Nah this isn't a good option in Excructiator but it's an option
#Magic the Gathering
golden plover
trail anvil
especially when excruciatior doesn't care about prior mill
golden plover
Yeah you can just play her into a stock up on 6 or whatever and have it sometimes
golden plover
That does work too
Early game puts him in the yard for Kavero
Late game it can potentially close out a game
trail anvil
oh it's target player, this seems like a reanimator card more than anything then
subtle sierra
i've been testing hands with her and like
i just mill myself 10 sorcs/instants for turn 5 5/5 plus 7/7
but sadly mtg doesn't have a sim like edo where i could just hop on and check if she sucks or not
trail anvil
cockatrice
you could probably solitaire and get a decent idea of how fast your turns are tbh
golden plover
I can see homes for her
subtle sierra
t1 tidecaller t2 prismari charm can be up to 6 already
realistically it's like 3-4
golden plover
But honestly there's probably a dedicated mill shell in standard rn
subtle sierra
you do that for 2 more turns
golden plover
You've got riverchurn monument and [[Kitsune's Technique]]
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Instant
Sneak 
(You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Target opponent mills half their library, rounded up.
"Like a monster seeking prey in the night, the truth will hunt you down."
subtle sierra
yeah i just hate kitsune's
golden plover
Kitsune's is too cute imo
subtle sierra
although it's funny cause they won't block a 0/2
golden plover
Your opponent will see it coming the second time
sleek ferry
Who said tidecaller was bad solar? I’ve been hearing people talking about replacing crab with tidecaller in modern mill
subtle sierra
like every review on yt
idk jim davis, some other ppl
the only person that said she was ok was doing a limited review so that's w/e
my irl friends say she's shit too
i think misty doesn't like her either
sleek ferry
It’s up to you to prove everybody wrong 
subtle sierra
sure but i also live in bumfuck nowhere
anything works here
oh tidecaller triggers off all [[improvisation capstone]] hits
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subtle sierra
including that you can hit her, and trigger her next turn
well or the same turn, you run a million draw cards
atomic harness
Flashback (the card) is pretty poggers
golden plover
sleek ferry
Sheesh, somebody released the professor’s script
Also, if I see tidecaller in my prerelease, it might just convince me to go one of the blue schools
Mill 3 in a spellslinger set is a pretty significant amount in 40
atomic harness
Can you pull it up
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sleek ferry
[[hedron crab]]
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subtle sierra
it can both be a wincon or if you're splashing a third color it can mill boros flashback stuff
sleek ferry
Yeah, we’ll see come prerelease on Friday. I would personally be super hyped to open a tidecaller
subtle sierra
well i would be hyped cause then i have to buy less of them 
i think if you open her you have to weigh if you actually can pull it off
otherwise she's a bit of a trap
cause you have to remember that it's a set where the gy matters so you might end up giving them more cards
but mill is funny in that you might mill their bombs
sleek ferry
I need that 3-0 finish this time around, I’m craving those 10 packs
Going 2-0-1 off a tie in time in Lorwyn was such a feel bad
subtle sierra
i hope i 3-0 at least one of mine
sleek ferry
I decided to support my locals by buying a bundle + 2 commander decks from them as well
Which I usually never do
At least not at prerelease
knotty ferry
Does anyone have any ideas for how I could build a deck that uses the new ral zarek Planeswalker?
[[ral zarek guest lecturer]]
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knotty ferry
Or if anyone has anything built yet/any yt content on it
atomic harness
Looks good son
sleek ferry
Mono black, Orzhov sac are the first 2 decks that come to mind
In particular the mono black deck that plays the indestructible elf, moonshadow and super shredder
steady onyx
its really cool yeah
with shiko i assume?
with dimir midrange playing against control its like just make sure not to overcommit
into a boardwipe or something
subtle sierra
areo you really like necroing posts huh
steady onyx
like if u stick a preacher or something
idk man
that was what showed up when i opened discord
u are good for now
or a kaito
subtle sierra
ngl not going all out into control is bad advice
the only time you wanna hold back mana is if you drew interference
then you can counter the t4 doj and maybe the t5 doj if they don't play snare
if the game lasts longer you die
subtle sierra
[[day of judgment]]
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subtle sierra
yeah
post side you put in disdainful so not tapping out becomes more feasible
also you want to kaito asap into control because they don't have great tools to deal with him
besides get lost
well ig jeskai black runs inevitable but yeah
sleek ferry
What a perfect tempo hand
subtle sierra
ok jim davis thinks emritus of conflict is good, i think he's cooked
or i'm cooked
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subtle sierra
it's the lightning bolt
sleek ferry
Oh, I said that card was good in prowess/current mono red
subtle sierra
it's like fine
but his reasoning is like
there's a lot of prowess shit
yeah, why is tidecaller bad then
sleek ferry
I think the issue is like, people are judging it off playing conflict on curve on 2
subtle sierra
yeah i think conflict is realistically 5 mana
with the posibility of 2 mana less if you think it lives
sleek ferry
I wouldn’t say 5 mana, but you play it on the same turn you play your plotted slick shot showoff
subtle sierra
ig
but then it's 3 mana deal 3 and pump slickshot
granted ig you get a second cast of bolt which is fine
sleek ferry
Yeah, I think in an ideal situation it’s a t4 kill with showoff > conflict > wild ride on conflict > lightning bolt
