Magic the Gathering

[knotty ferry]

Bro

Super shredder might be the best card in the game

[twilit canyon]

its solid but its removal magnet

and i dont love it being a legendary means its kind of all in compared to moonshadow

[glad peak]

No

Very good card? Yes

[twilit canyon]

hm

wonder what i'd say is the best card in the game

single best

i can argue an answer for 1 card in each card type but...

hmmmm

[knotty ferry]

Silence commander player

I just beat a green black elf turbo deck by making my super shredder 14/14

The guy was scrambling

[glad peak]

No u

You’re more of a commander player than me

[knotty ferry]

How

[glad peak]

Tbf some people still call me a kiddy for playing modern

[fallow citrus]

so hard because so many cards are so good contextually

[twilit canyon]

what ? 😭

[twilit canyon]

yer

[knotty ferry]

Still better than a premodern player, word me @sleek ferry

[fallow citrus]

like underworld breach you could argue but then there are so many other cards

like LED or lotus or bazaar etc

[knotty ferry]

[[underworld breach]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/161/underworld-breach

Underworld Breach <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Each nonland card in your graveyard has escape. The escape cost is equal to the card's mana cost plus exile three other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast cards from your graveyard for their escape cost.)
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this enchantment.

[knotty ferry]

This seems terrible

Why is this good

[glad peak]

Ok commander player

[glad peak]

Are you a modern kiddy too?

[twilit canyon]

yes

guess i am

been playing modern for nearly 7 years

but ig im a modern kiddy

[glad peak]

I started with modern too

[twilit canyon]

i started on arean ngl

standard -> modern

[fallow citrus]

I play mishra's bauble, crack it, play it again because it costs 0, crack it, do this however many times I can, play brain freeze and mill myself, now I can cast anything I milled, then I can brain freeze my opp for their library or grapeshot them

simplifying it massively

[knotty ferry]

Grapeshot

No way that's a real card

[[grapeshot]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/125/grapeshot

Grapeshot <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Grapeshot deals 1 damage to any target.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Mages often seek to emulate the powerful relics lost to time and apocalypse.

[knotty ferry]

That's a real card

[[brain freeze]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/57/brain-freeze

Brain Freeze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target player mills three cards.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

[glad peak]

Among these only lotus fits, led is worse than lotus with almost the same combos and bazaar does nothing outside very specific decks

[knotty ferry]

[[mishras bauble]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/274/mishras-bauble

Mishra's Bauble <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Look at the top card of target player's library. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.
"Arcum is a babbling fool! Phyrexian technology is our greatest blessing. Take this delightful trinket for instance . . ." —Heidar, Rimewind master

[fallow citrus]

true actually but I was just trying to think of "broken" cards

but you're right those are just worse than lotus

[glad peak]

It might unironically be sol ring

It’s a toss up between sol ring and lotus

[knotty ferry]

Oh I see

You just abuse 0 cost cards

Spam them

And then use storm

Ok well that makes sense

[fallow citrus]

well it's just one way of using it

[knotty ferry]

I was thinking of it in the context of some black red mill deck

[fallow citrus]

some decks just used it as a value engine

https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=60676&d=656042&f=MO

[glad peak]

I remember using bauble + breach in the murktide mirror to get me a necro for 9

And then later using breach to bolt someone 6 times

[fallow citrus]

the card is just so fucking insane

[twilit canyon]

sol ring may actually be the goat hmm

[glad peak]

Stand-alone card, sol ring is better

In context with a curated list of other busted af cards, lotus is better

[knotty ferry]

Wtf is Canadian highlander

[glad peak]

Highlander but Canadian

Obviously

Nah it’s genesys format

[knotty ferry]

[glad peak]

But only 1 ofs

[sleek ferry]

1-0, clean 2-0 to start

[twilit canyon]

not to be confused with auslander

[sleek ferry]

[[abigale, poet laureate]] and [[inkling mascot]] are goated

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/170/abigale-poet-laureate-heroic-stanza

Abigale, Poet Laureate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
Whenever you cast a creature spell, Abigale becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/3

Heroic Stanza
Sorcery
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/196/inkling-mascot

Inkling Mascot <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Inkling Cat
Repartee — Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature, this creature gains flying until end of turn. Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
At the ready when words fail.
2/2

[sleek ferry]

I also think the uncommon black mystical archives in the set are too good

Getting free feed the swarm + bitter triumph off that slot is crazy

[past socket]

Never heard of Auslander

[trail anvil]

the repeatable prepare creatures seem goated for a limited environment in general

[past socket]

Mate of mine really enjoyed Lluwen while playing Witherbloom

[subtle sierra]

tam cooked me r3

her prepare condition is stupid lmao

[tardy echo]

I have a more positive opinion on it than most of the ppl in this chat (I think it’s playable) but it’s apparently the #1 most expensive presale from sos

lol

[trail anvil]

wait really? I'm surprised

[tardy echo]

That’s what I mean lol

[trail anvil]

it has a demonic tutor on it but I'd figure some other mythic would beat it out for presale

[tardy echo]

I think it’ll probably end up seeing fringe play in standard in some reanimator deck or smth

But like more expensive than the blue emeritus

[twilit canyon]

oh lol thats just commander players

[tardy echo]

Both of which, at least imo, are worse than the white one

[twilit canyon]

commander players will gas up garbage

[tardy echo]

Ok but is the card not even worse in commander

Where u have actual factual tutors all legal

[twilit canyon]

yes but commander players fear garbage like coalition victory

and hype up shit from a butt

[tardy echo]

Crazy

[fallow citrus]

it is crazy

[tardy echo]

Anyways I do think it’ll be playable to some extent

[fallow citrus]

had an actual "argument" with someone ik that plays commander about why it's not the best card ever made

[twilit canyon]

[[$leyline tyrant]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/221/leyline-tyrant

Prices for Leyline Tyrant

Tarkir: Dragonstorm Commander

$2.97 • €1.13 • 0.07 TIX

Magic Online Promos

0.91 TIX

Zendikar Rising Promos

$2.90 • €1.65

Zendikar Rising Promos

$9.52 • €4.14

Zendikar Rising

$2.97 • €1.51 • 0.02 TIX

Zendikar Rising

$11.11 • €4.00

[twilit canyon]

i remember-

oh it got reprinted

but this was expensive af

[tardy echo]

4 mana 5/4 is a pretty nice body + the repeatability of the tutor is v unique to it

But I don’t think it’s actually like super good and idt there’s a deck that really wants to spam tutors like that lol

[twilit canyon]

its their illusion of power

[fallow citrus]

yeah the card is fine but it's also a removal magnet so you're spending however much to tutor and you'll probs only get it once or twice if you're lucky

[twilit canyon]

aristocrats is popular

[tardy echo]

If it was a 4/5 and/or had a nice keyword

[twilit canyon]

and they gas up their cards a lot

[trail anvil]

I feel like aristocrats is a strategy that could use repeated tutors at least

[tardy echo]

Would be litty

[twilit canyon]

[[$anointed procession]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession

Prices for Anointed Procession

Secret Lair Drop

$82.66 • €49.42

The List

$58.69 • €36.38

Amonkhet Promos

$77.93 • €38.65

Amonkhet

$58.21 • €31.13 • 0.02 TIX

[fallow citrus]

if it didn't prepare in end step lol

[trail anvil]

it's a strategy that needs multiple pieces in casual

[twilit canyon]

