Magic the Gathering

[knotty ferry]

It hits cards

But what does it improve in terms of matchups

Well duress in theory could be good vs noncreature focused decks

So I guess I see your point

What would you replace for duress then @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

I don’t like bats with prismari charm being something that exists

[knotty ferry]

I hate bat too

It's giga broken 20% of the time but 80% it's just terrible for 2 mana

[sleek ferry]

I also just think you’re on too many of siren and beavers, max out on 1 play at max 1-2 of the other

[knotty ferry]

Ok

I

Used to do that

But

Wow I'm typing like needle

Ok so I used to do that, but I legit think beavers has to be a 4 of, and my issue with not having maxed siren is just not having enough creatures for an opening play consistently. Maybe that's tunnelling in on that line of logic but that was my thought

I think if I cut anything it's siren

It feels so much slower going second especially

[rigid scarab]

I was scouting orzhov commanders and found out this guy has cedh use?

I knew he could be a stax card but I didn't expect it to be good

[glad peak]

I have an RCQ on my graduation day

He doesn’t, there was someone who was trying to make him playable but I think he dropped it like a year ago

White black with no other colors is just too rough

For WB in cedh: kambal, lotho (this one actually has legs), Lurrus (this too), and squall are pretty much your only options

[tardy echo]

Which kambal

[inland folio]

ok so i was looking at this pt

[glad peak]

The life drain kambal

[inland folio]

and is the meta basically unchanged after the set came out?

cause that dont sound right

tmnt not chaning much im like, okay its a small set anyways

but 2 in a row is crazy

[atomic harness]

Lotho is good

[inland folio]

esp when this one has good cards

[atomic harness]

Sigh thuggleton likes silverquill

I was trying it out but it seemed like it needs too much setup

[glad peak]

Yep the problem is too much setup

[atomic harness]

you can play tymna dargo and pretend you're red orzhov

[glad peak]

The reason why the others are so good is because they abuse led in some way or because they abuse other player’s actions

Nah tymna dargo requires too much red

[atomic harness]

hm

What does lotho usually win w? also is it just because you have so much free mana from your opps it's easier to win?

Im more familiar w him in the 99

[tardy echo]

It introduced a new deck to the format but it also buffed the best deck(s) drastically

[inland folio]

thats what i gathered

[tardy echo]

But bg is a new and real deck

[inland folio]

feel like they gotta hit green and izzet in some way

[subtle sierra]

did we watch the same pt

[inland folio]

i was just looking at the final games idc what made day 2

[glad peak]

Can’t remember what lotho wins with but it’s overwhelming mana advantage yep

[inland folio]

and by final i mean top 32

[subtle sierra]

selesnya builds were usually ouroboroid but they pivoted to landfall due to erode, which is basically a new deck

and half the spell choices changed in non lesson izzet builds

mainly due to flow state

[atomic harness]

Flow state is nice...

[subtle sierra]

control changed a lot too, and we had a new deck in maestro which sadly sucks ass

[glad peak]

I don’t want to say it’s the abdel line but if it is then lotho can push for silence win line much earlier

[inland folio]

i mean yeah im not saying the cards didnt get added/removed but its what cake said

its just the same decks but even stronger than before

[atomic harness]

Does lotho play the broodlord line or no

[inland folio]

like im not counting dtail post and pre walbaz as meaningful change to the meta

as an example

its just dtail

[subtle sierra]

again, selesnya landfall is a new landfall and i would consider it new

[inland folio]

didnt we see this deck last pt?

[subtle sierra]

no

[inland folio]

or was in the rcq

i feel like ive seen the brightglass gearhulk type of engine around

[subtle sierra]

it literally exists solely due to erode

well selesnya landfall doesn't play gearhulk????

[glad peak]

Lotho probably runs broodlord just because it’s a way into 2 card combos

[inland folio]

oh thats a different deck??

[subtle sierra]

[tardy echo]

Selesnya is a pretty similar deck to the old landfall lists idk

[subtle sierra]

it's not really?

[tardy echo]

Are we looking at the same lists lol

[subtle sierra]

some of the cards overlap but the choices are pretty different

[inland folio]

like i saw golg midrange as a semi new deck but it seemed like an evolution of that black midrange pile (not dimir) people have been trying to make work for a while

[tardy echo]

No that is a v diff deck

[subtle sierra]

like yeah any green landfall deck will play the bird and harmo, but selesnya cuts a lot on icetill and they don't have removal in meltstrider

they also play dyadrine

[inland folio]

not the inevitable defeat deck

[subtle sierra]

mono green also plays nursery cause you know

mono

[inland folio]

again im not saying the decks didnt change

im saying the meta didnt change much

[tardy echo]

I know

But bg delian fell stuff is very different from how mono black midrange plays/played

[inland folio]

ic

the card im most shocked is playable is [[colorstormed stallion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/180/colorstorm-stallion

Colorstorm Stallion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Horse
Ward , haste
Opus — Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn. If five or more mana was spent to cast that spell, create a token that's a copy of this creature.
Prismari students are never afraid to let their imaginations run wild.
3/3

[subtle sierra]

yeah this one caught me off guard when i started seeing it top

didn't expect it too

i remember saying that to a guy on prerelease

[inland folio]

ward helps it a lot ig

so does winternight being a good card

[subtle sierra]

ngl it's mostly cause he's got a slightly bigger ass than slickshot

you can't shoot it with a burst lightning

well without kicker

but with kicker like nice 6 mana removal?

the ward forces your 2 mana removals be 3 mana which can be relevant if you drop it early but it becomes very inconsequential later

[inland folio]

still loses to god card nowhere to run

[subtle sierra]

eh surely into dimir you hold an opt or smth

if you see a nowhere

also nowhere tends to be ass into other elementals

[inland folio]

i mean same is true for this one no?

unless you mean an actual kill spell

[subtle sierra]

most of the removal that izzet is running for 2 mana are bounces

ig it's relevant for vibrant outburst but it also taps it if they prowess it to 4/4

spellementals' "removal" tends to be dropping a crab and saying you can't attack rn and i will punch you for 5 next turn

which turns into 2 mana fast

and you'll have 4-5 mana by then so the ward is kinda meh

like the card is nice as a sum of it's parts but i wouldn't say the ward makes or breaks it

[sleek ferry]

Brightglass gearhulk has always had potential, now it just happened to finally find a home

I love that card so much

all the new gearhulks tbh

[subtle sierra]

uh it kinda lost it's home fast cause the landfall builds don't play it

ouroboroid still does but it seems less popular

we'll see which variant is more popular but i think ppl will be high on erode for the the next month or so

[inland folio]

btw idk who needs to hear this but ban voice of victory

[subtle sierra]

i hate him because of obvious reasons

but also the fucker is a 3/3 in disguise

[inland folio]

just no more bitches him

[subtle sierra]

the problem is that you can just hold him until you have more mana

if you're on combo or shit

it's usually tempo so they can just wait until 5 mana

[inland folio]

atp u have whats ti called

the blue spell with spree

[subtle sierra]

three steps

[inland folio]

there we go

[subtle sierra]

it's not played that much

maybe a 2 of at best but most builds aren't on hard counters rn

they're a lot more important in slower formats, and we're not in one

[inland folio]

ig yeah

[subtle sierra]

although tbf one of the higher scoring control lists is on leviathan

it was funny

like if you look at the best scoring control list, it's only on nml negate and snare

control is very "deal with the shit once it lands" oriented rn

which makes sense cause every good removal in control rn just burns on top

[inland folio]

im ngl i dont like mathemagics

this seems fine tho

[[jeskai revelation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/196/jeskai-revelation

Jeskai Revelation <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand. Jeskai Revelation deals 4 damage to any target. Create two 1/1 white Monk creature tokens with prowess. Draw two cards. You gain 4 life.
"No one of us could have built all this alone. A clan, a school, hope for the future. Thank you all." —Narset, to Shiko, Taigam, and Elsha

[subtle sierra]

am i blind or i don't see one in this list?

