#Magic the Gathering

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inland folio
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Well I mean it’s designed for commander

sleek ferry
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It shines in commander games, but you could include it in a main set

inland folio
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wtf is this

tardy echo
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Rebalancing the effects and the R/R without politics in the lens

subtle sierra
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difficult deck

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idt "just draw the right cards" is particularly difficult

tardy echo
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The difficult part is winning with the deck

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Because it’s bad

subtle sierra
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yeah

inland folio
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NEW DECK STANDERD! !

subtle sierra
inland folio
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Why am I seeing a lot of Japanese mtg decklists

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Does Twitter think I’m in Japan

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The solarbym pile

sleek ferry
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They had a big prerelease event for it

subtle sierra
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good list

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i'm not sure how i feel about seam rip rn but otherwise it's on point

tardy echo
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I keep forgetting annul is in standard again

sleek ferry
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You don’t like the best 1 drop removal in the game?

subtle sierra
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it's slow

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and quite often you don't hit what you really need to

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it's good at hitting specifically badger if you go second

glad peak
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I completely forgot doj was in standard

fallow citrus
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it'd be [[eladamri's call]]

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subtle sierra
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it's in foundations

glad peak
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Exactly icant

fallow citrus
glad peak
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They keep patching foundations nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
fallow citrus
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the bird?

sleek ferry
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Yeah

tardy echo
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He’s not just the bird he’s The Bird unglorp respect my goat

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Skycoach blink cub btw @sleek ferry take notes

fallow citrus
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just cause he's a dude you can flash in and then blink to dodge removal?

sleek ferry
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Almost

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Blink your aven interrupter/aang/riddler

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While under high noon

fallow citrus
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ohhh lol

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I'm not on good uw

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I'm on uw control

sleek ferry
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I only got like 7-8 more months of aven, I’m going to use him until he rotates

fallow citrus
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I mean valid

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I just need to farm wildcards to play something new rn

sleek ferry
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Just farm at the minimum 5 wins a day

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The optimal is 8 wins, but 5 is fine

inland folio
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I thought 10 was the optimal

sleek ferry
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15 is technically the optimal, but you can get by just doing until they stop giving you 50 gold

knotty ferry
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On the play and on the draw is so cringe btw

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Just say first or second

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I know it's minor but it's troll

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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Does it

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I guess man

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Btw

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Actually nvm

sleek ferry
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Spit it out Sean Nigam

knotty ferry
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I was gonna ask which set has the most dual lands but I think imma just use the cheap ones

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I wanna try an actual control deck

sleek ferry
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They both have shocks

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EoE also has planet lands

subtle sierra
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ngl sos has lute and slow lands for both boros and izzet

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if you want jeskai

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and capstone

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and critique

sleek ferry
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EoE has enemy color shocks and Lorwyn has allied color shocks

knotty ferry
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👍 good gameplay

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Turn 3 btw

twilit canyon
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a pyroclasm here would go well with this

sleek ferry
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Where’s your withering whatever it’s called

knotty ferry
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Whats that

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Oh

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Withering curse

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That would go hard

sleek ferry
fallow citrus
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oh this looks sick

tardy echo
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[[grave researcher]]

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Creature — Troll Warlock
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. Then if there are three or more creature cards in your graveyard, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
3/3

Reanimate manab
Sorcery
Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. You lose life equal to that card's mana value.

tardy echo
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Oh ya

twilit canyon
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but yea this has been worked on for a while

glad peak
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Oh this deck

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Yeah it’s pretty mid but oculus is good enough to carry decks that can get it out

twilit canyon
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weakest part of the list is grave researcher

tardy echo
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Weren’t people playing this in esper for emptiness/helping hand for a while

twilit canyon
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no cus researcher is from sos

glad peak
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[[helping hand]]

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glad peak
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I’m surprised only 1 mockingbird but 4 looter

sleek ferry
twilit canyon
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yea

sleek ferry
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Looter is fineish for copying you moon

tardy echo
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Also surely you don’t need 3 gran grans here

inland folio
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If it’s control he can probs get away with scry lands in the surveil slot tho no?

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@subtle sierra what’s ur control list look like

glad peak
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He should just run the surveils since you want them for other formats too

inland folio
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Well they’re rares

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So I’m saying to save on wild cards

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While he gets the rest of the deck

sleek ferry
inland folio
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I just saw this

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lol

knotty ferry
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[[emet selch the unsundered]]

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No card found for “emet selch the unsundered”

knotty ferry
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[[emet selch unsundered]]

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Legendary Creature — Elder Wizard
Vigilance
Whenever Emet-Selch enters or attacks, draw a card, then discard a card.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are fourteen or more cards in your graveyard, you may transform Emet-Selch.
2/4

Hades, Sorcerer of Eld
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Vigilance
Echo of the Lost — During your turn, you may play cards from your graveyard.
If a card or token would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.
"What will become of our triumphs? Our hopes? Our... our despair?"
6/6

knotty ferry
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Holy

burnt relic
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this echoes of eternity shit is so funny

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cannot wait until i get to resolve 30 oblivion sower cast triggers irl and make new enemies

twilit canyon
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truth nuke? no just a regular nuke as you take every turn forever on emrakul cast

subtle sierra
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i've also been trying 4 critique in arena

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there's also the theory for running abrade in main now

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control irl tends to run into time issues, so realistically it's all down to g1, so having techs that work generically but are great into control are important

knotty ferry
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Modern players explain this meme

twilit canyon
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energy is just kind of a simple deck

zinc shard
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Apparently I got accepted to Quandrix and Silverquill?

twilit canyon
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also popular

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[[ocelot pride]]

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Creature — Cat
First strike, lifelink
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
At the beginning of your end step, if you gained life this turn, create a 1/1 white Cat creature token. Then if you have the city's blessing, for each token you control that entered this turn, create a token that's a copy of it.
1/1

subtle sierra
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this kitty gave me 120 euro

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also yeah you absolutely want to main abrade rn

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i didn't have a counter up so i dropped lute t4

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they did the same

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if i didn't have rev the game gets fucked

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if they had abrade or smth i would have been fucked

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abrade also lets you drop lute t5 and abrade their lute

trail anvil
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how much lute are you seeing rn?

