Magic the Gathering

[subtle sierra]

so ig the top8 is this then?

[trail anvil]

[[swallowed by leviathan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/79/swallowed-by-leviathan

Swallowed by Leviathan <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose target spell. Surveil 2, then counter the chosen spell unless its controller pays for each card in your graveyard. (To surveil 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)

[trail anvil]

interesting card, surprised I haven't seen it elsewhere

[subtle sierra]

i was testing it before

but of i'm no pro so

(mostly cause i sold my 3 steps and didn't want to buy them again)

it's technically funny in lessons if you want a hard counter but don't play monument

cause it can mill lessons but it's also a weakness in that if they have gy hate this just doesn't work

[trail anvil]

I can see the vision though, a bit less modality than three steps but you get the value condensed into 3 mana

[subtle sierra]

i think it's genuinely cause it's easier to cast in a tablet build

generally cancel needs 2 blue mana

t4 you can tablet into a mill blue land, play it, and still have a cancel live with leviathan

tablet's main upside over lute is that the turn you drop one you can still have spells live

deckbuilding around it seems mandatory

which is likely why the build forgoes nml helix and goes for red removal

i was testing running burst lightning and sear as removal

this goes the mile and plays barrage

i think they expected a lot of golgari cause it has walkers

and 5 isn't bad into landfall if the stupid bird is big

[trail anvil]

I get the tablet hype too when it still allows you to drop revelation t5 while not being just a pass for a turn

lute seems more explosive but this seems more reliable? I could be wrong over time

[subtle sierra]

i'm not sure anymore tbh

lute is always akward cause it floats mana

[trail anvil]

I think this is a vast difference from people who called tablet trash tho tbh

[subtle sierra]

it's more clunky than it seems

yeah i've come around to it

[trail anvil]

yeah in 3c I'm sure it's very awkward

[subtle sierra]

ppl play 4c with it and like

me wanting to resolve defeat is pain

[trail anvil]

right

the doubling isn't as effective when part of it has to go to black

and white on certain hands

[subtle sierra]

you tap 3 and float red white and then you cope you have helix?

it's weird

i mean ig you could see it as 1 mana discount

oh and i've been theorycrafting a jeskai lessons variant

with tablet

it can technically drop a rev/capstone at 4

that's potentially game winning right there, but needs a lot of moving parts

also i'm not sure how many lands it would run

lessons run 22 but surely you want 24-26?

something like this? maybe 2 capstone is greedy

[fallow citrus]

sigh getting my local playgroup to play cube is like impossible

too commander brained

[subtle sierra]

commander ruins everything again

[fallow citrus]

truly

it's vintage cube as well so it's just silly fun

[vivid hatch]

Found a second gpt RuFoil vents

absolute banger deal on it, too

[knotty ferry]

Bro found chatgpt cards

[vivid hatch]

naw

ts shi

This is my first, second one is minty, but waiting on pics :<

[subtle sierra]

nice deck, idiot

[knotty ferry]

This guy...

[subtle sierra]

hey i'm killing badgers

that's what you wanted

although idk why the guy didn't just play them back just to mill some other lands

[sleek ferry]

Nice job critic

Did you preemptively call fabled or did you call it after it was already in gy?

[subtle sierra]

like 2 turns later

i wish i could call it outright but it was still good to stop the ramp

actually this deck works so nice wtf

this even has 0 rares in the non lands

you can just spend the 12 rares you get initially for lands

[knotty ferry]

[[swallowed by leviathan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/79/swallowed-by-leviathan

Swallowed by Leviathan <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose target spell. Surveil 2, then counter the chosen spell unless its controller pays for each card in your graveyard. (To surveil 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)

[subtle sierra]

my lord t4 rev to disrupt into t5 kill is so good

guess ik what i'm playing at work tomorrow

[knotty ferry]

Btw, what decks do izzet decks side in ral, crackling wit (Planeswalker) for? I assume it's ones without Planeswalker removal?

[subtle sierra]

those or decks that you might need to grind vs

lessons have no walker removal besides bouncing with boomer

[knotty ferry]

I see

I assume when you say decks you need to grind vs, it's mainly control decks?

[subtle sierra]

more or less, yeah

[knotty ferry]

I haven't played izzet decks so I can't picture it in my head

[subtle sierra]

maybe into some midrange

[knotty ferry]

Ok makes sense then

Wait, when you create a new mtga account, how quickly can you hop into ranked?

[subtle sierra]

immediately

[knotty ferry]

Oh ok

Maybe I try that

So I can play a diff deck

Getting rares is fucking impossible lmao

It's insane

[subtle sierra]

you have to go to the account settings to enable game modes though

[fallow citrus]

I'm officially bored of commander now

[subtle sierra]

and you can also skip the tutorial there

[fallow citrus]

yeah it's my big issue with mtga

[subtle sierra]

it's tedious but you can set up an account in like 5 mins

[knotty ferry]

I have a few mythic wildcards but rares is just...so hard

[subtle sierra]

i think i have triple digits of accounts at this point

which is lol

[knotty ferry]

Ok that is insane lol

[subtle sierra]

pro tip

you need a "new" email

[knotty ferry]

All the cards are spread out across sets so it's just hard to pull from packs roo

Too

Yeah I have infinite emails

[subtle sierra]

but if you put [email protected]

it will redirect to [email protected]

[knotty ferry]

Oh

[subtle sierra]

you don't need a second email just add smth after the +

[knotty ferry]

I see

[subtle sierra]

you can also name accounts like that

[knotty ferry]

Wait actual + sign?

[subtle sierra]

yes

[knotty ferry]

Interesting...

🕵️

[subtle sierra]

email protocol supports that

mine are like colors + deck type

[knotty ferry]

Lmfoao

Crazy

[subtle sierra]

like [email protected]

well i told you i have triple digits

i have this down to a science

also

very important

make an account through wizards accounts

google that

then confirm your email

you get slightly more shit then

5 jump in tokens and 2000 gold

[knotty ferry]

Uhhh

Ok

[subtle sierra]

the 2 color jump in packets from lorwyn have shock lands

[knotty ferry]

I'll try

[subtle sierra]

btw

so if you're lucky you might pull a free shock

[knotty ferry]

Wait, I thought this was the only way to make accounts?

[subtle sierra]

nah you can do it in client

but you might not get the jump in shit

it's inconsistent

the way i described is consistent tho

[knotty ferry]

Ah

Ok

[subtle sierra]

if you do it in client they ask "how much magic you played" and it affects if you get into spark rank and if you get the jump in shit

i can't be bothered to test

also also, the clients shits the bed on first log in, you will have all cards have white borders

and you can't turn on "show phases"

because ????

just a minor thing

i usually grab the free packs, turn on all game modes, then restart

[knotty ferry]

Ok

I'll try

I just made a new acc

The + thing worked lol

[subtle sierra]

like i said, it's part of the email protocol

sometimes things filter out the + but otherwise you should be able to send emails like that

otherwise it's a bug

[knotty ferry]

Actually I just realized the only rare in spellementals is winter night stories

I think

[[sunderflock]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/74/sunderflock

Sunderflock <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest mana value among Elementals you control.
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, return all non-Elemental creatures to their owners' hands.
5/5

[knotty ferry]

Nvm

[subtle sierra]

nah sunderflock

[knotty ferry]

This is too

[subtle sierra]

some play stallion

[knotty ferry]

Ugh!

