#Magic the Gathering

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steady onyx
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just as a card

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in a vcaum

glad peak
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Oh yeah I was saying in terms of storm

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When it comes to cedh and gifts piles it’s great

knotty ferry
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Bro

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Last night I said that I don't know all the cards and every game I usually see a few new cards

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I just played against a PURE SPIDER deck

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I hadn't seen a single card this guy played

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Before

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WTF

glad peak
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Welcome to low ranks

subtle sierra
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spat is in diamond

knotty ferry
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Thank you solar

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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No

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No Man

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Just Spider

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Legit like green red spiders

tardy echo
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Spider-Man cards aren’t on arena they’re all changed

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[[scions of the ur spider]]

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knotty ferry
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Nah not this

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Forgot the names

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[[spinner of souls]]

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knotty ferry
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Oh actually you're right

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[[scarlet spider]]

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knotty ferry
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No

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[[scarlet spider Ben Reilly]]

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knotty ferry
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Also I just got diamond 3

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HOLY

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I'm goated

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If only arena could give me some more wild cards sigh

sleek ferry
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Ben Reilly saw some experimentation very early on, 2 mana 5/4 sounded pretty good on paper

tardy echo
golden plover
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Gotta be one of the most forgettable sets of all time

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Word

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Now Through the Omenpaths? Goated set

golden plover
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Honestly the omenpath versions are way cooler most of the time

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[[The House Grows Hungry]] is way more thematic than The Death of Gwen Stacy

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knotty ferry
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True

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Wait

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Aside from superior spider man and multiversal passage

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What are the most played cards from this set

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In standard

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I wanna know if I've seen them in arena

golden plover
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That's kinda it lol

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The Jeskai flicker deck runs Nia/Gwen Stacy

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Simic aggro used to run Jackal but it was a bad card

knotty ferry
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I see

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Oh yeah

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I played vs the fake jackal

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Druneth, reviver of the hive...

sleek ferry
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The 2 mana dork, spidey sense

subtle sierra
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sense is a big one

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even ignoring the discount there really isn't a card like that in standard

knotty ferry
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Oh true

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I've seen that one

sleek ferry
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1 silverquill down, 2 more to go

subtle sierra
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oh you're at prerelease?

sleek ferry
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Nah, I got some packs early. My prerelease isn’t till Friday

subtle sierra
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ah ok

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lithuanian art detected

fallow citrus
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no

sleek ferry
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That horse is pretty

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And I sure hope I open Berta during my prerelease

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That card is broken

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What do we think of [[suspend aggression]] btw

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sleek ferry
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Feel like the card is generally mid, but I’m intrigued by it for my mardu control shell

subtle sierra
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i think without specific synergies it's mid

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it kinda screams play aven

twilit canyon
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its good but yeah it needs something else w it

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its great vs a reanimator list

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but thats it

subtle sierra
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uh why vs reanimator

sleek ferry
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Because they’re cheating out their reanimator targets

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So you just suspend aggression it and they can’t play it

subtle sierra
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well ig but if they cheat out that demon does it matter

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and exiling superior doesn't matter much besides removing the target

sleek ferry
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Not in that case no, but if they cheat out say Arvyn then that’s pretty good

subtle sierra
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ig

sleek ferry
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Modern probably has better reanimator targets it removes

subtle sierra
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i don't really see it being that specific of a counter but maybe i just don't see it

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and again i think the card is mid

sleek ferry
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But yeah, I’m very intrigued by this in this Silverquill deck, as copying it, removing 2 things and impulse drawing 2 sounds very cool

subtle sierra
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silverquill? 334

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idt they have copying

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it's all in red

sleek ferry
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Yeah, I can show you a rough draft of what I’m thinking

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Roughly something like this

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Ratios would ofc have to be adjusted

subtle sierra
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oh you meant silverquil the card

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that makes more sense

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ngl

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lorehold charm doesn't work here

sleek ferry
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[[elite interceptor]] is also something I’m considering

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subtle sierra
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reaaaly don't think she's good in constructed

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inspector left you an artifact and the sac was instant speed

tardy echo
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Among some other stuff

knotty ferry
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Or does that fuck up your mana

sleek ferry
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Yeah, but you’re not removing elite interceptor

sleek ferry
twilit canyon
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elite is a classic weenie card and its not amazing

subtle sierra
sleek ferry
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Sephiroth also wants to be more focused, so probably wants to be in 2 colors or in mono black

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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Mardu control holy…

subtle sierra
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like you have 2 play patterns here of like t1 interceptor t2 inkwright t3 rejoinder or t3 interceptor rejoinder and like

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is that what you want your t3 to look like

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that's incredibly meh

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draw 1 create token

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also the only synergy she has with is inkwright

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it being a body for silverquil is meh cause that's for any creature

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inkwright sounds ok in the deck until you get that control likes to play proactive so there can and will usually be times when you cannot drop him on t2

sleek ferry
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Which is perfectly fine

subtle sierra
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i disagree

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if you're on the play having a removal for their t3 play is vital

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as it can swing the game into a win

knotty ferry
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Oh nvm inkwright summons tokens

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I see

subtle sierra
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say into green you're either behind on mana already and can't inkwright anyway cause you had to remove their cub, granted this is less likely for this deck specifically cause you have 6 1 drop removals

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but you can and will need removal for shit like ouroboroid

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or lessons doing a cheeky endurance

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ig the last one is more relevant for holding counters

knotty ferry
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Cub will be banned soon it's fine

subtle sierra
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if you're doing a pattern for your control shell of "i set up turn 2/3 and then drop a boardclear"

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it would be fine

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but the boardclear will kill your inkwright

tardy echo
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It better not be unglorp I’m gonna smoke you kids with my ramp stratagem

subtle sierra
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which is why it's more used with green with shit like shared roots into day of black sun, or just a t4 deadly

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cause the setup will not be removed

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i really think this concept is not well thought out

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you kinda just saw that inkwright procs off removal and silverquil is funny, ngl

fallow citrus
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Secrets of Strixhaven Update Bulletin #mtg #mtgStrixhaven

Rules for new mechanics in SOS. Several rules clarifications.

