Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

Banning jlo for brackets 3 and below makes 0 sense

[glad peak]

nadu was busted regardless of cedh

[inland folio]

[[rofellos]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/pvan/305/rofellos

Rofellos

Vanguard
Whenever a creature you control dies, draw a card.
Gerrard's longtime friend and fellow student under the maro-sorcerer Multani, Rofellos is an excellent warrior and excellent company. Though adept at both magic and swordplay, he's far more comfortable with a flagon in his hand and a good companion at his side.
Hand Size: -2
Starting Life: +4

[inland folio]

tf kinda card is this

[knotty ferry]

Jennifer lopez???

[glad peak]

they banned jlo because it felt bad that you can get a 4 mana commander on turn 1 and then banned crypt because 2 mana a turn is broken and crypt isn't in every precon

meanwhile: sol ring

[knotty ferry]

Oh jeweled lotus

[sleek ferry]

Crypt is also 0 mana tbf

[inland folio]

[[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/226/golos-tireless-pilgrim

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Scout
When Golos enters, you may search your library for a land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
: Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn without paying their mana costs.
3/5

[inland folio]

why is this banned

[glad peak]

this one was banned because it was too easy to combo with no matter waht you're using, with the combos never having a clear end point

[inland folio]

yeah i can see why paradox engine is banned

[sleek ferry]

I think banning crypt was enough, and banning jlo actively made cedh worse, because now everybody is back to good old reliable; partner commanders

[inland folio]

this one makes no sense to me

[glad peak]

let's be honest, if crypt is gone sol ring gotta go too

[glad peak]

this one was banned because the question just became "if i'm running 5 colors then why would i play any commander other than this"

[copper pecan]

golos was so strong is was better for most strategies than commanders made specifically for those strategies were

[glad peak]

was it a problem? no, but wotc's decisions on commander have never been consistent

[inland folio]

i mean does it matter

i cant imagine cedh has crazy meta diversity

[glad peak]

cedh has surprisingly crazy meta diversity

[sleek ferry]

Cedh is a brewer’s paradise

Wincons might be standardized for some colors/decks, but you can go wild with your 99

[glad peak]

individual cards are so good nowadays that any strategy has an option and a lot of the wins generally come from yapping about cards rather than cards themselves

[knotty ferry]

Wait

The commander counts towards the 100?

[glad peak]

waiting

[knotty ferry]

I thought it was 100+commander

Lol

[sleek ferry]

It’s your 100th card yes

[inland folio]

yeah i was gonna say, i feel like the actual wincons and commanders wouldve been optimized

[sleek ferry]

Or your 1st

[knotty ferry]

Your 100th, my first

[sleek ferry]

Whichever way you want to look at

[inland folio]

i can see why this dude is banned

its just because he can be a commander right

[glad peak]

actual wincons? yes, but there are still tons of pivots and decks that only have specific wincons due to the commander and command zone

[glad peak]

yep, "banned as commander" got banned so he just got banned

[sleek ferry]

There’s also bad win cons that show up from time to time, like [[worldgorger dragon]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/148/worldgorger-dragon

Worldgorger Dragon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Nightmare Dragon
Flying, trample
When this creature enters, exile all other permanents you control.
When this creature leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owners' control.
7/7

[inland folio]

so is it like, you blink this guy a bunch

[glad peak]

nope

[inland folio]

it says all other permanents so i assume you can just float the mana each time hed delete ur lands

[glad peak]

it's a 1 card combo with this in the grave and you casting something like [[animate dead]] on it

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https://scryfall.com/card/soc/207/animate-dead

Animate Dead <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

[sleek ferry]

This is more or less correct yeah

[glad peak]

when the dragon enters, animate dead and all your stuff gets exiled, dragon dies, then animate dead and the rest comes back, which reanimates your dragon

[inland folio]

yeah but nothing is happening there

you need an actual outlet

[glad peak]

nah you get infinite mana

[inland folio]

yes thats my point

but you need something to do with infinite mana

[glad peak]

there's also enough lands that mill or deal damage as an activated ability

but also commanders are your outlet a lot of times

[inland folio]

oh thats why its 1 card combo

cause the commander u always have

[sleek ferry]

Lumrra wins a similar way, except it’s not as bad as this

[inland folio]

[[lumrra]]

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No card found for “lumrra”

[inland folio]

so wait thugs why didnt you put me on this guy

this is my kind of shenanigans

[glad peak]

this combo's most well known for playing with [[anje falk]] which also lets you draw and discard until you have whatever outlet you want

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/37/anje-falkenrath

Anje Falkenrath <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire
Haste
, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Whenever you discard a card, if it has madness, untap Anje Falkenrath.
"We all hide a little madness behind our sophistication, do we not?"
1/3

[sleek ferry]

[[lumra bellow of the woods]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/183/lumra-bellow-of-the-woods

Lumra, Bellow of the Woods <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Bear
Vigilance, reach
Lumra's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
When Lumra enters, mill four cards. Then return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
*/*

[glad peak]

lumras a fun deck, i prefer minstrel to my detriment

[sleek ferry]

Minstrel seems to be the go to land deck in cedh nowadays tbf

But i like lumra way better

[inland folio]

[[minstrel]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/249/the-wandering-minstrel

The Wandering Minstrel <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Bard
Lands you control enter untapped.
The Minstrel's Ballad — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control five or more Towns, create a 2/2 Elemental creature token that's all colors.
: Other creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Towns you control.
1/3

[sleek ferry]

Just because mono green is not something you see often

[glad peak]

neither are played too much, i heard more about korvold for lands specifically nowadays

[inland folio]

[[korvold]]

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Multiple cards match “korvold”, can you be more specific?

[sleek ferry]

Minstrel just won a major tourney recently

[knotty ferry]

[[korvold fae cursed]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/120/korvold-fae-cursed-king

Korvold, Fae-Cursed King <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Noble
Flying
Whenever Korvold enters or attacks, sacrifice another permanent.
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, put a +1/+1 counter on Korvold and draw a card.
Transformed at his own wedding, he promptly ate the banquet, the gifts, and the guests.
4/4

[knotty ferry]

This?

I saw this in a video

[sleek ferry]

Korvold is a staple high powered commander

[inland folio]

idg a lot of these cards

[knotty ferry]

This card seems good

Easy to build around

What's there to get

[glad peak]

oh yeah minstrel won an event recently

i always thought that was a tiny tournament, i think i misread the player count

[sleek ferry]

Just watch play to win videos, they do a good job of explaining their plays/thought process. Though I will say, sometimes they both troll https://youtu.be/MSCwzg8iufE?si=319FmRSUwJpH43Q8

[glad peak]

oh yep i missed a 0 at the end there

don't watch specifically that video though, ben bateman brought a mid deck thinking it was cedh and basically isn't a player here

lmao wut

there was also an event i know about where a team decided to all play cabbage man and one of them ended up winning

[sudden lava]

The real comedy would be if the SL tomorrow is an Universes Beyond SL drop for the new game like the headline monster of the franchise gets made into a Magic card

[glad peak]

i remember there was news of a new game, what was it again?

oh wait, it was supposed to be playable at magiccon, forgor

[knotty ferry]

[[cabbage man]]

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No card found for “cabbage man”

[knotty ferry]

This?

Bro it's crazy you can make a food deck

[glad peak]

that's not the reason this guy is potentially good

this guy just says that every 2 times an opponent casts a spell, make an arcane signet and only sac your signet if someone deals combat damage to you, which is a lot more rare

[knotty ferry]

Well that is pretty good

[tardy echo]

Remember when a 3 mana planeswalker had 4 loyalty and could +2 to create a food token?