[subtle sierra]

and they play critique now

you could play attachments but obv critique is better

[knotty ferry]

Well

I can just play the one that got top 8

The eddymurk/hearth/sunderflock

Classic build

Still 7 rares is annoying

[subtle sierra]

ye sure it's perfectly fine

bro has not played control in arena 💀

the whole deck is rares

[knotty ferry]

Yeah I saw that

I wanted to play it

I do like the spell slinging decks tho

Like playing all the cheap draw cards seems fun

Opt, sleight etc

[subtle sierra]

you get to play a lot less lands with those which is mostly very nice

until you keep a 2 lander and get fucked

but otherwise it's a nice upside to have

[knotty ferry]

yo how do i beat that golgari dellian fel lifegain burn shit

why does it start at 5 hp and go to 7 thats so insane lol

im like 0-3 vs it

[tardy echo]

You play aggro and kill them before they can stick him

It’s a good deck he’s the best card

[sleek ferry]

The deck has an insane matchup vs Dimir

[subtle sierra]

why my land no work

[subtle sierra]

wait i just noticed

you can counter capstone with a spell it casts for free?

[vivid hatch]

Are cedh players insane

[subtle sierra]

yes

[knotty ferry]

like to counter itself?

on the stack?

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[knotty ferry]

lol thats troll

[subtle sierra]

at least arena lets you

[vivid hatch]

My friend Keith here was trying to buy a praetors grasp, in Russian foil, he offered 250 usd which is a slight lowball considering I know one sold over a year ago for 400

[subtle sierra]

idk that's a free prowess trigger idk

[vivid hatch]

but HOLY SHIT

800 euros is like almost a grand

[knotty ferry]

that's some generous rounding

[vivid hatch]

a grand usd

[knotty ferry]

oh

right

[vivid hatch]

do I list mine for 1000

[knotty ferry]

what languages are mtg cards printed in currently

for lik erecent sets

[vivid hatch]

English Spanish French German Italian Japanese

[sleek ferry]

@tardy echo I’m testing mono green stompy right now

[glad peak]

Why

[subtle sierra]

silver is a vibe

[vivid hatch]

Check the post I sent

Paying damn near a grand for a praetors grasp

💀

[glad peak]

Imagine paying for your cards like a chump

Especially when you’re playing cedh

[vivid hatch]

Made out of money

idk

[knotty ferry]

We can't all be like adamwest

[glad peak]

cedh = casual edh

[sleek ferry]

I hope I’m making Gaytor proud

Turns out that Jeskai revelation doesn’t really matter when your creatures have over 4 toughness

[subtle sierra]

i mean

did he just not bounce and hit face

[sleek ferry]

Yeah you can, but then you reset my ETB’s

[tardy echo]

Holy unfinity tomb

[atomic harness]

Thoughts? @sleek ferry @subtle sierra

[subtle sierra]

i wrote about this already

selesnya builds are on 4 mained

it's ok

there's a lot to this considering you can target earthbent lands

[atomic harness]

Yeah it looks neat

[atomic harness]

Do you like this @tardy echo

[tardy echo]

Good card is good

I already said that erode is way more playable for self ramp than path was

And that was like a secret god mode on path

[sleek ferry]

It makes perfect sense considering they’re on Harmonizer

2 Harmonizer triggers are gg

[atomic harness]

Thank you sons

[past socket]

Earthbending is really interesting ngl

[copper pecan]

all the bending mechanics are pretty cool

[subtle sierra]

eh

i find waterbending a bit meh

[sleek ferry]

Nah waterbending is based

It’s better convoke

[knotty ferry]

Earthbending is aids

Fuck that shit

[glad peak]

I mean, that’s basically what the harmonizer deck did last pro tour

[sleek ferry]

Kinda yeah, Harmonizer deck had a wider matchup spread and went a bit slower

This is more of a slot that just fills a niche and works, but not necessary

[glad peak]

No I mean they literally sacced their own land with earthbend on it to find lethal

Tbh almost no one used path for ramp in its standard because there wasn’t really a want to do it

It’s not because no one thought about it

Anyways who’s excited for a video in a couple weeks/months labeled “the best/most crazy pro tour final ever”

[atomic harness]

Mudkip what was that cleansing wildfire deck

It had like glint hawk synthesizers

then the mh2 artifact dual lands

[glad peak]

Boros bully?

What about it

[atomic harness]

oh why is it called bully

[glad peak]

It’s an old name

[atomic harness]

It reminded me of what cake was saying, path to exile your own guy to ramp

the idea there seems the same you cleansing wildfire your indes land, ramp and draw

[glad peak]

It was because when the deck got created (it was practically exclusive to pauper) delver was top tier and this deck 80-20’d delver

This was still before wildfire

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

[glad peak]

You’re welcome grandpa

[atomic harness]

I think you're older than me

[glad peak]

Now go take your meds and go to sleep

[twilit canyon]

classic idea only this time its way better bc of earthbend

you earthbend your land -> kill it, get it back + ramp

[glad peak]

Yeah I’m sick of people saying path was a lot better as a ramp tool when it wasn’t

More common take than you think

[atomic harness]

[knotty ferry]

Aight what's going on on stream

Ppl r saying stuff is being taken back

I missed it

[[keen eyed curator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/181/keen-eyed-curator

Keen-Eyed Curator <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Raccoon Scout
As long as there are four or more card types among cards exiled with this creature, it gets +4/+4 and has trample.
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
"Now this one's a real collector's item. They say Lily Emberseed herself drank from this mug when she was still Lily of Valley."
3/3

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/i/status/2051027791915696349

Anthony Avon .Art (@AnthonyAvonArt)

I couldn't help myself. This took 28 minutes, and I estimate another 30 if they wanted the writing on the Ring.
WotC, I am available for commissions in June! I think you have my email.
Thanks!