subtle sierra
that's 13 damage unless i miscounted
2 conflict power, 3 wild ride, 1 slickshot power, 4 from non creatures on slickshot and bolt for 3
sleek ferry
Well yeah, I’m assuming you’re doing other stuff on turns 1 and 3
sleek ferry
Oh you’re playing self mill huh
subtle sierra
you self mill for flow state and to get archaic off north winds
if you don't see them early you mill the opponent
it's versatile
or if you're into control you're probably better off fishing and milling them to kill some wincons
cause the t5 tap out will get a doj and you die
into control i have a riverchurn in my side and you probably want to drop a capstone at some point
atomic harness
Thank you son
subtle sierra
oh and it scales steal the show
like you get shit like this t5, and if you assume you mana sculpted for at least 2 mana you have 2 mana open
so you have prismari charm to save either the dragon or the archaic, and for archaic you can just drop him again for free
sleek ferry
What happens if they remove your tidecalled t1
subtle sierra
you play control
tidecaller is just part of the deck
if anything the deck is made around north winds
steady onyx
the only time you wanna hold back mana is if you drew interference
hm i agree sorry i states wrong
subtle sierra
i wanted to add mana sculpt somehow and tidecaller is a wizard
steady onyx
i more amd just saying like dont overcommit into doj
is the big thing with against control as midrange
subtle sierra
the other option is thundertrap
steady onyx
because i play a lot of simic midrange
also for uhm idk how much this matters for dimir
but care the cage
if they r on it
matters a lOT ofr simic
because of a lot of tokens and small shit
subtle sierra
no one is on starcage these days
subtle sierra
what aggro decks
steady onyx
is mono red not a deck anymore
subtle sierra
not really
steady onyx
sorry havebnt been following super much
but generally my point to spat was just like as midrange
you dont need to overextend into control
if u have like a 4 or 5 power creature like you should be good and can swing with it and whittle them down
because overextending into control and getting wrathed is ggs
control is less a mu of board presence i feel and more hand presence
is uh
landfall real irl?
or is this just like an arena thing
because thats insane to me
i always thought landfall was just like a arena menace
and like bad in tournaments
sleek ferry
Really depends on your locals. If people are prepped for cub, the deck does pretty bad
steady onyx
wow this really just is izzet
i feel like some version of izzet has always been top like 3 for past year or two
i could be wrong
but idk
maybe i am wrong
idk
subtle sierra
[[improvisation capstone]]
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subtle sierra
i have no idea what you're talking about
steady onyx
idk either lol
subtle sierra
??????
sleek ferry
steady onyx
[[dance with calamity]]
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steady onyx
this thing
steady onyx
its impulse and does for free
by gettings a speciifc mana valsue added together of cards
subtle sierra
it's nothing like it because you can bust with that
and it doesn't repeat every turn
lmao
steady onyx
ok ok
🙄
omg
i build a new commander deck btw
its not done yet
but its i think funny
here
knotty ferry
Interesting
glad peak
It’s the opposite of dance with calamity 
golden plover
That's SO FUNNY that they took 5 mystic archive uncommons and put them in English and called it an SLD print
urban crane
My little pony
I mean they already did mlp
Still want to kinda build [[discord lord of]]
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subtle sierra
Gaming
tardy echo
Does anyone have any ideas for how I could build a deck that uses the new ral za...
He’s a strong generic but not really a build around card. A lot of black midrange decks (especially decks that used to play Liliana of the veil) will probably try him
subtle sierra
Bro every time u reply without pinging it pisses me off
i got you bro
sleek ferry
Cake only pings in the #1020106528558170122 channel
Let’s you know what his priorities are
steady onyx
Cake only pings in the <#1020106528558170122> channel
bro cake should do a classical duo with me when i get back
tardy echo
Bro every time u reply without pinging it pisses me off
Piss yourself
tardy echo
Cake only pings in the <#1020106528558170122> channel
Are you complaining?
stark skiff
Holy shit MLP bangers! @atomic harness @sleek ferry
stark skiff
The lands are sick
fallow citrus
I can't tell if adam's doing a bit
glad peak
burnt relic
Where umamusume
silver border golshi that lets you dropkick target opponent
burnt relic
glad peak
Golshi to tutor a new uma a turn and dropkick the opponent each end step
stark skiff
I can't tell if adam's doing a bit
How is liking the land art a bit? Even @knotty ferry is gonna use those lands in his deck
The anime cards are pretty cool too
fallow citrus
How is liking the land art a bit? Even <@262101290799202307> is gonna use those ...
most people ik just wont like it on principle for it being mlp is all
so I was actually curious
glad peak
Show melfys again
copper pecan
check the art and writing channel oomfie
glad peak
Mahjong
fallow citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/355156301598425090/1493661630607655195/...
I love how dreadful these look as cards
glad peak
I can’t believe they didn’t have any dwarves in the dwarf secret lair
I don’t like the design of the mlp characters because I don’t like horses
stark skiff
most people ik just wont like it on principle for it being mlp is all
Magic has a bunch of UB haters who cares tbh
glad peak
Oh that was a fun anime
sleek ferry
steady onyx
https://tenor.com/view/noko-kanoko-anime-my-deer-friend-nokotan-shikanoko-nokono...
vro
we gotta play some commander
glad peak
Shikanoko noko noko niko niko kneeeeeeeeeeeeeee
knotty ferry
[[$super shredder]]
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knotty ferry
How is liking the land art a bit? Even <@262101290799202307> is gonna use those ...
