking this over. The other target that is also really solid with it is Rapid Strike Jumpluff. That deck has problems with its better attacks being 2 energy attachments and this would partially address that issue.
(The 2 energy attacks being rapid strike scrolls of swirls and skies, which do notably more damage than Jumpluff’s regular attack.)
opaque pelican
I had this idea once
It was jank but I loved this idea
Jumpluff just seems to have the worst stats but the oddest gimmicks
final musk
The main reason Jumpluff is jank is how many pieces it needs to set up for its attacks
2 energy attachments
stage 1
and a tool card
Is a lot to ask for a single prize deck. It runs out of steam and bricks somewhere.
"But Jumpluff is a stage 2"
Skipbloom has an ability that lets it immediately evolve into Jumpluff when you attach an energy to it.
It also pulls that Jumpluff out of the deck.
On paper, Gravdrop does enough damage with Jumpluff's 2 attacks to knock out almost any relevant 2 or 3 prizer in one turn.
220 to anything with 2 energy, 320 to anything with 3 energy.
The only currently relevant multi-prize pokemon that live hits from Jumpluff at their expected amount of energy are Mew VMax, Goodra VStar, Giratina VStar, and Regieleki V. Duraludon VMax lives too, but it is not clear if this is a viable card (currently leaning towards no.) Giratina VStar also only lives if it pisses away its energy cards. There's also Chien Pao ex, but we have literally no data on that being a good deck or not. I'm not confident in it either. I'm also not confident in Forretress ex being good either.
Arceus? 320 damage
Anything Arceus attaches to? 320 damage
Zacian V? At least 320 damage.
Attacking Gardevoir ex? 320 damage.
Miraidon ex? 320 damage.
Raikou V? 220 damage, which is still an OHKO
Dragonite V teched in Lost Box? 320 damage.
Some awoken individual playing Dialgazone? You hit that for 260 damage on each hit.
Lugia? 420 damage.
Mewtwo VUnion? If it didn't obliterate all your attackers in one shot, you hit him for 420 damage.
Single Strike Box Options for Lugia? 320 damage before the second hit.
Mew also becomes a more questionable deck pick with Paldea Evolved assuming Spiritomb is in that set.
That generally leaves the biggest threats being Goodra VStar, Regieleki V, and single prize attackers particularly Lost Box.
Goodra might as well be auto-loss.
Miraidon is already a high roller deck and I'd think that some people who play it would autopilot into the VMax anyways.
Lost Box has its say on which way the wind blows, since Jumpluff has another tool it can use:
The only decks that have relevant manaphy ordeals are... lost zone decks themselves. Mewtwo VUnion doesn't care, Sableye doesn't care, and there's no other big name bench snipers besides Radiant Greninja rn.
Jumpluff can use Swirls to start hitting everything the opponent has for 60, which can be opportunistic with Hawlucha in getting ahead of Lost Box by obliterating their Comfeys. Swirls is also devastating against some mew builds by totalling Genesects, albeit it is dependent on Oricorio.
Of course, once again, this is all on paper and the deck has a lot of moving parts to get there and stay there.
opaque pelican
Ok wow that’s a wall alright
And yeah
I would love to do something with Jumpluff and Rapid Strike tools
It just sounds so stupid and I’m all for it
Only issue now is currently the only recourse I got is to run some Lightning Energy on the side on top of Rapid-Strike energy, since other kinds of Special Energy are still a ways off
final musk
The energy it can pick from is:
Grass Energy
Lightning Energy
Spiral Energy (Rainbow Energy for Rapid Strike)
Rapid Strike Energy (Double fighting for this deck)
Reversal Energy
Grass and/or Lightning are required, at least before Reversal Energy comes out, since Raihan is crucial for setting up a second energy attachment
You also shouldn't play EXP Share in this deck because you need to attach other tools to Jumpluff
The main issue with the deck rn is maintaining momentum for the entire game. Reversal Energy makes number of times you need to attach drop from 2 to 1, since it can meet the cost of anything Jumpluff uses for an attack. But, Reversal Energy isn't that searchable.
Octillery can search Spiral Energy or Rapid Strike Energy, and Energy Search (and by extension Arven) can search the basic energy.
opaque pelican
Oh right I forgot Spiral Energy was a thing
Huh!
Keeps Jumpluff from being Paralyzed too… if that uh, is ever relevant I guess. Likely not
opaque pelican
Y’know these tools made me realized
Is there a card that allows you to put a tool card attached to your cards into your hand, and swap it out with another in your hand?
Or something similar?
Just, the idea of swapping out tools on the fly without your card needing to leave the field sounds cool
final musk
There was a Magearna back in SM that did that, but nothing rn
opaque pelican
Ahh
final musk
I’m pretty sure with Jumpluff you also have to immediately attack again after the first attack
opaque pelican
Well, to be fair there isn’t much you can do but attack again if you’ve got everything else for the turn done. Still, eh
final musk
Once you attack you don’t go back
opaque pelican
Eeyep
opaque pelican
Alright, bit of a question
You think I should stock up on a few out-of-rotation cards just in case?
