Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

i can leave some easy upgrade routes to have a modern deck available

without spending terribly much

[tardy echo]

Frog/obm/fon are rlly the only cards u truly need as core of the deck

[twilit canyon]

hmmm true...

in a way

i actually dont fw obm much rn

[tardy echo]

Unfortunately obm and fon are the money cards

I think obm is the reason ur playing black

[twilit canyon]

its frog

and its not close

frog does literally everything including your taxes

[tardy echo]

Idk I see so many games where obm anally fissures your opponent

In a way frog just doesn’t quite do

[twilit canyon]

on the flipside u ever see an energy player pick up their deck and leave to a resolved frog

[tardy echo]

Griselbrand effect chain obm is quite literally instant victory

[glad peak]

You built a whole ass deck without knowing there weren’t standard events around you?

UB in modern is pretty expensive, most midrange/control decks will be fairly expensive

[tardy echo]

Obm is just an anti durdle card in a format where people love to durdle

[twilit canyon]

i mean yeah

absolutely

[tardy echo]

Blink is popular for a reason and it’s not because it’s broken

[twilit canyon]

i'd play it as a makeshift tempi list rn

tempo

[glad peak]

Modern isnt really trying to durdle, there’s only like 2 decks that do

[tardy echo]

Modern players are addicted to value the same way that I’m addicted to {REDACTED}

[twilit canyon]

tempo fundamentals will carry

[glad peak]

I also wouldn’t recommend a tempo deck to a beginner, archetype’s hard

[twilit canyon]

trial by fire

[glad peak]

That being said UB has enough brainless pieces to carry so it should be fine

[tardy echo]

Isn’t prowess unironically actually cheap though

[glad peak]

Very

Almost every combo and aggro deck are cheap af

[twilit canyon]

it is but its both shit and broken

that dichotomy will break spat's brain

[glad peak]

Yeah I either go 0-4 or 4-0 with prowess

Deck sucks

[tardy echo]

That’s the same as in standard

[glad peak]

But none of my opponents believe me

[twilit canyon]

when slickshot hits for like 50

its hard to say it sucks

but it does

[glad peak]

You don’t understand how much more shit it feels than standard

[twilit canyon]

if there ever was a potential deck, its modern prowess

[glad peak]

If your deck requires muta and violent urge to win then you don’t have a real deck

That’s why after I side theyre never in the deck

[knotty ferry]

2 Annul
1 Negate
1 Intimidation Tactics
2 Spell Pierce
2 Bitter Triumph
4 Requiting Hex
2 Spell Snare
2 Shoot the Sheriff
1 Phantom Interference
2 Cecil, Dark Knight
2 Duress
2 Day of Black Sun
1 Flashfreeze
1 Heartless Act
2 Flitterwing Nuisance
1 The Unagi of Kyoshi Island
1 Essence Scatter
1 Disdainful Stroke
1 Loch Mare
2 Deadly Cover-Up
1 Qarsi Revenant
1 Strategic Betrayal
4 Deep-Cavern Bat
4 Spyglass Siren
4 Tishana's Tidebinder
1 Soul-Guide Lantern
1 The End
4 Floodpits Drowner
4 Kaito, Bane of Nightmares
4 Enduring Curiosity

2 Restless Reef
2 Soulstone Sanctuary
3 Multiversal Passage
4 Gloomlake Verge
4 Watery Grave
4 Island
4 Swamp
1 Fountainport
3 Multiversal Passage
1 Starting Town

holy fuck i thought it would convert to text

whatever

[knotty ferry]

my brain is already broken...

also i forgot to buy dream beavers i just realized

[glad peak]

Damn there’s only like 8 cards that will transfer

[sleek ferry]

Wait, you bought a deck without checking if your locals had weekly standard events

[twilit canyon]

surprising # of playables in modern. nothing like oh yeah 1000% but decent enough

[knotty ferry]

thye have them like monthly or something

its fine

[sleek ferry]

You’re probably looking at RCQ’s

[twilit canyon]

tidebinder is useable

[knotty ferry]

no, i'm looking at all events

[tardy echo]

Strixhaven should’ve reprinted culling ritual btw

[twilit canyon]

cecil is... sure

[glad peak]

Honestly just pivot to another deck

[twilit canyon]

pierce and snare

[glad peak]

UBx shadow might be fine for your price range

That deck got hella easier too

[sleek ferry]

[[$psychic frog]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Prices for Psychic Frog

Modern Horizons 3 Promos

$5.17 • €7.24

Modern Horizons 3 Promos

$10.38 • €12.41

Modern Horizons 3

$4.56 • €6.97 • 2.27 TIX

Modern Horizons 3

$16.07 • €17.56 • 2.41 TIX

Modern Horizons 3

$8.52 • €11.51 • 2.94 TIX

[tardy echo]

I mean to be fr unless you actually like truly want to play modern

[twilit canyon]

taking advantage of ub lands

[knotty ferry]

bro theres modern like 2-3 times a week

[tardy echo]

Just lock in on standard

Are there no places near you at all with standard events?