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also damn witherbloom feels so fuckin clean as a brawl commander, tried making silverquill work before and it just wasn't clicking. this is so much better 😩

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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I guess doubling mana is pretty good frogethink

subtle sierra
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you can't be braindead about it sometimes cause skipping t4 can lose you the game, but it's otherwise fine

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you can simply wait a turn or two

fallow citrus
atomic harness
sleek ferry
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not using the jp berserk art

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what a noob

golden plover
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Testing out Annex and Delian feels BUSTED

sleek ferry
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which one is delian again

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oh professor

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yeah, that deck is amazing

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I think it's a real contender

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it's also just genuinely uninteractive once you get the emblem

tardy echo
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I hope dellian spawns emblem discourse once more in standard

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What is crazy is that he not only gets it after 1 turn but still survives if you just go straight +2 > ultimate

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And then sits there and threatens burn 3/draw a card/free removal

atomic harness
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Thank you cake

sleek ferry
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like I basically never 0

tardy echo
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I 0 quite often shrug

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There are plenty of games where having the extra card threatens more than just 3 damage

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Ral has also been performing incredibly well

sleek ferry
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I'm running Abzan right now

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only creature I'm running is 4x Doorkeeper Thrull

tardy echo
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Well in a deck like that then yeah you always +2 icant

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But plenty of other decks have other things they can be doing

sleek ferry
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sigh kiddo, you don't see the vision

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Ajani + Dellian actually play off each other well

golden plover
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In that he's got a similar play pattern

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Also emblem + the annex drain is NASTY

tardy echo
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Fair is a strong word

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He’s a less strong oko

sleek ferry
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yeah, I don't think dellian is fair at all

tardy echo
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But it’s equally terrible to interact with him as oko was

sleek ferry
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the only "fair" thing about dellian is that he's 4 mana instead of 3

golden plover
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I mean if Delian has to downtick on etb he's in prime removal range

sleek ferry
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if you're down ticking with nothing else going on, then yeah, you're in a pickle, but you were in a pickle regardless

tardy echo
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Isn’t one of the #1 gamefeel complaints people have about them is that they normally dont help as much in bad games as good ones icant

sleek ferry
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btw, I'm on 4x Defend the Rider, and this has to be the funniest card ever

golden plover
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I dunno, I definitely think Delian feels crazy

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But he's answerable

tardy echo
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Oko was also technically answerable the issue is that no matter what it feels bad to interact with him

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[[defend the rider]]

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sleek ferry
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erode should see an uptick in play

tardy echo
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Man mount was such a funny mechanic

golden plover
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I think another big difference is that the Golgari core is strong, but nowhere near the Simic core Oko had access to

sleek ferry
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The issue with the Golgari core pre SoS was that it was good, but it was directly countered by what was in the meta

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we forget that golgari mid was a viable deck for like 18 months

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or so

golden plover
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Oh speaking of the Golgari core

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I found the tech

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People are sleeping on [[Ygra, Eater of All]] rn

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golden plover
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There's not a deck in the meta that runs removal that trades favorably into him

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Doesn't get bounced by Sunderflock, prowess can't swing into him on the ground, Dimir can't touch him, and everything else has to 2 for 1 themselves

sleek ferry
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Ygra has been an on/off tech since release basically

golden plover
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You HAVE to have a boardwipe or he's UNKILLABLE

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If mono-green sees him they might as well pick up their cards and go home lol

sleek ferry
golden plover
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Are you not running [[Firdoc Core]]s?

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sleek ferry
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I am

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I just didnt' draw into it

golden plover
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Ahh fair

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Also

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Damn I'm sick of Izzet

sleek ferry
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they tried to pop annex and I defend the ridered it, then drew another icant

golden plover
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They gotta hit something in these decks man

sleek ferry
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Lessons is fine, I think the big issue with prowess is, there’s not a single hit that feels good

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I also think rhytmn decks are going way down post SoS

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and Jeskai control is going way up

golden plover
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I think the realistic hit is at least stormchasers

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Although I know lessons moved away from it

sleek ferry
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Jeskai Revelation finally doesn't feel like a terrible cope card

golden plover
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But I feel like if nothing else stormchasers needs to go

sleek ferry
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They'll probably wait to see what happens at the PT next weekend and then go from there

subtle sierra
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3-0 in locals

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Ignore we had 4 ppl

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Apparently hitting rev 2 turns in a row with capstone is good or smth

golden plover
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Dude we gotta take Ketramose away from arena players

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They didn't scoop until this boardstate, when they were topdecking for 8 turns

golden plover
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I love being in casual commander chats: "My number one commander ban would be Farewell". Bro we cannot be banning a 6 mana sorcery for wiping the board

tardy echo
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Unban mana crypt ban farewell

glad peak
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you should counter with "My number one commander ban would be [your commander]"

tardy echo
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My number one commander ban would be stock up

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Stock up would also be my number 1 ban in standard, pioneer, modern, legacy, and vintage

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gg?

glad peak
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My number one commander ban would be every legendary creature and planeswalker and artifact

knotty ferry
golden plover
knotty ferry
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Ty

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Oh wow I didn't realize the boros mobilize deck was actually somewhat meta

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I've played vs it, seemed strong, but I didn't see it on mtggoldfish

tardy echo
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Reality fracture would be the perfect time for garruk to show up and no diff Jace AND Fraudjani AND oko grudge match for good measure

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Word me @sleek ferry @twilit canyon

glad peak
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if the concept art is correct, garruk's showing up to fight alt garruk and someone else (i forgor)

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but garruk's grudge match wouldn't be with any of them, he has a grudge solely with liliana icant

twilit canyon
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garruk oiled up fighting oko and ajani and jace and winning

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would be peak

tardy echo
zinc shard
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Opponent got the most cracked Sealed Pool of all time

sleek ferry
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What do you think of the sentiment that white emeritus is just better Beza? @twilit canyon

twilit canyon
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well they do very different things in the end so