Wait I just saw this
WHAT
sleek ferry
He didn’t deny it @stark skiff
glad peak
So I can’t remember who told me that the guy forcing mono red in every format’s just trying to get fast easy wins
But guess what he’s building in modern
glad peak
Nope, Burn requires too much discipline for him
Ruby storm
I built Ruby storm because I wanted a deck to play when I turn my brain off
twilit canyon
i mean yeah but if u dont know how to play a storm deck, it produces the opposite effect
glad peak
I know, I already warned him
But experience with him specifically has told me that he won’t believe it until he tries it so gonna have him enter an RCQ with me
twilit canyon
lol
glad peak
Don’t worry, I’ll teach him how to play it but results will vary
I know storm has a lot of board specific intricacies and I’ll teach him those too but that’s going to be a lot harder to convince him of
glad peak
If you want context he tried to smash to smithereens a tron land
twilit canyon
goals
tardy echo
Btw am I tripping or is silverquill like actually the best of the dragons
Besides maybe witherbloom
For brawl/commander I mean
tardy echo
It reads like a strong card but idt there’s a home for it outside of commander
Same with witherbloom I think
Lorehold doesn’t seem as strong comparatively but has a deck that could prob make room for him in jeskai
twilit canyon
witherbloom ur right about. way too janky. but for silverquill, casualty cost is very cheap and accessible and the mana value is low enough. i wouldnt be surprised if that small upside is enough for a 4 mana 4/4 flying vigilance to see play
ie: play it as a 5 drop leaving a mana open to use him as the casualty cost to double up on a 1 mana spell in response to removal
tardy echo
My question is moreso what decks are in those colors that wants that
That isn’t terrible
twilit canyon
thats a good question and one we wont know until after strixhaven drops. theres some manner of control shell possible i feel that or a solid midrange list
silverquill charm is unfortunately kind of just okay
tardy echo
Black deck 4 drop that wins has historically been a good card
I guess I just don’t know if it has the bones bc sos does have some v good stuff for orzhov colors
But current card pool is a bit bland
twilit canyon
yeah
i do think theres some promise
also, esper, abzan, grixis and mardu are possible color combos between shocks and starting town and our other lands
being 2wb is a godsend to actually cast it
twilit canyon
tardy echo
also, esper, abzan, grixis and mardu are possible color combos between shocks an...
While I was forming my thoughts I basically convinced myself that it will be a playable card. Esper itself is already proven itself to be a very strong midrange shell for a synergistic core (pixie)
The colors are v well positioned into current playable stuff and are generally flexible/adaptable, and something that style of deck was missing was, already, a 4-drop on curve that wins the game
While this card obviously isn’t as strong as sheoldred was it’s still a v good value piece especially in slower decks
It’s funny u mention abzan because I really wanted to try something in those colors but I feel it’s mostly just worse than esper at things besides specifically removing artifacts
tardy echo
There is the jeskai deck that splashes black for inevitable defeat
But idk if that puts out enough bodies to make it worth
twilit canyon
worth considering in general cus again its kinda free...
this format has so much easy mana
sleek ferry
i think a mardu shell could be useful but we'll see
Inevitable defeat getting copied sounds crazy
trail anvil
made it out of momir in 3 games 
trail anvil
For brawl/commander I mean
for brawl specifically I think witherbloom is the strongest due to recastability
tardy echo
Ya witherbloom just seems v v good esp in a format where ppl tend to build greedier and there’s less disruption
knotty ferry
i just looked up commander prices
these decks are $1k???
i thought this was a meme format wtf
lusty trench
it is
glad peak
It is
Just play proxies, people who care about them are people you won’t want to play with in the first place
stark skiff
Yea spat wouldn’t want to play with me 
sleek ferry
knotty ferry
bro
arena players are creatures
this guy was burning me with this room enchantment thingy that lets you draw in end step and burn for 2
with bloodletter of axolotl or whatever
the flying dude
to do 4
i was down to 8 life, i shoot the sheriff pop his bloodletter and he just scooped 
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT REAL
tardy echo
A lot of people would rather just not play it out once it gets too hard to play
Considering he was playing mono black you probably won anyways
knotty ferry
HOW IS THAT YOUR WHOLE GAMEPLAN THO
LIKE THATS UR ENTIRE DECK?
IF IT FAILS U JUST LOSE?
that shit cannot be real
tardy echo
LIKE THATS UR ENTIRE DECK?
Or bloodletter relentless slasher
But if they can’t stick a demon then annex will kill them way faster than they can you
Not the best deck for a reason
Mono black is sort of just a ladder deck because it can create complete nongames a lot of the time
sudden lava
twilit canyon
IF IT FAILS U JUST LOSE?
this is a surprisingly common mtg gameplan even if more casual
all-in style decks
golden plover
It's also usually correct to scoop in an unwinnable position
Said position varies, but you waste less of your time and theirs
twilit canyon
depends
lusty trench
Can always do the pro play special: slow play till time
glad peak
Bloodletter of axolotl
lusty trench
Bro Just really wants to see them little swimmy dudes bleed ig
knotty ferry
yea ive scooped many an unwinnable game in yugioh, i know that's a thing in every game
im jsut surprised ppl actually play shit like this
i guess i shouldnt be
its bo1
atomic harness
HOW IS THAT YOUR WHOLE GAMEPLAN THO
Nice troll deck son
twilit canyon
im jsut surprised ppl actually play shit like this
its even more common in magic than usual
there are deck that function off 1 card entirely and u mull to it ie [[treasure hunt]]
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twilit canyon
where you play this + some bullshit like [[zombie infestation]]
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twilit canyon
or [[solar flare]] and all the cycling lands ever
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Criatura — Chamán elemental
, 
: La Chamán fulgor solar hace X puntos de daño a la criatura o jugador objetivo y X puntos de daño a sí misma, donde X es el número de cartas de Elemental en tu cementerio.