Just, in case we get newer printings of cards like Blacksmith, Net Ball or something
final musk
Most cards of that kind are too cheap that stocking up isn't really worth it
digital crow
Just wondering
How much is evolutions zard going for?
Since people essentially hype up everything that even slightly ressembles base set stuff to oblivion
versed jackal
Since people essentially hype up everything that even slightly ressembles base s...
Like $50 usd
opaque pelican
Eeyep
I think it wasn't always like that. The whole hype around Base Set drove this thing way up.
What's really funny is that this card is more expensive than the Charizard EX and M Charizard EX in the set
versed jackal
Lol so I've been trying wugtrio mill
With the new energy coming out soon this might be real
opaque pelican
Mill seems like it'd work
I remember Durant having a frequent stint in deck destruction, so this might be no different
final musk
that was not frequent lol
Among 13 Durant, 4 are mill based
1 from BW
2 from XY
1 from SwSh
Both the XY durant were pretty bad too
Wugtrio seems plausible just from how much it can mill, but I don't think Wug has enough support around it to be that threatening consistently.
What's sad is that it honestly looks like one of the better decks to emerge from Paldea Evolved, even if Wugtrio was in S/V itself.
Paldea Evolved, from the expected contents we've seen, is pretty lackluster for new pokemon.
versed jackal
Wugtrio seems plausible just from how much it can mill, but I don't think Wug ha...
The triple energy if you're behind in prizes should be very solid for it
final musk
yeah, but evolution searching sucks rn
that's its main problem moving forward. It has 1 really good unsearchable energy card and the pitfall of being a deck really reliant on needing constant evos
versed jackal
Tbf you have ultra and level ball
To grab wug
So not too terrible
If you get behind on pacing then it super sucks
final musk
oh right its 90 HP
still worried about the energy, but that's certainly better from what I thought
opaque pelican
Well, yeah, dunno why I said frequent when it should have been like 'brief'
I don't know of other kinds of deck destruction cards out there, but that one was the bigger from what i remember
Seems Wugtrio might continue the gamestyle, but it does need more of a gameplan.
final musk
Is there a card that allows you to put a tool card attached to your cards into y...
I realized I missed a card that does this
opaque pelican
Ah, what card is that?
Oooooh
That's cool.
This legit might be a nice stadium for Jumpluff Equip decks
final musk
Probably not much for Jumpluff but maybe something down the road
Jumpluff is getting KO'd in one turn as it is
opaque pelican
The flame that burns twice as bright lives half as long!
...Or something along those lines
final musk
All the secret rare card art for Snow Hazard / Clay Burst is up now
once again stressing that if Pokemon TCG is doing anything right this gen, its card art
opaque pelican
Yeah, art just slaps
Especially love how just about any card can get the ful art treatment
final musk
With what pokemon are getting arts, assuming that their goal by the end of SV is that every paldean pokemon has at least 1 Collector's Rare / Collector's Secret Rare this gen
opaque pelican
Just gonna say this happened just now and it was amazing pulling this
little falcon
I like how a side character at best in the games is the most expensive just cause waifu
opaque pelican
One thing I was wondering
The Eevee in Astral Radiance has an ability that allows it to immediately evolve should any other Eevee evolve.
What gets me thinking, is the existence of ex
Considering how one character in Scarlet/Violet is a real fan of Eevee, I can probably say with confidence there may be some cards like say, Glaceon ex, Flareon ex and Sylveon ex coming soon-ish.
opaque pelican
Slowking~
opaque pelican
You wanna know something stupid I noticed?
There's like two cards that can be used in standard that deal more damage with their attacks for each damage counter and is a psychic-type
This good boy
...And this.
Just, the hillarity factor; that Drifloon can crack bigger damage with the whole damage counter plan than a V.
...Admittedly it has less HP, but I feel like it takes much less effort to get to big numbers with Drifloon than it does with Granbull V
final musk
As of right now both of them are inferior to Zacian V, who hits 60+30 per energy
However, Drifloon gets significantly better when Brave Amulet comes out
Drifloon without HP buffs only hits for 180, but with Brave Amulet it can hit up to 300 off Gardevoir ex setup
ie.
If each of them had 3 energy from Gardevoir and took 20 damage from each one attached:
Granbull V hits for 190
Zacian V hits for 150
Drifloon V hits for 180
If each of them had 5 energy from Gardevoir:
Granbull V hits for 190 still
Zacian V for 210
And Drifloon rn would be knocked out. With Brave Amulet, Drifloon hits for 300 in this case.
And the big ones for knocking important pokemon out in 1 hit:
Drifloon can knock out:
Most basic 2-prizers with 4 energy and 1 tool
Any Stage-1 2-prizer with 5 energy and 1 tool
Can hit up to 300 damage from Gardevoir plays, and can hit up to 330 if you somehow get 1 more damage counter on it.
