#Magic the Gathering

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tardy echo
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They always do it’s the whole point

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And finished with daze

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This set actually wants me to play prismari wth I pulled 4x stormcarved and actual prismari

inland folio
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this is in standard?

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wonder why ive never seen it played

tardy echo
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It’s not

inland folio
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ig get out just nukes everything

tardy echo
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Only the uncommons are standard legal

inland folio
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oooh

tardy echo
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Rares/mythics are not

inland folio
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so vampiric tutor isnt in standard?

sleek ferry
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fracture was in standard like maybe 3-4 formats ago was it not?

inland folio
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i see

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looks cool tho

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so is it impossible to pull the japanese versions or are they just very rare?

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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yeah there you go

sleek ferry
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and it saw very little play

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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hyper crazy turbo broken is a mouth full

inland folio
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oh i got 2 ral and 3 of the bird woman

tardy echo
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Ok so from bonus pack I got

inland folio
tardy echo
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Spell pierce sleight daze preordain stock up abrade triumph

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For actual relevant cards

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Some other good arts though

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Smallpox is my goat

subtle sierra
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god lute into critique is just

inland folio
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i got spell pierce and stock up

subtle sierra
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so smooth

inland folio
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they look really cool

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i like how this isnt even enough to make a deck icant

tardy echo
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The rares are the choke point

inland folio
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[[demonic counsel]]

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inland folio
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interesting

sleek ferry
inland folio
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does this see play in other formats?

inland folio
tardy echo
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No reason for it to see play in formats with nonrotating tutors

inland folio
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the lands i have are for green/black dimir, and izzet

tardy echo
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But it could’ve been p easy to make this card strong in standard

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Delirium was just always an aggro thing though

inland folio
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oh and simic

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i have 4 breading pool

tardy echo
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Btw if you want the jp archives you can get them in the store yuni

inland folio
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effectively all my good lands

tardy echo
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You just can’t pull them natty

inland folio
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those say 4k coins bro

tardy echo
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Where do u see them for 4k holy

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It’s 12k coins 2.4 gems

inland folio
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its aura but not that much aura

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ooooh u can buy them as a set

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the problem is most of them look bad

tardy echo
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Is it just if you click on the actual individual style?

inland folio
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ye

tardy echo
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Anyways I pulled dualcaster from my last pack arena really wants me to play prismari on brawl icant

inland folio
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is brawl a real mode people play

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does anyone have like

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good decks i can try

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or obvious upgrades to old ones

tardy echo
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For what

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Standard?

inland folio
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yeah

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thugs told me the other formats are for memelords

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or like

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obvious upgrades to older decks

twilit canyon
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memelords is crazy

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thugs isnt wrong but a majority of them get top tier competitive events constantly too

sleek ferry
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I have no opinion on brawl/historic/alchemy as they have small but dedicated player bases

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btw misty, best 2 cards in the set: skycoach and white emeritus

twilit canyon
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i'll hold my opinion on that still.
i have an idea but im gonna test more

inland folio
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i love when my board is triple layered

sleek ferry
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triple layered like a tripel cheeseburger?

inland folio
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yeah

sleek ferry
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@tardy echo try skycoach in your little pixie deck

inland folio
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so for izzet lessons

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is it like +2-3 flashback, and 2-4 of the new spell

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the solarbym one

tardy echo
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Now I’m playing mutagen man turbo

subtle sierra
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maybe one but that's it

sleek ferry
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Oh look winconless control is back icant

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No person should have to sit through this type of game

inland folio
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is this not just a regular list icant

sleek ferry
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Nah, azorius control plays WST + Flanker

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So they have a real wincon

tardy echo
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Ral has been broken @twilit canyon

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Scavenger has felt sort of bad though worrysad

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Wondering if there’s any top end i can play to make it feel less bad

glad peak
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You don’t need a top end if you gain enough advantage with lil guys nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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That doesn’t make scavenger a better card grrr

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Also I literally got milled out by my own icetill because I couldn’t actually close out the game icant

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He killed the Esper origins flip before I got the overrun and then I just couldn’t kill icant

twilit canyon
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i like new ral

sleek ferry
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You playing golgari mid Gaytor?

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It’s probably a decent option tbh

tardy echo
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I’m slotting in balemurk

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And I’m gonna troll a little and try seeing if I can cheat a craterhoof with scavenger icant

sleek ferry
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You playing cauldron or something

tardy echo
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Experimenting

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It seems good but it’s sort of clunky at the same time

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90% of people autoscoop once I get pursuit + icetill + fabled passage icant

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I will say green emeritus is performing significantly better than anticipated

inland folio
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feels like a card that probably spirals easily

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you play it from a neutral position and it turns into a winning position

tardy echo
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Golgari midrange

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Something I try to make work literally every standard just to sigh and go back to pixie after a month

inland folio
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is pixie that momo deck

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or is this brawl

knotty ferry
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[sky coach]

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[[sky coach]]

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Multiple cards match “sky coach”, can you be more specific?

knotty ferry
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@sleek ferry what is it

tardy echo
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Pixie is white/black/(usually)blue and centers more around self bouncing with stuff like sunpearl kirin fear of isolation and pixie itself

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You loop stuff like nowhere to run and stormchasers talent

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Also ever since I started using a different llanowar elves art I’ve drawn it in my first 3 turns every game @sleek ferry

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Coincidence? I think not

sleek ferry
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[[skycoach conductor]]