[stark skiff]

Farewell

[subtle sierra]

honse

[knotty ferry]

True

Thank you Adam-san

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry

[stark skiff]

Locke is nice af but you need the chocobo foil

[knotty ferry]

Wait so

My commander

Once I cast it and it's on the field

It's just a normal creature right

When it dies, it goes to gy?

It doesn't go back to the command zone right

[sleek ferry]

Anytime a commander leaves the battlefield, you have the option to put it back in the command zone. If you do, it costs 2 more mana everytime to cast your commander from the command zone

[knotty ferry]

Oh

Wtf

I didn't even know that was a thing

Is there a video/article on commander-specific rules

[sleek ferry]

Also, if any single commander deals 21 damage to you in a commander game, you lose the game

[knotty ferry]

You made that up

Wtf

In one instance, or can it happen over time?

[sleek ferry]

It can happen over time

[knotty ferry]

So you have to keep track of life and how much each commander has done to you?

I just sleeved up my deck

[sleek ferry]

@knotty ferry https://youtu.be/eaNjXcAqCAY?si=RobQ_gKs-IeQr8vv

[knotty ferry]

Ty

Also can you cast instant/flash during any player's turn?

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[knotty ferry]

Interesting

K fuck it I sleeved up imma go today

[sleek ferry]

Good luck trying to shuffle

I also hope you didn’t double sleeve

[knotty ferry]

I didn't for now

But I'm using art sleeves, so I might have to

Eventually

[sleek ferry]

You using tidus or yuna as your face commander?

[knotty ferry]

Tidus, why?

[[Yuna grand summoner]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/pw25/16/yuna-grand-summoner

Yuna, Grand Summoner <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Grand Summon — : Add one mana of any color. When you next cast a creature spell this turn, that creature enters with two additional +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever another permanent you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had one or more counters on it, you may put that number of +1/+1 counters on target creature.
1/5

[knotty ferry]

Wait this is like that one guy

Uhhh

White bat

Dies gives something else its counters

I'll stick with tidus I guess

But I can try Yuna next

[sleek ferry]

@glad peak am I missing any token good stuff for my high powered hazel deck besides cabbage man?

[knotty ferry]

Ok I just played my first game, 3 players @sleek ferry

I'm about to play with 4

[sleek ferry]

How was it

[knotty ferry]

Idk how ppl play this shit lmao I have an urge to read every card and that's just not possible

This guy played a reanimator deck and I wanted to read every card in his gy

Keeping track of everything is so hard

[sleek ferry]

You could always just ask “anything relevant we should know about in grave?”

But yeah, keeping track of everything is a lot

[knotty ferry]

Ig but what if there's some important keywords

Or even if it's not relevant now, it could be on a later turn

[glad peak]

yes but i don't know your list

[sleek ferry]

I’m assuming that guy won?

[sleek ferry]

Just give me general cards, I’m still upgrading it from its precon

I made some additions, but not many

[glad peak]

what do you already have?

[sleek ferry]

Esika’s chariot, peregrine took, Ygra, scute swarm, spring heart nantuko, Warren soul trader

[inland folio]

[[wheel of fortune]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/192/wheel-of-fortune

Wheel of Fortune <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws seven cards.

[inland folio]

anything based around either dumping your hand and then refilling with this type of effect to try and overwhelm with card advantage while having potential distruption capability

or like, just using this to dump 6 cards in gy and drawing a reanimation piece

[glad peak]

Thank you, let me find my dozens of cash moneys to buy that for my black green deck

[glad peak]

I’ll write some out later, you want chatterfang, the partner commander that turns tokens into dorks, academy manufacture, nuka cola whatever, and so on

[sleek ferry]

Oh I also added [[twitching doll]] and [[mutagen man]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/201/twitching-doll

Twitching Doll <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact Creature — Spider Toy
: Add one mana of any color. Put a nest counter on this creature.
, Sacrifice this creature: Create a 2/2 green Spider creature token with reach for each counter on this creature. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/ttmt/9/mutagen

Mutagen

Token Artifact — Mutagen
, , Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.

[glad peak]

Sort of, not really

It’s only good in super high level where you can dump your hand and play this turn 1

There’s also the usage with it and breach

[inland folio]

well id assume this typ eof effect is good with breach/past in flames

[glad peak]

But any other use of it is pretty mid - actively bad

[inland folio]

but those also just seem good with mill in general

[glad peak]

Nope, it’s bad with pif too

It’s only good with breach if you have lion’s eye diamond

[sleek ferry]

If you want a cool one [[flubs, the fool]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blc/356/flubs-the-fool

Flubs, the Fool <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Frog Scout
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card if you have no cards in hand. Otherwise, discard a card.
He knows exactly where he's going and exactly how he isn't getting there.
0/5

[glad peak]

And even then it’s not something you actively want to do, you do that combo because you ran out of other options

[inland folio]

i mean the appeal of wheel for me is that im drawing 7

[glad peak]

It’s also bad in a mill deck unless your opponents have less than 7 cards in deck

[inland folio]

instead of 1

flubs is like close tho

i assume hes nutty with quantum diddler

[glad peak]

Nah you don’t run flubs with diddler either, that’s a nonbo

[inland folio]

idk what the point of this card is then

[past socket]

Since you’re wanting to get through your deck as I understand the silly frogge

[glad peak]

Think of it this way: you draw 7 but all of your opponents get 7 cards for free too

[inland folio]

yeah but im going +6 and theyre going +0

so idc

[glad peak]

Nope, theyre going +21 you’re going +6

[inland folio]

i dont agree with that assesement

[glad peak]

You don’t have to agree with it but that’s how commander is

Again, unless you’re specifically wheeling turn 1 seat 1

In which case that’s correct

[sleek ferry]

You’re giving your opponents 21 new cards which means 21 new chances to draw into interaction

[inland folio]

idc tho

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

unless its some kind of mirror

[glad peak]

Almost all decks use the graveyard

And if you present a threat from your grave with the wheel then you just gave your opponents 21 cards to stop you

[inland folio]

they had 21 cards to stop me before

[glad peak]

Depends on when you’re wheeling

But also that’s not true

[inland folio]

it is tho

[glad peak]

That’s like saying every turn at the end phase you should have 7 cards in hand

That’s just not how magic works

Again, wheeling on turn 1 as the first player after you dump your hand of mana rocks? Busted

Any other time? Mid

Scratch that, below mid

[trail anvil]

bruh do you think symmetrical advantage is good in other card games too

[inland folio]

idt this is symmetrical

in any real game state

[trail anvil]

making each opponent draw 7 cards is not a good thing unless you have a specific synergy with it

it very literally is symmetrical, they might be getting better or worse cards but they're seeing the same amount

[glad peak]

You’re right, it benefits your opponent more

[inland folio]

its symetrical in only the basest sense

[glad peak]

You just wasted 3 mana to give a full grip gg chucklenuts

[inland folio]

but it isnt symettrical in practicality

[trail anvil]

is your argument that you get to choose when to wheel and they don't

you're down 3 mana and the first person to untap with those cards is the next player

[inland folio]

somewhat, but i think its just likely to be as disadvantagous to someone by sniping some key piece by accident as it is that i spinned someone into a win

[glad peak]

Correct, it’s not symmetrical, you lose 3 mana for the benefit of you being the first person to eat all of the other’s interaction

[inland folio]

why would i eat the interaction

[glad peak]

No one keeps key pieces in hand, it’s always on field or grave

[inland folio]

and not them fighting amongst themselves

[glad peak]

You’re just gonna wheel and pass with no other actions?

[trail anvil]

even [[windfall]] is more asymmetrical if you wanna go for an asymmetrical wheel

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/123/windfall

Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"Rich" is a relative term.

