#Magic the Gathering
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Oh yeah I was saying in terms of storm
When it comes to cedh and gifts piles it’s great
Bro
Last night I said that I don't know all the cards and every game I usually see a few new cards
I just played against a PURE SPIDER deck
I hadn't seen a single card this guy played
Before
WTF
Welcome to low ranks
spat is in diamond
Thank you solar
Was he playing the 5c Spider-Man thing
Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
When Scarlet Spider enters, you may discard a card. If you do, put a +1/+1 counter on him.
Mayhem
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for
if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
Those who cross Kaine are forever marked.
2/1
Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Web-slinging 
(You may cast this spell for 
if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
Trample
Sensational Save — If Scarlet Spider was cast using web-slinging, he enters with X +1/+1 counters on him, where X is the mana value of the returned creature.
4/3
Also I just got diamond 3
HOLY
I'm goated
If only arena could give me some more wild cards sigh
Ben Reilly saw some experimentation very early on, 2 mana 5/4 sounded pretty good on paper
I forgot this card existed
That's what people say about 90% of the spiderman cards lol
Gotta be one of the most forgettable sets of all time

Honestly the omenpath versions are way cooler most of the time
[[The House Grows Hungry]] is way more thematic than The Death of Gwen Stacy
True
Wait
Aside from superior spider man and multiversal passage
What are the most played cards from this set
In standard
I wanna know if I've seen them in arena
That's kinda it lol
The Jeskai flicker deck runs Nia/Gwen Stacy
Simic aggro used to run Jackal but it was a bad card
The 2 mana dork, spidey sense
sense is a big one
even ignoring the discount there really isn't a card like that in standard
oh you're at prerelease?
Nah, I got some packs early. My prerelease isn’t till Friday
no
That horse is pretty
And I sure hope I open Berta during my prerelease
That card is broken
What do we think of [[suspend aggression]] btw
Feel like the card is generally mid, but I’m intrigued by it for my mardu control shell
its good but yeah it needs something else w it
its great vs a reanimator list
but thats it
uh why vs reanimator
Because they’re cheating out their reanimator targets
So you just suspend aggression it and they can’t play it
well ig but if they cheat out that demon does it matter
and exiling superior doesn't matter much besides removing the target
Not in that case no, but if they cheat out say Arvyn then that’s pretty good
ig
Modern probably has better reanimator targets it removes
i don't really see it being that specific of a counter but maybe i just don't see it
and again i think the card is mid
But yeah, I’m very intrigued by this in this Silverquill deck, as copying it, removing 2 things and impulse drawing 2 sounds very cool
Yeah, I can show you a rough draft of what I’m thinking
Roughly something like this
Ratios would ofc have to be adjusted
oh you meant silverquil the card
that makes more sense
ngl
lorehold charm doesn't work here
[[elite interceptor]] is also something I’m considering
reaaaly don't think she's good in constructed
inspector left you an artifact and the sac was instant speed
Spider manifestation origin of spider man skyward spider stunning savior all see/previously saw some amounts of play
Among some other stuff
Can't you play sephiroth in this bc ur sacrificing creatures
Or does that fuck up your mana
Yeah, but you’re not removing elite interceptor
You don’t play enough creatures for that
elite is a classic weenie card and its not amazing
don't get your point here
Sephiroth also wants to be more focused, so probably wants to be in 2 colors or in mono black
What are you sacrificing for silverquill
Mardu control holy…
like you have 2 play patterns here of like t1 interceptor t2 inkwright t3 rejoinder or t3 interceptor rejoinder and like
is that what you want your t3 to look like
that's incredibly meh
draw 1 create token
also the only synergy she has with is inkwright
it being a body for silverquil is meh cause that's for any creature
inkwright sounds ok in the deck until you get that control likes to play proactive so there can and will usually be times when you cannot drop him on t2
Which is perfectly fine
i disagree
if you're on the play having a removal for their t3 play is vital
as it can swing the game into a win
say into green you're either behind on mana already and can't inkwright anyway cause you had to remove their cub, granted this is less likely for this deck specifically cause you have 6 1 drop removals
but you can and will need removal for shit like ouroboroid
or lessons doing a cheeky endurance
ig the last one is more relevant for holding counters
Cub will be banned soon it's fine
if you're doing a pattern for your control shell of "i set up turn 2/3 and then drop a boardclear"
it would be fine
but the boardclear will kill your inkwright
It better not be
I’m gonna smoke you kids with my ramp stratagem
which is why it's more used with green with shit like shared roots into day of black sun, or just a t4 deadly
cause the setup will not be removed
i really think this concept is not well thought out
you kinda just saw that inkwright procs off removal and silverquil is funny, ngl
Solar just schooled you @sleek ferry
oh nice, they fixed sagas
You need to attend strixhaven
The full concept is indeed not fully thought out, but there is something there. Whether I want to play Ajani or Ral as additional options or play more creatures really depends on how testing goes
i aggree that that inkwright plus lorehold is a cute concept but i really disagree that it should exist with a control shell
the removal should be a secondary thing and not the focus
and it should have more repartee payoffs
I mean, it’s literally just grabbing the concept of an already existing deck in mardu control
Main difference is that deck just wins off burning you 90% of the time
Does sos even have sagas or was this just randomly implemented now
you'll have to give me a list cause the deck you presented is an antithesis of the lists i've seen
Anyways urzas saga nerf is pogger
they mostly focused on setup that doesn't have their wincons be <=2 costed cause you need those early turns in control
which ends up being annex and elspeth or smth
control is reactive and tapping out for setup (unless you have literally nothing else to do) loses you even more tempo, leading you to not stabilize
if inkwright was 1 mana i would be a lot more interested in this
which is why i'm coping on tidecaller so much
but also 1 mana inkwright would be beyond broken lol
but for argument's sake, if it was 1 mana you have a lot more play patterns with it
lets fucking gooo they killed saga (its still broken and op)
you can drop it at 1, you can drop it at 2 and hold mana for a 1 cost removal, you can simply drop it later
Wait what does the saga change do? I read over it, doesn't it only matter when blood moon or the other card are in play?