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sleek ferry
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@knotty ferry

knotty ferry
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Seems good

sleek ferry
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It resets your aven interrupters/aang

knotty ferry
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Yea that's broken

sleek ferry
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Or resets your riddler so you don’t have to hard cast it

tardy echo
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Dellian emblem has lowk been carrying btw

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In a way +2 heal 3 is sort of what oko did…

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So far I’ve been having success playing G1 as a reanimator deck and shifting into more of a midrange gameplan g2/3

inland folio
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[[witherbloom]]

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inland folio
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is this card not kinda heat?

tardy echo
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It is heat

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All the charms from this set are actually p playable

inland folio
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yeah

subtle sierra
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Charms are godsent

tardy echo
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Silverquill charm is prob the worst one and is still nice

knotty ferry
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Sigh solar destroying my stratagem

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Typical

inland folio
inland folio
subtle sierra
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kinda

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i'm trying an izzet core for lute

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it has a control shell but once lute comes out it's just combo

tardy echo
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Quench + disenchant and it’s completely on rate for both

inland folio
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[[rest in peace]]

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inland folio
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ok yeah

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im trying this in the side for reanimator

tardy echo
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Glarb monkaGIGA

inland folio
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i did tell u im a midrange/tempo deck post side

tardy echo
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Instead of ballad I’d consider vicious rivalry

inland folio
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[[vicious rivarly]]

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inland folio
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holy

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i knew i was missing something

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wait this is 5 mana

tardy echo
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It’s 4

inland folio
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1 too many

tardy echo
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???

inland folio
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the point of ballad is to say x=2

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and then nuke cub and his little ones

tardy echo
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Brother wants toxic deluge in standard

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Then why not day of black sun

inland folio
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[[day of black sun]]

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inland folio
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4 mana

tardy echo
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I promise it matters in more matchups than just cub icant

inland folio
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vs other matchups i have time icant

tardy echo
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Go crazy then I guess question

inland folio
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like quandrix charm looks crazy vs the control fucks

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pops rest in peace counters boardwipes on curve

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the 2 big dangers

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cos handles the counters

inland folio
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[[urgent necropsy]]

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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, collect evidence X, where X is the total mana value of the permanents this spell targets.
Destroy up to one target artifact, up to one target creature, up to one target enchantment, and up to one target planeswalker.
"The Golgari can read the dead like a newspaper." —Taboro of the Foundway Associates

inland folio
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this can pops things at instant speed

tardy echo
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Rivalry is a boardwipe

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This is multi target removal which is good but also requires much more setup

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And can only kill up to 1 of each thing it hits

inland folio
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i mean i can try it im just trying to not spend all my wildcards day 1 u know

tardy echo
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U don’t have to include it shrug

inland folio
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also i just realized zarek is a 1 sided discard

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wtf

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i thought this dude was both players

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and i was like

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this seems pretty lit in my deck already

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this dude is just better than oko

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the new one

sleek ferry
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Wait wtf, Chandra lost to Ajani in lore lmaoooooooo

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Chandra is fucking washed

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She deserves to be blue

tardy echo
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What does ajani even do bro

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Doesn’t he just swing an axe thing around

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Chandra should’ve just lit him on fire icant

inland folio
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this guy is homeless right

tardy echo
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But they need to let the plot progress so it was inevitable

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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Both the planeswalkers are pretty good

inland folio
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i mean yeah this guy reads good

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but idk where u put him in

sleek ferry
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Also, who is the man in the white robe that Tam meets

tardy echo
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B/G midrange…

sleek ferry
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That says he created her

knotty ferry
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Boy girl midrange

tardy echo
inland folio
tardy echo
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[[cauldron of essence]]

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sleek ferry
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White Jace sounds wack

inland folio
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shouldnt jace be black

tardy echo
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Or you can also just use him as a draw/removal engine

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Color swapped Jace should probably be gruul

inland folio
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i feel like theres better planewalkers for draw removal

inland folio
tardy echo
tardy echo
sleek ferry
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Technically, a reality fractured Jace would be red, but if he’s the one causing the reality fracture, will he even get another form?

inland folio
tardy echo
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I don’t see why he wouldn’t

tardy echo
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But yes she’s golgari

inland folio
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whats gruul

tardy echo
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Red green

inland folio
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i thought that was BG

sleek ferry
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Red green

inland folio
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ooh

sleek ferry
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Golgari is bg

inland folio
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why would jace be grreen

tardy echo
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Bc gruuls entire color identity is being fucking stupid

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Which is much more antithetical to mono blue than mono red is alone icant

sleek ferry
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Reality fractured Jace would probably be golgari

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To match his gf

inland folio
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also if jace is getting colorswapped

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his gf has to swap too right

tardy echo
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Azorius vraska golgari Jace would be funny

inland folio
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blue green or something

sleek ferry
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We haven’t seen Vraska since outlaws

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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Azorius vraska and now she’s a cop who thinks gorgons should just respect authority

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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he +2s and has more loyalty than oko does

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and then his ult is real

sleek ferry
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I heard somebody say that Delian is basically Oko

twilit canyon
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his removal is good

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yeah lol

tardy echo
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I literally said that today sigh

inland folio
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[[theif of crowns]]\

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No card found for “theif of crowns”

twilit canyon
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obvs more balanced but they feel hes impossible to efficiently kill lol

sleek ferry
inland folio
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[[thief of crown]]