[knotty ferry]

there's a strixhaven store championship on may 8th

apparently, depending on what the pro tour format (?) is, they change what they play

[tardy echo]

2 weeks after release is crazy

[knotty ferry]

so apparently it switched to modern? os now theyre playing modern

theres weekly standard at some place that's like an hour away

[glad peak]

They swapped pro tour format to modern

Just play modern lil bro

You’ll love it here buddy

[knotty ferry]

modern doesnt exist on arena right? not that it matters but it sucks that i cant try out a deck

[sleek ferry]

Tbh, 4x Psychic Frog and 4x oculus almost gets you a playable modern deck

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-reanimator#paper

[twilit canyon]

nope unfort

historic is too different as is timeless

historic is weaker in weird ways and timeless is stronger

much much stronger

wait just play smallpox + largepox

the new one

[knotty ferry]

whats that

[twilit canyon]

[[smallpox]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/139/smallpox

Smallpox <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Each player loses 1 life, discards a card, sacrifices a creature of their choice, then sacrifices a land of their choice.
"Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm them with many small sufferings." —Ratadrabik of Urborg

[twilit canyon]

toxic fucking control list lol

smallpox... rack... the new largepox idr the name

its dumb and fake but it is funny

[tardy echo]

[[pox plague]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/94/pox-plague

Pox Plague <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Each player loses half their life, then discards half the cards in their hand, then sacrifices half the permanents they control of their choice. Round down each time.
The darkest corners of the Detention Bog hide natural laboratories that quietly spawn deadly infections.

[tardy echo]

Alternatively again, just don’t play modern if u don’t want to

[knotty ferry]

it's not that i don't want to

i don't have anything against it

[tardy echo]

Well I don’t mean don’t want to as in you have something against it

But I can’t recommend you spend much money on a format that doesn’t interest you

If you’re actually considering getting into it I would personally do a lot of research into the format, finding current up to date gameplay etc

And then use that to decide if u actually wanna play it, modern plays v differently from standard

[knotty ferry]

true

[tardy echo]

And I don’t mean just like potential decks you’d play but also like scoping out all the diff types of stuff ppl are playing

There are countless memey combo decks in modern that basically (or literally) just otk you

[stark skiff]

spat picking the dead format

[knotty ferry]

BRO THUGS TOLD ME THIS FORMAT IS GOATED

[twilit canyon]

its a solid format

[sleek ferry]

You still should have checked to see if there was events near you lol. Mtg locals are plentiful, but a lot of locals will also just run 3-4 commander nights

Finding a locals running modern 3 times a week is about as unlikely as finding a locals that doesn’t run standard at all

[tardy echo]

I mean I can’t really blame spat for not knowing that standard wasn’t universally ran like that

Esp coming from ygo where there isn’t formats like that to know an equivalence

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, that’s my fault, he’s not used to multiple formats being options, so I should have told him to check events near him first

[knotty ferry]

I mean, when the format is called standard, I assume it's the standard, and everything else is just kind of an offshoot of that

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, gamer’s choice runs edison more than they do current

[tardy echo]

That was the original intent but the power level of the format + rotation + a bunch of other stuff led to a lot of players preferring alt formats historically

[knotty ferry]

What's wrong with the rotation? Isn't that normal in most card games?

[tardy echo]

Which has led to interesting card design choices

[tardy echo]

Ppl liked playing nonrotating formats where they didn’t have to reinvest for brand new decks nearly as often

That’s also why modern still is so popular even though the price tag is so high, a lot of those ppl have basically been upgrading shells for years as opposed to single bulk purchases

[knotty ferry]

Yeah, that makes sense, just kinda sucks

If you want to play standard

[tardy echo]

It is unfort

Some places have much more active standard play though

I often find actually that in places where mtg got bigger post covid standard is more popular

Man I just want strixhaven now grrr

[glad peak]

Yep right before and during covid was a dark time for standard because it was so shit

[tardy echo]

2020 is also when they really started changing how they designed cards for standard

Now we get actual fun strong cards (even if it’s lead to v bad powercreep)

[glad peak]

Currently modern is so popular because of people having prior cards, wotc supporting it competitively, and (now) the prices being comparable to standard

Not to mention nonrotating (anymore)

[stark skiff]

Same. Seeing game play for the commander decks now lol

[glad peak]

Is it cute?