0 reason for this card to be expensive

its garbage

yet commander players will act like this breaks a table in half

or doubling season too

[trail anvil]

this card got crept by the phyrexian 4/4 and elspeth

[tardy echo]

The unfort part is that you have to sit a whole turn and hope they don’t remove it

[twilit canyon]

aristocrat players will play worse for more mana

[trail anvil]

yeah but you know how irresponsible commander players can be with removal

[tardy echo]

I mean in real people formats

Mostly

[twilit canyon]

yea but commander players jack up the price more

[trail anvil]

unreal formats drive price, it is what it is

[tardy echo]

Shrug

[trail anvil]

like misty said procession is still way too expensive

[tardy echo]

I was also under the assumption that mono black wasn’t a terribly popular color

[twilit canyon]

they play her in mardu

or orzhov or rakdos

[trail anvil]

sephiroth might've boosted mono b aristocrats hard

final fantasy was enormous after all

[tardy echo]

Orzhov/derivatives sure

Rakdos is crazy

[twilit canyon]

yea

again, commander players will look at u like its an insane bomb and the cards a 3/3 for 7 that draws 3

[trail anvil]

are you ready for abzan

[tardy echo]

Abzan is extremely peak mtg I hate to say

The only colors cooler than abzan are atraxa colors

(Witch maw question mark)

When’s wotc gonna print 4c lands

[sleek ferry]

2 quick 2-0’s to start, I got to lock in for this last round

[trail anvil]

plus we got specific support in TDM 😎

[sleek ferry]

Game 1 my opponent got fucked so hard

I played 2 [[stirring hopesinger]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/35/stirring-hopesinger

Stirring Hopesinger <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird Bard
Flying, lifelink
Repartee — Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Though not all her students have wings, she's determined to help them reach new heights.
1/3

[tardy echo]

I was talking w someone the other day about how many more land cycles u can make/powercreep and they were like what if 3c shocks but you pay 4 instead

[sleek ferry]

Into a feed the swarm on his main threat

Gg’s

[inland folio]

5 color land that u pay 1 to get colored mana

enters untapped first 3 turns

why dont they print 1c lands that enter tapped but have some extreme upside

island, enters tapped, surveils like 3 or something

mirror the artifact lands and make enchantment lands

[knotty ferry]

They do

[inland folio]

do any of them see play

well ig some do

idk print more of those

i like mdfcs and stuff like channel

fetches for snow lands

there u go

[subtle sierra]

dragonstorm had mistrise village and cori mountain

the black one is playable too but doesn't have a home

and avatar had agna quela, ba sing se, abandoned temple and koh

all 4 are playable, mostly agna and ba sing se atm due to meta decks using it

i will note that they all have a condition to enter untapped

[inland folio]

yeah

i was saying to thugs they could make untapped 1c lands with some upsides

to give some form of extra strength for 1c decks

[subtle sierra]

the avatar lands are basically that

they all enter untapped if you control a basic

[inland folio]

yeah

its pretty neat

[subtle sierra]

it's too bad the red one is so fucking ass

[inland folio]

they could probably explore that more

would they ever put a street wraith effect on a land

[subtle sierra]

well maybe in one of the ub sets

[inland folio]

i like that rampage land from the spiderman set

[subtle sierra]

next magic set will have allied color slow lands

[inland folio]

u discard a card and then u get to play it that turn?

oh its called mayhem

[[exclusive nightclub]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/om1/179/oscorp-industries

Exclusive Nightclub

Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters from a graveyard, you lose 2 life.
: Add , , or .
Mayhem (You may play this card from your graveyard if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)

[inland folio]

make a set of 1c lands that follow some color mechanics to place them from gy or something

[sleek ferry]

Unironically, I think a cycle of mayhem lands would go hard

[sleek ferry]

Round 3 g1 I was on the draw, drew a hand of all lands

Okay that’s fine, mull to 6

Drew a hand of all spells

Had to stack shuffle before mulling to 5

My 5 hand is very playable, kept a threat and 2 removal spells

Get him down to 1

He removed all my threats and reestablishes enough of a board to win from 1 as I draw into 4 straight lands

[stark skiff]

That’s a @knotty ferry ass story right there

[sleek ferry]

G2, I go, I stomp him in 4 turns

G3, I keep a threat heavy hand vs his removal heavy hand

[knotty ferry]

How

[knotty ferry]

You stacked???

[tardy echo]

They do

[knotty ferry]

I said this

Guy just copies me 8 hours later

[tardy echo]

This also exists technically [[urzas saga]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga

Urza's Saga

Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — This Saga gains ": Add ."
II — This Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[tardy echo]

But the main draw of artifact lands is stuff like affinity which as far as I know literally doesn’t exist for enchantments

[tardy echo]

Mystic sanctuary got banned

[inland folio]

theres also some duskmourn one i found

they could defo do more saga lands tho

[tardy echo]

They don’t for a reason

Very hard cards to balance

Urzas is one of the best lands in the entire game

When your land drop is being dedicated to a card that’ll kill itself in a limited time frame and is more vulnerable to removal you have to overcompensate or else it’ll be basically unplayable

[inland folio]

i had an idea for a 6 land cycle
mountain enters tapped, deals 2 damage to anyone
forest enters tapped, summons a 1/1 thingy with trample
island enters tapped, surveil/scry 3 (i have no idea how good a land milling 3 would be)
plains exile all gys? idfk this one is hard
wastes draw a card maybe? idk if a wastes that taps itself is enough downside to print that

probably not on the wastes

[trail anvil]

at prerelease, so far 1-1 but the win is a bye

did not open great, all my bombs were outside of my colors

[inland folio]

i mean yeah but u guys wanted new things

do u know how they have the dual face cards

[fire ice]

[[fire ice]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/215/fire-ice

Fire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Fire deals 2 damage divided as you choose among one or two targets.

Ice
Instant
Tap target permanent.
Draw a card.

[inland folio]

have they ever tried this with lands

one side island one side mountain or something

and they have differing bonus effs

[twilit canyon]

nope not with different effects but yea

the pathway cycle are mdfc lands

one side is one the other is another

[stark skiff]

What do I draft in @sleek ferry ?

Thinking Golgari with a splash of blue

[inland folio]

wonder why ive never seen these

is it bc they have no land type?

feel like u could print that if u want land powercreep

[twilit canyon]

they arent typed yeag

also they are mono colored

[inland folio]

i mean you would play a typed version in any deck fitting multiversal passage

thats isnt 3c+

its got sauce

[twilit canyon]

i dont think it'd work well

iirc, game wouldnt let it come in on other side from a fetch

[inland folio]

would printing pathways with types be too broken for standard

i feel like no

[inland folio]

this is funny tho

i didnt realize that

[tardy echo]

Lands that are just strong mana are never really broken but they enable a certain power level of deck at times that wotc doesn’t like to be around

Anyways pathways were iirc actually p good lands

But as to the other thing the main reason wotc doesn’t do lands with alt card types is because they have an extremely consistent record of ended up doing things extremely unintended or otherwise broken

And it’s very easy for lands with utility effects that might seem banal to be extremely good

[[ramunap ruins]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/311/ramunap-ruins

Ramunap Ruins

Land — Desert
: Add .
, Pay 1 life: Add .
, , Sacrifice a Desert: This land deals 2 damage to each opponent.