🚨 important saga rule change
*no lore counters when it enters under Blood Moon
*enters with double counters with Doubling Season

Book artifact type errata

knotty ferry
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Solar just schooled you @sleek ferry

fallow citrus
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oh nice, they fixed sagas

knotty ferry
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You need to attend strixhaven

sleek ferry
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The full concept is indeed not fully thought out, but there is something there. Whether I want to play Ajani or Ral as additional options or play more creatures really depends on how testing goes

subtle sierra
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i aggree that that inkwright plus lorehold is a cute concept but i really disagree that it should exist with a control shell

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the removal should be a secondary thing and not the focus

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and it should have more repartee payoffs

sleek ferry
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I mean, it’s literally just grabbing the concept of an already existing deck in mardu control

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Main difference is that deck just wins off burning you 90% of the time

tardy echo
subtle sierra
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you'll have to give me a list cause the deck you presented is an antithesis of the lists i've seen

tardy echo
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Anyways urzas saga nerf is pogger

subtle sierra
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they mostly focused on setup that doesn't have their wincons be <=2 costed cause you need those early turns in control

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which ends up being annex and elspeth or smth

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control is reactive and tapping out for setup (unless you have literally nothing else to do) loses you even more tempo, leading you to not stabilize

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if inkwright was 1 mana i would be a lot more interested in this

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which is why i'm coping on tidecaller so much

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but also 1 mana inkwright would be beyond broken lol

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but for argument's sake, if it was 1 mana you have a lot more play patterns with it

twilit canyon
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lets fucking gooo they killed saga (its still broken and op)

subtle sierra
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you can drop it at 1, you can drop it at 2 and hold mana for a 1 cost removal, you can simply drop it later

knotty ferry
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Wait what does the saga change do? I read over it, doesn't it only matter when blood moon or the other card are in play?

subtle sierra
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2 mana is quite a lot during the first 4 turns which are also the most important for control

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well into non mirrors

sleek ferry
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I agree 100%, but again, you don’t have to play inkwright on curve, I would even argue it’s correct to not play it on curve vs certain matchups

subtle sierra
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that's fair but it's a red flag if you have a card that is not correct to play in some cases

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it really signals bad deckbuilding to me

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again, the card is fine, imo it costing 2 fucks it up for a control shell

tardy echo
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Ppl were extremely frustrated that the most popular land hate in the game didn’t work against the most broken land in modern

glad peak
tardy echo
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Doubling season vs sagas is also a similar change

glad peak
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They changed the saga ruling again?

tardy echo
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But actually

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Does doubling season make you skip the chapters

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Or no

subtle sierra
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could we just remove sagas

twilit canyon
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no

subtle sierra
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sigh

twilit canyon
sleek ferry
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I mean sure, that’s one way to look at it, but if you’re vsing aggro and have the option to play inkwright or leave up 2 mana, you’re taking the 2 mana anytime. In that same account, you’re vsing control/mono black, you want to cast inkwright on curve so that you can force those removal/counter spells

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You can say the same for Silverquill, Silverquill doesn’t actually do anything for you the turn it comes down besides force removal/counter spells

tardy echo
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Most decks have cards that they don’t want to play in 100% of gamestates

subtle sierra
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it's also why control tends to run high cost cards as their wincons, because they get to play less of them, they're bigger bombs and you can play less of them so that you don't draw them during the crucial early turns

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they fix the t2/3 issue with deckbuilding

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it doesn't solve it fully but it's a lot better than having a t2 setup piece

tardy echo
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We’ve seen slower decks in the recent past who’s wincons are low/mid cost and aren’t fully encouraged to be played on curve idk

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Pixie jumps to mind

sleek ferry
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Idt we can really say that until we have a full deck built though, like I said, this is a rough concept, even when you vs Mardu Control now, that Elspeth coming down on curve doesn’t mean much when you were already down to 10-12 health off just the natural play pattern of the deck

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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So it depends on the context of the deck, what your wincon is and how your deck actually plays into matchups plink

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It’s not that it’s an inherently flawed idea or whatever

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I have no horse in the race of whether thugs list is bad or not he literally cooked it today and the set hasn’t even been out yet lol but I think the thought process here is a little black and white

sleek ferry
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Mardu control unlike say a blue control deck, also just forces you to actually just play on curve, otherwise the deck itself will naturally burn you to death

subtle sierra
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ngl the deck has less burn than jeskai black but that's a tangent ig

tardy echo
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Wait is the set actually out on arena

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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Or is it just the prerelease draft

subtle sierra
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early access

tardy echo
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Ok

subtle sierra
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but they still have to have the cards be in the game for the streamers to use

tardy echo
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Seeing

sleek ferry
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Let’s say a very common situation as a blue control deck; you hold up 2 mana for removal/counter magic that you have/bluff to have, opponent draws, plays a land for turn, and passes, now you’re either being forced to play a suboptimal consult, let turn pass back to you without you doing anything, and consider that your opponent, may or may not be able to play at instant speed and whether or not that’s worth interacting with on your own turn

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Mardu control does not have these issues, as you’re always pressuring life total regardless, whether they have a threat on the field or not

subtle sierra
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i don't see the life pressure if i don't play anything

sleek ferry
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Helix/bolt to face, you going to counter that?

subtle sierra
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no you wouldn't care

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if anything you'd probably be happy about it

sleek ferry
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Ofc not, but that’s the play pattern mardu control shell presents that deviates from blue control decks

twilit canyon
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non-blue control lists do have to leverage pressure in some capacity

subtle sierra
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sure but idt a bolt to the face is exactly pressure for what i consider a control mirror, because i assume that into aggro/midrange you'd hold the removal

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unless you like have 3/4 of them in hand

sleek ferry
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We also usually have a solid planeswalker that can help pressure, it remains to be seen if Ral or Ajani can fill that slot though

subtle sierra
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ral and ajani i'm more fine with because they're not conditional to make advantage, and ajani even doubles up as removal