X · May 3, 2026, 7:55 PM

Lmao

[trail anvil]

funny enough I feel like this card would look better with a solid black background too

[tardy echo]

I mean it wasn’t a common mode but it also happened more often than people would have you believe

It was a meme for a reason

[glad peak]

Nah it became the de facto white ramp spell for commander

[tardy echo]

What’s the white overload path card

That shit is funny as hell

[glad peak]

[[winds of abandon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/37/winds-of-abandon

Winds of Abandon <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile target creature you don't control. For each creature exiled this way, its controller searches their library for a basic land card. Those players put those cards onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[tardy echo]

Sigh it doesn’t let you nuke your own board

[sleek ferry]

Aaaaand artists on twitter making themselves look like nothing but witch hunters #476 https://fxtwitter.com/johnruml/status/2050968944140288186?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Malevolent Ruml (@JohnRuml)

"No way to prevent this," says only TCG where it keeps happening

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FxTwitter · May 3, 2026, 4:01 PM

The Spiderman UK artist literally gave us like 20 progress sketches

[copper pecan]

the toph artist did too

the manhole missle thing is a reference to how text was written weirdly in one of the shows

[lusty trench]

Legit could just use wayfarers bauble, crux of fate and trouble in pairs

[tardy echo]

Me when I compare the stolen art to a completely different issue that also was still pretty veritably disproven

What point are they even trying to make bro

We dont hear about artists doing bad things in other card games because half of them don’t credit their artists

[trail anvil]

you don't get it guys, if you take offense to random shit you'll eventually get clout from people who love to do the same

pretend you're standing up for something when you're really just trying to make things worse

[copper pecan]

no you don't get it, we're helping artists by making them live in fear of our baseless accusations

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry @subtle sierra is this a real issue or an outlier

[sleek ferry]

Look at the deck they’re playing lol

[atomic harness]

I dont recognize anything

but standard is fast rn yeah? i constantly watch mengucci modern games and the duels take forever. But thats probably because we have force of negation, subtlety, solitude

[sleek ferry]

Those ghalta builds that zombify/foggy swamp vision him have been around for a while now

They’re all bad

[atomic harness]

only fast deck is like neoform

or belcher maybe

[atomic harness]

(this is a good thing mind you)

[sleek ferry]

G1’s can be quick depending on matchup, but you can say that about any tcg. G2’s and G3’s I find are usually back and forth action though

[atomic harness]

Makes sense

[subtle sierra]

They're fucking stupid

Oh no my inconsistent deck that has a 1% to pop off into no disruption and kill t3

And like brother obv didn't play when cori cutter was legal

Everyone was on mite just to kill it

And the format currently isn't so like

Everyone (besides control sometimes) would be maining gy then

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

This guy's capacity to think critically is rapidly approaching 0

[sleek ferry]

I think a lot of people’s idea on the Meta is heavily skewed by bo1

[twilit canyon]

yeah

probs

[atomic harness]

I think so

[glad peak]

You’re watching a guy playing control, of course games are gonna take a long time

[atomic harness]

mudkip dimir is control?! I thought it was midrange

[twilit canyon]

midrange is control

midrange is also aggro

[atomic harness]

you know what that's fair

[twilit canyon]

you adapt

[sleek ferry]

Everything is control if you try hard enough

[atomic harness]

Badgermole cub control

[glad peak]

The Dimir deck Mengucci plays is control

[atomic harness]

Spatula's favorite

[twilit canyon]

hold it

[atomic harness]

Lemme find a mengucci video

[sleek ferry]

Mono red is control, because I’m controlling my opponent’s life total

[glad peak]

He doesn’t run frog from what I’ve seen

[atomic harness]

He used to have weekly frogtide videos

But I guess murktide got powercrept

[glad peak]

Or rizzler

[subtle sierra]

You could argue excruciator is control

[twilit canyon]

murktide's just not needed when frog is so busted

[atomic harness]

is Dimir Frog orculus control?

[glad peak]

Frogtide is dimir’s aggro plan

Oculus works too

[atomic harness]

SUBTLETY my goat

[subtle sierra]

Actually does dimir have any other revive targets once duskmourn rotates

[glad peak]

That’s a very different deck

[subtle sierra]

Besides deceit

[twilit canyon]

the thing about frog in modern is that it is genuinely a very customizable deck in what it can do and can be adjusted for any meta

[atomic harness]

Yeah this is from the froculus video

[glad peak]

Actually yeah that deck I haven’t seen him play in a while, I thought he was just on the flash variant

[atomic harness]

yoo cling to dust I love that card

[sleek ferry]

Uhhh that win on the spot or in general?

[twilit canyon]

need to have aggressive draws? play it purely tempo maybe even splash red ans pressure on 1 with rags

[subtle sierra]

In general

[atomic harness]

[[abhorrent oculus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/42/abhorrent-oculus

Abhorrent Oculus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eye
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile six cards from your graveyard.
Flying
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, manifest dread. (Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
5/5

[twilit canyon]

or play it with oculus + unearth

[atomic harness]

do you ever flip up the 2/2s

[twilit canyon]

rarely

[glad peak]

Yes

[twilit canyon]

i'll flip it if its a frog

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

If theyre frogs or oculus

[twilit canyon]

if i have a tamiyo i flip

[atomic harness]

They dont have sickness right?

[twilit canyon]

oculus of course

[twilit canyon]

not if flipped

[atomic harness]

[[flow state]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/49/flow-state

Flow State <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. If there is an instant card and a sorcery card in your graveyard, instead put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[twilit canyon]

flow state is fucked

[glad peak]

Tbh I’m not a believer in tamiyo

[twilit canyon]

me neither

[atomic harness]

Holy they made mono blue exprressive iteration??

[glad peak]

In modern at least

[atomic harness]

(flow state)

[twilit canyon]

i like tamiyo in legacy and timeless

but these are formats where she will instantly win the game if she flips

[sleek ferry]

You still got oculus, though I think the rummaging decks that play oculus are better for that. You got the shark from tmnt that’s spot removal. Idk what else though post rotation

[twilit canyon]

and brainstorm

[atomic harness]

oh I was gonna ask about the neoform deck its a cheese/troll deck right

theres this annoying magic content creator that loves shilling it in youtube shorts

[glad peak]

Nah it’s real

[twilit canyon]

its a cheesy deck but its real

[subtle sierra]

Oculus is duskmourn

[atomic harness]

hmm okie

[twilit canyon]

if you asked this like 6 years ago yeah

purely troll

[atomic harness]

how do you uh stop it

fon the neoform and pray?