[trail anvil]

punish the player with a full grip and refill your hand

you wanna use wheel of fortune when you have some other synergy like nekusaur or narset to prevent them from drawing

[glad peak]

Orcish bowmasters now shake my hand

[inland folio]

i mean yes thats the plan

and what im asking about

its also what i mean with the effect will never be symetrical in practicality

[trail anvil]

then you're making it asymmetrical, that's not wheel being asymmetrical on its own lol

[inland folio]

if ur just ripping it raw i will admit its complete dogass

probably

[inland folio]

why would i use a card in a deck that doesnt synergize with it tho

[glad peak]

Lots of decks do

[inland folio]

i like cards that are the worst thing ever in a vacuum and then broken in practical games

which is what drew me to the idea

[glad peak]

Decks that try to win turn 1 or 2 play it with no synergy always

Also it’s not a bad card in a vacuum, it’s more often a bad card in practice

It’s a great card in a vacuum

[inland folio]

in a vacuum its +21 for my opps

as you said

[trail anvil]

which is true

[glad peak]

No in a vacuum it’s you dump your hand and draw 7

[inland folio]

vacuums also account for downsides

[trail anvil]

I'm sorry this arose cause of flubs?

[inland folio]

no i just asked about wheel

cause i saw the card and it looked cool

[glad peak]

It doesn’t account for opponents tho

[trail anvil]

okay

[inland folio]

so thugs showed off flubs

and i was like

this draws too little

[trail anvil]

uh

as a commander?

[glad peak]

Flubs consistently draws more than wheel

[inland folio]

im okay with combo decks that win by flipping the top card 50 times

but i dont like it when its the flubs way

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

i like it when you cast draw 7 into draw 7

[glad peak]

What deck are you trying to make

[inland folio]

not draw 1 into draw 1

[inland folio]

if i knew why would i be asking

[trail anvil]

so xyris?

[inland folio]

[[xyris]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm

Xyris, the Writhing Storm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Snake Leviathan
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, create a 1/1 green Snake creature token.
Whenever Xyris deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
3/5

[trail anvil]

that's one of the few decks that actually wants to wheel

[sudden lava]

yup
(most lifetrackers for commander have a button for this)

Heck there is an archetype based around commander damage

[glad peak]

There’s a card that forces anyone to draw 7 every time they cast a spell

[inland folio]

whats tic alled

[trail anvil]

[[forced fruition]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[sudden lava]

Voltron is a commander archetype where you take your commander, power it up with auras or equipment (or counters) and throw it at the opponent's face

[inland folio]

this isnt anyone

bro had me intrigued and then killed me

[glad peak]

It is anyone if that person is the one who casts it

[trail anvil]

use [[fractured identity]] on it if you want to draw 21 🙂

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https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity

Fractured Identity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target nonland permanent. Each player other than its controller creates a token that's a copy of it.
Self-reflection is not without its perils.

[inland folio]

doesnt that make everyone draw 21

well ig they draw 14

[trail anvil]

no that makes you draw 21 and everyone else draw 14

[inland folio]

and i draw 21

yeah

i feel like thats too easy to deck out from

[trail anvil]

do you actually just want to draw a lot of cards

[[queza, augur of agonies]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies

Queza, Augur of Agonies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Octopus Advisor
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
Some try to unravel the tangled skeins of fate. She reweaves them to her own deadly design.
3/4

[inland folio]

well i cant draw 120

or can u draw 1 million and then kill everyone before deckout

[trail anvil]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3A"legendary+creature"+o%3A"whenever+you+draw"+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name in fact here, enjoy

[sleek ferry]

During that stint that people played sheoldred in cedh, it was legit to punish all the draw power between rhystic, mystic remora and all the wheels

[glad peak]

By that logic we should be seeing her in cedh more now

[inland folio]

is there like any kind of combo stun deck

[glad peak]

I’m actually pretty confused at the lack of orcish in the current meta

[sleek ferry]

Nah, Bowmasters got worse

[glad peak]

Combo stun where?

What level are you looking to play

[inland folio]

whatever works

:)

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

idt stun is allowed in low brackets tho no?

[glad peak]

It is

[inland folio]

huh interesting

[glad peak]

It’s also bad in high brackets

[trail anvil]

depends on what you're using

[fallow citrus]

wouldnt that just be urza

[inland folio]

which one

[fallow citrus]

[[urza high lord artificer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/130/urza-lord-high-artificer

Urza, Lord High Artificer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add .
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4

[trail anvil]

you can just winter orb if you want yeah

[glad peak]

Winter orb and stuff aren’t allowed in low brackets yep

But lantern control type decks are allowed there

[inland folio]

well either actual stun or something that makes it hard to push for a proactive win ie that black red guy who full discards all hands each ep

[sleek ferry]

What’s the one legendary from SNC that all the Timmies freaked out about

Costs like 7 mana

[inland folio]

but like not stun in a waste peoples time way

[glad peak]

Dunno, I don’t retain bad cards in my memory

I just remember people getting freaked out about it

[trail anvil]

xander?

[glad peak]

And that it’s grixis

[inland folio]

like stun in a win proactively way

which is why i said combo stun

[trail anvil]

what does that mean

[glad peak]

Yeah what

I’m confused more now

[sleek ferry]

[[lord Xander the collector]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/197/lord-xander-the-collector

Lord Xander, the Collector <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Demon Noble
When Lord Xander enters, target opponent discards half the cards in their hand, rounded down.
Whenever Lord Xander attacks, defending player mills half their library, rounded down.
When Lord Xander dies, target opponent sacrifices half the nonland permanents they control of their choice, rounded down.
6/6

[trail anvil]

like introduce a downside your deck doesn't suffer from?

[inland folio]

a stun deck thats also a combo deck

[fallow citrus]

yeah so urza

[inland folio]

kinda, i just mean i dont like stun where u kinda just ns a guy and do nothing but slow the game down for 20 turns without actually trying to win

[fallow citrus]

you just sit on winter orb and then tap it yourself and win when you have your pieces

[trail anvil]

[[yisan the wanderer bard]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/334/yisan-the-wanderer-bard

Yisan, the Wanderer Bard <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue Bard
, , Put a verse counter on Yisan: Search your library for a creature card with mana value equal to the number of verse counters on Yisan, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
2/3

[inland folio]

yeah something like this

[sleek ferry]

What’s the boar from zendikar, that was both a stax piece and ramp

[inland folio]

or as komi said just stun pieces that dont affect me

i heard that artifact vehicle guy is good for soemthing like this

you just never station it

[fallow citrus]

yisharn

[inland folio]

and play a bunch of anti creature cards

[fallow citrus]

[[yisharn, the implacable]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “yisharn, the implacable”

[fallow citrus]

fuck not its name

[glad peak]

Shorikai humility

[trail anvil]

you probably wanna play bracket 4 or 5 then

[fallow citrus]

[[yisharn]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “yisharn”

[trail anvil]

yasharn

[sleek ferry]

[[yasharn]{

[fallow citrus]

[glad peak]

[[shorikai]] [[humility]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nec/4/shorikai-genesis-engine

Shorikai, Genesis Engine <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
, : Draw two cards, then discard a card. Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This token crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 8 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 8 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
8/8

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility

Humility <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
All creatures lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 1/1.
"One cannot cleanse the wounds of failure." —Karn, silver golem

[sleek ferry]

[[yasharn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/znr/240/yasharn-implacable-earth

Yasharn, Implacable Earth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Boar
When Yasharn enters, search your library for a basic Forest card and a basic Plains card, reveal those cards, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
Players can't pay life or sacrifice nonland permanents to cast spells or activate abilities.
In its hoofprints, barren dust becomes fertile ground.
4/4

