got one off for x=12
#Magic the Gathering
zinc shard
glad peak
Welp after cloning Phoenix airship with the ability and hazel’s ability over and over again, my precon +5 cards is banned in my bracket 4 group 
Yet another unjustified banning
fallow citrus
in bracket 4 too damn
glad peak
It’s a bracket 2 deck
At some point I should introduce them to the cedh guys and swap decks
trail anvil
complaining in bracket 4
do you just play with people who run dogshit decks with a bunch of game changers and call it bracket 4
sleek ferry
Yeah idk, I think this is a location issue
I’ve literally never seen our bracket 4 players ever complain
glad peak
In this area (LA) bracket 4 can be best described as people who don’t know what cedh is convinced their deck is cedh
There’s a massive population though
tardy echo
Iowa just breeds the strongest wizards
glad peak
Then why is there only 1 guy from Iowa in top 8
tardy echo
As a proportion of the population that’s crazy
There are at LEAST 43 states that didn’t have anybody in top 8
knotty ferry
There's one in top 32
sleek ferry
There are at LEAST 43 states that didn’t have anybody in top 8
More, only 5/8 claimed American
tardy echo
Exactly
sleek ferry
Alright I need my lore nerds
Helga at the end of Bloomburrow says “the kings in black will return”
Who are the kings she is speaking of
Nicol bolas and ?
copper pecan
the fomori, probably
tardy echo
Nicol bolas and ?
Truly they could fudge it to mean anyone
Many of the major villains through the story have been black aligned in some way shape or form
atomic harness
tardy echo
bolas never really wore black
Bolas didn’t wear any clothes on account of being a dragon, hope this helps!
twilit canyon
Bolas didn’t wear any clothes on account of being a dragon, hope this helps!
he wears that amonkhet robe over his crotch he dresses sometimes
also how do u explain this
lusty trench
Ugin after seeing bolas free and causing trouble and its all that blue twinks fault
golden plover
Welp. Amazon cancelled my Strixhaven bundle. Guess I won't be getting one then
Shit went from $100 to $300 or so since that order. I'm not gonna try again lol
zinc shard
inland folio
[[bridge from below]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add 
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Whenever this land or another land you control enters, if you control seven or more lands with different names, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
inland folio
whats up with cards making 2/2 tokens while in gy
fallow citrus
field of the dead doesn't do it in gy 
golden plover
So this is almost certainly a reseal. Do I waste this dude's time lol?
lusty trench
Shit gonna be filled with baseball cards
golden plover
Imma ask him a ton of questions lol
I mean theoretically he should have answers since a real buyer would be involving lawyers
Their other marketplace sales aren't in the same vein (clothes and equipment). Almost 100% resealed
I can't afford it anyways, but I know people who would be interested if it wasn't
tardy echo
Wait this is so cool actually
tardy echo
whats up with cards making 2/2 tokens while in gy
2/2 is a very consistent baseline for token stats
And, as a ratio, quite a lot of token makers produce zombies (a lot of them also make bears )
Field and bridge are strong cards for very diff reasons though
trail anvil
And, as a ratio, quite a lot of token makers produce zombies (a lot of them also...
[[Bearscape|SLD]]
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Enchantment
, Exile two cards from your graveyard: Create a 2/2 green Bear creature token.
They built a refuge with their bear hands.
tardy echo
Oh wait bridge isn’t in arena at all without this
tardy echo
https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1008/bearscape
That’s hot
sleek ferry
every day a new card is added to foundations
This has been a sideboard card for like 6 months aeri…
tardy echo
https://x.com/Intrepid_Tautog/status/2054672314164208064?s=20
This one can’t be real
Also it’s funny how white is just the stax color
twilit canyon
i regret to inform
tardy echo
Wake up chat I just found out heartbeat of spring is in foundations @sleek ferry @golden plover
sleek ferry
I regret to inform, that spatula might be the only person in this chat that actually plays magic
tardy echo
Wait ok if we wanna talk about sets that have the most random reprints let’s talk about blb
I only found out like 2 days ago that mind spring is standard legal from that set
twilit canyon
yeah
it had been forever since it was last printed too but they got it
still not really sure why...
tardy echo
Giant growth and colossification also
fallow citrus
This has been a sideboard card for like 6 months aeri…
sorry I don't play standard....
although tbf I havent played much magic in general recently
sleek ferry
Btw do we want to talk about the new ridiculous mtg discourse on social media?
twilit canyon
no
sleek ferry
“500k prize pool isn’t enough for the PT”
tardy echo
Thinking Twitter discourse is real is almost as bad as thinking the stripper loves you
sleek ferry
https://fxtwitter.com/fireshoes/status/2054627732064030998?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A and this is the geek that set it off
inland folio
can people not do things for love of the game anymore?
glad peak
Sure but are you willing to spend 2k just for the love of the game?
If you are then you should donate it to me
sleek ferry
Sure but are you willing to spend 2k just for the love of the game?
Yugioh players do it for a chance at a toaster
glad peak
They dont drop 2k for 1 event though
sleek ferry
Tbf, ain’t nobody dropping 2k from the US that attended the PT
Also if Ken wanted the PT to pay for his trip, he shouldn’t have scrubbed out
sleek ferry
atomic harness
https://x.com/mixolydianmagus/status/2054432065710694774?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRY...
What color is X
trail anvil
purple, that's the color they're revealing in reality shift
atomic harness
Pog
trail anvil
https://fxtwitter.com/fireshoes/status/2054627732064030998?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFD...
christ I'm sure other card game tournament players wish they could potentially get 50k from a tournament
do people think events are money earning things for card games
subtle sierra
https://x.com/mixolydianmagus/status/2054432065710694774?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRY...
Hmm today i will actively ignore data to prove my point
atomic harness
I can't wait to get blue lightning bolt
subtle sierra
Control recently pivoted to 4c and tablet, while golgari is a thing, so saying black doesn't exist is wild
Like yeah it's the least used color but the tweet makes it seem black doesn't exist at all
Which is objectively false
tardy echo
What color is X
It’s just a standin for like whatever
atomic harness
new reality fracture leak kids 
You're welcome.