Also I just realized you might be in the same area as me

[knotty ferry]

PLAT 2

LFG

[subtle sierra]

chat

wandering archaic is nuts

if you north winds for it, you get a 5/5 flyer, 7/7 with reach, and a free sorc/instant from gy

which can often be a draw 4

it's kiiinda crazy

[trail anvil]

[[wandering archaic]] this one?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/6/wandering-archaic-explore-the-vastlands

Wandering Archaic <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Creature — Avatar
Whenever an opponent casts an instant or sorcery spell, they may pay . If they don't, you may copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Fly the path of nine birds."
4/4

Explore the Vastlands
Sorcery
Each player looks at the top five cards of their library and may reveal a land card and/or an instant or sorcery card from among them. Each player puts the cards they revealed this way into their hand and the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order. Each player gains 3 life.

[subtle sierra]

fuck not that one uhh

[[dawning archaic]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/1/the-dawning-archaic

The Dawning Archaic <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Legendary Creature — Avatar
This spell costs less to cast for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Reach
Whenever The Dawning Archaic attacks, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
7/7

[subtle sierra]

it's fairly easy to get to 10 in gy pretty fast

i play the 1 drop miller so you can both opt to mill your opponent, or yourself

[trail anvil]

yeah as long as you're running a cheap instant/sorcery to get a bomb spell in gy I'd imagine it's easy to pop off with this one

plus I imagine izzet struggles with a 7/7 reach that can be recast for cheap

[subtle sierra]

prismari charm can mill up to two, critique discards and steal the show can yeet your hand

oh fuck wait you can even prismari charm this back for another free recast

god i'm so hyped for this shit

i should experiment with that draw spell that gives mana

[lusty trench]

The main downside is no protection on it

But like its usually cheap enough to where it feels good to play regardless

[subtle sierra]

Wait i misread him he's absolutely bad

Holy

Why did i think he's on enter

[trail anvil]

on etb would be insanely busted holy

[[scholar of the lost trove]] for free??

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/14/scholar-of-the-lost-trove

Scholar of the Lost Trove <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When this creature enters, you may cast target instant, sorcery, or artifact card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If an instant or sorcery spell cast this way would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
5/5

[subtle sierra]

Yeah that is why i went crazy

The card read absolutely insane

[trail anvil]

if it was on etb you'd just turbo into this card and run 4 maindeck, and it'd be an instant meta deck

we already had a worse version with mizzix's mastery in pioneer before

[subtle sierra]

Yeah i was just testing that

Turn 4 capstone or just draw like 3 of them

Oh well, I'll go back to mill memes

[trail anvil]

tbh I still think it's a decent card, needing to attack is a cost but you should be able to get the cost down low so it turns into a must remove for cheap

[subtle sierra]

I mean ig i can just use him as an extra stack stick for north winds avatar

It's not like 5 mana 12/12 in stats is bad

If you have 10 spells ofc

[trail anvil]

if you're planning to go through that many spells then ye

I feel like everything in constructed depends on how many spells you expect to get in the gy by a certain turn

[subtle sierra]

Well north winds wishes him out of sideboard so i can just not get him

Especially when the first one probably gets capstone, so the capstones can hit another copy to get archaic

token arts

pests and elementals got shafted

lol

wdym the others get 2 arts

[stark skiff]

You’re missing them that’s why

[subtle sierra]

oh ok

[stark skiff]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/the-tokens-of-secrets-of-strixhaven

You missed the best pest one lol

[subtle sierra]

ye i missed them

[stark skiff]

Also the copy token is sick af

[subtle sierra]

this one?

eh

[trail anvil]

that squid is something else

[stark skiff]

Yea I don’t get what it has to do with copy but the art is cool

[subtle sierra]

it's a reflection adam

[stark skiff]

Also like the Contract token

[subtle sierra]

oh yea i didn't post the fractals

i like the first one

[trail anvil]

I wonder if the reflection is a different color because it's silverquill mirroring prismari or just meant to show that it's historical

[stark skiff]

[subtle sierra]

i don't like the art cause i have no idea what the perspective is

it confuses me where are we looking from

[stark skiff]

Yea that’s what got me lol

[trail anvil]

from above/below, no?

[sudden lava]

Pest but even more pug energy

[sleek ferry]

I just realized

I need the Japanese dismember mystical archive for my modern merfolk deck

[sleek ferry]

@atomic harness what do you think of new age psychic frog?