Una chispa para encender un corazón goteante.
2/1
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twilit canyon
or oops! all spells! decks that have no lands (even before mdfcs were a thing) trying to mill their library turn 1 to win
atomic harness
https://scryfall.com/card/iko/217/zenith-flare
This was soo annoying to run into holy
knotty ferry
https://scryfall.com/card/mor/108/es/cham%C3%A1n-fulgor-solar-(sunflare-shaman)
holy, villa MTG
twilit canyon
thats not spanish
knotty ferry
WHAT
twilit canyon
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
Una chispa para encender un corazón goteante.
twilit canyon
i hate it ngl cus it translates it so literally
mark of a bad tl
i get it for mechanics but flavor text??
atomic harness
Una chispa para encender un corazón goteante.
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Creature — Merfolk
Flash
Vigilance
When this creature enters, tap target creature an opponent controls and put a stun counter on it.
, : Shuffle this creature and target creature with a stun counter on it into their owners' libraries.
2/1
knotty ferry
If I cast this on my turn, why can't I use the ability to spin the target back the same turn
I swear I've had enough mana for it
sleek ferry
If I cast this on my turn, why can't I use the ability to spin the target back t...
It’s a tap ability
You can’t tap creatures the turn they come down if they don’t have haste
At least not with their own ability
tardy echo
all-in style decks
Tbf calling mono black an all in deck is a bit misleading
But it often only has 1 real way to win the game with like a secondary annoyance condition
tardy echo
You can't tap
If you could tap under summoning sickness [[llanowar elves]] would basically be 0 mana
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: Add 
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The elves of the Llanowar forest have defended it for generations. It is their sacred duty to keep outside influences from corrupting their ancestral home.
1/1
tardy echo
And be even more insane than it already is
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subtle sierra
He's the goat
tardy echo
Also recently saw someone discussing the validity of elves ban to hit cub
And… I’m starting to think these ppl are onto something
subtle sierra
Maybe
twilit canyon
hmmm only thing against it is that hitting a foundations card would suck
subtle sierra
But my argument there would be i hate cub pleae kill it
I have no other argument for it
tardy echo
hmmm only thing against it is that hitting a foundations card would suck
Yeah agreed but
twilit canyon
cub no elf seems good tho
tardy echo
Cub no elf and elf no cub are both v good
subtle sierra
Problem with hitting elf without cut is that pollinator still exists
twilit canyon
i'd lean towards leaving the 2 drop alone cus elf will always lead to some buull sneaking thru
subtle sierra
Ik it's elf lite but still
tardy echo
But more decks would make use of a 1 mana tap for 1 than a 2 mana tap for 2
Pollinator is so cheeks I’m sorry
subtle sierra
He won't be post sos 
twilit canyon
pollinator would be the end of that deck as a real threat
tardy echo
If that’s the primary dork for cub then I’d be happy to queue into that deck
twilit canyon
i did play pollinator in cedh before but its so ass
twilit canyon
or when you get something from eating your grave
tardy echo
If you have no other mana dorks to spam the board it’s much worse
subtle sierra
I just don't want pollinator to do shit with [[wildgrowth archaic]] cause it gives more colors for free
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twilit canyon
i think it'll be okay
subtle sierra
Idk a t3 ouroboroid with 2/3 extra counters is cringe
tardy echo
1 creature a turn gets an extra +1 counter in the deck that already put up 50 damage in one turn
twilit canyon
yeah and pollinator isnt free to enable rn
tardy echo
Wild growth is a scary card idt the pollinator interaction is scary
twilit canyon
we dont have untapped fetches on turns 1-3
subtle sierra
Wild growth is a scary card idt the pollinator interaction is scary
Ok fair
It's just that I'm jumping into izzet now
tardy echo
yeah and pollinator isnt free to enable rn
Riddler sort of makes it a free card
subtle sierra
And red doesn't have good answers to buff things
twilit canyon
splash white for exile
tardy echo
But like bleh
tardy echo
And red doesn't have good answers to buff things
(This is why ppl play jeskai)
subtle sierra
splash white for exile
Prismari charm bounces
twilit canyon
its gonna be so cope only for azorius to do better anyways
tardy echo
If grixis control is good in standard that would be so fucking hype dude
I miss grixis
I also miss my beautiful dead wife jund…
subtle sierra
I think jeskai gets a huge buff in sos
twilit canyon
idk if theres a real reason to go into black
tardy echo
Bloodbraid reprint when
twilit canyon
for an izzet list
subtle sierra
Misty i play wish anyway and starting town, i can splash whatever i want tbh
subtle sierra
As long it's not double color cost
tardy echo
I actually quite detest rakdos
subtle sierra
I have revelation in side
tardy echo
They get cool cards sometimes but very infrequently
Like Olivia Voldaren was hype
Obnix in snc was hype
tardy echo
Mixed feelings
twilit canyon
cus honestly...