Cancel Magic {B}{B}
Instant
Counter target spell. Lose 2 life.
tardy echo
Bro…
But also I’m pretty sure there were leaks that there are actually purple cards in fracture
subtle sierra
Ik this is a shitpost but i would literally kill for this
tardy echo
It would in fact be the best standard legal counterspell
trail anvil
Cancel Magic {B}{B}
Instant
Counter Destroy target spell. Lose 2 life.
FTFY
subtle sierra
Holy
atomic harness
Thank you komi
trail anvil
any time
subtle sierra
Cancel Magic {B}{B}
Instant
Counter Destroy target spell opponent. Lose 2 life.
FTFY
atomic harness
I was trying to think of white Bowmasters but it was too hard
trail anvil
bowmasters lowkey feels like a very white black card
subtle sierra
I was trying to think of white Bowmasters but it was too hard
Exile target permanent, it's controller amasses orcs 1?
tardy echo
You can literally just copypaste obm into white yeah
Or you can make it ghostly prison since white gets stuff like that a lot
atomic harness
Orcish Combat Medic
{1}{W}
Creature — Orc Cleric
Flash
When this creature enters and whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, this creature deals 1 damage to any target. Then amass Orcs 1.
0/2
trail anvil
I like the toughness boost
atomic harness
Yeah I swapped the stats
atomic harness
Smile
atomic harness
discord but that's like a. noun
atomic harness
Why are the other mh forces actually dookie dick
the only good ones are fon and vigor
despair kinda I guess
tardy echo
3/5 is a pretty fine cycle idk
trail anvil
Orcish Combat Medic
{1}{W}
Creature — Orc Cleric
Flash
When this creature enters...
unironically though something like
1W
Flash
When this creature enters and whenever a creature your opponent controls enters, create a 1/1 Human token. This ability only triggers once per turn.
tada, standard balanced 🙂
atomic harness
Oh that reminds me of the charismatic conqueror guy
atomic harness
3/5 is a pretty fine cycle idk
Ah okay why are the white and red ones bad then smh
trail anvil
what even are the forces for those colors
tardy echo
Prob because the white black and red evoke elementals were significantly more egregious than the green and blue ones
tardy echo
what even are the forces for those colors
White is an enchantment anthem lol
I think the red one is like… create 3 tokens or something
atomic harness
[[force of rage]] [[force of virtue]]
tardy echo
??? I’ll never call s2p a fair card bro
My goat endurance only ever used to stop unfair decks or in sick ass combos 
tardy echo
Subtlety would prob be better if it wasn’t in the same colors as fon and fow
Same for flare of denial
subtle sierra
scars make you hot...
trail anvil
Prob because the white black and red evoke elementals were significantly more eg...
god true
fury is such an insanely unfair card
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atomic harness
@twilit canyon how good was this
twilit canyon
decently
atomic harness
fury is such an insanely unfair card
I just remembered it had double strike
subtle sierra
random question
did eoe have different foils or smth?
i have a few and they feel and look completely different from other sets
or is it just the batch my locals have?
they don't warp as much either
trail anvil
I just remembered it had double strike
yeah I never remember which keyword the evoke elementals have unless they're being scammed/played lategame 😭 then all of a sudden it becomes relevant
going against control with red in it then having to deal with a 3/2 double striker is a pain in the ass sometimes, or solitude gaining them life
subtle sierra
i actually do not think i own a single eoe foil tho
my other land foils curl like an mfer but the eoe ones are good which is lol
The left one is a foil from eoe i had just laying on my table in a fairly humid room, the right one is an otj foil and it was in a binder lmao
atomic harness
Amabie...
subtle sierra
amabie was demoted to mousepad
trail anvil
I feel like the mtga mobile client has gotten so much worse at reconnecting to games
if my internet shits out mid-game and I try to rejoin it just freezes
knotty ferry
I regret to inform, that spatula might be the only person in this chat that actu...
Thank you son
I'm dedicated to winning a pro tour and making $20 (according to twitter)
subtle sierra
I regret to inform, that spatula might be the only person in this chat that actu...
me going to locals tonight 👁️
sleek ferry
Sleepy’s left cousin? What happened to his right cousin?
trail anvil
tragic cedh accident
tardy echo
Sleepy’s left cousin? What happened to his right cousin?
He tried playing coalition victory
subtle sierra
Ok chat we're trying tablet today
lusty trench
How dare you ask for a piece of information commonly used for legitimacy verification
golden plover
I mean that answers the question of reseal imo
Although looking at it answered the question
sleek ferry
twilit canyon
1 card ftk...
sleek ferry
That’s not Michelangelo
trail anvil
damn power creep, [[thief of dreams]] used to be 3 mana...
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trail anvil
[[thief of sanity]]
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subtle sierra
It's funny cause it draws more and is live a turn early?
Idk if it does enough to warrant it
Drawing 4-5 on t4 is wild tho if you open tablet
trail anvil
I see the vision, but isn't instant speed relevant for the mirror or nah
subtle sierra
It's relevant
The thing is i drew absolute dogshit
So i simply had 2 non games into this
G1 i drew 3 sear 3 burst lightning and missed a land drop t3
G2 i drew no revs and they drew high noon while i had 2 flashback
Oh and they drew 3 stock ups while i had none
Absolutely abysmal games
G2 ended up with me drawing capstone and realizing I can't cast anything off it
trail anvil
rip
knotty ferry
[[together as one]]
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subtle sierra
Idk what for though
Mirrors, the card still draws 4-5
zinc shard
going through my bulk, had no idea [[Chromatic Orrery]] was still $30
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You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color.
: Add .