[twilit canyon]

but its gotten good pieces over the years

[sleek ferry]

Oh no wait, oculus was MKM

[glad peak]

There’s enough pitch spells that make it a real deck

[sleek ferry]

Oh it was dusk

[twilit canyon]

stuff the neoform

or

[glad peak]

Fon neoform, counter the rider, rip their hand

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

It's clearly dusk

[twilit canyon]

if your deck can, remove their rider, or if all else fails, stop their swing for 20

[subtle sierra]

Dimir loses a lot of shit in rotation

Kaito drowner cat siren

Heck they lose verge

[sleek ferry]

Dimir dies post rotation

As does azorius tempo

[subtle sierra]

I think dimir still has deceit superior so it lives as reanimator

[glad peak]

The emperor of bones reanimator deck is sick but I don’t see myself playing it

[subtle sierra]

They don't lose anything besides well excruciator

And ig triumph

[twilit canyon]

dimir dies post-rotation people when they reprint snappy, fatal push, and preordain into standard with marvel

[subtle sierra]

I'll have to see if marvel gives us a target

[glad peak]

Snappy’s back for sure though

[sleek ferry]

Dimir loses every game winning reanimation target no? Arvyn ig is still there, but Arvyn doesn’t win the game

[twilit canyon]

why are we reanimating

its tempo time

sleeve up wan shi tong

[subtle sierra]

Well it's me misty

[atomic harness]

WST
STW

[twilit canyon]

hobbit will reprint obm into standard

[subtle sierra]

I don't tempo

[atomic harness]

obm into standard would be hilarious

[twilit canyon]

we will play on the opponent's turn only

[atomic harness]

I'm in

[glad peak]

If you can’t tempo then you’re not a good control player

[twilit canyon]

unless we need to flow state

[glad peak]

I don’t really like the washington variant of dimir mid

Rizzler too good

[sleek ferry]

Even with tempo, you’re losing floodpits which is your best 2 drop currently. The best dimir 1 drop is Dream beavers, which is solid, but gets boosted up to good currently due to Kaito

[atomic harness]

Oh misty mudkip whats that card that makes the opp sack a creature and kill their gy?

Is that good

[twilit canyon]

nah nah dw about it we'll get a good replacement

[sleek ferry]

Strategic betrayal

[subtle sierra]

I just want a 2 color control deck man

[twilit canyon]

as i said, obm soon

[glad peak]

It’s playable sometimes

[subtle sierra]

Izzet is all aggro

[atomic harness]

[[strategic betrayal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/94/strategic-betrayal

Strategic Betrayal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target opponent exiles a creature they control and their graveyard.
As Sultai blades threatened Qatros city walls, Mehtma of House Fenzala turned her weapons on her political rivals.

[atomic harness]

I see this in some sideboards

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[glad peak]

It’s not bad

[twilit canyon]

cus its non-targeting removal + gy nuke

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

honestly quite solid but you often can do better at least to me

[atomic harness]

Im gonna watch this froculus video

[glad peak]

Ghost vacuum is such a sick card

[atomic harness]

Holy

[twilit canyon]

this opening hand has caused cancer

[atomic harness]

No but yeah modern games seem to last a longer time than the standard stuff

is it rly just because modern has better answers?

I think aeri and I talked about this before

[glad peak]

Modern interaction is much better

[twilit canyon]

well also modo moves like

a glacier

[atomic harness]

Oh sure modo is slow as balls but like

the turns

you know how arena kids keep complaining that they lose on turn 4 or if you dont kill their one creature you autolose

[twilit canyon]

timeless games end quick (it is grossly more powerful but i digress)

[atomic harness]

here he doesnt have an answer to the guide of souls but he's just bing chilling

[twilit canyon]

well thats cus he has an answer to everything else that opp could play

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

fow for non-creature threats, cs for any actual danger

scour will fuel flow state and oculus in hand

its better to say that the guide is already dead to that hand

[atomic harness]

ooh

he just ignores it

[sleek ferry]

Some of the Matt Nass post PT brews are nice https://fxtwitter.com/matthewlnass/status/2051094825135689786?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Matthew Nass (@MatthewLNass)

↩ (@MatthewLNass)
Copying Terra is a draw 12, and this deck makes enough mana to actually use the cards. Valg + Terra also nice.

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FxTwitter · May 4, 2026, 12:21 AM

[twilit canyon]

it'l do 2-3 damage and die later

[atomic harness]

he drew push holy

okay I can see why flow state is toxic here

thts actually gross

the opp cant play you refill

[subtle sierra]

Playing such a greedy deck into aggro format is not great

[atomic harness]

Thank you critique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihqj4iuhJs4 Which one are you rooting for here son @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

I hate all these partner combinations, but when in doubts I always roll with Cam

[atomic harness]

cam

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/benjonesmtg/status/2051120348192772265?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Ben Jones (@BenJonesMTG)

Forgot to post my PT deck - Jeskai Tablet!
︀︀Tablet of Discovery is a very strong card and this deck is great against Prowess.

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FxTwitter · May 4, 2026, 2:02 AM

[subtle sierra]

Yeah i talked about this one too already

I'm coming around to tablet

(mostly cause I'm meming grandma into t3 tablet with 3 mana still open)

Tablet does have a deckbuilding cost tho

[sleek ferry]

Btw, can we talk about this Donato Giancola post, because I have a lot of thoughts about it https://fxtwitter.com/sadpoor/status/2051077066787786787?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Alexis Haro (@SadPoor)

La respuesta de Donato Giancola ante el drama de Dan Frazier y el anillo único. Esto se puso intenso

**💬 9 🔁 87 ❤️ 577 👁️ 45.8K **

FxTwitter · May 3, 2026, 11:10 PM

[atomic harness]

👀

what are your thoughts, thugs-chan

[sleek ferry]

That Donato Giancola has 0 financial or business literacy

As per his numbers, for UB sets, WotC is paying 3-5 times the amount that they normally pay for pieces (probably to make up for the fact that artists aren’t allowed to monetize these pieces). His main issue is with the Digital Only Art contracts, and blames WotC for that, when in reality, that’s likely a restriction being set by the collabing IP.

[vivid hatch]

Thank you

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to grasp

That for UB sets WoTC is taking a HIT by paying MORE to artists, rather than have them them make up for pitiful commissions via additional revenue streams

…because the nature of the external IP being used requires them to do so.

It’s like everyone in the community is a fucking child

[copper pecan]

yeah i don't think it makes sense to blame wotc for not letting them sell the artist prints given that a lot of licensors would probably consider that a dealbreaker

given that giancola was also completely wrong about the dan frazier situation and was literally just making shit up about it, i don't think he's a trustworthy source

[trail anvil]

shit I forgot maintenance is now

was planning to play a bit on the plane 😭

[subtle sierra]

Bro is flying

(he cannot be blocked by creatures without flying or reach)

[trail anvil]

bro cannot be blocked by creatures without flying or reach

[subtle sierra]

Same braincell

[trail anvil]

wow for real

[subtle sierra]

Me reading this message

And then trying to log in 20 mins later

[knotty ferry]

I can't wait for my deck to rotate after getting to play it twice irl

[subtle sierra]

Lmao

[trail anvil]

tfw we're addicted

it's gonna be so hard to quit when wotc busts the arena union

[subtle sierra]

Nah i just had downtime at work

One task is in review code wise

Another is waiting on approvals

I don't really want to take up a third one

[trail anvil]

idk what that means but good luck oomfie

[subtle sierra]

It means i had like 30 mins of free-ish time

[golden plover]

Started a cool new bit with Blim last night

Whenever I give someone a card, I'm having them sign it now

[lusty trench]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2051114911455907844

bootyswagga, on god. (@bootyswagga)

Alright yall let’s start a Dan Frazier speedrun.

