Magic the Gathering

[knotty ferry]

Isn't this a casual format why is there a banlist

Just let people play with whatever

[copper pecan]

because otherwise people would be playing black lotus

[lusty trench]

Because people pub stomp

[knotty ferry]

Don't get pub stomped

[subtle sierra]

i will be proxying a black lotus next locals, don't come around

[lusty trench]

Even then the list only removes the biggest offenders

[knotty ferry]

Sigh

Ok

Is the card pool everything

Or does it start at a specific year

[lusty trench]

Anything not silver bordered/acorn and not on the banlist

[knotty ferry]

So no chaos orb?

[lusty trench]

You can talk to people about the silver bordered cards though most people won't care so long as it's not super wacky

[knotty ferry]

https://youtu.be/D2jn4gHvOPE?si=IaDoFkjDdCFVzdKY I'm watching this rn

[lusty trench]

Correct no chaos orb because it requires physical dexterity to use

Which means it's a card that gives people who have full use of their arms an advantage

[knotty ferry]

Yeah I can tell these mfs are unathletic

Not like me and @sleek ferry

[lusty trench]

Its mainly for the physically disabled

[knotty ferry]

Ok I guess that's fair

[lusty trench]

If you ask about it I'm sure no ones gonna care though

Commander is just "if something is against the rules but it'd be cool and funny and not broken people will usually not care"

[knotty ferry]

[sleek ferry]

Lmk what you get out of your commander sample pack

Pretty much all of the borderless commanders are like $30+ hits

Except for y’shtola who is a $120 hit

[glad peak]

So as much as I love celes, the precon she’s in is very badly constructed. If you want to upgrade everything then this is fine but otherwise just getting the yshtola one is very good (small to large amounts of upgrades)

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I wanted to keep all the FF precons as they are, but the terra one is so bad lol

The yshtola is probably the best for a new player though + you get taru taru, but the ff7 one is the best constructed one imo

And yshotla and tidus one are about even in terms of deck construction

[glad peak]

The counters one is probably the easiest

It’s also the most common play pattern deck you’ll see in the wild

[knotty ferry]

what upgrades would you recommend for the terra one?

[glad peak]

First swap Terra for celes

Then get murderous redcap, goblin bombardment, and [[puppeteer clique]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/84/puppeteer-clique

Puppeteer Clique <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
When this creature enters, put target creature card from an opponent's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It gains haste. At the beginning of your next end step, exile it.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
3/2

[glad peak]

(I’m just telling you a casual list btw, it’s not gonna be my favorite build of cedh)

Puppeteer clique the entire opponent’s grave is funny

From there just get as many cards as you can for dumping and/or reanimating and/or sacrificing

Ephemerate in particular is good

[knotty ferry]

i see...

got a list?

[glad peak]

Not a casual one lol

But you can just cut from the precon with these cards first then go from there

[[victimize]] is funny here

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/198/victimize

Victimize <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose two target creature cards in your graveyard. Sacrifice a creature. If you do, return the chosen cards to the battlefield tapped.
"Die. But die knowing that your pathetic life will yield a great bounty for me." —Zul Ashur, lich lord

[glad peak]

Tbh if you just replace the terra specific cards (usually attack specific cards) you have a coherent deck that has a through line

Oh replace snort and laughing mad for sure too

Snort is unironically one of the worst precon specific cards ever

[sleek ferry]

[[snort]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/58/snort

Snort <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player may discard their hand and draw five cards. Then Snort deals 5 damage to each opponent who discarded their hand this way.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[glad peak]

Sneet snort

From there you can focus on wheels like [[borrowed knowledge]] or another route to be more casual or soft stax

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/178/borrowed-knowledge

Borrowed Knowledge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Discard your hand, then draw cards equal to the number of cards in target opponent's hand.
• Discard your hand, then draw cards equal to the number of cards discarded this way.
"Professor, we study history and my neighbor wrote his answer first. I was learning from the past."

[knotty ferry]

thank you mudkip san

[tardy echo]

When I still went to locals for ygo a few years back I remember someone managed to convince a group of commander players to play with shaharazad

If I recall it resolved once and then he tried to regrowth it, got countered and rq’d

[trail anvil]

bruh lol

[tardy echo]

Imagine having that much hate in your heart

I admire the tenacity actually

[knotty ferry]

You know what I always say

Hate is for the weak

Also suck toes or die trying, but that's neither here nor there

[sleek ferry]

Hate makes you powerful

[tardy echo]

🔥

Spat have you ever seen shaharazad

It’s the funniest mtg card ever printed

[knotty ferry]

Nah but that card sounds funny

The subgame shit

[tardy echo]

Yeah lol

One of the few “normal” cards banned in every single format

[knotty ferry]

Also I was watching a video on the Ante cards, they should bring that back

[tardy echo]

I think possibly the only one actually

[knotty ferry]

If you're not ready to lose your most important cards, get good

[tardy echo]

[sleek ferry]

You want cake to lose all his cards

[knotty ferry]

His commons?

Yeah

[tardy echo]

I think it’s really funny actually how all of the ante cards are unabashed dogshit and then one of them is 1 mana draw 7

Or coin flip win the game

[glad peak]

I downloaded the scheme cards on my phone and took out all of the “target opponent chooses all opponents or self” and ongoing schemes

Now I have a deck I can use for the super serious totally real supervillains format

[sleek ferry]

Ngl, the design on the marvel boxes looks so fire

Not even a marvel fan

But those boxes are pretty

[lusty trench]

Isnt one of them a meh tutor?

[knotty ferry]

I just bought a bunch of shit

Holy

It ain't easy being rich

[tardy echo]

Not to my knowledge

[glad peak]

there's one that's "if you don't concede, you ante more"

[sudden lava]

There is a banlist as said before, but there are also cards that are technically "banned" but okay if you ask the pod first

[knotty ferry]

such as?

[sudden lava]

such as this, technically not legal for commander but if someone said "Hey can I play my Ignacio of Myra's marvels deck?" I'd say sure

[glad peak]

There’s a list of cards that are also banned in bracket 2 and below

Technically any card is legal if the table is fine with it but events follow the banlist strictly

[sudden lava]

btw Idk if I said it here, but coolstuffinc gave me a neat free token with my prismari precon order

[knotty ferry]

bc of the art thing?

i see

[sudden lava]

Puppy

[lusty trench]

Yooo the MTGA team is unionising

[subtle sierra]

fucking jumpscare i read that as maga

[glad peak]

Yes the maga team is unionizing

[urban crane]

Picked up this

[glad peak]

Mommy?

Also saw someone claim that jin gitaxias in this art style looks like an anime girl

[atomic harness]

Can you show the pic

[subtle sierra]

this is so far from an anime girl

[knotty ferry]

oh yeah?

name every anime girl

[subtle sierra]

i'm not sleepy

[knotty ferry]

then wake tf up!

[subtle sierra]

true!

i am woke now

[glad peak]

Yep the only thing the guy said was to think of the black parts as hair and the phyrexian symbol as an eye

I still don’t get it

[knotty ferry]

if you were truly woke, you'd realize anime girls can come in all shapes and sizes...