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Visitors marvel at its design, unaware of the other world that inspired it.
glad peak
Yep it’s a great combo piece
subtle sierra
Idk what for though
Oh i forgot, the draw targets, it fucks up doomsday
Also chat i want to cut smth for roots, is cutting lands to 24 a terrible idea?
subtle sierra
Tf happened
vivid hatch
golden plover
What is the throughline here? Feels like random cards
WAIT WHY IS PONDER IN THE RIN AND SERI ONE???
sleek ferry
Because it’s a Garfield super drop, not a rin and seri one?
golden plover
Typically, when they do a commander focused drop like Rin and Seri seems to be, all the cards are a "starter pack" for the commander
This is the only time I've seen one of those where one of the cards just isn't playable in the commander
The other two drops are nothing in card selection and value lol. And this one is held together by Rin and Seri
sleek ferry
Either ways, that counterspell almost rivals the SpongeBob one, so I’m def copping that
I can almost guarantee you the dark ritual and counterspell will be $20+ each in their regular versions
copper pecan
magic as garfield intended...
golden plover
Garfield as magic intended
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knotty ferry
[[grim's chant]]
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Instant
Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Target player can't cast spells this turn. If this spell was kicked, creatures can't attack this turn.
knotty ferry
Whoops
zinc shard
Abrade
Ad Nauseam
Armageddon
Berserk
Big Score
Bulk Up
Crackle with Power
Deduce
Disdainful Stroke
Empty the Warrens
Force of Will
Giant Growth
Hop to It
Knockout Maneuver
Pick Your Poison
Pongify
Prismatic Ending
Reprieve
Requisition Raid
Shamanic Revelation
Sheoldred's Edict
Smallpox
Stargaze
Stock Up
Zombify
subtle sierra
i assume it conjures the soa art?
trail anvil
bro this is a companion land
the fact that it comes in untapped is wild to me
it's random but a lot of these cards would be so nice to pull out of thin air
tardy echo
Wait some of these are actually fire
The beast within/ stp/ counterspell
The it that betrays is also pretty funny
copper pecan
yep
subtle sierra
uh
yeah
there's dice with different number of faces so how else would you differentiate
tardy echo
There are cards that roll d20s
D6/D20 are much better to read on a card than “Six/Twenty-faced die”
Is there a dnd card that rolls a D100
There are also D8s
There’s prob a D4 card I’m forgetting
copper pecan
bro this is a companion land
the thing with companion that made it so strong was that there was no deckbuilding cost to running them
this has a deckbuilding cost (that you have to run the land and draw into it) so it's fine
golden plover
There’s prob a D4 card I’m forgetting
[[Arden Angel]]
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golden plover
But this card was originally an old video game card and this is the best translation of its effect
golden plover
[[Bucknard's Everful Purse]]
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Artifact
, : Roll a d4 and create a number of Treasure tokens equal to the result. The player to your right gains control of this artifact.
As long as it's never left empty, this magic pouch produces coins every dawn.
golden plover
In what context
golden plover
I think? I don't either
tardy echo
If it’s pick from 3 that land seems p good
Pretty unlikely to whiff and basically impossible across multiple enters
knotty ferry
there's dice with different number of faces so how else would you differentiate
Sigh back in my day a d6 was just a die
These kids and their newfangled dodecahedrons
copper pecan
Draft gives you the choice from 3 right
yeah you pick one of three
tardy echo
Then yeah surely that’s pretty playable
Technically it also gives color fixing for really weird random stuff
U can cast any companion out of colors with it
trail anvil
this has a deckbuilding cost (that you have to run the land and draw into it) so...
the deck building cost is a colorless land. if you can afford that then you have potential bullshit at every corner
putting the card into your hand isn't even a sorcery speed restriction so control decks can hold up mana and just do it whenever they want 😭
can you imagine having no answer then ripping fow off a roll
this spellbook is large so it's hard to hit something reliably, I just think there's a lot to hit
tardy echo
Tbf I also think this is pretty low on actual hits in most control decks
But I struggle to imagine a deck that would want this that also would be winning like that off stuff like ad naus/etw/arma which are the cards here that like actually are very scary to see on that list
This shit will prob be the most annoying card oat in like green brawl decks though
Can you draft cards that are colors outside of your commanders identity in brawl?
trail anvil
I just think the power of free cards is early damn strong idk lol. if you had to make random concessions for a free creature you're gonna do this land too
trail anvil
Can you draft cards that are colors outside of your commanders identity in brawl...
yep!
tardy echo
Ok yeah that’s gross then
tardy echo
I just think the power of free cards is early damn strong idk lol. if you had to...
I mean I think this is a good card
I just question if there’s anything that can play it that is currently around
In normal people formats
trail anvil
yeah this is an auto include in low color brawl decks but that's not even a statement
trail anvil
I just question if there’s anything that can play it that is currently around
idk I don't play alchemy, historic or timeless but I imagine there's control somewhere in the formats??
tardy echo
I mean this is prob worth the inclusion in like legit any witherbloom deck in brawl
trail anvil
witherbloom?
