Magic the Gathering

[tardy echo]

He’s literally so locked in on his book that his mental fortress is blocking his enemy’s attacks

[inland folio]

he looks like hes pissing himself bro

[tardy echo]

That’s aura

[knotty ferry]

I can't wait till solar wakes up

[tardy echo]

I think you’re projecting

[knotty ferry]

And puts you in your place

Word me @atomic harness

[inland folio]

if anyone ever manages to do this they win a million dollars

so far everyone has failed

[atomic harness]

Word spat

[tardy echo]

Oh there’s 2 double masters ones

[inland folio]

they say its easier to convince a mexican goku could lose than to put me in my place

[sleek ferry]

What about this

[tardy echo]

I meant the magic online one

[tardy echo]

Why is she beefing with a hummingbird

[sleek ferry]

I am also beefing with mockingbird

Fuck that card

[knotty ferry]

Mexican Goku? Isn't that just villa?

[[mockingbird]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/61/mockingbird

Mockingbird <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield with mana value less than or equal to the amount of mana spent to cast this creature, except it's a Bird in addition to its other types and it has flying.
"Laughing at you? No, no, I'm laughing as you!"
1/1

[knotty ferry]

Holy

[inland folio]

i dont see any force nor any will here

0/10 reread the rubric

this aitn oklahoma

you cant just turn in anything you want

we got standards here

[sleek ferry]

Bird Bard is a crazy type btw

[inland folio]

i didnt know you were bird racist too buddy

[sleek ferry]

I’m legit about to build a commander deck of this just to trigger people at locals

Goofy ass art

I love it

[inland folio]

[[aessi]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/akh/276/it/naga-essiccato-(desiccated-naga)

Naga Essiccato <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creatura — Naga Zombie
: Un avversario bersaglio perde 2 punti vita e tu guadagni 2 punti vita. Attiva questa abilità solo se controlli un planeswalker Liliana.
"L'essenza di questo piano mi aiuta fin troppo nel dominio sui morti." —Liliana Vess
3/2

[sleek ferry]

[[aesi tyrant]]

[inland folio]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/210/aesi-tyrant-of-gyre-strait

Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may draw a card.
"To sail through those waters is to offer oneself as tribute." —Captain Hoyrik
5/5

[inland folio]

oh this guy

that cake said id like

[zinc shard]

Oh yea, Teysa but remove the lifegain and staple an Exploration to it

[inland folio]

they should make a card that lets you play any nunber of lands per turn

[zinc shard]

[[Fastbond]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/209/fastbond

Fastbond <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
You may play any number of lands on each of your turns.
Whenever you play a land, if it wasn't the first land you played this turn, this enchantment deals 1 damage to you.

[sleek ferry]

Im about to just look through all the secret lairs and get the goofiest stuff possible

[zinc shard]

^^Banned in EDH sadly

[inland folio]

sigh

they wont let anyone have fun

[stark skiff]

Don’t do it fam you’ll end up with as many Secret Lairs as me

[sleek ferry]

Found another goofy one

Ordering 4 of these to trigger modern players at locals @stark skiff

[stark skiff]

lol that one is sick

[subtle sierra]

Ok so, the main thing here that i think you misunderstand is that, yes there are many threats in the format, but as control you don't need to immediately answer all of them. Many rely on snowballing their aggression, be it by dropping a bunch of dorks for a lot of mana to cheat out an ouroboroid, maybe getting to icetill for your chocobo so it gets 4 counters off passages, or just landing an unblocked hit for your kaito/curiosity to land. They're all fine and good, but dropping a helix or nml somewhere in the middle usually pushes that a turn or two later, which is all you really want as control, you don't want to immediately delete every single creature, you just wanna live until you can safely use stock up t5 and still have a removal open, or just doj/ultima live.

Next up, the lands. You seem to misunderstand that surveil lands are not there to brick you, they're there to fix your draws. You've correctly identified that there can and will be topdeck situations, and surveils help a lot there, and the enters tapped part rarely matters when your removal tends to be costing either 2 or 4/5 these days, so dropping it as your 1st/3rd land is usually very free

Fuck i pressed post

Oh well

[past socket]

Pressing edit does wonders!

[subtle sierra]

No

I was gonna type that most control that's topping is mostly jeskai based or uw, so saying that the wipes cost 5/6 is demonstrably wrong, cause you usually run 2 doj 2 ultima

My main takeaway would be to try playing control and see how it ticks, because it will really change your point of view

I think control is struggling rn due to how varied the format is in how different threats are answered, but calling ppl delusional for playing ut or just saying it's unviable is simply not true

If you tech too much for badger your gonna die to kaito

If you main tish for kaito's ninjutsu you'll die to chocobo that's already 3/4 bashing your face in

If you drop a hatebear like clarion on badger they might just drop ouroboroid anyway, and dimir doesn't give a fuck besides drowner spin

Diversity of the format basically forced me to play jeskai black due to how diverse the removal in defeat is, it can deal with kaito on your turn or any other creature threat, while also taking care of stormchasers boomer looping or even a monument, while also "blocking" a 3 power attack, while pushing your burn wincon

[knotty ferry]

Holy shit

Solar is the goat

[subtle sierra]

And yet, the lists are a good indication of whether the format is too fast or not - during cori format you were on shit like split up and lockdown just to live, now you're happy to run the 5 cost ultima

[knotty ferry]

@atomic harness wake up son

[atomic harness]

Ultima = goat

[subtle sierra]

I personally don't like it mained but it's nice to clear both otters and monument vs lessons

If they play otters that is

[trail anvil]

green ❤️

[inland folio]

Has solar put me in my place yet

[inland folio]

https://tenor.com/view/agree-gif-13709165

[subtle sierra]

We have different definitions of being on the same page then

[inland folio]

I think I worded my shit wrong cause what you said is what I meant

[inland folio]

I mean this part is basically me entire point to a T

Well minus the not unviable part

But everything before that

[subtle sierra]

Perhaps, cause i only really remember you mentioning the deceit play gatekeeping control, which isn't even remotely true

[inland folio]

Well I just said it’s a minor aspect, and there’s many things keeping it out

I like to play control, and if control is good post SOS I’ll craft it, I just don’t think this is a meta for it

[subtle sierra]

Well my point is that deceit is entirely inconsequential for control due to nml existing

Even if you're on the play and deceit them t2 you have to hit the nml so the only upside you get is that deceit hits the gy

Otherwise, nice deceit in exile

[inland folio]

Also on the point about ultima and friends, I do know control builds vary, I’ve seen some who’ve cut manlands, and some who still play them

There isn’t 1 agreed upon way to play it

[subtle sierra]

I've seen 1 manland on 2 builds out of like 15

I wouldn't even say they're played at this point

[inland folio]

I mean I agree with not playing them

Unlike surveils they don’t actually fix your draws

And they are more likely to make it where you draw multiple tap lands early on

[inland folio]

Also I think you’re undervaluing hand info here

[subtle sierra]

I'm not, in that matchup you only care if they have a counter or not after the thoughseize, and you can't really change that fact either