[glad peak]

Bracket 4 is where you want to be

You’ll just be bullied out of bracket 5

[inland folio]

yeah idt id wanna play cedh

or bracket 1

those are like my 2 no gos

[glad peak]

Bracket 4 is where you find the cedh wannabes and the bad players

It’s also where you find the most angry players

[trail anvil]

you can search for ideas for each bracket on edhrec too

[inland folio]

well i dont wanna have a bad play experience i jusr wanna play fun cards

without getting a side eye

[glad peak]

Play cedh then

[inland folio]

didnt you just say cedh isnt what i want

[glad peak]

Cedh has a bad rep but is the most chill with the best cards

[inland folio]

isnt it full of politicing tho

[glad peak]

I said cedh isnt what you want because your deck will be a lot worse than any other bracket

Not really

Only when there’s critical game moments

[inland folio]

[[the worldseed]

this is the stun deck i was shown

[glad peak]

It’s more like we can all see the problem, what can you do to stop it

[trail anvil]

that's tedh

[inland folio]

[[the worldseed]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/1/hearthhull-the-worldseed

Hearthhull, the Worldseed <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 8+.)
2+ | , , Sacrifice a land: Draw two cards. You may play an additional land this turn.
8+ | Flying, vigilance, haste
Whenever you sacrifice a land, each opponent loses 2 life.
6/7

[inland folio]

you just never station 8 apparently

[glad peak]

This is usually the extent of politics in cedh

[inland folio]

get to 2 and then chill

play some stun pieces

draw into some combo

kill people

[glad peak]

If the stun pieces you’re playing don’t effect lands (you don’t want to hit land with worldseed) then lower brackets is fine

[inland folio]

play a lot of board wipes since ur very very creature light

[inland folio]

well im not saying play blood moon im just saying slow the game down

[glad peak]

You’re also missing the best color for that, which is white

You just said stun pieces, of course you should hit lands

[inland folio]

well id assume blue white are the 2 best colors for what id want

[glad peak]

Play shorikai with humility

[inland folio]

well no duh but i didnt mean in the ygo way

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

ygo way meaning my opp physically cant do anything

[glad peak]

That’s what stun is in magic too

[inland folio]

i thought stun in mtg was like

[glad peak]

It’s just called stax

[inland folio]

they can play but its super painful

[glad peak]

No that’s something entirely different and doesn’t stop people from doing things

That’s group slug

[inland folio]

whats group slug

[glad peak]

You play things that say “when a player does X, deal 1 damage to them”

[inland folio]

this sounds like a deck that doesnt meaninfully want to advance the gamestate

just annoy people

[glad peak]

That is

[inland folio]

it is?

[glad peak]

What do you want

It is

Say you have 3 nonland permanents on the field, what effects should they have

[inland folio]

depends on what my opps have

a toolbox basically

like theres 3 types of decks i really like

realistically ill play any functional deck in existence and like it

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

but theres specific archetypes i prefer

[glad peak]

I’m talking about this specific deck type you have in your head

[inland folio]

well i can show you a deck from a diff card game

to give u an idea

[glad peak]

It might help

[fallow citrus]

maybe Oswald Fiddlebender might be a good pick for this too

[glad peak]

But if you do stun from yugioh it’s stax, which does hit lands

Fiddlebender’s an option

[fallow citrus]

basically white urza if you boil it down to fundementals

[glad peak]

Do you just want to play boardwipe tribal with a combo finish

In lower brackets it’s the best way to slow down the game

[inland folio]

nah humility is technically the perfect card

for what im envisioning

[[humility]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility

Humility <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
All creatures lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 1/1.
"One cannot cleanse the wounds of failure." —Karn, silver golem

[inland folio]

yeah this car

[glad peak]

Show me the other game’s list

[golden plover]

Alright built a dumb commander deck, need y'all's opinions

[glad peak]

And what game is it

[golden plover]

https://moxfield.com/decks/A1kLYeCid0mZbRwsdG1wbg

[inland folio]

hearhtstone

im trying to make a deck image

with the bot

but ig its down

[golden plover]

The sideboard is "cards she can manifest with her -X that I might actually play"

[glad peak]

I built Mardu enchantress where the goal is to get drannith magistrate and possibility storm on field asap

[golden plover]

I learned that unfortunately I'm not allowed to declare [[Teferi Akosa of Zhalfir]] off her, since it'll come in on the front side

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/239/invasion-of-new-phyrexia-teferi-akosa-of-zhalfir

Invasion of New Phyrexia <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, create X 2/2 white and blue Knight creature tokens with vigilance.
Defense: 6

Teferi Akosa of Zhalfir
Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
+1: Draw two cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard a creature card.
−2: You get an emblem with "Knights you control get +1/+0 and have ward ."
−3: Tap any number of untapped creatures you control. When you do, shuffle target nonland permanent an opponent controls with mana value X or less into its owner's library, where X is the number of creatures tapped this way.
Loyalty: 4

[inland folio]

just search up hostahe mage online ig

and pick one of the older vids

[sleek ferry]

[[collector ouphe]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/158/collector-ouphe

Collector Ouphe <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ouphe
Activated abilities of artifacts can't be activated.
"He steals power from treasure after treasure, and what does it do for the ouphe? Nothing." —Jhoira
2/2

[inland folio]

https://youtu.be/DlvhESjt7NY?si=slVh4PpNTi48B8Xi

this should be fine

https://youtu.be/GXct771FV2c?si=AVUeLzSfkNU7BfsJ

the alternative type of deck i like to play is this

but this is basically just omniscience

just need to be more creative

since ur cards cost 1 instead of 0

[sleek ferry]

[[kinnan prodigy]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/192/kinnan-bonder-prodigy

Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana, add one mana of any type that permanent produced.
: Look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a non-Human creature card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
2/2

[sleek ferry]

If you wanted to play stax, there’s also [[winota]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/216/winota-joiner-of-forces

Winota, Joiner of Forces <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a non-Human creature you control attacks, look at the top six cards of your library. You may put a Human creature card from among them onto the battlefield tapped and attacking. It gains indestructible until end of turn. Put the rest of the cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.
4/4

[glad peak]

Hostage mage is just a really bad form of control

It’s not stax at all

[inland folio]

its closer to stax than control idk

which is why i said humility is perfect

[sleek ferry]

Looks like a combo deck to me

[inland folio]

it is a combo deck

which is why i said combo stun

its both

that intersection specifically tickles my fancy

i dont like stun otherwise

[glad peak]

It’s a combo where all you do is gain life and clog the opponent’s board with 1/1s, which isnt a mechanic magic has

So the analogue would be board wipes

[inland folio]

no u win eventually by dealing infinite damage

by making infinite copies of romnath

and romnath also just recasts all the spells that say u cant die

[glad peak]

The win condition we can talk about later because magic has infinite ways to do that

[inland folio]

also the reason i said stax over boardwipes is bc the class has actual boardwipes

[sleek ferry]

[[heliod the radiant dawn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse

Heliod, the Radiant Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

[inland folio]

like u can do this deck with 70 boardwipes if u wanted

its just worse

and i like not boardwiping

[glad peak]

Yeah, I’m saying the analogue is board wipes because magic doesn’t have a hard creature board limit that the deck benefits greatly from

[inland folio]

which is why i said humility is the closest analogue

[glad peak]

That’s one of them

[inland folio]

humility stops etbs right

[glad peak]

Yep

[inland folio]

then yeah a deck around thay type of plan

[glad peak]

There’s only 1 card of that type

[inland folio]

are there no similar cards

[glad peak]

There’s temporary versions of it

But none that do both effects

[inland folio]

making everything enter tapped and not be able to be untapped would also work for me

or just the second part even

[glad peak]

That’s stuff like winter orb

[inland folio]

well eyah winter orb is perfect but u guys said it was banned no?