tardy echo
The new one
You can find/ramp out this card p easily and then you’re cheating out Armageddon/sham rev/a bunch of stuff
trail anvil
oh yeah true
tardy echo
And that’s a deck where arma is actually a really scary hit
Arma is the card on that list that is v crazy to just have there btw
trail anvil
arma is a scary hit in any deck when you don't have to run it in your starting deck just cause mass land wipes can be win more cards
tardy echo
I mean Armageddon is probably a bad hit for most control decks
trail anvil
if you have a board and your opponent doesn't then you just ensured they will never have one
yeah true
but manu other cards on this list are fine for control, hence why draft works well here
tardy echo
Armageddon is also stronger with green colors because you can do the upheaval thing and then ramp yourself back to having actual mana lol
I mean it’s funny that fow is a complete whiff if you aren’t on blue
But you still have reprieve
Oh and crackle also I guess this is pretty lit
trail anvil
and disdainful depending on what you're playing against
tardy echo
It’s a v varied spellbook in general which is nice
And it has enough redundancy in spots that matter (cards that win/disruption/anti aggro)
trail anvil
overall I think drafting is too unreliable to go for a specific answer, but I think there are enough decent answers for desperate situations and again a colorless untapped land is a very low investment
tardy echo
This card would also be 7x better if it didn’t have the shit pump spells lol
trail anvil
I think all draft cards have some fun little lowrolls
tardy echo
This cards fun little low roll should be like
Pyp/deduce/reqraid/stargaze
When your low end is a literal alpha card it’s crazy
trail anvil
why do people keep sleeping on pyp 
tardy echo
I mean it’s a good card but just narrow
And it has some unfortunate blind spots even against the decks it’s meant to be good against
Off this land pyp is def a low roll because most decks with problematic targets will have put multiple on the board by then
And even if 1 mana green removal is great efficiency its p worthless if its removing worthless things
And atp it’s also a 3/4 mana removal
trail anvil
I think it definitely depends on board state. especially in brawl you'll get singleton threats you wanna remove
hitting a random artifact or enchantment can be big time value but yeah it's definitely more situational
tardy echo
I think it definitely depends on board state. especially in brawl you'll get sin...
Well I mostly mean like
It gives them the choice
So esp in a format like brawl because of mana rocks that card scales significantly worse into later turns
trail anvil
depends if you're a deck that wants to use mana rocks. commander there's more onus to ramp first but in brawl I feel like you don't ramp nearly as much with mana rocks unless you're a big mana deck that doesn't have green
tardy echo
Shrug I think regardless pyp is not a very strong card to be drafting and then casting on turn 5+ lol
Wow I just found out balduvian shaman is in foundations @golden plover @sleek ferry @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
nuh uh
tardy echo
Yuh huh
tardy echo
I know he is actually
twilit canyon
also lathril, blade of the elves from kaldheim commander fame
tardy echo
Yeah that one is funny as fuck
Between that and llanowar elves I think they fr wanted you to play elfball in standard
trail anvil
and hoof in tarkir
then again I think you were never really gonna see her in standard elves, I think they just wanted her price lower so people could get into elves as a strategy in commander really easily
twilit canyon
Between that and llanowar elves I think they fr wanted you to play elfball in st...
elvish archdruid didnt tip you off?
actually tho they printed like
1 other elf thats worth shit for balls
sleek ferry
subtle sierra
if you sum up 4cc and jeskai it's the third most played deck 
sleek ferry
subtle sierra
considering the biggest diff about them is one card it's smth
so we're trying a diff maestro build this time around
i don't really see it working this time either but we'll see
sleek ferry
The rise of spellementals makes sense given its matchup vs Selesnya
Excruciator rep also up due to its matchup vs landfall
glad peak
Something something control is unplayable
sleek ferry
Something something control is unplayable
This statement is kinda correct when it comes to RC’s and PT’s tbh
I love control, but playing control reduces your chances of topping a premier event
glad peak
Basically if you want to win vs control just gitgud scrub
twilit canyon
premodern players beg others harder than any other format
glad peak
Counterpoint: think about how little fun you have when you get hit with multiple cabal therapies in a row
twilit canyon
eh
the problem is they are playing sultai
so whatever hand it is
is much worse as a result
trail anvil
my hand just needed me to land one creature. if I knew what it was like beforehand I would've gone straight for the creature
they had enough tempo to hard cast both subtlety and force of will, and even subtlety started beating me down
atomic harness
the problem is they are playing sultai
Trueee
Is Gitaxian probe in any arena format btw?
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
X
copper pecan
[[bagel with schmear]]
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[[bagel]]
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Artifact — Food
Share — , , Sacrifice this artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery.
Nosh — 
, , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life and draw a card.
No fight in New York City was more vicious than the battle over who made the best bagels.
sleek ferry
https://x.com/realraynor/status/2056017097314984127?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A @knotty ferry your deck is going crazy this weekend
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knotty ferry
https://x.com/realraynor/status/2056017097314984127?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8...
whats my deck?
i dont see it here...
sleek ferry
Dimir
sleek ferry
It’s a good meta call rn
sleek ferry
It could be though… if you swapped out like 2 cards from your deck
knotty ferry
kavaero the mind bitten, as we call it
and excruciator
and winternight stories (?)
sleek ferry
I thought maybe you were on superior for the 8 deceits
sleek ferry
Holy
knotty ferry
ill be out of town for the next couple weeks so i wont be able to play
but i'll play the next locals in June
middle of June
sleek ferry
It’s fine, banlist drops tomorrow anyways
knotty ferry
yeah
sleek ferry
And you need at least a month for the meta to settle
sleek ferry
Plus I’m also taking a mini break to learn 2 new tcg’s
fallow citrus
which tcgs
sleek ferry
Gundam and riftbound
sleek ferry
Bought RW justice and Ivern + the 2 unleashed champion decks
lusty trench
Based
sleek ferry
I’m going to probably try to teach myself and my wife how to play riftbound once the champion decks get here
And Gundam is pretty easily digestible having played other Bandai games
lusty trench
Riftbound is just so good rn, meta is really open and there's so much room for player expression
sleek ferry
Yeah, I see the tier 0 concerns are less prominent + set 3 is usually when new tcg’s really start having a big enough cardpool for customization, hence why I decided now was the time
glad peak
Yep game looks a lot lot better than just a couple weeks ago
hidden ermine
Riftbound is just so good rn, meta is really open and there's so much room for p...
Whats the cost like?
lusty trench
Right now there's decks you can run at the locals level (including skirmishes) that cost like £30
lusty trench
Khazix is sadly more expensive leaning because he's in orange, so he wants new rengars, setts, inverted timeliness and vexs
lusty trench
Vex is cheap, ivern is cheap, xp yi is super cheap like dirt cheap, azir too
Azir and vex put up really good results for how much they cost too
You can legit just try the game out with the vex starter deck and do decently at locals
glad peak
Wait is the vex starter deck actually good?
hidden ermine
Nyaruhodo
glad peak
Like is it like a 5-10 card swap to a good deck?
lusty trench
Its not like 5-10 card swaps but the cost of the deck is the same price as the vex epic it has in it plus the pack that comes in it
And while to make it fully meta there are a good amount of swaps, you can still rock up to locals and do well with the base deck
sleek ferry
Whats the cost like?
