Magic the Gathering

[tardy echo]

His name is swamp thing he’s actually cool

He’s like a male version of ivy

But idt he’s a villain

Oh also

Panther lady

What’s her name

Leopard?

[copper pecan]

swamp man would be black because he's literally a swamp man

[sleek ferry]

Swamp man probably got a swamp ass

Word me @spatula

[tardy echo]

Swamp thing would prob be BG

Man bat also BG killer croc mono G ivy mono G/maybe gruul

Scarecrow could be mono G/golgari/jund

[inland folio]

would batman be black

honest question

[tardy echo]

He could literally be all 5 colors

[sleek ferry]

Batman would be Orzhov

[sudden lava]

But does he have a crazy awesome GF who is a psychologist turned anti-hero

[tardy echo]

[inland folio]

superman is azorious right

[copper pecan]

he'd be orzhov i think

[inland folio]

no way hes jeskai

[tardy echo]

Superman would maybe be bant

Or azorius/selesnya

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/harley-quinn-poison-ivy-harlivy-dc-snuggle-gif-19046075

DC when

[inland folio]

i didnt know a singular other human had watched this shwo

[knotty ferry]

Tell that to grandlamb

[knotty ferry]

Word

[tardy echo]

Also if it wasn’t for 16 quadrillion superhero sets in a row I would’ve said invincible would be a decent UB

[sleek ferry]

I mean Marvel and DC just have infinite material

[sudden lava]

I wonder if they gonna show the galactus token, they only showed us the coming of galactus but not the token he makes

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/0/4/04a38b92-619e-4fe8-b0cb-6fa31f0824ff.jpg?1765296108

[inland folio]

is it or do sagas tend to do way more than otehr card types

[twilit canyon]

sagas do more on average i feel

ff sagas did like 2 billion things but even beforr

[inland folio]

whats more impressive to me is that sagas also dont see as much play as i feel like they should given their individual powerlevels

[knotty ferry]

i shouldnt be surprised but its crazy that the pro tour has people from all over the owlrd

im so used to yugioh events where its 99% people from that continent

[sleek ferry]

70% from that same state

[knotty ferry]

theres even one of renren's people

[inland folio]

doesnt wizards cover travel for pts

[sleek ferry]

you get a stipend nowadays

but it's not that much. They used to cover travel for like the really good people iirc

I think the stipend is legit like maybe $500

[inland folio]

tbf anything helps

especially in contect of having actual internation rep per event

[tardy echo]

Inherently sagas have to be a bit stronger to actually see play

It’s the same idea as cards with fading or whatever

When your permanent isn’t permanent it has to do a lot more

[tardy echo]

When sagas are good you see them literally everywhere

[inland folio]

yeah but each step of a sage usually just feels like a seperate instant/sorcery

so i feel like those are more comparable

[tardy echo]

ecd was one of the most obnoxious cards in the game

[inland folio]

ecd?

[tardy echo]

[[Elspeth conquers death]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/13/elspeth-conquers-death

Elspeth Conquers Death <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Exile target permanent an opponent controls with mana value 3 or greater.
II — Noncreature spells your opponents cast cost more to cast until your next turn.
III — Return target creature or planeswalker card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Put a +1/+1 counter or a loyalty counter on it.

[inland folio]

i feel like the bigger problem is they usually backload more of the powrr

which makes sesne tbf

[tardy echo]

[[Kiora bests the sea god]] was similarly annoying but less popular

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/52/kiora-bests-the-sea-god

Kiora Bests the Sea God <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Create an 8/8 blue Kraken creature token with hexproof.
II — Tap all nonland permanents target opponent controls. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
III — Gain control of target permanent an opponent controls. Untap it.

[subtle sierra]

kiora was the goat in ultimatum tho

[inland folio]

if u play a 5 mana spell that immediately gets 5 mana of valu

and then its just bonus gravy every other trigger

thats pretty broken

[sleek ferry]

Avatar has 3 banger sagas, and only 1 of them sees legit play (kurruk)

[tardy echo]

It also tends to be that when wotc prints stronger sagas they try to also create more access to enchantment removal

[sleek ferry]

But Rise of Sozin is a really damn good card

[tardy echo]

All 4 of the avatar sagas are good

But kurruk is the only one with a real home

[inland folio]

[[legend of kurruk]]

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No card found for “legend of kurruk”

[inland folio]

[[kurruk]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “kurruk”

[inland folio]

???

[tardy echo]

I think there’s an apostrophe in there somewhere

[sleek ferry]

[[the legend of kuruk]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/61/the-legend-of-kuruk-avatar-kuruk

The Legend of Kuruk <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I, II — Scry 2, then draw a card.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kuruk
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Whenever you cast a spell, create a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token with "This token can't block or be blocked by non-Spirit creatures."
Exhaust — Waterbend : Take an extra turn after this one. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for . Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
4/3

[tardy echo]

Nvm

[sleek ferry]

[[rise of sozin]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/117/the-rise-of-sozin-fire-lord-sozin

The Rise of Sozin <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Destroy all creatures.
II — Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. Then that player shuffles.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Fire Lord Sozin
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Menace, firebending 3 (Whenever this creature attacks, add . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Whenever Fire Lord Sozin deals combat damage to a player, you may pay . When you do, put any number of target creature cards with total mana value X or less from that player's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
5/5

[inland folio]

ur right

this card is pretty broken

ig theres just no dimir control deck

[sleek ferry]

[[the legend of roku]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/145/the-legend-of-roku-avatar-roku

The Legend of Roku <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Exile the top three cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
II — Add one mana of any color.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Roku
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Firebending 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, add . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
: Create a 4/4 red Dragon creature token with flying and firebending 4.
"You must be decisive."
4/4

[inland folio]

legend of yangchen seems unplayable in 1v1

[glad peak]

roku? the music thingy?

[inland folio]

probably goated in commander tho

[sleek ferry]

[[the legend of kyoshi]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/186/the-legend-of-kyoshi-avatar-kyoshi

The Legend of Kyoshi <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control.
II — Earthbend X, where X is the number of cards in your hand. That land becomes an Island in addition to its other types.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kyoshi
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Lands you control have trample and hexproof.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
"Only justice will bring peace."
5/4

[sleek ferry]

this is the worst one

[tardy echo]

It’s better than yangchen

[sleek ferry]

yangchen's flip side is broken

[tardy echo]

If we had a tron style fast mana ramp deck in standard this would slot v easily into it

But it’s just not really a thing

The card itself is v nice

[inland folio]

rise of sozin seems crazy tho

[sleek ferry]

btw, this is only $6 https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/660584/magic-avatar-the-last-airbender-aang-at-the-crossroads-borderless?page=1