[tardy echo]

Lands are generally a last frontier for wotc in terms of powercreep I feel

[knotty ferry]

how big is the standard card pool

just played vs a red whit edeck where ive literally never seen any of the cards

and ive played vs red white like 15 times

[[pinnacle starcage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/27/pinnacle-starcage

Pinnacle Starcage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile all artifacts and creatures with mana value 2 or less until this artifact leaves the battlefield.
: Put each card exiled with this artifact into its owner's graveyard, then create a 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token for each card put into a graveyard this way. Sacrifice this artifact.

[knotty ferry]

WTF IS THIS

TROLL CARD

[tardy echo]

Holy u haven’t seen starcage before

You have much to learn young one

[knotty ferry]

bro said lemme cast a soccer ball 🤣

[tardy echo]

This card used to be real asf

It’s still sort of real…

[knotty ferry]

just beat some guy named "Cpthuggyface"

thugs alt...

[trail anvil]

you think so? I think especially with mdfcs they're in the scope

mh3 mdfcs have been an improvement upon most zendikar mdfcs and I think we'll keep going over time

[tardy echo]

Mdfcs are a huge push but I sort of feel like that’s on a diff spectrum

Bc again they aren’t printing lands that like… do more

But they’re making it much easier to find your mana

Idk how to explain

[trail anvil]

we also get random stuff like [[abandoned air temple]] that randomly creep the old land that did this that was colorless

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/263/abandoned-air-temple

Abandoned Air Temple

Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a basic land.
: Add .
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Aang once knew this place to be full of monks, lemurs, and bison.

[trail anvil]

maybe not more ig but I think more efficiently

mana is mana at the end of the day, but efficiency of effects on lands seems to get better

otawara and boseiju are also extreme standouts

[knotty ferry]

arena is so lucky in game chat doesn't exist

[inland folio]

i feel like spatula stealth hates white more than he hates green

[knotty ferry]

the thing is

white can either be completely free (lifegain deck with humidifier rabbit and the cat) or stage 18 cancer (enchantment spam)

green is just consistently cringe

sleepy art

is there a way to remove a hexproof counter

or is it just the same as hexproof (continuous status) unless the controller of the creature removes the counter themselves

i faced that tmnt alligator with that

leather shoes or whatever

i won but i remember in the past i tried to cast a spell on it to remove its counter cause i thought it was a 1 time thing

[tardy echo]

I know wym

I agree that lands have gotten better still

But just in a much less aggressive way than other card types

Stuff like field of the dead was unbelievably broken even if it reads much less offensive than it is

Or ramunap

[sleek ferry]

[[nowhere to run]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/111/nowhere-to-run

Nowhere to Run <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Flash
When this enchantment enters, target creature an opponent controls gets -3/-3 until end of turn.
Creatures your opponents control can be the targets of spells and abilities as though they didn't have hexproof. Ward abilities of those creatures don't trigger.

[tardy echo]

ntr…

[knotty ferry]

This is tech

Holy shit

White players would be cooked

[sleek ferry]

Unironically

There’s a tech card for everything in Magic

[trail anvil]

got the quandrix precon for msrp, very poggers

[sleek ferry]

Nice! I’m waiting for the product allocation to stabilize before buying all 5 for bulk pricing

[tardy echo]

This card sees you pay in a few decks as an anti sheltered by ghosts card

/in pixie it’s the primary method of removal

[glad peak]

Where’s the tech for emblems

[knotty ferry]

Yeah I found a sick tech for winning with your brain turned off

[[Badgermole Cub]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/167/badgermole-cub

Badgermole Cub <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Badger Mole
When this creature enters, earthbend 1. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
Whenever you tap a creature for mana, add an additional .
Every mountain starts as a molehill.
2/2

[glad peak]

Damn, someone gsz’d out a strangleroot geist and pumped it with cauldron to hit me

[knotty ferry]

That was me

My bad

[glad peak]

It would be a shame if undying doesn’t work

Watched the 10 player commander game and the rule they added was great but the game contained a lot of things to what I expected

Lots of smol bean syndrome

[trail anvil]

damn I didn't realize [[flow state]] said "and"

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/49/flow-state

Flow State <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. If there is an instant card and a sorcery card in your graveyard, instead put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[glad peak]

yep

still pretty solid

[trail anvil]

yeah

[glad peak]

oh wait [[borrowed knowledge]] is insane in this rhystic copy meta

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/178/borrowed-knowledge

Borrowed Knowledge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Discard your hand, then draw cards equal to the number of cards in target opponent's hand.
• Discard your hand, then draw cards equal to the number of cards discarded this way.
"Professor, we study history and my neighbor wrote his answer first. I was learning from the past."

[trail anvil]

best pokemon pocket impression

[sleek ferry]

This was my takeaway also

Imagine how painful it would have been without the rule

Promoting protectiveness was a great call

[atomic harness]

What's the rule?

[sleek ferry]

Bag of doom, each players name goes into the bag of doom, in order to get out of the bag of doom, you need to deal damage to an opponent during one of your turns

The catch is that your opponent can do stuff like crack their fetches during your turn to get you out the bag

Do there’s a bit of politicking that can go on for that

At the end of the bag of doom cycle, if there’s still players left in the bag, 1 is chosen at random and they lose the game

[glad peak]

There’s another stipulation where if you kill a player then the bag resets without your name in it and bag order starts with you

[atomic harness]

Interesting...

[glad peak]

No bag on first 4 turns either

[glad peak]

[[hydroponics architect]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yeoe/6/hydroponics-architect

Hydroponics Architect <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Insect
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks, a random land card in your library perpetually becomes a basic Island in addition to its other types and gains "When this land enters, draw a card."
1/2

[trail anvil]

busted card that's probably getting nerfed at some point

[twilit canyon]

no

he wont

at least not until i get a chance to go fetch library of alexandria and never run out of cards ever again

[trail anvil]

oh boy

[twilit canyon]

speaking of

im so glad they are printing library into arena

[trail anvil]

so people can learn how strong it is?

or just to abuse in timeless

[twilit canyon]

just to abuse it

[stark skiff]

how many do you have Ren?

[subtle sierra]

Here comes prerelease 2

[trail anvil]

gl oomfie

[subtle sierra]

Second prerelease 3-1

Did not draw academics last round

[golden plover]

Oh according to the book, Kasmina is an oldwalker and can detect sparks in people.... And she's desparked...

[subtle sierra]

so she cannot see herself...

[golden plover]

Lmao she's invisible now

WAIT GRIST IS DESPARKED??? WHY

[twilit canyon]

interesting planeswalkers not allowed

[glad peak]

Welp grist is just bug now

[golden plover]

Literally. All the boring characters kept their sparks

But anyone who was cool lost theirs

[tardy echo]

Wtfffffffff

The only cool planeswalker they can bring back to save the plot now is Kaya…

[glad peak]

Wait kasmina’s an oldwalker?

[golden plover]

Apparently according to the book

The book is canon, iirc

But she could be lying

||Although she also apparently resparks at the end by forcing herself to, so that's some credence to her being one||

[glad peak]

does that mean you can become a planeswalker just because you will it to be?

[twilit canyon]

call that a force of will

[sleek ferry]

Quintorius kept theirs…

Is Kaya desparked as well?