You can't really play around it in either case

If that deck had other bodies, maybe

[inland folio]

I mean it depends on the deceit pile

Some of them play cos

In which case nml is just a brick

[subtle sierra]

There's only one viable pile rn really

[inland folio]

Why would I rip the counter spell if u can’t counter any of my plays

After all

[subtle sierra]

Yes but every other removal is useless anyway so there's nothing good to rip besides draw power

[inland folio]

Ripping draw power can be good idk

[subtle sierra]

Witch is usually super w/e cause it's either evoked and it's t2/3 or it's later and you don't care that much either then

Or you can respond to it

I played a bunch vs doomsday in arena and the thoughtseize doesn't matter much unless you opened 6 lands stock up

[inland folio]

I mean if you do that you mull it away

Unless there’s some rule to never mull in control idk of

[subtle sierra]

There's a decent chance I'd keep that hand blind g1

Surveil to fix next draw, t3 stock up for wipe

Decent chance you top an nml or helix t2

[inland folio]

Idk sounds crazy to me

[subtle sierra]

If I'm going first, and it has 2 surveil lands, and a decent spread of colors on the lands, I'm keeping it

If i know I'm on the draw I'd wanna make sure i have an interaction t2 to kill their badger

[inland folio]

Ig im just too nervous

[subtle sierra]

It comes with experience

Again, if I'm not going first, I'm not keeping that, as I'm already a turn behind

Conversely, it's the opposite if I'm going first, so "skipping" a turn to just surveil or stock up doesn't outright kill you most of the time

[steady onyx]

bro going first as control and stock up on t3 is gg for oponent

[subtle sierra]

And with 3 draws, 2 surveils, and 5 stock up checks you will find doj

Or at least helix to stall for another turn

6 lands also means you only need another for rev to be live

[knotty ferry]

Thank you solar

@atomic harness your disciple yunified has much to learn about magic the gathering...

[sleek ferry]

@subtle sierra we’ve come to the conclusion that you’re prismari irl, congratulations

[subtle sierra]

hey i used to play 1 copy when it was in standard

it was funny if you got both goldspan and prismari out

https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=36547&d=475067&f=ST goated list

[sleek ferry]

I would hope so, considering izzet dragons was the best deck of the format back then

[subtle sierra]

i miss it

i really miss two face cards with lands

you run 20 lands but actually 27

that was so goated

[tardy echo]

Can we please have W7 back in standard

[atomic harness]

I'll allow it just this once cakethy

[subtle sierra]

he looks ok

[knotty ferry]

What's w7

Also ngl I kinda wanna play jeskai control

All the lands are rare

Sigh

Need to use dogshit ones

Maybe solar was right to keep making new accounts

[subtle sierra]

[[wren and seven]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/226/wrenn-and-seven

Wrenn and Seven <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
+1: Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put all land cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
0: Put any number of land cards from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
−3: Create a green Treefolk creature token with reach and "This token's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control."
−8: Return all permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 5

[subtle sierra]

there's a bunch of wren and number

well "bunch"

2

w6 is [[wrenn and six]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/296/wrenn-and-six

Wrenn and Six <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
+1: Return up to one target land card from your graveyard to your hand.
−1: Wrenn and Six deals 1 damage to any target.
−7: You get an emblem with "Instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard have retrace." (You may cast instant and sorcery cards from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying their other costs.)
Loyalty: 3

[subtle sierra]

this one's crazy and cringe

hi hello nice 1 toughness idiot

[knotty ferry]

Interesting...

[tardy echo]

There’s 3 wrenns

2 have numbers 1 is [[wrenn and realmbreaker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/217/wrenn-and-realmbreaker

Wrenn and Realmbreaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
Lands you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
+1: Up to one target land you control becomes a 3/3 Elemental creature with vigilance, hexproof, and haste until your next turn. It's still a land.
−2: Mill three cards. You may put a permanent card from among the milled cards into your hand.
−7: You get an emblem with "You may play lands and cast permanent spells from your graveyard."
Loyalty: 4

[subtle sierra]

realmbreaker isn't a number

but yea

[tardy echo]

This card was tight as fuck but unfort didn’t have a real home

Then there’s also just

[subtle sierra]

i pulled one off a promo pack on saturday

[tardy echo]

[[seven]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “seven”, can you be more specific?

[tardy echo]

[[six]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/169/six

Six <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk
Reach
Whenever Six attacks, mill three cards. You may put a land card from among them into your hand.
During your turn, nonland permanent cards in your graveyard have retrace. (You may cast permanent cards from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying their other costs.)
2/4

[tardy echo]

I always forget

[atomic harness]

Cake can we have meathook massacre back

I miss that card

[subtle sierra]

cake you're doing an elaborate 67 joke

[tardy echo]

You know what why not

[tardy echo]

I promise I’m not

Wotc did it before me

[atomic harness]

oops

[[the meathook massacre]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/122/the-meathook-massacre

The Meathook Massacre <:manax:292901509082120202><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
When The Meathook Massacre enters, each creature gets -X/-X until end of turn.
Whenever a creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, you gain 1 life.

[atomic harness]

This card was so goated back in the day @knotty ferry

[tardy echo]

If meathook massacre was such a good card why didn’t they make a [[meathook massacre II]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/108/meathook-massacre-ii

Meathook Massacre II <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
When Meathook Massacre II enters, each player sacrifices X creatures of their choice.
Whenever a creature you control dies, you may pay 3 life. If you do, return that card under your control with a finality counter on it.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, they may pay 3 life. If they don't, return that card under your control with a finality counter on it.

[subtle sierra]

is uh probably fine

[atomic harness]

I hate the second one it sucks

but it was meant to be bad right

[tardy echo]

Yes that’s the meme

[subtle sierra]

idk if i'd like like it back, but i think it's probably not broken or anything

[tardy echo]

Movie sequels always suck

It’s also not the worst card just not a good board wipe

I think once in a blue moon you used to see aristocrats playing 1/2 in side in standard

Idk why it was double x and not just single x

[golden plover]

Hmm maybe we need to hit Izzet again lol

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry @knotty ferry take notes

Take notes too I guess @steady onyx @inland folio

[golden plover]

I know it's like 3 different decks but it's saying something when 90% of standard is the same color combo

[tardy echo]

Hmm yes green is the problem this format I agree

Can we please just ban stock up idk

[golden plover]

Prowess would still be tier 1 without stock up

Lessons probably too

I think realistically you've gotta hit stock up and stormchasers or boomerang basics

[tardy echo]

Lessons would suffer the hit less than prowess lol

But yes I know

It’s just crazy that everybody just stopped talking about how broken that card is

Sees play in vintage btw !!