[inland folio]

like the best on of these

[sleek ferry]

seems pretty crazy for a borderless aang

[glad peak]

nope, cost matters a lot

[sleek ferry]

that's playable in 60 cards and cedh

[inland folio]

well its only 2 more than the average boardwipe

[glad peak]

sozin just doesn't do enough

2 more is an eternity

[inland folio]

or like the baseline

[glad peak]

a full on mortgage payment

[inland folio]

idk seems great for a 2 of

[sleek ferry]

4 vs 6 mana is the difference between being able to t3 it and t4 it

[glad peak]

you board wipe for 6 and wait 3 turns to get a pretty mid creature

[sleek ferry]

if there was a deck that played more low to the ground, you could justify playing sozin vs other control decks

[glad peak]

and it only hits creatures

[sleek ferry]

especially since we don't have surgical extraction

[tardy echo]

Let’s get ondu inversion back in standard

gg

[sleek ferry]

pro tour starting in like 2 minutes

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

[tardy echo]

Also forgot to say but cards like secret rendezvous have historically been shockingly playable

Most of yangchens issue is just being a little too slow and again not having a real home

[sleek ferry]

yangchens real issue is that

it's 1 mana too much

holy

the random white guy in team japan

who speaks fluent japanese

[tardy echo]

Imagine if he (or any of the sagas) was read ahead

[sleek ferry]

if rise of sozin was read ahead, it would be the best one

easily

[tardy echo]

I do not think I agree

Kuruk as read ahead would prob actually have been insane

[sleek ferry]

disagree

the big appeal of kuruk is being able to leave it as a ticking time bomb that gives you advantage

you want to have full mana available when it flips

[tardy echo]

Ok but read ahead doesn’t force you to read ahead

Creating more flexibility with the card and also turning it into a card that can win the game the same turn you drop it is huge

And not really a feature any of the other ones have

Yangchen would also prob be v nice as read ahead

But idt we’ve ever had a flip saga with read ahead

And for a good reason

[glad peak]

almost every saga with a good ch2+ would be great with read ahead

[knotty ferry]

im watching this draft

holy

this guy is bending the cards like crazy

[sleek ferry]

you got to be able to spread the cards to see them all

[knotty ferry]

nah this guy is tacoing the fuck out of those

[sleek ferry]

taking the newt over skycoach is crazy

[knotty ferry]

the newt is broken

i was watching a video where they were talking about some draft where people would just try to pull a tarmogoyf and if they got it, they instantly dropped the draft and sold it

thats so crazy

[sleek ferry]

it was crazy times

[knotty ferry]

wait is this real

lol

nah this guy is pissing me tf off

[sleek ferry]

literally everybody rearranges their cards like that lol

[knotty ferry]

bending them to signal to your team is crazy

maybe we need to make a team and take over pro tours

this guy loves the NEWT

wait is there an arena portion of the pro tour? @sleek ferry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZUpaJoudE

i just saw this

[sleek ferry]

There's Arena Championships

not sure if that's what you mean

[knotty ferry]

well here it says pro tour

so i figured its a separate event

or like

a separate part of the pro tour

[glad peak]

@inland folio [[dovescape]] + humility, there’s your hostage deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/dis/143/dovescape

Dovescape <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153>

Enchantment
( can be paid with either or .)
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, counter that spell. That player creates X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying, where X is the spell's mana value.

[glad peak]

You’re gonna die to 1/1s, sure, but that’s to be expected

[tardy echo]

I mean read ahead is a p broken mechanic in general for sagas

There is basically no saga that wouldn’t be pretty notably improved by having it

Also we’ve gotten saga creatures/lands, what’s the final frontier gonna be

Saga artifacts…

[golden plover]

I'd argue literally every saga is stronger with read ahead

[tardy echo]

Yeah I mean it’s literally only upside

It’s the same as like. Every creature would only be better if you gave them hexproof or something like that

Having more flexibility with the card = it’s better

[sleek ferry]

Only if they have over 3 toughness

[golden plover]

[[Greatest Show in the Multiverse]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/unf/189/greatest-show-in-the-multiverse

Greatest Show in the Multiverse <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile five instant and/or sorcery cards you own with the same artist and different names from outside the game.
I, II, III — Choose one of the exiled cards at random. You may cast it without paying its mana cost.

[golden plover]

We already have one

[tardy echo]

Holy

Actually why is that an artifact

That’s literally just downside right

[golden plover]

No fucking clue

It's unfinity

They were just saying shit

[tardy echo]

Anyways I was gonna say there’s a reason read ahead is only on like 10 cards or something like that lol

[golden plover]

Shout-out to unfinity. Gotta be the worst designed and least coherent unset

[golden plover]

11 cards, you were almost exactly right. And the 11th is a doctor who card that gives sagas read ahead

[tardy echo]

Ok so 10 cards because Dr who is fake

[sleek ferry]

Unfinity does have the prettiest shocks of all time though

[tardy echo]

I wasn’t sure if there were non dmu cards with read ahead

[sleek ferry]

Plus it gave us saw in half

And clown car

2 cedh staples

[tardy echo]

I just knew there were 2 of each color in there

Even if I didn’t remember what half of them do

I remember founding the third path Gixs cruelty braids return love song of night and day and world spell

Which is prob more than 90% of ppl would remember from those cards

[golden plover]

Yeah that's like the only good thing about that set

We don't acknowledge the whole border change

And the fact that some of them were randomly legal because commander players would be sad : (

And the fact that attractions and stickers were super unfun and had to get banned in every format lol

[tardy echo]

It was literally just mind goblin wasn’t it

[golden plover]

Mind Goblin was the problem card

But the issue was that you presented too much information by not going through the motions of presenting a sticker and attraction deck

Didn't matter if you had them or not, you needed to shuffle them up like you did just because it's too much info otherwise

[tardy echo]

Ok but nobody actually played them and they would honestly prob still be legal if it wasn’t for goblin

[sleek ferry]

Sticker goblin = 🐐

[golden plover]

Oh 100% but you don't want your opponent to know you're not running Mind Goblin

[tardy echo]

I just think the phrasing that stickers and attractions had to be banned everywhere is a bit misleading idk

It’s weird that unfinity was legal anywhere but only the one card was ever an issue

I do think it’s weird though that like the most random inoffensive cards weren’t legal from unf and then they let stuff like attractions be playable

[[nearby planet]] afaik there is nothing wrong with this card for example

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https://scryfall.com/card/unf/198/nearby-planet

Nearby Planet

Land
Rangeling (This card is every land type, including Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, Forest, Desert, Gate, Lair, Locus, and all those Urza's ones.)
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice it unless you pay .
"Here's a nice place we haven't hit yet." —Captain Rex Nebula

[tardy echo]

Besides the reminder text but lol

[glad peak]

since when was clown car a cedh staple

[golden plover]

Lol fursuiter replicating [[Indestructible Aura]] on the live stream

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https://scryfall.com/card/chr/7/indestructible-aura

Indestructible Aura <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn.
Theodar strode the battle lines, snatching swords with his bare hands and casting them aside until all cowered before him.