[stark skiff]

I mean that’s how that one kid got hers

[glad peak]

yeah but she's different because she manipulates fate as a baseline or something

[stark skiff]

Also do we know the big secret of Strix or is it still not out yet

[copper pecan]

there was a remarkable lack of secrets in the set

[glad peak]

the secret was the friends we made along the way

[copper pecan]

there was a secret in the novels which was ||undoing the snarls would split the plane in half and kill the elder dragons probably|| but that wasn't in the actual set

[glad peak]

i wonder if that'll come up when we get to alt universe strix

[stark skiff]

Haha yea that’s why I’m asking as nothing alluded to anything afaik. Was wondering how this would tie in to the students being in Lorwyn, but I didn’t even pay attention to that story lol

[lusty trench]

Old walkers probably work different

Old walkers were always built different even after the mending

[knotty ferry]

i might be the chosen one

[inland folio]

u guys ever bm so hard u accidentally deck urself

[subtle sierra]

yes

i never played storm before

and didn't know it counted my opps casts

and then drew 18 with wisdom

oops

[inland folio]

i had 2 level 2 artists talents on field and a gran gran

so all my monuments cost 0

i had like 24 over lethal

i just wanted to do the cool thing

and didnt realize my deck ran out

[[monument of endurance]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/237/monument-to-endurance

Monument to Endurance <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, choose one that hasn't been chosen this turn —
• Draw a card.
• Create a Treasure token.
• Each opponent loses 3 life.
Loss is not the end of the journey.

[inland folio]

pretty good card at 0 mana

power 9 tier possibly

[knotty ferry]

Sleeving up for tomorrow @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

Hope you learn a thing or two

[knotty ferry]

About what

[glad peak]

About winning

[knotty ferry]

MY DECK IS SO BIG

[glad peak]

It’s not the size of your deck but how you use it

[subtle sierra]

yeah that was my reaction at first too

then you realize there's no extra and it becomes fine

[glad peak]

Damn my double sleeved deck is splitting sleeves

But my other double sleeved deck isnt (inner sleeves are different)

No idea why this is happening

I think I’m shuffling too hard

[subtle sierra]

sigh i'm actually tempted to make a mathemagics deck

help

the allure of the silly wincon that can also be a 2 mana draw 1

[knotty ferry]

Bro I just played vs a pure exhaust deck

With the guy that looks like ziggs

[[afterburner expert]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/150/afterburner-expert

Afterburner Expert <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Goblin Artificer
Exhaust — : Put two +1/+1 counters on this creature. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
Whenever you activate an exhaust ability, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Speedbump has miraculously survived ninety-nine rocket crashes, and he's aiming for an even hundred.
4/2

[subtle sierra]

congrats, you played against a random pile of cards

[trail anvil]

congratulations you're a true quandrix student

that said you could invest your exponential mana in that or you could invest it in [[doppelgang]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/198/doppelgang

Doppelgang <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
For each of X target permanents, create X tokens that are copies of that permanent.
"Suspect spotted at the Tin Street Market, Yescu Street entrance. And the Oak Street entrance. And somehow also in Lobar Alley!" —Avult of the Foundway Associates

[subtle sierra]

I mean what do you copy tho

Desert ping lands?

[trail anvil]

anything you want, if the opp is ahead on board then you can copy their stuff that's one of the beauties of this card

[subtle sierra]

Eh i usually like less nebulous wincons

I think lute into mathemagics plus critique is enough

[trail anvil]

oh you're saying you want to use lute mana with that mm

[[mathemagics]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/58/mathemagics

Mathemagics <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target player draws 2ˣ cards. (2º = 1, 2¹ = 2, 2² = 4, 2³ = 8, 2⁴ = 16, 2⁵ = 32, and so on.)
"Theory? Meet practice." —Tam, Quandrix second-year

[subtle sierra]

You only need 7 lands

That's more than doable with a control shell

[trail anvil]

I see what you're saying

that isn't as cope as it first seemed, forgot this says target player too

[subtle sierra]

And the card doubles as a shit draw spell if need be

[trail anvil]

that said if you're already running critique then isn't that plenty? at that mana you can dome half their life

[subtle sierra]

I mean

True

But having a single wincon isn't the best

Like what it they heal

Realistically critique won't do over 30 dmg a game

[trail anvil]

is this the avatar wish board deck or the oops all spells deck

are you planning to hard draw into this as a 1-of

[subtle sierra]

Not sure if i want wish in this

I think you can just play 2-3 mathemagics

[trail anvil]

2-3 just sounds like a bunch of bricks but idk

ik it's a 2 mana draw 1 but if you're doing that you're dying

I think 1 mathemagics either main or side sounds nice if the game goes long maybe

[subtle sierra]

Maybe

I'll have to test

I just know from playing creatureless jeskai black that sometimes you unfortunately need creatures

Rev gives you good ones but that's a happy coincidence

[trail anvil]

I'm not familiar enough with 4c control but ik a bunch of lists have had some 1-ofs like the owl

[subtle sierra]

Ye they usually run like 2 creatures

I don't like it

Also i sold my wan shi tong

I think he's good but he's only really mainable due to landfall existing

And I don't have that in my locals

[trail anvil]

ic

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1495360436558631062/image.png?ex=69e5f66e&is=69e4a4ee&hm=6c1a293ffd105c16f9b043cb07e724da48815a9f8091b933e439f187dd5b037b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=533&height=432

funny SOS misprint

Star Wars Unlimited anti counterfeit stamp

[stark skiff]

Latest buys @sleek ferry @knotty ferry @atomic harness

[atomic harness]

Good job

[knotty ferry]

Holy rich

[sleek ferry]

The comments on this post were ridiculous btw. “WotC can’t even print stuff correctly due to how much UB slop they’re printing”

Meanwhile, printing is the one thing WotC has the least control over

[copper pecan]

the number of total sets they're printing is lower than it was last year or the year before so the idea that ub is somehow causing this is absurd

[sleek ferry]

@knotty ferry and anybody else looking for Meta gaming content on the new set, this is probably a solid video to watch with some top players https://youtu.be/ovYeZiGNmg0?si=GxLK9BtpFM-t_RYL

[knotty ferry]

imma listen to this at the gym

[subtle sierra]

I respect nassif but he was incredibly text blind during his initial evaluation

I respect his opinion but only after the format progressed

Last prerelease 3-1

Consistent but sadge

Got a stupid loss r1 cause i drew 5 in a turn and they were all lands

And i was fishing for removal

And it was like that basically both games

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, Edgar does the heavy lifting in these discussions

[subtle sierra]

Oh ok sure then

[sleek ferry]

In Nassif’s defense, he just had a kid

[subtle sierra]

I'll have a look later

[subtle sierra]

True

[sleek ferry]

So his mind is probably on everything but mtg

[subtle sierra]

Yeah but after "i skipped critique it read trash"

I think I'll listen to him more in a few months

[sleek ferry]

He also thought erode was trash

Edgar made the point that erode scales better as the land is mostly inconsequential the later the game goes

While the maps let your opponent fish a bit

Vs get lost that is

[subtle sierra]

Ngl i think so too, and since the game is fast rn it's gonna be trash than gold more often

[sleek ferry]

Cards like erode really depend on how good the threats its removing are

The added synergy with wan shi tong is a plus though

[subtle sierra]

yes but i don't see it that much, into aggro you give them a land and early, and into control you have other tools online

my theory is that it's obv not a 3-4 of, i think it's a 1-2 of at best

and only in control

[glad peak]

Nassif is a control specialist so it makes sense he thinks it’s not that great but decent

That and also because he probably has his mind off standard rn

[subtle sierra]

ik he was incredibly high on tablet

i was too then i realized it's RR

it's akward most of the time

it's as akward as lute into double color spells but at least lute is a giant wave of mana so you can manage the floating mana

and there's so much of it you don't mind floating

i tried hands with both tabled and lute and it's funny but waaaaay too greedy

we'll see, sos is bringing so many playable cards it's hard to predict

which is to say, i am probably talking out of my ass too

🤷‍♂️

[sleek ferry]

[[skycoach conductor]] is going to do a lot for this deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/67/skycoach-conductor-all-aboard

Skycoach Conductor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Pilot
Flash
Flying, vigilance
This creature enters prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/3

All Aboard
Instant
Exile target non-Pilot creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control.