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not a very big fan of that

sleek ferry
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White emeritus probably has broader appeal for tempo decks, while doing nothing vs control ig

twilit canyon
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yeah what it does vs control is significantly worse than beza

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and what it does over beza vs other decks is also not as impressive

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both are by all means 4 mana plays but you can end up not being able to use that 4th mana

sleek ferry
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Yeah of course. It’s hard because I can’t think of another example of instant removal on a body, let alone recurrable instant removal on a body

sleek ferry
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I need this mat

tardy echo
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They took away his abs…

golden plover
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Where is Chandra's nose

glad peak
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You don’t see the angle?

knotty ferry
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Nicol bolas?

tardy echo
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Ugin

zinc shard
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Ugin, Oko, Chandra, and The Wandering Emperor (idk if she has a name)

tardy echo
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Wanderer Chandra oko

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She doesn’t

knotty ferry
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Pretty cute

glad peak
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if we go by maro, the wanderer's name is your name icant

subtle sierra
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wow thanks maro i didn't know i was a woman

golden plover
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The Wanderer has a name but no one is allowed to know it as long as she rules Kamigawa

tardy echo
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Wow I thought she was just born and her parents said “your name is wanderer”

sleek ferry
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Yeah, just how you were born, and your parents named you “Fabulous”

glad peak
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i wish the theory of the wanderer being emrakul trying to emulate a planeswalker was real

golden plover
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Would've been cool

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Maybe not the wanderer now but it'd be neat

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Hell, there's even card art of Emrakul as an angel

glad peak
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yeah, back when it was war

golden plover
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Why is Emeria on the art of Greater Auramancy?

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Why is she on Theros??

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This card's art makes no sense

copper pecan
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that's not emeria

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it's just someone who looks sort of like her

golden plover
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Is it not? It's got the tentacles and wings in her exact style

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She even has the hood

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This art was totally supposed to be Emeria at some point

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Also Theros has no angels, they have Archons instead

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Wait she even has the belt buckle

glad peak
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there's still a ton of mysteries about theros, maybe she was in theros at some point on a joyride and saw gods and wanted to harness their power for a bit nyaruhodo

golden plover
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That art is 1000% supposed to be Emeria but it's on Theros for some reason

trail anvil
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like a Costco sample of power

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"mm tastes like chocolate"

glad peak
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and the only reason why theros people didn't mutate was because no one believed she existed nyaruhodo

golden plover
glad peak
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i wonder what the full plane's name is

golden plover
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Theros

glad peak
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maybe it's the planechase name but i can't remember what it was

golden plover
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Tbf they could believe in a new continent probably

glad peak
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oh the continent and the plane are both theros?

golden plover
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Yup

glad peak
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it's like on earth we have a continent called earth

golden plover
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The plane is called Theros as well

copper pecan
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there aren't any other continents on theros

trail anvil
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oh man it'd be so fun to start a cult over a new potential continent

twilit canyon
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finally, first 7 win in this draft.
i've been liking it so far but having been stuck at 5-6 wins was a bit annoying

golden plover
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It's got all slightly different Gods

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Heliod is dead? Well Julesvern isn't

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There's also the whole thing about Elspeth being the new Sun God which is... Very weird considering she's also her

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So Elspeth can meet Theros Elspeth

sleek ferry
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Mail day @stark skiff

tardy echo
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Do you like my headcanon it’s only slightly more fanboyish than the ending of the invasion arc @sleek ferry

tardy echo
sleek ferry
trail anvil
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is the aesi for triggering your table

sleek ferry
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Maybe nyaruhodo

golden plover
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Breaking typeline conventions btw just to make it more "hidden"

lusty trench
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Emrakul chilling in the moon eating chips on the couch feeling reality shift around her: "that fucking jace boy again..."

tardy echo
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Reality shifted eldrazi where emrakul was the jobber and Ulamog got trapped in the core of the earth

lusty trench
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Reality shifted tibalt where he's competent

golden plover
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Does he actually get a good card this time?

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Ohh it'd be cute if his reality shifted card is super high mana cost but crazy and Kaya's is super low mana cost

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Fr tho, why is Kaya's gimmick having cards that cost like 13 mana in Orzhov

lusty trench
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No planeswalkers are good

golden plover
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Sorry but Delian is broken

lusty trench
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Unless you are specifically a rodent wielding mentally handicapped individual

golden plover
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He's an outlier but he's GOOD

lusty trench
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Eh I'll believe it when I see it

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4 mana destroy target creature or lose one life draw 1 sounds mid to me

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Unless you mean plus two into emblem in which case... ehhh

glad peak
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4 mana destroy target creature on a planeswalker is fine

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plus 2 into emblem is a win con, which is great because the opponent has to go into the matchup vs lots of removal and they actually have to figure out how to kill fel

twilit canyon
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delian only takes 2 turns to ult into an actually significant ult

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hes genuinely very powerful

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maybe the best card in the set without question

lusty trench
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I guess I'm just missing the context of what makes the emblem good in standard

twilit canyon
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gaining life is actually trivial but he'd +2 after to drain 3

glad peak
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he's a self contained win condition that works better with multiples of him

twilit canyon
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he is his own wincon/clock

glad peak
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you don't need anything else

lusty trench
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Won't he be left on 1 after getting the emblem?

twilit canyon
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yeah but any future delian will pick off where the first left off

glad peak
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yes but unless you're on red it's hard to beat through it and there's always fels 2-4

twilit canyon
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that or, your gb deck is capable of defending him

lusty trench
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Im probably just too used to different standards, been a while since I played

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Is standard slow enough to facilitate this rn?

twilit canyon
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yes and no

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you can easily slow the game down if you know what you are doing tho

lusty trench
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(Last time I played was monstrous rage mouse and slick shot)

glad peak
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it's more of a case that fel's just good as a standalone card since it does everything you want a planeswalker to do, aside from maybe how self-contained his win con is

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ral slows down the game drastically too

lusty trench
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If bros so good whys he £6 334 (im trolling on this one)

glad peak
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because money is fake nyaruhodo

lusty trench
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The greedy bastard in me tells me that ral is better

glad peak
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you just play both nyaruhodo

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ral's great because you just keep forcing discards lol

lusty trench
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Wait are the emeritus memes or not?