[inland folio]

im speaking in general

[subtle sierra]

it's not popular anyway

[inland folio]

i saw people running 1 in either main or side

[inland folio]

so 16 + 9 from defeats

and helix can get in there too

and the monks

[subtle sierra]

the monks are burn too

and critique is a fireball

and you have 2 flashback

i comfortably burned ppl with 4 rev 4 defeat 4 helix before sos, after sos it's just lol

[inland folio]

most people side torpor orbs and rest in peace right

torpor orb seems really strong on the play

[subtle sierra]

control sides tend to be incredibly varied

in addition to them having like 20 playables you wanna run

i expect further tops to pivot back to wan shi tong in side cause ppl saw landfall didn't die to izzet

even though it eats shit to erode

[inland folio]

[[erode]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/15/erode

Erode <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Our lives are built upon our pasts. What happens, then, if we are cut off from them?" —Augusta, dean of order

[sleek ferry]

Izzet losing to aggro/go wide builds is a tale as old as time

[subtle sierra]

i mean, true

[sleek ferry]

This is the same reason why during Vivi’s reign of terror it only won 1 PT and only 2 major tournaments

[subtle sierra]

but ppl turbo overprepared for izzet imo

[inland folio]

how does landfall die to this

[subtle sierra]

wdym yuni

[sleek ferry]

WST he was talking about

Not landfall

[subtle sierra]

i said washington does

yeah

[inland folio]

oh washington

u know a card they should put into standard

[subtle sierra]

landfall now running instant speed removal kinda makes washington poop

[inland folio]

[[terminus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/70/terminus

Terminus <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Put all creatures on the bottom of their owners' libraries.
Miracle (You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)

[subtle sierra]

oh boy i'd fuck with this

considering i love decks with 0 creatures

[sleek ferry]

This man (Yuni) wants control to be good so bad

[subtle sierra]

i think we might get a slaughter list in a month

it;s in a month, right?

[inland folio]

i just find it entertaining it beats earthbend

[sleek ferry]

Slaughter lists never lead to good metas

[subtle sierra]

eh if you want that there's [[ultima]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/38/ultima

Ultima <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and creatures. End the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack, including this card. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)
"Such devastation ... this was not my intention!" —Gaius van Baelsar

[sleek ferry]

So I’m hoping for some conventional hits

[subtle sierra]

i just want the meta not be 50% izzet

even if i'm contributing ig

[inland folio]

idt u can do that without like 4 bans

and idk what the 4 would be

[subtle sierra]

i think you could just rotate crab chasers and slickshot early it would be great

idt izzet would be dead at all but it puts them a notch down

[inland folio]

crab, one of the talents, and then im lost

[sleek ferry]

I really don’t think crab needs to be hit. It’s obnoxious sure, but the card should not be hit

[inland folio]

i mean the thing is its one of the few cards shared between these strategies

[subtle sierra]

i just want one of the synergy pieces die in spellementals

[inland folio]

the izzet decks are overall very different

[subtle sierra]

and i think crab is the way

[inland folio]

hitting one of them doesnt meaningfully hit the others moslty

[sleek ferry]

There’s a real argument for consult to be hit since flow state exists now

[subtle sierra]

bruh

[inland folio]

if they ban cub green just dissapears right

[subtle sierra]

it's not even being played much?

[sleek ferry]

Yes, which is why we shouldn’t hit cub

[subtle sierra]

only control plays it and some lesson builds that are greedier

[sleek ferry]

Green just goes back to Tifa combo

[inland folio]

sleight of hand is the better hit than consult no?

[subtle sierra]

i doubt they hit it tbh

hand is only really that insane due to flow state

[inland folio]

if u wanna go after flow state synergy sleight of hand is the most obvious

[subtle sierra]

and i think flow state is the culprit here

it was fine before

[sleek ferry]

There’s just 0 need for a scaling prosperity to be in the meta

[inland folio]

i mean yeah i agree

[sleek ferry]

I thought consult was fucked before

But it’s even more ridiculous now

[subtle sierra]

but it's not really played unless i missed izzet builds on it?

[inland folio]

yeah it isnt

[subtle sierra]

i saw some in lessons but like i said those builds are greedy af

[inland folio]

im scrolling through rn

[subtle sierra]

idt control needs a pre hit

[sleek ferry]

Well if you want a slaughter list you don’t just hit the problem cards, you consider the ones next in line

[inland folio]

ban spirebluff canal

[sleek ferry]

Or we end up with another Vibi situation

[inland folio]

this is the real hit

[subtle sierra]

it';s rotating anyway

[inland folio]

[subtle sierra]

ok then just kill stock up

idk

[sleek ferry]

Where we hit all the good decks, and Vivi is uncontested

No, stock up doesn’t scale

[inland folio]

i feel like stock is better at most stages in a game

even if u can pay the 4 for consult

[sleek ferry]

Stock being sorcery speed is way more reasonable when vsing decks that want to be in both

[inland folio]

i mean i agree somewhat but i think the actual effect itself + being 1 mana less is just incredibly strong

(if you go looking for 2 cards)

consult is defo more flexible

[sleek ferry]

Consult late game is a lot of the time, 2 mana find exactly what you need to close out a game

[inland folio]

well yeah i agree consult is the much stronger card turn 7-8+

but also atp i think most control games have effectively already ended

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/dimirub/status/2052063773138264326?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

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Very adventure time esque

[knotty ferry]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2051729084850299227

Leonard Williams (@leonardwilliams)

Stepped onto a different battlefield last weekend…

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 5, 2026, 6:21 PM

[sleek ferry]

Isn’t that your boy?

Aren’t you a Seahawks fan

[knotty ferry]

Nah

But he's cool

He's got a good collection apparently

[sudden lava]

New demonic consultation funny name dropped

[tardy echo]

This thugs kid is stock ups #1 fan wow @inland folio

[inland folio]

i still dont understand that new art

why would they need to stock up hell

also theres 3 dudes but you only add 2 cards

[zinc shard]

every study group has a slacker

[subtle sierra]

it's the 3 cards you put back

[stark skiff]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-commander-deck-goblin-storm-decklist

this shit is so sick. too bad ill have to buy the markup.