I got 4 seconds!

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 4, 2026, 1:41 AM

[golden plover]

Lmao

[lusty trench]

Sadly run doesnt count they forgot to flip it

[zinc shard]

https://unitedwizardsofthecoast.com/news/wizards-coast-declines-recognize-union-may-1st

[golden plover]

Shit... So boycott time, yeah?

[zinc shard]

sounds good to me, ive been meaning to get back into Master Duel

[golden plover]

I guess we're waiting for the union to ask for the boycott

But I think it's likely it won't be recognized before that

[glad peak]

In a couple years we’re gonna ask why card balance and arena are so bad and we’re gonna point to this moment in time

[fallow citrus]

how did this top 4 a challenge

[tardy echo]

Top 4 with a 5-3 record were there only 8 players

[[hylderblade]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/106/hylderblade

Hylderblade <:manab:292901508872273920>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+1.
Void — At the beginning of your end step, if a nonland permanent left the battlefield this turn or a spell was warped this turn, attach this Equipment to target creature you control.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[golden plover]

Lmao yeah this challenge had 8 whole players

Statiscally anything can top 4 that

[tardy echo]

Wait 5-3 with only 8 players did he get double jeapordied

I thought that wasn’t supposed to happen unless u make it to finals

I guess with 8 players in the pool it’s a lot harder to keep ppl sorted

[knotty ferry]

Looks good

[glad peak]

I mean, deck’s real for sure

It’s not good but deck’s real

[tardy echo]

Truly I actually know what <50% of that deck does

[[gatekeeper of malakir]]

Not even the bot knows

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/752/gatekeeper-of-malakir

Gatekeeper of Malakir <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Warrior
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
When this creature enters, if it was kicked, target player sacrifices a creature of their choice.
"You may enter the city—once the toll is paid."
2/2

[golden plover]

Another foundations shadowdrop

[tardy echo]

Wait new foundations card just dropped @golden plover

YEAH

[golden plover]

Lmao same thought

[glad peak]

I miss when this card was good

[copper pecan]

how many goddamn cards were in foundations

[tardy echo]

Does foundations secretly just have all of zendikar in it

[copper pecan]

i swear it's like they keep putting more cards in while nobody's looking

[tardy echo]

Are we sure the set has been fully opened there weren’t any hidden trap doors in the cases that had nahiri in them

[copper pecan]

i drafted foundations a bunch and i don't remember ever seeing this card in it

[tardy echo]

I wanna say foundations had 300 cards in total no

[golden plover]

I saw [[Death Baron]] the other day

That was a shadowdrop too

[tardy echo]

It was like 150/150 reprints new stuff

[golden plover]

[[Death Baron]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/521/death-baron

Death Baron <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Wizard
Skeletons you control and other Zombies you control get +1/+1 and have deathtouch. (Any amount of damage they deal to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
For the necromancer barons, killing and recruitment are one and the same.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/521/death-baron

Death Baron <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Wizard
Skeletons you control and other Zombies you control get +1/+1 and have deathtouch. (Any amount of damage they deal to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
For the necromancer barons, killing and recruitment are one and the same.
2/2

[golden plover]

Of course this was in that Rakdos Skeleton deck lol

[twilit canyon]

we're gonna find scalding tarn in foundations next

[golden plover]

I swear they're just patching cards into foundations whenever we're not looking

Wait actually it'd be so funny if the foundations commander decks used the same set code

Then they'd be an actual foundations shadowdrop

[tardy echo]

Paleontologists discover shocking new card in foundations

It’s [[think twice]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/168/think-twice

Think Twice <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw a card.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"Either I know just the spell I need, or I'm about to."

[golden plover]

This one got a fancy treatment

I can at least remember it exists from that

Wait the beginner box and Starter Collection were two different things in foundations???

So on top of the packs, they added like 300 cards there

[tardy echo]

Ok then did you know offer you can’t refuse was in foundations

[subtle sierra]

yes

[tardy echo]

Because I actually just made that discovery approximately 2 seconds ago

[subtle sierra]

i know all the counter spells

also surely laguna is better than think twice

[tardy echo]

Well you’re a blue player (derogatory)

[subtle sierra]

sigh

[tardy echo]

[[laguna]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/50/dreams-of-laguna

Dreams of Laguna <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 1, then draw a card. (To surveil 1, look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"Don't go back on your word. C'mon, go wave to her."

[tardy echo]

Oh is it the 3 mana

[subtle sierra]

like it costs more to flashback but it digs more

[tardy echo]

Well think twice is a bad card so yes

[golden plover]

Wait Maze's End is in foundations???

[tardy echo]

But this is also not a particularly good card either

Ok that one I knew because someone resolved it on me

[subtle sierra]

yes

all the gates are too iirc

[twilit canyon]

and circ route

[subtle sierra]

it was played for a bit

[copper pecan]

yeah the gates are in because of the deckbuilder kit iirc

[subtle sierra]

til we got better shit

[twilit canyon]

they ran a midweek magic event allowing foundations tmnt and sos

[golden plover]

God they just put everything in foundations lol

[twilit canyon]

and i played gates ramp and went undefeated

[copper pecan]

the gates weren't in the limited format

[golden plover]

Did you guys know [[Lighting Skelemental]] is in foundations?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/208/lightning-skelemental

Lightning Skelemental <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Skeleton
Trample, haste
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards two cards.
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature.
6/1

[tardy echo]

Progenitus is currently standard legal

For what purpose? The world may never know

[golden plover]

Ramp ig?

[subtle sierra]

[golden plover]

I wanted to see if anyone would check lol

[subtle sierra]

sigh

[tardy echo]

In the same set as sire of seven deaths?

[golden plover]

The plan was to hit random on scryfall and see which cards could reasonably be in foundations

Funnily enough the first two it gave me were actually in Foundations

[tardy echo]

Reprinting any ramp payoff (this also includes ghalta) in the same set when they print a brand new ramp payoff that effectively just is better than all the other ones

Is crazy

Imprisoned in the moon is in foundations btw did you know

[golden plover]

That one is true lol

[tardy echo]

This was to soft launch the fact that everybody wants emrakul to come out of the moon and violate Jace

[golden plover]

They should've put exactly one OG dual in foundations

It would've been really funny if only Badlands was legal

[tardy echo]

Which one would be the least noticeable

Rakdos?

[twilit canyon]

picked in rakdos colors bc no one would play it anyways

[tardy echo]

Yeah

[golden plover]

Is Badlands not Rakdos?

[tardy echo]

Truly I don’t know any of their names

[twilit canyon]

it is

[golden plover]

I picked the least likely to see play one lol

[tardy echo]

Besides trop/volc island

And tundra

And underground sea I guess

[golden plover]

Actually [[Scrublands]] might be worse

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sum/286/scrubland

Scrubland

Land — Plains Swamp
(: Add or .)