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I can see the blue one seeing play cause that's "answer me or i outvalue the shit out of you", but the black one has no protection

tardy echo
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Or they don’t answer and he just kills you

tardy echo
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Afaik green is the only one that’s actually seen tournament success so far but white is also probably fine

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Blue has seen play also but mostly in the side

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But this seems pretty shit compared to what you can be doing in golgari lol

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Also been seeing a notable amount of lists on tragedy feaster + annex

glad peak
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yep feaster is very good

tardy echo
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I mean I think it’s a fine card but more of the power is prob in annex there

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But generally a trend w BG post sos is that it forces you to fork your answers and it ends up being impossible to actually deal with everything

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At least from my gameplay experiences so far

glad peak
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a 4 mana 7/6 with trample is great on rate and near impossible to answer if you can stick it on board nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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I’m not 100% if it would actually see play despite that without annex

glad peak
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i think if there was an easier way to gain life consistently it would still be played if annex wasn't legal

tardy echo
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Well yeah that’s a notable if

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But it is nice that it synergizes p well with both of your burn conditions

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It would be cool if sos led to a big meta shakeup w something like that

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bg has not had a large presence in v long

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Wasn’t it rotation last year lol

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There were some other cope things between then and now but def not in the same way it was at that point

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And, as cool and good as that deck was, it also wasn’t actually super present in the format

sleek ferry
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Izzet was dog shit in standard pre Vivi, way longer than BG has been unviable

tardy echo
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?

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Do you mean tdm lol

sleek ferry
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Yeah, I forgot that came first

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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But, izzet was some cope shit post izzet dragons till exactly then

tardy echo
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Regardless i just think it’s annoying when dimir/izzet have both been extremely overbearingly present for over a year straight

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I think both are cool color combos just overstayed their welcome

sleek ferry
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Idk, I like that izzet is doing a bunch of different things, and it’s not all just the same deck

tardy echo
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They’re all doing different things but they also all have the same suspects in each idk

sleek ferry
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Lessons is a much different deck than spellementals which is a much different deck than prowess

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Not really?

tardy echo
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I think lessons is fine

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But between spellementals/prowess/self bounce the gameplay loop gets incredibly tiresome

sleek ferry
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Also, I think Golgari is just better than Dimir now

tardy echo
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Good trueform

sleek ferry
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While having a good matchup into it

tardy echo
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Gruul next

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And then jund…

sleek ferry
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I would rather see Sultai

tardy echo
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Sultai would be cool but really I’m just fucking sick of blue

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If I see stock up into stock up resolve one more time I might blow up

sleek ferry
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Or bant mill would be cool

tardy echo
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That was like a half theme in snc wasn’t it

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Anyways the actual colors I wanna see make a comeback are abzan and naya…

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The reanimation stuff from iko was a really cool direction for abzan

sleek ferry
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Professor does a lot for that color combo

tardy echo
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Playable sure but I wish it had better unique tools as an actual color combo

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I miss ultimatums worrysad

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They cockteased with jeskai rev

trail anvil
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I mean we have ultimatum level spells in each wedge nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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Do we even

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I know we do in the tarkir wedges but idt Alara shards have anything like that

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And also there’s still a p big power diff between stuff like jeskai rev and perennation icant

trail anvil
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tarkir wedges* yeah

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not all ultimatums are created equal pensivecowboybread

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oh wait temur doesn't even have one icant

tardy echo
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Punishment for genesis being good

atomic harness
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Abzan revelation holy

stark skiff
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Rest is alright

sleek ferry
glad peak
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The optimal aesi is the genshin impact crossover

stark skiff
atomic harness
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I'm giving you the tataru taru draw

stark skiff
zinc shard
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get ready to see more cards from the next set in prerelease kits

sudden lava
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and ah yes, ||Prowess 2||

zinc shard
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Ah my bad, either way I doubt that was the last one we'll see

zinc shard
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Wonder if Teamworks gonna be like convoke

sleek ferry
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Agent Maria hill looks too good for limited

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So does iron man

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Those being uncommons is kinda insane

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I imagine teamwork will be convoke but for legendary creatures

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IE “every legendary creature can tap to play for 1 mana of any color in this creature’s cost”

subtle sierra
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finally resolved math

golden plover
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Yeah Ygra is SO GOOD rn

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Literally no deck in the meta can answer him cleanly

subtle sierra
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[[ygdra eater]]

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subtle sierra
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it's ygra???

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[[ygra eater]]

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subtle sierra
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well ig i don't have to prepare for her

knotty ferry
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What's the bottom left card

lusty trench
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Abrade

golden plover
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And imo if you're not running 1-2 ygra you're losing

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Card says "target Izzet opponent loses the game"

subtle sierra
knotty ferry
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Ty

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Ty

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Holy I'm lagging

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Bro I need that Japanese bitter triumph

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God the Japanese arts are so sexy

subtle sierra
golden plover
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That's fair. All the standard Izzet variants can't get him off the board

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He outgrows Dimir

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And Jeskai is kinda the only thing playing boardwipes

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In Dimir and the mirror it's also a 2 for 1 to kill him

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I think he's uniquely posituined as a vaguely unkillable creature rn

subtle sierra
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sadly growing doesn't matter much for me

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nor do i have creatures

golden plover
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Yeah but that also means you'll never kill him

subtle sierra
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🤷‍♂️

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it's not like i don't play bounces

golden plover
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You can't bounce him without a creature

subtle sierra
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oh yeah right

golden plover
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Yup, that's why I think he's such a good clock rn

subtle sierra
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guess i just have to get to lute faster 🤷‍♂️

golden plover
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Yeah probably

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It's just a race of wincons then

fallow citrus
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do izzet decks not play mistrise?