I bought my Ivern deck for $15 USD
$20 after taxes and shipping
And like obviously there’s room for expensive upgrades
But as far as building a playable deck, $15 was the cost
hidden ermine
I see I see
golden plover
Oh is stock finally caught up to demand?
And the format is good? Glad they sorted everything out
stark skiff
Yea from what I seen the new tcg release buyout has worn off on Riftbound
golden plover
That's good. Might eye it up again, but it wasn't fun to try and play sets 1 and 2
knotty ferry
Sigh do I play riftbound now
sleek ferry
Only if you want another tcg, but it doesn’t sound like you have the income for it
I just happen to have a lot of spare money and a lot of spare time
knotty ferry
Only if you want another tcg, but it doesn’t sound like you have the income for ...
Me???
I don't have the income???
I'm loaded bro
sleek ferry
Loaded? That’s that Russian guy in here
knotty ferry
Yeah but I ain't poor
sleek ferry
I wonder what Solar will think of his deck winning Cincinnati
Only to get completely banned in tomorrows banlist
subtle sierra
I wonder what Solar will think of his deck winning Cincinnati
?
Why would you hit control
I mean besides stock up ig but
There's so many tools you can replace it with if the format actually goes down in power
golden plover
Banlist today. What's the over under on actually seeing some hits?
I'd like to see Stormchasers and something else Izzet (Slickshot or Boomerang) go and Cub and/or Earthbenders Ascension. Been sold on that card being Green Fable and it should probably die
But realistically the answer will be "it's too close to RCQ season and a new set comes out soon so no changes"
subtle sierra
I think chasers and slickshot can eat shit
As in, rotate them out faster
maybe green gets a hit but idk in what way
It'd be funny if it's like icetill
golden plover
Tbf I think going back to 2 year rotation is correct
Hell, I saw the take that if we're gonna have 7 sets a year, rotation should be a year and a half realistically
And I'm not opposed to 18 month rotations
subtle sierra
I'm not either but getting new lands hurts
golden plover
But yeah, Earthbenders has really shot up as a problem card in my eyes
I'm hoping stormchasers at least gets a hit, but I'd like to see a couple hits this afternoon
trail anvil
Tbf I think going back to 2 year rotation is correct
I've been saying this since before standard got so clogged, still would love it tbh
trail anvil
Banlist today. What's the over under on actually seeing some hits?
I feel like 95% chance zero standard hits. I'm hoping for some brawl hits still
sleek ferry
Crab and stormchaser’s get hit today. maybe harmonizer and 1 of the +1 blue draw cards
Far shots are monument and high noon
golden plover
Harmonizer isn't the issue lmao
It'd have to be cub and/or ascension
Harmonizer is totally fine with those
Imo if it's between cub and ascension, ascension is more egregious
sleek ferry
It'd have to be cub and/or ascension
For the last time, you don’t ban cub unless you want green to just completely be unviable
These bans aren’t meant to kill archetypes
Just curve their power
golden plover
I mean, green would be fine without cub
sleek ferry
LOL
golden plover
It'd put more of the ramp in check
But I think Ascension is the correct hit for green
sleek ferry
Bro, we went through 4 years of green being completely unviable
golden plover
Doesn't kill the deck, but hits a problem
golden plover
I dunno, cub is a broken fucking card and if that's what green needs to be good, they should rethink green rn
But I do think you can maybe leave cub if you kill Earthbenders Ascension
sleek ferry
The last time green was a viable deck was green stompy with questing beast
golden plover
Rec? Beans? There's been a couple green archetypes since
golden plover
Mono-Green just isn't really a viable competitive strategy outside of maybe stompy sometimes
That's not an issue with green, it's just moreso what the color does
sleek ferry
In terms of decks that actually fulfill the green fantasy, we’ve literally only had Rec > stompy > zendikar rising landfall
And then a huge gap until cub
Yes, green has been played in shit like golgari midrange, but none of those decks that splashed green, actually did green things
twilit canyon
the white/green landfall decks are doing green enough things
so i agree overall, if u kill cub, u probably kill green
sleek ferry
Thank you daughter
sleek ferry
Yeah, green is actually necessary in current standard
Especially with mono red being nonexistent
No standard changes, which means the June list is the standard list
zinc shard
[[Sewer-Veilence camera]]
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[[sewer-veillance cam]]
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No one in New York was going to notice one more cockroach.
twilit canyon
outburst unban 
zinc shard
LOL it got banned because of Vivi. That little shit's still causing problems
glad peak
Phlage ban isnt crazy 
It was fully expected between that or arena or ajani
And phlage is the only one that really sees play past the others
twilit canyon
Phlage ban isnt crazy <:clearly:1247706297491656795>
no ik
i was just atp sure it would have been ajani
considering where historic went to hit that deck
tardy echo
lol???
Jitte and outburst unbans are really funny
What was lotus field doing that I missed
Is that supposed to be a titan hit
sleek ferry
Excuse my associate mud
tardy echo
If I didn’t know ball I would say that titan is bad now kid
Not sure why they’ve now decided to ban 3(!) different lands because of Titan and not just… amulet or Titan
atomic harness
Whoa outburst is back @fallow citrus @twilit canyon
atomic harness
Also man standard still has no changes 
fallow citrus
wait this is actually a real list crazy
knotty ferry
[[lotus field]]
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This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice two lands.