twilit canyon
i think if i dont count kroxa, only other rakdos card i have liked as of late (loosely) is tibalt
subtle sierra
Cosmic imposter is my bro
twilit canyon
its fun to use the whirlwind counter/bounce to make it a 7 drop for free
subtle sierra
I think i played it in ultimatum
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twilit canyon
oh yeah this is sicj
twilit canyon
after getting into magic, and then modern, i was put onto jund midrange
but i never played a single rakdos card
tardy echo
Jund is cool but rakdos is the most boring part of jund colors
Golgari = Hype as fuck gruul = diamond in the rough
Rakdos = boring and normally aggro
twilit canyon
red gruul golgari black green but never rakdos cards outside if dreadbore
twilit canyon
Rakdos = boring and normally aggro <:icant:1310294700384714813>
they just dont print hype often in rakdos even in the aggro colors
tardy echo
No blightning?
twilit canyon
they are rare
tardy echo
Wasn’t that the jund ultra sack
tardy echo
Bloodbraid cascade blightning go +3 deal 6
twilit canyon
shifted to rakdos with mh1
cus it gave less reason to play green
ah and iirc printed a new one in the same set
yo lowkey i'd fw blightning in standard rn
twilit canyon
not for any particular reason other than it'd be fun to burn ppl out w it + cool but rude
also looking forward to the new boros guy with cool but rude
sleek ferry
[[immersturm predator]] was goated the first time it was in standard
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tardy echo
Burn spells consistently create my least favorite dynamics in any format
Even when I know they’re necessary etc
twilit canyon
[[immersturm predator]] was goated the first time it was in standard
fuck u right but thats also same set as valki
i havent been hyped for rakdos since kaldheim holu
holy
tardy echo
I haven’t been hyped since kaldheim…
sleek ferry
What about ob nix
sleek ferry
Casualty ob nix was such a fun card
tardy echo
[[ob nixilis the adversary]]
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twilit canyon
meh
sleek ferry
- anvil was a fun deck
twilit canyon
hes good but like
tardy echo
If his ult was more fun he’d be a way cooler card
twilit canyon
i personally wasnt hyped
tardy echo
Though I do think he’s v cool as is
tardy echo
Fuck anvil
twilit canyon
they need to make a new color defining card for rakdos
my vote: a hype af impulse draw that kills you
sleek ferry
Anvil suffered a lot from where it was on the release schedule. It was kinda like roots, where roots was almost there, and then a lot of its key cards just rotated out
Now roots is a meme
twilit canyon
something like rb instant exile top 5 u may play then this turn, you lose end of your next turn
twilit canyon
i think it'd be fun to let the pair go balls deep and kill itself asap for power
sleek ferry
Let’s check to see what cool cards rakdos has in standard right now
twilit canyon
no results found
tardy echo
i think it'd be fun to let the pair go balls deep and kill itself asap for power
It is weird that the double ritual color pair is shoehorned into small go wide aggro
You’d think they’d learn more into like single explosive turns where you just explode your opponent to death with 10000 mana
subtle sierra
The coolest rakdos card in standard is monument to endurance
twilit canyon
boutta be boros soon sorry
subtle sierra
Although ig rn they play rude
twilit canyon
You’d think they’d learn more into like single explosive turns where you just ex...
unfort that legacy/vintage ruined that for everyone else
tardy echo
Black and red are both colors with tons of fast mana, colors that are semi synonymous with storm, with card draw that puts stuff in the GY and both have ways of cheating creatures
But they end up doing none of those cool things and always just make it burn or just regular aggro
The most interesting rakdos deck I can think of from recent times was rakdos csc
twilit canyon
yea
fr
i feel like wotc is too scared of being interesting w rakdos bc of the prescedent from older formats
ie: breach
rituals
the best storm payoffs are in the 2 colors
so wotc goes
"surely by the 5th small scrappy creature aggro that goes nowhere, they'll finally start liking rakdos again!"
sleek ferry
Turns out the coolest rakdos card in standard right now is legit just [[tokka & rahzar terrible twos]]
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subtle sierra
The coolest rakdos card in standard is monument to endurance
Wrong
atomic harness
Can you pull up the pollinator thing @twilit canyon
subtle sierra
[[gene pollinator]]
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, Tap an untapped permanent you control: Add one mana of any color.
Eumidians have engineered a device or species to manage every stage of terrasymbiosis.