Zacian V can knock out:
Most basic 2-prizers with 6 energy
Most stage-1 2-prizers with 8 energy
Can hit up to 360 damage with 10 energy.
Granbull can knock out:
Most basic 2-prizers with 10 energy and 1 tool
Cannot knock out stage 1 2 prizers.
Can hit up to 270 damage with 12 energy. You would need additional setup for him to do 280 maximum.
TLDR; Castform gets much better with Paldea Evolved in June but isn't good right now
Zacian is the standard attacker rn
Granbull is completely outclassed for what Gardevoir does
opaque pelican
Ahhh. Good statistics
Jeez, I'm impressed how you can pump these things out so fast.
final musk
Day 1 done of EUIC
Day 2 entries:
36 Lugia
25 Lost Box
18 Goodra
17 Mew
16 Gardevoir
10 Giratina
7 Arceus (6 Arctina, 1 ArcPika by the sound of it?)
3 Miraidon
5 Other
(21 no desk listed)
opaque pelican
Jeez, with Lugia VSTAR around so much, you'd think there'd be more of a surgence of decks around lightning
final musk
Lost Box plays Raikou V
opaque pelican
Oh, yeah
final musk
And is a lot less likely to run out of steam than Miraidon
I guessed older decks being better than newer decks correctly, but I underestimated Gardevoir, overestimated Banette and Miraidon.
I also thought Lugia would be too bricky to play but that's been proven wrong tenfold.
Goodra is mostly there as an answer to Lost Box
opaque pelican
For Gardevoir, it's just super flexible from what I noticed.
final musk
it's slow, but Gardevoir basically removes an entire element of the game
opaque pelican
You got the Gardevoir from CRE, a few Gallade to choose from, the aformentioned Zacian V and Drifloon stuff and of course the key card of Gardevoir ex
And it's super easy to just slam down like 4 or so Kirlia given one Kirlia has an attack that just lets you place Kirlia from your deck to the bench
That they have a built-in engine for getting you more cards to work with helps so much
final musk
Gallade has been played very little, it's mainly Gardevoir, Gardevoir ex, Zacian V, and the stallheavy Kelfki
opaque pelican
It's never gonna be the same when set E rotates out, sadly.
final musk
I want E block out so we can get rid of Mew
opaque pelican
...Ok, that on the other hand, is a valid wish
final musk
The 5 decks under other are 4 stall decks and Rapid Strike Urshifu
Sander Wojcik, probably the game's best stall player, is using a list that basically memes on people with various energy denial and retreat locking.
Yveltal and Crushing Hammer for energy denial
Ralts (Flip coin for paralysis), Mawile (block retreat) and Ditto (copies those 2).
Klefki was already called a bad card a lot going into this tournament, and Sander's deck basically makes the opponent opening a Klefki an auto-win for him.
final musk
Top 8 underway
Miraidon squeezed into top 8.
Also Alex is labeled Arc Duraludon but it's also got 2 Drapion + Alolan Vulpix so it's nowhere near the usual Tank Duraludon play
Deck seems like it is deisgned to utterly shit on Mew which I am happy about
Dura is definitely for Lugia since all Lugia can do to it now is use Single Strike Urshifu VMax or Duraludon, which isn't even played all that often
Or Path, which has counterplay
final musk
Semifinals underway, Schmanske is in finals.
Pablo Meza leads for the other semifinals match and if he wins, pretty sure Schemanske takes the finals pretty free
Meza played a great game 1 in semis tho
Meza bricks game 2
Welp
Pablo almost completely bricks again. Tord also played an insane game 3.
Well at least finals is more up in the air, Gardevoir ex vs Arceus Box
final musk
Pablo Meza leads for the other semifinals match and if he wins, pretty sure Sche...
Tord went into finals, but Schmanske still took it
Alex broke his second place curse, beating basically the best player in the game to do it
final musk
Winner: Arceus Box (Duraludon VMax, Vulpix VStar, Drapion Vs)
Second Place: Gardevoir ex
3/4: Lost Box and Mew VMax
5-8: Goodra, Miraidon, both Lugia
Bubbled from Top 8 were:
2 Goodra
2 Lost Box
2 Mew
1 Gardevoir
1 Arceus deck (unknown variant)
I would guess if anything about the meta changes down the road, Miraidon dies out
Took a top 8 but was almost absent from day 2
Oinkalonge ex and Banette ex both did nothing
Rogue for this one was pretty much people trying to figure out what the best stall deck would be
final musk
I would guess if anything about the meta changes down the road, Miraidon dies ou...
The other thing will probably be dwindling popularity in Giratina.
At least the Lost Zone build of it. Maybe it would pick up more if Goodra saw a big surge, but i doubt that happens
final musk
More detail on top cut breakdown
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The winning deck build also got 10th place and 48th place so it was a pretty well discussed meta call.
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Almost every high placing Lost Box deck was some variation of a water-themed Lost Box deck (ie. playing Mirage Gate and working with various attackers centered around water type).