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Legendary Planeswalker — Oko
+2: Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with "mana2, manat, Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
+1: Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3.
−5: Exchange control of target artifact or creature you control and target creature an opponent controls with power 3 or less.
Loyalty: 4

inland folio
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this is 2 less mana tho

twilit canyon
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5 loyalty base

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sickos

twilit canyon
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oko is 1 less

inland folio
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but the ability is also kidna worse

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Gruul

tardy echo
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For 1 less loyalty

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And less of an ability to end the game on his own

inland folio
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ah yeah i see u

tardy echo
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In a color that is also worse at protecting pws

inland folio
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popping shit is better than elking right

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generally

tardy echo
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Well

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Situational

inland folio
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like u cant elk ur own shit

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but also ur removal is realer

sleek ferry
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Oko being able to elk artifacts is pretty big

tardy echo
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You don’t have to swap icant

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But yeah oko hits noncreatures better

inland folio
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ah

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sure

glad peak
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Damn how did Lurrus lose to urza’s saga

tardy echo
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I mean for the record

sleek ferry
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Like imagine oko in standard now, elking izzet lessons monument is gg

inland folio
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anyone have a deck with new oko (not lorwyn) then

tardy echo
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Oko is a contender for best card of all time

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
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we need to kill affinity players

sleek ferry
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@fallow citrus they’re talking shit about us

tardy echo
inland folio
tardy echo
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No I haven’t??

inland folio
inland folio
tardy echo
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Hold

inland folio
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if this is bait im nuking the entirety of new england btw

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starting with virginia

tardy echo
inland folio
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lambs life is on the line........

tardy echo
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considerations in main are mostly just changing ratios

glad peak
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Unironically play bigpox icant

tardy echo
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im experimenting with a version playing more scavenger and sacky top end but shrug

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can't reccomend

glad peak
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[[vastlands scavenger]]

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glad peak
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You should play bigpox with this nyaruhodo

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Earthbending and planeswalker breaks parity nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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You should ignore what mudkip says because a serious sentence has never come out of his mouth

glad peak
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You wanted recs, there’s one icant

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Never said it had to be good nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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I didn’t ask for recommendations and certainly not from you SCmyreactiontothatinformation

glad peak
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You will soon NyanGun

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$20 vintage has been pretty fun

inland folio
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what set is this?

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cause it isnt from the archive thing with the japanese arts

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so idk how u get this

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i just pulled it from an sos pack

sleek ferry
inland folio
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whast the difference between a special guest and mystical archive

past socket
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Mystical Archive cards come with a special Japanese printing in collector boosters and have a separate set code. And are like this normally [[!Jeska’s Will|SOA]]

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past socket
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this particular card frame

subtle sierra
golden plover
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Okay I know it's early, but [[Resonating Lute]] feels like bullshit

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sleek ferry
golden plover
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It feels terrible unless they've just got it in which case it feels ridiculous

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Casual mana doubling for Jeskai is insane

copper pecan
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oh i get the joke now

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it's a lute that loots

tardy echo
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If you’re about to ask why does strixhaven have 2 its so that they can special guest non instant/sorceries

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Actually thinking on it idt duskmourn had special guests

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Nvm I lied soul warden

sleek ferry
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Think of special guests as a way to do reprints that you’ll likely never pull in your life

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Because special guest ratios are insanely low

tardy echo
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Does arena have higher rates for special guests or smth btw

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Because I pulled a ridiculous amount

tardy echo
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Ok bc 4 in 30 is. Crazy.

sleek ferry
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Irl special guest rates are like 1 every 2-3 boxes

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Imagining opening a case of Tarkir and pulling 3 special guest ultimatums instead of fetches icant

tardy echo
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Yeah icant

sleek ferry
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That’s also the only reason tarkir boxes have stayed up. Because the set itself is a solid standard set and nothing more, with the ability to highroll into some very good mythics

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But having the chance to get a $30-40 fetch in each box keeps the price up

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And don’t get me started on dragon scale fetches

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I had to check, the cheapest dragon scale fetch is verdant catacombs at $300

inland folio
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the green paradigm feels kinda crazy ngl

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its like ouroboroid except youre ignorant of removal

inland folio
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alr that green guy is broken

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i forgot its green so u play him on 3

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behind like 3 tokens

sleek ferry
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Which green guy, the 1 drop?

twilit canyon
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the 2 drop

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2/g 2/g

inland folio
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ral zarek is also kinda broken

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Yuni is talking about dellian fel misty is talking about the archaic guy

sleek ferry
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Yeah and I’m talking about Mikey and Leo, what are you talking about

tardy echo
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I’m talking about us I’m talking about trust

inland folio
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is this guy that good

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also is this card broken or ass

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[[eddymurk crab]]

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inland folio
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ig its ass

twilit canyon
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much better in older formats

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this guy can easily be a 0 drop 7/7 reach

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on turns 2-3

twilit canyon
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idt it'll actually get a major chance bc its a niche card for a niche deck, but getting say, a 4/4 ravager off the rip is a decent niche

inland folio
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and he has a little upside

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each time he attacks

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actually

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you can copy something like bolt and hit one of the opps guys before they have a chance to block right

glad peak
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Yep

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I’m not too sure how often you can get this guy off turns 2-3 in modern

inland folio
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you could also copy a pump spell on himself or something

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theres instants that are like give a guy +X/0 trample right

glad peak
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You can turbo with thought scour and flootings but that’s still turn 4 for a 0 mana 7/7

glad peak
twilit canyon
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with morphose scours and looting you can get there on 3 reliably