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atomic harness
Interesting ...
twilit canyon
gene pollinator yeah
atomic harness
does this actually make mana t2
twilit canyon
yes but not accelerating you to turn 3
atomic harness
Filter...
twilit canyon
ie: you cant go pollinator -> 3 drop without a 0 mana card
atomic harness
Yeah
twilit canyon
0 mana permanent but atp wtf are you doing
sleek ferry
Pollinator’s cutest usage is in affinity, but then you’re splashing green in affinity and it’s like wtf are we doing
knotty ferry
Ngl, the hardest part so far is just trying to understand what every deck does
I swear the card pool is just absurdly massive
I feel like every game I see 3-4 new cards
I guess it's just bc it's a bunch of non meta stuff
subtle sierra
That and it's a new game for you
And standard has the biggest pool available, ever
tardy echo
Standard also currently just has an insane variety of meme decks enabled by random broken cards that you have to be aware of
twilit canyon
this may be the best standard to get into it at least when it comes to learning
tardy echo
Ie aforementioned mono black
twilit canyon
cus this is how non-rotating formats feel
tardy echo
Or the 7 trillion different cub decks
knotty ferry
I feel like every mono red deck I've faced has been different
tardy echo
They’re all different flavors of the same thing
knotty ferry
Like a different assortment of creatures that say "haste, 1 mana to summon 7 tokens"
subtle sierra
Yeah cause it's not a thing atm so they're not labbed out fully
tardy echo
Thank fucking god dude
subtle sierra
When it was meta it was pretty much standardized
knotty ferry
Mono red is so aids to play vs
Idk how ppl do it
I legit shit my pants every time someone activates mountain
tardy echo
Well also when it was meta it had access to cards blatantly ridiculous enough that you had to be deeply stupid to play something else
tardy echo
I legit shit my pants every time someone activates mountain
Now imagine playing vs [[screaming nemesis]]
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subtle sierra
I legit shit my pants every time someone activates mountain
Shit your pants then
knotty ferry
I already did
subtle sierra
knotty ferry
Want a sniff?
subtle sierra
Eww
tardy echo
tardy echo
https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/157/screaming-nemesis
Why does this have haste btw
tardy echo
Every game vs mono red just feels impossible or insanely easy
Sort of just how it is
tardy echo
Aggro is sort of a matchup monster
Certain types of decks and (format dependent) some colors outright just trivialize aggro in a v big way
Imagine playing a mono red deck against something with soul warden and you didn’t draw lightning bolt
knotty ferry
@sleek ferry what's my next deck
tardy echo
<@304354673647812608> what's my next deck
Izzet self bounce
subtle sierra
(i am spreading propaganda)
knotty ferry
Jeskai black? Isn't that just Yore?
sleek ferry
<@304354673647812608> what's my next deck
What do you want to play
subtle sierra
Jeskai black? Isn't that just Yore?
No it's just red blue white black
Jeskai = red blue white
knotty ferry
tardy echo
People never remember the 4 color names
knotty ferry
Those people are noobs
tardy echo
They’re often just labeled as what color they’re missing
tardy echo
Especially when you only splash one black card
Or in a case like this it’s shard + x
knotty ferry
What do you want to play
Dunno, something similar to my current deck
tardy echo
But for example atraxa colors (witch) is often just called red-less
sleek ferry
So you want another midrange/tempo deck? Sure, let me see how this meta settles first
knotty ferry
The aggro decks don't interest me and green is disgusting
But some of the other decks I've seen are fine
tardy echo
Why do you wanna stop playing dimir
knotty ferry
Stop?
tardy echo
Why do you want to play something else
knotty ferry
Sometimes you have to put yourselves in other's shoes to experience the world
Some days I don't spend money to understand how the poor live
tardy echo
Sometimes you have to put yourselves in other's shoes to experience the world
Well I’m asking to see if you had any pain points with dimir specifically
To inform a different deck choice
tardy echo
Ok
There’s a lot of tempo decks in the format right now, I’d consider looking into gameplay of any of the izzet stuff
Prowess/self bounce/even maybe spellementals
subtle sierra
Looking into is fine but i think you might wanna hold off on building, since sos will change stuff
subtle sierra
Ye i expect spellementals to at least sub attachments for critique
knotty ferry
Actually wait isn't spellementals pretty cheap
Oh nvm I need rares
It's crazy I have more mythic than rares
On arena
subtle sierra
Decks are never "cheap" because all the good lands are rare
If you switch colors that is
knotty ferry
I can use the shitty dual lands in the meantime ig
Winter night stories is a rare unfortunately
subtle sierra
Yeah but they severely harm you
subtle sierra
Entering tapped is a huge minus
tardy echo
It's crazy I have more mythic than rares
This is v common
Especially starting out because lands are all rare
tardy echo
If you’re v new and building stuff I’m of the opinion it’s better to have a functional card base with bad mana than having good mana with nothing playable to cast with it
Obv it’s also important to know where you find a balance there, you can’t really win with just tap lands
knotty ferry
Idk what ur saying bro I just want to build the deck
If the lands are suboptimal so be it
What do u want me to do
If u wanna fund my arena collection go ahead
sleek ferry
If you’re v new and building stuff I’m of the opinion it’s better to have a func...
This is very true
You should basically look to maximize your rewards every season by hitting at least diamond, which you can do on an unoptimal mana base
Eventually, you’ll be able to catch up
knotty ferry
Yeah thugs, that's what I'm trying o say
I know my mana base will be suboptimal
I've accepted that
Why are y'all acting like the deck is gonna be unplayable without the best lands
tardy echo
If the lands are suboptimal so be it
This is what I’m saying
knotty ferry
Ok so it's just solar
sleek ferry
Also, you have some cards that carry over
tardy echo
But it’s also good to know when to prioritize your deck core and when to prioritize crafting some lands
twilit canyon
i also think lands are extremely vital buuut
sleek ferry
Like starting town and multiversal passage that you can sub in
knotty ferry
Yeah
knotty ferry
Arena smurfs is crazy
twilit canyon
if u are sticking to 1 account to build up... u do eventually want to grab them
tardy echo
Like uh when I was making pixie I wanna say I started with maybe 4 of the 12 duals
And about 50% of the actual decks core
knotty ferry
I have no pesos or whatever the currency is
sleek ferry
Pesos is crazy
knotty ferry
Arena keeps giving me these meme packs
subtle sierra
this is a case where solar will make new accounts
This
knotty ferry
And like 25 coins a day
sleek ferry
Eventually your vault will get full from opening packs and you’ll be gifted wildcards
subtle sierra
New account is like 12 rares 4 mythics as a baseline
knotty ferry
Wait
If I use common and uncommon crafting points
Does that fill the vault?