2 mana is quite a lot during the first 4 turns which are also the most important for control
well into non mirrors
I agree 100%, but again, you don’t have to play inkwright on curve, I would even argue it’s correct to not play it on curve vs certain matchups
that's fair but it's a red flag if you have a card that is not correct to play in some cases
it really signals bad deckbuilding to me
again, the card is fine, imo it costing 2 fucks it up for a control shell
Urzas saga vs blood moon was a very very contentious gamestate for a long time
Ppl were extremely frustrated that the most popular land hate in the game didn’t work against the most broken land in modern

Doubling season vs sagas is also a similar change
They changed the saga ruling again?
could we just remove sagas
no
sigh
yes
I mean sure, that’s one way to look at it, but if you’re vsing aggro and have the option to play inkwright or leave up 2 mana, you’re taking the 2 mana anytime. In that same account, you’re vsing control/mono black, you want to cast inkwright on curve so that you can force those removal/counter spells
You can say the same for Silverquill, Silverquill doesn’t actually do anything for you the turn it comes down besides force removal/counter spells
Most decks have cards that they don’t want to play in 100% of gamestates
yes but my point is that your deck's play pattern itself is disincentivising you to play it
it's also why control tends to run high cost cards as their wincons, because they get to play less of them, they're bigger bombs and you can play less of them so that you don't draw them during the crucial early turns
they fix the t2/3 issue with deckbuilding
it doesn't solve it fully but it's a lot better than having a t2 setup piece
We’ve seen slower decks in the recent past who’s wincons are low/mid cost and aren’t fully encouraged to be played on curve idk
Pixie jumps to mind
Idt we can really say that until we have a full deck built though, like I said, this is a rough concept, even when you vs Mardu Control now, that Elspeth coming down on curve doesn’t mean much when you were already down to 10-12 health off just the natural play pattern of the deck
yeah but that deck had removal and setup overlap so it was fine
So it depends on the context of the deck, what your wincon is and how your deck actually plays into matchups 
It’s not that it’s an inherently flawed idea or whatever
I have no horse in the race of whether thugs list is bad or not he literally cooked it today and the set hasn’t even been out yet lol but I think the thought process here is a little black and white
Mardu control unlike say a blue control deck, also just forces you to actually just play on curve, otherwise the deck itself will naturally burn you to death
ngl the deck has less burn than jeskai black but that's a tangent ig
Wait is the set actually out on arena
maybe, ig it's black and white from my side, but it's really the experience i had playing control for a while, people really underestimate the early turns in control just thinking they can try and set up w/e with greedy plays and then dying, which is why i can't really think of low cost wincons that aren't specifically 1 cost or have overlapping roles that were usable in contol
Or is it just the prerelease draft
Ok
but they still have to have the cards be in the game for the streamers to use
Seeing
Let’s say a very common situation as a blue control deck; you hold up 2 mana for removal/counter magic that you have/bluff to have, opponent draws, plays a land for turn, and passes, now you’re either being forced to play a suboptimal consult, let turn pass back to you without you doing anything, and consider that your opponent, may or may not be able to play at instant speed and whether or not that’s worth interacting with on your own turn
Mardu control does not have these issues, as you’re always pressuring life total regardless, whether they have a threat on the field or not
i don't see the life pressure if i don't play anything
Helix/bolt to face, you going to counter that?