[knotty ferry]

Finally sleeved everything, nah, this shit is massive. Wtf

No way my double sleeved ygo deck was this big

[subtle sierra]

tmnt negate 🤮

[knotty ferry]

I guess it's 75 vs 70

I got it from my TMNT draft bro

[subtle sierra]

dw you'll get a nice negate eventually

[knotty ferry]

[subtle sierra]

i have the jace one

[golden plover]

Bought a Quandrix precon that's pretty severely misaligned

But one of them is straight up miscut with the test sheet on the side

[glad peak]

oh that's pretty cool

someone i know is selling "miscuts" that look like they've just been cut in half and it's impossible to verify

[sleek ferry]

It’s so funny that the Silverquill deck is $75 while the other 4 are $50 and under btw

I don’t even think Silverquill has the best reprints

[trail anvil]

yeah I was wondering what's up with that. is that one even the most popular?

[glad peak]

It’s the one that’s the obvious most powerful one, where you get a draw engine that’s easy enough to trigger in the command zone

Potential draw 4 a turn is pretty good

[inland folio]

this cycle isnt very good right

this reads unplayable in standard but probably breaks some eternal format somewhere

[glad peak]

Not really

It doesn’t break any format but it’s a good answer to maybe a couple lands

I can only think of bazaar at the moment but maybe it significantly affects maybe 3 other cards

[inland folio]

how does it work with dark depths

and the lands that bounce

[glad peak]

You can’t activate dark depth’s counter removal ability

Lands that bounce don’t do anything with this

[inland folio]

what about if it has 0 while you have this

[sleek ferry]

Slow lands are usually solid standard additions, their playability goes up post rotation

[glad peak]

Then dark depths triggers and gives you the guy and goes to grave

[inland folio]

thats not an activated ability?

[glad peak]

Nope

[sleek ferry]

That’s a trigger

[inland folio]

i see

so is an activated ability any of them that have the tap symbol

[glad peak]

It does hit 1 part of the combo though

[inland folio]

do u just declare thespians stage instead

[glad peak]

Yep

But not when thespain’s stage and 2 mana are on board though

[inland folio]

ic

[sleek ferry]

Tap abilities, man lands, bazaar, shifting woodland all come to mind

[glad peak]

They can activate stage on any land if you call stage and still combo off lol

[inland folio]

[[thespians stage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/327/thespians-stage

Thespian's Stage

Land
: Add .
, : This land becomes a copy of target land, except it has this ability.
Amid rumors of war, the third act of The Absolution of the Guildpact was quickly rewritten as a tragedy.

[inland folio]

so they can copy your own hamlet

thats kinda goofy

[glad peak]

Nah

[inland folio]

it has to be one they control?

[glad peak]

They can copy anything, and if you didn’t call that land then they still have access to the stage ability

Copying hamlet does nothing

[inland folio]

yeah im just saying if they have 2 mana they can copy the hamlet at worst

[sleek ferry]

I mean you could copy hamlet

I get what Yuni is saying

[inland folio]

yeah

like if theyre getting mana from artifacts or something

and its their only land

[glad peak]

Oh in that case yep

[inland folio]

whats the difference between this and prowess

[sleek ferry]

The big modern application will probably shifting woodland for hamlet

[sleek ferry]

Prowess gives +1/+1

[inland folio]

[[shifting woodland]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/228/shifting-woodland

Shifting Woodland

Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a Forest.
: Add .
Delirium — : This land becomes a copy of target permanent card in your graveyard until end of turn. Activate only if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard.

[inland folio]

what happens when this changes back?

the pithing needle eff goes away?

[glad peak]

Best application for old school gamers is you play it in lands and hit wasteland

[sleek ferry]

Hamlet on ugin’s lab doesn’t really make sense since they still get the double mana

[inland folio]

or do you mean like vs this card

[sleek ferry]

Vs it

[inland folio]

ic

[glad peak]

Copying hamlet when the thing copying it’s already on the field does nothing, you don’t get a hamlet trigger

[sleek ferry]

Titan is an annoying deck that just loops with shifting woodland

[inland folio]

oooh ic

[[evolving wilds]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmc/65/evolving-wilds

Evolving Wilds

Land
, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"A hamster sumo wrestler? Snot that's also a crime lord? An alien newt assassin? April, how am I supposed to edit all of this footage into something watchable, much less believable?" —Irma Langenstein

[inland folio]

[[terramorphic expanse]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/265/terramorphic-expanse

Terramorphic Expanse

Land
, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Some say this snarl—the most turbulent, changeable location in all of Arcavios—is the birthplace of the five elder dragons. There are also whispers it's where they are destined to die.

[inland folio]

are these just the same card

[glad peak]

You just sacrifice these lands in response to the trigger, hamlet does nothing

But yes

[sleek ferry]

If hamlet had said “as this card enters, choose a land name” it would have been sooooo funny vs fetches

[inland folio]

yeah im just going through the entire set rn

didnt know they just reprinted the same card with the same text but a different name

til

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, cards like these are great for building a draftable set

And it doesn’t break anything having multiple copies of them

[inland folio]

arena keeps flashing me with "strixhaven comes out in 2 days" so may as well figure out whats in here

[sleek ferry]

Set is def interesting

Had a lot of random cards that just slot into decks

And gives some legs (maybe) to some decks that needed them

[inland folio]

this card looks fun

bad but fun

[sleek ferry]

It was great in sealed if you opened at least 3

[inland folio]

all 3 of these are interesting

mostly the second and third

[[go ninha go]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “go ninha go”, can you be more specific?

[inland folio]

[[go ninja go]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/149/go-ninja-go

Go Ninja Go <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one or both —
• Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
• Go Ninja Go deals damage equal to the greatest power among creatures you control to target creature an opponent controls.