[golden plover]

The Izzet shell is just too strong rn. They've gotta lose like 2-3 cards to get back in check

[tardy echo]

And then wonder why prowess is so insane like it’s normal for aggro to have that much card selection and refueling

[golden plover]

There's really nothing else in standard that can compete with the sheer amount of value that Izzet generates

[tardy echo]

I think basics is fine (cool, even)

Maybe they should ban slickshot

[golden plover]

Slickshot and Stormchasers might be correct actually

All the prowess guys outside of those two aren't as immediately problems

[atomic harness]

I said this but thugs said no (it was gonna rotate out soon)

I'm not sure who thought slickshot was balanced card design

[golden plover]

I feel like slickshot should've lost either the plot ability or should've been regular prowess

Either way, izzet 100% needs to be dialed back since it's the only thing worth playing rn

[tardy echo]

Idk I think stock up is definitely a problem and I don’t think you need to triple ban

[subtle sierra]

regular prowess is a sidegrade and not a nerf imo

the toughness buff is relevant into removal

[tardy echo]

Slickshot or stormchasers + stock up ban is probably enough to make prowess a playable deck but not overpowered

[inland folio]

Stock up doesn’t hurt lessons at all no?

[tardy echo]

It’s a sidegrade that makes the card much less annoying to play against

Bc even if it dodges some removal if you can’t kill it it wouldn’t one shot you

[tardy echo]

Some lists play a couple

[subtle sierra]

ig fair but i like that you can shock it and it dies unless they have bulk up

[inland folio]

I heard people say post sos you cut boomerang and storm chaser

[tardy echo]

And then they have bulk up and then you die instead

[inland folio]

Idr who said that tho

[subtle sierra]

they've been cutting that long ago

[golden plover]

Yeah lessons is moving away from the stormchasers core

So they'd need a hit elsewhere there

[inland folio]

That makes sense the card does feel weaker

[tardy echo]

Lessons is basically just all engine

So you have to actually hit a lessons card lol

Just ban accumulate if you want it out of the format

[inland folio]

I mean you could also just kill monument or the red talent

But those also kill other decks

[tardy echo]

Those enable other decks that are cool to have in the format

[golden plover]

Honestly 2 year rotation would help a ton lmao

Slickshot and Sleight of Hand would be gone already

[subtle sierra]

honestly just kill artists

[golden plover]

Artists Talent would rotate this year

[subtle sierra]

let rakdos keep monument

[inland folio]

Rakdos peed….

[tardy echo]

I didn’t know he could do tha

[inland folio]

I still don’t get what that is

[tardy echo]

Rakdos speed

It’s thugs copium

Unless u mean you don’t know what speed is

[golden plover]

Yeah Rakdos can keep monument

[tardy echo]

In which case [[bashtronaut]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/115/burnout-bashtronaut

Burnout Bashtronaut <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Menace
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Max speed — This creature has double strike.
1/1

[inland folio]

Speed is just the aetherdift mechanic I think

[golden plover]

Killing Artists Talent hits Lessons pretty hard

[inland folio]

And a twitch streamer

[inland folio]

They lose extra copies of the gran gran discount and their best way to turn on monument

So yeah pretty hard hit

[tardy echo]

While we’re asking for daydream hits can we also ban momo

Fuck that guy word me @sleek ferry

[inland folio]

Esp since gran gran dies to rest in peace unlike artists

What was the set they said wouldn’t be in standard

[golden plover]

The momo deck is struggling rn lol

[inland folio]

Was that avatar

[tardy echo]

Rest in peace my granny she got hit by a bazooka

[subtle sierra]

wow the set isn't out yet and you already want to kill the card

[golden plover]

Let them have a chance to live

[tardy echo]

No truly fuck that deck

[golden plover]

But yeah we all know there won't be any bans next list

[tardy echo]

Also struggling my left testicle

It still has been placing at recent events

[golden plover]

It's "too close to a new set release" or "a set is just about to come out" or "pro tour is about to happen" or "pro tour just happened"

[inland folio]

For some reason I forgot you were a dude and was confused

[golden plover]

You gotta remember that wotc operates off a mystical ban window that can't be too close to anything else happening

[tardy echo]

Bro thought I was misty…?

[inland folio]

Yeah

[tardy echo]

I do remember that I think u people are the ones who keep forgetting

[inland folio]

I was like since when did this dude have testicles

And then I remembered

[tardy echo]

I don’t even know what you’re referring to

Momo is real and really annoying in current standard regardless of the stuff it gets in sos

[inland folio]

I get you solar and misty confused a lot

[tardy echo]

???

[subtle sierra]

[[daydream]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/9/daydream

Daydream <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[tardy echo]

Oh I thought you were talking about the bird 3 drop

[inland folio]

Mockingbird?

[tardy echo]

This is a cool card actually no lie

[inland folio]

Or the red card

[tardy echo]

No in sos

[golden plover]

Oh also if anything Izzet is only gonna get better with Strixhaven

[subtle sierra]

ye it's cool

[tardy echo]

Neither of the 2 cards you mentioned are 3 drops

[subtle sierra]

cake meant the pilot

thugs loves him

[inland folio]

S the lute that good

[golden plover]

[[Traumatic Clique]] is a new tool for the decks

[tardy echo]

Not even that

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/239/traumatic-critique

Traumatic Critique <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Traumatic Critique deals X damage to any target. Draw two cards, then discard a card.
"The artist should suffer for their craft, not the audience!" —Galazeth Prismari

[tardy echo]

That card is also cool

The white bird that board pumps

[inland folio]

White red bird

[subtle sierra]

ye it's good too

[inland folio]

That I called Abigail that one time

[golden plover]

Izzet lists won't play the lute iko

[tardy echo]

It’s just the most boring one

Of all the blink stuff

[inland folio]

It’s also the best one no

[tardy echo]

Shrug

Daydream is also prob gonna be a good card

[inland folio]

The only things you can blink rn are warp cards right

[knotty ferry]

Looks good

[inland folio]

None of the blink cards are instants

[tardy echo]

There are some random etbs with strong effects

[inland folio]

That are also cheap enough to justify

[knotty ferry]

Son I hate stormchasers talent...

[tardy echo]

But it’s mostly warp stuff

[inland folio]

Yeah but these aren’t cheap right

[tardy echo]

Blinking something like [[starfield shepherd]] is insane value

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/37/starfield-shepherd

Starfield Shepherd <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel
Flying
When this creature enters, search your library for a basic Plains card or a creature card with mana value 1 or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/2

[inland folio]

Like if u blink quantum diddler ur up

[tardy echo]

In 1/2/3 you still find them

Ppl occasionally blink pixie

In momo right now

For sage of the sky triggers

[glad peak]

Rakdos shouldn’t be anywhere near the top 8 with izzet being 9/10 of the top 10, nerf rakdos

Keep izzet

[inland folio]

I think the real sinful thing is that even outside Izzet the entire meta is blue

Even the green guys splash blue for fun sometimes

[atomic harness]

Simic... holy

[tardy echo]

I remember when everyone was saying simic was turbo broken and I was it’s lone defender

And look where we are now

[inland folio]

Defending what

[golden plover]

Lmao I'm seeing mono-green players talking about hamlet being a game ender for them "They can t1 call fabled passage". Bro no one is gonna be playing hamlet

I just can't see Hamlet having enough use cases to see play outside of maybe being boarded in control

[glad peak]

Rakdos is the only non-izzet deck in the top 10 and not blue

[tardy echo]

Saying that it wasn’t that good lol

[atomic harness]

Sigh mudkip rog ishai kinda feels troll you have to whine so much to get anywhere

Back to blue farm it is

[glad peak]

Welcome to blue based decks

[atomic harness]

Sigh son thrasios wouldn't let me down

[glad peak]

Every blue based deck relies on the whining of the player to do anything

Thrasios especially

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

even rog si?