Ofc not, but that’s the play pattern mardu control shell presents that deviates from blue control decks
non-blue control lists do have to leverage pressure in some capacity
sure but idt a bolt to the face is exactly pressure for what i consider a control mirror, because i assume that into aggro/midrange you'd hold the removal
unless you like have 3/4 of them in hand
We also usually have a solid planeswalker that can help pressure, it remains to be seen if Ral or Ajani can fill that slot though
ral and ajani i'm more fine with because they're not conditional to make advantage, and ajani even doubles up as removal
which i will point to my point of cards with overlapping roles
oh wait you mean the black ral uh
Yes, correct

Also as a random aside I saw someone point out that silverquill makes temporal extortion uncounterable @trail anvil 
[[temporal extortion]]
Ral is prob better in midrange decks in the same vein as lotv
The casualty copy isn’t cast so it can’t be countered
yeah i agree with that
i think ral is not that great in control
the surveil fixes your draws but i think for 3 mana in control you'd rather do smth else like ajani
because it's both consistent advantage and blockers while also doubling as removal
Yeah probably, it’s still a 1 sided discard though, which is nice, and the thought process with considering it is if ark is worth running, then you got overlapping synergies + card advantage there
Personally I actually think ajani is a pretty dogwater card actually
I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I’ve seen that card be truly genuinely helpful and impactful to the gamestate
But ark might just be a bad card
Ark question mark
[[ark of hunger]]
Ahhh jaja
that is also true, i still think he's fine but also stock up is 3 mana so it fights for the slot
I have no faith in this card either
Ajani is not fighting with stock up for the slot they do p different things even on curve
Ajani is fighting with being a playable card for the slot more than anything
eh
can you not counter copies of spells?
It isn’t being cast
They can counter on the stack but at that point it’s still v strong value
is it not?
4 mana force your opponent to pay half and counterspell
[[make disappear]]
Ajani being 3 mana create a body or removal is pretty fine kiddo
well it's not being cast but I thought you could still counter copies
Damn, make disappear was such a good card
well yeah it's still a spell on the stack
The card can be countered but temporal extortion needs to be cast for the built in counter condition
It’s just how the words work
oh yeah it does say that
When you cast this card vs
Wait, so since it’s not being cast, is it just an extra turn spell?
Idk what else it would say
Extra turn spell that burns your opponent for half 
oh
this is one of my favorite arts in magic too
man I love how they did the elder dragons this time around
it's genuinely so much better than the last pass
eh i liked galazeth prismari
it was cute but you only played like 1 cause lol goldspan
I’m p sure it’s the same guy who did some other v v big arts too
Iirc he did one of the lotus arts? And an elder dragon
old ones certainly were unique but I like how much fewer hoops you have to jump through this time around
I'll see what else he did
Old ones were unique but ultimately sort of bland at the same time lol
wait scryfall sucks
The silverquill was like a weird group hug card
The lorehold was sort of cool but just a mana cheat
And like a voltron mana cheat (bad)
I don’t even remember what the quandrix one did just that it was not a good card
Witherbloom and prismari were neat
Pay 10 untap 
you can tap on his name to see it easy anyways
but yeah I don't like his other arts as much, but he definitely did a ton of big cards
like kiki jiki and mox amber
Still has nothing on my goat dominik mayer
yee
Jeremy Wilson has been one of my favorite recent artists
very distinct style
his art for victor still makes me wanna build this commander alone
Wilson is really good yeah
Mayer is still my GOAT for mtg
Wylie Beckett is also awesome
Elliot Lang popped up in this set and his style is GOOD
My final cards came in
MY DECK IS COMPLETE
HOLY SHIT
I'm gathering magic so hard rn
damn fr
the inverse of Jeremy Wilson, utilizing solid black really damn well
https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A“Margaret+Organ-Kean”&unique=art someone also pointed out how nice it is they brought back Margaret organ-keen for ECL
TIL a bunch of cards and tokens got a new subtype
she has such a unique touch that really emphasizes lorwyn
[[Moira Brown]]
Legendary Creature — Human Citizen
When Moira Brown enters, create a colorless Book Equipment artifact token named Wasteland Survival Guide with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each quest counter among permanents you control" and equip
.
Whenever you attack, put a quest counter on target nonland permanent you control.
2/3
the Book subtype
ye
Honestly pretty cool addition imo
weird that they did this when there aren't any cards that care about books
books got cut iirc
there was gonna be a textbook per class
but they never managed to finalize it
vertical or horizontal cut?
I really love this artist’s work https://scryfall.com/search?q=a:"LeDania"
It’s very good, also reminds me of mayers sort of
Very few artists emphasize negative space in their work in the same way
It’s really cool but I just don’t enjoy the style that much
Also is it just me or does [[planar engineering]] seem like a card that was designed for eoe and like… accidentally ended up in this set
Like look at the name, art, and even the effect is much more in theme for what green was doing in that set
Just you

Thanks for confirming 
Humble beginnings...
this is gorgeous
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︀︀さらに人気が高まりそうな一枚ですね🥰
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︀︀#mtgjp
︀︀#MTGStrixhaven
I’m going to buy so many collector boosters of this set
You’ll think my name is Adam East
Holy. Rich guy. Send me a collector box.