[golden plover]

Ooof that's a really bad rate

[subtle sierra]

don't you just love when you draw 15 lands in your 20 lands deck

[glad peak]

yes

[golden plover]

Fixed "one ring" lol

[knotty ferry]

Test

@sleek ferry your boy Reid duke just got cooked

[twilit canyon]

this is a completely different card that the one ring

[knotty ferry]

I thought you taught him everything he knows about mtg

[golden plover]

Yeah they just mentioned it being a new one ring

Fact or Fiction #35?

[knotty ferry]

What set is this

Is this new?

[golden plover]

Yeah, The Hobbit

[glad peak]

i'm likely to be able to build a new modern deck, what deck should i finally build

[knotty ferry]

Doesn't lord of the rings already exist

Theyre making another?

That's crazy

[golden plover]

Still no clue why were getting a full hobbit set but ya know

Wood Elves reprint

[twilit canyon]

the goat

funnily enough, idk if wood elves will see play rn cus the 2 drop that finds a basic is just super fucking efficient for the gb decks that give a shit about that stuff

[subtle sierra]

do we even have a forest to cheat out in standard

[twilit canyon]

fixing

all the shocklands

[golden plover]

Hobbit is a spiderman sized set btw

[glad peak]

we still got the surveil lands

[knotty ferry]

Team THE BOULDER

[twilit canyon]

urveils oo

[golden plover]

Artifact starts at 176

[knotty ferry]

Holy these team names

[golden plover]

So it was 100% an aftermath set

[glad peak]

surveils are solid with wood elves

[twilit canyon]

the rock evolved

yea but again, probs not super necessary

[knotty ferry]

Wait where are you guys watching these new cards

[twilit canyon]

then again, the meta would need to slow down for them

[knotty ferry]

I'm on the pro tour stream

Wait nvm

I found it

I think

[knotty ferry]

WTF SMAUG IS BROKEN

[golden plover]

Ehh close enough, welcome back goldspan dragon

[subtle sierra]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

ehhhhhhhhh

[golden plover]

Nah this card probably sucks

[subtle sierra]

this isn't goldspan

this is ass

[knotty ferry]

Holy shit treasure token is broken

[twilit canyon]

4 mana is actually nice...

[golden plover]

Is it better than Nova Hellkite or similar?

[knotty ferry]

[[nova hellkite]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/148/nova-hellkite

Nova Hellkite <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying, haste
When this creature enters, it deals 1 damage to target creature an opponent controls.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/5

[knotty ferry]

Sick art

[golden plover]

Lmao this looks so bad for the chase serialized card

[subtle sierra]

ye i don't like it

[knotty ferry]

Wait is hobbit or marvel the next set

[golden plover]

It's hobbit, reality fracture, then marvel

[subtle sierra]

uh no

[golden plover]

Oh right... Star Trek

That's happening too for some reason

[subtle sierra]

and marvel is first

[knotty ferry]

Interesting

[golden plover]

Treatment is cool, another card that feels kinda meh lol

[knotty ferry]

How come they're revealing hobbit before marvel

Well I guess we have marvel leaks

[subtle sierra]

they had marvel reveals

[knotty ferry]

Oh I missed it ig

[subtle sierra]

half the fucking fantastic 4 arts are made by lithuanians

you didn't play back then

so you missed it

it was quite a while ago

[golden plover]

Hmmm maybe okay in Prowess

[subtle sierra]

sleepy drew this

[knotty ferry]

@lost dust gj son

[golden plover]

One Ring reprint... As a Box Topper....

One of a few box toppers so this will do nothing to the price

These should've been special guests

[subtle sierra]

@tardy echo ajani will not be a dog sadly

[golden plover]

So it is the original Lorwyn 5 shifted to enemy color

[knotty ferry]

Head designer 🤣 this the dude that made Badgermole cub

[golden plover]

Reality Fracture precon

This is def creature art

Also Chandra Chill confirmed

[tardy echo]

Murder is a fixed lightning bolt

[knotty ferry]

I hate this dudes voice

Holy shit stop SHOUTING

[subtle sierra]

WAIT PAIR

what

what

[stark skiff]

Wow the Hobbit shit was garbage

[subtle sierra]

if you pull torch

[golden plover]

Paired cards is confirmed yeah

[subtle sierra]

you pull the ice one

[golden plover]

Yeah that's pretty cool

[knotty ferry]

HOLY

[copper pecan]

oh that's a cool gimmick

[fallow citrus]

are they like double sided then?

[subtle sierra]

no

[fallow citrus]

someone post the link to the stream so I can peep

[subtle sierra]

you just pull both

[knotty ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/live/wT8_n61ehvg?si=QgkJINx3rj-YT9e5

[tardy echo]

Shit set

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8_n61ehvg

[stark skiff]

Oh Reality Fracture is where we delete Green from the game. Thank you Wizards.

[fallow citrus]

garruk time

[tardy echo]

4 color Jace insane

Garruk will solve the crisis single-handedly

[golden plover]

Chain Veil Garruk

[tardy echo]

Hell one shot white liliana and then oko while we’re at it

Oh that’s actual confirmation of a new garruk

[twilit canyon]

garruk still looks too green in the supposed black form of him

[tardy echo]

2 of them even!!

He looks azorius

Idk

[golden plover]

Yeah Black Garruk looks Simic

[twilit canyon]

colorscheme-wise kinda

i dont see black much at all

[tardy echo]

Is he gonna be black?

[twilit canyon]

wait hes purple

ohhh new color

leaked

[stark skiff]

It’s pink. The background gives it away

[tardy echo]

Wait ur lying

[subtle sierra]

oh that's why tam was a bitch to jadzi

she's jace's spy

[tardy echo]

Jadzi is or Tam is

[glad peak]

oh shit the veil garruk is real?

[fallow citrus]

tam

[golden plover]

Tam looks like 30 now lol

[tardy echo]

I’m pretty sure we already knew that no

[glad peak]

that means that the alt school storyline is gonna be real

[subtle sierra]

jace created tam

[tardy echo]

Disgusting ass nasty ass color scheme

[stark skiff]

I’m here for it. Give me new Azorious.