: Add three mana of any one color.
twilit canyon
I can’t wait for people to get off Titan so I can rebuy all of it for cheap
the deck stopped being purely brain dead again with lotus ban so
knotty ferry
wtf is this
atomic harness
Yeah okay it's time to play rhinos
atomic harness
footfalls good again misty?
tardy echo
wtf is this
It’s a stupid card that has literally only ever been played in degen combos
knotty ferry
[[violent outburst]]
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tardy echo
And Titan (degen not a combo)
atomic harness
You cascade into [[crashing footfalls]] spat
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Create two 4/4 green Rhino creature tokens with trample.
glad peak
Titan is a degen combo too
glad peak
the deck stopped being purely brain dead again with lotus ban so
Yep, exactly why so many people will stop playing it
tardy echo
What are the prospects that outburst was unbanned solely to sell more copies of living end
sleek ferry
Not sure why they’ve now decided to ban 3(!) different lands because of Titan an...
Like I’ve said before, Titan is legit just mtg striker, we never hit the cards that are actually the problem
And are content with hitting around it
twilit canyon
What are the prospects that outburst was unbanned solely to sell more copies of ...
i mean
fallow citrus
I'd be happy with that
twilit canyon
wouldnt doubt it
fallow citrus
living end 🐐
tardy echo
Titan is a degen combo too
The combo line in that deck doesn’t involve lotus field though no
twilit canyon
but rhinos was always the better more consistent deck
tardy echo
I mean yeah living end is a pretty cool deck
glad peak
tardy echo
but rhinos was always the better more consistent deck
Don’t hate
sleek ferry
But phlage should be a significant enough hit for energy and blink
tardy echo
Maybe crashing footfalls should’ve gotten an archive art
glad peak
What do you mean the main titan line doesn’t use lotus field
tardy echo
I’m not saying that
twilit canyon
idk actually tho, i feel like historic has shown that outburst -> living end or footfalls is honestly both quite viable
tardy echo
But this is just a hit to the decks speed no?
Like the actual combo line exists regardless of lotus field I thought
twilit canyon
they dont disrupt the format much at all
golden plover
Wait they actually did big modern bans in the middle of an RCQ season?? I thought they said we couldn't do that lol
glad peak
The main line uses lotus field, it’s the most efficient land destruction tool
atomic harness
alph i'm more upset that standard has no changes again
glad peak
The boros line hasn’t existed in forever
atomic harness
but it's okay rhinos are back baby
tardy echo
They should’ve unbanned beans in standard to combat the izzet menace
Word me @sleek ferry
golden plover
alph i'm more upset that standard has no changes again
Literally. Standard is like fine on paper, but the play pattern is lame as hell rn
glad peak
That’s because of green
atomic harness
Like the ygo banlist sucked but the JUSH decks actually stopped being played
so it's a net positive
@knotty ferry we need you to eliminate llanowar elves
tardy echo
Badgermole cub = heavy poly and llanowar elves = lunalight liger dancer
golden plover
I know there's a lot of deck variety but it really doesn't feel like it and stormchasers and earthbending ascension if nothing else should've taken hits
Apparently modern is like bad now after this according to my modern friends lol
twilit canyon
They should’ve unbanned beans in standard to combat the izzet menace
true
truth nuke
fallow citrus
Badgermole cub = heavy poly and llanowar elves = lunalight liger dancer
don't say that lenny might start playing mtg
tardy echo
I wanna see Lenny try to play green
fallow citrus
I don't
tardy echo
Hell get wrathed once and complain that white needs to be removed from the game
tardy echo
true
Actually this brought up a super random q I had
Has a card ever been unbanned in standard
No right
sleek ferry
Badgermole cub = heavy poly and llanowar elves = lunalight liger dancer
Crazy, cause I saw multiple games by selesnya be won by not playing either and just using that fuck ass robot
tardy echo
Crazy, cause I saw multiple games by selesnya be won by not playing either and j...
Just like lunalight wins without liger sometimes gg
glad peak
If modern got bad because an easy deck that was touted as a high skill deck is hit then modern was never a good format
twilit canyon
Has a card ever been unbanned in standard
uhhhh idts?
tardy echo
But now it just has a realer deck than cage bc that was some bullshit lol
golden plover
Also I like the little who gives a shit hit to pioneer. It's far too late and they needed to do WAY more hits
sleek ferry
The real hot take that’s not a hot take is to unban screaming nemesis
tardy echo
Please don’t
golden plover
Holy shit no
tardy echo
That card is so fucking annoying dude
golden plover
Nemesis should not be standard legal
tardy echo
Also random ass spy hit is funny as hell
golden plover
How do you prevent mono-red from beating you to death? Lifegain and Blockers
You know what nemesis turns off
Both Lifegain and Blockers
Nemesis is a fucking stupid ass design
tardy echo
uhhhh idts?
I thought not but it would be funny with longer rotation if that became a possibility
3 year rotation so we can unban Vivi once eldraine and mkm rotate
twilit canyon
true!
golden plover
Also huge fan of Phlage continuing both the pattern of broken MH cards getting banned AND the escape titans getting banned
golden plover
I don't play modern, but from what I've heard, that feels like it can't be true? Uro is still a very silly card, no?
twilit canyon
fury is still a gross card and it could come back... to the detriment of everything really.
phlage is worse fury and it got banned ren
atomic harness
golden plover
Maybe it's just uro PTSD from standard but I feel like dude would still be a mistake
twilit canyon
I don't play modern, but from what I've heard, that feels like it can't be true?...
way less silly than phlage
by a lot
golden plover
That's fair, but Phlage was a hugely broken card lol
twilit canyon
uro could never do even half of phlage
atomic harness
Sigh Kroxa is the fairest 
twilit canyon
yeah cus its bad
atomic harness
What about grief misty
golden plover
It is funny Kroxa is the fairest of the three when he's also very silly
fallow citrus
Also random ass spy hit is funny as hell
I think making it less consistent is goated
golden plover
He's just actually balanced lol
fallow citrus
that deck is cool but also ass to play against
atomic harness
Thank you aeri
fallow citrus
I respect the theory behind decks like oops or charbelcher but I do not respect playing against them
golden plover
Oh also if you want the goblin sld get in queue now and you probably still won't get it lol
twilit canyon
<:umugakita:1200457437354926180>
same deal as fury
twilit canyon
same deal more or less...? you can bring them out and they are like. fine. but they wouldnt be healthy.