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doesnt require casting that same turn like demilich or phoenix

inland folio
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maybe thats actually good tho

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idfk

glad peak
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Playing this guy with the purpose of pumping him is too cute, it’s already a 7/7 lol

inland folio
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well the trample part is what matters

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so u dont get chumped

glad peak
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Even then that’s too cute nyaruhodo

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You should be happy when your opponent gives you removal for free nyaruhodo

inland folio
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i dont wanna remove a 1/1 token i wanna remove my opp from the game

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thats the best kind of removal

glad peak
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You won’t be doing it with a spell that gives trample I’ll tell you that nyaruhodo

inland folio
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[[metamorphose]]

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inland folio
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how does this get to that guy on turn 3

glad peak
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[[manamorphose]]

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inland folio
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oooh

glad peak
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But technically that does work too

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You just give your opponent one if they happen to have it in their hands

inland folio
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0 mana draw a card

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broken

glad peak
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Nah it’s still 2 mana froghead

inland folio
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adds it back tho

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:)

glad peak
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If it was truly 0 mana then it would be playable in prowess and we don’t have to play that dogshit bauble icant

inland folio
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just do pyretic ritual into it

glad peak
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That’s another deck entirely

stark skiff
inland folio
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damn this icetill explorer guy is broken

inland folio
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@tardy echo would u ever consider just turning the deck into this?

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if theres some rando card that shits out tokens efficiently shove that in somewhere

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ignore the lands im poor

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idk the best way to use cauldron to like pump out damage

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but the bear guy didnt feel great meanwhile the rest of these all felt super strong

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cauldron + abundance gives you infinite rescources to work with so u really just need a thing you can revive continously that wins

glad peak
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Thoughts on just going full 4-ral 4-fel and use fel’s ult as a win con nyaruhodo

inland folio
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outside of it

inland folio
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fel rn hasnt had a chance to ult

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i kinda just value remove whatever my opp plays and gain life to stabilize

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i had craterhood and the bear in here earlier but theyre awkward and cost too much upfront

glad peak
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But once you stabilize you can fel + and then next turn ult and win as long as you keep parity nyaruhodo

inland folio
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yeah basically

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ral is kinda bustado too

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i would also consider more of him yeah

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all 3 abilities are kinda goated

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ive had a lot of games my opp pops cub on 2 and then i just ral reanimate it

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and now i have cub back with a value engine icant

glad peak
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So going 4-ofs for both is fine dubismile

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Doesn’t matter if you have some stuck in hand because theyre still good doubled up

inland folio
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i mean i have had gamestates where i just - + and then play another denian i got with the emiritus

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and just loop that every turn

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removal + healing infinitely is pretty good!

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practicum feels nice as the finisher

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over craterhood and w/e

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its slower but it cant die and kinda just is annoying

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+2+2 ever turn is pretty good!

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would be nice if there was a green or black elspeth

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[[summon knight of rounds]]

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Enchantment Creature — Saga Knight
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after V.)
I, II, III, IV — Create three 2/2 white Knight creature tokens.
V — Ultimate End — Other creatures you control get +2/+2 until end of turn. Put an indestructible counter on each of them.
Indestructible
3/3

inland folio
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ig this would work but its so meme icant

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its probably jsut play 2-3 ba sing se and call it a day

knotty ferry
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yikes

glad peak
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Deck doesn’t seem that bad, certainly an improvement from before dubismile

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If the meta goes to a crawl then I want to play pox with ba sing se icant

sleek ferry
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What’s the name of that one black card

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That if a creature enters from the gy, it creates a copy of it

zinc shard
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Fun Mechanics
Rad Counters

sleek ferry
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venture into the dungeon

glad peak
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Do people actually listen to commander youtubers for actual advice? clearly

copper pecan
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rad counters are fine but i wouldn't describe them as particularly fun

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initiative is straight up busted and overly complicated for what it does

sleek ferry
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Actual fun mechanics are like casualty

tardy echo
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It’s not terribly different from the list I landed on

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Also balemurk is significantly worse without scavenger in the list

sleek ferry
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All the avatar mechanics are fun mechanics

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Impending is a fun mechanic

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Oh enweb is pretty fun, we just didn’t get enough quality enweb cards

glad peak
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Storm is a fun nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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Enweb is sort of just a diff flavor of ninjitsu but I do like it

glad peak
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Gravestorm really needs more cards

tardy echo
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I do also think ninjitsu/sneak are fun mechanics

sleek ferry
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Yeah, I was just thinking of more recent sets

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Like discover being fixed cascade is fun

tardy echo
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Sneak is in a recent set clearly

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I think discover is still a bit silly personally

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But a lot of new mechanics are sort of just “fixes” for old mechanics

sleek ferry
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Oh warp is a top 5 mechanic of all time

tardy echo
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Discover for cascade sneak for ninjitsu

sleek ferry
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Probably top 3 for me

tardy echo
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Yeah warp is sick as fuck

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But void is not FEAKY

glad peak
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Evoke is top 5 nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
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I wonder if we’ll get more warp cards in Star Trek

tardy echo
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One can hope

sleek ferry
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Or maybe they’ll save that for Star Wars next year

knotty ferry
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smartest green player

knotty ferry
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Creature — Elf Cleric
When this creature enters, surveil 2. (Look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
Whenever one or more other creatures you control enter, if they entered or were cast from a graveyard, create a token that's a copy of one of them. This ability triggers only once each turn.
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@sleek ferry @twilit canyon @atomic harness @inland folio @subtle sierra @subtle tendon if you want a shoutout when i win the next pro tour, let me know

atomic harness
sudden lava
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I just wish there was more cards that can make them

atomic harness
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Rad is fun yeah

twilit canyon
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did you winstreak into mythic or was there some match ups/games you faltered in beforehand?