[sleek ferry]

I think resonating lute is overrated tbh

Cauldron will see play

I hope ark sees play, as it’s super interesting

[inland folio]

yeah thats kinda where im at

i didnt even know people rated lute tho

[[daydream]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/9/daydream

Daydream <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[inland folio]

so is this the best way to blink things?

im not finding anything else this efficient

oh nvm i found one

[[splash portal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/74/splash-portal

Splash Portal <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. If that creature is a Bird, Frog, Otter, or Rat, draw a card.
"Don't ask me how it works. If I stopped long enough to question it, I'd lose my legs." —Lorb, frogfolk wizard

[glad peak]

[[ephemerate]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/7/ephemerate

Ephemerate <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)

[glad peak]

[inland folio]

this card is banned right

oh its legal everywhere

neat

daydream is kinda like ti tho

even has a way to cast it again

just worse

[sleek ferry]

Solar loves that card iirc

[inland folio]

[[flow state]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/49/flow-state

Flow State <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. If there is an instant card and a sorcery card in your graveyard, instead put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[inland folio]

i like this card

[subtle sierra]

i like it but tomorrow is the first time i get to actually play it

will proxy it with a colleague at work

i need to evaluate it in a real game

it's on a very thin line of "this is fucking broken wtf" and "guess skipping t4 loses you the game"

[inland folio]

oh they fixed epic

i cant tell if any of these paradigm cards are very strong tho

[twilit canyon]

they are pretty balanced around it being a fixed epic

not to say that they are the worst thing ever but they are pretty okay

[sleek ferry]

The white one in a slower format has potential

[twilit canyon]

red one is seeing play in the streamer event

but

its not... amazing?

[inland folio]

i cant tell if this card is broken or not

i assume no?

[sleek ferry]

Issue is, it’s a 3 mana do nothing

You need it to survive a full turn cycle

[inland folio]

i mean yeah

[twilit canyon]

its fine

ik ppl have been trying it in a dimir shell

with ral + abhorrent

[inland folio]

theres other 3 mana do nothings

[twilit canyon]

and the spirit from avatar that is a 4/5 with ward and flying that needs to waterbend

but its

[inland folio]

in like good decks

[twilit canyon]

see the issue is that

[subtle sierra]

is the card still bugged

[twilit canyon]

actual aggressive decks will punish reanimate in standard

[inland folio]

like monument doesnt always trigger on 3, you need to attack with gran gran for that

but also people dont main deck artifact removal like that

[[withering curse]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/105/withering-curse

Withering Curse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
All creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
Infusion — If you gained life this turn, destroy all creatures instead.
Although lumarets are small magical creatures, they can gather to eliminate larger threats.

[inland folio]

i like this card a lot

[inland folio]

also to me the best one feels like black

[[unholy annex]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/118/unholy-annex-ritual-chamber

Unholy Annex <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

[inland folio]

this but way easier to build around

and doesnt die to removal like that

costs more mana but also the upside over time is way more worth it

[twilit canyon]

the issue w the black one is that its just a bit too expensive

[inland folio]

and realistically they tie if you try and play any demon for upfront cost

[inland folio]

i mean u cant really make it 4 mana no?

thats feels too pushed

[twilit canyon]

yea

but at 5, its def too much to pay a turn even if you choose not to, then your draw engine is off

but ppl have been trying golgari ramp lists with cornucopia to gain life

and have the 3 mana board wipe always available

and this as top end

its not really worked to what i've seen

theres better ways to play golgari

[inland folio]

i mean control just seems weak in general

from what i can tell

many threats but few answers

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm

a little

non-blue control is probs too weak

[sleek ferry]

Idk, I saw somebody coping on sultai control post sos in the prerelease, and it looked like the worst thing ever

[inland folio]

any color combo of control jsut seems bad idk

[twilit canyon]

ah but you see, the issue there isnt control

its sultai

magic's most cheeks combo as of late

[sleek ferry]

Sigh, mardu control (tbh its evolved more into a midrange/tempo deck) will do great things come Tuesday

[twilit canyon]

sure. i'll believe in a mardu control list before a sultai one

[inland folio]

you say that thugs but i feel like every control deck would rather be a tempo or midrange deck

and making it a control deck is just making the deck worse

[sleek ferry]

Well you weight your options here in playing blue centric control vs non blue control, what are the strengths and weaknesses into the current meta, etc

For me, [[inevitable defeat]] is a card worth investing in for non blue control

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/194/inevitable-defeat

Inevitable Defeat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
This spell can't be countered.
Exile target nonland permanent. Its controller loses 3 life and you gain 3 life.
"We came seeking a challenge. It seems we must continue searching." —Zurgo, khan of the Mardu

[inland folio]

i just played vs a deck on this

the problem was the evoke elements eat decks like this for breakfast

[sleek ferry]

I mean depends what deck you’re referring to. Spellementals? Decks that play deceit?

Idt mardu control does bad into spellementals at all for example

[inland folio]

i was on the combo superior spiderman combo deck u put me on

i couldnt find bringer but 4 mana deciets were putting in work

[sleek ferry]

I could see g1 dimir having an advantage yeah, that makes perfect sense

[inland folio]

yeah the main problem i found on my opps side is that the hand snipes kinda wittle em down

rescource wise

[sleek ferry]

The lack of draw engine is a negative yep

I do think cards like flashback do a lot for this

[inland folio]

like the superior spiderman example, i spend 4 mana to snipe a card and return whatever you develop, and then he did this card

and he kinda gets 341d

[twilit canyon]

yeah lol

like i do like inevitable defeat a lo tbut it can be kinda blown out at times

[inland folio]

tbh tho i do think deceit is a pseudo control muncher

even vs like, blue based control

[sleek ferry]

Eh, on the play sure, but blue control decks will choose when/if they’re letting your deceit resolve

[inland folio]

i mean deceit also implies ur on blue

so they arent getting to counterspell it for free

[sleek ferry]

Difference is, blue control decks can afford to not do anything

You can’t

[inland folio]

they only have so many cards and mana

[sleek ferry]

That so many cards is way more than you with 4 consult and 4 stock up, and we still got to see how flow state fits into that equation also

I meant flow state

Not consult

[inland folio]

im not saying its a one sided stomp, but i think ur giving the control player too much props here

theres a reason the arcehtype is struggling

[subtle sierra]

i'm sure the reason is not deceit

[inland folio]

idt hes the only reason but i think hes one of the reasons

[subtle sierra]

resolving superior early into control is painful an unrealistic

well into blue based control

[sleek ferry]

Yeah it’s not because of deceit, but ignoring that, control arguably got a lot more toys this set than any other archetype

[subtle sierra]

which is why it's the only one viable rn

[knotty ferry]

As opposed to blue cringe control

[inland folio]

i mean idt control is viable at all

[knotty ferry]

At all???

[inland folio]

maybe that changes with sos

[sleek ferry]

That would be objectively false

[knotty ferry]

Wtf

[subtle sierra]

that is uh

[knotty ferry]

Don't people still play jeskai control

[subtle sierra]

i will just remove myself from this convo

it's not worth

[sleek ferry]

Jeskai control is/was popular pre sos

[knotty ferry]

Thank you thuggleton

[sleek ferry]

And Jeskai control is probably significantly better post sos

[knotty ferry]

This yuni kid played 1 game vs a bot on control and thinks it's unviable

[sleek ferry]

Than pre

[inland folio]

i mean as i said maybe things change

[knotty ferry]

Change? It's already viable

[glad peak]

Control isnt viable, players are just too bad

[knotty ferry]

I guarantee my boy CGB would cook you on his signature blue white control

Word me @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

CGB is the control wizard

[knotty ferry]

CGB invented counter spells

[sleek ferry]

Not to be confused with the grand wizard, that’s spatula’s boy

[knotty ferry]

Who's the grand wizard

Mickey mouse?