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which i will point to my point of cards with overlapping roles

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oh wait you mean the black ral uh

sleek ferry
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Yes, correct

subtle sierra
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ral is uh

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ngl i don't like him

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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Also as a random aside I saw someone point out that silverquill makes temporal extortion uncounterable @trail anvil icant

sleek ferry
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[[temporal extortion]]

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tardy echo
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Ral is prob better in midrange decks in the same vein as lotv

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The casualty copy isn’t cast so it can’t be countered

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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So it’s 4 mana your opponent loses half their life take an extra turn

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lol

subtle sierra
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i think ral is not that great in control

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the surveil fixes your draws but i think for 3 mana in control you'd rather do smth else like ajani

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because it's both consistent advantage and blockers while also doubling as removal

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Personally I actually think ajani is a pretty dogwater card actually icant I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I’ve seen that card be truly genuinely helpful and impactful to the gamestate

sleek ferry
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But ark might just be a bad card

tardy echo
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Ark question mark

sleek ferry
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[[ark of hunger]]

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tardy echo
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Ahhh jaja

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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I have no faith in this card either

sleek ferry
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Yeah me neither

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But I don’t judge cards before actually playing them

tardy echo
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Ajani is not fighting with stock up for the slot they do p different things even on curve

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Ajani is fighting with being a playable card for the slot more than anything

subtle sierra
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eh

trail anvil
tardy echo
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It isn’t being cast

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They can counter on the stack but at that point it’s still v strong value

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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4 mana force your opponent to pay half and counterspell

subtle sierra
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[[make disappear]]

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sleek ferry
trail anvil
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well it's not being cast but I thought you could still counter copies

sleek ferry
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Damn, make disappear was such a good card

subtle sierra
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well yeah it's still a spell on the stack

tardy echo
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The card can be countered but temporal extortion needs to be cast for the built in counter condition

trail anvil
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ic

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that's weirdge

tardy echo
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It’s just how the words work

subtle sierra
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oh yeah it does say that

tardy echo
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When you cast this card vs

sleek ferry
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Wait, so since it’s not being cast, is it just an extra turn spell?

tardy echo
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Idk what else it would say

tardy echo
trail anvil
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oh

tardy echo
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They still have to counter the first one or you get 2 extra

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sort of fucked up card

trail anvil
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this is one of my favorite arts in magic too

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man I love how they did the elder dragons this time around

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it's genuinely so much better than the last pass

subtle sierra
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eh i liked galazeth prismari

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it was cute but you only played like 1 cause lol goldspan

tardy echo
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Iirc he did one of the lotus arts? And an elder dragon

trail anvil
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old ones certainly were unique but I like how much fewer hoops you have to jump through this time around

trail anvil
tardy echo
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Old ones were unique but ultimately sort of bland at the same time lol

subtle sierra
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wait scryfall sucks

tardy echo
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The silverquill was like a weird group hug card

subtle sierra
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oh they do an and not an or

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scryfall rules

tardy echo
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The lorehold was sort of cool but just a mana cheat

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And like a voltron mana cheat (bad)

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I don’t even remember what the quandrix one did just that it was not a good card

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Witherbloom and prismari were neat

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Pay 10 untap CoolSmile

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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you can tap on his name to see it easy anyways

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but yeah I don't like his other arts as much, but he definitely did a ton of big cards

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like kiki jiki and mox amber

tardy echo
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Still has nothing on my goat dominik mayer

trail anvil
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yee

subtle sierra
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my goat is any lithuanian artist

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this is goated

trail anvil
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Jeremy Wilson has been one of my favorite recent artists

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very distinct style

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his art for victor still makes me wanna build this commander alone

golden plover
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Wilson is really good yeah

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Mayer is still my GOAT for mtg

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Wylie Beckett is also awesome

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Elliot Lang popped up in this set and his style is GOOD

knotty ferry
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My final cards came in

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MY DECK IS COMPLETE

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HOLY SHIT

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I'm gathering magic so hard rn

trail anvil
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damn fr

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the inverse of Jeremy Wilson, utilizing solid black really damn well

past socket
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TIL a bunch of cards and tokens got a new subtype

trail anvil
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she has such a unique touch that really emphasizes lorwyn

past socket
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[[Moira Brown]]

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past socket
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the Book subtype

trail anvil
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ye

past socket
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Honestly pretty cool addition imo

copper pecan
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weird that they did this when there aren't any cards that care about books

twilit canyon
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books got cut iirc

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there was gonna be a textbook per class

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but they never managed to finalize it

glad peak
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If books get cut then are they books or just pages

twilit canyon
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vertical or horizontal cut?

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Very few artists emphasize negative space in their work in the same way

tardy echo
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Also is it just me or does [[planar engineering]] seem like a card that was designed for eoe and like… accidentally ended up in this set

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tardy echo
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Like look at the name, art, and even the effect is much more in theme for what green was doing in that set

sleek ferry
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Just you

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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Oops wrong reply

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Humble beginnings...

fallow citrus
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this is gorgeous

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sleek ferry
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I’m going to buy so many collector boosters of this set

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You’ll think my name is Adam East

stark skiff
knotty ferry
tardy echo
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Do the JP arts have diff flavor texts btw or is it the same

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Also spat if you like the mystical archive stuff look into amonkhet invocations @knotty ferry

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It’s in the same vein of hyper stylized treatments for iconic spells

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(Don’t look at their price tags though)

knotty ferry
twilit canyon
tardy echo
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I think the fow is the chase from invocations (what else is new)

twilit canyon
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as is tradition

tardy echo
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Is there a single set with a fow treatment where it doesn’t end up in top 5 chases in the set

twilit canyon
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idts

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there maybe like

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maybe ema?