knotty ferry
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idk if that answers ur q

knotty ferry
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wait

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once ur in mythic

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can you drop out?

twilit canyon
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nope

twilit canyon
sleek ferry
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I’ve done it

twilit canyon
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in a single season? genuinely have never seen it

sleek ferry
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You have to go on a big losing streak

twilit canyon
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p sure that only leaves u in the low % mythics

sleek ferry
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Iirc I got down to like 87% and then lost enough games that I went back to diamond 1

knotty ferry
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I won my last 4 I guess

twilit canyon
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interesting

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yea i always log my plat -> mythic climbs when i was grinding harder into mtga

knotty ferry
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Why

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Just to see your winrate?

twilit canyon
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studied opponents on x decks too

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checked their sideboard + and they brought in vs me

knotty ferry
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Holy

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Taking notes

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🕵️

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Wait can u see ur opps decks

twilit canyon
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treated as a prelude to what i fought in mythic later since many of these players will also get to mythic later

inland folio
twilit canyon
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guesstimating their lists and ratios

knotty ferry
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Wait if they have an untapped acc

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Can u see their entire deck

twilit canyon
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u can take a peek at their deck yep

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post-match once it logs

knotty ferry
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Wtf

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Can u see it on the website?

knotty ferry
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This is all I see

inland folio
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sigh

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my peak was diamond 1

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im too lazy icant

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oh yeah

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is it just me or is the bo1 shuffler rigged

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like bo3 feels normal

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but bo1 has some voodoo magic going on

twilit canyon
stark skiff
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How does Zimone Infinite work with the Double X and Triple X spells?

sleek ferry
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This is around what I had in mind for golgari mid

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Some ratios would be different

knotty ferry
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[[mosswood dread knight]]

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twilit canyon
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i feel golgari has too good a gy synergy w cub + fetches and icetill to not run it in a midrange combo

knotty ferry
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Btw what's the purpose of The Ooze in the side deck

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I've seen it in other decks too

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If you have soul guide lantern for gy hate

sleek ferry
twilit canyon
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its also a finisher

twilit canyon
knotty ferry
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How do they gain life

twilit canyon
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[[scavenging ooze]]

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twilit canyon
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my bad

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its rhe actual [[the ooze]] they ran

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Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it leaves the battlefield, create a Mutagen token for each +1/+1 counter on it. (A Mutagen token is an artifact with "mana1, manat, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
manat: Exile target card from a graveyard. Create a Mutagen token.

twilit canyon
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the mutagen token value ig but its... probs worse than scooze

inland folio
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[sentinel nameless city]]

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[[sentinel nameless city]]

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twilit canyon
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that vigilance and 4th toughness has moved mountains for this card's perception

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i've seen it in historic

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hell ive seen it in timeless

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this card has no business there

inland folio
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3 mana 3/4 with upside seems to move mountains in every tcg i guess

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wait until you hear about the 4 mana 4/5

twilit canyon
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except sheoldred is kind of the goat

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sometimes

inland folio
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real ones know the most broken statline possible is 1 mana 1/3

twilit canyon
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dha's signature look of superiority

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tardy echo
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This seems a little ass no?

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I think this deck should prob just play speaker as a second 3 drop honestly it does a lot of what you want to do

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Scavenger has been super hit or miss and is probably gonna be good somewhere but not in this type of deck

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Emeritus is actually a good card but honestly feels v bad to see in multiples

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So your options for 3 drops are like sentinel/speaker/preacher

tardy echo
inland folio
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ok green emeritus is really funny with boardwipes

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its pretty obnoxious

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but its also reaallly funny

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[[tyvar]]

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Multiple cards match “tyvar”, can you be more specific?

inland folio
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im ngl the more i play with the green pot the more i realize this cards problem is just having to sac as a sorcery

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being able to swipswap ur guys at instant speed would probs be aids but it would also make the card a lot better

atomic harness
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BLARGH IM GAME DESIGN KING AND THE EMERITI ARE THE WORST CARDS EVER @inland folio

subtle sierra
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Funny post

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Ideation literally topped an mtgo event day 1

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It's not insane but saying it's unplayable in constructed is wrong

atomic harness
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Thank you son

trail anvil
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ward is a good keyword I think

subtle sierra
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5 mana 5/5 flying ward 2 is already well statted

trail anvil
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and then it's just arcanis without summoning sickness on top of all that

atomic harness
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Thank you kommers

sleek ferry
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Idk, I think ideation is pretty unplayable

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Only the white and green one are standard playable imo

subtle sierra
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It isn't a question of belief when it already topped 🤷‍♂️

trail anvil
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which deck did it top in? not doubting you just wanna see the list

golden plover
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Why is the mid-week magic phantom? Can they not spare 3 packs of digital cards?

trail anvil
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if they're just 3 packs of digital cards then why does it matter nyaruhodo

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also it's a specific choice meaning you could grab rares of your choice for free

sleek ferry
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Topping an mtgo challenge is one thing, maybe if we see it pop up in some RCQ’s/RC’s or even the PT next week, then we can talk about ideation being playable

sleek ferry
# trail anvil which deck did it top in? not doubting you just wanna see the list