sleek ferry
Goblin storm commander deck dropping on the secret lair site btw
@stark skiff if I get it, do you want it?
tardy echo
I think making it less consistent is goated
I agree but of all the cards to hit to that end informer is just a v funny one imo
tardy echo
Okay what ABOUT artifact lands
Why do you just love fascism
This kid goes crazy for scam and affinity
sleek ferry
Tf is wrong with Raffine
tardy echo
Commander for hateful people
sleek ferry
????
tardy echo
Banned in duel commander btw
twilit canyon
there is not a single honest bone in ren's body
tardy echo
Extremely true
fallow citrus
the affinity one is based at least
tardy echo
Banned in duel commander btw <:icant:1310294700384714813>
Also while you can verify this I would recommend against looking at the DC banlist as it is hernia-inducing
fallow citrus
now I'm curious
sleek ferry
This guy thinks I respect any commander banlist
tardy echo
now I'm curious
Tasigur is banned.
sleek ferry
The only commander bans I ever agreed with were Hullbreacher and Nadu
fallow citrus
arahbo banned lmfao
fallow citrus
old stickfingers....
tardy echo
Oloro randomly
fallow citrus
ragavan banned in deck...
fallow citrus
Tasigur is banned.
Wrong!
tardy echo
Stickfingers becomes much harder to deal with when it’s 1v1
fallow citrus
comet is banned 
golden plover
Good
fallow citrus
unserious format
golden plover
Comet is an annoying ass card in 1v1 sometimes
Tbf my only experience with this is arena cube
He's probably less frustrating in duel commander but I'm glad they killed him in the cube
tardy echo
unserious format
Deeply
I’m pretty sure multiple of the commanders that are banned are literally just banned on principal of cheating command tax
And not for actual power level
fallow citrus
some of them I guess make sense in 1v1
like vannifar is not a real commander in big 26 but in 1v1 commander i guess she would be
golden plover
Isn't Baral a nightmare in 1v1
fallow citrus
not enough to be banned apparently
tardy echo
like vannifar is not a real commander in big 26 but in 1v1 commander i guess she...
Yeah this is the same as the stickfingers thing
Commanders who exist to facilitate cheesy ass combos that snipe one player out of the game are very bad in 1v1v1v1
But significantly stronger when there’s only one player to snipe out of the game tbw
Ezio is prob the funniest banned commander on the list though
Iirc with the way dc was going for a bit there was actually a consideration to ban thoracle
knotty ferry
[[ezio]]
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knotty ferry
no scryfall, i cannot
tardy echo
[[ezio auditore da firenze]]
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3/2
tardy echo
Yes.
knotty ferry
this shit looks cheesy af
tardy echo
It can cheese you out but the issue is that it had a super solid backbone because of 5 colors
So it was like answer the wincon and lose to the rest of the deck or deal with the good stuff in the deck and lose to the wincon a lot of the time
fallow citrus
fuck me it's been out 2 years already?
zinc shard
fallow citrus
X
lusty trench
just know i was doing tricks on phlage nearly day 1
Sucks to know i was a phlage doubter
My ass really said Lightning helix on a good body for dirt cheap was bad
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knotty ferry
[[storm crow]]
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subtle sierra
aww it has a cute poem
tardy echo
Best creature of all time btw word me @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
weird way to type swiftspear
sleek ferry
All of you have very weird ways of spelling archpriest of Iona
subtle sierra
best creature of all time is alrund's epiphany
lusty trench
swiftspear doesn't have flying
Also cant pitch it to force of will to protect your storm crow on the stack
tardy echo
All of you have very weird ways of spelling archpriest of Iona
That’s crazy anyways atraxa gg
sleek ferry
That’s crazy anyways atraxa gg
Coveted prize with a full party, put squad commander on the field, swing for 10 million?
tardy echo
Atraxa drew me a counterspell gg
stark skiff
<@324752667144355841> if I get it, do you want it?
copper pecan
this is gonna be crazy in alchemy
having an actual learn card along with the paradigm stuff and atla lessons is absurd
zinc shard
oh snap, i can take Sanar out of my Ornate Imitations deck
subtle sierra
my conspiracy theory is that
since we got page in sos
we're gonna get seek in paper eventually
also this is just instant speed stock up for 2 specific cards you can build around
as an uncommon
this would go hella hard in control
but i expect there's more broken shit
copper pecan
we're gonna get seek in paper eventually
the whole point of seek is that you don't reveal what the card is so i really doubt we're ever gonna get it in paper
golden plover
Lmao they printed a learn card into alchemy?
No shot they thought that one through at all
subtle sierra
yeah and it's on a stock up
golden plover
That's hilarious
How is alchemy a real format when the design team does that
OH MY GOD ITS AN INSTANT TOO
twilit canyon
2 mana deal 3 holy
trail anvil
wait this is super busted no
golden plover
Wait yeah it's stock up at instant speed and you always get the two cards you wanted to get lmao
trail anvil
not that
golden plover
Oh yeah that's also super busted
subtle sierra
only downside is that you can't grab a land but yeah
trail anvil
unearth 5 is insanely steep and it's unearth
golden plover
2 mana 3 damage to all creatures is crazy above rate
They really just push shit on alchemy cards huh
subtle sierra
i'm fucking chuffed to see these but i won't touch alchemy
twilit canyon
alchemy is a very strong format
trail anvil
bro where is my low power constructed format on arena
twilit canyon
also the new alchemy lead really likes historic and timeless
twilit canyon
bro where is my low power constructed format on arena <:pensivecowboybread:73736...
pioneer
trail anvil
girl pioneer is just standard with a little bit extra sprinkled on
if I really wanna play teferi 5
you have to exile the cards yourself but if you do you get free spells
fallow citrus
X
subtle sierra
context?