It’s just not fair
Do the JP arts have diff flavor texts btw or is it the same
Also spat if you like the mystical archive stuff look into amonkhet invocations @knotty ferry
It’s in the same vein of hyper stylized treatments for iconic spells
(Don’t look at their price tags though)
my sil says they have the same flavor text on most cards
I think the fow is the chase from invocations (what else is new)
as is tradition
Is there a single set with a fow treatment where it doesn’t end up in top 5 chases in the set
idts
there maybe like
maybe ema?
nvm
was thinking ema maybe had it escape cus ik it had chrome mox crypt and a few other high chase cmdr cards
I figured
Bc even other generational goats like omni or whatever have their flukes
2019 omni is dirt all the other ones are a little pricey iirc
Eternal masters little ren
Welp what’s the worst precon someone can reasonably buy nowadays
Bro how was I stuck in gold for so long
I just faced a lifegain white player in d3
With the humidifier rabbit
HOW DOES THIS WIN GAMES
Humidifier rabbit????
What’s the humidifier rabbit 
[[humid sanctifier]]
No card found for “humid sanctifier”
@sleek ferry this
And the fucking
Enchantment that makes ur opp creatures tap on entry and u gain 1 life
Actual meme strat
Authority is a legit card
Authority is a legit side card yeah
But lifegain mains it
[[authority]]
Sorcery
Until end of turn, target creature gains trample and gets +X/+X, where X is the number of creatures you control.
Authority 

Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Tap up to two target creatures your opponents control. Creatures you control gain vigilance until end of turn.
[[authority of counsel]]
No card found for “authority of counsel”
[[authority of the consuls]]
Them entering tapped is decent and it's cheap but like
Idk bro it's crazy this shit is so popular
Probably one of the karlov ones or the energy aetherdrift
Last I checked the Karlov ones are $$$$$
I bought the energy aetherdrift one for $20 though
Pretty good price for it
They’re pretty nice
I completely forgot what the Karlov ones were
I think the energy one is the most stereotypical weakest one
Blame Game is very popular (deck around goad/suspect with very nice glad deck cards)
The energy from Fallout is pretty ass compared to the other 3
Crazy thumbnail
Oh yeah blame game was fun
Heard that was a stupid casual deck with very small upgrades
Yeah, I think that’s why the Karlov manor decks are money, they’re very well built casual precons
Also very straight forward
The Deadly Disguise one was shit
Welp yet another day of me getting shit for playing slicer and then lending it to some people who then proceed to complain about how weak the deck is 
Because slicer is the only way I can shove all my bad red cards into and randomly win 
It’s bracket 1, literally just pump spells or draw spells 
But yeah my group goes on and on about diversity and yet when we play what do we see? Only 1 archetype and every other archetype is ostracized 
Loved Deep Clue Sea so much myself, currently a 3rd Doc/Sarah Jane Smith deck though but love the clue deck playstyle
My only guess for why the Disguise precon is like what reprints?
Given Seedborn Muse and Jeska’s Will
Ok I think I'm a real magic player now
Every green card should be banned
How the fuck are landfall and earthbending real mechanics
Same guy who invented yummy cards designed this shit
Got these 2 yesterday
Hell yeah, pulled a Turts Shadowspear myself
i'm a big hater of that sewers art
chat what do we think of just
burn
i've seen lists with the lute and while it's funny idt it's that good
also prerelease tomorrow, i'm fucking giddy
Interesting...
actually thinking now i prob can drop the black part as the 12 off defeat was important before, but not as much now
I don’t love it either but it’s cheap atleast
ah that's fair
Card was like 13 or so I bought instead of mid 20s
Same with shadow instead of like 30s got it for like 20
I’m on a kick for novel commander decks and I may have found my red commander.
So the plan is to drop a boat on people a whole bunch of times
Mix with some damage doublers and triplers and you can one or two shot players for the low low price of all your friends
ok no lute is absolutely gross
it's so greedy but so fucking gross
t5 rev into lute draw oml give it to me
tablet of discovery is also insane wth
yeah so
yeah
ye I'd hope doubling spell mana is fuckin insane 
with a better library of alexandria stapled onto it too
ye my initial thought is that you can't really miss that t4
so it's still pretty conditional
but if you drop every removal early you can drop this at 4
but that's still greedy
but you can look at it like a 6 cost spell, drop it then, and have 4 mana
it has a small issue with two color shit tho, you still have to tap two lands for it
i think there's something to dropping white from this but i'm aprehensive about dropping doj
I just know vivi players are gonna abuse the hell out of this in brawl
I feel like jeskai revelation is the best thing to cast with all this mana though
eh I think this is more for draw heavy stuff
maybe
back to rev
if you hard cast it, you will likely have biblioplex by 7
casually dropping a 6/6 in a spellslinger deck sounds scary
if you cast if off lute it cheats the mana
it doesn't say double mana, it says 2 mana of any one color
and capstone doesn't care about the white cost either
and is also a very cheatable spell
i think there's something to it, big spell izzet
is this the fixed epic cycle
Sorcery — Lesson
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile cards with total mana value 4 or greater. You may cast any number of spells from among them without paying their mana costs.