[glad peak]

Oh cool my friends are getting into tiny leader

Maybe now they’ll realize how much worse 4 player was compared to 1v1

[sleek ferry]

holy shit, I see it

it's one of those abstract things the kiddies love nowadays

if you ain't got the vision, then you ain't got it

[glad peak]

Draw it out

[sleek ferry]

It would sadly be nsfw

[glad peak]

[knotty ferry]

Interesting

[lusty trench]

Your friend needs an optician

[glad peak]

🫵

[subtle sierra]

🫵

[past socket]

Magical Girl Jin-Gitaxias

Make it happen WOTC

[tardy echo]

Game changers aren’t playable below a certain bracket

The list of game changers gets updated intermittently

[zinc shard]

lost a draft because opponent copied my [[Improvisation Capstone]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/120/improvisation-capstone

Improvisation Capstone <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery — Lesson
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile cards with total mana value 4 or greater. You may cast any number of spells from among them without paying their mana costs.
Paradigm (Then exile this spell. After you first resolve a spell with this name, you may cast a copy of it from exile without paying its mana cost at the beginning of each of your first main phases.)

[knotty ferry]

What is a game changer

[tardy echo]

It’s like a fake banned card

[knotty ferry]

So why would this card be fake banned

Idgi

Or like why is it not legal for commander

Is it arbitrary?

[tardy echo]

[[vorinclex voice of hunger]] is banned in bracket 1/2

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger

Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample
Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of any type that land produced.
Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that land doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
7/6

[knotty ferry]

I'm talking about the red guy that was posted

[glad peak]

Basically an expanded banlist for lower power levels

[tardy echo]

It’s banning Timmy cards

Which red guy got posted

[knotty ferry]

Ignacio

[glad peak]

The red guy is banned because acorn stamp and silver bordered, which are cards meant to be gags

[knotty ferry]

Oh

So it's just a meme card

[tardy echo]

Yes

[knotty ferry]

That's why it's banned

Not bc it's a game changer or whatever

[tardy echo]

Silver bordered cards are like the ygo crossover meme cards

[knotty ferry]

It's just a meme card

You humans could've said that

[tardy echo]

That aren’t playable anywhere

I didn’t know what you were talking about pest

[glad peak]

There’s some joke cards that are playable but they function within the rules of the game so are fine

[knotty ferry]

READ

[glad peak]

I refuse to read

[knotty ferry]

Not you

The purple kid

[tardy echo]

I also figured it would be a good learning experience for your comprehensible pea brain

[knotty ferry]

Trolling

This is why mudkip-san and thugs are the only real ones here

And @atomic harness

Sometimes...

[tardy echo]

Commander players

[knotty ferry]

Don't insult my commander friends, diaper boy

[glad peak]

You two are the only commander players here

At least your mentality suggests it

[knotty ferry]

Me????

Wtf did I do

[tardy echo]

This is a bannable insult btw

[sleek ferry]

The only 2 real commander players are Adam and Summer

[knotty ferry]

Adam West or Adam East?

[tardy echo]

When renren talks about ygo he exudes the attitude of a commander player from 1000 miles away

[sleek ferry]

The one that’s from where Ricky got shot at

[glad peak]

Everyone’s taking shots here

[sleek ferry]

The biggest commander players and biggest fans of UB are Misty and Marisol

Word me Gaytor and Critique

[glad peak]

Yeah but Misty’s actually anti-scrub

[sleek ferry]

That’s bad, you should always scrub when you shower

[fallow citrus]

this deck is an.. interesting idea
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1svk03e/persist_zoo_t2_kills_are_real_but_should_you_play/

you're trading the traditional zoo threats for bad reanimator

[knotty ferry]

Wtf is zoo

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3k62q0/comment/cuv314n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

this explains it best

[atomic harness]

[fallow citrus]

but current zoo is "domain zoo" which focuses on domain as a keyword to make your little guys do things or make your big things cheaper

[hidden ermine]

Type of aggro deck focusing on cheap overstatted creature basically, no?

[fallow citrus]

so like [[territorial kavu]] is huge because you play the triomes which give it land types for domain

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/216/territorial-kavu

Territorial Kavu <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Kavu
Domain — Territorial Kavu's power and toughness are each equal to the number of basic land types among lands you control.
Whenever this creature attacks, choose one —
• Discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
• Exile up to one target card from a graveyard.
*/*

[hidden ermine]

Oddly one of the terms from MTG that ended up catching on in HS

[fallow citrus]

turn 2 it can be a 2 mana 5/5 that loots, card is actually crazy

[atomic harness]

Thank you, aeri

[fallow citrus]

probably one of the archetypes I love most in modern

[glad peak]

Nah miracle caught on in HS and then later riftbound

[past socket]

[[Kird Ape]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/137/kird-ape

Kird Ape <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Ape
This creature gets +1/+2 as long as you control a Forest.
It puts the "fur" in "fury."
1/1

[past socket]

Like I’ve said with a player’s Kibo deck, in Soviet Russia, monkey spank you.

[golden plover]

Smh all the Izzet decks are kinda merging into one shell

They're all on crab now

[hidden ermine]

There is only one step

And it is crab

[golden plover]

I mean, hey, makes it easier to go "well Izzet is a problem" when it's only one deck and not 3 slightly different decks

[twilit canyon]

crab + horse

mostly cus its better to do that

[knotty ferry]

The horse is broken

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/igndeals/status/2048840147370680740?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

IGN Finds (@IGNDeals)

Magic: The Gathering Marvel Collector’s Edition Commander Deck bundle comes out June 6 and is available for preorder at Amazon for an eye-watering $639.96. 100 foils in every deck, Avengers Assemble, Wakanda Forever, The Fantastic Four, and Doom Prevails. zdcs.link/Q45MqG #ad

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FxTwitter · Apr 27, 2026, 7:02 PM

So it is like the leaks said

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/wildstwawberry/status/2048881351730897003?s=20

winnie! (@wildstwawberry)

Help! I only play Standard but this is my daily challenge. What do these words mean?

X · Apr 27, 2026, 9:45 PM

[sleek ferry]

Winnie is the worst poster of mtg related stuff

It’s not even close

[trail anvil]

idk this is pretty funny

[knotty ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2048865696382111863 @sleek ferry when are you getting sponsored?

Zompatanfo (Guglielmo Lupi) (@zompatanfo)

Happy to announce that @PSAcard is officially sponsoring me for Pro Tour Secret Of Strixhaven.

I’m currently out here at the testing house with @HandshakeMTG working to crush the tournament.

I'm truly grateful for PSA's decision to support my journey.

#PTSOS #MCVegas26

X · Apr 27, 2026, 8:43 PM

[lusty trench]

They spelt blue wrong

[stark skiff]

If only the commanders were any good. I don’t know how they dropped the ball so hard on them:

[tardy echo]

We’ve seen the commanders?

[sudden lava]

yeah

[sleek ferry]

I mean they look fine considering these will probably be made for new players

Who see the marvel collab

[subtle sierra]

?