[twilit canyon]

nah

[golden plover]

Rakdos Monument is like kind of a deck

[twilit canyon]

ppl actually play w/b

[tardy echo]

We have W/B in current standard and have had way more wb in recent years than br

[glad peak]

Damn I found some old playmats and their backs are crusty from being squished

I can’t remember how to fix that

[golden plover]

What's the W/B deck rn? Jeskai Black?

[tardy echo]

Well I guess everybody stopped playing it post sos but pixie was back on the ups after its big w

[golden plover]

Yeah true, it's been dead for a bit tho

[tardy echo]

Nah I mean in literal right before sos meta

It was doing well

Truly I think it would prob be decent-good in current format but ppl just don’t want to play it because it’s hard and weird

sos had some v good cards for it

I did a little bit of theorying but most of my time spent has been w bg

[glad peak]

So at first I didn’t mind zimone

And then I saw the command zone video of the precons where they do the animations and voices for commanders

“X must equal… infinity!” No shit, if you can’t figure that out after just look at the problem you shouldn’t be a math student

But also that’s not how infinity works

[tardy echo]

Actually looking again maybe the true move for those colors is to just play esper control…

And if u wanna play pixie just play momo

Even though momo = Lucifer

Let’s play esper blink control together son @sleek ferry

Social snub chain all aboard gg?

[glad peak]

You should play sultai

[copper pecan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1t3sl6k/looks_like_theyre_allowing_nondigital_art_for_the/

looks like donato was just straight up wrong about the controversy yesterday

[tardy echo]

Hard confirmation that digital-only is a by-property decision and not wotc

Anyways I’m actually v excited for hobbit

Considerably less so for marvel but only so much you can do

[sleek ferry]

Marvel will be the better set son

That vision gave me hope

[tardy echo]

Truly I think some of the marvel cards we’ve already seen have been cool

But I’m just so over the marvel slop dude

[subtle sierra]

some of the cards are boring ngl

thor is like

flying vigilance prowess prowess

surely it could be more interesting

bruce banner is interesting with blinks tho

but like the other blue cards are like "haha merfolk" for all the aquaman related shit

[sleek ferry]

I mean have you seen/read Thor? That man is boring as shit

[subtle sierra]

fair

[knotty ferry]

HOLY SHIT

[tardy echo]

Thor himself is boring lol also remember that a lot of heroes (especially the more pervasive ones) will probably get 2+ cards

[copper pecan]

idk if chimil ever sees the same lands twice but it definitely sees the same artifacts twice

[tardy echo]

Insane

[golden plover]

That's actually really funny that the flavor text says that when the land is the stolen part

[knotty ferry]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2051480581880320472

Phil Nguyen (@mtgbanding)

creatures my opponents control get -2/-2

QRT: 21metgala
Naomi Osaka on her way to the Met Gala.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 5, 2026, 1:54 AM

[sleek ferry]

This deck is beyond fun @tardy echo

What makes it funner is that snooze raccoon and crapshooter share types, as does emeritus of abundance and vast lands scavenger

[sleek ferry]

Nice crab bozo

[knotty ferry]

I'm meeting up with that one guy I played standard with today to play again

I'm gonna take some notes from the pro tour on how people play

Like they play fast af compared to me

I'm also used to communicating everything super clearly, which I guess is not bad, but probably not necessary

Like I'll say "I'll pay 2 life to play watery grave untapped, then tap one blue and one other mana to play floodpits drowner, anything in response to me casting it?"

I guess people just do all of that without saying it

[subtle sierra]

it will come after you play more

there's a lot of shorthand like in ygo ngl

the same thing could be said with "shock, drowner, resolves?"

[knotty ferry]

Yeah

True

[subtle sierra]

you can always clarify if it's not clear

[knotty ferry]

I guess I'm underestimating how much shorthand I use in ygo

I'm hyped, I got my playset of dream beavers

[subtle sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y5wkL5wChAw do this every time you cast it

[knotty ferry]

I think I'll pass

[tardy echo]

Hauntwoods in stompy?

[sleek ferry]

synergy with ascension, best 3 drop with over 4 toughness

[tardy echo]

Well as a 3 drop the 4 toughness part is fake no

But sure I see the vision

[sleek ferry]

it's also just something that plays really well into Jeskai/Azorius, since it makes them decide whether to board wipe you non optimally or not

and [[defend the rider]] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snakeskin veil by a mile

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/157/defend-the-rider

Defend the Rider <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Choose one —
• Target permanent you control gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
• Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This token saddles Mounts and crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Lagorin would not lose another.

[knotty ferry]

[[snakeskin veil]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/159/snakeskin-veil

Snakeskin Veil <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It gains hexproof until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
"Now I wonder . . . will anyone come to protect you?"

[atomic harness]

Defend the rider is crazy

[knotty ferry]

Saddles mounts and crews vehicles

Bro what is this lol

Ok nvm I know the crew shit

Saddle seems to be almost the same thing

[sleek ferry]

I’ll let you guys guess who won this game

[glad peak]

That’s way wayyyy too much

If anything you just say “grave, shock, drowner, response?”

[knotty ferry]

Ok sounds good

[golden plover]

No fucking way

The art looks ai, what's the source on this?

[lusty trench]

Its a heroes art being passed around

[golden plover]

That makes sense

It might just be because it's crunchy then but all the dice faces have inconsistent width, which makes it look fake

The set code is also inconsistent with Heroes of the Realm prior

They're either "HXX" or "PHXX" (on older ones, they're all HXX now)

[subtle sierra]

what's heroes of the realm

[golden plover]

Internal cards given to wotc teams (usually designers for a huge set)

Actually isn't Monopoly hasbro and not WoTC? I'm not saying it's fake but there's a lot of weirdness for it

It does get one thing right we don't see on fakes for these tho

https://x.com/MTGAlexander/status/1737218819192655960/photo/2

Alexander Smith - @mtgalexander.bsky.social (@MTGAlexander)

I just received a cool new Heroes of the Realm card!

Getting to go to conventions and help make great experiences for everyone is something I've loved doing—and I hope to keep doing that this year! #wotcstaff

X · Dec 19, 2023, 9:10 PM

There's a name stamp where the person who should own the card's name goes

It seems to be real just crunchy and they swapped the heroes of the realm set code again for some reason

[tardy echo]

Saddle is the same exact thing except they’re creatures without being saddled still

[knotty ferry]

Yes kid

So noob

[tardy echo]

?