Paradigm (Then exile this spell. After you first resolve a spell with this name, you may cast a copy of it from exile without paying its mana cost at the beginning of each of your first main phases.)
man siding in artifact removal vs control sounds like an oofers
yeah
ngl after you drop a lute it's no longer control
it's like the opposite you just keep chucking 2 big spells a turn
like my lord i cannot wait to do this
i made this in like 3 mins so it's greedy af and needs tuning but
even if you don't have the big spell in hand you have so much filtering and maybe even enough mana to get to the big spell
10 dang mana to work with after
i think i could drop the white from here but i kinda think you need no more lies
i think the issue is living to t4 and living after the t4
because if you wanna do it early you're skipping t4
no 1 mana removal?
that's mega bad
I feel like you need to kill elves for a living
fair enough
i like the strangle from the set cause it fixes flow state
also figured I'd see [[prismari charm]] here
probably need to play it too but you have like 20 playable cards most of which you wanna play playsets of
i'm living the life rn
like this could play erode if i keep white
this could splash other colors due to biblioplex
I think the first cut down would be traumatic critique though, I imagine it'll be a finisher a chunk of the time
nah critique is too good
erode in standard feels a bit questionable to me when creatures seem to be the focus and landfall is a top deck
critique both sets up flow state and is nuts with lute
true
btw critique is like the only way to use left over mana from multi colored spells
if you have 3 lands untapped and lute, and you cast like vibrant, you need to tap 2 lands and you float 2 mana
which is why i think it's critical to play here
it sucks to hit off capstone though
I feel like if you've untapped with lute you don't have to worry about anything else in the game tbh
eh you still wanna spend the mana efficiently imo
4 revelation and 2 capstone is already pretty damn big as a finisher
if critique could draw more than 2 cards I feel like I'd be more on board with this
lowkey I'd want 1 x draw spell for that niche
ig but i also think critique is legit the best card in the set
damn now that's a bold claim there
like overall, i think flow state is more powerful but bestness (if that's a word) wise i think it's critique
your life has become the critique, you are galazeth yelling at a poor college student
me
but people know the best cards are the elder dragon cycle
wizards remembered how to design dragons 😌
my friend is going crazy about quandrix
in a temur control shell
i argued that capstone is similar to it the main difference being a body
which is both an upside and downside
I feel like people are kinda sleeping on capstones but I do just overhype cards too
you staple an emblem on yourself and drown them with value if you can pull that off
i think they're great but they have a big caveat that we're in quite a fast format
but if i drop it at 5 who cares amirite
yeah
decorum really is just worse ad naus though it's funny 😂
idk why this needed to even lose you life tbh
because it's black ig
Ad naus is a crazy comparison it’s a worse unholy annex 
oh yeah that is in standard huh
so you could kill 
but it draws 2 per turn 👀
and it draws at the start of the turn
and on cast
but yeah 5 mana draw 2 is rough in such a fast format damn
I can’t think of any type of 5 mana arena ever being good lol
teferi hero of dominaria /s
I can actually see a universe where this is good in a control shell as your "planeswalker" that can't be removed, that 2 life is just so rough
lorewise it's silverquill but that seems like it needs to go with life gain
All the strong 5 mana planeswalkers that have seen play as control finishers just do so much more than this though
And I don’t think uninteractability is enough of an upside to justify
Like lowkey this card feels worse than oldspeth, let alone storm slayer
storm slayer is genuinely a goated walker, there's so much fucking value in her
I think it's not just uninteractibility but draw 2 each turn is a suffocating amount of advantage
brother your own site lists izzet decks having like 40% of all tops the last 30 days wdym comeback lol
like i get that izzet is getting a boost in sos and i'm saying that too but it's not a comeback lmao
Waiting until turn 5 to start drawing means the advantage doesn’t actually start to become apparent until deceptively later
If I drop an annex on 3 it’ll have drawn me the same amount of cards until turn 7
5 mana just needs to be doing a lot more than drawing cards
idk like especially in a control mirror that much advantage just closes the door I feel like
wait I feel like this isn't right
drop on turn 3, draw 2 cards by turn 5. on turn 5 you cast this and draw 2 immediately
annex draws on turns 3 4 5 6 7
5 mana draw every turn draws 5 6 7 so unless you also counted the normal draws
but why would you
room draws a 3rd card eot but then on the next turn it already surpasses it at the start of your main phase
It draws you 4th card on 6
sure but it's still eot so you can miss land drops, etc
If you’re spending that much mana there’s plenty of much more literal ways to close the door
for 5 mana?