[sleek ferry]

Not having jeska’s will in it is kind of a bummer ngl

[subtle sierra]

https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=84547&d=842336&f=ST lmao someone topped this with arcane omens

holy chad

[stark skiff]

Oh neat he's playing Aziza. Can't wait for the episode to drop. Dude is chill af even when playing lol.

[tardy echo]

A couple ppl think it was gonna be 3 steps ahead

[tardy echo]

Holy it’s mind twist

[glad peak]

not even close

but yeah as expected it's a card vs control specifically and it's very bad otherwise

[subtle sierra]

ngl if we're siding this into control where you discard 4/5 i'd rather play a wincon

or an aggro tool, cause g1 will last 40 minutes

if you lost g1 your only chance to at least tie is to punch them in the face

[tardy echo]

You just don’t see the vision kid

[glad peak]

i mean, people played [[thought distortion]] for that reason, it's not a great plan and distortion has a much MUCH better textline but there's precedent

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/117/thought-distortion

Thought Distortion <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
This spell can't be countered.
Target opponent reveals their hand. Exile all noncreature, nonland cards from that player's hand and graveyard.
"The skull is rigid, but the mind is so deliciously supple." —Eromena the Mind Render

[glad peak]

mind twist was good because of the random factor and fast mana, neither of which we have kid

[subtle sierra]

the text is a lot better

i'd play this tbh

[golden plover]

Sure dude, we can play it out if you really think you've got an out

[glad peak]

looking closer at the list, it may have been that the guy boarded it in for more aggressive matchups or matchups with any amount of counterspells in general

[subtle sierra]

pocket aetherize

[glad peak]

he 100% boarded out capstone to bring in omens (unless the guy was being dumb) or he just didn't board in omens ever (because there are just better options in his sideboard for that slot)

[twilit canyon]

deflecting palm in response

[tardy echo]

Play lute on 4 float 10 mana turn 5 thats pretty fast mana to me

[golden plover]

Lmao if the mono green deck hits me with deflecting palm they deserve it

[golden plover]

Wait the [[Wedding Announcement]] vampire got divorced

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/51/wedding-announcement-wedding-festivity

Wedding Announcement <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put an invitation counter on this enchantment. If you attacked with two or more creatures this turn, draw a card. Otherwise, create a 1/1 white Human creature token. Then if this enchantment has three or more invitation counters on it, transform it.

Wedding Festivity
Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Vampires from every bloodline mingled together, all swelling with pride to be seen at the event of the century.

[subtle sierra]

huh?

where

[golden plover]

She's on the art of the vandalblast

[subtle sierra]

oh yeah

[golden plover]

Looks like she's handling it well

[subtle sierra]

uhh

but looking at the art

[golden plover]

On Innistrad that's considered a healthy breakup lol

[subtle sierra]

they only got an invite?

they're not the couple that married

[golden plover]

Yeah but they were together lol

Could've just been a breakup and not a divorce

But either way, she's handling that as well as someone on innistrad can

[sleek ferry]

What do these decks usually go for $150?

I might buy

I really enjoy the art on these

[stark skiff]

yea 150 out on the 18th

[sleek ferry]

What do you say Adam, do we get this and turn it Mardu

[stark skiff]

get it for the throne and bombardiers

[inland folio]

til ive somehow pulled 3 of this card

allah really wants me to badger some cubs

[lusty trench]

Really cute detail

[twilit canyon]

historic pauper and they left daze in

im gonna morb

lmfao

i am responsible and can be trusted with daze preordain brainstorm and fetches

also t cruise

yeah lmfao

my opponent played a dogshit 5 drop into my 1 mana serpent and daze

we are playing 2 different formats borther

im about to draw 5 million cards and have more protection up next turn and/or a gurmag in play too

[inland folio]

@subtle sierra just went x=14 in the control mirror with traumatic critique, i feel like a god

ok this lute card is pretty broken

i see what thugs means about consult now

with lute, consult is just quick stock up that scales into the late game

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/cardboardnumber/status/2052148066191577370?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Cardboard by the Numbers (@CardboardNumber)

The Basic Lands That Won Pro Tour Secrets of Strixhaven

X · May 6, 2026, 10:06 PM

[trail anvil]

swamp-kun

[twilit canyon]

swamp...

?

god damn

ppl are coping about new colors all the time

[glad peak]

You don’t understand

If a color isnt top 1 then it’s struggling

Surely

[sleek ferry]

Fine, I’ll be the first person to top a PT with pizza lands

The surge foil pizza lands actually look nice irl Komi…

[tardy echo]

T cruise legal is INSANE

[twilit canyon]

historic pauper is truly the wild west rn except you'll have smart ppl on the broken shit and ppl playing healer's hawk on 1

[copper pecan]

every time they do this event i try mono blue ninjas and every time it's mid to bad

this will not stop me from running it however

[glad peak]

Tbh I might want to try to run the rc gauntlet sooner or later

I got invites from RCQs that I just sold to someone else in the event but never considered actually going because I don’t want to miss school but I’m almost done with that

[knotty ferry]

Healers hawk the 🐐

[twilit canyon]

you turn 1 healers hawk tua
i turn 2 gurmag with protection. we are not the same

[tardy echo]

Ok but then I cast ajanis pridemate t2

Wait pridemate isn’t pauper legal????

[glad peak]

Lifegain

[steady onyx]

anyone know how u build rdw rn?

this is my fragmented deck from like rage mouse

[tardy echo]

Real answer you don’t and you play boros

Slightly less real answer https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-mono-red-aggro-woe#paper

You prob play legit 4x magebane in current standard

[steady onyx]

like dragons? or burn

i kidna wanna try boros burn with flashback

it feels so close to playable

[tardy echo]

Any of the above

[subtle sierra]

the cursed green passage

[subtle sierra]

huh they rarely roll a card that's actually useful

[knotty ferry]

The goat

[subtle sierra]

She really is

against your deck

Although ig i also side it into excruciator

[tardy echo]

@twilit canyon troll of khazad dun got banned because of reanimator right

[twilit canyon]

yes

reliability is too good and too easy to get

[tardy echo]

Do u think it would still be too strong with the other nerfs that deck got

Not that I want it unbanned truly just wondering

[twilit canyon]

i think with the fact that the swamp cycling adds the consistency to the wasteland daze deck would make troll (and reanimate) the defacto best 1 drop in legacy by a mile

even with the other hits around it, as long as reanimate is legal, troll is probably a tad too good

[tardy echo]

Understandable

I’ve just been wondering recently abt which legacy cards would be fine now

[steady onyx]

HELLO IMSTY!!