[twilit canyon]

transgender jace actually

[glad peak]

we only knew about veil garruk + chill chandra vs garruk + chandra from the testing things

[tardy echo]

Is that reality fractured Jace or no

[fallow citrus]

reality fracture where nicol bolas is the good dragon actually

[subtle sierra]

gatewatch vs jace lmao

[tardy echo]

5 color evil chad ugin mogging the virgin good guy selesnya bolas

[tardy echo]

What’s crazy is that somehow they’re gonna plot contrivance it to still be a close fight

Even though Jace historically is an insane jobber

[golden plover]

Hexhaven confirmed

[tardy echo]

This might be good actually no

[subtle sierra]

this is emeritus but hexhaven

[tardy echo]

OH WAIT

ITS COLORSWAPPED POWER

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[tardy echo]

I’m a genius…

[fallow citrus]

blue bolt time

[tardy echo]

How do you even do other swapped powers

[fallow citrus]

oh ally colour schools

[tardy echo]

Red can get time walk I guess

[fallow citrus]

surely you just change the white one into bolt actually

[tardy echo]

We’re so backdos @twilit canyon

[glad peak]

red is probably just final fortune

[tardy echo]

It’s prob white bolt red time walk green time twister (?)

Sort of hard to say

[fallow citrus]

fatehold actually fucks as a name

[tardy echo]

These names are good and the school concepts are cool but it’s also like

[glad peak]

unless they're going to keep it to the prepared emeritus cards but colorswapped

[tardy echo]

Could we not have been a little more creative

[fallow citrus]

is this the return of blocks

we have 2 strixhaven in a row

[tardy echo]

Stingerquill is pretty shit for a name actually

[fallow citrus]

i am very smart

[glad peak]

school of painful words lmao wut

[twilit canyon]

stingerquill is fucking garbage too of a name

[tardy echo]

Is this not literally what silverquill was

Debate your opponent so hard they explode??

[twilit canyon]

if only

[tardy echo]

Idk I feel like that checks out for swapped color that doesn’t pie break too hard

[fallow citrus]

oooh this is cool

[tardy echo]

The cards themselves would all be different than og but

[fallow citrus]

literally having their arm held together by a plant

[twilit canyon]

yea i like that art too

the idea behind it is p sick

[fallow citrus]

also love the idea of this

act shocked quick

[tardy echo]

It seems cool that the opposite schools still have the same central idea so they’ll prob be cool as 3c shards

[tardy echo]

Omg I can’t believe it

[twilit canyon]

omg

also genuinely like this card a lot

[glad peak]

omg new snapcaster? gasp

[tardy echo]

What is less cool is that it’s tarkir shards and not Alara shards

[twilit canyon]

grixis will never be good again

[knotty ferry]

Is stingcaster good

[twilit canyon]

yes

[knotty ferry]

I know tales have been told about the asian version of him from back in the day

[glad peak]

we got alara shards in aetherdrift, good enough

[tardy echo]

Barely

[twilit canyon]

even in a more "normal" setting like standard rn, he'll be good at flashing back the already strong izzet spells

[lost dust]

Crazy

[knotty ferry]

Oh yeah with cheap spells that's pretty good

[twilit canyon]

stingcaster -> flashback removal or flow state and go +1 million

[knotty ferry]

Wait does flashback have instant speed

[tardy echo]

Stingcaster target flashback

[twilit canyon]

if the card is an instant

[tardy echo]

gg

[fallow citrus]

if the card does then yeah

[knotty ferry]

Oh ok

Copies the speed

I see

🕵️

[tardy echo]

Stingcaster target flashback flashback target sorceress schemes add back flashback I’m COOKING

[glad peak]

oh yeah spat how was etron in modern

[tardy echo]

[subtle sierra]

ok so tam is just vraska

[knotty ferry]

Haven't tried it yet

[fallow citrus]

I like this art

[knotty ferry]

I'm going to standard locals today

[tardy echo]

Jace found out he can’t bring his hot wife with him everywhere and decided to make a new one that he can

[twilit canyon]

white lili, red ajani, blue chandra, uhh

[fallow citrus]

yay. marvel.

[tardy echo]

Vraska being involved is odd though

[twilit canyon]

is it white vraska and black garruk?

[subtle sierra]

that's why she looks older in this set

[tardy echo]

Azorius vraska

[golden plover]

Welp that was all the interesting part of the steam lol

[tardy echo]

Or this maybe

[twilit canyon]

oh duh

could be azorius

[subtle sierra]

isn't it just tam on the art

[golden plover]

I guess we'll see what's planned for 2027

[tardy echo]

Azorius matches w her storyline

[glad peak]

guess there's no green on the opposing side

unless lili is green white

[twilit canyon]

green is gone 🎉

[tardy echo]

I think I might’ve said it before but there’s a non 0% chance that fracture vraska is a not very subtle allegory

[fallow citrus]

we replace green and just have white twice

[tardy echo]

Gorgon cop who thinks other gorgons should just behave

Etc

[twilit canyon]

i can see it

[tardy echo]

They haven’t shown us the color swapped green Jace yet don’t worry

[twilit canyon]

anyways i cant wait for this storyline to end with "and it turns out, it was all nicol bolas all along as he was working to revive the phyrexians/bring them back" and we can have them be the villains again for another 10 years before a mediocre final fight against them this time fr fr

[fallow citrus]

obviously jace is wubrg after he absorbs all the reality swapped walkers and fixes everything

[tardy echo]

Jace the bush sculptor
+2 gain G
0 search your library for a forest put it on the battlefield tapped then shuffle
-3 put any number of lands from your hand
-12 destroy all your opponents lands

gg?

[twilit canyon]

bush sculptor is crazy

[subtle sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/atg-studiocapa-capa-pandu-angry-gif-24931068

bolas be like

[tardy echo]

That was the part I spent the most time thinking of

[glad peak]

bush sculptor

[subtle sierra]

YOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tardy echo]

Also Jace is doing the reality fracture stuff to reverse the effects of the invasion right

[twilit canyon]

they condensed you into flavor text for an ability

[fallow citrus]

yeah that's the story allegedly

[tardy echo]

I think the easy money prediction is that status quo resets and then we find out that he actually reset the timeline to when Phyrexia was still in the multiverse

lol

[stark skiff]

Holy shit the Vision

[fallow citrus]

he resets it too hard and yawgmoth is back

[subtle sierra]

i fucking double strike

[twilit canyon]

its a good thing no one actually gives a shit about mtg's story direction cus that'd be so fucking dogwater

[tardy echo]

Ok but that would be fire

[glad peak]

maybe i should make yawgy poggy

[knotty ferry]

Wait

[tardy echo]

Mtg hasn’t had actual good story beats since war lol

[knotty ferry]

I just realized

When they do drafting in pro tours

[tardy echo]

And it hasn’t had an actual strong plotline since before that

[knotty ferry]

The cards are in english

So if you don't know English do you just have to know every card beforehand

[twilit canyon]

yeah

thats generally the case ayways

*anyways

[knotty ferry]

I mean yes if you're a pro and you have to draft you should already know

I get that

But still

[tardy echo]

Most pros know the English copies etc

[twilit canyon]

(they do offer translations)

[tardy echo]

You can also look it up can’t you

[knotty ferry]

Sure but you have a time limit no

[subtle sierra]

holy fuck that burn

[knotty ferry]

30 seconds or whatever

[subtle sierra]

on rdj

[tardy echo]

My alternative prediction is that we get a color swap of some extremely strong good guy who’s evil and that becomes the world ending threat to be dealt with in 3-5 business years

[subtle sierra]

evil elspeth

[tardy echo]

Rakdos urza, 5c ugin, something like that

Those are the low hanging fruits

[tardy echo]

That’s Elspeth

[subtle sierra]

ok fair

[tardy echo]

You know what plane would be cool to see color shifted? Capenna

[subtle sierra]

it's just blink

[golden plover]

Capenna but it's all cops

[tardy echo]

Capenna except everybody is a good guy and then there are just demons trapped in the city that they have to restrain all the time

Oh wait that’s good no

[copper pecan]

mind stoning deez nuts?