[glad peak]

Yep

“Don’t counter my necro, I’m not pushing for a win plz don’t counter plz plz plz”

[sleek ferry]

Mtgo standard challenges are super unserious

[atomic harness]

Necro sculpt

Thank you thugs

[sleek ferry]

Dudes be on twitter begging anybody to join challenges “please we need 19 more people to fire off this 20 person challenge”

[atomic harness]

Sigh little one I find it hard to use necrodominance

[glad peak]

green isnt good
mono green is 2nd most represented deck in terms of tops

[atomic harness]

I'm getting better at naus and potence though

[sleek ferry]

Also, both of those lesson lists that “topped” were on stormchasers when the deck has moved away from stormchasers

[glad peak]

Gitgud

[atomic harness]

Storm chasers is broken thugs

[knotty ferry]

Wtf is hamlet

[atomic harness]

@knotty ferry hates that card

[glad peak]

Hamlet’s a play written by Shakespeare

[atomic harness]

peer into the abyss

[sleek ferry]

Stormchasers is a very good card, there’s just better stuff you can be running in lessons is all

[atomic harness]

Are any of the broodlord decks any good little mudkip

I like that card

[knotty ferry]

Yeah that card is hitler

I hate it

[[Hamlet]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Hamlet”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

No, it’s hamlet

[glad peak]

There’s a bunch

[atomic harness]

Someone pull up the weird pithing needle land card

It's not actually good pretty sure

[sleek ferry]

Idt come the banlist storm chasers is the hit anyways, as it doesn’t actually solve anything

[atomic harness]

oh speaking of which i wanted to try tymna dargo

It looks so cool in all the YouTube vids

[golden plover]

[[Petrified Hamlet]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/259/petrified-hamlet

Petrified Hamlet

Land
When this land enters, choose a land card name.
Activated abilities of sources with the chosen name can't be activated unless they're mana abilities.
Lands with the chosen name have ": Add ."
: Add .

[atomic harness]

and mayhem devil bodybags the table

[golden plover]

People are hyping this up to be the mono-green killer

[atomic harness]

or like hostages someone

[golden plover]

But I think this card sucks shit

[glad peak]

Some way to get broodlord out + 2 mana wins if you’re running pinnacle monk

[atomic harness]

Me too wrestling tht card doesn't sound good

[sleek ferry]

For what lol, naming ba sing se?

[golden plover]

It gets worse every time I read it like a reverse Thunder Dragon Colossus lol

[glad peak]

Tymna dargo’s great but I don’t think you can navigate its combo lines

[golden plover]

From what I've seen it's "name fabled passage early and ba sing se late"

[glad peak]

[golden plover]

They'll just crack the passage in response lmao

[sleek ferry]

Yeah this is extremely cope

[atomic harness]

Sigh

[sleek ferry]

The card gets more solid the more eternal the format is

[golden plover]

It slows them down a bit

But it's bad

[atomic harness]

Yeah the techno mancer thing was confusing me

[golden plover]

Lmao not even

What do you name with this in modern?

[sleek ferry]

Shifting woodlands

[golden plover]

Only relevant option lol

Literally any other name is wasting your time

[sleek ferry]

Idk, that’s a pretty big one imo

[golden plover]

They'll crack a fetch in response and still get the urza's saga triggers

[atomic harness]

I'll probably just play some bad esper deck mudkip

[golden plover]

Yeah amulet probably plays 1 to name woodlands when it matters

[atomic harness]

It's like rog ishai except both of your commanders are good

[golden plover]

But this card is so ass

[atomic harness]

and you get to rhystic way better

[sleek ferry]

You could also name thespian’s stage

But like lol

That card isn’t seeing play anywhere right now

[glad peak]

If you don’t think Rog is good then you gotta go back to basic training

[atomic harness]

Oh no like rog is broken, but ishai sucks

[glad peak]

I’ve been liking wrong si more lately

Or storm si

[atomic harness]

Yeah I was gonna ask about wrong si actually

[sleek ferry]

Oh, Boseiju works also

[glad peak]

I’m building a wrong si variant of marchesa with broodlord win lines

[golden plover]

Can't they still do the channel ability?

[sleek ferry]

Channel counts as an activated ability no?

[glad peak]

Feels good to have a half rhystic in the command zone

[golden plover]

That's a good question lemme check and see

Oh it would block the channel ability

[sleek ferry]

If it his boseiju and otawara channel abilities it is way better than I initially thought

[golden plover]

But it's another situation where they can activate it in response

You always have a response window because of this being an etb

[sleek ferry]

Yeah ofc, and that’s where the skill ceiling of hamlet will be

[golden plover]

Yeah and activating it in response sometimes isn't possible

But there's other times where you play it, declare Boseiju, and they immediately pop it with said Boseiju

[sleek ferry]

Which you’re probably fine with, especially if your vsing Titan and they’re doing this before they can loop

[golden plover]

Yeah. I think it's like okay but it'd probably only come up that way in the titan mirror

I dunno what else in modern rn runs Boseiju and NEEDS to be able to channel it?

[atomic harness]

I wonder if we'll ever get mh4

[golden plover]

On one hand, it'd be cool

[atomic harness]

also I'm guessing Hamlet is something they designed for a future crazy land?

[golden plover]

On the other hand, god save modern if that ever happens

[atomic harness]

rn there's nothing great to use it on

[twilit canyon]

also nothing restricted in timeless off the rip but they expect vamp tutor to need a restriction eventually

notably means angel's grace ad naus combo is available in historic

brain freeze and breach are now available too

preordain is new too

culling the weak is interesting

there is already 2 strong black decks focused on sacrifice

living end combo is live in historic albeit, only violent outburst and no shardless

pyretic ritual and jeska's will when ruby storm is already playable in the format will go well

[trail anvil]

this wasn't timeless legal? it was legal in brawl for a while

[twilit canyon]

glimpse with elves...

[twilit canyon]

uhh idt its in the format

[[#preordain]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/161/preordain

Preordain Legality

Standard

Not Legal

Future

Not Legal

Historic

Banned

Timeless

Legal

Gladiator

Legal

Pioneer

Not Legal

Modern

Legal

Legacy

Legal

Pauper

Legal

Vintage

Legal

Penny

Not Legal

Commander

Legal

Oathbreaker

Legal

Standardbrawl

Not Legal

Brawl

Legal

Alchemy

Not Legal

Paupercommander

Legal

Duel

Legal

Oldschool

Not Legal

Premodern

Not Legal

Predh

Legal

[twilit canyon]

its banned?

huh

i feel like thats incorrect it should just not be legal rn

cus we have ponder

guess we'll see

[trail anvil]

idk which set would be legal for timeless but not historic

[twilit canyon]

may have been prebanned then

which should be revised atp

we have ponder... vastly stronger

also berserk legal...

berserk shadow for game?