Standard League 2026-04-22でジェスカイコントロール/Jeskai Controlが5-0。メインに《共鳴するリュート/Resonating Lute》と《大図書棟の大ホール/Great Hall of the Biblioplex》、サイドに《観念の名誉教授/Emeritus of Ideation》などが採用。

CausewayBay (@CausewaybayMTG) を引用

Standard League 2026-03-22でジェスカイコントロール/Jeskai Controlが5-0。《北風の守護者/North Wind Avatar》が採用。

**💬 1 🔁 5 ❤️ 42 👁️ 6.2K **

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I can only assume the thought process here is you side it vs the mirror/other control matchups

golden plover
fallow citrus
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loving the clickbait tweet

sleek ferry
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[[molten core maestro]] was a prerelease allstar

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subtle tendon
fallow citrus
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! ! !

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okay this might be fire

knotty ferry
atomic harness
knotty ferry
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Hily

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Holy

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You cooked

atomic harness
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🕵️

sleek ferry
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Instead of simic player, it should say -Gaytor

fallow citrus
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which format is the dead one on mtga is it historic or timeless

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well not dead but like considerably less played

subtle sierra
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Uhh it cut off the side but i can try finding it again

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Mtgo site is cheeks

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Ideation is your classic "I'm ok and i create advantage" control body

atomic harness
fallow citrus
atomic harness
fallow citrus
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I assume you're just dropping a big choco-comet on them

subtle sierra
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[[choco comet]]

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fallow citrus
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yeah it literally is that lmao

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just watched the video

subtle tendon
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Just stop while you’re ahead boy

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You’re not built for this

atomic harness
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btw we don't have many spell trample effects right? best I can think of is [[flame spill]]

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atomic harness
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Excess damage is dealt to that creature's controller instead.

this line of text

fallow citrus
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this is the list I just imported it, makes it easier to see

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but yeah you seething song add 5 mana, cast something and get your mana back, rinse and repeat

atomic harness
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Seething song... Holy

fallow citrus
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cannot see it being playable against any blue or black deck though

atomic harness
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Thank you gamer

knotty ferry
subtle tendon
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[[vibrant outburst]]

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knotty ferry
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Are any decks using this card?

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I know it competes with a lot of other cards but it reads like it could be decent vs some decks

subtle sierra
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it's decent into specfically dimir midrange because it denies 2 unblocked creatures for kaito

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otherwise sear doing 4 is super relevant

knotty ferry
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Holy, I just played vs a sick deck

tardy echo
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What was it son

knotty ferry
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Used [[mistbreath elder]] to reset their entry guys

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knotty ferry
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Lag

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Btw my #5 most hated card is [[pawpatch recruit]]

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knotty ferry
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This shit is so aids

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Dunno

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Blue green

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With frogs

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And pawpatch recruit

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And some instant that reset their shit

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Portal 2

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Forgot the name

sleek ferry
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Probably trying out Berta I’m assuming

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Card is very solid, just probably not in 60 card formats

golden plover
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What the fuck is this

tardy echo
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Simic blink is cute

atomic harness
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[[pearl of wisdom]]

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atomic harness
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Holy???

tardy echo
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This kid doesn’t know about pearl of wisdom wrap it up

inland folio
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i just played vs this dude on 3 mana otter guy and firdoch core

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whenever he cast a spell his cores got untapped

tardy echo
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Yeppers

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Welcome to combo town population you

inland folio
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its okay i had removal he died

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btw shoot the sheriif is the worst card ever printed

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it might as just say u cant target anything black

tardy echo
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It’s sad actually that the coolest enduring cycle card got completely outmoded and lost its entire reason for existence because of a literal common in llorwyn @sleek ferry

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Yo what deck plays this

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I saw mfs on twitter complaining about it but I've never seen it

sleek ferry
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You play Kona on 4, tap it with one of your EoE lands, put down Omni

knotty ferry
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Ohhhh

twilit canyon
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or a vehicle too but

knotty ferry
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Whats an EOE land

twilit canyon
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either way, its a bit soft to removal

twilit canyon
sleek ferry
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People just hate omniscience decks tbh, I think they’re perfectly fine personally

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I saw somebody on Twitter say “ban stormchaser’s, Kona, super shredder and slickshot” like people are genuinely just trolling for social media

inland folio
twilit canyon
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yes or the crew

inland folio
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i see

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for some reason i always thought that doesnt work

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so you lose if they have a vehicle or station land + kona

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if you arent on blue

sleek ferry
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They still have to present the combo

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2x formidable speaker or 1 formidable speaker + regeant goes infinite

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But they got to draw into it

inland folio
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ive never seen someone brick on the kona deck ngl

sleek ferry
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I’ve seen it

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It happens

inland folio
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well

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ive seen it but thats because i made then discard 4

twilit canyon
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the alternative outside of bo1, is to blow up the omni

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that bricks their deck 90% of the time too

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also bc they need to get to the 2nd main

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u have a ton of time to be ready

inland folio
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idk ive seen a lot of these guys try to be slick with counterspells or voice of victory

twilit canyon
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yea but those cards will often brick on omni

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you kona and your hand is three steps voice leftover lmao

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you may as well not omni

sleek ferry
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Yeah you’re not normally running white in Omni anymore, you used to when you played the 3 mana spaceship, but in pretty sure Kona had moved away from that

twilit canyon
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jim had the right idea when he played mono green