[tardy echo]

🪨

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-i'll-take-10-i'll-take-ten-gif-12481465053351554736

[stark skiff]

No it’s THE mind stoning deez nuts

[tardy echo]

It would’ve been so incredibly unbelievably funny if the mind stone was just a mind stone alt art

Like I don’t think I could put into words how happy that would’ve made me

[stark skiff]

Also blink is so zzz for the Mind Stone. You’d think you’d take over someone’s creature for the turn at least

[knotty ferry]

Thank you Adam west

[lusty trench]

Me when I... pay above rate for conjurerors closet?

[subtle sierra]

It's a non land permanent

And it's only 1 extra for indestructible

Oh wait no it's 2 extra ig

Harness needs to tap

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry you watching?

[sleek ferry]

I missed it, I was taking a nap

Did we get new marvel stuff?

[knotty ferry]

Idts

I'm watching the pro tour

[subtle sierra]

we did

vision

[knotty ferry]

Oh

[subtle sierra]

he has me in his text

[knotty ferry]

🦦 BAN 🦦 STORMCHASERS 🦦 TALENT 🦦

[sleek ferry]

Vision, the guy from the sitcom?

[subtle sierra]

also mind stone

[knotty ferry]

Nah that's sheldon

[subtle sierra]

it's just soul stone but blinks on harness

[fallow citrus]

interesting deck

https://x.com/trail_of_magic/status/2050286553977507954?s=20

trail of magic (@trail_of_magic)

#2 mythic 80% winrate in standard with selesnya unremovables. Decklist, matchup spread, and other screenshots below.

X · May 1, 2026, 6:49 PM

[glad peak]

selesnya auraless bogles is not something i had on my bingo sheet

[golden plover]

Huh might have to try that

It's definitely a meta call, but I can see it being really strong

[subtle sierra]

but what if i remove them

what then

[twilit canyon]

hmm well... you simply wont

[subtle sierra]

fr tho i could see why izzet would struggle with this

[tardy echo]

I have still never seen figure of fable get bigger than 2/3

Every once in a while though someone remembers that tyvar pummeler is a v strong card

[golden plover]

I'm worried how this plays into Jeskai tho

[subtle sierra]

to an extent, it doesn't

[tardy echo]

Pump tyvar and pray

[golden plover]

I guess you're just faster than Jeskai

[subtle sierra]

your only solution to doj is to somehow kill t4 or have tyvar

[knotty ferry]

Why are the kithkin cards so fucking ugly

[tardy echo]

It’s part of the their tribal identity

[golden plover]

I'll probably try this for a bit this weekend. Golgari is making me sad

[tardy echo]

What’s the fucking crazy looking one from ecl

[knotty ferry]

Their tribe should get removed

[tardy echo]

From the og artist

[knotty ferry]

For assaulting my eyes

[stark skiff]

yes

[sleek ferry]

@stark skiff mail day

[tardy echo]

Golgari has been a blast for me personally

I still haven’t played the demon stuff though

[golden plover]

I'm playing the demon stuff but my issue is that prowess just cooks you

And being bad into prowess rn feels wrong

[glad peak]

rich

[golden plover]

They should ban that island card

[glad peak]

anyways going to fedex to print proxies

[tardy echo]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[tardy echo]

Requiting has sort of hard carried for me idk

[sleek ferry]

@glad peak I’m thinking of building Helios for cedh

[tardy echo]

I can smoke the crab I’m more scared of slickshot whenever I play

[golden plover]

The issue is they'll just protect slickshot or make 300 little otters and I'm dead

[glad peak]

which heliod?

[sleek ferry]

Radiant dawn

[golden plover]

When they protect slickshot I die

[glad peak]

what sort of playstyle do you have again

[sleek ferry]

All of them

[glad peak]

no good playstyle, copy

[tardy echo]

Idk it’s not the easiest MU but it’s also not been the worst for me

I’m also playing a lot of cards that coincidentally play p well into that deck

Obsessive pursuit + I’m on more copies of charm than most other lists help a lot if they’re just trying to burn you out

[knotty ferry]

Yo what decks am I supposed to side duress into?

[glad peak]

combo and control decks

[tardy echo]

It’s v strong into combo control and certain midrange

Decks with single cards that facilitate very strong gameplans

[knotty ferry]

My thought process is vs the slower decks, getting rid of one card is probably pretty decent

[tardy echo]

Or to insulate your own gameplan against disruption

[knotty ferry]

So I guess that makes sense

[tardy echo]

Vs control it’s an easy way to force/remove a counter spell or removal to let your stuff through

[knotty ferry]

I could take out requiting hex vs those decks so that can be a better turn 1 play theoretically

Bc hex is sometimes so bad

[tardy echo]

He’s learning honey @sleek ferry

I’m so proud of you snookums

[knotty ferry]

That's not my name, diaper boy

[tardy echo]

Where did diaper boy even come from

[knotty ferry]

Green player = not potty trained = wears diapers = diaper boy

[tardy echo]

Holy you’re just mad because you lost to it

Also Im not a landfall gamer… that’s not the type of deck I play

[knotty ferry]

Mad? I'm chilling

[sleek ferry]

Diaper boy is such a funny nickname

Almost as funny as errand boy

[knotty ferry]

Who's that

[glad peak]

so what're you trying to do with this deck lol

[tardy echo]

Heliod is cedh playable?

[knotty ferry]

Holy shit

[tardy echo]

Radiant dawn is the Phyrexian one right is it just a stax deck

[knotty ferry]

TURKIYE ON STREAM

[glad peak]

radiant dawn heliod is cedh playable and there's a specialist near me

[tardy echo]

What’s the idea with it exactly

[sleek ferry]

This is the list I was going to template and go from there, I just wanted insights on it https://moxfield.com/decks/snCZu78B2UWGNd1Km5ea2g

[glad peak]

it attacks the format in a weird axis where it's just a shit ton of wheels

[tardy echo]

Also on the topic can we please please please go back to theros soon

One of the only planes with actual large scale status quo shifts post invasion

At least one entire god got fucking slimed and then they just didn’t even go back in aftermath to talk about it

[glad peak]

wheel a shit ton, then play out your hand, then coveted jewel, play out your hand again, pray no one has interaction, and you win by uhhhh loop instants over and over again with hullbreaker or kitten and meditation i think?

from there you make infinite uh... bird tokens?