[trail anvil]

very nice

[twilit canyon]

some real powerful stuff added

glimpse elves with wirewood all we really need are nettle sentinels and heritage druids to infinitely storm off

[tardy echo]

Sigh they never let us have fun

[twilit canyon]

these are fine bans in historic

even if i wish to have allowed fow just in case

[tardy echo]

Let me play library… grr…

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1sqowkc/whats_the_greatest_magic_card_of_the_last_decade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[tardy echo]

It’s literally not letting me vote for lurrus holy fight rigging

[hidden ermine]

I'm shocked Urzas won over Broko

[tardy echo]

Oko is broken in a less aggressive way than saga

Saga sort of fundamentally breaks the rules oko is just a ridiculously over efficient card

Idt either compare to lurrus though who both fundamentally breaks the rules and is over efficient

[twilit canyon]

lurrus is the goat

maybe best creature ever printed i think

[copper pecan]

understandable

[golden plover]

There's no world Lurrus should lose this one

Saga is broken, but Lurrus got a power level errata and a ban in vintage

There's a strong argument for Lurrus being one of the strongest cards of all time pre nerf

[tardy echo]

What even contends

[copper pecan]

pre-errata lurrus is easily the best creature ever printed

it warped the game around itself in a way not other creature ever has

the only other real contender is birds of paradise imo

[subtle sierra]

chat i think i have perfected my cope

worst case i can just pivot back to jeskai or jeskai black

[twilit canyon]

ragavan... psychic frog...
both contenders i think

small argument for dreadhorde arcanist and atraxa

sorry to be clear

these are all imo better than bop but worse than pre-errata lurrus

[glad peak]

There’s also anti monkey cat

[knotty ferry]

[[improvisation capstone]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/120/improvisation-capstone

Improvisation Capstone <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery — Lesson
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile cards with total mana value 4 or greater. You may cast any number of spells from among them without paying their mana costs.
Paradigm (Then exile this spell. After you first resolve a spell with this name, you may cast a copy of it from exile without paying its mana cost at the beginning of each of your first main phases.)

[knotty ferry]

Holy

[tardy echo]

I would say lurrus>>>>>>>>frog>arcanist=ragavan>>atraxa

At least imo

I might even be inclined to believe obm is better than atraxa in a non vintage context but that might be heretical

[knotty ferry]

One bunch man?

[tardy echo]

[[orcish bow masters]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/103/orcish-bowmasters

Orcish Bowmasters <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Orc Archer
Flash
When this creature enters and whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, this creature deals 1 damage to any target. Then amass Orcs 1.
1/1

[tardy echo]

Shockingly accurate description

[knotty ferry]

Amass orcs 1

[tardy echo]

Amass creates a unique token if you don’t have one and then gives it +1/+1

[knotty ferry]

Wow that is actually broken no

[tardy echo]

Yes this card is insane

[knotty ferry]

Like if u go first, 2 mana, ur opp has a 1 toughness guy, you kill it and generate a body

That's nuts

[tardy echo]

Yeppers

They nerfed it on arena for alchemy format purposes

[knotty ferry]

Alchemy

[tardy echo]

Yes yes fake format

But they normally don’t do that to cards unless they’re actually broken

[knotty ferry]

Nah that is fine. The problem is half the packs they gave me were for alchemy

I couldve had normal packs

[tardy echo]

Ya it’s annoying how much they’ve been pushing it

But historic has been getting more popular recently at least

[knotty ferry]

Historic is analogous to modern right

[tardy echo]

Historic is a bit more broken

But also lacks a lot of things modern has

But, as misty said, stuff like angels grace ad naus

[zinc shard]

Draft Token in the store

[glad peak]

I’m struggling not adding [[sire of insanity]] to my turbo deck

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/104/sire-of-insanity

Sire of Insanity <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Demon
At the beginning of each end step, each player discards their hand.
Its victims become mindless lunatics. Conveniently, that's the first step in joining the Cult of Rakdos.
6/4

[sleek ferry]

Sigh I pulled an Adam

[glad peak]

Getting this turn 1 is obviously gg idiots but sneaking this in against rhystic piles is funny af

[sleek ferry]

I picked up a foil retro frame Craterhoof

Just because it was a good price

Now I’m incentivized to play green

[knotty ferry]

Sigh

[glad peak]

Actually screw this I’m going into a field of rhystic slop anyways

Sire into the deck it goes

[knotty ferry]

Can I just use a piece of paper as a token

Like I just write "map token" on it

Should be fine right?

Btw I had to transform Cecil yesterday, taking that shit out of the sleeve and putting it back in was so cringe

There has to be a better way to print these types of cards

[copper pecan]

yeah that would be fine as long as it's clear when it is or isn't tapped

[knotty ferry]

Well it's pay a mana and sacrifice it right

So you can't tap it

[twilit canyon]

find a dry erase token deck

[knotty ferry]

Holy shit just looked that up

Sounds good

I bet my local store has rhat

That

Thank you

Wait, instead of flipping Cecil around, can I not use a token to represent the transformed form?

I can write all the details

[glad peak]

There’s people who use the double sided card placeholders with names written on it

And then when the card gets cast the original is placed on top

[knotty ferry]

Yeah, I think I can just do that

I'd rather do that than flip my beautiful foil by removing both sleeves every time...

Bc I have to transform back between games lol

[glad peak]

Problem is that you should consult the judge regarding it since technically it’s fine from wotc pov but lgs might be different

[knotty ferry]

I can do that

I think it's just especially annoying bc of double sleeves

[tardy echo]

In a lot of non standard formats there’s synergies where you tap maps for other effects

[glad peak]

Perfect card design

[tardy echo]

Ie improvise

[subtle sierra]

waterbending

[glad peak]

mox sapphire

[knotty ferry]

Ok if I somehow tap my map token I'll turn it sideways

[sleek ferry]

Waterbending bro

[knotty ferry]

Ugh the calendar was wrong they don't have standard on mondays

Only alternating fridays

BRO

Sigh

I got my dream beavers though

Gg

[sleek ferry]

Sheesh @stark skiff

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry you were right, soulstone sanctuary is broken

in like 3 of my last 5 games, i killed someone with kaito +1 and soulstone sanctuary

LOL

holy fuck its INSANE

[barren cairn]

Building my first commander deck in years lol

[sleek ferry]

A great player once said, “if you’re not +1ing Kaito, you’re playing him wrong”

[knotty ferry]

Who was that great player

[sleek ferry]

Nielsen

[knotty ferry]

leslie?

https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-the-naked-gun-intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-gif-26797008

[knotty ferry]

just lost to blue green dragon control

yuni is trolling this shit is broken

yo south wind avatar or whatever is cool af

im tryna play that

this guy added boomerang basics lowkey cooked my ass but that was funny af

[tardy echo]

Sometimes wish cards add boring stuff

It’s the way of life

[knotty ferry]

green players are legit so stupid lmfao

this guy

uysed his entire hand

to make his mossborn hydra 1024/1024

i activated floodpits drowner before combat

guy couldnt do anything

[sleek ferry]

Being able to add whatever you need from your sideboard is good

[sudden lava]

LEAKS

from the MTG Rumor reddit

Yes you are seeing that right, ||blue Chandra||

[glad peak]

I’m more concerned about tod coming back

[golden plover]

I actually don't think ToD is good enough for standard rn?