That A.) actually end the game and B.) are playable into decks that aren’t slower than a geriatric slug
Storm slayer as aforementioned
storm slayer feels like a different niche to me, especially when it is removable
I think when you're already running a decent creature count storm slayer is better
yeah that's whack
Basically creature-less control decks used to run her as a finisher with token lands
And annex
I hate to sound obtuse about it but I truly just don’t think 5 mana draw 2 is a playable niche lol
Ridiculous tempo loss and if your opponent, even in a control mirror, is on any type of bomb finisher that actually wins the game at a similar speed then you’re basically just passing the turn and letting them do whatever they want
Consistently some of the worst competitive opinions in the game are you surprised
idk I don't think any control bomb is really that bad to suddenly make it unplayable
fuckin nezahal back in the day maybe? that was 7 mana though
you're in hand hate and strong removal colors
like they drop elspeth and you're staring down 2 1/1s and a pw you need to remove
Mono black also is really not control colors at the same time though
At least it hasn’t been for a while
first opinion i see so ig i just didn't know
why would you play it mono though
If you’re in hybrid then you just have way too many other options
my claim is that it'd be fine as an option
And also still don’t see why I would play this over annex when annex kills my opponent and this kills me
annex is never killing op in a control mirror idk
It’s considerably easier to now that firdoch core exists
y'know what fair enough that's just me being brain dead
Firdoch core...thugs's favorite
I also still don’t think you should build control decks for specifically control mirrors lol
I think side boards exist
I would rather just play a finisher with good spread and have a side board of cards that… also have good spread
Changing out finishers for matchups feels obtuse when one finisher can normally win in most if not all MUs
i think this turn 6 is kinda broken
Again, annex is a wincon that has historically proven itself to be very difficult to interact with because the only colors with enchantment removal can’t deal with the token
[[unholy annex]]
Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Ritual Chamber 


Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
at this point with firdoch it probably just shuts out other options anyways
And when you’re in hybrid black/x I don’t even think annex is your best wincon
If you’re in grixis/sultai/dimir as a control deck you should probably just be doing excruciator
I never considered annex a real win con in control tbh, especially post side, it is however just the best card advantage engine
Card advantage engine that simultaneously puts a clock on your opponent is a v unique niche and hard for most decks to do anything meaningful to
Is annex actually good? I could see it being okay if the opponent doesn't have good spot removal but this just seems slow
I know in control it matters less
But still
Annex is very good
Is there really nothing better
It’s a very good card with no home
When mono black was better it was a much more popular card
You can also get the burn with other cards like [[soulstone sanctuary]]
Fuck me I guess
And [[firdoch core]]
WOW
Oh this is a changeling I forgot
Aura difference
That is good for that
Yeah soulstone is cool, haven't had a chance to play with it
You should be on soul stones in Dimir, all the great Dimir players say the same thing; you should always be +1 ing Kaito
It's a rare
So I haven't been able to craft it
But I have it irl
Ah okay
Also yeah, I +1 kaito a lot
Sometimes being 5 HP instead of 4 is important to keep it around
Sorry not hp
Also to go back to this I mostly consider it the wincon because mono black has no good wincon 
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Which Kaito art did you get btw, I’m very fond of the art with just his face
I know it’s supposed to be slasher bloodletter or whatever
Irl? The normal one
But I have seen many more games won by annex than slasher
I like this one more
I like those but didn't wanna spend extra
4 copies was already pricey
I got this restless reef art though, it looks cool
Kaito always gets sick arts high key
Sigh hating on Hara Tetsuo is haram buddy
Also what’s with the fuckass raccoon
I mean, they might as well have done it. Tyvar got compleatef and came back fine
Why is he always there
Same with Ajani
Tyvar didn’t get compleated wdym
Wdym that Raccoon is his pikachu
Tibalt did, and then tyvar no-diff’d him so hard that he didn’t even get a card
Did he not? I thought he was compleated when he killed tibalt
No lol
Tyvar was sort of broken during one
Iirc he found out that there was some metal that was immune to glistening oil and then he could just do whatever with it
Tyvars powers are lowk extremely broken
Not quite Kaya tier but I’m p sure there’s a few times in the plot when he just turns stuff into rocks/metal/whatever in an instant and they die immediately
But then they decided nahiri couldn’t stop phyresis…
Nahiri… the most do nothing planeswalker oat
How’d she get a whole set of being a focal point, and just do absolutely nothing
nahiri is fodder for a ref bit
any time a villain shows up...
she shows up to get no diffed vs the
I can’t wait till sorin pisses her off again and then she frees emrakul from the moon
And then I hope emrakul fucking kills her
Himoto shares Kaito's spark since it's a kami that's bound to him via tech
wtf
That things a kami???