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Except for the one that made top 8, which was the return of Sablzard, a heavy hitter from 6 months ago that all but dried up by Silver Tempest.
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Of the 5 Gardevoir that made top 32, 3 of them were the Mewtwo VUnion build. The Zacian build was the one that made second by Tord Reklev.
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An Urshifu Inteleon player made 11th. I didn't catch it bubbling out on account that it was a win too far down going into the last round. There were only 3 Ursh-Inteleon that made day 2.
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Miraidon only had 4 people make day 2. It was one of the most popular decks at the tournament, so it was likely because it was easy to pick up and just rely on high rolling. The biggest loser of EUIC with how many entered with it.
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Stall's best placement was 31st with Sander Wojcik, who is considered the game's best stall player. The build focused on playing a big box of stall options for different matchups, and its main attraction was comboing Mimikyu V with Penny to put an immune pokemon in the active for multiple turns in a row
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I have to put my foot in my mouth when I said Duraludon/Urshifu wasn't common in Lugia. the best 3 placing Lugia decks all had Duraludon.
versed jackal
* The winning deck build also got 10th place and 48th place so it was a pretty w...
How does stall even work in Ptcg
Like, what's the win con
final musk
Find a situation where the opponent is unable to do damage to you and runs out of cards trying to deal with whatever answer you put up
Yveltal was extremely popular for that purpose early in Silver Tempest since there was no way to recover special energy and Mew/Lugia were the most prominent decks
Mewtwo VUnion often did this by putting up enough HP recovery to just gatekeep decks on account of not doing enough damage.
Sander's list for this tournament is fucking wild since it includes like 10 options to keep in the active
- YVeltal gets rid of special energy in the mew matchup
- Mimikyu stalls for time
- Ursaluna walls for an extra turn or 2 against low-damage attacks, like Cramorant in Lost Box
- Crabominable Mills
- Mawile is specifically to fuck over Gardevoir ex by locking junk in the active spot. Can also lock other pokemon to the active once the opponent runs out of switch cards.
- Manaphy lets you fill your opponent's bench with junk pokemon
- Eleki adds back crucial items
- Shadow Rider can hard lock important stadiums such as Training Court to prevent easy retreat, or put mew builds without Fusion Energy to complete rest
- Miltank becomes a wincon if the opponent has no answers to it
- Ditto can copy other attacks
I'm still trying to piece together how much faith Sander had in his Lugia MU considering how Duraludon VMax turned out as a good pick for that deck, and that deck naturally runs Urn of Vitality for shuffling back single strike energy too. Guessing he relied on Lugia playing very few switch cards and keeping them stalled out with Mawile.
Lumineon's popular for Lugia and that pokemon quite literally can't attack in Lugia
So get that onto the bench with Manaphy, force it to active and lock with Mawile over and over
final musk
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Some very early stuff from Japan on Clay Burst / Snow Hazard kinda has a bit on radar, but it's Japan and a lot of these results are just locals
Common trending decks to try from the set (with an extremely limited results pool) seem to be:
Chien Pao / Baxcalibur with or w/out Palkia
Ting Lu Stun
Regidrago VStar with the new Noivern, as either with Arceus VStar or Forretress ex
The standout of decks to try is a variant of Lugia people have been talking about with Jet Energy's announcement, which is a Lugia deck centered around Snorlax/Lugia/Wydeer V for attacking, but that deck has been around since Triplet Beat
The main thing about it is that Jet Energy serves as a better switch card for Lugia in general.
Pretty much the only big trends are the ones people expected. Iono's good as a supporter, Reversal Energy is worth exploring, Brave Amulet might be a decent call in Gardevoir with Drifloon.
I completely mixed up that Jet Energy and Artazon were in Triplet Beat and not Clay Burst / Snow Hazard.
gilded heart
Brave Amulet is pretty good for tank builds too, like fighting decks
opaque pelican
Youch
final musk
This means that after Paldea Evolved in June, there likely would not be another core English set til like
October
We’ll get Paldea Evolved in June, Pokémon 151 filler set in August, and then our next core set in October
final musk
… jfc the only products over the summer are Charizard themed
versed jackal
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/04/raging-surf-now-releasing-in-september-with-te...
What's skeledirge ex do?
I can't find translations anywhere
270 for 2 fire seems very good
opaque pelican
Honestly, I can see Skeledirge just pairing very well with cards like Cheryl, and the Charizard (Yes, I know) from GO
You only ever need 1 Fire energy attached if you have Charizard on the bench, and Cheryl ensures that Skeledirge ex will have it's HP fully restored with minimal drawbacks.
270 damage is usually more than enough to one-hit KO most pokemon. With a Defiance Band/Focus Belt, this can even defeat VSTAR and some VMAX in one hit
final musk
What's skeledirge ex do?