Like I'm not convinced there's a deck that'd want her

[subtle sierra]

It would have been ok for my izzet shit after ral rotated, but sos have us lute so I'm not sure it's worth

[golden plover]

Chill of Compliance looks unplayable

Stingcaster is probably decent

[knotty ferry]

What set is this

[subtle sierra]

Should be reality fracture

Cause ||blue chandra||

Also only non ub set left this year

[knotty ferry]

October???

Holy

Early ass leaks

[twilit canyon]

i'd like tod in standard

[golden plover]

Well good news

[tardy echo]

We normally get a very small batch of reveals extremely early

For example we saw lorehold and mathemagics about 4(?) months ago

As official reveals

[twilit canyon]

chandra coc is funny too

[tardy echo]

It’s a neat card idk if there’s any decks for her rn

But this is also 3 sets in the future so

[zinc shard]

I love the artwork on ||Stingcaster||

with the glass showing ||Snapcaster||

[twilit canyon]

yea

[knotty ferry]

2 wins away from mythic

Holy shit

IM A GOD AT MAGIC

[glad peak]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[stark skiff]

you won it?

[sleek ferry]

Nah, I’m not a big baller like you, I just thought that was a solid price

The katara went for under $400 later on

[stark skiff]

oh yea that was a good price. its how much i got mine around there and its gone up a good bit

im missing katara and zuko still

[sleek ferry]

Yeah that stream was crazy, they were giving away good stuff + selling good singles

[inland folio]

how rare is it to randomly get a rare from these?

[twilit canyon]

ehh it happens every once in a while. this is the random card reward from the bp right/

[copper pecan]

it's 1 in 8 iirc

1 in 64 for a mythic

[inland folio]

the faily thing yeah

[twilit canyon]

not the most common but again, it happens

[inland folio]

these

[inland folio]

yeah it feels rare af tho

like once a month type thing

[twilit canyon]

ive gotten one maybe once a month maybe

so it tracks

[inland folio]

btw

why has no one tried some kinda mox jasper affinity type deck in standard

if we're shoving firdoch core into anything might as well be something trying to win

[twilit canyon]

they have

mox jasper is unfortunately just not good enough

[inland folio]

sad

[twilit canyon]

the affinity cards available and artifact core doesnt has a single dragon that can remotely enable the card

so its just a dud 0 mana

[inland folio]

i mean as i said theres firdoch core

[twilit canyon]

yea even then

[inland folio]

but yeah

probably idk

[twilit canyon]

if we had [[moonsnare prototype]] maybe

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/69/moonsnare-prototype

Moonsnare Prototype <:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, Tap an untapped artifact or creature you control: Add .
Channel — , Discard this card: The owner of target nonland permanent puts it on their choice of the top or bottom of their library.

[inland folio]

yeah i feel like the deck is 1 or 2 cards off being there

[twilit canyon]

i do think marvel will maybe get us there since the iron man they showed off cares for artifacts but ig we'll see

[inland folio]

i mean im hoping for it to be a dragon

[twilit canyon]

mmm

[inland folio]

that breaks

[twilit canyon]

maybe

[inland folio]

than like some boring card

[twilit canyon]

give us a 1 drop dragon that gives even a little shit about artifacts

hell, a 2 drop is fine too

[inland folio]

a dragon that likes shiny jewels? never

[twilit canyon]

reprint the uncommon casey jones as a dragon

[inland folio]

spyglass siren but a dragon idk

[twilit canyon]

that card's so sick i wish it was just a teeny bit better

[inland folio]

would that be good enough

[twilit canyon]

uh

1 drop makes a thing

yeah

[inland folio]

[[spyglass siren]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/78/spyglass-siren

Spyglass Siren <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
When this creature enters, create a Map token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")
1/1

[twilit canyon]

either would need to be an artifact itself or make one tho

[inland folio]

ok it is an artifact token

idk why i thought it wouldnt be

[inland folio]

well yeah make a clue or map or whatever token

hungry dragon 1 mana blue creature make a food token

[twilit canyon]

it'd be red

greedy wyrmling
r creature - dragon
1/2
etb makes a clue

just a red reprint of thraben inspector

actually probs wouldnt make a clue

but something more temporary if its red

[inland folio]

1 mana 1/2 make a trasure token dragon

ezpz instant ban

[twilit canyon]

thats an instant ban yeah lmao

well maybe not instant but that'd be hella broken in many decks

would also be fine with a 2 mana version

[inland folio]

ornithopter but its an artifact dragon idk

[twilit canyon]

etb makes a map/clue/treasure
1r: eat an artifact, firebreath

[inland folio]

[[firebreath]]

[[firebreath]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/132/firebreathing

Firebreathing <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Enchanted creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
The mage breathed in life-giving air and breathed out death-bringing fire.

[inland folio]

i guess its just there for if u need it

[twilit canyon]

its the name of the ability from shivan dragon

[inland folio]

ah

[twilit canyon]

point is it eats an artifact

so it can eat munitions tokens

[inland folio]

[[munition token]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “munition token”

[twilit canyon]

[[weapons manufacturing]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/168/weapons-manufacturing

Weapons Manufacturing <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken artifact you control enters, create a colorless artifact token named Munitions with "When this token leaves the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to any target."
"Soon we'll have enough firepower to rid Evendo of its bug infestation." —General Tekvu, Kavaron Memorial Navy

[inland folio]

oh broken

holy

[twilit canyon]

this and arclight ravager has been a menace

[inland folio]

thats in standard?

[twilit canyon]

nah

[inland folio]

i thought people played the red bag that gives you big mana

[twilit canyon]

in other formats where arcbound is legal

[inland folio]

and then krang

[twilit canyon]

[[arcbound ravager]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mma/198/arcbound-ravager

Arcbound Ravager <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Beast
Sacrifice an artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Modular 1 (This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies, you may put its +1/+1 counters on target artifact creature.)
0/0

[inland folio]

and those get u there

[twilit canyon]

not legal in standard unfort

[inland folio]

krang is kinda a broken card im ngl

[twilit canyon]

it is

its not kappa cannoneer but its close enough

and its also not thought monitor but its also close enough and sometimes better

[inland folio]

[[kappa cannoneer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/74/kappa-cannoneer

Kappa Cannoneer <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Turtle Warrior
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ward
Whenever this creature or another artifact you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature. It can't be blocked this turn.
4/4

[inland folio]

is the extra hp that much better than draw 2-3

[[thought monitor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/79/thought-monitor

Thought Monitor <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Flying
When this creature enters, draw two cards.
It roams the skies over the Quicksilver Sea, alert for any hint of aberrant thought.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

cant be blocked is massive

[sudden lava]