[twilit canyon]

oko

[inland folio]

[[troll of khazad dun]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/111/troll-of-khazad-dûm

Troll of Khazad-dûm <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Troll
This creature can't be blocked except by three or more creatures.
Swampcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a Swamp card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
"A great cave-troll, I think. There is no hope of escape that way." —Gandalf
6/5

[inland folio]

is there anything im missing or is it genuinely just summon big guy with super menace and start going ham

[steady onyx]

help please

https://archidekt.com/decks/22378165/boros_burn_standard

[sleek ferry]

Swamp cycling for 1 is the most importsnt part of the text here

[tardy echo]

On turn 2 a 6/5 with super menace is pretty good when it also fixes your mana for free

[steady onyx]

bro troll is the GOAT in spy

[inland folio]

well eyah i get that much

like u play a big ass guy and he fixes ur land drops

[steady onyx]

ent is actually better then troll in spy

but they are both good

[inland folio]

but is that really so broken

[tardy echo]

Only if we also unban earthcraft

[twilit canyon]

and you can reanimate it on t2 with protection and often times wasteland

[inland folio]

its just any basic swamp right

[tardy echo]

No

It searches any swamp

[twilit canyon]

yes including [[underground sea]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/323/underground-sea

Underground Sea

Land — Island Swamp
(: Add or .)

[inland folio]

oooh

[tardy echo]

Yeah it fetches duals

[inland folio]

ok this card is broken

i get it now

[steady onyx]

l o l

[twilit canyon]

that whole cycle does

[steady onyx]

idk why

like the cyclers we get now are like

2 for a basic

[inland folio]

are they all banned or just him

[steady onyx]

🤣

[tardy echo]

And somehow only 3 of them were ever particularly good

Just him

Because of reanimation

[steady onyx]

just him in legacy

[twilit canyon]

just the blue/black fetcher basically

[steady onyx]

i mean what lorien him and ent

[tardy echo]

But the G and U ones are also good

[inland folio]

green being good is obvious

[tardy echo]

The red one is playable in like living end

[inland folio]

why is the blue one good

[tardy echo]

The white one has literally never been good

[steady onyx]

brinstorm

brainstorm

[tardy echo]

Because of the 5 it’s the actual best card itself

It’s not brainstorm it’s just a draw 3

[steady onyx]

no

it prevents brainstorm locks

[inland folio]

emeritus of ideation??

[steady onyx]

in pauper with no fetches

[tardy echo]

That is not why it’s good lol

[steady onyx]

i mean

yes

its good in pauper

[tardy echo]

In pauper sure

But people play that card in vintage bro

[inland folio]

wtf is a brainstorm lock

[steady onyx]

like

[tardy echo]

Brainstorm lock is when you cast brainstorm and don’t have a way to move the 2 cards you put on top

So you’re basically locked out of draws for 2 turns

[steady onyx]

[[lorien revealed]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/60/lórien-revealed

Lórien Revealed <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw three cards.
Islandcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for an Island card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
"Look on us now with friendly eyes! Behold the trees of the Naith of Lórien and be glad!" —Haldir

[steady onyx]

heres the card yuni

[inland folio]

oh its a sorcery

[steady onyx]

i mean sure

lol

imagine it was an instant

[inland folio]

i ecpected it to be a 5/5 flyer with ward 2

[tardy echo]

This fetches very good mana and also is just a significantly better card straight up than the other ones

[steady onyx]

yeah

it is so crazy

how like the sultai ones are so popular

[inland folio]

is mulldrifter still good

[steady onyx]

in pauper yes

[tardy echo]

Idt it’s real in real formats

[inland folio]

they should make mauldrifter 2

[steady onyx]

in other formats like no

[tardy echo]

They did

[[nulldrifter]]

[inland folio]

and i dont mean the artifact guy

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/13/nulldrifter

Nulldrifter <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent of their choice.)
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
4/4

[steady onyx]

[[nulldrifter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/13/nulldrifter

Nulldrifter <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent of their choice.)
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
4/4

[steady onyx]

bro

i love stiflenaught in legacy

decks so funny

[inland folio]

oh this isnt the convoke draw 2

[steady onyx]

i mean theres like the artifact ones

[sleek ferry]

It triggers on cast though

Which is a neat thing

[twilit canyon]

this draws on cast which is nice yeah

means you can stifle the etb for convoke much more easily

still nulldrifter has nothing on quantum rizzler

[steady onyx]

bro

that card is busted

[inland folio]

quantum diddler*

[tardy echo]

Wait ok misty hear me out

Arcums astrolabe

[steady onyx]

yuni what formats do you play?

[inland folio]

standard

[twilit canyon]

who was on epstein island!?

[sleek ferry]

Yuni is learning about the game from a far

[twilit canyon]

cum's astrolabe

[steady onyx]

hm pauper best format

i will now leave

[tardy echo]

Also top could probably be unbanned no

[twilit canyon]

my 4c blood moon piles...

[inland folio]

ok so now i understand that pauper is unplayable

[twilit canyon]

no

well

by power yes

[tardy echo]

People just wanna keep them both dead so that there isn’t any durdling

Yeah

lol

[twilit canyon]

by saving ppl from being dipshits and wasting time no

[tardy echo]

Those cards are banned for annoyance factor way more than power

[inland folio]

top seems like a cool card when i see it used in these ancient videos

[tardy echo]

Maybe we should errata top to be once per turn on its first effect

gg

[inland folio]

but also seems like aids for slowplay

[tardy echo]

Then you can’t durdle with it anymore

[twilit canyon]

im afraid it kills some cool combos

[steady onyx]

its cool

[twilit canyon]

if we did that

[steady onyx]

bro u can run

[twilit canyon]

the problem isnt top its magic players

if they could just hurry the fuck up...

[steady onyx]

top and uhm [[counterbalance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/csp/31/counterbalance

Counterbalance <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may reveal the top card of your library. If you do, counter that spell if it has the same mana value as the revealed card.

[steady onyx]

now thats peak

[tardy echo]

Ok fine then we can just add a rule where if you activate top multiple times without moving the top 3 cards of your deck you can be shot to death legally

[sleek ferry]

Pauper is fine, but it existing is an aberration on how much the MTG community loves its alt formats

[inland folio]

oh im saying just saying that based on it being a format areo plays

[tardy echo]

True

[sleek ferry]

Pauper is a broke boys format

[steady onyx]

well i play standard pauper and legacy so are all those formats unplayable?