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nvm

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was thinking ema maybe had it escape cus ik it had chrome mox crypt and a few other high chase cmdr cards

tardy echo
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I figured

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Bc even other generational goats like omni or whatever have their flukes

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2019 omni is dirt all the other ones are a little pricey iirc

atomic harness
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Emma is crazy

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(I know what it is)

sleek ferry
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Eternal masters little ren

stark skiff
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What precons are you getting from this set Renny

glad peak
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Welp what’s the worst precon someone can reasonably buy nowadays

knotty ferry
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Bro how was I stuck in gold for so long

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I just faced a lifegain white player in d3

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With the humidifier rabbit

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HOW DOES THIS WIN GAMES

sleek ferry
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Humidifier rabbit????

knotty ferry
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Gains 1 life

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When creature enters

glad peak
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What’s the humidifier rabbit icant

knotty ferry
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[[humid sanctifier]]

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No card found for “humid sanctifier”

knotty ferry
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@sleek ferry this

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And the fucking

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Enchantment that makes ur opp creatures tap on entry and u gain 1 life

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Actual meme strat

subtle sierra
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Authority is a legit card

sleek ferry
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Authority is a legit side card yeah

subtle sierra
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But lifegain mains it

knotty ferry
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[[authority]]

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sleek ferry
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[[authority of counsel]]

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No card found for “authority of counsel”

knotty ferry
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Authority of the consuls

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Yeah

sleek ferry
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[[authority of the consuls]]

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knotty ferry
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Them entering tapped is decent and it's cheap but like

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Idk bro it's crazy this shit is so popular

stark skiff
sleek ferry
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Last I checked the Karlov ones are $$$$$

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I bought the energy aetherdrift one for $20 though

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Pretty good price for it

past socket
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They’re pretty nice

glad peak
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I completely forgot what the Karlov ones were

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I think the energy one is the most stereotypical weakest one

past socket
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Blame Game is very popular (deck around goad/suspect with very nice glad deck cards)

stark skiff
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The energy from Fallout is pretty ass compared to the other 3

subtle sierra
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Crazy thumbnail

glad peak
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Oh yeah blame game was fun

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Heard that was a stupid casual deck with very small upgrades

sleek ferry
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Yeah, I think that’s why the Karlov manor decks are money, they’re very well built casual precons

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Also very straight forward

stark skiff
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The Deadly Disguise one was shit

glad peak
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Welp yet another day of me getting shit for playing slicer and then lending it to some people who then proceed to complain about how weak the deck is icant

atomic harness
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Blame game was good

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Why are you on slicer little one icant

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You should be on Ral dubiouscreature

glad peak
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Because slicer is the only way I can shove all my bad red cards into and randomly win icant

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It’s bracket 1, literally just pump spells or draw spells icant

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But yeah my group goes on and on about diversity and yet when we play what do we see? Only 1 archetype and every other archetype is ostracized icant

past socket
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Loved Deep Clue Sea so much myself, currently a 3rd Doc/Sarah Jane Smith deck though but love the clue deck playstyle

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My only guess for why the Disguise precon is like what reprints?

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Given Seedborn Muse and Jeska’s Will

knotty ferry
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Ok I think I'm a real magic player now

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Every green card should be banned

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How the fuck are landfall and earthbending real mechanics

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Same guy who invented yummy cards designed this shit

urban crane
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Got these 2 yesterday

past socket
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Hell yeah, pulled a Turts Shadowspear myself

subtle sierra
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i'm a big hater of that sewers art

subtle sierra
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chat what do we think of just

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burn

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i've seen lists with the lute and while it's funny idt it's that good

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also prerelease tomorrow, i'm fucking giddy

atomic harness
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Interesting...

subtle sierra
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actually thinking now i prob can drop the black part as the 12 off defeat was important before, but not as much now

urban crane
subtle sierra
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ah that's fair

urban crane
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Card was like 13 or so I bought instead of mid 20s

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Same with shadow instead of like 30s got it for like 20

honest berry
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I’m on a kick for novel commander decks and I may have found my red commander.

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So the plan is to drop a boat on people a whole bunch of times

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Mix with some damage doublers and triplers and you can one or two shot players for the low low price of all your friends

subtle sierra
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ok no lute is absolutely gross

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it's so greedy but so fucking gross

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t5 rev into lute draw oml give it to me

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tablet of discovery is also insane wth

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yeah so

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yeah

trail anvil
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with a better library of alexandria stapled onto it too

subtle sierra
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ye my initial thought is that you can't really miss that t4

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so it's still pretty conditional

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but if you drop every removal early you can drop this at 4

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but that's still greedy

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but you can look at it like a 6 cost spell, drop it then, and have 4 mana

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it has a small issue with two color shit tho, you still have to tap two lands for it

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i think there's something to dropping white from this but i'm aprehensive about dropping doj

trail anvil
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I just know vivi players are gonna abuse the hell out of this in brawl

subtle sierra
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true

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they also have that U instant that makes a fractal

trail anvil
subtle sierra
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while true the theory would be like

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you have biblioplex

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and lute

trail anvil
subtle sierra
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back to rev

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if you hard cast it, you will likely have biblioplex by 7

trail anvil
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casually dropping a 6/6 in a spellslinger deck sounds scary

subtle sierra
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if you cast if off lute it cheats the mana

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it doesn't say double mana, it says 2 mana of any one color

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and capstone doesn't care about the white cost either

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and is also a very cheatable spell

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i think there's something to it, big spell izzet

trail anvil
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is this the fixed epic cycle

subtle sierra
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ye

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[[improvisation capstone]]

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Sorcery — Lesson
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile cards with total mana value 4 or greater. You may cast any number of spells from among them without paying their mana costs.
Paradigm (Then exile this spell. After you first resolve a spell with this name, you may cast a copy of it from exile without paying its mana cost at the beginning of each of your first main phases.)

trail anvil
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man siding in artifact removal vs control sounds like an oofers

subtle sierra
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yeah

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ngl after you drop a lute it's no longer control

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it's like the opposite you just keep chucking 2 big spells a turn

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like my lord i cannot wait to do this