[glad peak]

Oh wait you can play stasis

[inland folio]

like to be clear i never want to clear anything

i just want all ur cards to be useless

[glad peak]

Not banned, just not allowed in brackets 3 and below

[inland folio]

like i dont wanna nuke lands

but making them not be able to be untapped is cool with me

[glad peak]

Then you don’t want play winter orb?

[inland folio]

[[winter orb]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as this artifact is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[glad peak]

Bracket 4+ is all you can do

[inland folio]

no this is good

i said no land destruction

[sleek ferry]

[[trinisphere]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/303/trinisphere

Trinisphere <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
As long as this artifact is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to cast costs three mana to cast. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost to cast costs to cast instead.)

[inland folio]

i want to play 0 removal

[glad peak]

Blood moon isnt nuking lands

[inland folio]

yeah that would work too

[inland folio]

which is why i said stun

[glad peak]

You just told me no blood moon tho

[inland folio]

did I

it mightve been more of powerlevel concern then

[glad peak]

Yes

[inland folio]

since i do still want to play vs humans

no use salivating over a deck no one will play vs

[inland folio]

mb

[glad peak]

Bracket 4 hell it is for you

[knotty ferry]

I got 3rd in the 4 player game

[inland folio]

gz bro

[knotty ferry]

I kept forgetting my commander goes back to my zone

[glad peak]

You’re gonna want some water for the salt you’re gonna experience

[knotty ferry]

I had a huge tidus I couldve used to trade but I kept holding back bc I thought I don't want to lose it lol

I get the appeal of commander but not being able to track everything pisses me off

Like the guy diagonally was so far away I couldn't read his cards

[glad peak]

Oh right the comment you’re gonna hear all day if you play that deck: “I thought we weren’t playing cedh”

The deck isnt cedh

[inland folio]

whats the difference between what i want and cedh

[knotty ferry]

Playing without knowing exactly what every card in play does is so annoying

[inland folio]

playing actual boardwipes?

[glad peak]

Cedh plays a whole lot more interaction on the stack

Think of it as uhhhh

[inland folio]

i mean im fine with interacting

[knotty ferry]

Someone activated the youtuber card and it got countered within half a second, it was insane

[rigid scarab]

Dont let mudkip be the guy to intro you to edh

[glad peak]

Every card is a secret that can proc

[inland folio]

one of hostages side wincons is looping either of these cards

im very cool with interacting marginally

[glad peak]

Guy wants to stax out a table and not interact much, I’m the guy he should go to

[inland folio]

if i can floodgate while interacting thats even better

make it so you cant remove my floods

[rigid scarab]

Consider the fact there's been a massive rise in pro-stax edh youtubers

And popular youtubers advocating for a thing's acceptance means the public will be more accepting of the thing

[knotty ferry]

Also the card pool is just so massive it's not even like I know what most of the cards do

Someone dropped a deceit and I was so happy cause I didn't need to read it

[rigid scarab]

That's part of the fun/distaste of edh

You'll encounter cards you've never seen before

[knotty ferry]

I can see how it's enjoyable if you play with friends but it's just weird to me

Like legit my #1 thing is that I can't read every card

That's actually my only major gripe

[glad peak]

[[grand augustin iv]] or shorikai with stax pieces

[rigid scarab]

Unironically cedh is a format where you don't have to read new cards

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
Blue spells you cast cost less to cast.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
The Arbiter is a conduit of justice, a will so disciplined that it dispenses justice without ego or remorse.
2/3

[rigid scarab]

Since it's revolving around an actual metagame

[knotty ferry]

I need to read every land and everything milled and everything revealed, EVERYTHING, or I can't play without it bothering me

[glad peak]

There are the options for you @inland folio

[inland folio]

theres nothing else?

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry

[inland folio]

im fien with any color combo

[glad peak]

There are but these are the ones that are gonna fit all of your criteria

Urza fits too I guess

For cedh lumra fits

Fiddlebender is low/no interaction stax that tries to get combo too

[inland folio]

i mean even tho humility is perfect im fine with looking at other color combos that may have interesting pieces

ur the expert here

im not afraid of experimenting

[glad peak]

Magda’s a weird one, doesn’t have humility and really mostly targets lands to slow people down and tries to turbo a win but is technically an option too

[inland folio]

[[magda]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “magda”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

[[magda, brazen]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/142/magda-brazen-outlaw

Magda, Brazen Outlaw <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Berserker
Other Dwarves you control get +1/+0.
Whenever a Dwarf you control becomes tapped, create a Treasure token.
Sacrifice five Treasures: Search your library for an artifact or Dragon card, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
2/1

[inland folio]

are there a lot of red artifacts that blow up lands or something

blood moon is an enchantment right

[sleek ferry]

They don’t have to be red

[inland folio]

[[blood moon]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon

Blood Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Heavy light flooded across the landscape, cloaking everything in deep crimson.

[glad peak]

She can tutor for things that makes things tapped on people’s upkeeps or makes things more expensive or stuff

[inland folio]

i didnt know red could do that

[glad peak]

It’s mostly just artifacts

[inland folio]

ik white has a lot of it

with that one one drop

and a bunch of different cards named thalia

[glad peak]

[[tangle wire]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nem/139/tangle-wire

Tangle Wire <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Fading 4 (This artifact enters with four fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player taps an untapped artifact, creature, or land they control for each fade counter on this artifact.

[inland folio]

so wait how does this work

[glad peak]

Fun bit about Magda: you want to play [[clown car]] with her

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/unf/186/clown-car

Clown Car <:manax:292901509082120202>

Artifact — Vehicle
When this Vehicle enters, roll X six-sided dice. For each odd result, create a 1/1 white Clown Robot artifact creature token. For each even result, put a +1/+1 counter on this Vehicle.
Crew 2
It runs on laughing gas.
1/1

[inland folio]

??

tf

what a card

[glad peak]

On the opponent’s turn they untap then have to tap X permanents, where X is the number of fading counters you have. On your turn you do the same but remove a fading counter

[inland folio]

like if i have a single artifact thats untapped, can i tap it before tangle wire

happens

for its own effect

[glad peak]

It’s after the untap step

Yep

[inland folio]

isnt that kinda bad for me

[glad peak]

You have to tap 1 more thing if you do though

[inland folio]

or does it just not matter most of the tiem

[glad peak]

It doesn’t really matter

If they tap mana then mana disappears before their main phase

[inland folio]

well im saying tap everything before you resolve tangle wire

[inland folio]

i keep forgetting this ahppens

i see now

[glad peak]

Yeah, them doing that is great for you

[inland folio]

im the kinda guy whod do that and then wonder why i have no mana in mp

[[winter orb]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as this artifact is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[inland folio]

oh that tangle wire card is pretty funny with this

[glad peak]

Sort of

Most times you just run [[winter moon]] but that’s niche still

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/213/winter-moon

Winter Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Players can't untap more than one nonbasic land during their untap steps.
"The sun and moon have decided to make a competition of our misery." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[inland folio]

is the untap step after upkeep

or before

[glad peak]

Nope

Before

[sleek ferry]

You should have told Yuni to play Deadpool

Now that’s a funny commander

[inland folio]

im tyring to understand this interaction

[glad peak]

Deadpool’s funny but I find it funnier if you play Deadpool as a win con

[inland folio]

so u dont get to untap all ur lands if u tap it with tangle wire right

[glad peak]

Yep

[inland folio]

ok i see now

[glad peak]

Untap then upkeep then draw

[inland folio]

ic ic

shame

but its fine

[inland folio]

i mean im fine with it being a stax deck that wins with the commander

the commander doesnt ened to be a stax or value piece on top

[[deadpool]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1753/deadpool-trading-card

Deadpool, Trading Card <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Mercenary Hero
As Deadpool enters, you may exchange his text box and another creature's.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 3 life.
, Sacrifice this creature: Each other player draws a card.
"Draw me like one of your French cards."
5/3

[inland folio]

what does it mean by another creatures

like on the field?

or do i just name any mtg card

[glad peak]

Deadpool isnt a stax deck, it’s a balls to the wall combo deck

You choose a creature on field and swap text boxes with them

The reason why it’s a balls to the wall combo deck is because you try to figure out a way to infinite mana then play him and sac him over and over and over again

Red and black don’t really have many good pieces for stax if they can’t tutor for it

[knotty ferry]

Ngl I'd play the fuck out of digital commander

[tardy echo]

U have brawl

It’s actually a p fun format

[knotty ferry]

Troll format

[tardy echo]

And commander isn’t?