[glad peak]

The only grand wizard I’ve seen decided to wear all white on horseback, bad idea

[inland folio]

i think anyone on that deck is deluded idk

[knotty ferry]

Lmao

I'd tag solar but he removed himself

Sigh

[subtle sierra]

now i really will remove myself from the convo

[knotty ferry]

Ok yuni what decks are viable

List them

Rn

[glad peak]

The only viable decks right now are decks I’ve lost to

The only non viable decks right now are decks I play because I only play based off meta

[knotty ferry]

Silence commander player

Yuni is silent again

When pressed

Just makes claims and dodges questions

Actual ragebait

[inland folio]

?

[knotty ferry]

Answer my q beo

Bro

[inland folio]

bro told me to make a list

[knotty ferry]

Yes

[inland folio]

what do you want itto be 3 decks long?

[knotty ferry]

3???

3 viable decks?

[glad peak]

?

[inland folio]

why do you think im taking a second

i gotta list em

this guy bro

wants me to make a 100 page novel in 10 seconds

and calls me a fraud when i dont

[glad peak]

List them out 1 by 1 duh

[knotty ferry]

100 page novel but it doesn't include the word control in it

🤣 🤣 🤣

[past socket]

name every list ever made

[inland folio]

what do you think rn means

[glad peak]

Registered nurse

[inland folio]

idk the post sos meta noob

[sleek ferry]

You heard him commander player

[knotty ferry]

Pre sos

[sleek ferry]

We know you play Ms. Bumblefuck or whatever her name is

[glad peak]

I’m sorry, I don’t listen to non modern kiddies

[past socket]

The stunt double for the rabbit in Monty Python

[glad peak]

That’s the other guy

[sleek ferry]

Adam has the $2000 version of ms bumblefuck, he’s allowed to play her

[glad peak]

Who says I don’t

But also I wouldn’t want to play her

[inland folio]

my agents

[past socket]

One can’t help that the bunny Farseek is the best art of it of all time, fight me

[glad peak]

Your agents say control is unviable, shut up

[knotty ferry]

Holy fk this is sick

[past socket]

Indeed

[inland folio]

@knotty ferry

[sleek ferry]

Some of the treatments we’ve gotten lately are super nice

[inland folio]

not all archetypes are good at all times

its okay to admit that

[knotty ferry]

Lmfaoooo

[glad peak]

Bro really decided to stop making a list and decided to go online

[knotty ferry]

Trolling

Bro decided to stop at 14 decks

[inland folio]

do you want me talk out my ass or something

[glad peak]

You already do

[knotty ferry]

You're already doing that

Thank you mudkip-san

This guy is trolling

@atomic harness wake up son

[glad peak]

Maybe I was wrong about you, maybe you can survive in modern

A very strong maybe

[knotty ferry]

I can survive anywhere

[atomic harness]

You can trust this one mr mudkip

[knotty ferry]

This one

[inland folio]

anyone taking control to a standard mtg event is on some hard hallucinogenics, and i see theyve been shared with everyone but me

[knotty ferry]

Ok why do u think it's unviable

[sleek ferry]

Here I’ll make a list, the top 5 in Yuni’s list he posted , 5c elementals, Dimir midrange, Azorius Momo (which gets a huge buff in sos), Dimir (midrange and combo), Jeskai control, rakdos rummaging, bant rhythm

Idt I missed anything important

[inland folio]

a lot of decks have a high density of threats that you have to continuously answer early in the game, not giving you space to try and draw more, meaning you are more reliant on topdecks. due to every deck having to play a high amount of lands, + low space to play draw makes you more reliant on drawing a decent flow of reactionary cards in the early game. theres also the problem that current control lists tend to play more taplands than other decks between surveils + manlands from what i can gather? meaning its very realistic to miss some early draws, or get a little mana screwed early on. now im not saying control cant win a game no matter what, thatd be dumb. but looking at the results online a lot of (fringe) results tend to be around 20th-32nd place in a lot of these events. the boardwipes can also come down a little slow, especially if youre on the draw, since iirc most tend to be around 5-6 mana? and the other day we were talking about how a large amount of swings can happen turns 3-4, meaning idt its unrealistic to say that your entire engine just comes on a little too late. now there is the argument of say, you counter their early big push or their second big push, and then you can stabilize around there, maybe having a boardwipe to clean up as you do stabilize and take over the game, but to me that just feels like a lot of moving pieces to have to find early on, especially in combination with lands, and since as i said earlier you often arent getting space to use draw spells early on, i find it can be hard to sculpt around getting to the stabilization point.

[knotty ferry]

Sounds good, in response I'll tap 2 to cast no more lies to counter your essay. Gg planeswalker

[sleek ferry]

Holy hell, a new copy pasta dropped

[inland folio]

ill tap 1 to cast spell pierce, and then attack in with 20 with my badgermole cub, nice deck duelist

[knotty ferry]

You don't have any mana

[inland folio]

why not

[knotty ferry]

How you tapping 1

[inland folio]

have you read badgermole cub?

[knotty ferry]

I destroyed all your lands

[inland folio]

i have infinite mana

[knotty ferry]

Holy cope

[inland folio]

so you destroyed all my lands and then has extra mana for counterspell on turn 2? holy broken deck

i take it back control is tier 0

[knotty ferry]

I agree

@subtle sierra we've managed to convince him, you can come back now

[subtle sierra]

I went to bed

[inland folio]

yeah i didnt know control had a secret start of game effect that nukes all their opps lands, countered all their spells, and then gave them extra mana on top

while drawing card

[subtle sierra]

I briefly read that and i disagree with most of the points, but it's 23:30 and i have to be up at 6

If i remember I'll make a few points in the morning

[knotty ferry]

I'll remind you

[atomic harness]

I believe in you, critic

[tardy echo]

I was gonna say finally someone that gets it but then I kept reading

[knotty ferry]

Ok, I just played irl, ngl the hardest part is just keeping track of everything

I wish irl was like arena where ur cards became small when u put more of them into play

[twilit canyon]

lol

[knotty ferry]

Also [[Leatherhead]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Leatherhead”, can you be more specific?

[knotty ferry]

Is fucking broken

[[Leatherhead swamp]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/117/leatherhead-swamp-stalker

Leatherhead, Swamp Stalker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Crocodile Mutant Rogue
Trample
Leatherhead enters with a hexproof counter on her.
Whenever Leatherhead deals combat damage to a player, you may remove a counter from her. When you do, destroy target artifact or enchantment that player controls.
5/4

[knotty ferry]

I hate this card so much

[tardy echo]

4 drops have a way of either being insane or dogshit

[knotty ferry]

BAN ALL GREEN CARDS

[tardy echo]

Never in between

[tardy echo]

Unbased…

[knotty ferry]

Silence diaper boy

[tardy echo]

Also you know what I was just thinking about

I haven’t seen beza in like 9 months… @twilit canyon

I miss him

[twilit canyon]

white midrange decks nowhere to be found

[knotty ferry]

Solar vs yuni, 2026, colorized

[tardy echo]

That was actually a cool cycle too

Tho most of them whiffed in standard

[atomic harness]

@tardy echo we're trying to piece together the magic timeline

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035028897177292871/1495597932366532638/image.png?ex=69e6d39d&is=69e5821d&hm=97546e3c1794c49ea695de4898924020252e0256c29640c472d7ce0a774481e8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=584&height=809

Funny interaction: Technically you can mulligan to put a target to reanimate on bottom of deck for him to mill

[sleek ferry]

Haven’t people been doing that with Grenzo forever?