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i made this in like 3 mins so it's greedy af and needs tuning but

trail anvil
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even if you don't have the big spell in hand you have so much filtering and maybe even enough mana to get to the big spell

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10 dang mana to work with after

subtle sierra
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i think i could drop the white from here but i kinda think you need no more lies

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i think the issue is living to t4 and living after the t4

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because if you wanna do it early you're skipping t4

trail anvil
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no 1 mana removal?

subtle sierra
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that's mega bad

trail anvil
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I feel like you need to kill elves for a living

subtle sierra
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ye i think so too

trail anvil
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fair enough

subtle sierra
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i like the strangle from the set cause it fixes flow state

trail anvil
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also figured I'd see [[prismari charm]] here

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subtle sierra
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probably need to play it too but you have like 20 playable cards most of which you wanna play playsets of

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i'm living the life rn

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like this could play erode if i keep white

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this could splash other colors due to biblioplex

trail anvil
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I think the first cut down would be traumatic critique though, I imagine it'll be a finisher a chunk of the time

subtle sierra
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nah critique is too good

trail anvil
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erode in standard feels a bit questionable to me when creatures seem to be the focus and landfall is a top deck

subtle sierra
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critique both sets up flow state and is nuts with lute

subtle sierra
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btw critique is like the only way to use left over mana from multi colored spells

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if you have 3 lands untapped and lute, and you cast like vibrant, you need to tap 2 lands and you float 2 mana

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which is why i think it's critical to play here

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it sucks to hit off capstone though

trail anvil
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I feel like if you've untapped with lute you don't have to worry about anything else in the game tbh

subtle sierra
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eh you still wanna spend the mana efficiently imo

trail anvil
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4 revelation and 2 capstone is already pretty damn big as a finisher

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if critique could draw more than 2 cards I feel like I'd be more on board with this

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lowkey I'd want 1 x draw spell for that niche

subtle sierra
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ig but i also think critique is legit the best card in the set

trail anvil
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damn now that's a bold claim there

subtle sierra
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like overall, i think flow state is more powerful but bestness (if that's a word) wise i think it's critique

trail anvil
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your life has become the critique, you are galazeth yelling at a poor college student

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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but people know the best cards are the elder dragon cycle

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wizards remembered how to design dragons 😌

subtle sierra
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my friend is going crazy about quandrix

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in a temur control shell

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i argued that capstone is similar to it the main difference being a body

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which is both an upside and downside

trail anvil
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I feel like people are kinda sleeping on capstones but I do just overhype cards too

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you staple an emblem on yourself and drown them with value if you can pull that off

subtle sierra
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i think they're great but they have a big caveat that we're in quite a fast format

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but if i drop it at 5 who cares amirite

trail anvil
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yeah

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decorum really is just worse ad naus though it's funny 😂

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idk why this needed to even lose you life tbh

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because it's black ig

tardy echo
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Ad naus is a crazy comparison it’s a worse unholy annex icant

trail anvil
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oh yeah that is in standard huh

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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but it draws 2 per turn 👀

tardy echo
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For 5 mana

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With no clock

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Annex applies a 3 turn clock with the demon

trail anvil
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and it draws at the start of the turn

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and on cast

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but yeah 5 mana draw 2 is rough in such a fast format damn

tardy echo
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I can’t think of any type of 5 mana arena ever being good lol

trail anvil
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teferi hero of dominaria /s

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I can actually see a universe where this is good in a control shell as your "planeswalker" that can't be removed, that 2 life is just so rough

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lorewise it's silverquill but that seems like it needs to go with life gain

tardy echo
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All the strong 5 mana planeswalkers that have seen play as control finishers just do so much more than this though

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And I don’t think uninteractability is enough of an upside to justify

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Like lowkey this card feels worse than oldspeth, let alone storm slayer

trail anvil
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storm slayer is genuinely a goated walker, there's so much fucking value in her

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I think it's not just uninteractibility but draw 2 each turn is a suffocating amount of advantage

subtle sierra
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icant brother your own site lists izzet decks having like 40% of all tops the last 30 days wdym comeback lol

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like i get that izzet is getting a boost in sos and i'm saying that too but it's not a comeback lmao

tardy echo
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If I drop an annex on 3 it’ll have drawn me the same amount of cards until turn 7

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5 mana just needs to be doing a lot more than drawing cards

trail anvil
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idk like especially in a control mirror that much advantage just closes the door I feel like

trail anvil
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drop on turn 3, draw 2 cards by turn 5. on turn 5 you cast this and draw 2 immediately

subtle sierra
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annex draws on turns 3 4 5 6 7
5 mana draw every turn draws 5 6 7 so unless you also counted the normal draws

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but why would you

trail anvil
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room draws a 3rd card eot but then on the next turn it already surpasses it at the start of your main phase

tardy echo
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It draws you 4th card on 6

trail anvil
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sure but it's still eot so you can miss land drops, etc

tardy echo
trail anvil
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for 5 mana?

tardy echo
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That A.) actually end the game and B.) are playable into decks that aren’t slower than a geriatric slug

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Storm slayer as aforementioned

trail anvil
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storm slayer feels like a different niche to me, especially when it is removable

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I think when you're already running a decent creature count storm slayer is better

tardy echo
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Basically creature-less control decks used to run her as a finisher with token lands

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And annex

tardy echo
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Ridiculous tempo loss and if your opponent, even in a control mirror, is on any type of bomb finisher that actually wins the game at a similar speed then you’re basically just passing the turn and letting them do whatever they want

tardy echo
trail anvil
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idk I don't think any control bomb is really that bad to suddenly make it unplayable

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fuckin nezahal back in the day maybe? that was 7 mana though

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you're in hand hate and strong removal colors

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like they drop elspeth and you're staring down 2 1/1s and a pw you need to remove

tardy echo
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Mono black also is really not control colors at the same time though

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At least it hasn’t been for a while