[subtle sierra]

Chat do i run stock up or flow state in this

[sleek ferry]

Stock up

[twilit canyon]

stock up

[sleek ferry]

You want to run flow state in decks like spellementals that just love can tripping and accelerating

[twilit canyon]

in standard, if you arent playing opt/sleight of hand on top of another set of instants and sorceries, its gonna feel bad

[subtle sierra]

Ye but floating mana off lute is cringe

And if you hit lightning stock up the cascade stops

Ik most of the time it won't but still

Ig strangely enough stock up is the budget option here lmao

[knotty ferry]

What are the 2 Japanese cards on the left? One is opt I assume?

[twilit canyon]

opt and sleight of hand

[sleek ferry]

Yeah

If it’s spellementals you can always assume it’s opt and sleight of hand

[subtle sierra]

Lithuanian colorstorm stallion art...

[knotty ferry]

There's a slickshot show off so I wasn't sure

[sleek ferry]

Oh wait, this is prowess

With a teched crab

[knotty ferry]

I guess they all run this weird hybrid now

[subtle sierra]

Prowess play the same thing now that flow state is out

[knotty ferry]

I saw people running crab in other versions

Sigh just ban every red card

[subtle sierra]

Lessons are back on crab stormchasers

[knotty ferry]

And every green card

And the game is saved

[sleek ferry]

This sounds dead wrong for lessons

Not saying you’re lying, just saying that theory sounds bad for that specific strat

[subtle sierra]

They went back to playing boomer and roaring furnace

Most of the recent shit dropped monument

I think crab makes slightly more sense in that cause it's another thing to bounce

Not that it's a good option

[sleek ferry]

Also, I feel like you rather just be on mouse + vibrant outburst, since you can just go 3 to face, get a prowess trigger then tap your mouse while it’s already attacking to get the top deck exile

[knotty ferry]

Thugs saw the same twitter thread I just did

Sigh

[subtle sierra]

Emberheart?

[knotty ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2048838507188129995

Bosseidon (@BosseidonRed)

You can target your own Challenger with the Tap after attackers are declared to trigger Valiant, pretty good synergy

X · Apr 27, 2026, 6:55 PM

[subtle sierra]

Critique does the same tbf

[sleek ferry]

Also, Japanese players have been playing [[tablet of discovery]] over lute

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/132/tablet-of-discovery

Tablet of Discovery <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, mill a card. You may play that card this turn. (To mill a card, put the top card of your library into your graveyard.)
: Add .
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast instant and sorcery spells.
Leaving no stone unturned is just the beginning.

[subtle sierra]

In control?

[sleek ferry]

In Jeskai specifically yeah

[subtle sierra]

Or other izzet shit

That's wild to me ngl

[knotty ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2048773731007254528 @twilit canyon isn't this ur guy?

Jim Davis (@JimDavisMTG)

Who's ready for #PTSOS?

X · Apr 27, 2026, 2:38 PM

[subtle sierra]

The second mode is a lot worse than you'd think

[twilit canyon]

tablet was known as a possible piece to the lute list

[twilit canyon]

yea lol

speaking of...

[sleek ferry]

I got money on izzet not winning PT SoS btw

[knotty ferry]

What's winning

[twilit canyon]

yeah cus it'll be jeskai

[sleek ferry]

Abzan, book it

[twilit canyon]

holy

[subtle sierra]

Ngl even i dropped jeskai to an extent

Izzet just has all the same shit

Besides get lost ig

[knotty ferry]

Abzan and mardu...your favorite deck...

Actually, 2nd behind Rakdos peed

[twilit canyon]

thugs is just a non-blue gamer

[sleek ferry]

?

My main deck is literally Azorius tempo lol

[knotty ferry]

Nah thugs plays his aven interrupter skycoach conductor deck

[twilit canyon]

thugs at any possible opportunity though: what if we played abzan

[sleek ferry]

We have good planeswalkers to make Abzan work now

[twilit canyon]

i dont agree actually. no reason to go white

hm

to clarify

no great reason to splash

ik some ppl are on ketramose in the pile but idt u need him or the white pieces

[knotty ferry]

[[ketramose]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/209/ketramose-the-new-dawn

Ketramose, the New Dawn <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — God
Menace, lifelink, indestructible
Ketramose can't attack or block unless there are seven or more cards in exile.
Whenever one or more cards are put into exile from graveyards and/or the battlefield during your turn, you draw a card and lose 1 life.
Let the past die so the future might live.
4/4

[knotty ferry]

Interesting...

[sleek ferry]

I’ll take any chance I can get to play my girl high noon

[knotty ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/high-noon-gif-2788560000254454556

[subtle sierra]

Ketramose is a fraud

[twilit canyon]

oh absolutely

i used ketramose in historic and timeless to great effect before
some of my best 5-2 decks at qualifiers of all time

[knotty ferry]

Btw what's the best magic set of all time

[twilit canyon]

when i removed ketramose i have gone undefeated

[knotty ferry]

You know how we have duelist alliance, power of the elements, etc in yugioh

What are the equivalents in mtg

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm tough to answer

i think... it depends player to player

[knotty ferry]

I guess like sets that changed the game

[twilit canyon]

and format to format

[sleek ferry]

An unanswered high noon means they can never kill your dellian with burn spells, since just like Kaito, if you’re not going + on dellian gel, you’re trolling

[twilit canyon]

game changing sets are also decently plentiful

[sleek ferry]

Eldraine 1 is up there

[twilit canyon]

for better/worse

[knotty ferry]

The one with oko?

[twilit canyon]

eldraine is up there for sure

yep

war of the spark

og theros was huge at its time

oh ravnica

and then rtr

[sleek ferry]

Arabian nights/Urza’s saga if you want to go old school

[twilit canyon]

urza's saga yep

mirrodin

among recent sets... lord of the rings

final fantasty tbh

[sleek ferry]

EoE over FF

[twilit canyon]

hm

oh duskmourne

another really defining set

future sight

[knotty ferry]

I forgot lord of the rings was a set

[twilit canyon]

future sight is an odd pick but a big pick

[sleek ferry]

Verges really changed the outlook of standard for the 3 year rotation

It guaranteed an extremely strong mana base for that rotation cycle

Mind you, verges only see fringe play outside of standard

[knotty ferry]

Verges seem like some of the best lands

But I guess other formats have broken boomer lands

[twilit canyon]

honestly... no not really

standard's mana is a step below modern and as good as pioneer

verges only dont see huge play in modern and up because they do require a specific mana base to work well with the other broken lands

[sleek ferry]

2 color decks in modern still play a verge or 2 if they want to splash. Like my merfolk deck

[twilit canyon]

its not rare

[knotty ferry]

So what do they play instead

[twilit canyon]

tho in the case of merfolk... wtf are you splashing?

red? green?

white?

[knotty ferry]

Like the 2 sided lands I assume

[twilit canyon]

no

[sleek ferry]

Black

[knotty ferry]

See more play in modern

[twilit canyon]

fetches, shocks

sack lands

[[nurturing peatland]]

[knotty ferry]

Fetch land is like [[escape tunnel]]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/184/escape-tunnel

Escape Tunnel

Land
, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
, Sacrifice this land: Target creature with power 2 or less can't be blocked this turn.
"I hear the sewers in Connecticut are really nice." —Michelangelo

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/243/nurturing-peatland

Nurturing Peatland

Land
, Pay 1 life: Add or .
, , Sacrifice this land: Draw a card.
New life is born within its shadows.