What does it even do
It's unclear, but it's able to control some tech
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The vamp tutor Jp art is a little too metal for me
Oh my fucking god
I just lost to unholy annex
And firdoch core
Bro
Firdoch core is a demon even when it's just sitting there as an artifact???
I thought it just became that when it pops out as a creature
Bro wtf how can it be every creature type if it's not a creature
And they say yugioh is a lawyer game
Just how tribal instant/sorceries count as that creature type
Example?
Never seen this
At least that I know of
[[kozilek’s command]]
So this counts as getting bonuses for whatever does that for eldrazi?
So like, hypothetically, if there was something that said "eldrazi spells cost 1 less to cast"
It's usually the other way around
This would apply to kozileks command
Yes
Ok
But most synergies are like, if you cast an otter spell and shit
And these are indicated by the word "kindred", I guess
Yes
I will blow your mind but
[[nameless inversion]]
Kindred Instant — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
Target creature gets +3/-3 and loses all creature types until end of turn.
Eclipsed realms are the spaces between Lorwyn's stability and Shadowmoor's chaos—raw and undefined boundaries where the plane naturally corrects imbalances in power and influence.
Idgi
Sure
Just like firdoch core
Well firdoch core isn't an instant but
[[firdoch core]]
Yeah I'm just pointing out changeling can be on anything
Even you could be a changeling...
Also super shredder is broken, buy me some showcase fracture foils @sleek ferry
I did +1 on kaito and super shredder got buffed too cause he's a ninja
Sometimes it’ll say tribal instead but it’s the same thing
I keep telling people that tmnt set is aging pretty decently
It does feel a bit like foundations, that every couple of weeks I find out about a new card I didn’t know existed
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There’s already tons of whining in 4 player games, imagine over double the amount of smol bean syndromes 
Bro
I just lost to some fucking
Enchantment deck
There was this card that became flying if it's modified
And I couldn't beat it
IT HAS WARD 2
Which one, mono white aggro or Orzhov aggro
it was mono white
Yeah that enchantment deck is annoying if you don’t have wipes
That card + ghosts from the past is legit ward 4
ye you need non target removal for it

which you lack
I was trying to get a blocker but they just exiled it
Sign
Sigh
Bro
That ghost enchantment is legit #2 most hated card for me
Actual cancer
[[wonderweave aerialist]]
Skyward Spider, as you humans would call it
ye i was thinking of playing that but with a control shell instead
7 lands plus lute isn't hard to reach
the card is at worst 2 mana draw 1
and 14 mana win the game
It’s a v hated card yeah
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A few of them are not surprising
A few of them are very surprising
Why is there a commander card there too 
some people don't wanna buy the entire precon
yeah but it's not from sos
More Pat the merrier
oh you mean a card for commander
Secrets of strixhaven: commander is still secrets of strixhaven
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ik it's semantics, but it's a different set code and set icon
like you're saying not a single secret archive card is top10? that would be kinda crazy
it's a different set code and legality so saying you'll see it in fnm is crazy 
unless they changed fmn to be commander only
autograph book
tasha's page counter is very cool
Autograph Book is very silly and I’m here for it
ofc the point of an Unset but still
Autograph book wouldve been cool but it was ass in limited, if it were better you'd have the fun of people running up to literally everyone in the store asking them to sign it an- actually that might be why they made it bad lmao
honestly that sounds fun lol
[[Gimme Five]] in limited night
The issue is though its card game players so someone is going to be a dickhead or a creep with it
So its best to make the card bad to avoid that
Clearly using it to forge signatures for checks
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Blex’s chud son
@stark skiff were you the one that told me that the command zone lorehold precon upgrade was the worse thing ever?
Because holy shit, I was not prepared for how bad it was
What did they suggest 
Cut your wincons and recurrable pieces
They suggested to cut squee and moonshaker
For draft fodder
?????
Actually nah that’s par for the course now
If you’re trying to win you’re sweaty 
Should be noted that Rachel did this upgrade, so it makes perfect sense for her
Josh would never
I never understood people who say good is the opposite of fun 
People on the pro tour must be miserable, why are they playing such a miserable game 
You can also play cope shit and still win, just be good at the game 
i feel like it's a failure of game design for the strongest strategies to not be fun
Nah if you’re good at the game then you’re boring because good is the opposite of fun 
i've been grinding historic ranked with a simic [[ornate imitations]] deck and it's been a blast honestly
The strongest strategies are fun tho 
Mono green landfall called, they just woke up from their boring ass turn
The layer right underneath the strongest strategies tend not to be fun because they’re responses to the strongest strategies though
Welcome to the layer underneath the strongest strategies 
Btw mud, what do you think of the new merfolk card
Which one?