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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why would you play it mono though

tardy echo
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If you’re in hybrid then you just have way too many other options

trail anvil
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my claim is that it'd be fine as an option

tardy echo
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And also still don’t see why I would play this over annex when annex kills my opponent and this kills me

trail anvil
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annex is never killing op in a control mirror idk

tardy echo
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It’s considerably easier to now that firdoch core exists

trail anvil
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y'know what fair enough that's just me being brain dead

knotty ferry
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Firdoch core...thugs's favorite

tardy echo
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I also still don’t think you should build control decks for specifically control mirrors lol

trail anvil
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I think side boards exist

tardy echo
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I would rather just play a finisher with good spread and have a side board of cards that… also have good spread

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Changing out finishers for matchups feels obtuse when one finisher can normally win in most if not all MUs

subtle sierra
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i think this turn 6 is kinda broken

tardy echo
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Again, annex is a wincon that has historically proven itself to be very difficult to interact with because the only colors with enchantment removal can’t deal with the token

knotty ferry
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[[unholy annex]]

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Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber mana3manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

trail anvil
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at this point with firdoch it probably just shuts out other options anyways

tardy echo
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And when you’re in hybrid black/x I don’t even think annex is your best wincon

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If you’re in grixis/sultai/dimir as a control deck you should probably just be doing excruciator

sleek ferry
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I never considered annex a real win con in control tbh, especially post side, it is however just the best card advantage engine

tardy echo
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Card advantage engine that simultaneously puts a clock on your opponent is a v unique niche and hard for most decks to do anything meaningful to

knotty ferry
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Is annex actually good? I could see it being okay if the opponent doesn't have good spot removal but this just seems slow

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I know in control it matters less

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But still

sleek ferry
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Annex is very good

knotty ferry
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Is there really nothing better

tardy echo
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It’s a very good card with no home

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When mono black was better it was a much more popular card

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You can also get the burn with other cards like [[soulstone sanctuary]]

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Fuck me I guess

sleek ferry
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And [[firdoch core]]

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tardy echo
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WOW

knotty ferry
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Oh this is a changeling I forgot

sleek ferry
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Aura difference

knotty ferry
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That is good for that

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knotty ferry
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Yeah soulstone is cool, haven't had a chance to play with it

sleek ferry
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You should be on soul stones in Dimir, all the great Dimir players say the same thing; you should always be +1 ing Kaito

knotty ferry
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So I haven't been able to craft it

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But I have it irl

sleek ferry
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Ah okay

knotty ferry
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Sometimes being 5 HP instead of 4 is important to keep it around

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Sorry not hp

tardy echo
knotty ferry
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Loyalty points 🤓

sleek ferry
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Which Kaito art did you get btw, I’m very fond of the art with just his face

tardy echo
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I know it’s supposed to be slasher bloodletter or whatever

tardy echo
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But I have seen many more games won by annex than slasher

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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I like this one more

knotty ferry
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I like those but didn't wanna spend extra

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4 copies was already pricey

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I got this restless reef art though, it looks cool

sleek ferry
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Kaito always gets sick arts high key

tardy echo
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I thought this one was just a little ugly honestly

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I know it’s a reference but bleh

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Ok this one’s cheating icant

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Imagine if kaito actually got compleated

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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Also what’s with the fuckass raccoon

sleek ferry
tardy echo
#

Why is he always there

sleek ferry
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Same with Ajani

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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Wdym that Raccoon is his pikachu

tardy echo
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Tibalt did, and then tyvar no-diff’d him so hard that he didn’t even get a card

sleek ferry
tardy echo
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No lol

atomic harness
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Sigh, tamiyo is dead

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Word me cake

sleek ferry
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Good, fuck that bitch

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Kamina next pls

tardy echo
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Tyvar was sort of broken during one

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Iirc he found out that there was some metal that was immune to glistening oil and then he could just do whatever with it

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Tyvars powers are lowk extremely broken

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Not quite Kaya tier but I’m p sure there’s a few times in the plot when he just turns stuff into rocks/metal/whatever in an instant and they die immediately

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But then they decided nahiri couldn’t stop phyresis…

sleek ferry
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Nahiri… the most do nothing planeswalker oat

tardy echo
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Her contribution to the plot has always been to get no-diff’d

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Word me @twilit canyon

sleek ferry
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How’d she get a whole set of being a focal point, and just do absolutely nothing

twilit canyon
#

nahiri is fodder for a ref bit

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any time a villain shows up...

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she shows up to get no diffed vs the

tardy echo
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I can’t wait till sorin pisses her off again and then she frees emrakul from the moon

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And then I hope emrakul fucking kills her

golden plover
sleek ferry
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Yeah, so like I said, his pikachu

#

What’s ash without his pikachu

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Gary

tardy echo
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That things a kami???

#

What does it even do

golden plover
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It's unclear, but it's able to control some tech

sleek ferry
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The vamp tutor Jp art is a little too metal for me

knotty ferry
#

Oh my fucking god

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I just lost to unholy annex

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And firdoch core

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Bro

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Firdoch core is a demon even when it's just sitting there as an artifact???

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I thought it just became that when it pops out as a creature

tardy echo
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No that’s why it’s good

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Otherwise it would just be worse than soulstone

knotty ferry
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Bro wtf how can it be every creature type if it's not a creature

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And they say yugioh is a lawyer game

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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Never seen this

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At least that I know of

sleek ferry
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[[kozilek’s command]]

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knotty ferry
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So this counts as getting bonuses for whatever does that for eldrazi?