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all other shit was fluff and u could just play it as a ramp deck too and make their anti omni tech shit

inland folio
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are u cubbing into kona or something

twilit canyon
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llanowar, cub, kona, and then ramp yourself into threats outside of omni as well as having kona for cheese

sleek ferry
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Regardless, the deck existing is good for the game

inland folio
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does green have draw like that

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[[omniscience]]

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oh sorry specific, jim didnt play omni

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he just cheated out big shit in green and colorless with kona to cheat some early

inland folio
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if ur just shitting out big guys surely theres better decks

sleek ferry
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Was he on the green dino that draws + gains life? I forgot the name of it

golden plover
inland folio
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bro that reminds me

golden plover
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Honestly tho a slickshot and stormchasers ban is probably a good idea

twilit canyon
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the angle broke parity cus it made ppl expecting omni and teching into it with kona play bad cards in the match

golden plover
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No fucking clue what super shredder needs a ban for tho

twilit canyon
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the spaceship that nukes the board

inland folio
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earlier today i lost to this guy on a guy who did manifest dread with the new blink spell

sleek ferry
inland folio
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cheated out the dinosaur who shit out his entire hand

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and then i died on 3 icant

twilit canyon
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the blink decks are so jank with it
playing that many bricks is funny

sleek ferry
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Ugin continues to be underexplored imo

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People are either on cope decks that do nothing for 5 turns

inland folio
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hes very explored in modern rigth

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you play him on 3 and u win the game

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also im ngl

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i can see why mycosynth lattice is banned now

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thats the fakest 10 mana play ive ever seen

twilit canyon
inland folio
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the upfront cost is u play a good card

twilit canyon
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and then u use karn to lock a game

inland folio
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and then if ur opp ever has a slightly suboptimal turn they lose

twilit canyon
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the ban wasnt for power tho not really

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its to save magic players from themselves

inland folio
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i mean its a side slot i dont see why u wouldnt play it

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i agree with it not being a power thing tho

twilit canyon
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bricking a match cus ur losing and/or stupid is not worth

inland folio
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by fake 10 mana play i meant that karn is a card you wanted to spend mana on anyways regardless

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so its really just punishing the opp for ever needing to step off the peddle

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ie not having the perfect hand at all times

inland folio
twilit canyon
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both players on karn or some other anti-artifact activating effect

knotty ferry
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[[mycosynth lattice]]

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twilit canyon
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[[stony silence]]

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this is a common piece vs artifact lists and then if they have karn + lattice, the board is locked

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nothing new can produce mana

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only free spells but most of them evoke and thus cant impact a permanent board state

inland folio
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so how do people resolve those

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just count cards in deck?

glad peak
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Nah, the karn player can win but the silenced player can’t

inland folio
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are planeswalker ticks activated abilities

glad peak
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Yep

twilit canyon
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stony silence in play from the opponent + karn from yourself is a full lock on the board

glad peak
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Oh I didn’t read silence from the opponent, I thought we were talking about karn + lattice icant

inland folio
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they can still attack right

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with artifact creatures

twilit canyon
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yes anything still on board can turn sideways

glad peak
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But even then it doesn’t lock out the karn player, right?

twilit canyon
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it would

inland folio
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[[karn the great creator]]

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Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

inland folio
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[[myscosynth lattice]]

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twilit canyon
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and then silence from you... only whatever is left on board is stuck

inland folio
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oh but they can still block

twilit canyon
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creatures can attack but if both players have creatures or none

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its over

inland folio
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i see

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for some reason i thought karn made it so opps creatures are tapped

twilit canyon
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unless one is willing to concede creatures and such

inland folio
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somehow

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so u play an ornithopter or something and start swinging

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20 turn clock

twilit canyon
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0/2

inland folio
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im out

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i forgot

twilit canyon
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memnite gets us there

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1/1

inland folio
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there we go

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but yeah is the solution there just to see who decks first

twilit canyon
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yes

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or if you have force of vigor

inland folio
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[[force of vigor]]

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but if you are either: a stony silence deck or a karn deck

inland folio
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wonder why they wont let you do it on your own turn

twilit canyon
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chances are you do not run fov

twilit canyon
inland folio
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so lattice is moslty banned not for making games worse to play but because people are stupid

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[[force of will]]

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inland folio
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this is either turn

twilit canyon
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games would be worse... ig? but most players are stupid

inland folio
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idgi

twilit canyon
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fov came with fon

inland folio
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oooh

twilit canyon
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[[force of negation]]

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and this cant hit creatures

twilit canyon
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ye

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its still goated

inland folio
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i understand making this one not your own turn

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youd combo off and then have this as free assurance

twilit canyon
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no protection for your combo yea

inland folio
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most fo these forces seem pretty bad

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the red one seems atrocious

twilit canyon
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yeah ppl clown on it

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force of despair is actually quite solid

inland folio
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finally got off my ass

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realized if im playing bo1 might as well embrace the spirit of it and jsut ftk people

twilit canyon
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goated reward

inland folio
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btw i have this art equipeed but whenever i go nad play in game it gives me the basic art, does anyone know why?