[knotty ferry]

Right?

[twilit canyon]

well much more broken than escape tunnel

[[scalding tarn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/254/scalding-tarn

Scalding Tarn

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for an Island or Mountain card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[knotty ferry]

Wait

You can just sac this

[sleek ferry]

The Dimir verge adds blue on its regular side, so it’s good to play 4 verges in merfolk

[knotty ferry]

And play like a 7 mana red card?

On the field?

Just like that?

[twilit canyon]

uh

depends

generally no

but wym

[knotty ferry]

Wait so what does put it onto the battlefield mean

Can I not sac this and take a slickshot show off from my deck and just put it onto the field?

[twilit canyon]

escape tunnel sacks to find a basic land, or makes something unblockable

slickshot showoff is not a mountain

[knotty ferry]

No I mean scalding tarn

It's a mountain card

No?

[twilit canyon]

it is not

it has to say it on the actual card type

[copper pecan]

a mountain card is a card with "mountain" on the type line

[twilit canyon]

ie [[sacred foundry]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/256/sacred-foundry

Sacred Foundry

Land — Mountain Plains
(: Add or .)
As this land enters, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
"Log 2.2.119: Kiln, known for its blazing forges and ancient lava seeps. The footing may be treacherous, but the metallurgy is grand!" —Maisie's Edge Chronicles

[knotty ferry]

So why would you play this land

Instead of just playing an actual mountain land

[twilit canyon]

cus it can find fetches

err

sacred foundry

for instance

so unlike a typical sac -> fetch

[knotty ferry]

I guess you can argue it's more consistency

[twilit canyon]

they can come in untapped

[sleek ferry]

It’s mana fixing + thins your deck

[knotty ferry]

For what you want

[twilit canyon]

and find all colors

[knotty ferry]

At that time

Yeah nvm that makes sense

[copper pecan]

it's an enormous amount of consistency

[twilit canyon]

with 10 fetches, you can cast wubrg

[knotty ferry]

Oh wait, it comes in UNTAPPED?

[twilit canyon]

yes

if you want them to

[knotty ferry]

THATS FKIN BROJEN

[twilit canyon]

correct

[knotty ferry]

So I can basically play a shock land for 1 life

Essentially

[twilit canyon]

3

1 for the sac -> 2 for the shock

[knotty ferry]

Oh I still have to pay

For the shock

[twilit canyon]

but this does scale with true duals

[knotty ferry]

Oh nvm

That's cringe

Still good tho

But

Ok

[twilit canyon]

[[tropical island]] for instance

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/321/tropical-island

Tropical Island

Land — Forest Island
(: Add or .)

[twilit canyon]

any island or forest searching fetch can grab it and put it into play for 1 life

[knotty ferry]

Yeah

That is broken

[twilit canyon]

on top of other little tangential benefits like cracking your brainstorm

and ponders

[knotty ferry]

[[brainstorm]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/113/brainstorm

Brainstorm <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw three cards, then put two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order.
The mizzium-sphere array drove her mind deep into the thought field, where only the rarest motes of genius may be plucked.

[twilit canyon]

they are also low commitment vs land destruction

if you dont need the mana, you can just hold the fetch, and what are they gonna do? try and destroy the land that dies to find another?

[knotty ferry]

Isn't there some boomer card called strip mine that just pops a land

[twilit canyon]

yes and wasteland

they are the most extreme form of the land hate cards in standard like demolition field and its like

[sleek ferry]

That reminds me, I wanted to build merfolk in standard with the new merfolk

[twilit canyon]

playing a blue tempo list in legacy means you will often have games where you both, nuke their lands forever and games where your opponent gets stuck with trying to nuke your lands yet being unable to stop your tempo

[knotty ferry]

I also aaw

Saw

[[crystal orb]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “crystal orb”

[knotty ferry]

What's it called

U don't untapped

U don't untap

[twilit canyon]

[[winter orb]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as this artifact is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[knotty ferry]

Yeah

Does this see play

[twilit canyon]

no

well kinda

[[urza, lord high artificer]] used to abuse it well

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/130/urza-lord-high-artificer

Urza, Lord High Artificer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add .
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4

[twilit canyon]

but this deck has fallen out of favor in modern and legacy

evil bastard urza where he will just leave the orb untapped, so your opp only ever untaps once, then you tap it for blue before your turn and you are all good

[knotty ferry]

Dude I swear these modern horizons cards read like yugioh cards

60 lines of text

[copper pecan]

hate this card

super unfun

[twilit canyon]

anyways the only reason modern decks and legacy decks arent all 5c piles of bullshit

is thanks to blood moon

[knotty ferry]

Yea thugs showed me that

Turns your shit into red

[twilit canyon]

u can argue harbinger of the seas has also brought balance to the force

[copper pecan]

the fetchlands were a huge mistake

[knotty ferry]

[[harbinger of the seas]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/63/harbinger-of-the-seas

Harbinger of the Seas <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Nonbasic lands are Islands.
The rising moon calls mercilessly to the waves, commanding the sea to rise high enough to devour mountains.
2/2

[subtle sierra]

She's binging the seas

[twilit canyon]

def agree on them being overall mistakes, but we do live in a post-fetchland world so

no use hiding from it across formats

i do think they should reprint them every blue moon into standard

not rn of course

but with weak targets, they can make for a decently cute option

[sleek ferry]

I told you 2027-2028 is a very real possibility for fetches in standard

[twilit canyon]

when shocks and surveils leave sure

[sleek ferry]

Though I have a feeling they’ll do a zendikar remastered set at some point as well

[twilit canyon]

tho they do seem happy with just fabled passage

actually speaking of...

prismatic vista

would be solid

card needs a reprint too iirc

[subtle sierra]

[[prismatic vista]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/244/prismatic-vista

Prismatic Vista

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
There is beauty in the uncertainty of potential.

[twilit canyon]

[[$prismatic vista]

[tardy echo]

In recent times, for non format specific sets probably throne, tbd, war

[twilit canyon]

[[$prismatic vista]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/244/prismatic-vista

Prices for Prismatic Vista

Magic Online Promos

5.07 TIX

Special Guests

$42.30 • €37.50 • 6.07 TIX

Modern Horizons 1 Timeshifts

$56.79 • €58.64

Zendikar Rising Expeditions

$40.17 • €39.38 • 8.75 TIX

Modern Horizons

$38.19 • €33.16 • 3.13 TIX

[twilit canyon]

yeah fuck you wotc reprint this shit into standard

[subtle sierra]

Why is this called prismatic chicken in lithuanian...