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So like, hypothetically, if there was something that said "eldrazi spells cost 1 less to cast"

subtle sierra
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It's usually the other way around

knotty ferry
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This would apply to kozileks command

subtle sierra
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Yes

knotty ferry
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Ok

subtle sierra
#

But most synergies are like, if you cast an otter spell and shit

knotty ferry
#

And these are indicated by the word "kindred", I guess

subtle sierra
#

Yes

knotty ferry
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I didn't even notice that

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Learn something new every day

subtle sierra
#

I will blow your mind but

subtle sierra
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[[nameless inversion]]

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knotty ferry
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Idgi

subtle sierra
#

All types

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On instant

knotty ferry
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Sure

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Just like firdoch core

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Well firdoch core isn't an instant but

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[[firdoch core]]

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subtle sierra
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Yeah I'm just pointing out changeling can be on anything

knotty ferry
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Yeah

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Sick

subtle sierra
#

Even you could be a changeling...

knotty ferry
#

Also super shredder is broken, buy me some showcase fracture foils @sleek ferry

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I did +1 on kaito and super shredder got buffed too cause he's a ninja

tardy echo
sleek ferry
#

I keep telling people that tmnt set is aging pretty decently

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It does feel a bit like foundations, that every couple of weeks I find out about a new card I didn’t know existed

knotty ferry
#

Holy, the god deck

zinc shard
glad peak
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That sounds like hell

tardy echo
#

It’s just… so fucking peak…

glad peak
#

There’s already tons of whining in 4 player games, imagine over double the amount of smol bean syndromes icant

knotty ferry
#

Bro

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I just lost to some fucking

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Enchantment deck

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There was this card that became flying if it's modified

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And I couldn't beat it

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IT HAS WARD 2

sleek ferry
#

Which one, mono white aggro or Orzhov aggro

subtle sierra
#

it was mono white

sleek ferry
#

Yeah that enchantment deck is annoying if you don’t have wipes

knotty ferry
#

That card + ghosts from the past is legit ward 4

subtle sierra
#

ye you need non target removal for it

knotty ferry
subtle sierra
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which you lack

knotty ferry
#

I was trying to get a blocker but they just exiled it

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Sign

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Sigh

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Bro

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That ghost enchantment is legit #2 most hated card for me

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Actual cancer

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[[wonderweave aerialist]]

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knotty ferry
#

Skyward Spider, as you humans would call it

subtle sierra
#

7 lands plus lute isn't hard to reach

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the card is at worst 2 mana draw 1

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and 14 mana win the game

tardy echo
past socket
#

Those Paws sure are Light

sleek ferry
subtle sierra
#

A few of them are not surprising

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A few of them are very surprising

#

Why is there a commander card there too icant

zinc shard
#

some people don't wanna buy the entire precon

subtle sierra
#

yeah but it's not from sos

glad peak
#

True, it’s from soc

past socket
#

More Pat the merrier

zinc shard
#

oh you mean a card for commander

sleek ferry
#

Secrets of strixhaven: commander is still secrets of strixhaven

subtle sierra
#

🤷‍♂️

#

ik it's semantics, but it's a different set code and set icon

#

like you're saying not a single secret archive card is top10? that would be kinda crazy

glad peak
#

it's a different set code and legality so saying you'll see it in fnm is crazy nyaruhodo

#

unless they changed fmn to be commander only

past socket
#

Aside from Diary and Tome

#

Is there more page counters?

glad peak
#

autograph book

subtle sierra
glad peak
#

tasha's page counter is very cool

past socket
#

Autograph Book is very silly and I’m here for it

#

ofc the point of an Unset but still

lusty trench
#

Autograph book wouldve been cool but it was ass in limited, if it were better you'd have the fun of people running up to literally everyone in the store asking them to sign it an- actually that might be why they made it bad lmao

trail anvil
#

honestly that sounds fun lol

past socket
#

[[Gimme Five]] in limited night

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glad peak
#

(Don’t hit people)

#

Damn

#

I can’t gain 1 life per person I smack upside the head?

lusty trench
#

So its best to make the card bad to avoid that

past socket
#

Clearly using it to forge signatures for checks

sleek ferry
#

[[witherbloom charm]]

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past socket
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Blex’s chud son

sleek ferry
#

@stark skiff were you the one that told me that the command zone lorehold precon upgrade was the worse thing ever?

#

Because holy shit, I was not prepared for how bad it was

glad peak
#

What did they suggest icant

sleek ferry
#

They suggested to cut squee and moonshaker

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For draft fodder

glad peak
#

?????

#

Actually nah that’s par for the course now

#

If you’re trying to win you’re sweaty icant

sleek ferry
#

Should be noted that Rachel did this upgrade, so it makes perfect sense for her

#

Josh would never

glad peak
#

I never understood people who say good is the opposite of fun clearly

#

People on the pro tour must be miserable, why are they playing such a miserable game icant

sleek ferry
#

You can also play cope shit and still win, just be good at the game icant

copper pecan
#

i feel like it's a failure of game design for the strongest strategies to not be fun

sleek ferry
#

Every person who loses to me on merfolk aren’t all bad

#

(A lot of them are)

glad peak
copper pecan
#

i've been grinding historic ranked with a simic [[ornate imitations]] deck and it's been a blast honestly

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glad peak
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The strongest strategies are fun tho nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
#

Mono green landfall called, they just woke up from their boring ass turn

glad peak
#

The layer right underneath the strongest strategies tend not to be fun because they’re responses to the strongest strategies though

glad peak
sleek ferry
#

Btw mud, what do you think of the new merfolk card

glad peak
#

Which one?

sleek ferry
#

[[harmonized trio]]

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glad peak
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No

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Why?

sleek ferry
#

Why not icant

glad peak
#

Brainstorm isnt that good that you’d tap 3 of your creatures for it every time you want to use it icant

#

Especially not in standard (unless there’s a deck out there that slows the game down enough for this effect to really work)

sleek ferry
#

I’m talking for modern merfolk

glad peak
#

Oh hellllll no

#

They definitely do not care for brainstorm icant

sleek ferry
#

I mean, we play 4x [[mindspring merfolk]]

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glad peak
#

Not 4 of all the time but it’s a 1 drop that you’re guaranteed to get value off of even with just 2 mana

#

If you’re tapping your merfolk it better be for damage nyaruhodo

#

I do think there are some situations where in board locks it’s fine to have but you really just want to race while turning opponent’s lands to islands

sleek ferry
glad peak
#

Which one clearly

past socket
#

I love watching people get mad at straw

glad peak
sleek ferry
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sleek ferry
#

So this is actually free

glad peak
#

so you turn 1 trio turn 2 mentor and then... go for value in your land disruption unblockable aggro deck?