Reality Fracture

[twilit canyon]

kappa is inevitable also with that huge ward cost

p much nothing kills it

[inland folio]

yeah i see now

[twilit canyon]

and then monitor is able to go down to 1 mana

[inland folio]

i find it hard to believe this is better tho

ig just costs hlaf yeah

[twilit canyon]

being able to cost 1 and not being legendary helps

[inland folio]

1 mana 2/2 draw 2

[twilit canyon]

kraang is nutty tho

goated topdeck

[inland folio]

i mean to me hes like 2 mana 10/4 draw 2-3

4 if ur going nutty

and i feel like 4 health is hard to kill usuaully

with like dmaage*

u kinda need a card that just syas kill thing

[twilit canyon]

modern affinity did drop monitors for krang atm because for the meta of that deck, its just better to krang w extra mana and draw 4

the 1 vs 2 doesnt matter to them

iirc they even dropped thoughtcast too

[inland folio]

i feel like the extra damage being pushed probably helps right

[twilit canyon]

nah

well

yes

but no

[inland folio]

oh do they just kill you anyways

[twilit canyon]

they kill with arcbound + munitions

or kappa

kappa unblockable and unkillable in 90% of scenarios

but krang does help of course

[inland folio]

oh so u dont really win wtih battle damage

ok so u do

[twilit canyon]

rather they dont interact with combat often in the deck

[inland folio]

just blockers are real

[twilit canyon]

krang downside is blockers are real for krang

[inland folio]

realer vs krang*

[twilit canyon]

not for kappa or arcbound

arcbound ravager is broken bc it also invalidates blockers

[inland folio]

how does arcbound ignore blockers again

[twilit canyon]

it eats whatever is blocked -> the one unblocked attacker

[inland folio]

so u need to block everything at once basically

[twilit canyon]

ie: 3 blockers vs your 4 attackers
they block 3/4 you sack everything into ravager and then ravager into your unblocked attacker and kill them anyways

yea and this is a deck with pinnacle emissary so

you'll always be outmatched on attackers vs blockers

[inland folio]

yeah i feel like that also happens in standard

[twilit canyon]

same vs removal too where u cant just let ravager live

[inland folio]

i really do wonder what the deck is missing in standard tho

it feels like it has pieces

maybe just something that ties it all together?

[twilit canyon]

more or less

a card like ravager that can let you use weapons manufacturing proper

or

an enabler for the artifacts we do have

ie mox jasper

maybe something like metallic rebuke

or other interaction pieces that care about artifacts

[inland folio]

i did notice a lot of lists are low on actual interaction

its kinda just raw aggro

make guys and then shoot you in the face

[[metallic rebuke]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/59/metallic-rebuke

Metallic Rebuke <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Too little, too late. The machine is in motion." —Tezzeret

[twilit canyon]

yea and thats just like

[inland folio]

this would defo help

[twilit canyon]

tad bit too slow and linear

rebuke would be good

or even [[galvanic blast]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/125/galvanic-blast

Galvanic Blast <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Galvanic Blast deals 2 damage to any target.
Metalcraft — Galvanic Blast deals 4 damage instead if you control three or more artifacts.
Mirrodin has little weather, but it certainly has lightning.

[twilit canyon]

tho i understand not wanting galv in standard

[inland folio]

that looks like an obscense amt of damage

so fair

[twilit canyon]

it is yea

pauper burn all-star

not much elsewhere but it does randomly see play bc its so efficient

[inland folio]

with enough artifacts it is effectively just a 1 mana removal spell

that also gives you crazy reach

[twilit canyon]

going face is nice too

[inland folio]

yeah

[fallow citrus]

Allegedly these are reality fracture leaks

||I hope they are because this chandra seems really cool. Shame that they swapped snappy's flash ability for haste though||

[subtle sierra]

sigh aeri scroll up

[subtle sierra]

||i think having a cheaper one from sos that doesn't give a body is actually better||

[fallow citrus]

no

[subtle sierra]

ok oomfie

but we already discussed them

[fallow citrus]

which card are you talking about here

[subtle sierra]

[[flashback]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/115/flashback

Flashback <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Quintorius found that every new discovery motivated him to keep exploring.

[fallow citrus]

snap?

[subtle sierra]

uhh my point is that paying extra 1 mana is kinda meh for the 2/1 body rn

so i think flashback is better

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah

[subtle sierra]

so i'm not as hyped about that part of the leak

maybe i'm wrong, i've never played in anything where snapcaster was legal

but the 2/1 sounds super w/e

actually a 2/1 with haste might be ok for aggro, maybe mono red with some boost spells works well

cause there's also molten core maestro now

bulk up comes to mind

god i won so many games with it during prerelease

[inland folio]

so is that chandra dual faced or something

and u choose either red or blue side

[subtle sierra]

no

torch is an old card

[inland folio]

ah

[subtle sierra]

the set theme is that jace fucked shit up and haha multiverse

it's why we have black ral in sos

[inland folio]

yeah i get that i was just like are they doing 2 faced planeswalkers

regular version and reverse version

cause that sounded cool

[subtle sierra]

it sounds cool but those cards have a symbol on them

[inland folio]

i c

its like how the new epics have a symbol on them right

[subtle sierra]

that's for lessons

not for paradigm

[inland folio]

OH

[inland folio]

do the avatar cards have that symbol too

[subtle sierra]

yes

[inland folio]

[[boomerang lesson]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “boomerang lesson”

[inland folio]

ic

wait does that mean the avatar cards are gonna age decently over time

[subtle sierra]

wdym

[inland folio]

well i thought lesson was an avatar only gimmick

a parasitic mechanic is what people call them i think

[glad peak]

[subtle sierra]

nop it's returning from the previous strixhaven set

[inland folio]

do any of these new lessons go into the current shells we have that care about lesson cards

[subtle sierra]

if anything none of the old ones are used

the old ones are dogshit

[inland folio]

well that set isnt in standard rigth

[subtle sierra]

they made them overpriced for what they do cause you could wish them out of the sideboard with learn

[inland folio]

[[learn]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “learn”, can you be more specific?

[inland folio]

[subtle sierra]

i think you can see why they couldn't make them good as individual cards

avatar didn't return learn and just made lessons matter, so they're actually appropriately costed, or the pushed cards are underpriced

[glad peak]

Yep the only real good one outside of the “lessons matter” archetype is academic dispute

[inland folio]

learn works with the new lesson cards right

the avatar ones

[subtle sierra]

yes

[inland folio]

and paradigm

[subtle sierra]

not directly

[glad peak]

Yep

[subtle sierra]

it just happens all cards with paradigm are also lessons

if they make a new one it doesn't have to be a lesson

[inland folio]

paradigm is new right

[glad peak]

So it doesn’t really affect any format other than modern, legacy, or vintage tho

[inland folio]

in sos

[glad peak]

Paradigm is new

[subtle sierra]

yes

[inland folio]

hope we see more of em in the future

[glad peak]

The current ones all are lessons but they don’t inherently have to be lessons

But yeah learn in standard would’ve been pretty good

[subtle sierra]

i think it would have been insane

ofc it depends on what you slap the learn on but i think with how powerful the lessons are rn

[inland folio]

was this the best learn card or were there other ones

[subtle sierra]

iirc dispute was good, divide by 0 and uh that 2 mana 2/1

eyetwitch i think?

divide by 0 was banned iirc

[[divide by 0]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “divide by 0”

[subtle sierra]

fuck off

[[divide by zero]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/41/divide-by-zero

Divide by Zero <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target spell or permanent with mana value 1 or greater to its owner's hand.
Learn. (You may reveal a Lesson card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand, or discard a card to draw a card.)
"Misery. Inadequacy. Failure. The common denominator is you."