[sleek ferry]

So Areo playing it isn’t shocking

[tardy echo]

Yes actually

[steady onyx]

i wanna play modern

but idk

[tardy echo]

Misty could you imagine the peak

[steady onyx]

i dont wanna buy titan rn

[tardy echo]

Cradle tap for 5 play earthcraft tap cub untap cradle tap for another 5

[inland folio]

every day we have 9 people in here complaining about moles and niv mizzet

[sleek ferry]

Pauper and commander are probably the least expensive formats to get into

[steady onyx]

pauper is DIRT cheap

[sleek ferry]

Yeah so is commander

[steady onyx]

like u can win a tournament with a like 30$ deck

istg

[inland folio]

but is it good

[tardy echo]

Well I’d hope pauper is cheap bro

[inland folio]

this is the pokemon argument

[tardy echo]

Pauper is like fine

[steady onyx]

idk i really like it

[tardy echo]

It has some decks that probably shouldn’t exist but like

Every format does

[steady onyx]

i think theres some fun interactions

and the metagame is mostly fine

[inland folio]

ban cum lab

[steady onyx]

i think storm needs to go

but thats less its good

more i hate waiting 20 minutes for someone to either win or lose

[sleek ferry]

Pauper and Legacy players are one of the same, in that they think their format is the defacto best format ever, no questions asked

When in reality the formats range from unplayable to “this is fine I guess”

[steady onyx]

i mean i think standard is better sometimes but im poor

well no im not poor

i just dont wanna spend money rn

im saving for a trip

i might go to texas

i cant decide yet

[tardy echo]

I think truly if you want to play a format like legacy/pauper/ even vintage to an extent it’s because it has a deck in it that you really like

Not because of the health of the format as a whole

[steady onyx]

[[balstrade spy]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/66/balustrade-spy

Balustrade Spy <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Rogue
Flying
When this creature enters, target player reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a land card, then puts those cards into their graveyard.
2/3

[steady onyx]

💟

[tardy echo]

You would like that fuckass deck

[steady onyx]

bro the deck is cool in pauper

i also like chris

[tardy echo]

Personally I think pauper would actually be a significantly healthier format if this card didn’t exist

[steady onyx]

i love my 2 mana 5/7

sorry 5/6

right

idk

no 4 / 5

same thing

[steady onyx]

i dont disagreee

[tardy echo]

Proving my point

Like I used to dabble in legacy because cradle control is a very fun deck

[steady onyx]

i do like cradle control

[tardy echo]

And I dabbled in modern because yawgy poggy is my father

Not because I think either format is particularly healthy

[steady onyx]

bro vintage is funny

they got initative

[tardy echo]

I think truly if it wasn’t for the price tag I would find vintage incredibly fun

[sleek ferry]

Realistically, 99% of people are unable to put their biases aside when asking for bans and end up asking for things that would make the format worse

Such as cub ban

[tardy echo]

I mean I don’t disagree that green probably needs a hit

[steady onyx]

I HATE LANDFALL

THE DECK IS FUCKING STUPID

[tardy echo]

But ppl also say like

[steady onyx]

i was fine with cub

landfall goes over the line

[tardy echo]

“Ban cub and (random innocuous izzet card) and the format is saved” like the two are even remotely comparable

[steady onyx]

im not saying ban cub

[tardy echo]

If ur going blow for blow banning cub would be about equivalent to banning like 5 different cards in izzet piles

[steady onyx]

im saying ban earthbenders ascension fabled passage escape tunnel mightform harmonizer

then im happy!

[tardy echo]

Deeply unserious person

[steady onyx]

oh and while were at it ban sazhas choboo

[tardy echo]

Anyways I think that we should ban llanowar elves unironically

[steady onyx]

hm

[tardy echo]

Cub is infinitely more fine if all the dorks you’re playing are either 2 drops or dogshit

[steady onyx]

i mean i really dont give a shit about cub

[twilit canyon]

agree

[steady onyx]

imma be so for real

[tardy echo]

But also ban stormchasers and stock up and boomerang basics

[steady onyx]

i agree that lanowar elves make cub strong

but i just hate the landfall shit

[tardy echo]

Do you know what card makes you lose to the landfall shit

[steady onyx]

cub?

sure

[tardy echo]

I’ll give you a hint it’s the card that gives them 3 landfall triggers for free

[twilit canyon]

flow state realistically

[tardy echo]

Ban both idgaf

Card selection should not be that strong or efficient

[twilit canyon]

replaced dtt entirely more or less

crazy

[sleek ferry]

Flow state is fine in standard

[twilit canyon]

i dont think so

[tardy echo]

This thugs kid really likes drawing cards…

[twilit canyon]

there are really efficient and good spells

sleight of hand opt are both playable

requiting hex burst lightning

theres a lot at 1

and even 2

[tardy echo]

I mean I think flow state is like vaguely more fine than stock up lol but also what a bar

[twilit canyon]

err boomerang basics too

[steady onyx]

bro if blue gets good draw

i think red should get bolt

word me

[twilit canyon]

word but its ban

[tardy echo]

My biggest problem w stock up is how significantly more likely you are to be able to find even more ways to refuel off of it (another stock up, stormchasers, etc.) than if it was just a draw spell

I’m all for like actually just drawing cards whatever but blue just has way too much retention and redundancy with effects like that in current standard

[sleek ferry]

Stormchasers, crab and consult hits address wider issues within izzet/izzet adjacent colors (while leaving lessons untouched which I think is the model student of what izzet decks should be)

[tardy echo]

Consult ban is troll if you’re trying to hit izzet

[sleek ferry]

Consult is an izzet adjacent hit

[tardy echo]

It’s a jeskai hit

Just say that

I’m also a big fan of shooting jeskai to death but banning consult barely touches any of the problematic izzet decks atm

[sleek ferry]

Leaving the only good card advantage spells be sorcery speed is huge for standard

[tardy echo]

I’m not saying that’s wrong but that literally just isn’t an izzet hit

[sleek ferry]

I mean that’s why I said those hits address wider issues within the blue/red family of colors

[tardy echo]

It’s literally just a jeskai hit lol

[twilit canyon]

consult would be a funny hit

it'd be wrong

but it would be funny

[steady onyx]

bro

i wanna play mtg

[tardy echo]

If you wanna reduce card selection across the entire metagame then it would probably be a good hit actually

[twilit canyon]

that said, even in mythic, you see ppl who dont know how to play with the card so how much would u need to hit it

[steady onyx]

cake

wanna come into town and play magic with me

[twilit canyon]

nightmare table placement

[tardy echo]

But shooting jeskai controls ability to actually hold up mana while simultaneously doing very little about the sheer amount of advantage that you can get playing izzet colors is whack

[sleek ferry]

Consult is realistically memory deluge on crack

[knotty ferry]

Lessons the model student? Bars...

[steady onyx]

?