That Skeledirge ex, from Triplet Beat, does 270 minus its current damage
final musk
So the idea would be to pair it with recovery + the fire stadium to let it hit over and over at about 250 damage, which is still very strong
The problem is the only really good recovery card with it is Cheryl, so you’d have to pair it with a Pokémon draw engine, which introduces having a stage 1 and stage 2 line in the same deck
I believe it to be the best new deck out of Triplet Beat but still not be enough for anything more than a rogue top
versed jackal
Could you not Bidoof/skwovet?
final musk
Bibarel/Skwovet*
versed jackal
Yeah that's what I meant
final musk
You can but that’s part of my point, a stage 1 and stage 2 line in the same deck is iffy
versed jackal
You could always rare candy for dirge, yeah?
final musk
You can and would likely have to
final musk
What's also weird/interesting about the Skeledirge tera product is that it could be the same Skeledirge as a different type card
They have done that before, ie. Sun and Moon reprinting the theme deck Garchomp as a fighting card.
The problem I forsee with that is that most types don't exactly have stellar energy movement
versed jackal
Yeah no evo incense hurts
opaque pelican
Yep.
Remembered Spearow trying to pull out a very realistic-looking worm out of the ground
sage acorn
Yeah no evo incense hurts
on the plus side tho, we got rare candy again
final musk
looks like to make up for no set next month, Japan's getting 3 Promo ex's released
Out of the 3, I think the only decent one rn is Toedscruel. Don't really think it is meta, but it does have a playable idea
Houndstone can build a discard pile with Kirlia engine, but that's way too many pokemon needed for it to become a hitter worth its setup, especially if you use Double Boost Energy.
Pawmot's not worth it due to how awkward lightning energy support is already even for a deck like Miraidon.
The thing about Toedscruel is that Forretress ex can put enough grass energy into play that you'd reliably have 5-6 pokemon in play with Grass Energy by turn 2, but you are putting yourself at a 2 prize disadvantage if you do that and Toedscruel having 270 HP is a huge risk.
final musk
Since Toedscruel doesn't care what has the grass energy, Filling your bench shouldn't be too bad.
1 Pineco to blow up Forretress turn 2
2 Toedscool for getting attackers ready.
4 additional pokemon in total, since you blow up a forretress.
What sets up benched pokemon really quick from deck? Miraidon ex. Put up something like Rotom V (Draw 3 during end of first turn) and Flying Pikachu V (Free Retreat + Fly attack). You could also put up Luxray V (trainer removal after using Iono), but that doesn't sound too reliable to me.
Edit: Another option for setup is Hisuian Liligant VStar to get all your Evos and Grass Basics, but that's gonna use up a VStar attack that may or may not be better on a seal stone.
Again, huge ass risk by blowing up forretress and leaving this many 2 prizers lacking bulk, but the idea should be fun and reliable enough for a locals or online.
final musk
Against some decks you can also just start by attacking with Forretress until threatened with KO
opaque pelican
Just pulled YET ANOTHER Gyrados ex
Up to two now. What is my luck
Why can’t I have this kind of good luck with Gardevoir ex?
final musk
For reference, the ability is:
Once per turn, look at the top 2 cards of your opponent's deck, one goes back on top, the other goes to the bottom.
sage acorn
oh yeah lemme get the translation out
final musk
It can form a control idea, but setting up a stage 2 to do that in this environment is rough
sage acorn
Gothitelle – Psychic – HP150
Stage 2 – Evolves from Gothorita
Ability: Astrology
Once during your turn, you may look at the top 2 cards of your opponent’s deck. If you do, put 1 of those cards back on top of their deck and the other one at the bottom of their deck.
[P][C] Psy Ban: 120 damage. Discard a random card from your opponent’s hand.
sage acorn
It can form a control idea, but setting up a stage 2 to do that in this environm...
yeah its a bit of a gimmicky idea and theres definetly better options
final musk
Generally, once you get your opponent down to 3 or fewer prizes, Iono can reset your opponent's hand low enough to make good use of it, but you can't guarantee success. There's no good way to discard what remains
sage acorn
true
i like how pokemon is starting to add some comeback pieces to the game
While attached to a Pokemon, this card provides 1 [C] Energy.
If you have more Prize cards remaining than your opponent and this card is attached to an Evolution Pokemon that doesn’t have a Rule Box, it provides 3 Energy of any type instead.
opaque pelican
Speaking of Eevee
I got a couple of these. Figured that, if there will ever be ex of each respective evolution, I might as well be ready once they drop
hearty flame
tinkaton looks very cool
sage acorn
apparently the lgs i play pokemon at has a Graded 10 (i forgor which company) alt art Miraidon ex
final musk
So basically, next set is likely gonna have Ruler of the Black Flame and Pokemon 151
ex starter decks are also up for grabs on this one
This set could potentially have 2 different Charizard exs
Someone also made note that this is, for the third generation straight, the third core set is a Dark-Fire themed name
Burning Shadows
Darkness Ablaze
Obsidian Flame
opaque pelican
That’s pretty neat theming
And yeah, as someone who liked the idea behind Delta Species, this is shaping up nicely
opaque pelican
Debating between the Choice Belt and the Defiance Band for damage bonuses
On one hand, the Defiance Band seems to work against everything so long as you’re behind on prize cards. But on the other hand there isn’t much ex in the game right now compared to V, which leads me to believe I’ll have more valid targets with the Choice Belt
opaque pelican
Maaaan, I really want some of these new cards to actually be available for use in official tournaments.