[inland folio]

seems strong

psuedo counterpslel that replaces itself

a lot fo these learn cards dont seem too atrociously ass

so i assume the lessons themselves were just completely unplayable

[subtle sierra]

they're not bad text wise but they all cost 1 or 2 mana too many for the text

[inland folio]

ig they didnt want a snapsaster situation

[subtle sierra]

the text isn't bad, but not for 3 or 5 mana

[glad peak]

The purpose was to make them specifically for the learn synergy until they decided to make “lessons matter” cards

[inland folio]

i can see that

i assume they just didnt want people to play above average tempo card that gets you best applicable above average tempo card

[glad peak]

Now you can stormchaser’s talent into academic dispute grab boomerang target talent

[inland folio]

makes it so the guy whos ahead is even more ahead

since they dont necessarily lose rescources

[glad peak]

Yep, played in the fringes of modern

People who want to play prowess but don’t want to commit to the playstyle

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/i/status/2046295195034198385

pigeon ➡️ MAGICON Vegas (@Pige0nize)

I'll cast flashback target flashback. cool, ill cast that flashback with flashback target the first flashback. cool cast past in flames with flashback. cast flashback target flashback, using the past in flames flashback ability not the flashback flashback ability. cast flshback-

X · Apr 20, 2026, 6:29 PM

[tardy echo]

This does exist though

Will/Rowan and new oko

[steady onyx]

what interests me is the possibility of snapcaster in standard

if they are doing both versions

would they reprint snapcaster and sting in the set? like both chandras?

[subtle sierra]

i'm not excited at all considering we're already getting one without the body

[steady onyx]

i mean sure but i think hving snapcaster would be interesting still

[tardy echo]

Snappy is in different colors than flashback

So it prob matters for something

[inland folio]

also while costing more it does come with a body

[inland folio]

yeah i like new oko

just meant like

mdfcs

but planeswalkers

not like they flip

[tardy echo]

Yeah

[[Will Scion of frost]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Will Scion of frost”

[tardy echo]

Kys bot

[[rowan scholar of sparks]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/156/rowan-scholar-of-sparks-will-scholar-of-frost

Rowan, Scholar of Sparks <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Rowan
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
+1: Rowan deals 1 damage to each opponent. If you've drawn three or more cards this turn, she deals 3 damage to each opponent instead.
−4: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay . If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy."
Loyalty: 2

Will, Scholar of Frost
Legendary Planeswalker — Will
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
+1: Up to one target creature has base power and toughness 0/2 until your next turn.
−3: Draw two cards.
−7: Exile up to five target permanents. For each permanent exiled this way, its controller creates a 4/4 blue and red Elemental creature token.
Loyalty: 4

[tardy echo]

Mdfc pw

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, X powerful spell on a body is usually better than just X powerful spell

[tardy echo]

Not the best card though unfort

[sleek ferry]

Especially when it’s an etb

With flash

[tardy echo]

2/2/1 flash is shockingly still good rate

• there are far more games than there should be where the clock is set by snap

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, like snapcaster might not be the dominant force it once was, but in standard it would be pretty nice I would assume

The question is, do I buy 4x the retro frames?

[tardy echo]

Is the set out on arena yet

[sleek ferry]

Sigh Gaytor

You should know the time line

It happens at the same time every set

https://fxtwitter.com/causewaybaymtg/status/2046542348788896169?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

CausewayBay (@CausewaybayMTG)

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FxTwitter · Apr 21, 2026, 10:51 AM

[tardy echo]

I never remember what time it is son

Also I missed the release day for tmnt and lorwyn both

Is it in 2 hours

[sleek ferry]

Maintenance is always at 11AM EST

And maintenance lasts 2-3 hours

[tardy echo]

Wao wotc is trying to keep me down

[subtle sierra]

oh yeah dance exists

it was great during prerelease

[inland folio]

i hate eddymurk crab

[subtle sierra]

ig for spellementals it's a draw one that drops around 2 spells to gy

[inland folio]

that card pmo

[sleek ferry]

This guy couldn’t have misplayed the mirror worse than he did

Granted ig this is plat, so it’s to be expected

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/tyj0cz-wlkQ?si=t86AR5G-ZCZqUnUr

[subtle sierra]

got matched in a ranked game

guy is named jdvance

casts burst lightning to my face

leaves

he cursed me, i will fucking die soon

[tardy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-set-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh's-curse-sand-gif-770168623807474523

[glad peak]

Hmmm I thought he was a tron player

[subtle sierra]

strixhaven is up

lmao they gave me exactly the shit i needed on this account

[inland folio]

first pack looking good

wait is it just really easy to hit alt arts

[subtle sierra]

it's in every pack

at least irl

[tardy echo]

Culling ritual should’ve been reprinted in standard

[inland folio]

i see

and here i thought i was lucky

[tardy echo]

Ok chat bless my pulls

Damn they got the erode artist to do the mountain it looks so pretty

Since when was blasphemous edict in foundations

That must be a new shadow drop @golden plover

[sleek ferry]

This skycoach card is fucking broken

[golden plover]

That card was made for foundations lol

[tardy echo]

You’re lying to me rn

[golden plover]

Nah it's a foundations original

[tardy echo]

Wotc invented this card yesterday??

[golden plover]

That too

[sleek ferry]

Also, my pulls were legit 4x quandrix and 4x red emeritus

Tf am I supposed to do with that

[tardy echo]

Well I already pulled all of the paradigms

[sleek ferry]

I guess I could hop on brawl and bully Komi

[golden plover]

The recent foundations shadowdrop for me was Sad Robot

When did they add him

[tardy echo]

Yoooo I pulled smallpox

[inland folio]

i thought red emeritus was broken son

best card in the set

[tardy echo]

SINCE WHEN WAS HARUSPEX IN THE BONUS SHEET

[inland folio]

youd never lie to me rigth

[tardy echo]

this one’s an actual shadow drop and it also lowkirk pisses me off

[sleek ferry]

idk about that, I can tell you the worst card in the set, it's the blue emeritus

[tardy echo]

Pulled crackle

And preordain holy

My bonus sheets have gone insane but my actual pulls have been horrid

[subtle sierra]

can't fucking wait to do this irl

[tardy echo]

Sylvan library grim haruspex preordain from bonus sheets but 4x prismari and black paradigm

[inland folio]

oh these bonus sheet cards look really cool