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feel like that would be a simple addition to be able to bounce ygra

subtle sierra
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non control variants don't

golden plover
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The card shop near my boyfriend's house is selling scalper prices lol

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They're selling the Silverquill one at $90???

lusty trench
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What does the deck even have? Land tax?

golden plover
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Literally

sleek ferry
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@stark skiff I think I found my new favorite casual commander

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Out of a precon of all places

tardy echo
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I’m p sure the main reason silverquill is so popular is just bc it’s the strongest of the precons

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At least from what I’ve heard

sleek ferry
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I don’t feel like it is tbh

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It def has the highest floor

tardy echo
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Shrug I didn’t look too hard at them

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The 2 main things I hear is that rootha feels bad and killian feels really good

sleek ferry
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But yeah [[hazel of the root bloom]] is kinda the goat

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tardy echo
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Holy

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Golgari has a ton of cool commanders

golden plover
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The tradeoff is that she's Simic Ramp

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The Silverquill one is probably the second best

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But it's more interesting and has the politics stuff casual players like

past socket
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Big fan of the original Beledros Witherbloom thanks to a Secret Santa thing

stark skiff
stark skiff
golden plover
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Rootha just feels like her strategy is too over the place

stark skiff
sleek ferry
sleek ferry
golden plover
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Yeah I think the lorehold is the strongest with support

stark skiff
sleek ferry
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I bought the Terra precon, and holy shit that precon had 0 direction when they made it

stark skiff
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Terra is amazing but yeah the precon needs work. Some pieces are there

golden plover
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Yeah they kinda don't know how to make Mardu precons

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Mardu Surge is bad too

sleek ferry
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Tbf, most 3c+ precons they make end up being eh

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Creative energy from aetherdrift was ass

stark skiff
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Yea but the zombie one was dope

sleek ferry
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Family matters from Bloomburrow was good

stark skiff
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Most people didn’t like him lol

golden plover
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Yeah Hashaton is one of the coolest commanders ever

sleek ferry
golden plover
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Dude does so much shit

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Hashaton is also cedh viable

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Big fan of him

stark skiff
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He’s just okay

past socket
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Not the greatest for the precon itself but absolutely

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A lot like Arthur in Family Matters

glad peak
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Been having a lot more success with celes after I retooled it to be less ad naus focused

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Very cool

past socket
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Arthur is not as good as Hashbrowns but still

stark skiff
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Arthur is fun

sleek ferry
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I opened a borderless Celes out of my commander sample pack

stark skiff
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Shitting out an Eldrazi from my mouse

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Top 10 mtg moment

fallow citrus
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this is making me want to play living end

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seen a couple lists float around now

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[[bloodbraid marauder]]

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Creature — Human Berserker
This creature can't block.
Delirium — This spell has cascade as long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard. (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
3/1

tardy echo
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I forgot this existed

twilit canyon
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i forgot marauder was around too...

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wait living end may be real asf

fallow citrus
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there's so much good in the deck

copper pecan
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[[incubation]]

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copper pecan
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is it playing this just because it's an instant and sorcery for delirium???

fallow citrus
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you can still play violent outburst too because it just turns into bloodbraid which can then get you LE

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yeah but it's the same as malevolent rumble in a way

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you just want to dig for your dudes to bin them

twilit canyon
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outbursts does actually miss here

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with fomo + rumble

fallow citrus
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ohh

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yeah I missed that

twilit canyon
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and cache grab

fallow citrus
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sad times

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I say that but this is probably better than just doing outburst anyway

twilit canyon
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yea

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agreed

fallow citrus
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you actually have some gameplay that isn't just outburst into win

golden plover
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Just lost a game where the Jeskai control player was topdecking. They topdecked flow state into req raid and Jeskai rev. Must be nice 🙂

glad peak
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Living end is real nyaruhodo

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||in modern||

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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What is this clown car sorting

trail anvil
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was about to ping thugs for this until I realized he sent it

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wait why is one aang just randomly in a different row lmao, usually this site's sorting is whack but cake is right, this is fucked

sleek ferry
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You know how people sort their ygo lists like they’re playing Tetris?

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This is the same thing

trail anvil
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so many of her decisions are so questionable 😭 you got multiple 3-ofs to stick the 1-ofs with, why is high noon randomly grouped with the creatures, etc

copper pecan
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i have a question for y'all

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do you think that [[warden of the first tree]] looks like vinny vinesauce

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knotty ferry
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Who

copper pecan
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how do you not know about vincent "melpert" vinesauce

knotty ferry
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never heard of this guy

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i know vsauce

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this his brother?

copper pecan
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no that's an unrelated guy

trail anvil
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does he make pasta sauces? is that how he got his name?

copper pecan
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no he got his name from something to do with mario party iirc

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he did eventually make a sauce but that was after he got his name

trail anvil
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what does a vine sauce taste like?

copper pecan
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it's tangy according to the website

knotty ferry
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i know vine

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related to this guy?

copper pecan
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no

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Vinesauce is the professional name of American live streamer and YouTuber Vincent (born May 12, 1985), also known online as "Vinny Vinesauce". Vinny originally founded Vinesauce in 2010 as a streaming collective of content creators, which gradually became inactive since the late 2010s. The former lineup of the collective comprised Vincent, Darre...

knotty ferry
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bro just made up a person and wrote a wiki article on him

trail anvil
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I wasn't aware that you could extract sauce from the platform vine

golden plover
#

Is there a guaranteed silver scroll in each Strixhaven collectors booster?

sleek ferry
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It’s around 2 silver scrolls per collector box

golden plover
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Gotcha

golden plover
sleek ferry
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That’s a good hit

golden plover
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It's like $15 lol

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I sorta came close to breaking even

sleek ferry
#

Yeah but in general silver scrolls will always be worth something is what I’m saying

golden plover
#

Not awful, not amazing tho

past socket
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Which ones did you get for JP?

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Trying my hardest to remember a black card that has suspend 3 for 2BB

fallow citrus
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[[living end]] no?