Anyways, so far this still is something of a "best of" set, using cards from mostly all iterations of the TCG's series.
final musk
Set list shown, we know the exs and what Pokémon have abilities
Only 3 cards not shown are Tangela, Pinsir, and Kabuto, so probably nothing important
opaque pelican
Wow, Jynx was the last mon I’d expect to get the ex treatment
final musk
They’re running out of unique gen 1 pokes to give a rule box card
Arbok getting an ex is also up there
It’s also kinda lopsided in that Zapdos got an ex, Moltres and Articuno didn’t, but all 3 have an ability and same cost for their attacks
final musk
Venasaur’s bad
Charizard honestly just seems like worse Skeledirge. Some people are coping that POGO Charizard synergizes well with it, but good luck setting up multiple stage 2s and running with that.
Blastoise is good and pretty much the only thing holding it back is simply being a stage 2 attacker.
Chien Pao hits better damage but Blastoise is tanky af, both can have different roled Water decks. I would never make a deck featuring both as attackers.
Someone in the comments compared Blastoise to Heatran VMax
Terrible comparison considering Heatran dealt 200 damage instead of the currently magic 280.
opaque pelican
Seems like everytime a Blastoise comes up, it's almost universally a pretty cool water-type card
Also, yep, still continuing the trend of Charizard just being "beeg number"
It's low-cost attack is pretty alright though. That's a really rare thing for these kinds of cards
I could probably think of some healing shenanigans with Venusaur, but yeah, it's not exactly too flattering.
wanton mantle
I wonder what is the basis for Ultra Beasts having Prize Card based effects
opaque pelican
Likely has to do with their unique abilities in the mainline games
Beast Boost has the Ultra Beast in question increase it's most proficient stat everytime it scores a KO. In this case, KO's in the TCG are like the prize cards you take.
wanton mantle
oh fair
opaque pelican
I really hope this Clefable has the Metronome attack
I just love the idea of using your opponent's active's attack as your very own, and I just wanna get to a point where I just one-shot my own opponent's active with their very own attack.
final musk
Beast Boost has the Ultra Beast in question increase it's most proficient stat e...
This is probably the closest answer we'll get besides them being extraterrestrial and not playing the normal game.
Stinks too since they had interesting effects as a result
(Besides Beast Ring, that can die in a fire)
Kartana GX remains my favorite GX card
And you had some others with really cool effects:
Naganadel GX
Xurkitree GX
Dawn Wings Necrozma GX for switching
Phermosa/Buzzwole Tag
Naganadel/Guzzlord Tag
opaque pelican
I made this earlier in the Pokémon thread, gonna show it off here
Type: Psychic
HP: 250
Ability: Gale of Darkness
You must discard an Energy card from your hand in order to use this Ability. Once during your turn, you may discard 1 Energy or Tool card attached to 1 of your opponent's Pokémon.
Shadow Blast
[P][P][C][C]
200
During your opponent's next turn, they may only play 1 Trainer Card from their hand.
Weakness: [L] Resistance: [F] Retreat Cost [C][C]
ex Rule: When your Pokémon ex is knocked out, your opponent takes 2 Prize Cards```
This got made after a bit of discussion on a promo card that was given to participants of the XD: Gale of Darkness demo at Nintendo World.I'm nowhere near as good as doing PSCT here (I'm a little unsure that is what they call it as far as unified text goes in the PTCG) than I am for YGO
final musk
During your opponent's next turn, they may only play 1 Trainer Card from their hand.
This breaks the game easily
opaque pelican
Yeah, I figured it would.
I went off Choccy's suggestion, but even I know that's busted
I think the ability's alright though. But I might change it up so it has to be in the active spot to use it.
opaque pelican
Alright, so what could this attack be instead? I wasn't too terribly sure what else would be fitting, but I didn't want this to just be a carbon copy of Lugia VSTAR either
final musk
This card would sound like a raw strategy in expanded if Maxie's were still around
Very interesting effect, but we have a tool with x3 that is much easier to set up rn
What's the ability on the fossil?
wait found it
60 HP basic that takes 30 less from attacks
opaque pelican
Holy shit, 4x weakness?