[[harmonized trio]]
Why not 
Brainstorm isnt that good that you’d tap 3 of your creatures for it every time you want to use it 
Especially not in standard (unless there’s a deck out there that slows the game down enough for this effect to really work)
I’m talking for modern merfolk
I mean, we play 4x [[mindspring merfolk]]
Not 4 of all the time but it’s a 1 drop that you’re guaranteed to get value off of even with just 2 mana
If you’re tapping your merfolk it better be for damage 
I do think there are some situations where in board locks it’s fine to have but you really just want to race while turning opponent’s lands to islands
Which got nerfed due to the saga ruling 
Which one 
I love watching people get mad at straw
Actually I just thought about this, fucking modern merfolk plays [[silvergill mentor]] now
So this is actually free
so you turn 1 trio turn 2 mentor and then... go for value in your land disruption unblockable aggro deck?
doesn't seem to be the play 
Alternatively, we could consider [[deepchannel duelist]] or [[deepway navigator]] and we just play closer to an esper manabase
You’re running less lords of Atlantis anyways because there’s so many variants now, no need to muddle your landbase
I don’t think trying to go greedy with your pure aggro deck is really where you want to be
Yeah that’s true, but I think when you consider that boros energy is the best deck, and aggro merfolk gets eaten alive by it, maybe theory has to change
Krang also single handedly brought back affinity 
Yes on god. I wasn’t kidding
I was waiting for the good cards to come up and I got fucking shit
lol
Damn died to stax because they opened Sol Ring signet mana dork into mana dork null rod
Oh well, stuff like that happens sometimes
magic as Garfield the cat intended
Unironically the most accurate playstyle Garfield intended
Null rod is CRAZY
@glad peak @sleek ferry @twilit canyon pre-modern players are something else huh
wait
first strike occurs even when the creature is blocking?
if my 3/2 fights a 3/2 with first strike
the first strike guy just kills my guy
before mine does his
WETF
HOW IS THAT BALANCED
Bro's learning about first strike for the first time, I can't
[[thalia, guardian of thraben]]
this card was busted
bro
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The fact that Bolas' Citadel is in the top 16 is crazy. Nepo baby ass card
The fact that it beat dauthi voidwalker is even more absurd
kithkin (dunno what this even is) soldier with lifelink, when it attacks play a creature from your hand
and first strike
and i couldnt get around it
but my opp ffed cause he couldnt play
Bolas citadel 
Oh you need to out that kithkin card asap
I dont remember the name but it's very good
or maybe you out the thing it summons, idr
Citadel is in no way more impactful than the One Ring or even Voidwalker lol
Both were eliminated in the top 32
I'm just banking on Lurrus winning it and this point
What is fable doing here
I mean it should idk
Only card to ever get banned in vintage for power level et cetera
Hey fable was busted in it's standard, pioneer all star, and was GOOD in modern for a bit
Impetus for the entire rules text changing so on
Fable is a good card but
I def don’t think it’s better than cards that aren’t there
They got bad seeds
As mentioned obm
One Ring was against Lurrus yesterday
OBM was against psychic frog
Ballista was against Urza's Saga
Unfortunately when that happens you just lose
Having it be decided 1v1 feels a little silly to me
Tbf sheoldred also deserves to be here idk
Also esper sentinel only got to top 16 because of commander players 💔
I will not be hearing otherwise
Oh it's 100% that
Sheoldred is still like $60 because of commander
Sheoldred is an industry plant, so I hope she loses
by this logic, citadel has redefined combos in vintage tho so wouldnt it go ahead of fable then?
Yeah probably, but the seeding is weird
Citadel isn't against Fable at any point rn
Actually thinking on it, ya know what card got super robbed in this? [[once upon a time]]
Once Upon a Time is EXTREMELY good
Sigh, this is hammer time erasure
Hammer time deserves to get erased
incorrect
Sorry bro not about to say esper sentinel is a top 16 card of the decade because of hammer 
hammer time deserves the world
not cus of hammer time if anything but...
I mean it’s a goat card but not that good idk
the card hasnt made a massive splash in all other formats
Does it even see regular play in non commander
yea
thats what i mean
its a strong and good card
but its nowhere near dominant
Hammer time lost a lot of stock because minibata 
Chat silver scroll shit can be in normal packs, right?
No
Sigh
If you want a chance at it, I would recommend just using your locals prizing for collectors
Meh i just wanted to check if the set had a winning lottery ticket
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they say that to this day, hes still brewing pure garbage
Wow!
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That man has done irreversible damage to hammer time, it may be time to erase hammer time’s existence 
Best of luck buddy, lucky you found a spot
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Wow people really believe in the black emeritus
Idk if I’m just reading a different card than them or something but wtf
its cope... i get the theory but... its a trap
sometimes people need their copium

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