[tardy echo]

Arguments for some decent/good sets with extremely broken cards like iko

[subtle sierra]

Star trek prismatic vista

[twilit canyon]

true

if they arent cowards

[tardy echo]

Not sure if this is controversial but zendikar rising…

That sets lowk goated

[twilit canyon]

hm

[tardy echo]

Mdfcs + omnath

[twilit canyon]

i'd lowkey kind of agree

[tardy echo]

• so many random standout cards

Archon of emeria

Skyclave

Like holy

[sleek ferry]

Also it was the first set booster box

And idk if any of you opened zendikar rising, but The List slot odds were fucking juiced

[twilit canyon]

i barely opened any

[sleek ferry]

As were 2-3 rare odds

[knotty ferry]

Booster boxes didn't exist? Did stores get packs shipped to them loose in cardboard boxes?

There's no way

[twilit canyon]

but zendikar rising was when i first decided to take it a bit more seriously and got to mythic

and then i didnt drop mythic until... november last year?

[knotty ferry]

I've never dropped mythic

[twilit canyon]

over 5 years of making it to mythic

[sleek ferry]

No, we used to have 2 different types of booster boxes

[knotty ferry]

But I'm also like 1-6 in mythic. It's actually hard now

[sleek ferry]

Draft booster boxes and set booster boxes

[knotty ferry]

Oh

[twilit canyon]

i only stopped cus i had a whole month where i couldnt really play

[sleek ferry]

Set booster boxes were meant for people who wanted to open product for the sake of collecting

While draft booster boxes were solely for drafting

[tardy echo]

Lotus cobra scute swarm too

Pathways

[sleek ferry]

But set booster boxes got nerfed like 3-4 times during their lifespan

[tardy echo]

Like holy

Another set like that for me is amonkhet

[twilit canyon]

og amonkhet?

or the block

as a block... i lowkey agree

[tardy echo]

The whole block

I couldn’t rlly remember any of the sets on their own

[sleek ferry]

Amonkhet, final hour?

[tardy echo]

But as a whole block it is really goated

Ya

[sleek ferry]

Or was it called something else

[twilit canyon]

hour of devastation

iirc

[tardy echo]

Hour of devastation

Yeah

[atomic harness]

Tchalla looks good

Amonkhet = goat

[subtle sierra]

You know now that i mulled it over more, both lute and tablet let you cast rev/capstone on t5

I still think lute is better

But i can see the appeal

It's not a complete turn skip when it drops but it adding RR is a lot more awkward in jeskai where your premium 2 cost removal is either get lost or helix

I could get around to playing a more red removal oriented build with it

Actually I've been playing around with jeskai lessons and grandma can potentially get it out t3 and still have like 3 mana to spare

Sucks that we're getting two good walkers in sos and lessons are shit at removing them

It's also ass into control ig

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1sxsxt3/new_deckbuilding_game_has_stolen_magic_art/

[copper pecan]

did they think people just wouldn't notice or what

[trail anvil]

I feel like usually when this happens it's a test card art that made it into the final version, but this doesn't seem like that if it's made it to promo material too

[zinc shard]

they also stole AI art from a facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/nightcafeaiart/posts/2086193038257873/

[past socket]

Just next level shameless

Too lazy to even make their own ai generated tripe

[zinc shard]

from their kickstarter

[trail anvil]

bruh lol

[past socket]

Kickstarter

Every fucking time

[subtle sierra]

Ig i just reported them

🤷‍♂️

Not the biggest fan of wotc but lmao this is blatant

[copper pecan]

the hypocrisy is astounding

[trail anvil]

not even hypocrisy, just straight up lying lol

[copper pecan]

wait they didn't even generate the ai stuff themselves? they just took it from other people?

???????????????????????

why did they do this

[lusty trench]

I mean technically it's not, they didnt use AI

They just stole it lmao

[subtle sierra]

What's a good standard legal red removal for 1-2 that isn't burst lightning or sear?

Impractical joke?

[trail anvil]

true

[golden plover]

Yeah all the Izzet decks kinda merged together

Lessons still plays it's core

But they're all on slickshot and crab now + flow state

Honestly spellementals is probably dead and getting absorbed into prowess

[subtle sierra]

They're actually on crab stormchasers

Idt i saw a list with lessons and slickshot

[golden plover]

Yeah stormchasers is in all three now too

I think lessons doesn't run slickshot

But it's the most varied of the lists now

The others are all kinda the same 60 good cards

[subtle sierra]

Idk why lessons decided that they need roaring furnace so bad

To remove spellementals?

[golden plover]

I guess? Imo spellementals is gonna get absorbed by Izzet good stuff

Tbh I think at this point it's a design philosophy issue tho

[subtle sierra]

Like wotc side?

I do feel it's been izzet slop for a while

[golden plover]

Yeah, Izzet design philosophy needs to change as a while

Izzet gets way too much card selection with cheap threats + TONS of draw

[subtle sierra]

I joined just before vivi kill so it's been oops all izzet for me since i started playing irl

[golden plover]

The downside used to be that instead Izzet was more limited on reactions and can't kill big threats because limited damage on burn spells

That's recently changed in that Izzet gets way more bounces + upside now (Boomerang Basics, Bounce Off) and their threats are cheaper and more efficient now

So they're not really lacking in anything (they can't outright kill guys) and can get online faster than anything else

And they can see way more cards a game than anything else so it's really hard to not stop them

As much as I want Stormchasers and Slickshot dead, I don't think we can get a banlist that effectively hits Izzet rn

The solution is to just move up rotation and stop giving Izzet the ability to do literally everything lol

[subtle sierra]

Yeah I've been testing both jeskai and izzet control variants and it feels like I don't need white that much anymore

Simply cause you achieve wincons fast enough that not killing stuff fully is fine cause you can just bounce it

Get lost feels replaceable, doj is replaceable, only thing i can't fully replace is jeskai rev as a wincon, the card does so much once you actually get to cast it

But oh look izzet got 2 tools to cheat the mana anyway so like lol

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

[subtle sierra]

Ok i tested tablet a little

The japanese are wrong

That is all

[knotty ferry]

I'm watching y'all's king

Rhystic studies

[atomic harness]

That's not cardmarket bro...

[knotty ferry]

Cardmarket is your king???

[atomic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/@CardmarketMagic these guys are nice

[fallow citrus]

yeah cardmarket mtg do really good videos

[knotty ferry]

True

[atomic harness]

Thank you, aeri

[fallow citrus]

they also bring on our goat mengu a lot

[knotty ferry]

I thought our goat was LSV

[sleek ferry]

My goat is Javier Dominguez

[knotty ferry]

That's your cousin

[golden plover]

I'm so fucking sick of playing against Jeskai on the ladder. That stupid fucking lute is pissing me off

[knotty ferry]

lol I just played vs it

The lute is insane

I got the guy down to 2 life but it was too late

[golden plover]

Dude what are we doing here man

Just scoop

He might have just had it 2 turns later actually??

Like if he waited 2 turns and full sent he'd probably have enough 3/4s to kill me

Provided I didn't topdeck an annex in those two turns he could've gotten it

[copper pecan]

yeah that's a lot of treefolk

[golden plover]

I mean I also boarded in day of black sun

It'd have come down to luck in the next 5 draws for me

But he did have an avenue

[copper pecan]

[[sapling nursary]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/192/sapling-nursery

Sapling Nursery <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Affinity for Forests (This spell costs less to cast for each Forest you control.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, create a 3/4 green Treefolk creature token with reach.
, Exile this enchantment: Treefolk and Forests you control gain indestructible until end of turn.