What, was dealing like 720 damage to Charizard VMAX wasn’t enough for your Gyrados ex?
final musk
You'd be mainly looking into finding pokemon that can hit 80-90 damage for low costs
gilded heart
Tbf the additional 100% damage is relevant I think. 80 damage with Supereffective Glasses is only 240
opaque pelican
Yeah, that is what I wager the game plan was
final musk
80 damage with Supereffective Glasses is only 240
The difference was that Glasses was a tool and therefore could expand into more time-consuming stuff that hit around 120. Zoroark Box debated it for a while
gilded heart
Especially with Arven grabbing either a Fossil and Choice Belt or Rare Candy and the Belt
opaque pelican
Card’s cool but it does still fall in that pitfall of needing the fossil item cards to get evolved
final musk
This needs something even more efficient of an attacker than the glasses do because of the stage 2 setup
opaque pelican
Eh yeah
final musk
Also spoiler up front: Kecleon is being brought up and is not a good choice for that
you need something even easier to set up
opaque pelican
I remember a Unown VSTAR having a VSTAR attack that makes all your opponent’s mons have Psychic weakness.
Which, is kinda hard to do and maintain given it’s an attack and Unown VSTAR just becomes a huge target afterwards. But it’s an idea nevertheless
But a bad idea
final musk
you need pokemon that hit around 80-90 for like 1 energy attachment maximum, like Haymaker cards
Best weaknesses to hit rn are Dark, Electric, Fighting, Metal, and Psychic
gilded heart
I think you could play Pokemon that need 2 energy to hit 50 minimum (very common), then add a Choice Belt, and either set up Cherrim or use Energy Switch in a PokeStop build
final musk
Deck also has a crippling weakness to Goodra on paper so you need to pair it with stall
gilded heart
It's more set up, but I don't think it'd be inconsistent
final musk
There should be better options than 2 energy for 50
gilded heart
Well yes, but at minimum
Also, thoughts on the Spiritomb that sets Weakness to Darkness for the Goodra match up 🤔
I guess they'd probably switch out of it, but at least they'd use up their switching cards and then you can OHKO 🤔
They'll use a lot of them on Comfeys, assuming it's LZ Goodra
final musk
I think it is easier against goodra to run a card like Mimikyu (immune to damage from Vs and exs) and some recovery cards like Super Rod
gilded heart
I suppose so 🤔
final musk
deck on paper also has a really hard time against lost box without mixing in bigger pokemon
gilded heart
Ah that is true
I was thinking Galarian Moltres V + Energy Switch could be a thing
Maybe with a Penny as well
So we can pick it up as needed to deny 2 prizes, or remove damage
final musk
Gonna start by searching darkmons that fit the idea
gilded heart
I know Absol does 50 for 2, there's also the new Bombirdier that does 60 for 2
There's a bunch that do more, but they mostly require 2 C
final musk
So far the most efficient I see is Sharpedo, who hits 70 for DC
or Single Strike Houndoom who can set up its own energy to hit 70-90 for DC
There are no good dark basics for that idea
Wait actually there might be 1
hold on, it's newer
Unified Wing pokemon
ie. Murkrow from Snow Hazard
final musk
you need a stage 2 and 4 pokes in the discard pile
still sketchy, but better than nothing
gilded heart
I think just using Bombirdier is a lot easier tbh
final musk
Flamigo makes getting 3 into the discard pile easy
final musk
Then electric. You mainly care about Lugia here, so you'd need to hit 70
gilded heart
Don't you just play Wings of Union + some other 1-off basics at that point?
Wattrel is right there :p
final musk
Just exploring all options
gilded heart
Fair
final musk
Wattrel can do it yeah
There's a zeraora with free retreat that hits Lugia for 60 for 1 L
gilded heart
Yeah that seems p. good
final musk
Checking metal, might be a decent one for Chien Pao ex
would need to hit 60
wait revelation on the dark part
gilded heart
🤔
final musk
for metal, basics pretty much do 30 or less
final musk
unfortunately, no meta dark attackers besides Single Strike TTar
Dark and Electric are by far the most important types for weakness going forward for now and that's the Wings deck
gilded heart
Yep
final musk
If freakin metal ever comes into the meta soon, we have a great Moltres for this
hits 90 for Magma Basin attachment
gilded heart
This inspired me to rebuild a Kingambit Weakness Box deck I built a while ago
And yeah, Moltres is probably the best 1 energy single prize attacker atm
final musk
another possible route down the road if we ever got fire/water weakness meta is castform
8 stadium in discard = free attack for kill damage
water generically has Veluza, but dear god mixing Infernity with a stage 2 dependent deck. Thank god Skwovet exists
final musk
Psychic actually has an ok one for the idea
Greavard: 10x psychic pokemon in discard pile
Tapu Lele as well: DCE for 20x energy attached to both active
This is not to call out a good card for the Kabutops idea, this is just me posting badass artwork I found while searching
final musk
Yeah so on paper you mainly have Wattrel, Murkrow, Tapu Lele, and then Moltres and Veluza if Fire/Water ever came up
You don't have much an option for Metal, which sucks for dealing with Chien Pao
You don't have much an option for Grass, for possibly SS TTar or Ting Lu ex
You don't have any option for fighting, shocking as that is. Miraidon isn't that good of a deck anyways, and nowhere near as popular.