twilit canyon
valakut
fallow citrus
[[dryad of the ilysian grove]] + [[valakut the molten pinnacle]] + [[scapeshift]]
thanks bot
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subtle sierra
zinc shard
sudden lava
EoE really was the set up for Star trek
trail anvil
I mean we've searched for a specific card/s multiple times before
sudden lava
Also this card is literally The First Doctor but with new text
zinc shard
I always get a chuckle when this pops up on EDHREC
sudden lava
Bant commander (1st doctor is azorious but is bant through companions) that cares about flagship well ship, and makes the ship bigger
sudden lava
Oh we're doing yugioh searching now
this card bares a lot of similarity to the first doctor, even down to the colors
zinc shard
he should've had red in his color identity, to reference carrying the flame
past socket
Shaun and Rebecca from ACR getting the Animus
sudden lava
sudden lava
Shaun and Rebecca from ACR getting the Animus
Shaun and Rebecca are also first doctor yep
zinc shard
[[Renowned Weaponsmith]]
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, : Search your library for a card named Heart-Piercer Bow or Vial of Dragonfire, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
1/3
golden plover
WoTC continues to fuck up. The artist couldn't even get a second copy of his own SL deck (they only gave him one)
lusty trench
"I'm contacting wotc to see if they can get more decks in circulation" ohhh this poor artist doesnt get that this is by design
golden plover
Isn't this also just gonna make living end super consistent?
glad peak
There’s a couple variants of living end with the temur variant (the others can’t run VO) being the most consistent but having almost no sideboard plan
glad peak
4c is somewhat doable but the format’s fast enough that it’s actually punishing to get greedy with mana
glad peak
I wouldn’t say VO is a nothing unban (well I said VO was a nothing ban when it happened) since rhinos is back but I don’t think it’s as boosting as people will think
twilit canyon
yeah it just makes a new deck
glad peak
That being said, rhinos is such a bot deck that I’m not sure if it’s a good thing it’s back
twilit canyon
ehhhh is it any more bot-like than the average energy player?
glad peak
Not really but they hit energy too so they were going the right direction
sudden lava
so how many precons we guessing for star trek?
glad peak
1 morbillion
atomic harness
this is so cool. Adam probably has 40 of these
They need to make more of these why are there so few @twilit canyon
The Phyrexian text cards I mean
atomic harness
nodding
zinc shard
You could take any card, replace the text with Phyrexian letters in a random order and no one would challenge you
atomic harness
I wanted surgical Extraction and git probe in Phyrexian yeah
sudden lava
Inb4 star trek set has an alt treatment where the cards are written in klingon
atomic harness
Sigh... I miss him
glad peak
He got his back blown out
atomic harness
He got his back blown out
Rhinos are back 
stark skiff
this is so cool. Adam probably has 40 of these
phyrexian text is garbo kid
stark skiff
sld peak misstep
stark skiff
never knew about that one but yea it looks cool
tardy echo
Ive seen one of them ever in the flesh
But I like to keep up w the promos
It’s a shame that some of the ewk cards are insane art for cards that otherwise have literally no good art at all
/the championship card arts
golden plover
Pioneer season planned for 2027. It's vore time
glad peak
Oh shit?
golden plover
Mentioned looking at running a pioneer season in the banlist stream
zinc shard
I wish they hadn't stopped printing Challenger decks
zinc shard
From what I'm reading, you can still use the Through the Omenpath card styles
golden plover
Yeah, but I was hoping we'd get omenpaths for all of them moving forward
zinc shard
Yeah same here
golden plover
I much prefer in universe cards
trail anvil
it was kinda annoying getting confused about which was which between spiderman and omenpaths names
golden plover
Yeah that was a bit of a downside but consider how much cooler the UW ones were
last glen
guess they figured out the licensing
is there any expiration to when they stop selling the branded cards
golden plover
Also this confirms that spiderman totally was designed as an aftermath set that wasn't going into standard, yeah?
copper pecan
is there any expiration to when they stop selling the branded cards
they said they were gonna stop selling lotr but the date they said they would stop doing that has passed months ago and they still haven't stopped selling it
copper pecan
Also this confirms that spiderman totally was designed as an aftermath set that ...
this was already confirmed a while ago
trail anvil
wasn't the whole thing that they changed it as a result of aftermath bombing
copper pecan
yep
same reason they cancelled big score
they probably would have cancelled the assassins' creed set too if they weren't contractually obligated to release it
trail anvil
I'm still annoyed with how they handled that considering it turned everything into a mythic on arena
subtle sierra
Uh
If it has a lower rarity you use that
Which fucks with stuff like rip using a rare over a mythic
copper pecan
none of the cards in big score had lower rarities on arena when it came out
other than rip in peace
sleek ferry
Thank fucking god I can finally view the awesome superior spider man art over “random white guy with a spider on his head”
@knotty ferry best mtga change ever
golden plover
Don't disrespect Kavero
trail anvil
I think I pulled a RIP as a big score card 😭
sleek ferry
Kavero looks like shit saint
golden plover
Kavero is the backbone of this country
past socket
Yeah Kavaero doesn’t go as hard as Ulti
copper pecan
what about my oomfie [[leyline weaver]]
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copper pecan
love this card
past socket
But as long as they’re giving the option to use either, that’s nice at least
trail anvil
[[spider manifestation]] goes pretty hard
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Some spiders feed on other spiders.
2/2
past socket
Art is subjective after all
trail anvil
makes me think of duskmourn more than spiderman
copper pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/spm/148/spider-manifestation
okay i did not realize this was what leyline weaver's ub art looked like
past socket
Like King of the Coldblood Curse fucks more than Connors
trail anvil
okay i did not realize this was what leyline weaver's ub art looked like
me either until I got curious on scryfall lol
sleek ferry
Also, thank fucking god we’re not having another Spider-Man debacle with super heroes, having to learn double the amount of names for cards was annoying
copper pecan
i love the magic foam finger
trail anvil
yeah but why are they white though