[copper pecan]

oh wait day of black sun stops indestructible

[golden plover]

Yeah they lose all abilities

[knotty ferry]

Maybe I try mythic in bo3 next...

[golden plover]

It's the same mythic

That was actually my rank up game after taking most of the month off lol

[knotty ferry]

Oh

So I can just swap to bo3 and I'll be queueing into mythic?

Interesting

[golden plover]

Yeah

You can even swap formats

[golden plover]

Uh oh, I'm building a heroes of the realm commander because she's really funky

[sleek ferry]

Thinking about it, Harmonizer should be a solid meta call. You have a great matchup into Jeskai, a solid matchup into lessons/prowess, but a bad matchup into spellementals

[glad peak]

Heroes of the realm is a really cool prize ngl

I wish there was still events with a series of whackjob formats to see who got to make a card, but this time make the prize a heroes of the realm card

[golden plover]

True. I'm proxying her tho because I don't own her and she's $40k

The commander in question is [[Svega, Unconventional]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ph22/4/svega-the-unconventional

Svega, the Unconventional <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Svega
Landfall — Whenever a land enters under your control, put a loyalty counter on target planeswalker.
−2: For each planeswalker type among planeswalkers you control, create a 1/1 Attendee creature token that's all colors.
−X: Choose an Elspeth, Teferi, Liliana, Chandra, or Garruk planeswalker card name with mana value X. Create a copy of the card with the chosen name. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
Svega can be your commander.
Loyalty: 3

[glad peak]

Damn, the person has it is selling it?

[golden plover]

Multiple people have multiple of each

They VERY rarely sell

But they do and they're always in the $40,000 range

[glad peak]

Oh I thought it was 1 card for 1 person in the company

Or does it just depict 1 person and given to many people

[golden plover]

Nah they're usually given to a specific team

Every once in a while they depict one person

Svega was for the magiccon Vegas team for example

[glad peak]

That’s pretty fun

I wish we got back the funny formats series though

Wagering life and cards for precons as part of a tournament format sounds fun af

And there’s where we got some variants of draft

[subtle sierra]

hmm i wonder what happened

And they have a shit response in their kickstarter

[copper pecan]

tbf that video was from a reviewer and not the people who actually made the game

[subtle sierra]

oh sure

ngl they could have done images drawn in pain in 5 minutes as long as you get what's on the art if it's just placeholders

it would have both charm and take less time than generating an image or stealing one

[copper pecan]

they really should've known better than to send out the prototypes to reviewers in this state

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/rpmtX_DoPGQ?si=QRo9DiR7rpqzyeyv

[subtle sierra]

the library is angry

[past socket]

POV: You were too loud in the library

[subtle sierra]

pov you enter a monastary unasked

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/eqUpIGSvCDg?si=HWTcqKwZ8Cv6khw2

[zinc shard]

https://mtgarena-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/48670414111508-Patch-Notes-2026-58-20

Collected Changes
The following cards are banned in the upcoming Historic Pauper Midweek Magic Event:

Ancestral Mask
Cranial Ram
Galvanic Blast
Kuldotha Rebirth
Refurbished Familiar
Sneaky Snacker
Persistent Petitioners

[knotty ferry]

Sneaky snacker

No way these cards are real

AI generated

[trail anvil]

fuckin finally though

ig ninjas are the deck to beat now that affinity is out of the way?

[fallow citrus]

all the cool cards 😔

[copper pecan]

[[sneaky snacker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/205/sneaky-snacker

Sneaky Snacker <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
When you draw your third card in a turn, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
Though the High Fae gave explicit instructions not to tarry, she stayed in Sweettooth Village for seconds, thirds, and then dessert.
2/1

[copper pecan]

okay yeah i can see why this would be too good

[sleek ferry]

Great flavor text

[copper pecan]

anyways i'm glad arena pauper is back, i've been waiting to play mono blue ninjas again

[tardy echo]

Random thought but was sos mystical archive the first/only bonus sheet to like specifically give alt arts for standard legal cards

Like every uncommon is in the standard card pool (technically ) vs stellar sights had iirc 0 standard legal cards

The woe bonus sheet had like 1 (?)

[sleek ferry]

On purpose? Yeah. I actually like that

[tardy echo]

Yeah it’s v cool

It also gives ppl who play standard more of an incentive to buy

Bc I was just randomly thinking like damn was there literally any standard legal land in stellar sights

[sleek ferry]

I mean that’s different

Stellar sights were like 2-4 per box

Mystical archives are guaranteed in every pack

And you get 4 in every collector pack

The better comparison for mystical archives would probably be the breaking news from OTJ

[tardy echo]

Idk it still would’ve been cool to see literally anything in standard in those cards

Stellar sight fountainport…

Breaking news was really cool too

[sleek ferry]

I liked breaking news, majority of people didn’t though

I have a playset of breaking news thoughtseize

[tardy echo]

Majority of people are often wrong

Many such cases

I really liked the breaking news surgical

FoV and decisive denial were also good ones

[golden plover]

Origin Strixhaven did it too

Like this one, all the uncommons were in standard at the time

Actually this one has an uncommon that isn't (Monstrous Rage)

[tardy echo]

It’s in the standard cardpool

[sleek ferry]

Alright guys final predictions for next years sets

[tardy echo]

Do we know the UB/non UB split

[sleek ferry]

We know it’s 6 sets, so 3/3 is probably the safe assumption

[copper pecan]

3 ub, 3 non-ub

[tardy echo]

Zendikar Alara nebulous multi plane set, UB will prob be x men and then 2 random looney tune ass shit

[sleek ferry]

X-men, Star Wars, dark souls vs Alara, Amonkhet, Ravnica

[tardy echo]

Idt we’re gonna go to amonkhet

It was already a p big focus in drft

And unlike ravnica it’s not infinite money glitch plane

And idt we’d even be revisiting ravnica so soon either

I do think we might get a visit to zhalfir sometime soon though

[sleek ferry]

Ain’t no way we’re counting MKM as Ravnica

[tardy echo]

It literally is…

[glad peak]

We have to unfortunately

[trail anvil]

unfortunately 😔

[knotty ferry]

My commander deck comes in tomorrow

LFG

[zinc shard]

nice

[subtle sierra]

bro has not experienced mind goblin

[knotty ferry]

Dude I want that Japanese mystical archive spell pierce so bad

I WISH I HAD INFINITE MONEY

[stark skiff]

It’s like 30 bucks kid

[knotty ferry]

I'll think about it ...

[zinc shard]

me wanting to buy all 5 Strixhaven Precons

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon @sleek ferry @subtle sierra @golden plover

[golden plover]

Lmao yeah flow state was a mistake

[atomic harness]

the bonus condition is basically nothing right

[lusty trench]

Card legit just says "if you've eaten some time in the past year, draw 2"

"Oh but its balanced cause they'd have to use a one mana spell turn one to draw two turn two"
Kids named boomerang basics, opt, slight of hand, burst lightning

[atomic harness]

Yeah

[fallow citrus]

if the colours blue and red aren't in your deck you've made a mistake this standard season

[hidden ermine]

Don't you need to cast two spells first?