You also have no good options to deal with other single prizer decks, which makes it a problem for Lost Box without fitting in yet another strategy
And, if Goodra stuck around, you 100% would have to mix in stallmons
On paper, it is a gimmick deck with glaring weakness to lost box
In practice... probably just as said, but not as consistent as people would be hopeful of.
digital crow
Question
Have we reverted to just naming v and ex mons in text instead of just "pokemon with a rule box"?
final musk
ocassionally yeah
Snow Hazard's Mimikyu for example
Unless they introduce another rule box, this would likely have to carry over until Radiant Pokemon are rotated out
gilded heart
On paper, it is a gimmick deck with glaring weakness to lost box
In practice... ...
Yeah you're probably right 
opaque pelican
Alright, gonna make a decklist of sorts
I finally created a deck and I gotta figure out how to fine-tune it
Missing some cards so the contents are tentative
opaque pelican
Deck Name: Go for it, Gardevoir
Pokemon:
2x Gardevoir ex (SVI)
2x Lumineon V (BRS)
1x Radiant Greninja (ASR)
4x Ralts (SIT)
2x Kirlia (SIT)
2x Kirlia (CRE)
2x Gardevoir (CRE)
1x Gallade (CRE)
1x Gallade (ASR)
1x Sigilyph (SIT)
2x Drifloon (SVI)
Trainers
4x Ultra Ball
2x Switch
2x Energy Recycler
4x Fog Crystal
3x Level Ball
1x Raihan
1x Miriam
2x Boss’s Orders
1x Judge
2x Roxanne
2x Avery
Energy:
16x Basic [P] Energy
I think I have way too much consistency options
versed jackal
Feel like that's too much energy
final musk
Yeah the going standard rn is 11-12 energy
I think the only deck willingly running over 16 rn is Dialgazone, which runs 20 because its only way to accelerate energy quickly is Magnezone
final musk
I think I have way too much consistency options
On the contrary, you can run more. Particularly, you are missing Battle VIP Pass entirely.
For Ralts, the one from Astral Radiance is considered better for higher HP. It usually ends up being 3-4 ASR, 0-1 SIT. the one from SIT only works as a specific counter card.
For Kirlia, it's pretty much 4 SIT. Some people probably still experiment with running 3 SIT + 1 CRE, but CRE has generally been dropped
For Gardevoir, what decks are you hoping to cover with CRE Gallade? It's generally viewed as not needed with how there aren't that many decks that go heavy on V count in play, besides like Mew.
Gardevoir/Gallade count in total mainly has sat at 5 maximum.
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Lumineon is considered a massive liability in the deck since there's no supporter you got out of your way for to setup.
Sigilyph is a neat tech, but it doesn't apply to many decks you'd run into. Think about how often Sigilyph would be useful for you with what you play against.
Drifloon a pretty weak attacker until Brave Amulet comes out in June.
Attackers have mainly been CRE Gardevoir, Gardevoir ex, and CEL Zacian V. People are also experimenting with ASR Gallade, Galarian Articuno, and LOR Cresselia to cover immunities.
2x Energy Recycler is generally not useful in Gardevoir because ideally Gardevoir ex is fishing all of your energy out of the discard pile and only attacks when absolutely needed.
Lastly, Radiant Greninja is amazing for Gardevoir
opaque pelican
Most the answers here is because “I don’t got much else”. Most this stuff really is just me working with what I got. That being said, I can wholeheartedly agree with the things I can change here, such as the suggestion to use the Ralts in Astral Radiance.
In spite of how the rough draft went so far, I’ll definitely take this advice, especially when I look for other cards
❤️
So, generally what I can do at moment is scrap Gallade (CRE), as well as Lumineon V, and a few energy cards. I’ll see if I can find replacements in the meantime
I might use the Lunatone from GO in the meantime instead of Drifloon
digital crow
ocassionally yeah
So they still want to make expanded fucky got it
final musk
expanded's already a mess
opaque pelican
I figured it would be
final musk
there's a good reason GLC is way more popular than Expanded
opaque pelican
Honestly, at this point it should just be an official sort of way to play instead of being sidelined as an alternate format.
final musk
it's even weirder than that because they do matches of it on official tournament streams sometimes, amongst announcers
(In western regions that is)
opaque pelican
Alright, done some adjustments
Replaced the Energy Recycler with Rescue Carrier, and replaced 2 Energy with some Battle VIP pass I had lying around. Also swapped all but 1 Ralts for the one in ASR, and got rid of a Gallade (CRE) and put a Lunatone (GO) in its place.
final musk
If you haven’t migrated ptcgo, you have a month.
If there’s anything people would want from ptcgo before migrating, lmk since I still have resources. PTCGLive does not have trading
final musk
Looks at PTCGLive Reddit
And they made this announcement a day after PTCGLive updated into massive gameplay slowdown issues
What makes this even more worrisome is that Expanded is on PTCGLive but they haven’t even finished coding BW and XY era cards yet
So this may officially release with a broken format
versed jackal
F
opaque pelican
https://www.pokebeach.com/2023/05/cycling-road-from-pokemon-card-151
Better remember where the breaks on your bike are.
Nothing too notable.