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past socket
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Sounds right yeah

golden plover
#

Breaking even on collectors boosters is surprisingly unlikely

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I will say tho, Silver Scrolls look really good in person

sleek ferry
golden plover
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But SoS is HUGELY high roll

sleek ferry
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SoS is more like TDM in terms of high rolling

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EoE is much more forgiving

tardy echo
sleek ferry
#

X-men makes a lot of sense actually

twilit canyon
#

lacks a weeb ub...

sleek ferry
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What was our weeb ub last year

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Or this year

twilit canyon
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i feel like we're gonna see something more anime-esque than danny phantom

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i'd put avatar as weeb-ish

sleek ferry
#

American weebs…

twilit canyon
#

oh final fantasy too

sleek ferry
#

Fuck it, give us demon slayer

twilit canyon
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they'll give us jjk

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bet

copper pecan
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i don't think jjk has enough to work with for a whole set

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i think if we get an anime set it'll probably be like

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naruto or something

glad peak
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jjk may not have enough to work with for a whole set but i don't think that's a big issue for them

copper pecan
#

anyways my bet for ub is dark souls or elden ring

twilit canyon
#

mmm

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i'd like from soft ub

sleek ferry
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I’d prefer Sekiro personally

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Or bloodborne

tardy echo
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Sekiro fills the weeb slot

twilit canyon
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sekiro would fill the greatest set of all time slot actually

tardy echo
#

So true until they print dnd 2 set

sudden lava
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I traded in a very rare skylander and managed to afford not only Megaman Starforce Collection, but ALSO the Terra MTG Precon!

sudden lava
velvet scroll
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ahhh

lusty trench
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I honestly don't know of too many anime series who's world is big enough to support a whole set

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Its mainly just the long shounen series

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FMA, DB, Fairy Tail, Naruto, One piece

fallow citrus
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I think a lot of anime series would benefit just from a small aftermath-like set

lusty trench
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Yeah, if they aren't just lairs you need a lot to make a full set work

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Like the ones I listed above work as full sets but thats mainly because they've been around as series so long

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Except fma that one is just cause its built different

fallow citrus
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My only issue is like if we're making full sets you run into making the same character like 4 different times

lusty trench
#

Like I'm pretty sure those above can fill 130 creature slots but if you asked me what I think demon slayer or jjk could do to pad their lists other than duplicates I wouldn't know what to tell you

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The issue with doing dark souls is the colour pie is heavily tilted, white and green are scarce and red and black are abundant

fallow citrus
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me when the only blue card is an illusory wall

lusty trench
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Nah lot of sorcerers for blue

twilit canyon
#

nahh we can easily fit blue

lusty trench
#

Like my man big hat logan

twilit canyon
#

seath is a blue-adjacent card too

lusty trench
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Sorry I mean Big Hat ""Big Hat"" Logan

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His lore is

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He is called big hat

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Because he has a big hat

twilit canyon
#

big "big hat" hat "hat logan" logan

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lots of blue we can find in the series as a whole tho

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i think white and green wouldnt be terribly difficult to add too

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tho we'd probs need ds1 -> 3 for this

lusty trench
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I'm trying to think who falls into white in the games lore without resorting to giving it to all the protagonists. The maidens? Solaire and Sif? Could pad with some miracle mages like the creepo twins

twilit canyon
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the way of white... even if its not "really" white

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but also, oscar would also be white

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solaire yeah... sif yeah...

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i think u could easily put pontiff sulyvahn as white/x

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esper or mardu creature

lusty trench
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Pontiff would have to have an ability that just makes another one of them, that'd be rad

twilit canyon
#

etb make a copy named differently with his same stat line

lusty trench
#

The BJB having partner would be cool

twilit canyon
#

yo also

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they could do some fun mechanics with coming back to life

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like a fixed/new regenerate

lusty trench
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Could also have some flips into hollow versions if you don't have humanity/effigies/embers

twilit canyon
#

true

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could be mdfcs that flip into the other too

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ie: on your upkeep, remove an ember/humanity/effigy counter, at 0, transform
flipside: at end step, if you did x, gain an ember/humanity/effigy counter. at y, transform

lusty trench
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Have a cheap low mana sif with it getting a lot stronger if you have artorius in the grave and it gains defender

atomic harness
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Let's cast Naruto together @fallow citrus

fallow citrus
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sorry I'm casting sasuke

tardy echo
#

Every card just has fading

twilit canyon
tardy echo
#

You know I’m shocked they never tried to do fading again

twilit canyon
#

fading could be interesting

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fading/vanishing

copper pecan
#

they don't do downside keywords anymore

tardy echo
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Blight dubismile

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They just like giving you options for it now

copper pecan
#

blight is a cost, not a downside

tardy echo
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Or turning it into an upside

#

A huge subtheme in lorwyn is entering with -1/-1 counters

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Anyways considering they tried to fix a ton of old mechanics I’m just surprised they never tried it w that one

atomic harness
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Wait salt

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[[dreamtide whale]]

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twilit canyon
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1 of 100000000000 cards

glad peak
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also it's a mh card, not a new mechanic froghead

atomic harness
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Sigh

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I understand...

knotty ferry
#

bro we should get a magic pokemon set

glad peak
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we should

fallow citrus
#

when are we getting a UB Magic the Gathering set

tardy echo
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Or vanishing stuff with etb and exit triggers

glad peak
#

i wish they made a card with just devour and modular

tardy echo
twilit canyon
#

emeritus of woe is not good but man she's kinda serving

sleek ferry
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[[emeritus of woe]]

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twilit canyon
#

in any case, the new golgari cauldron is fucking bonkers in limited

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best card in my deck by far

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no other synergy needed. card's cracked

subtle sierra
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speaking of golgari

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the 4 mana demon is cute in mono black

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cause he's big and you proc infusion with annex

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i think it would work the same in golgari

twilit canyon
#

oh yeah i've seen it in limited and it seems like a cute interaction

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i feel like the only issue is u want to have more than just the guy

subtle sierra
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i can tell you it was annoying to out as izzet icant

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if it wasn't off capstone it would have been a 4 for 1

twilit canyon
#

hmmm

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cornucopia, delian, annex...