Or do you just use a looting effect to get both in the yard

[fallow citrus]

I mean even without casting 2 spells it's good

[[ponder]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/159/ponder

Ponder <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order. You may shuffle.
Draw a card.
Tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today.

[fallow citrus]

it's basically 2 mana ponder in standard

then you add the second part and it just breaks the card in half

[hidden ermine]

Oh no the card does read insane just thought its not something you'd be able to shotgun on turn 2 for full value

[golden plover]

Yeah you do need 2 cards in the yard

But remember that Izzet has a ridiculous amount of draw/discard now too

They can [[Winternight Stories]] or [[Traumatic Critique]] it to get it live in one card WITH UPSIDE

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/67/winternight-stories

Winternight Stories <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw three cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard a creature card.
Harmonize (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its harmonize cost. You may tap a creature you control to reduce that cost by , where X is its power. Then exile this spell.)

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/239/traumatic-critique

Traumatic Critique <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Traumatic Critique deals X damage to any target. Draw two cards, then discard a card.
"The artist should suffer for their craft, not the audience!" —Galazeth Prismari

[golden plover]

Oh and all of this reduces the cost of that fuckass crab by 2

[knotty ferry]

Literally me

I'm watching a few long form vids on magic and people keep saying that pro magic isn't as good as it was/has died. Has anything changed with the tournament structure or how pros operate nowadays compared to, say, 10 years ago? Or is it just people dooming/having nostalgia

[fallow citrus]

yeah it has changed big time

[hidden ermine]

Quite a lot has changed yeah

[copper pecan]

wotc used to promote competitive play a lot more but they eventually realized that barely anyone cares about who wins the pro tour so they promote it a lot less now

[hidden ermine]

That, changes to the format and prizing, plus changes to how locals are integrated into the competitive structure iirc

[knotty ferry]

Damn

[sleek ferry]

Wasn’t the biggest change that pros used to get fully refunded for their expenses, now they only get a stipend?

I remember that being a big deal around Covid

[golden plover]

Oh my God I can't catch a break this morning... 3 matches and all 3 have been against Jeskai Black. In the third match they were running Cruelclaw's Heist and grabbed my annex off it game 1 and 3 (it wasn't even in my hand in game 3 they drew it)

We should ban the lute so I don't have to waste my time against this fucking deck on arena

I don't really care about the lute but it's lead to 75% of my games being Jeskai control shit smh

[sleek ferry]

@stark skiff High key, aetherdrift collectors are underrated

I like a lot of the alt treatments for aetherdrift

even some of the piss treatments

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/Mengu09/status/2049493100784210103?s=20

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09)

Can you believe that this card was banned in Standard 3 years ago? Simpler times. 🥲 #MTGStandard

X · Apr 29, 2026, 2:16 PM

[subtle sierra]

i miss him tbh

it was a cute draw engine in non blue control decks

ig we have mazemind in foundations now but i still miss him

[sleek ferry]

Man makes it sound like a colorless draw engine for 2 mana wasn’t absolutely busted

There’s a reason we haven’t gotten another one since

Pros will be like “remember when….” And then point to some degenerate ass format and be like “those were the good times”

That’s how premodern exists for some reason

Despite being some boomer ass, degen ass format

[fallow citrus]

premodern is fine it's the community around it

[sleek ferry]

The format itself is ass, the community being omega cringe is just the cherry on top

I say this, because the majority of premodern players, are the same ones that complain about standard

[glad peak]

Remember when smokestack was a good card? Good times

[atomic harness]

Remember tangle wire, mudkip-san?

[subtle sierra]

ngl give me back invoke despair

[atomic harness]

Critic I miss esper legends

[glad peak]

just heard someone complaining about someone playing their stax deck

the stax deck? a deck with protection and removal spells

had to call this guy out for never playing against a stax deck (and actually playing one himself, early on he asked me to make one for him)

[knotty ferry]

I'm reading the cards in my precon and everything is centered around counters holy shit

Thank god I bought counter dice

[sleek ferry]

What’d you pull out of your sample pack

[knotty ferry]

Nah I was reading the cards online

My stuff arrives in the mail later today

[sleek ferry]

oh, yeah, well built precons have a theme through out

others like Terra, end up being all over the place

[knotty ferry]

Sigh I still love terra-sama

[atomic harness]

What's your precon litle one

[sleek ferry]

he got tidus

which I also want to get

[atomic harness]

Ballista-chan

[steady onyx]

renren-sama

[sleek ferry]

holy, I forgot he was in that precon

let's see if spatula can figure out the win con

himself

[atomic harness]

Hello areo

[sleek ferry]

incoming areo question of "should i play x shitty deck or y shitty deck in pauper, or do i just buy into vintage"

[steady onyx]

im buying into vintage babayyyyyyyyy

[steady onyx]

nah just wanna say hi

bro i wish standard was cheaper

i rly wanna play but its just so expensive rn

[sleek ferry]

Just play a budget deck

[steady onyx]

wait look at this cool deck i fund

look

https://archidekt.com/decks/20713648/brightglass_deserts

[sleek ferry]

Just play lessons

it plays on a different axis than other izzet decks

and is cheap

[steady onyx]

but i dont like izzett

i like uhh

idk

decks

[sleek ferry]

I mean saying you don't like izzet is a pretty wide range of strats not to like

[knotty ferry]

Shouldn't be hard? You can use proliferate and tidus to stack counters on ballista

And you can use the ballista to clear the way for combat or to kill your opp

Well, that can be one of the wincons

Reading the other cards, there's definitely other ways to win

Through combat + using the removal they give you

The kimahri card is sick

Wtf I wish we had that in standard

Idc if it would be good, the effect is hella cool

[sleek ferry]

pull it up

idr which one that is

[knotty ferry]

[[kimahri valiant guardian]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/85/kimahri-valiant-guardian

Kimahri, Valiant Guardian <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
Vigilance
Ronso Rage — At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Kimahri and tap target creature an opponent controls. Then you may have Kimahri become a copy of that creature, except its name is Kimahri, Valiant Guardian and it has vigilance and this ability.
3/3

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

oh yeah, this is really cool

kimahri is also a 🐐

[knotty ferry]

Fax

Idk how much of an issue it is but the deck doesn't have much counter spells, only removal

I guess that's fine

Well what I mean is

Protecting your guys might be hard

But I guess if your opponents can't pressure you because you remove their cards, it's chill

I'll go to commander night tomorrow, there's a couple places near me that run it

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/one-of-us-oneofus-join-us-you're-in-welcome-gif-10917376549346488353

[knotty ferry]

Relax Adam

Not yet

I still feel like 4 players has to be so fucking unserious

[steady onyx]

so so

@knotty ferry

[knotty ferry]

But I'm giving it a try

[steady onyx]

when are we vc commander?

im free tonight

vc play some commander

using webcam

[knotty ferry]

Yeah beo

[steady onyx]

you have found the issue with commander!!