[knotty ferry]

Ur behind as usual

@sleek ferry my terra precon comes in today

Ill lyk what I pull

Probably nothing tho

[glad peak]

It was shared on LinkedIn apparently

[golden plover]

Yeah I think it's real I think the art just looks bad there and the set code randomly changed again

[sleek ferry]

I got faith son, you'll pull a borderless terra

and it will be your most prized possession

[knotty ferry]

Not true, that's my virginity

I'm as pure as they come

[sleek ferry]

Gavin said we’re definitely going to see prototype again as a mechanic

[glad peak]

We already took that from you

[tardy echo]

Prototype was cool

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I like prototype

And offspring

And warp

And kicker

And spree

And mayhem

And earthbending

And airbending

And firebending

And waterbending

[tardy echo]

You lost me at kicker

Everyone knows that horsemanship and banding are the superior mechanics word me @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

true

[zinc shard]

remember, every mechanic is either kicker or hormanship

[copper pecan]

what about vigilance

that isn't either of those

also what about flashback

[knotty ferry]

Vigilance and flying are goated

Like my boy wan shi tong

WST @atomic harness

🦉

[golden plover]

Vigilance is flashback

Flashback is graveyard kicker

[subtle sierra]

one card doesn't make a mechanic

[tardy echo]

Flashback is kicker

Vigilance is horsemanship

Because it lets you attack for free

Flashback makes you pay extra to get bonus effects that’s pretty textbook kicker

[past socket]

Now I’m just reminded of the reductive or wrong version of that calvin and hobbes bit

[copper pecan]

okay then what's hexproof

that has nothing to do with combat or extra costs

[golden plover]

It's horsemanship

But for spells

[copper pecan]

oh this image is much larger than i remembered

[golden plover]

Ward, however is kicker

[tardy echo]

It’s horsemanship because it makes it easier to attack

[glad peak]

Hexproof is kicker to target your thing but your opponent can never pay it

[subtle sierra]

so quench is kicker?

[tardy echo]

Quench isn’t a mechanic

But yes

[twilit canyon]

counter target spell unless its controller pays 2?

yeah thats kicker

counter target spell (kicker 2 to ignore)

[past socket]

Ig quench meaning general spells that counter unless one pays x

[twilit canyon]

no

[golden plover]

Yeah sometimes your opponent has to play the kicker

[tardy echo]

Meld is kicker, annihilator is horsemanship

[twilit canyon]

cus force spike is also a notable name for the effect

[tardy echo]

Evoke is kicker, the ring tempting you is horsemanship

[golden plover]

Correct

Venturing into the Dungeon, however is kicker

[tardy echo]

It’s actually both

[golden plover]

But the initiative is horsemanship

[tardy echo]

Now which one is earthbending…

[golden plover]

Horsemanship

[tardy echo]

Nah

It doesn’t let the creature attack any easier

[golden plover]

The real answer is that earthbending is poorly designed and kinda lame lol

[tardy echo]

Earthbending is a secret third gender invented by wotc

[golden plover]

True

[tardy echo]

Earthbending is fine lol if cub didn’t exist I think people would truly not complain about it at all lol

[golden plover]

I think the stuff like Erode and fetches also makes earthbending kinda lame

[tardy echo]

Let the ramp color ramp idk

Again if cub didn’t exist how reliably do you think people would even be earthbending lol

Just draw ba sing se or ???

[golden plover]

Yeah but I don't think you should be able to get your fetch back if you're saccing it for cost

[tardy echo]

If I spend 2 or 3 mana to animate a fabled passage to get 2 uses out of it

What’s the difference between that and casting rampant growth

[golden plover]

I guess that's fair. The issue really is cub yeah

[tardy echo]

For 2 mana, to get 2 lands

You get 1 whole extra landfall trigger

As a mechanic it’s fine, and I would even say very cool but cub is just a pretty silly card

It’s just sort of a weird mechanic in the sense of being designed in 2 very different directions imo but I can’t really fault wotc for that one

[glad peak]

2 mana to get 2 lands? Rampant growth is washed

[tardy echo]

Mistype

You know what I mean

Earthbending as a ramp device is either just as efficient or slightly less so than just casting spells

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry

Oh shit

12 bucks

Not abd

Bad

[past socket]

gamba man

[knotty ferry]

Wait can't I make a setzer commander deck with vehicles

[stark skiff]

Yea you could

[knotty ferry]

I doubt it would be that good but

Sounds cool

[sleek ferry]

Nice cat boy my little kitten

[zinc shard]

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[stark skiff]

Pretty recent

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsFEed6Fp5w

[zinc shard]

neat

[glad peak]

Where is she famous from?

[zinc shard]

WWE Wrestler

[subtle sierra]

Am i missing something with torch of defiance, or has the powercreep skewed my perspective?

It just doesn't look as good as ral tbh

[twilit canyon]

thats probably skewed

but i do think delian makes a lot of old walkers feel silly

[subtle sierra]

True, although I'm looking for izzet wincons so dellian is out

[twilit canyon]

oh thats easy

we had a thing for that

its called treasure tokens

justify it with a tiny green or tiny black splash

then, using treasures, suddenly cast delian

[tardy echo]

Back in my day copycat played oko

[subtle sierra]

Eh

I'm less averse to splashing instants/sorcs cause biblioplex is an actual good card

But it doesn't fix walker mana

Although tbh now that i think of it

If you play both chill and torch, and grandma discounts them

And they give mana

Hmm

[twilit canyon]

the key is that... you must say fuck it we ball and give it a shot

[subtle sierra]

Sigh

[twilit canyon]

is it a bad idea? yeah

but is it funny?

yeah

[subtle sierra]

I'm already on 4cc and the green splash was funny but it was meh

[trail anvil]

look all I'm saying is we already tried 4c control

[subtle sierra]

Lessons from life is a drug but sadly not thay much

[trail anvil]

just complete the color wheel

[tardy echo]

Just play starting town

[subtle sierra]

Town sucks ngl

[tardy echo]

Eventually if you play enough pain lands you can have 5c

[twilit canyon]

literally half the excuse to do stupid shit is bc we have starting town

[trail anvil]

multiversal passage is a 5c land 😌

[tardy echo]

And then delian heals you back anyways!!!

[subtle sierra]

I played it as a crutch but after biblio holy fuck do i hate town

[twilit canyon]

delian heals so fucking real

[tardy echo]

Delian heal is lowkenuinely broken why is he just oko

[subtle sierra]

Why was oko broken again?

[twilit canyon]

wotc was smoking crazy

[subtle sierra]

Just healing?

[twilit canyon]

no

well partly

he just easily got out of kill range from damage

[trail anvil]

oko is nothing compared to delian, you don't have to pay mana. ez

[twilit canyon]

and then also controlled the board

[trail anvil]

permanently killed any creature or artifact on a plus

for some reason

could also just steal your shit for an extra little middle finger, all at 3 mana

[copper pecan]

yeah he was just absurdly above rate

[trail anvil]

they printed an anti blue walker removal the next set and it couldn't even kill oko after plus 😭

[tardy echo]

Impossible to answer efficiently and he removed a lot of his own threats and he also created a clock extremely quickly

[trail anvil]

have you ever seen that clip where he animated a black lotus

fun times

[tardy echo]

AND he was in counterspell colors so you could just ignore pw removal

[twilit canyon]

note: delian is basically oko 2 with better abilities and better loyalty but standard is ridiculously fast rn 🙊

[copper pecan]

if something like [[sheoldred's edict]] was in standard at the time he wouldn't have been as big of a problem but there was barely any good planeswalker removal so he was completely unstoppable

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/108/sheoldreds-edict

Sheoldred's Edict <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices a nontoken creature of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature token of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a planeswalker of their choice.
"Congratulations. I am entertained."