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the demon guy...

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theres probably a deck there

sleek ferry
#

It’s the perfect Timmy card

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While also being fringe playable

twilit canyon
#

u might be right

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idt its fringe playable

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but i do see how it can easily become a hyped commander card

subtle sierra
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i fucking hope so cause i pulled a foil one in prerelease

sleek ferry
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I play it in my casual commander deck, and it’s pretty bonkers there, that’s what I meant about fringe playable

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The fact that it’s a sac outlet + wincon enabler is pretty nice

#

Emeritus of woe is the most expensive regular treatment from the set btw

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The green paradigm is the most expensive paradigm

subtle sierra
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huh

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how

twilit canyon
#

the green paradigm is popular in commander iirc

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same w emeritus of woe

sleek ferry
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Erode is the most expensive rare in the set

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Followed by flashback

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No surprises there

subtle sierra
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i pulled 3 flashback lmao

trail anvil
#

that's a flashback to back to back

tardy echo
#

She’s so hot

tardy echo
tardy echo
#

I’ve been seeing a trend of BG lists becoming consistently slower

subtle sierra
#

I pulled him last locals

tardy echo
#

Only been a week but still

subtle sierra
#

oh wait

tardy echo
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Oh my days that one is hot

subtle sierra
#

lithuanian art

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poggers

twilit canyon
#

wouldnt be surprised if the cards end up becoming meta in golgari midrange if golgari ends up being a real deck

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mostly cus theres already some strong life gain cards you want to run

tardy echo
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Its def the best new deck out of sos

subtle sierra
#

I pulled so much golgari shit

tardy echo
#

When I was laddering I saw someone play the 2 mana look at top 5 from sos and they actually used the draw 2 mode a pretty decent amount

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I wish dinas guidance was better it’s such a cool card

subtle sierra
#

same

sleek ferry
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And will only go up because it’s the ultimate Timmy card

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Btw @atomic harness did you see the boys talk about SoS yet?

atomic harness
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Yeah

sleek ferry
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They sold me on Silverquill as CEDH viable

twilit canyon
subtle sierra
sleek ferry
atomic harness
#

The opus miller guy is neat

#

enables flare of denial too

sleek ferry
#

I still think he’s great in 60 card formats also

twilit canyon
#

yea that card is probably enough for modern mill even if the deck isnt gonna suddenly become viable

sleek ferry
#

Simic/Temur mill is close to being something in standard

#

They legitly just need a mill planeswalker in the meta

#

This is facts

twilit canyon
#

lmfao

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i mean

#

ehhh

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i disagree

#

there are definitely big differences in format feel

sleek ferry
#

It’s not a good limited format at all

#

It’s not as bad as Lorwyn

#

But

#

Tmnt was probably a better limited format high key

#

People just hate on tmnt because it was a UB set + a small set

subtle sierra
#

idk sos sealed was a banger for me

twilit canyon
#

i dont think its the best limited format but its fine

sleek ferry
#

Prerelease is always a banger, but that’s not the format as a whole

twilit canyon
#

i think tmnt is fine too tbf

stark skiff
stark skiff
stark skiff
sleek ferry
#

I would actually be so down for a power rangers UB

knotty ferry
#

Is modern masters just old modern horizons

twilit canyon
#

its a reprint set

#

not printing new cards to any format

#

just reprinting old desired cards

knotty ferry
#

Oh ok

tardy echo
#

There’s also non modern masters sets

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Pioneer masters double masters commander masters

sleek ferry
#

Pioneer masters?

burnt relic
#

are there any apps for goldfishing that don't suck ass or require constant internet

fallow citrus
#

sadly not

tardy echo
#

It is actually

#

Unfort

#

I just remembered that the origins Liliana was in it

sleek ferry
tardy echo
#

Cut me a break holy

sleek ferry
#

Can’t cut you a break when you’re not clocked in

#

And that’s a bar like your employment

golden plover
#

Looks like [[Manhole Missile]]'s art was AI or at least ai assisted

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golden plover
#

Subreddit banned the guy lol, but they left the post up. It could go either way, but that text is sketch

sleek ferry
#

Sometimes I wonder if there’s somebody that looks through every art so they can be like “gotcha, this is AI”

#

It’s such a weird thing to micro analyze unless it’s blatantly obvious tbh

glad peak
#

Am I AI?

sleek ferry
#

You talk like it yeah

glad peak
#

These are the indicators of AI — being robotic but not too robotic, AI is machinery but not a robot

golden plover
#

But this one definitely has some of the indicators (that text)

subtle sierra
#

hmm lesson decks have recently pivoted back to stormchasers

#

make up your minds lol icant

copper pecan
#

the artist who drew this card has done more than 70 other pieces for mtg with no indication that any of those are ai so everything points to this not being ai

golden plover
#

Yeah true. I just saw the reddit post and there's definitely a decent argument considering that text

knotty ferry
trail anvil
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idk like who does this help

subtle sierra
#

the person who wants to be angry

past socket
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Some people just have nothing they can put their life to and so need something to provide something to their purposeless lives

sleek ferry
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[[moseo vein’s new dean]]

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Legendary Creature — Bird Skeleton Warlock
Flying
When Moseo enters, create a 1/1 black and green Pest creature token with "Whenever this token attacks, you gain 1 life."
Infusion — At the beginning of your end step, if you gained life this turn, return up to one target creature card with mana value X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
2/1

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Mr Bones!

knotty ferry
#

[[Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar]]

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knotty ferry
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wtf is this name

fallow citrus
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it's peak magic

copper pecan
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copper pecan
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all the way back in the very first set

knotty ferry
#

ok but what does the name mean

#

is it just a random assortment of letters or something in some language or some code words or what

copper pecan
#

it's just a really long name they made up as a joke because they thought it would be funny for a flavor text character to have a really long name

knotty ferry
#

interesting...