[sudden lava]

Probably, but how many Grenzo players do ya know

[golden plover]

Got to play a cedh game tonight and we realized it's funny that [[Gifts Ungiven]] is a game changer when [[Intuition]] isn't. Both say "win the game" on them

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/51/gifts-ungiven

Gifts Ungiven <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Search your library for up to four cards with different names and reveal them. Target opponent chooses two of those cards. Put the chosen cards into your graveyard and the rest into your hand. Then shuffle.

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/54/intuition

Intuition <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Search your library for three cards and reveal them. Target opponent chooses one. Put that card into your hand and the rest into your graveyard. Then shuffle.

[past socket]

And how manu share his being a goblin

[golden plover]

If anything, Intuition is the stronger card

[tardy echo]

Why are you asking me

[atomic harness]

I want your opinion on our findings

[tardy echo]

TLDR after the first new Phyrexia set Phyrexia found out how to breach the multiverse, shortly after Jin gitaxias found out how to compleat pws. Before they did a large scale invasion a lot of the praetors went on missions to other planes to basically wreak havoc. This is what led to jin compleating tamiyo and basically fucking over the wanderer, vorinclex fucked up esika and basically killed the world tree (this is what then enabled them to actually conduct the large scale invasions) and sheoldred killing jaya and compleating ajani

AFAIK urabrask didn’t do anything during this, and Elesh Norn was busy getting trolled by ashiok

[tardy echo]

Pretty bad

[tardy echo]

Also somewhere in here sheoldred figured out how to do super sleeper agents which were basically free hax and half of what made them so scary

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

[tardy echo]

Also on this topic do we ever see sheoldred/urabrask/vorinclex fighting ppl in actual card art @twilit canyon

I know we see vorinclex get his fucking shit rocked by kaya

[atomic harness]

I thought vorinclex was duking it out with Kaya and losing yeah

[tardy echo]

But do we see him like… basically killing esika

[atomic harness]

speaking of kaya where is she anyway

[twilit canyon]

do we count sheoldred's edict

[atomic harness]

Sure

[tardy echo]

Duking it out is incredibly generous. Kaya fucking annihilated him

[glad peak]

Vorinclex got merc’d almost immediately

It wasn’t even a fight

Vorinclex a chump fr like the color he represents

[atomic harness]

@knotty ferry

[atomic harness]

Crazy bc badgermole cub would no diff kaya

[stark skiff]

[knotty ferry]

[[vorinclex]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/213/vorinclex-the-grand-evolution

Vorinclex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, reach
When Vorinclex enters, search your library for up to two Forest cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
: Exile Vorinclex, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6

The Grand Evolution
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Mill ten cards. Put up to two creature cards from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
II — Distribute seven +1/+1 counters among any number of target creatures you control.
III — Until end of turn, creatures you control gain ": This creature fights target creature you don't control." Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

[knotty ferry]

Word

[tardy echo]

He mauled esika halfway to death and then kaya showed up and he immediately tried to leave the plane LOL

Unfortunately for him she is the ultimate tracker

[tardy echo]

No

Because that’s just her sentencing him to death isn’t it

[[sheoldreds edict]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/108/sheoldreds-edict

Sheoldred's Edict <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices a nontoken creature of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature token of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a planeswalker of their choice.
"Congratulations. I am entertained."

[tardy echo]

Or something

[tardy echo]

Also to answer she basically got trapped on ravnica

Or correction actually I was thinking of war

Kaya was under so much scrutiny from aurelia/ravnica as a whole that she was last seen hunting bears on kaldheim

[golden plover]

Esika didn't even die

Inga saved her

[tardy echo]

I know

But she almost did!

[golden plover]

True, but Vorinclex couldn't even kill the youngest and weakest Kaldheim god

[tardy echo]

Well the gods are all hardy even if they can’t fight back

The actual damning thing about vorinclex is that nissa almost killed him

Jobber supreme

[golden plover]

The Kaldheim gods are some of the weakest in the multiverse

And Esika is the newest god there

[tardy echo]

I thought they just sucked at fighting but were still v resilient

Again, vorinclex still a jobber but it’s not like killing esika was his job

He was just supposed to get the piece of the tree which he did and then dipped

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon hey gamer how come flare of fortitude and solitude are banned in historic

[twilit canyon]

there was a blanket ban on free spells

[golden plover]

Their design policy is all free spells in historic are banned

[twilit canyon]

they've walked back on it

but they wont give everything

[golden plover]

Funny because most of the flares suck

[twilit canyon]

ie: force of negation and endurance are legal

[golden plover]

And [[Pact of Negation]] has always been allowed iirc

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/77/pact-of-negation

Pact of Negation <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Instant
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Those who expect betrayal at every turn are seldom disappointed.

[atomic harness]

Fon and endurance but no solitude sounds crazy

[glad peak]

They banned flare of negation and allowed force of negation

[twilit canyon]

flare actually kinda real thanks to architect

[golden plover]

Flare is weaker yeah lol

[twilit canyon]

so i get the reservation

every blue deck in this format should be on hydroponics so flare becomes much more reasonable

[tardy echo]

Isn’t it just cultivation that’s like actually not good

I guess fortitude is mostly a commander card

But the edict one isn’t bad I thought

[sleek ferry]

I just bought the borderless Gwen Stacy + yearbook Aesi for $12 combined

[inland folio]

[[flare of negation]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “flare of negation”

[inland folio]

[[architect]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “architect”, can you be more specific?

[inland folio]

dudes just making up card

s

[trail anvil]

[[flare of denial]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/62/flare-of-denial

Flare of Denial <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You may sacrifice a nontoken blue creature rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
"I see where you're going with that, and I don't like it."

[trail anvil]

[[hydroponics architect]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yeoe/6/hydroponics-architect

Hydroponics Architect <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Insect
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks, a random land card in your library perpetually becomes a basic Island in addition to its other types and gains "When this land enters, draw a card."
1/2

[inland folio]

wtf this is broken

[[force of negation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/50/force-of-negation

Force of Negation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
If it's not your turn, you may exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target noncreature spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
"Try, if you must."

[tardy echo]

FoN is significantly better than flare

[inland folio]

[[force of will]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/50/force-of-will

Force of Will <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You may pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
"Your artillery will burn itself out before I allow my focus to waver."

[tardy echo]

This is the actual goat one

[inland folio]

i like the art of it with the angry man

aura

why is it a blue card when theres fire tho

[tardy echo]

Blue cards can have red stuff on them…

[inland folio]

yeah thats called izzet

this dont say exile a red card

[tardy echo]

Crazy

Wait until he finds out about Lilliana

White woman black planeswalker…

[inland folio]

they gentrified my color

crazy

[knotty ferry]

Gwen Stacy? You mean Nia, skysail storyteller?

[tardy echo]

Anyways I think all the force of wills have aura

But the strixhaven one is goated

[inland folio]

are creatures so fake that fon not hitting them is that good

[tardy echo]

Aside from that I liked the double masters art a lot

[tardy echo]

No that’s actually a pretty notable downside

[inland folio]

this has 0 aura

why is bro crying

[tardy echo]

The reason fon is goated and fod is like passably good at best is because of how much easier it is to have a card in hand than on board

[tardy echo]

He’s not crying