[knotty ferry]

4 players is lowkey kinda lit

[sleek ferry]

4 players > 1 on 1 singleton

There’s a reason why Canadian highlander is Canadian

[knotty ferry]

Legit my biggest problem is being unable to keep track of everything

Digital would fix that

[sleek ferry]

Like sickle said though, there is def fun in seeing new cards

[knotty ferry]

Yeah, I just want to be able to know what they do at all times

When the guy is diagonal from me I don't want to have to keep asking to read the cards

I guess people don't mind but it's still very inconvenient

[sleek ferry]

@knotty ferry some of the brews players were considering for the PT came out

[knotty ferry]

What's up

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/lotuslore02/status/2049597780893827474?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Neil Estrada (@lotuslore02)

We tried some wild brews before the PT, one of my favorites was this Sultai control deck.
︀︀
︀︀Cease//Desist turns off their flow state, and enables yours with only one card! You also have so much life gain for withering curse.
︀︀
︀︀@HandshakeMTG @moxfieldmtg
︀︀moxfield.com/decks/heE5wZKkCUaIVdsoiuYNMg

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FxTwitter · Apr 29, 2026, 9:12 PM

[knotty ferry]

[[cease desist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/246/cease-desist

Cease <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabg:292901508863754241>

Instant
Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.

Desist
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.

[knotty ferry]

[[flow state]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/49/flow-state

Flow State <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. If there is an instant card and a sorcery card in your graveyard, instead put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/terribadmtg/status/2049594257179361539?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Karl Sarap (@terribadmtg)

The Pro Tour is going to be so fun, I have been drafting a lot!

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FxTwitter · Apr 29, 2026, 8:58 PM

[knotty ferry]

🤢

The cease desist control deck looks sick af

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/gregoriusil_/status/2049580369301876788?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Gregoriusil (@Gregoriusil_)

Submitted my decklist for PT Vegas. I hereby declare my unconditional love to Eddymurk Crab and Sunderflock.
︀︀
︀︀(Colorstorm Stallion in prowess is not real and it can't hurt me.)

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FxTwitter · Apr 29, 2026, 8:03 PM

[knotty ferry]

Decklists are public right

Open

When u play someone

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, that’s why you see people post it after they register

https://fxtwitter.com/gui_dukat/status/2049605125396726070?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Daniel Goetschel 🕊️ (@GuI_Dukat)

Registered a precon. I put my faith in the wotc play design to build my deck for me.
︀︀
︀︀This is also 36/38 same md spells as I regd last pt. -2 snare +1 combustion +1 monument since last time.
︀︀
︀︀Similar sb to
︀︀
︀︀-2 sear +2 barrage
︀︀-2 pyroclasm +2 slagstorm
︀︀-iroh +1 soul guide

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FxTwitter · Apr 29, 2026, 9:41 PM

[knotty ferry]

Btw is the YouTuber card actually broken in commander or is it just a noob stomper

Rhystic studies

[sleek ferry]

Rhystic study is the best card in commander

[knotty ferry]

Actually?

I mean it seems good obviously but idk if it was just a thing noobs got mad about

[twilit canyon]

its absolutely up there

[knotty ferry]

Daring today aren't we

[sleek ferry]

Let’s not lump lessons in with other izzet decks now

[glad peak]

Hes playing a precon, don’t get mad at him

[sleek ferry]

That deck is actually based

[glad peak]

Lessons are just like every other izzet deck

[golden plover]

Damn Cease is sick but you have to be playing Sultai to use it lol

[glad peak]

Based

Fel, reef, and emeritus beats as the only win cons are pretty funny

[tardy echo]

I think politics is the worst part of commander idk

[glad peak]

It is

[knotty ferry]

You love politics though

[tardy echo]

I’ve tried to play commander with some of the most truly abominable people I’ve ever met

[glad peak]

That doesn’t narrow the scope by much

[knotty ferry]

The people I played with were pretty nice

[tardy echo]

Small bean syndrome is truly just the most annoying thing ever

[knotty ferry]

Small bean...

[tardy echo]

Besides people who try to negotiate from a position of power like they’re god

[knotty ferry]

Like Jack and the beanstalk, thugs's favorite card

[tardy echo]

That’s possibly the most annoying type of commander player ever

[glad peak]

“I’m gonna smack you over and over again because you killed me last game. What do you mean you’re attacking me, I have no cards in hand! You’re being so mean”

[knotty ferry]

Bro I killed this guy's commander 3 times

It was so funny

Bro hard cast it for like 12 mana

[tardy echo]

Or “if you target any of my cards with anything I’m gonna counter it and then boardwipe you”
“wtf why are you all ganging up on me”

[glad peak]

“You’re being so mean, I thought we weren’t playing cedh”

[tardy echo]

2 types of small beans

[glad peak]

Tbh the least annoying players I’ve played against is unironically cedh

[knotty ferry]

That's crazy

I told them from minute 1 I want to be targeted

Don't go easy on me

[golden plover]

Hmm [[Hustle]] actually lets Izzet turn on flow state in one card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/249/hustle-bustle

Hustle <:manaur:292901509010817024>

Instant
Target creature attacks or blocks this turn if able.

Bustle
Sorcery
Creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn. You may turn a creature you control face up.

[glad peak]

Cedh politics turns into just “heres the problem, what can we do”

[knotty ferry]

Hustle and bustle ....

Holy

[glad peak]

Oh no, it’s counterplay to cease and desist

[golden plover]

[[Fuss]] does too but it's worse

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/248/fuss-bother

Fuss <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manarw:292901508834525190>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on each attacking creature you control.

Bother
Sorcery
Create three 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying. Surveil 2.

[inland folio]

cant you just cease and desist it

[[flow state]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/49/flow-state

Flow State <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. If there is an instant card and a sorcery card in your graveyard, instead put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[inland folio]

[[cease desist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/246/cease-desist

Cease <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabg:292901508863754241>

Instant
Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.

Desist
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.

[inland folio]

ig its easier to still resolve cease and desist with the thingy in gy

but its also a much simpler target

[glad peak]

You can but you can let cease resolve first, get your things in grave exiled, and while flow state is on stack you hustle them

And you get both modes

[golden plover]

You mean on the stack?

[glad peak]

Yep

[golden plover]

But yeah, honestly might be a worthwhile tech in Izzet to run Hustle to turn on flow state immediately

[inland folio]

i mean yeah that would work

hustle bustle seems weak tho

or am i crazy

[glad peak]

It is

[golden plover]

They can also force you into bad blocks with it

It's not great, but it's 1 mana "flow state draws 2"

[inland folio]

ig in spellementals u dont really care

[stark skiff]

lol prepare to be targeted like crazy if you wanna be that guy

[inland folio]

if u hustale a creature then eddymurk crab it it cant attack right

surely

[golden plover]

Izzet runs [[Academic Dispute]] in pioneer because it's passible and learns

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/91/academic-dispute

Academic Dispute <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature blocks this turn if able. You may have it gain reach until end of turn.
Learn. (You may reveal a Lesson card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand, or discard a card to draw a card.)
"I'll show you original research, you hack!"