#

doesn't seem to be the play nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
#

Alternatively, we could consider [[deepchannel duelist]] or [[deepway navigator]] and we just play closer to an esper manabase

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glad peak
#

You’re running less lords of Atlantis anyways because there’s so many variants now, no need to muddle your landbase

#

I don’t think trying to go greedy with your pure aggro deck is really where you want to be

sleek ferry
#

Yeah that’s true, but I think when you consider that boros energy is the best deck, and aggro merfolk gets eaten alive by it, maybe theory has to change

#

Krang also single handedly brought back affinity icant

stark skiff
#

I was waiting for the good cards to come up and I got fucking shit

zinc shard
stark skiff
glad peak
#

Damn died to stax because they opened Sol Ring signet mana dork into mana dork null rod

#

Oh well, stuff like that happens sometimes

trail anvil
#

magic as Garfield the cat intended

glad peak
#

Unironically the most accurate playstyle Garfield intended

atomic harness
#

@glad peak @sleek ferry @twilit canyon pre-modern players are something else huh

knotty ferry
#

I'm getting areo videos in my YouTube feed

#

@atomic harness

past socket
#

Actually went 2-1 for my pre-release matches

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Was on Lorehold Aggro

atomic harness
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Good stuff kuri

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Lorehold was the sauce it looks like

knotty ferry
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wait

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first strike occurs even when the creature is blocking?

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if my 3/2 fights a 3/2 with first strike

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the first strike guy just kills my guy

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before mine does his

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WETF

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HOW IS THAT BALANCED

atomic harness
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Bro's learning about first strike for the first time, I can't

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[[thalia, guardian of thraben]]

lost widgetBOT
atomic harness
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this card was busted

knotty ferry
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bro

golden plover
knotty ferry
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i forgot th ename of the card

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i just faced

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it was like

golden plover
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The fact that Bolas' Citadel is in the top 16 is crazy. Nepo baby ass card

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The fact that it beat dauthi voidwalker is even more absurd

knotty ferry
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kithkin (dunno what this even is) soldier with lifelink, when it attacks play a creature from your hand

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and first strike

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and i couldnt get around it

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but my opp ffed cause he couldnt play

atomic harness
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Bolas citadel icant

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Oh you need to out that kithkin card asap

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I dont remember the name but it's very good

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or maybe you out the thing it summons, idr

golden plover
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Citadel is in no way more impactful than the One Ring or even Voidwalker lol

atomic harness
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Citadel = noob

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Im surprised no bowmasters

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Or psychic frog worryBilledCap

golden plover
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Both were eliminated in the top 32

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I'm just banking on Lurrus winning it and this point

tardy echo
tardy echo
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Only card to ever get banned in vintage for power level et cetera

golden plover
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Hey fable was busted in it's standard, pioneer all star, and was GOOD in modern for a bit

tardy echo
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Impetus for the entire rules text changing so on

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Fable is a good card but

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I def don’t think it’s better than cards that aren’t there

golden plover
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They got bad seeds

tardy echo
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As mentioned obm

golden plover
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One Ring was against Lurrus yesterday

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OBM was against psychic frog

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Ballista was against Urza's Saga

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Unfortunately when that happens you just lose

tardy echo
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Having it be decided 1v1 feels a little silly to me

golden plover
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Literally

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Sheoldred also keeps sneaking by because of that

tardy echo
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Tbf sheoldred also deserves to be here idk

golden plover
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In no world is Sheoldred better than beans tho

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Beans is a legacy all star

tardy echo
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Also esper sentinel only got to top 16 because of commander players 💔

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I will not be hearing otherwise

golden plover
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Literally

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Ephemerate was robbed

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Citadel and Sentinel are nepo baby cards

tardy echo
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That’s also prob why sheoldred is here but beans isn’t

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Commander players…

golden plover
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Oh it's 100% that

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Sheoldred is still like $60 because of commander

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Sheoldred is an industry plant, so I hope she loses

twilit canyon
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Citadel isn't against Fable at any point rn

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Actually thinking on it, ya know what card got super robbed in this? [[once upon a time]]

lost widgetBOT
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Once Upon a Time is EXTREMELY good

lusty trench
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My locals pre releases kits didnt arrive

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Oop

sleek ferry
glad peak
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Hammer time deserves to get erased

fallow citrus
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incorrect

tardy echo
fallow citrus
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hammer time deserves the world

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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I mean it’s a goat card but not that good idk

twilit canyon
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the card hasnt made a massive splash in all other formats

tardy echo
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Does it even see regular play in non commander

twilit canyon
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yea

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thats what i mean

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its a strong and good card

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but its nowhere near dominant

glad peak
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Hammer time lost a lot of stock because minibata nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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Chat silver scroll shit can be in normal packs, right?

sleek ferry
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No

subtle sierra
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Sigh

sleek ferry
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If you want a chance at it, I would recommend just using your locals prizing for collectors

subtle sierra
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Meh i just wanted to check if the set had a winning lottery ticket

fallow citrus
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this looks super nice

twilit canyon
glad peak
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Wow!

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Bonk!

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Your mother!

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That man has done irreversible damage to hammer time, it may be time to erase hammer time’s existence froghead

subtle sierra
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2-1 first prerelease

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I literally had 0 bombs so it's like, fine

sleek ferry
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Almost time

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We’re full but half the 3pm’s are running late lol

trail anvil
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signed up for my prerelease, thank god there was still space left

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I'm hyped

sleek ferry
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Best of luck buddy, lucky you found a spot

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My locals is sold out for the entire weekend + for the next 2 weeks for draft

trail anvil
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that's a good sign 👌

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understandable too cause they did a fantastic job on this set

tardy echo
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Wow people really believe in the black emeritus

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Idk if I’m just reading a different card than them or something but wtf

twilit canyon
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its cope... i get the theory but... its a trap

fallow citrus
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sometimes people need their copium