[tardy echo]

You are more worried about a cards hypothetical performance in decks that don’t play it

Than the plethora of draw spells that see consistent usage and results across almost half of the decks in the format

[twilit canyon]

i'd sooner hit sleight of hand ngl

ergo i'd hit neither

[knotty ferry]

[[memory deluge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/75/memory-deluge

Memory Deluge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast this spell. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[tardy echo]

If you wanna reduce the power level without reducing decks consistency then ban crab/stormchasers/slickshot and like Idfk lute but if you wanna reduce consistency grind etc you should be doing it across the board not just for single decks that aren’t even particularly well off in the format

[twilit canyon]

mind you, hitting consistency almost always feels worse too

hit the power cards

[tardy echo]

For the record I think there’s a line where consistency should be and I think standard is quite a bit past it right now

[sleek ferry]

Again, the idea of hitting consult is to limit your card advantage to sorcery speed advantage, which in a meta where the swingy turns are t3 and t4 is great for the rest of the meta. Hitting crab is already hitting your main payoff of decks that like to play flow state

[tardy echo]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that except for the fact that the best decks in the format are already only playing sorcery speed advantage spells lol

[sleek ferry]

And lute is again, a fine card due to the commitment the card requires

I actually think lute is terrible

Personally

[tardy echo]

And we spent months of prowess still being an extremely strong deck with people playing ZERO copies of crab in it

[steady onyx]

i think thats cope

[tardy echo]

I think lute is mid

Just like jeskai control

[steady onyx]

yeah

i dont think its terrible though

as thugs said

[sleek ferry]

4 mana do nothings have historically always been shitted on, yet somehow lute gets glazed

[tardy echo]

People also thought sheoldred was a 4 mana do nothing when she got revealed

Just because it sits dead on turn 4 doesn’t make it a do nothing lol

[steady onyx]

bro

but its not a 4 mana do nothing lol

[sleek ferry]

Sheoldred had the advantage of being in a standard that had some of the worst removal I’ve ever seen in standard

[steady onyx]

am i crazy that you dont play lute t4??

i havent played format enough but lute feels like the card u play t5

[sleek ferry]

It wasn’t until exactly 2 sets later that we got the appropriate amount of removal to answer threats like sheoldred

[tardy echo]

Artifact removal isn’t exactly plentiful for most colors in current standard either

Regardless missing the point

Not that I think lute is as strong as sheoldred but it is a card that basically says “win the game next turn or you’ll lose”

[sleek ferry]

Well that’s the thing though, lute still doesn’t say “win the game”

[tardy echo]

It pretty much does

[sleek ferry]

You still need your Jeskai revelation to 2 for 1 your opponent next turn, and if it doesn’t you’re sitting there with your dick in your hand like “oh”

[twilit canyon]

the part that says "double your mana" is actually just a fancy way to say "win the game"

note: badger mole cub is responsible for this too

but unlike cub, where it animates one thing

lute more or less animates all your lands at once

[tardy echo]

Lute also significantly harder to remove especially in game 1

[sleek ferry]

The issue is that lute decks in particular are never actually threatening a kill on 5, and much like everybody’s favorite cope deck Omni, you can whiff on finding the perfect combination of interaction to prevent your opponent from making relevant actions on t5

[tardy echo]

Omni is a very strange one to mention when abuelos put you in a very similar situation and had to be banned lol

[sleek ferry]

Most people in this chat agree that abuelos was a bad hit, but that’s besides the point

Omni has always been capable of whiffing

Even now with the most consistency it has ever had, it still whiffs

[tardy echo]

Who is most people

[sleek ferry]

Misty, spat, Areo, Yuni

I can probably convince solar as well

[tardy echo]

So 3 trolls and someone who doesn’t think abuelos was a bad hit

[sleek ferry]

@subtle sierra you down for abuelos should have never been banned?

[tardy echo]

Word me @twilit canyon

[sleek ferry]

That whole murder list was kinda troll to me ngl

[subtle sierra]

No

[tardy echo]

This town was a weird hit the rest was good

[subtle sierra]

They introduced more omni enablers later

That had more counters

[tardy echo]

It’s unfortunate that they ignored Vivi though

[subtle sierra]

So i think abuelos had to go at that point of time

[sleek ferry]

Nah, a lot of double hits that shouldn’t have happened. Hitting town is fine, but don’t also hit nightmare. Hitting nemesis is fine, but don’t also hit Mickey Mouse

[tardy echo]

Beans was a design mistake csc was super broken endless nightmare could probably have been fine power level wise but created horrifying non-games

Also nemesis didn’t get banned until later

No?

[sleek ferry]

Was it not that list?

[tardy echo]

Csc/mouse was technically a double hit though

No

I’m p sure Vivi and nemesis were banned together

I think just nightmare ban would’ve been fine but tbf this town would probably have been a very gnarly card with Vivi

And I think nightmare while not actually like broken just created extremely unenjoyable play patterns

[sleek ferry]

Regardless, the double hits were overkill, which compounded to form the Vivi dominated meta we got

[tardy echo]

Pixie was the only deck that really got double hit lol

The issue was mostly just ignoring Vivi not that they overhit other stuff

Bc also aside from overlords all of the other decks they hit were still successful post list

Though pixie had to wait for eoe

[subtle sierra]

List was nemesis vivi profts

Iirc

[tardy echo]

Yeah that sounds right

[sleek ferry]

Vivi was a newish deck at the time, you could argue that murder list could have had proft’s, but proft wasn’t widely recognized as the problem card it would eventually become later on

[tardy echo]

Profts mostly got broken broken by rizzler

[subtle sierra]

Imo profts fomo was an issue even without eoe

[sleek ferry]

The issue with proft within Vivi was that it was a mana positive play

[tardy echo]

It was still good I agree but I think you could have argued profts wasn’t the actual problem among those cards before riddler

[sleek ferry]

It replaced itself, gave your Vivi an immediate counter and was cheap af at 2 mana

[subtle sierra]

I mean ig

[sleek ferry]

If proft was 3 mana, it wouldn’t have been banned (probably)

[subtle sierra]

I could see that i just think fomo profts was not ok

[tardy echo]

1 mana is a huge deal yes

Fomo was generally a very not okay card

For a pretty long stretch

[sleek ferry]

FOMO is broken

[tardy echo]

I think at that point in time a not unsubstantial amount of people would’ve said to ban fomo

[sleek ferry]

I mean I think the fomo discussion goes back to, do you ban the enabler or the payoff

[tardy echo]

Fomo is both sort of

[sleek ferry]

In fomo’s case, it by itself was an enabler, but it required more cards than just itself to do that enabling

[tardy echo]

Was also the issue

[sleek ferry]

It’s not as clear cut as say flow state (enabler) vs crab (payoff)

[inland folio]

bro lute drawing comes up way more than i realized

that card draws like 4 for me sometimes

i get why people say library of alexandria is broken now

[knotty ferry]

Wait what do I think?