[twilit canyon]

nah even with

oko would easily outvalue removal unless it was instant

like

they cast oko

you cast edict right after a +2 or +1

[tardy echo]

Ur spitting but also delian is in worse colors for what he does than oko and also contributes less to decks in those colors than oko did comparatively

[twilit canyon]

even then...

[tardy echo]

Though delian still broken don’t get it twisted

[trail anvil]

I just don't think he's banned in legacy broken

[twilit canyon]

neither is oko

[tardy echo]

3 mana make your opponent discard a card create a food token is pretty good rate still

[twilit canyon]

at least not for current day legacy

minsc and boo are way better

[trail anvil]

is it lol

[twilit canyon]

theres shit ppl run nowdays worse than that

[subtle sierra]

The rate for 3 mana is now opp discards 2 ramp mana

[tardy echo]

Force your opponent to waste removal on your card while you’re still up on the board

[subtle sierra]

[tardy echo]

Is definitely still good

There was a reason oko got banned in legacy even though they still had pw removal lol

[trail anvil]

even thoughtseize + food at 3 mana is unplayable

[twilit canyon]

yeah but thats taking it too out of context

thats the worst case

[trail anvil]

that's a limited card

yeah I'm not saying oko is bad

I'm just saying that hypothetical cake suggested is not good

permanent removal, pressure and ridiculous loyalty on a 3 mana walker all summed up to his strength

he just does it all

[tardy echo]

Well ofc losing it is worse than keeping it but the point is that you still get a ton of value even out of just 1 resolve

Whether you’re elking or fooding up even in your worst case he still has a v high board impact

Mostly just because he’s so cheap

[subtle sierra]

Sigh marvel better give me more control wincons

Cause i think reality fracture will but I can't wait

[tardy echo]

This is the greed they speak of in the Bible @twilit canyon

[subtle sierra]

Look I'm tired of rev a little

[tardy echo]

I hope marvel makes ramp broken again

Reprint wilderness reclamation, genesis ultimatum, uro growth spiral triomes everything

[twilit canyon]

perhaps...

but i encourage it

[sleek ferry]

Again?!? Brother cub still exists

And yes, we shouldn’t hit cub

Meta gets much worse if ramp isn’t viable

[subtle sierra]

Chat how does this theoretical build look if talents eat shit?

[sleek ferry]

Looks ambitious

[subtle sierra]

In what way

A similar build topped it just had 2 stormchasers 🤷‍♂️

https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=84527&d=842203

[tardy echo]

Sigh cub is an aggro card

[knotty ferry]

What's the best way to share a decklisr

Moxfield?

[sleek ferry]

Moxfield

[knotty ferry]

Ok sounds good imma build my shit rn

I just wanna make sure I'm not giga inting my decklist before friday

Bc I changed some stuff

And removed cards that I don't know I needed to

[sleek ferry]

How did you do vs your friend

Also, There’s a Modern RCQ at my locals this weekend, but I got to go visit my mom for Mother’s Day

[knotty ferry]

We played a match, I won 2-1

He was playing some golgari deck

I forgot surrak couldn't be countered so I tried essence scattering it

Lol

[fallow citrus]

take her to the rcq

[knotty ferry]

https://moxfield.com/decks/LiWGf0e28UCLuutOyxXeXA ok here's my deck, I'm just looking for glaring holes/big mistakes I made since I added dream beavers. Also I have 0 idea what people play in standard at my locals so idk what to put in my sideboard @sleek ferry @subtle sierra @golden plover @twilit canyon

The other cards I own:
The End
Loch Mare
Intimidation Tactics
Duress
Heartless Act
Flitterwing Nuisance
I also have extra copies of Deep-Cavern Bat, Tishana's Tidebinder, Spell Snare, Enduring Curiosity, Soul-Guide Lantern, Spell Pierce

[sleek ferry]

My immediate thought just skimming at the main deck, is that you should be on at least 2 main deck duress

[knotty ferry]

Main deck is crazy, what for?

[sleek ferry]

Well first off, duress hits relevant pieces in just about every deck rn. Second, let me ask you, what do you think your hardest matchups are?

[knotty ferry]

Ok so

From my shitty bo1 arena experience

[sleek ferry]

And as a follow up, what decks do you think you have a favorable matchup vs

[knotty ferry]

My hardest matchups (at least game 1)

Any enchantment or artifact deck

I should say decks that are based on those

Landfall type decks can be hard if I go second because I always feel like I'm behind one step, but going first feels okay

Izzet feels very hit or miss

Since they cut monument now, I'm not as pressured to have access to tishana's, but I still think they are favored

Oh the golgari dellian fel deck seemed kinda hard

[knotty ferry]

Spellementals (crab/sunderflock/hearthflame guy) felt easy, control feels pretty easy

[sleek ferry]

Okay so

[knotty ferry]

Oh azorius tempo style decks felt very hard too

[tardy echo]

Duress is an efficient way to answer threats from almost all of the decks mentioned

Not that one but

[sleek ferry]

Dimir midrange’s strength should come vs creature decks. Anything that wants to/needs to win through combat damage. Think landfall, spellementals, mono white etc

Your hardest matchups should be stuff that plays on a different axis; lessons with monument, Jeskai control, the new golgari adjacent builds etc

Izzet prowess would probably also be favored vs you since you don’t really trade favorably vs them

But I could be wrong about that

[tardy echo]

Prowess/landfall both seem like MUs where you win if you have hex and lose if not

sigh I miss my goat preacher of the schism where did he go

[twilit canyon]

should still be good...

well... not as much rn

[tardy echo]

Hes pretty slow into what most decks are doing and doesnt block as well as he used to

[sleek ferry]

So let’s look at your hardest matchups real quick.

Lessons - stormchaser’s > abandon attachments > monument, how are you dealing with that?

Jeskai Control - Lightning Helix, No more Lies, bolts, can you realistically put enough pressure on them before they hit 4 or 7 mana? (Depending on if they’re on lute, tablet or neither)

Golgari adjacent builds - will be playing on a similar axis to you, you’re on a 1 turn faster clock with Kaito if you can ninjitsu him in, but they’re playing just as much removal as you, and professor on curve is a huge stabilizer vs you

[knotty ferry]

Yes I agree with this

[knotty ferry]

For lessons, tishana's helps ofc but I cut it to 2 for other cards

What's your argument for duress though

Like sure