Like if I craft cards
knotty ferry
I wish I could draft
Actually
If I saved my gems
I would be able to
Ok
Noted
twilit canyon
yea
trail anvil
you can draft with gold too
trail anvil
Like if I craft cards
yes but only if you pull more than your 4th copy from packs
knotty ferry
you can draft with gold too
Oh yeah that's what I meant
trail anvil
you can also in theory go infinite with gem drafting but you gotta have a good winrate for that
glad peak
Damn I really mulliganned to death with storm after winning the craziest match in a while
atomic harness
Damn I really mulliganned to death with storm after winning the craziest match i...
What happened little one
tardy echo
We need tainted indulgence back in standard @twilit canyon
tardy echo
And also cut of the profits…
Now that was a cool card
Snc just had a ton of sick designs
atomic harness
We need tainted indulgence back in standard <@480437470870110209>
Bring back [[cut down]]
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subtle sierra
we already kinda have hex
knotty ferry
Ok real talk
What am I supposed to say when I respond to something
It's not chaining
Like my opp activates a 2 mana spell
I have spell snare
"I respond with spell snare"?
Whats the normal way to say it
twilit canyon
i usually just say response
and then tap my lands
btw its good customs to mention if you wanna respond to your own stuff by stating that you hold priority if you need to respond to something you do
atomic harness
Thank you gamer
knotty ferry
btw its good customs to mention if you wanna respond to your own stuff by statin...
Wait but doesn't my opp get a chance to respond
twilit canyon
yes but you can hold priority (on your turn) to do something like...
[[reckless rage]]
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twilit canyon
target a 2/2
and a 1/4 your opponent controls
you can hold priority
and also cast a pump spell like [[giant growth]]
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twilit canyon
so that your 2/2 lives
knotty ferry
Wait but
If I activate reckless rage
Doesn't my opponent get a chance to respond before I can activate giant growth?
knotty ferry
Ok I thought I understood priority but now I dont
twilit canyon
you have priority
knotty ferry
Sure
twilit canyon
when a spell goes on the stack that you cast, you can hold priority to further respond to your own spell before you pass it to your opponent
knotty ferry
Oh wtf
twilit canyon
you can use this to activate an ability, or cast another spell, adding to the stack
knotty ferry
Without my opponent being able to respond?
(until I have nothing more I want to cast)
sleek ferry
I think you might be confusing him Misty, give him a real life example
twilit canyon
yep, they only get a chance to respond (and react to the full stack) when you pass it
oh sure
[[thassa's oracle]]
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knotty ferry
Ok why would I ever pass priority then
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twilit canyon
you need to hold priority to resolve this combo
twilit canyon
Ok why would I ever pass priority then
you want your opponent to cast a spell without full knowledge of the upcoming interaction
twilit canyon
and just to clarify, your spells wont resolve until after everyone passes priority
knotty ferry
Say my opp casts thassa oracle and it enters successfully, they trigger the enter ability, I can't respond with tishana's tidebinder until they have passed priority, right?
twilit canyon
yes
if they hold it
so its good to force them to hold priority so you can tidebinder
because then they have to use tainted pact
or demonic consultation
knotty ferry
I guess it doesn't really matter cause tishana can negate something below it
But
Yeah
I see what you mean
twilit canyon
it does actually, i've caught ppl out on that before where i then dont cast consult or pact
knotty ferry
You'd rather them spend the mana on whatever than, say, a counter spell or something
twilit canyon
and they stifled a 2 mana play before using the consult/pact to find another combo piece
knotty ferry
Rifht
Right
I see
Ok
My initial understanding of priority was that you obviously held it as turn player but your opponent always had a chance to respond
Is there a way to hold priority in mtg or does it do it automatically
Arena
I mean
twilit canyon
on arena, you full control
sleek ferry
Go into full control
twilit canyon
and it holds priority for you
knotty ferry
I see...
sleek ferry
I think the shortcut to full control on pc is what ctrl?
sleek ferry
It’s good to play a couple of games in full control in arena just to get a full idea of what you can do irl
knotty ferry
I gotta find it on mobile
sleek ferry
On mobile you just click full control
twilit canyon
yeah on mobile it has a button for it
twilit canyon
It’s good to play a couple of games in full control in arena just to get a full ...