Bro I never played when that card was legal

[inland folio]

bro i didnt even play with this card why are u mentioning me

i think realistically you either kill cub and like every draw spell + monument or u hit like 10 cards so that cub and izzet can still be good while not dominant

idt mtg does like 16 card banlists tho

so realistically its like cub and 3-4 izzet cards

also if its ever a question betweeen stock up and consult, ban stock up bro

that card is fucking broken

[sleek ferry]

Both of you should just agree with me and call it a day

[knotty ferry]

[twilit canyon]

i think abuelos could have been allowed cus the card and deck were bad but... yea like it was a good ban at the time ultimately if they wanted to keep omni (why tf did they wanna keep omni)

[tardy echo]

Insane

[golden plover]

Omni was in the top 4 decks at the time in the RPS meta

There was no world where we should've kept Abuelos

Well there is, and it's actually the correct hit but they wouldn't do it

[inland folio]

tbh omni to me seems like a card thats very fun to play with and watch but is overall bad for a meta

[golden plover]

The correct move would've been Omni itself

[golden plover]

Literally this. If Omni is ever good it's a problem

And outside of like tier 3 jank, Omni isn't good rn

But for full health sake, I think the correct move would've been to ban Omni

I also don't know why half of y'all in this chat think Omni with Abuelos would've been fine longer. They've stated before that non-games are a valid reason to ban a card (Hopeless Nightmare) and Omni is about as non-game as you can get

They just didn't interact until they had Omni on 4 or 5 and a player lost that turn

[copper pecan]

yeah omni is one of those cards that is effectively just "you win the game" and is only balanced by being too expensive to play normally

but with kona around it's now relatively easy to play which makes it busted

[golden plover]

Kona is WAY more interactive than Abuelos was too

I don't think the card is broken with Kona

With Abuelos you had to either counter it on the spot or exile the card from their graveyard in response or you just lost most of the time

[sleek ferry]

I like how we're calling it an RPS meta, when mono red literally had EXTREMELY favorable matchups vs both Prowess and Omni

There's a reason why Prowess couldn't do shit in finals vs mono red

it was an RPS meta in the sense that rock was literally being smashed into prowess (scissor) and omni (paper) skulls

[tardy echo]

Again who is half of y’all it’s literally just thugs lmao

[golden plover]

And mono red got hit extra hard lol. Outside of mono-red it was a 3 deck format for second place

[golden plover]

Misty was also saying it'd be fine lol

[sleek ferry]

Because you guys have 0 anecdotal evidence that proves otherwise lol. We can look at the PT's pre murder list vs post murder list and see that the murder list had more of a negative effect on the meta than it did good. Vivi and to a lesser degree, abuelo's rise directly corrolates to said murder list

[golden plover]

Abuelos was part of the murder list?

[sleek ferry]

PT Aetherdrift

[golden plover]

Also, I highly doubt Esper Bounce and 4c Beans would've kept Vivi in check lol

The deck was just playing so much better stuff than anything they had access to

Taking a turn off to play a Hauntwoods on 3? Cool Vivi will make a 9/9

[tardy echo]

Fine by power level (which it would’ve been lol) but still a good ban

[golden plover]

Either way, we can argue whatever we want about if we think keeping random shit from the slaughter list around would've prevented Vivi but there's really no way of knowing

And personally, half of those cards were design mistakes so lol lmao

[twilit canyon]

yeah i will never be convinced that deck was actually good. it was fine, but it wasnt banworthy outside of omni itself being an issue to leave in standard for as long as foundations is

[steady onyx]

omni whiffs a lot ngl

even with this koma list recently

or kona

whatever the fuck

even when they stuck omni there were some times i just wasnt scared

[sleek ferry]

I don’t see Omni as an issue tbh, linear decks like that being able to exist is a good thing imo

[steady onyx]

mr thugsy wugsy

how u doing this fine day

[sleek ferry]

And yes, I also think the deck itself has always been mid in standard

[steady onyx]

actualy i lie

[twilit canyon]

i agree that doesnt mean the card isnt annoying anyways when its good in a format like standard

[steady onyx]

with stockup i think decks p good

when omni had the good draw stuff

i actually think the deck was more playable

[twilit canyon]

its annoying in eternal formats too but its more bearable cus at least there you just know the kill is coming

[steady onyx]

what u playing rn

modern still?

[sleek ferry]

I think some toxic shit is fine to exist in the format as long as it’s one tone

[twilit canyon]

bit of everything

[steady onyx]

is excruciator really better then the 5c pile?

[twilit canyon]

yeah sure

[steady onyx]

i kinda have an itch to play reanimator in standard

but excruciator really dosent interst me ngl

i wanna play like the pile of shit

[golden plover]

Reanimator is gonna lose a ton rn

Everyone ever is on grave hate, some mainboarded

[steady onyx]

😭

nvm then

ill stick to boros burn

[golden plover]

It's not because Reanimator is good or anything lol, it's because of Izzet and the like

[steady onyx]

t1 boltwave

t2 helix

[twilit canyon]

this is the time to play ketramose and maindeck relic

[steady onyx]

t3 flashback helix

t4 double helix

[golden plover]

So you're catching strays because the best decks all care about their graveyard

[steady onyx]

ggwp

[sleek ferry]

Just play boros dragons if you want to play a budget brew Areo

[golden plover]

Yo wait youre right, this is the perfect format for Ketramose

But Ketramose players are so annoying they won't notice

[steady onyx]

i dont wanna play dragons

[golden plover]

They're too busy wasting everyone's time ride's ending 1/1s and losing 37 turns later

[sleek ferry]

Mardu discard is also a very fun deck all things considered

[steady onyx]

i think there are. aslot of coold ecks in standad

however

they

are

expensive

and id rather buy a modern or legcy deck that wont rotate

[golden plover]

Mardu Discard has the same issue as Reanimator, but it's at least playable

[steady onyx]

then a standard deck

[sleek ferry]

Well yeah, mardu discard plays 4x moonshadow and 4x monument, that’s like $200 there by itself

[golden plover]

Mardu Discard catches a bunch of strays in graveyard hate too

[subtle sierra]

don't all discard variants pivot to cool but rude?

[sleek ferry]

Depends what type of gy hate it is tbh, academic exists

[steady onyx]

cool but rude is cool

i like gamble

[sleek ferry]

And academic is high key the coolest card in sos

Boros psychic frog my beloved

[steady onyx]

someone hasnt read erode

[golden plover]

Yeah Mardu can survive the hate

But it does have to accept that it's gonna happen

I'm playing Selsenya Protection rn and this shit is fun as fuck

[stark skiff]

https://preview.redd.it/msc-lucky-the-pizza-dog-via-kevin-smith-facebook-v0-ur0gs4kutrzg1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=fb4d4aadd9720001dff0836d64cda101363fef7b

[zinc shard]

damn beat me to it

[subtle sierra]

More reveals?

[sleek ferry]

Wait

Why doesn’t he make a food on etb wtf

[glad peak]

Damn this guy stinky

But hes cute so I’ll let it slide

We gotta get a Jeff the shark card soon

[sleek ferry]

He would have been great if he made a food on etb

[copper pecan]

i'm pretty sure this is a welcome deck card

it's not supposed to be good

[glad peak]

He wouldn’t be good even then but yeah hes just supposed to be a cute lil guy

[golden plover]

Oh my God it is NYC block

There's even pizza in all the cards

[golden plover]

That's the standard set symbol

This is main set

[subtle sierra]

it;s not?

[golden plover]

Wait is it not?