[tardy echo]

Is there really no line with narset wheel or anything

[glad peak]

but yeah basically nuke the opponent's board to the stone age, make infinite birds then uhhhhh pass the turn

i know some people play thoracle because you draw discard a lot

narset wheel is pretty weak, it's an additional card you have to have + 3 more mana

it does hit rhystic slop though, not bad

[tardy echo]

Well I’m just wondering is narset herself not strong as a deterrent in cedh

[glad peak]

nope

[tardy echo]

I know that ad naus/necro etc get around her but is stuff like rhystic/remora etc not enough of a reason

[glad peak]

it's mainly the problem of using a card to slow down rhystics, which still draws 2-3 cards a turn cycle, that also doesn't do anything else is pretty bad

[tardy echo]

Shrug just seems a little free to me but w/e

[glad peak]

it's the same reason why so many people don't play orcish even if they're in this meta unless their commander wants it

the card slot, speed, and mana is what makes it not free

decks nowadays are too tight

[sleek ferry]

The argument a lot of cedh players would say to you is that you’re taking away interaction that could potentially be used vs your opponents, to be used on you, and then the player who untaps after Narset is removed has a huge tempo boost

You could also unironically be helping some people at the table with Narset, mainly the non blue decks

[glad peak]

that's one argument but the biggest reason is that narset's just too narrow of an answer and not even a good answer

not to mention that you do just give the turbo player the win if you do that

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I was going to say

[tardy echo]

That is what seems like the actual deterrent to me idk

[sleek ferry]

If Etali is in your pod, and they see Narset come down

They’re chilling

[tardy echo]

I guess commander doesn’t have a side board

I’m just aware that narset was actually a p present card in duel commander

At least before they banned urza

[knotty ferry]

WTF IS THIS DUDE ON STREAM BABBLING ABOUT

"there are so many cool decks in secrets of shagsgaiwisnnakkaozo"

[sleek ferry]

T3feri is a nice deterrent

[knotty ferry]

Holy, Reid duke kinda looks like wolfey

[glad peak]

t3feri isn't a deterrent, it's a silence

[tardy echo]

Yeah I guess when u have 4 players that matters more

[sleek ferry]

Well yeah, it’s a silence it’s a voice of victory it’s a grand abolishet

[knotty ferry]

Kinda talks like wolfey too

[sleek ferry]

All cards that are played in cedh

[glad peak]

if narset was more flexible i could see the argument for playing her

[sleek ferry]

Reid Duke playing prowess is so disappointing sigh

What’s my boy Ken Yukuhiro playing

[knotty ferry]

Holy, the thugs deck

[glad peak]

https://tenor.com/view/faust-gif-12478501275459632096

faust?

[tardy echo]

Is teferi desparked btw

[sleek ferry]

High Noon is unironically the best anti izzet card

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[past socket]

Now I’m just reminded of Rakdos the Muscle decks on Mindslicer

[sleek ferry]

Source: Salt told me

[past socket]

Essentially a pseudo abolisher/voice without Rhystic out

[tardy echo]

Sad…

[glad peak]

yes, it's played in modern for the same reason

[past socket]

Since with Rakdos and a Mindslicer sac you alone get to play

[sleek ferry]

I mean it’s also just better rule of raw

[tardy echo]

Are there any fun planeswalkers who didn’t get desparked

[glad peak]

mindslicer's a funny card

[tardy echo]

Rule of raw? You mean Mormonism?

[subtle sierra]

ral

[tardy echo]

Do we know if actual ral didn’t get desparked

[knotty ferry]

Thugs and I always follow the rule of raw

[tardy echo]

I was just gonna say kaya

[knotty ferry]

Word me @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

Always have

[subtle sierra]

ral is a walker in bloomburrow

[sleek ferry]

Always will

[tardy echo]

Is bloomburrow actually canon to real story events

[knotty ferry]

"I really liked the Badgermole cub deck"

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[tardy echo]

holy schmoly

[knotty ferry]

"I played mono green landfall, which is a deck I have a lot of love for"

[tardy echo]

On the subject of duel commander was M&B good in actual commander

[knotty ferry]

🫃

[sleek ferry]

Badgermole is the goat when it’s being played in golgari

Reid Duke on stream

[subtle sierra]

holy fuck that maestro list someone posted is so bad i wanna kms

imagine playing something that goes off slower than control with 0 control tools

[knotty ferry]

Kona-chan >_<

[sleek ferry]

You can’t call her that

[twilit canyon]

where the pic of someone being compared to an elephant

[sleek ferry]

You hate green

[knotty ferry]

Why not...

True

I like Kona tho

[tardy echo]

Holy

[knotty ferry]

Next time I see a badger or a mole, though, I'm killing it

Hell, even cubs aren't safe

[tardy echo]

I bet spat would’ve loved nissa that shakes the earth

[glad peak]

Tbf almost everyone loved nissa who shakes that ass

[sleek ferry]

Yummy

[tardy echo]

Crazy

[twilit canyon]

not i

[sleek ferry]

No cupsy

[twilit canyon]

nissa is in my bottom 5 magic characters

[glad peak]

Not nissa as a character

Because nissa as a character is bottom of the barrel

The card was loved though

[twilit canyon]

this makes me tolerate her cards at best

[knotty ferry]

Nah I looked her up

[sleek ferry]

This is crazy cap

[tardy echo]

The fact that nissa isn’t the most boring G planeswalker is actually an extreme testament to how abysmal dogshit Vivien is as a character

[glad peak]

Nissa is bottom 3 for me ngl

[tardy echo]

Wasn’t it banned

It was loved for eldraine standards but lol

[twilit canyon]

the genuine nissa defender

[sleek ferry]

I like both Nissa and Vivien, and I don’t even like green

[glad peak]

Not really but he was a funny stax/snoop commander (rg back when he could’ve seen play was forced into one of these roles)

[twilit canyon]

as if nissa wouldnt call you "one of the good ones" for defending her

[sleek ferry]

Nahiri exists

[twilit canyon]

hitler vs stalin ass comparison

[glad peak]

Nissa had the best pr team frfr

[tardy echo]

Do you like her because she’s actually an interesting character or because she’s gay

Answer truthfully

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t be surprised if wotc made nissa gay just to make her look more likable

[sleek ferry]

Kasmina also exists

[tardy echo]

Truly? It probably was and it succeeded

[knotty ferry]

Your boy is washed @sleek ferry

[tardy echo]

Nissa is bottom 10 for me not bottom 5 because of that

[twilit canyon]

unintentionally appreciate wotc making her gay cus we need more women's wrongs around