[glad peak]

So you’re turning flow state into… 3 mana draw 2

[stark skiff]

No one likes the Azorious control that just slows the game down for no reason.

[inland folio]

im slowing it down so i can win

sigh

[golden plover]

But pioneer is a dead format and also learn is good

[golden plover]

Yeah that's how that works

But the real advantage is forcing a bad block

Or forcing them to kill a guy by throwing it at a crab

[glad peak]

You’re not supposed to try to go for a win, that’s against the spirit of the format

[stark skiff]

No just no one likes the player with the stun shit

[golden plover]

Say they've only got a badgermole cub or something down. Or they're holding back a creature that's better to keep on blocking

You could hustle it and force them to crash it into your horse/crab/whatever

It's not amazing but there's versatility in it

[glad peak]

Don’t worry, he already knows the risks, he wants it to be like hostage mage which is also a pretty hated deck

[golden plover]

Actually it can fuck over a green player hard

[glad peak]

Red blue, the deck with no answers to badgermole

[golden plover]

If they've got a llanowar, tifa, or Icetill they're saving for a combo turn you can make them lose into an otter token

[golden plover]

I mean it's not like Izzet is lacking answers yeah lol

Just saying there's potential in teching this for flow state

[inland folio]

also its okay if someone starts eyeing my floods with removal ill just accuse a random person of having a win in hand

if you stop my powerfull floods, we both lose!

now we dont want that do we!

so dont!

remove the other guys shit!

my winter orb is fair, and that other guys 1/1 is some heinous shit

[glad peak]

Wait I just realized, you shouldn’t do it for this reason because on an empty board cease nerfs flow even if you have hustle

[glad peak]

That… doesn’t work outside of cedh

[golden plover]

Yeah cease is better

[inland folio]

u said bracket 4

[golden plover]

But I'm not sure Izzet will pivot to Grixis or Temur

[inland folio]

or 5

[glad peak]

No I mean that line of reasoning doesn’t work outside of cedh

[golden plover]

Hustle is theoretically a way for Izzet to turn it on in one card

[sleek ferry]

I think we’ll see a lot of 4x duress/gruelclaw being mained at the PT.

[inland folio]

is cruelclaw that good?

[golden plover]

Yeah it's another format with a clear boogeyman

[inland folio]

always seemed like a giga neg card

[golden plover]

We're unfortunately gonna have to see a lot of main decked answers

[sleek ferry]

There’s actually a legit shot that izzet will be so hate boarded for that landfall might just win the PT tbh

[inland folio]

[[cruelcaw heist]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “cruelcaw heist”

[inland folio]

or do u mean a different card

[golden plover]

I also think there's gonna be a lot of maindecked copies of the Scooze Raccoon

[inland folio]

[[cruelclaw heist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/88/cruelclaws-heist

Cruelclaw's Heist <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. Exile that card. If the gift was promised, you may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it.

[inland folio]

do people just mc a bunch

and gift the card

or is that how ur actually supposed to play it

[sleek ferry]

I wouldn’t gift the card vs izzet tbh

[glad peak]

There’s a mc type deck in standard, yes

[golden plover]

Yeah against Izzet you don't gift

But against stuff like Jeskai Black you do

[inland folio]

no mc as in misclick

[glad peak]

Oh I thought you meant mind crush

[golden plover]

Depends on the matchup and if you want their top ends or not

Getting a Jeskai rev or even a lute is pretty cool

[inland folio]

well what do u mean by a mindcrush deck

[glad peak]

In standard there’s a deck based totally around discarding cards from the opponent’s hand and winning that way

It’s not very good

[sleek ferry]

We might see a Sultai list with 4x duress, 4x superior spider man 4x deceit, 3x cease and desist and professor at the PT

It will be an evolution of the reanimator decks that already had a decent matchup vs lessons

[inland folio]

isnt that the deck i told u i wanted to play

like sultai midrange

[golden plover]

Actually calling it now a non-izzet deck will win and we'll get 3 more months of "guys Izzet isn't that bad actually"

Something designed to fully play the field will take it

But it'll be like 5-6/8 Izzet in the top 8

[sleek ferry]

I mean, mtg pros are legitly better at dealing with boogeymans in formats than any other tcg

[golden plover]

For sure, but I think when there's a clear issue there's a clear issue too

[twilit canyon]

if izzet is this powerful and cant win this event then its not actually a good deck

[glad peak]

Wait we said that about badgermole

[inland folio]

thank you, izayoi sakuya

[twilit canyon]

true and badgermole is bad

[golden plover]

That's what happened twice with vivi lol

[sleek ferry]

Reminder that Vivi didn’t wint until legitly the last event before it got banned

[glad peak]

So izzet must be bad

[golden plover]

People kept saying "Vivi isn't that good" when the only decks that were winning were mono-red decks designed to beat Vivi

[twilit canyon]

yeah that tracks. vivi wasnt a good deck if it couldnt beat its counter deck

[glad peak]

That pro tour badgermole was good, idk what you mean

[sleek ferry]

Izzet will actually just never beat mono red in a bo5, assuming both players are of equal skill

[glad peak]

It almost got to the top

[sleek ferry]

Hence why Vivi struggled to win a PT

[golden plover]

Reminder said decks were mainboarding needleheads and magebane lizards lol

[sleek ferry]

Needle head was like a final evolution of mono red

Magebane was standard though

[glad peak]

So Vivi’s bad

[twilit canyon]

magebane is actually a good card

[sleek ferry]

Yeah magebane fucks

[inland folio]

[[magebane lizard]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/134/magebane-lizard

Magebane Lizard <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, this creature deals damage to that player equal to the number of noncreature spells they've cast this turn.
"I didn't miss. Blasted thing snatched my bolt out of the air and ate it!" —Lilah, Slickshot boss
1/4

[golden plover]

So yeah, I expect something that can mainboard all the current Izzet hate to take it and we'll get like 5 months of Izzet discourse before they ban like stormchasers or something

[glad peak]

Please don’t the lizard

[inland folio]

[[stormchasers]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/159/stormchaser-mage

Stormchaser Mage <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flying, haste
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Roilmages' tactics are as chaotic as the energies they channel.
1/3

[inland folio]

[[stormchasers talent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/75/stormchasers-talent

Stormchaser's Talent <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
: Level 3
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.

[inland folio]

why not the red one

[golden plover]

Tbh both this and slickshot need to go

[inland folio]

isnt this the one people always want to cut

[glad peak]

Nah slickshot’s fine

I love my baby birb

[golden plover]

But I've talked about it before here: I don't think there's a ban that can make Izzet feel reasonable in the current standard

Izzet gets too many answers and too much card selection

[sleek ferry]

Wouldn’t it be the funniest thing if slick shot wins another PT but with mono red in an izzet dominant format

[golden plover]

So they'd have to ban like 8 cards before rotation

[glad peak]

You know, good point I should play standard

[sleek ferry]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Ken is bringing mono red again to this PT

[golden plover]

The solution is to stop letting Izzet do everything and go back to two year standard

[glad peak]

Modern slickshot’s kinda mid

[golden plover]

But... That doesn't sell packs

[sleek ferry]

I’m hoping for either Ken or Toni to win this PT

[golden plover]

So even after a slickshot/stormchasers/flow state ban, Izzet will come back in a new form in a set

[inland folio]

all the izzet decks are pretty varied no?