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like if i load up into a game i get given this one

knotty ferry
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Punishing you for being cringe

twilit canyon
inland folio
tardy echo
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FoV is good even with the restrictions bc it can hit both and is a net neutral in card advantage

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Realistically only being opp turn doesn’t matter for it

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Despair is often card positive in matchups where it’s played

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And, again, very much does not need to be cast on your own turn icant

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It also helps that both despair and vigor are like basically on rate to just play

inland folio
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sigh

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this thugs guy is the biggest liar i know

tardy echo
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What did he say

inland folio
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saying they need to find kona combo

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and i proceeded to get hit by it on 3 4 games in a row

tardy echo
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How were they doing it on 3

inland folio
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they played a 2 mana ramp spell

tardy echo
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Did I miss a development in kona technology

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Oh lol

inland folio
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i assume the list im vs on rn is ass

tardy echo
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I mean ramp is nonstandard but kona isn’t really a solved deck

inland folio
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but i doesnt matter if just get ftked icant

tardy echo
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As misty said there are lists where people don’t even play omni

tardy echo
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Were they comboing without kona?

inland folio
tardy echo
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Ahh

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I mean

inland folio
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station land, kona, omniscience, and then some draw

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or whatever

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which like fair

tardy echo
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Tbf station land + kona + omni is, itself, not super consistent

inland folio
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but how did i get hit by it on 3 4 games in a row

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like random queue btw

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not even the same person

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like im not challenging someone

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god just wants me to lose i guess icant

tardy echo
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The actual deterministic kona kill is not super consistent but a kona resolve is always swingy so it feels bad

inland folio
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i mean i have wistfullness and stuff

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like they do need to kill me that turn

tardy echo
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Well kona can also just cheat big stuff

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River regent vaultborn ghalta whatever

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But the deterministic kill is disruptable

inland folio
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i mean yeah im just drawing requiting hexes over like cards that do stuff

tardy echo
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Sts smokes kona though gg

knotty ferry
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Sts = goat

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Except when I play vs goblins, which are apparently all mercenaries, rogues, and assassins

inland folio
tardy echo
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It’s true!

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These kids wouldn’t have survived power word kill standard @twilit canyon @sleek ferry word me

sleek ferry
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Facts

subtle sierra
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i miss infernal grasp

glad peak
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Power word kill? You mean bad [[eliminate]]? clearly

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I miss [[bloodchief’s thirst]]

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sleek ferry
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I forgot what 2 mana walkers were in the meta

glad peak
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Anyways just went 4-0 with titan

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Only combo’d twice and only had the ability to combo three times

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I hate when I get a hand which is a turn 2 kill but I draw the only piece that doesn’t let me win turn 2 icant

knotty ferry
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Good job mudkip-san

glad peak
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Nah I could’ve combo’d turn 2 but I drew the battlements so I needed to play bad nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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also 2/3 lists playing emeritus in side

twilit canyon
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emeritus kinda fucked in control mirrors

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seeing how emeritus performs there, kind of kills any hope non-blue control lists have imo

knotty ferry
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[[lecturing scornmage]]

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WTF I just got fucked up by this card

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Guy copied it with mockingbird too

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And had some cheap spells

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Also I had a shoot the sheriff in my hand icant

subtle sierra
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lmao this is an outlaw

knotty ferry
glad peak
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[[shoot the sheriff]]

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glad peak
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Huh warlocks are outlaws too?

knotty ferry
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Yep

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That deck was cool tho

tardy echo
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It’s funny how this is legit the only outlaw card that sees play

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I have to remind myself that there was a whole precon about outlaws icant

sleek ferry
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I hit mythic with lizards actually

tardy echo
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Which one did lizards play

subtle sierra
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the 1/2

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on lizard attack do 1 damage, if you damaged opp this turn get counter for 1R

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idr the name

tardy echo
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Oh I don’t mean like that I mean literal mechanic outlaw card

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Like uh [[olivia opulent outlaw]] icant

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Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Flying, lifelink
Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
mana3, Sacrifice two Treasures: Put two +1/+1 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3

subtle sierra
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honestly i can't think of anything besides sheriff randomly not killing shit

tardy echo
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That’s what I mean lol

inland folio
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Oh huh didn’t know this existed

tardy echo
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Most people probably don’t even know that outlaws have mechanically dependent cards

inland folio
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Green got like infinite ways to find any creature atp

tardy echo
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It’s funny guidance is prob not very good

inland folio
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It being an instant is nice

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But yeah

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If u were desperate for one specific creature you could run 4 of this 4 of the 2/4

tardy echo
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It’s still a bit too expensive

inland folio
tardy echo
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You’d prob play natures rhythm before this

tardy echo
inland folio
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Tbf this doesn’t discard

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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It’s a cute card just not worth the downsides in most cases

sleek ferry
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[[laughing jasper flint]]

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Legendary Creature — Lizard Rogue
Creatures you control but don't own are Mercenaries in addition to their other types.
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top X cards of target opponent's library, where X is the number of outlaws you control. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those cards, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells.
4/3

tardy echo
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Did lizards actually play that guy holy

inland folio
sleek ferry
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Yeah, he was a top end you had to remove

tardy echo
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It’s just a hard effect to balance

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If it had an extra line of text as an upside and was still instant it would def be considerable

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Demonstrate isn’t a mechanic in this set but if it was this card would’ve been a v cool demonstrate card

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  • it would fit thematically
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Easier solution could’ve been infusion do both or some entwine cost

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I just think demonstrate was a cool mechanic and should come back word me @sleek ferry

sleek ferry
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Demonstrate is a very cool mechanic

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inland folio
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What’s demonstrate

subtle sierra
inland folio
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Is this a commander only mechanic or something

twilit canyon
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in theory no but