[sleek ferry]

Name one thing Kasmina has done besides being completely useless

[tardy echo]

She aurafarmed during war of the spark

That’s about as much as wanderer did too

[sleek ferry]

Oh, fucking Lukka

Another useless character

Best thing he did was get compleated

[glad peak]

Nah lukka is above nissa by a lot

He has a cute doggo

[tardy echo]

Ok real actual question

Is there a lukka planeswalker that isn’t compleated

[twilit canyon]

yes

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[glad peak]

Yes

[tardy echo]

HOLY

[sleek ferry]

2 actually

[tardy echo]

HOLYYYY

[sleek ferry]

One is a flip

The other is regular

[twilit canyon]

the flip is from strixhaven og

[sleek ferry]

[[mila crafty companion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/153/mila-crafty-companion-lukka-wayward-bonder

Mila, Crafty Companion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Fox
Whenever an opponent attacks one or more planeswalkers you control, put a loyalty counter on each planeswalker you control.
Whenever a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
2/3

Lukka, Wayward Bonder
Legendary Planeswalker — Lukka
+1: You may discard a card. If you do, draw a card. If a creature card was discarded this way, draw two cards instead.
−2: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of your next upkeep.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature you control enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target."
Loyalty: 5

[lusty trench]

Someone on twitter pointed out that reality shifted Liliana still has her headpiece she yoinked from an angel she killed

[tardy echo]

Oh wait I knew this one I just thought he was a creature

[sleek ferry]

[[lukka copper]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/125/lukka-coppercoat-outcast

Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Lukka
+1: Exile the top three cards of your library. Creature cards exiled this way gain "You may cast this card from exile as long as you control a Lukka planeswalker."
−2: Exile target creature you control, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card with greater mana value. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
−7: Each creature you control deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
Loyalty: 5

[subtle sierra]

maybe in shifter reality she was gifted one

[tardy echo]

Theyll prob say it was a gift from an angel

[tardy echo]

Yeah

[glad peak]

Nah it’s funnier if she killed the angel just for the shits and giggles

[twilit canyon]

actually she exiled the angel

[glad peak]

Or if you want to stick to colors, maybe it’s because the angel didnt agree with her view of Justice or something

[tardy echo]

White Liliana started out good and turned evil after Gideon whiteshield killed her dear friend Nicol Bolas

After she turned evil she killed an angel

[sleek ferry]

Shifter? I heard from famous Yugioh player thugs that’s the best designed Yugioh card ever

[subtle sierra]

the angel was blinked and accidentally dropped it

[subtle sierra]

BYE

[tardy echo]

Ok but realistically actual Liliana is gonna powermog right

[lusty trench]

The 7 compleated planeswalkers (minus ajani cause ajani goated) are called them the 7 bums
Tibalt: the fraud
Lukka: the Loser
Tamiya: the Inactive
Jace: the dumb
Nissa: the racist
Nahiri: the hypocrite
Vraska: the irrelevant

[tardy echo]

Tibalt compleation was so fake that he didn’t even get a card LMFAO

[twilit canyon]

liliana accidentally blinks her own angel with containment priest in play
"imagine the value though"
-liliana

[tardy echo]

Tyvar beat his ass to death out of the print stock

[twilit canyon]

speaking of good characters and walkers

[lusty trench]

That man is selling battles he didnt even get represented in 💀

[tardy echo]

Also don’t call tamiyo inactive she achieved more than all the other compleated PWs put together on her own

[lusty trench]

Bro is shown on exactly one card

[tardy echo]

She compleated one (1!) thing!!

[twilit canyon]

this but post-mortem btw

[tardy echo]

Oh TRUE she compleated one thing and then gave impetus for duskmourn!!

Lukka literally got a card and then died offscreen

[lusty trench]

She set up a 5g WiFi update for the phyrexians with the help of jin gataxis and that did exactly nothing

[twilit canyon]

the way tamiyo has only had a single good card yet her movements in lore are unmatched

[tardy echo]

She’s had like 3 no?

OG tamiyo was good when it came out

[twilit canyon]

hmmm

[tardy echo]

Collector of tales was v strong and now we have flip face

[twilit canyon]

ig bant tamiyo wasnt a total meme

and collector of tales was a good pick

[tardy echo]

I forgot about field researcher

[twilit canyon]

hmmm ig she hasnt been dogshit

[tardy echo]

So that’s 3.5…

[sleek ferry]

Who killed Lukka btw

[tardy echo]

Tamiyo has a p good track record as far as they go

[tardy echo]

Boredom

[twilit canyon]

kaito? iirc

[tardy echo]

If it’s not depicted on card art… I’m gonna say kasmina

Because it would be funny

[twilit canyon]

dude... kaito was honestly cool when he wasnt being presented like a protagonist ngl

and hes has 2 fire pw cards

[sleek ferry]

Damn Kaito really be out here fucking dudes

[lusty trench]

Who did she compleate BTW I forgor

[twilit canyon]

emperor wont give him the time of day so...

[tardy echo]

She compleated boseiju

[twilit canyon]

we go back to kamigawa and boseiju will be uncompleated (built different)

[lusty trench]

...Thats a fucking tree I'm not counting that

[sleek ferry]

It’s a tree that endures

Get it right

[twilit canyon]

that tree has more character and nuance than nissa

put some respect

[tardy echo]

What she said

[lusty trench]

Also I still believe this to be my generational all time Legacy to mtg lore

[tardy echo]

She did in the process also almost kill kaito

If it wasn’t for deus ex wanderer

Wanderer is in Kayasylum btw because she’s too strong they’ll always relegate her to whack ass side quests

[lusty trench]

She's been a walker longer than kaito was alive if she was losing to kaito she deserves it

[sleek ferry]

I’m surprised TWE isn’t part of the reality fracture tbh, considering her ability

[tardy echo]

She wasn’t losing to kaito

She was literally about to kill him

The only reason she didn’t is because of wanderer

[lusty trench]

That what im saying though

[tardy echo]

Who one shot her

Because wanderer is broken

[lusty trench]

Should be a hydrogen bomb coughing baby matchup

If she lost that she's throwing

[tardy echo]

I just think we should put some respect on her name

[lusty trench]

Losing to the wander is respectable because she's just so ungodly broken

[tardy echo]

She accomplished more in the span of like 3 cards what every other compleat walker did in their entirety

[lusty trench]

Nah i like treated characters like frauds its funny

[tardy echo]

Also tamiyo herself deserves more respect holy

[sleek ferry]

The real all time fraud is Jace

[tardy echo]

Shes the one who put emrakul in the moon…

[tardy echo]

WORD

[twilit canyon]

this would require wotc not writing her out of the story or else the problem is resolved immediately

[tardy echo]

he’s actually the biggest jobber in the whole game

[lusty trench]