[twilit canyon]

this is because you'd need to stop printing good cards in blue and red to have ppl stop playing izzet

[inland folio]

like they share very few cards

so banning one or the other doesnt matter in the grand scheme

[sleek ferry]

Spellementals and prowess are starting to be a little samey, but lessons is a much different deck than both

[twilit canyon]

ban island and mountain

and ppl would still find a way

[inland folio]

theres enough duals to not care surely

[twilit canyon]

yes

[golden plover]

I mean part of it is that every Izzet card draws you a card now

[twilit canyon]

every izzet card ever has drawn you a card

thats the color pair in a nutshell

[golden plover]

They keep putting "costs" on them with stuff like Winternight and the burn spell

[inland folio]

shove in an agna quala and that one red land from tarkir at a copy or 2

[golden plover]

But the issue is there's too many upsides for that now

[inland folio]

there u go

[twilit canyon]

izzet has always had broken upsides for doing that

[golden plover]

Traumatic Critique? That's 2 cards of different types for flow state

Abandon Attachments? That's 2 of your 3 lessons

Winternight? You're putting the creature you're gonna do shit with in the graveyard

[twilit canyon]

snapcasters... bolts... actual good denial magic... strong planeswalkers... consistent deckbuilding...

[golden plover]

Izzet has always had benefits to their discards yeah, but it's gotten to a level that's definitely better than it should be for standard rn

[inland folio]

would that red snapcaster be better or worse than the old one

[twilit canyon]

i'd reckon to say about 75% of all broken magic cards and best standard cards have been red and blue

[inland folio]

in the current standard

[sleek ferry]

Like I said, Vivi has made us forget that Izzet was unplayable in standard for a very long time

[twilit canyon]

better in current

we dont have counterspell proper for snapcaster to be more relevant

[golden plover]

Red Snapcaster will probably be good yeah

[sleek ferry]

It got so bad that I remember people on Reddit begging for izzet to be viable again

[twilit canyon]

people played red snappy but worse for years in standard

[inland folio]

whast it called

[golden plover]

I can't remember people begging for Izzet to be viable? Prowess was low-key good the whole time after the Vivi ban

[twilit canyon]

the vampire from midnight hunt

idr the name of the cycle

[golden plover]

Like everyone went "hey actually this deck is solid"

And it's only ever gotten better

[sleek ferry]

Talking pre Vivi

[golden plover]

Oh pre Vivi was like 4 different fucked up decks

That was a dark format too

[twilit canyon]

but it was 2 mana haste vampire -> pay 3 to free cast a spell of a specific mv

so 5 mana

[golden plover]

But hey, at least it had more deck variety ig? Even if games were decided by opening hands

[inland folio]

oh 3 mana

i thought it was 3 life

and was like

seems pretty broken

[twilit canyon]

izzet has always been at least present and/or in the background, with a few cards here and there being strong and/or making a massive splash in other formats

ie: thassa's oracle, underworld breach

dreadhorde arcanist

[golden plover]

Mono-red beat beanstalk but lost to Omni, Omni beat mono-red but lost to control, control beat Omni but lost to beanstalk, beanstalk but Omni and lost to mono-red

[twilit canyon]

jeskai firest

grixis control prior

[golden plover]

Wasn't really a good format when you could just decide the winner by looking at opening hands

[sleek ferry]

Black was the best color in standard all the way from like innistrad midnight hunt until like WoE?

[twilit canyon]

uhhhh... yeah... i think so

[inland folio]

omni as in omniscience?

that used to be a top deck?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah the previous iteration was fucked up

[inland folio]

what changed

[twilit canyon]

yeah as in its omni

[golden plover]

Abuelos got banned

[inland folio]

[[abuelos]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/1/abuelos-awakening

Abuelo's Awakening <:manax:292901509082120202><:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Return target artifact or non-Aura enchantment card from your graveyard to the battlefield with X additional +1/+1 counters on it. It's a 1/1 Spirit creature with flying in addition to its other types.
Quintorius touched the old poncho he'd found. A rush of magic condensed into an Echo, and wise Abuelo stepped forth.

[twilit canyon]

it was a cute deck, but had flaws

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Deck would very consistently have Omni on board on 4 and you'd just lose

[inland folio]

sounds broken

[golden plover]

I mean, I'd say it was a lot better than "cute"

[twilit canyon]

ehh

the ban was definitely wotc saving magic players from themselves

[inland folio]

how would u dump omni tho

[sleek ferry]

Omni and mono red being viable at the same time is a sign of a pretty healthy format if you ask me

[inland folio]

ust draw and discard it?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[golden plover]

It just existed in a meta where it won half the games and lost the other half because every deck was rock paper scissors and decided by a coin flip

[twilit canyon]

with roiling dragon vortex idr the name of the enchant

[sleek ferry]

also yeah, the kill list that they came out with is actually what led to Vivi format lol

[inland folio]

would probs be better now right

bc of abandon attachements and critique

[golden plover]

I actually think they lost some of the cards that helped make that work to rotation

[twilit canyon]

requiting hex has helped enough and iirc it makes the token so it'd actually be weaker

[golden plover]

But yeah, they'd probably be in Jeskai rn

[inland folio]

oh weaker than kona

ic

[golden plover]

Also that format had the stupid Esper hopeless nightmare shit

[golden plover]

Nah this was better than Kona

[inland folio]

[[hopeless nightmare]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/95/hopeless-nightmare

Hopeless Nightmare <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, each opponent discards a card and loses 2 life.
When this enchantment is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, scry 2.
: Sacrifice this enchantment.

[golden plover]

Kona is much slower and has too many interaction points

[inland folio]

well like in current it would be worse

[golden plover]

If Abuelos resolved you won

[inland folio]

or something

idk

thats waht im understanding from myst

[golden plover]

Nah, if Abuelos was legal Omni would still probably be tier 2, maybe tier 1

They wouldn't be in green at all

[twilit canyon]

you are being way too generous to such a fragile deck

if it actually placed omni into play

sure

but its a 1/1

token

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Wait what are you hexing?

[twilit canyon]

this is the most fragile thing on the planet

[sleek ferry]

Omni was always like 5-7% rep deck Yuni

[golden plover]

They can't hex it

It has a MV of 10

[sleek ferry]

It was an option, but not a meta breaker

[golden plover]

It's not a token

[twilit canyon]

ur right, but its still a frail card as a whole. theres a reason a lot of pros just didnt bother and/or teched the deck to be safe without the combo

[inland folio]

i c

[golden plover]

I mean, there's plenty of interaction points yeah

[inland folio]

is it the best combo deck or something

or just the one people like the most

[golden plover]

But Abuelos is much better than Kona

[twilit canyon]

omni is something ppl like doing

even when its not actually great

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I think the deck would still be solid if it had Abuelos legal

Probably a bit rough into Izzet and all the graveyard hate

[inland folio]

the only way to beat this is to be blue and have a counterspell rigth

or just aggro

[golden plover]

Mono-red beat it by having them dead on 4 yeah

[inland folio]

but like if u arent aggro ur cucked

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They had to dedicate more slots to protecting the combo than they could prevent you from just attacking them

Yup, that was the issue in the format

[twilit canyon]

most hands they had lost to removal on the token

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The beanstalk and esper decks couldn't prevent Omni

[sleek ferry]

If you want to look at innovation in the format, I would look at what Toni Portolan is bringing to this PT, he usually brings something unique, but has a great understanding of how to play into the meta

[golden plover]

The classic was do it when you had a second Omni in hand

[inland folio]

well the beanstalk deck would be sulai now right

and play the elementals