#

do you think Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar resembles vinny vsauce?

copper pecan
#

no bulli

knotty ferry
#

wait

#

mtg online is an official sim??

fallow citrus
#

yeah?

knotty ferry
#

wtf y0ou guys were talking aobut it like its duelingbook

fallow citrus
#

mtgo just looks like excel that's it

knotty ferry
#

dude

#

i wanted to try modern after watchign some vids online

#

so i downloaded mtgo

#

apparently you have to actually spend money

#

to rent cards or soem shit

#

from bots

#

...

#

THEY COULD LITERALLY JUST PUT THIS SHIT IN ARENA

#

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM

fallow citrus
#

sadly the only good way to competitively test multiple decks unless you have a testing circle

#

because of how many mtgo leagues and challenges happen

copper pecan
#

it would take a very long time to port over stuff from mtgo so they just didn't for the most part

#

there's a backlog of like 20k cards and the rules engine is significantly more complicated than yugioh's so they wouldn't be able to make it work like how master duel did

knotty ferry
#

why cant they just have modern in arena

copper pecan
#

they said it would take too long to implement all the cards

knotty ferry
#

arent all the cards already in arena

copper pecan
#

no, there's like 15 years of cards they'd need to put in

knotty ferry
#

thats crazy i thought timeless/historic already had all that shit

copper pecan
#

timeless and historic just have all the cards that are on arena

tardy echo
tardy echo
twilit canyon
glad peak
#

Welp I just had a vintage game where the play pattern was cedh-like icant

#

Win attempt on top of win attempt on top of win attempt icant

tardy echo
#

I mean

#

What did you expect from vintage

#

Slow interactive gameplay??

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Pretty sure that there’s a semi common sentiment that duel commander is as close as you can get to vintage

glad peak
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Well when decks become heavy in counter wars you do get slow interactive gameplay

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That’s pretty common in legacy also icant

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I wish more people played $20 vintage but price related formats are always tricky

tardy echo
glad peak
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Yes, a slow interactive format nyaruhodo

tardy echo
glad peak
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Unless the table decides to all play parasitic decks for some reason

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But yes it’s a fairly slow, very interactive format nyaruhodo

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Going card for card, interaction for interaction against rhystic slop as Mardu feels good icant

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||no it doesn’t, ban rhystic and make my deck peak||

sleek ferry
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I unironically saw somebody ask for a llanowar elves ban lol

subtle sierra
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you know what

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fuck that guy

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ban elf

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i have no argument besides pure hatred for green

copper pecan
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i could see elf eventually becoming a problem but it's fine in the current standard environment

subtle sierra
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ye he's fine i just hate him

golden plover
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Elf is definitely a card that's too strong to be in standard a lot of the time

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Rn this standard as a whole is too high powered, so he's fine

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But he shouldn't have been in foundations

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Imo Elf, Omniscience, and the Wrath shouldn't have been put in foundations

past socket
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Had my first couple of cEDH games and had a great time

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Played Etali and even managed to get the turn 2 setup

atomic harness
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Good job kuri

sleek ferry
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Glad you enjoyed it

subtle sierra
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e🅱️ali 🏀

knotty ferry
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What's the wrath

glad peak
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Cedh is legitimately fun nyaruhodo

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Tournaments are whack but offer a very different gameplay experience that’s pretty interesting

tardy echo
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tardy echo
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Boardwipes that just kill everything in mtg are normally called wraths because of wrath of god

glad peak
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My favorite thing to do on celes is to point out the turbo deck in the table and egg the blue players to mulligan hard for interaction nyaruhodo

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Meanwhile in my hand: silence squelcher mana rocks + combo

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Parasitic decks are fun to play but never to play against

knotty ferry
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Ok let's say hypothetically I wanted to play commander

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There are diff brackets right

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So if I go to a commander night, do I just ask people what bracket they're playing?

glad peak
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Depends on the store

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But usually yes

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If the store has enough people and tech (it’s just a spreadsheet let’s be honest) they’ll get the brackets of each deck and group them by bracket as much as possible

sleek ferry
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People usually play bracket 3 which is like precon level

glad peak
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That’s 2 nyaruhodo

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A lot of people go into bracket 3 for precons + upgrades though, true

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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Ok so in theory I could just grab a precon and start playing?

sleek ferry
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Yeah, that’s the best way to start tbh

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If you want some precon recommendations, I’d be glad to give you one, though I feel like I know which one you would buy first already

glad peak
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I’ve seen people build decks they are serious about that make precons look like 5s icant

sleek ferry
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The ff7 one

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But the FF7 one is a specific playstyle not everybody enjoys

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But it is the best out the box precon out of all the FF precons

knotty ferry
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I was thinking of the terra one

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The ff7 one is the cloud equipment one right

sleek ferry
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It probably goes FF7 > FFX = FFXIV >>>>>>>>>> FF6

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Yeah

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The Terra one is not well built at all out the box ngl

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It needs a lot of upgrades

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It has 2 clashing playstyles

knotty ferry
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It's like a reanimator deck right

sleek ferry
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Yes, but Terra cares about creatures with power 3 or less

knotty ferry
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Wait that's crazy, every card in here is from final fantasy 6

sleek ferry
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Yet for some reason the deck had a bunch of big guys

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Yes all the precons have unique arts

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Specific to the game they’re from

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Even the reprints are all unique arts

knotty ferry
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That's sick wtf

trail anvil
twilit canyon
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based

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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I kinda wanna play a deck with the other terra, but for now I'll get the ffx deck

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Also holy shit there are so many sick final fantasy art sleeves

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BRO HOW CAN YOU HATE UB

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If I spend too much time on ultra pro dot com I think my bank account will be empty

sudden lava
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The Tifa Secret Rendezvous had me conflicted on which art to use, it's so good.

knotty ferry
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Wait can I play anything in commander

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Is the card pool same as like legacy or vintage?

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Can I play black lotus?

copper pecan
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there's a banlist

lusty trench
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Banlist my guy

copper pecan
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black lotus is on it

knotty ferry
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????