and how the turn order actually flows
sleek ferry
There’s been a few metas where you had to go into full control on arena because arena is dumb sometimes
You can also go into full control for a specific phase by clicking on that phase
If you didn’t know
twilit canyon
ie responding before they enter combat to remove their creature
glad peak
I won a couple games today by leveling artist’s talent to 3 then using ral’s minus 2 to kill a stax piece 
sleek ferry
Cool, but rude
glad peak
Ran through 3 rals in the final turn of this specific game
The game before that I used 2 of ral’s minus 2s to kill ourboroid because it was a clock
sleek ferry
I was toying around with hardened academic, and man, there really is no place for it in standard
Silverquill on the other hand, def has some legs
glad peak
But yeah storm isnt that hard until it becomes a really hard deck out of nowhere
sleek ferry
I thought this card was fucking crazy [[informed inkwright]]
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twilit canyon
targets a creture is doing so much heavy lifting
this into requiting hex -> shoot the sheriff etc etc wil work
sleek ferry
Yeah ofc, I’m trying it in a mardu shell with silverquill and this being the only creatures
knotty ferry
ie responding before they enter combat to remove their creature
Oh they prompt that
knotty ferry
For removing ouroboid
I actually just did this to win a game
Green players are actual mouth breathers
It's so sad
I pray they find god
Also super shredder is fucking broken holy shit
sleek ferry
I pray they find god
Like Iascha?
twilit canyon
Green players are actual mouth breathers
real and true
glad peak
Confirmed
sleek ferry
Is this true Gaytor?
twilit canyon
red is the thinking man's color
glad peak
I gave a titan player prowess yesterday
It was fun seeing him struggle
Prowess requires more brainpower than titan
glad peak
Yawg is such a sick deck I wanna play it
knotty ferry
red is the thinking man's color
Ok this is crazy
Ok it's not that crazy
Red is more respectable than green
twilit canyon
look im biased but im not exactly wrong
red's capable of so much and there are a lot of intricate knowledge checks even an aggro deck gets to
modern ruby storm is an easy deck enough to get into for instance but there are contextual combo points to follow through depending on board state and match up that the deck can become overwhelming to get actually good at
same deal w prowess, where the main plan is simple but you can create a win from nowhere if you are good
knotty ferry
Green = still wear diapers
Red = 0 patience in life, most impulsive individuals on planet earth
Black = hates themselves
Blue = chads
White = pussies
twilit canyon
not to mention red's role in more control style lists and ways to generate advantage out of red cards
subtle sierra
i think red's spectrum is from braindead to genius
knotty ferry
Actually I'm sure there are cool white decks
subtle sierra
it really depends on the deck on where it lands
twilit canyon
there are there are
subtle sierra
i like red in control
knotty ferry
But every other white deck I face is the stupid life gain shit
With that humidifier rabbit
Gain 1 life every time something enters
twilit canyon
yeah ppl ope hard on white in standard
knotty ferry
Someone casts that I just know they are the biggest cowards irl
steady onyx
modern ruby storm is an easy deck enough to get into for instance but there are ...
ms misty is [[blazing firesinger]] playable in modern ruby storm?
reason wy i think
with medallion its +1 mana
with ral its neural
with any combo its +2 or +3 mana
and it counts as 2 storm triggers
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steady onyx
maybe its not good
but idk
i was wondering cause it looked interesting
is it bad becuase it dosent draw?
like manamorphose?
steady onyx
well im providing things that coudl be answers im considering
but I dont play modern
and I think misty does
so thats why im asking
knotty ferry
Get a job and then you can play modern
steady onyx
?
i could buy a modern deck buddy but i dont want to right now lol
and I have a job lol
knotty ferry
Cap
twilit canyon
and I think misty does
just pinged me to ask without even knowing if i did or not
knotty ferry
In response to both
glad peak
If you havent played control with Ruby storm then you’re yet another bad storm player
steady onyx
just pinged me to ask without even knowing if i did or not
well u were talking about it, and i know ur a goat magic player and super smart so thats why i asked
glad peak
But yeah Ruby storm is very much an autopilot deck until you have to actually use your brain
subtle sierra
i wish i had the confidence areo has
knotty ferry
@steady onyx btw in 2 months I eclipsed your rank in arena
glad peak
And when you have to use your brain is when the game gets hard
knotty ferry
Solar
steady onyx
well
idk what solar knows that i dont
but i dont play arena
like ill play a game or two once in a while with friends
glad peak
Prowess is such a fun deck but it’s so dogshit until you play a good pilot
steady onyx
but i really dont grind arena
glad peak
ms misty is [[blazing firesinger]] playable in modern ruby storm?
reason wy i t...
I’m the only why plays Ruby storm here
subtle sierra
it's how i talk
knotty ferry
legacy???
knotty ferry
You don't have the money for legacy bro
steady onyx
?
knotty ferry
Where's your first edition PSA 10 black lotus
steady onyx
You don't have the money for legacy bro
i play proxied legacy lol
knotty ferry
YIKES
knotty ferry
I wouldn't have admitted that if I were you
steady onyx
bro thats a completely normal way to play the format lol
glad peak
Imagine hating proxies
glad peak
Unrelated I do play legacy delver
knotty ferry
Talk to me when you get a max rarity eldrazi deck like me
steady onyx
wait but what u think about the card in storm
i dont play much modern
and was just curious
glad peak
Oh I thought the message you sent was saying “ok so?”
steady onyx
do you just not need more stuff that plusses mana?
glad peak
I don’t like it very much, getting extra mana to flash back with pif is very valuable and you can’t do that with this creature
knotty ferry
pif... @atomic harness remember him?
glad peak
That being said, I don’t like the card flashback but maybe it’s actually good
glad peak
In storm?
steady onyx
no