[knotty ferry]

1v1

Commander

[steady onyx]

??

no

me u thugs renren

[knotty ferry]

Thugs doesn't have a webcam

And he's busy walking his bathroom

[steady onyx]

well then bio

idk

[knotty ferry]

I eliminated bio

@atomic harness

[atomic harness]

You did...

[knotty ferry]

Cupsy way is next

And then Badgermole cub

🕵️

None will stand in the way of my warpath

[sleek ferry]

badgermole cub did nothing wrong

I rather Sean Wan Shi Tong gone first

[knotty ferry]

Bro that card is the goat

I want a copy

[glad peak]

4 players isnt serious yep

But we play tournaments of unserious games in the first place so it’s all good

Just don’t get caught up by the people who get salty over it

[knotty ferry]

Dont worry I wont

[sleek ferry]

Spatula is a reasonable person much like me

If you get salty, see us outside pussy

[knotty ferry]

I almost never get salty at games

If I lose bc it was in my control, I'm just mad at myself

If I lose bc it was out of my control, what's the point in getting emotional about it if I can't control it

[sleek ferry]

hopefully you get a good group of people to play with

I usually find outside of cedh, all the people that play bracket 4/high powered are also relatively cool

[knotty ferry]

Wait what happens if 7 people show up to commander night

Lol

Or 6 or 5 or anything not a multiple of 4

[sleek ferry]

probably have one pod just run 3 tbh

but, commander night is usually filled with people

so i wouldn't worry too much about that

[knotty ferry]

What bracket do I join with my precon

[subtle sierra]

surely you don't always get a number divisable by 4

[knotty ferry]

Also I assume some people are like

They have 3 but they're waiting on a specific 4th so you can't join

Anyway I'm sure I'll be able to play

Also do you just ask what bracket they're planning to play?

[sleek ferry]

you just want to look for people that look like they're actually trying to play, and not land pass with no interaction

[knotty ferry]

I can't evaluate that bro, I haven't played this

[sleek ferry]

depends on your locals. My locals waits till commander night starts, and places people for their first pods

[knotty ferry]

Lmk what brackets are off limits

For my precon

[sleek ferry]

then after your first pod you can go anywhere

bracket 1 and cedh basically

anything in between is fine

[knotty ferry]

Sounds good

[sleek ferry]

I would normally say stay away from bracket 2 as those are some crazy timmies, but if it's bracket 2 all precons then that's a good time

[knotty ferry]

Sounds good

[sleek ferry]

Imagine building a deck, and you end up building a 2

like, you just don't like good cards

[knotty ferry]

Fuck bro I wanna go home early, sleeve up, and go to a commander night

TODAY

AHHHHH

I'm actually lowkey hyped

[knotty ferry]

Wtf is bracket 1 then

[sleek ferry]

I'll be honest, I've never seen a bracket 1 game in person

I would assume it's like pauper commander though

[knotty ferry]

Double areo format is crazy

[sleek ferry]

Here

[knotty ferry]

Where

[sleek ferry]

In a way you can understand

Here’s an actual rough explanation

I would ignore the turn count thing

[knotty ferry]

Wtf are game changer again

I forgot

[knotty ferry]

I don't think any of these are in my precon right

[sleek ferry]

Nah, and even then, usually if a game changer is in a precon it’s fine

Especially if you’re playing the precon as is

[knotty ferry]

Cool

I have sol ring, isnt that card broken

Add 2 colorless mana every turn?

Holy

[sleek ferry]

Wait till you draw a hand of land, sol ring and arcane signet

And do that turn 1

[knotty ferry]

Holy

That's broken

That's 4 mana next turn

5 with a land

[sleek ferry]

Imagine expecting Areo to make sense

[glad peak]

yes, sol ring has to get banned but wotc are cowards

[sleek ferry]

Nah, bring back mana crypt

And jeweled lotus

You cowards

[inland folio]

thugs doesnt even have those cards

he just hates poor people

i respect it

[sleek ferry]

I had a jeweled lotus, but I sold it

But jeweled lotus was also the only thing that made high cost commanders worth playing

[inland folio]

[[jeweled lotus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/396/jeweled-lotus

Jeweled Lotus <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add three mana of any one color. Spend this mana only to cast your commander.
"I've seen my share of baubles, minister. Whatever ostentatious bit of glitter you have there won't convince me to ... Oh my." —Emperor Ayrelion

[sleek ferry]

Now, the only common high cost commander we see is [[etali, primal conqueror]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness

Etali, Primal Conqueror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Trample
When Etali enters, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
: Transform Etali. Activate only as a sorcery.
7/7

Etali, Primal Sickness
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elder Dinosaur
Trample, indestructible
Whenever Etali deals combat damage to a player, they get that many poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
The contagion spreads and the Multiverse quakes.
11/11

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/MTGSecretLair/status/2049538297815331066

MTG Secret Lair (@MTGSecretLair)

Mark Rosewater has something he can’t wait to tell you. Find out more tomorrow at 9AM.

X · Apr 29, 2026, 5:16 PM

[inland folio]

im ngl i dont understand why commander has a banlist

[glad peak]

same

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, the people that banned jeweled lotus basically lost their jobs

[inland folio]

isnt shit like ancestral recall and flash banned in commander too

[glad peak]

tbh if the argument for commander's banlist is to maintain balance then they should balance it around cedh and the rest of the community can just rule 0, which is something people argue for anyways

[sleek ferry]

But due to the shit show that was that ban announcement, I think WotC is trying to keep the good faith of the community by not unbanning jlo and macrypt

[sudden lava]

New SL announced tomorrow

[glad peak]

recall is banned alongside most of the power 9 (not you timetwister) and flash is banned explicitly for cedh

New SL? must be a day that ends in day

[inland folio]

i mean yeah i agree with that

[sleek ferry]

I mean, this is what they’ve been doing for a while now no?

Nadu didn’t get banned for bracket 2

[inland folio]

dont cedh players really want smothering tithe and rhystic study banned

[sleek ferry]

Maybe rhystic

Not smothering tithe

[inland folio]

[[smothering tithe]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/57/smothering-tithe

Smothering Tithe <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest

[inland folio]

isnt this just rhystic but instead of infinite cards you have infinite mana

[glad peak]

nope, at least publicly at least

[sleek ferry]

At least

[inland folio]

its also harder to go under

[glad peak]

flash is the only one where they publicly stated it was the only card banned because of cedh

[inland folio]

[[trade secrets]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/64/trade-secrets

Trade Secrets <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target opponent draws two cards, then you draw up to four cards. That opponent may repeat this process as many times as they choose.

[sudden lava]

this one is a new tcg apparently

[glad peak]

nadu was a menace in brackets 1-5

[sleek ferry]

I mean it doesn’t have to be said publicly to see what the bans are affecting

[inland folio]

oh this is funnny

[[paradox engine]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/aer/169/paradox-engine

Paradox Engine <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, untap all nonland permanents you control.
"One look at this glorious item convinced me that Kaladesh deserved my full attention. Sure enough, my time here has yielded exquisite fruit." —Tezzeret

[inland folio]

sounds broken