[subtle sierra]

no

[golden plover]

Oh lmao

[copper pecan]

it isn't, it just looks very similar

[glad peak]

Oh hey I forgot about zemo

[golden plover]

These set symbols look exactly the same in my head

[subtle sierra]

it's the commander symbol

[golden plover]

Weird that they didn't make the other one a shield of some sort

They usually do that for those

[glad peak]

I remember people were complaining and getting mad about the idea of being able to play a nazi as your commander

[golden plover]

He's actually the second Nazi you can pick

[[Swarm, Winged Whatever]] is also a Nazi

[lost widget]

No card found for “Swarm, Winged Whatever”

[hidden ermine]

Surely there are more Jaces that are commander-legal than that

[golden plover]

Whatever his name is

[glad peak]

The first one being nissa, I know

[golden plover]

[[Swarm, Being of Bees]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/69/swarm-being-of-bees

Swarm, Being of Bees <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Insect Villain
Flash
Flying
Mayhem (You may cast this card from your graveyard for if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
"Evil never dies. It just becomes bees." —Swarm, Fritz von Meyer
2/2

[golden plover]

Wow that's even dumber than winged something lol

[copper pecan]

this is the greatest flavor text i have ever seen

what did he mean by this

[hidden ermine]

If I remember correctly he avoids death by transferring his consciousness into a swarm of bees

Oh no not quite

He gets devoured by bees and his consciousness takes control of the swarm

[past socket]

Any major figure from Hydra too ig

[glad peak]

Polukranos?

[past socket]

Clearly meant Gargos /j

[tardy echo]

WAIT

Tierzoo is a commander player it all makes sense now

@sleek ferry

[glad peak]

🫵 late

What gave it away?

[tardy echo]

I saw a video featuring him talking about it

Didn’t pay attention just saw edh ft tierzoo

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry you can finally make a full pizza deck

[sleek ferry]

Very funny control matchup

I was looking for the white spell that draws a card and adds life equal to the amount of cards in your hand, but it rotated out lol

That used to be my shit back when I first played Abzan control

[knotty ferry]

Abzan and mardu ...

[knotty ferry]

I'm at the store championship and there's someone here who looks like you @sleek ferry

Same hairline and everything

Imma ask him what he thinks of chipotle

[sleek ferry]

Is he as good as me though

[knotty ferry]

Idk

I lost 2-1 to the green white pro tour deck

HOW IS BADGERMOLE CUB A REAL CARD

[sleek ferry]

Did you get a nice promo for participating in the store championship?

[knotty ferry]

I WON ROUND 2 HOLY SHIT

2-1 VS THE MEME DECK

Test

[knotty ferry]

Ok I lost 0-2

[inland folio]

[[ketramose]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/209/ketramose-the-new-dawn

Ketramose, the New Dawn <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — God
Menace, lifelink, indestructible
Ketramose can't attack or block unless there are seven or more cards in exile.
Whenever one or more cards are put into exile from graveyards and/or the battlefield during your turn, you draw a card and lose 1 life.
Let the past die so the future might live.
4/4

[knotty ferry]

To the pro tour deck

[inland folio]

i lost to this card once

[knotty ferry]

And I dropped cause it was gonna end late af

[inland folio]

dude was playing an anti gy pile

[knotty ferry]

Dude

Surrak violated my bussy like 3 games today

That card is ridiculous

The X green white robot dude is also broken

[glad peak]

[sleek ferry]

Yeah the more I play him, the better I think he is

How was your overall tournament experience though?

[knotty ferry]

fun

one dude just came back from smoking cigs so i had to smell cig smoke which was not fun

but other than that

it was good

[sleek ferry]

Better than smelling like shit ig

[glad peak]

Don’t be rude to my boi spat, he doesn’t smell like shit

[inland folio]

[[surrak]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “surrak”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

surrak these nuts

[sleek ferry]

@knotty ferry you could have gotten these if you topped sigh https://x.com/droodht/status/2052872363167941005?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Drood (@DroodHT)

These look sick.

X · May 8, 2026, 10:04 PM

[sleek ferry]

[[surrak elusive hunter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/161/surrak-elusive-hunter

Surrak, Elusive Hunter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
This spell can't be countered.
Trample
Whenever a creature you control or a creature spell you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, draw a card.
"I've spent my life feeding Atarka's desire and hungers. It's time to see to my own."
4/3

[sleek ferry]

The fact that you draw off them interacting with your creatures on the stack is so good

[inland folio]

yeah this card is aids

[sleek ferry]

I mean, this is the type of card green needs more of tbh

[inland folio]

oh hes aggressively statted too

why is every green card like, 2 mana 9/9 if ur opp breaths win

and theyre somehow unplayable

[atomic harness]

Goat

Wasn't there that baloth card but now he sucks, crazy

[[frenzied baloth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/183/frenzied-baloth

Frenzied Baloth <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
This spell can't be countered.
Trample, haste
Creature spells you control can't be countered.
Combat damage can't be prevented.
Not all species on Evendo welcomed the thawing of the ice.
3/2

[knotty ferry]

oh i hate this card

[atomic harness]

Holy this thing has 4 abilities

[[questing beast]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/171/questing-beast

Questing Beast <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Beast
Vigilance, deathtouch, haste
Questing Beast can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
Combat damage that would be dealt by creatures you control can't be prevented.
Whenever Questing Beast deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls.
4/4

[inland folio]

every green card has 17 abilities bro

[atomic harness]

questing beast has 6

[inland folio]

and is oversttated

and costs 1 mana

[atomic harness]

Nice balanced cards son

[inland folio]

balanced? bro somehow theyre all unplayable

[knotty ferry]

[[badgermole cub]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/167/badgermole-cub

Badgermole Cub <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Badger Mole
When this creature enters, earthbend 1. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
Whenever you tap a creature for mana, add an additional .
Every mountain starts as a molehill.
2/2

[atomic harness]

How is green still losing to slickshot sama

[inland folio]

exactly bro

[atomic harness]

what's going on...?

[sleek ferry]

Selesnya landfall pretty comfortably beats prowess son

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

Erode-chan...

[inland folio]

every green deck is playing fp tearlaments, and somehow theyre losing to edison decks

[sleek ferry]

Lessons continues being the striker of all izzet decks (as in, the most skill expressive)

[glad peak]

That’s because the players

Put a competent player in front of those decks and they won the pro tour

[glad peak]

Hairy tarantula

[sleek ferry]

Yes and no, the PT everybody prepped for landfall they were in the same position as prowess was this last PT

Like I said, MTG pros are just the best at addressing format boogeymans

[inland folio]

only one at a time tho

if theres 2 men, theyre cooked

[glad peak]

I know, that’s why I always gave people shit for saying badgermole was washed and actually a bad card

[sleek ferry]

Well selesnya landfall was a new deck

Mono green landfall only had 1 person too iirc? Or maybe it was 0

I know it was 2 Selesnya, 1 lessons, 1 Azorius

[glad peak]

Maybe I’ll borrow a friend’s deck for standard to get frogs

But theyre likely to crater in price

So maybe I just wait and buy them later

[knotty ferry]

also

there was some green instant

[sleek ferry]

Oh 3 Selesnya, 1 spellementals, 2 mono green landfall, 1 lessons, 1 Azorius

[knotty ferry]

that was just insane

i forgot the name

[sleek ferry]

What did it do

[knotty ferry]

it was like every other green spell

does like 12 things

[sleek ferry]

Oh