Who wanted to be there anyway smh

I agree tho jace is a bum too

[twilit canyon]

they had to write her out of war of the spark and new phyrexia its insane

[tardy echo]

Well yeah but she had to find someone who could do it

[sleek ferry]

Jace wishes he could hold Urza or Teferi’s nutsack as a blue pw

[tardy echo]

Lowk? Kasmina mogs that guy

[subtle sierra]

give us a black planeswalker called the sedentary emperor that has flash and is broken

[tardy echo]

Even more lowkey? Narset mogged that guy before she got desparked

Highkey? Ashiok mogs that guy

Literally every single blue PW mogs jace besides saheeli

[sleek ferry]

Btw we need to discuss the fact

[lusty trench]

Jace when facing an opponent he can't memory manipulate

[sleek ferry]

That Narset by all accounts got stronger after being desparked

[tardy echo]

I mean that kind of makes sense when u think about the story

After getting desparked she actually just sat down and locked the FUCK in

[twilit canyon]

narset having lost to zurgo in the og timeline was her lowest point

[tardy echo]

Rediscovered the way remade jeskai in her image the whole 9 yards

[twilit canyon]

she only could go up

[tardy echo]

And then she one shots sarkhan it’s actually so funny

[sleek ferry]

Zurgo was a goat… too bad his card is bad

[tardy echo]

[[narsets dismissal]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “narsets dismissal”

[lusty trench]

By all accounts this should be a career ending loss

[tardy echo]

wtf is the card

[lusty trench]

Reversal?

[twilit canyon]

no

its umm

fuck

where is it

[tardy echo]

[[narsets rebuke]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/114/narsets-rebuke

Narset's Rebuke <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Narset's Rebuke deals 5 damage to target creature. Add . If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
With a swift motion Narset struck Sarkhan down. She would not let his fevered dreams of draconic dominance come to fruition. Not after all she had done to free Tarkir.

[twilit canyon]

lol

yeah

[tardy echo]

She literally just waves her hand and he DIES

[sleek ferry]

Wait sarkhan is dead?

[tardy echo]

Not literally

[lusty trench]

Fellas who do you got as your most obscure walker that isn't that mf from the garruk trailer

My moneys on shield boy

[tardy echo]

Kalix

lol

[twilit canyon]

shield boy is a good call (teyo iirc?)

[tardy echo]

Yeah it’s teyo

I think kalix is a funnier pick

[sleek ferry]

Syr Ginger should have been a pw sigh

[lusty trench]

Nah calix at least has aura

[tardy echo]

Teyo has 4 cards

[twilit canyon]

calix had one sided beef with elspeth before getting written out but

calix had a semi-meta relevant card

[tardy echo]

Was the pw actually good?

[sleek ferry]

Both of his cards saw some play

[tardy echo]

Oh yk who actually

Angrath

[sleek ferry]

The non pw Calix card saw way more common play though

[twilit canyon]

angrath gets a playability buff

he saw a bit of play

[tardy echo]

Didn’t one of the teyos see play too

[twilit canyon]

honestly? kinda respectable that his story went off and completed his sidequest and fucked off

[tardy echo]

[[mu yangling]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gs1/1/mu-yanling

Mu Yanling <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Yanling
+2: Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
−3: Draw two cards.
−10: Tap all creatures your opponents control. You take an extra turn after this one.
Loyalty: 5

[tardy echo]

This one…

[lusty trench]

Teyo has 3 cards and one of them is online only be fr

[tardy echo]

Or Arlen

Or the weird green one

[tardy echo]

Calix has 2 bro they’re in the same boat

[twilit canyon]

her brother

[tardy echo]

There is a nonzero amount of one and done pws though

[twilit canyon]

cus she had one card

[lusty trench]

Yeah but all of teyos are bad

[tardy echo]

Yeah what’s his name

[twilit canyon]

that was kinda good

[tardy echo]

I don’t want to seem racist trying to guess it

Also uh Arlen is pretty up there in pointlessness

[twilit canyon]

idk

he has a dog iirc

[lusty trench]

Thats not her brother

[twilit canyon]

arlinn?

[lusty trench]

Jiang Yanggu

[tardy echo]

Yeah

She’s a really cool card but

[sleek ferry]

Arlinn has a dog? I thought she was a dog

[twilit canyon]

both

[sleek ferry]

Isn’t she a werewolf

[twilit canyon]

actually

[tardy echo]

Truly idt the plot has any difference at all

[twilit canyon]

she is a werewolf

[lusty trench]

Mf has 2 cards and a dog

[tardy echo]

For her being in it or not

[twilit canyon]

but she has wolves

also yea

unfort

[tardy echo]

She’s a werewolf and has a dog

[twilit canyon]

she saw some minor play

[sleek ferry]

We calling being engaged in a polygamous marriage owning a dog now

Crazy

Those aren’t her dogs, those are her husbands

All 13 of them

[twilit canyon]

i think jiang yanggu is def bottom of the barrel

[tardy echo]

Actually

No

[[sivitri]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “sivitri”, can you be more specific?

[tardy echo]

[[sivitri dragon master]]

[twilit canyon]

[[dragon master]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/43/sivitri-dragon-master

Sivitri, Dragon Master <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sivitri
+1: Until your next turn, creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays 2 life for each of those creatures.
−3: Search your library for a Dragon card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
−7: Destroy all non-Dragon creatures.
Sivitri, Dragon Master can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/211/dragonmaster-outcast

Dragonmaster Outcast <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control six or more lands, create a 5/5 red Dragon creature token with flying.
"This world will be ruled by its rightful sovereigns, not these hideous pretenders."
1/1

[twilit canyon]

oh

[lusty trench]

Wait I got it

[tardy echo]

I literally had to look this card up.

[lusty trench]

Davirel

[twilit canyon]

i remember her

guys, famous dimir dragons deck legend here

[tardy echo]

Venser is also a funny answer

[lusty trench]

This is his only card

[tardy echo]

Isn’t davriel like… someone else

Or something

[twilit canyon]

not true actually

soul broker and davriel's withering broke historic for a hot minute

[lusty trench]

online only card

[twilit canyon]

a lot of ppl play arena

honestly a shame that it got nerfed too cus withering + vesperlark was a cool ass combo

[lusty trench]

Iirc he had a cool ass Japanese art

[twilit canyon]

yea

[lusty trench]

Rad

[twilit canyon]

honestly really weird they just

never followed up on anyone they introduced after

and then desparked a whole lot of them to make them irrelevant

[lusty trench]

I forgot about this art lmao

[tardy echo]

Samut and koth

[lusty trench]

What did they do to you my man

[twilit canyon]

basri ket

[tardy echo]

Are both also pretty (ir)relevant

[twilit canyon]

samut and koth are a shame they suck and are irrelevant

koth cus like

he could have easily been

samut cus same

[tardy echo]

Huatli also