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I might be coping, but the more I read [[hardened academic]] the better it gets

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sos/194/hardened-academic

Hardened Academic <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird Cleric
Flying, haste
Discard a card: This creature gains lifelink until end of turn.
Whenever one or more cards leave your graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"Do you think I've spent a lifetime studying war and learned nothing?"
2/1

[twilit canyon]

idt you are coping... but idt theres a shell for it in standard

[sleek ferry]

In this case, while I might try it in standard, I am also excited for its modern uses

[glad peak]

I don’t think there’s a shell for it in modern

Even at the highest high, phlage escaping only triggers this guy twice

[trail anvil]

I feel like this is a fantastic card for its archetype but lorehold is still so new as an archetype that I feel like it's undersupported

[glad peak]

we need to stop luring new players into commander in general

[atomic harness]

Thank you, mr mudkip

[copper pecan]

commander kind of has an entirely different appeal from the rest of the game

this is fine but it doesn't work when you try to do tournaments for it

[glad peak]

tournaments work for it, the gripes against commander tournaments are the same as tournaments that are for 1v1

[copper pecan]

i have yet to see a 1v1 tournament have a game last 11 hours

[glad peak]

the issue PK has of this specific one is that of casual commander tournaments, where the issue of deck imbalance (which shouldn't be an issue in the first place) happens

1v1 tournaments can have a game last 11 hours if the same circumstances were to come up where no one decides to call a judge on obvious slow play

[atomic harness]

Im pretty sure a reasonable human being wouldve strangled you like 4 hours in

[glad peak]

there's that nadu game where the final turn was like an hour or 2 because the opponent didn't concede and the nadu pilot was going fast

if the nadu pilot was slow playing like in that commander game then it would have conceivably lasted 11 hours or longer

btw i mean nadu in modern

now imagine that for stuff like kci or eggs, where the loop is much longer and the opponent wants to play it out and the pilot is slow playing, how much worse that would've been

[stark skiff]

PleasantKenobi

[subtle sierra]

wait i somehow only now watched strixhaven's trailer

abigale can't talk?

that's so sad

[glad peak]

i thought they were deaf

[subtle sierra]

or that

i just noticed she doesn't talk and only communicates with hands

she doesn't exactly sign tho

[past socket]

I know sometimes deaf people can have some trouble with speech at least

[sleek ferry]

People bitch about Professor, but PK is literally the biggest leech in this game

Man only makes negative content

[subtle sierra]

oh yeah i don't like that guy

just didn't pass my vibe check

[sleek ferry]

You’re not missing anything, man literally only makes content for boomers who played magic during its “peak” and now only bitch and moan, and reminisce about the good old days

[glad peak]

Hes a chill guy irl too, same strategy as professor

[sleek ferry]

Professor at least has shuffle up and play

Which is one of the better series

[past socket]

Like as I’ve understood PK’s content, some of its valid but it’s exhausting to be just this mad about everything

Only so many fucks you can give

[stark skiff]

prof is chill. his bitching about ub is the only thing im not a fan of, but he's usually positive in his vids outside of that

[tardy echo]

BBD nadu match could’ve

I agree that commander has unique to commander problems but game length is only sort of quartenary in that aspect

If you’re playing a 1v1v1v1 you can reasonably expect longer games than 1v1

[fallow citrus]

this thread has been quite interesting to follow

https://x.com/i/status/2043406344154177652

AliEldrazi (@AliEldrazi)

Pod 2. Guy has Esper Sentinel turn one. I’m paying the 1, other guy’s aren’t. He draws four extra cards and now has a gaea’s cradle creature and 6 other creatures in play. I say, that’s a lot of mana, he’s a threat, we should probably stop him. The two other players say that’s

X · Apr 12, 2026, 7:10 PM

[glad peak]

I have a feeling either he’s simplifying by a ton, people didnt keep playable hands, or the opponents are just bad

But that’s just how games go

[atomic harness]

Strange thread

[sleek ferry]

Tbh, I think unless you’re on rog si, or you know you got an uninterrupted t2 win, you should pay the 1

[atomic harness]

most play to win kids don't pay the 1

everyone always feeds whenever I watch

since they wanna develop

[glad peak]

Not always true, there’s a decent amount of times where you want to feed the rhystic player to give them interaction

[atomic harness]

Yeah

you're probably losing to kinnan but it's fine...

[glad peak]

People are just not great at figuring out what the best time to pay/not pay is

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I think this is incorrect

Also the opposing guy was on bridgit apparently

So that pod was trolling

[atomic harness]

Im like huh what selesnya list is there, yoshi thras?

I think bridgit won a tourney but it's a meme yeah

[sleek ferry]

Ain’t no way you let the double gaea’s cradle deck get 7 mana + gaea’s cradle uninterrupted

And then say “that’s not how they win”

This sums up my thoughts on a lot of Cedh plays, even my boys at p2w https://x.com/nsflgsliger/status/2043414165969088622?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Liger (@nsflgsliger)

@AliEldrazi Ah yes the "they aren't winning im not worried"
"Oh their winning whatever coulr we have done??"

X · Apr 12, 2026, 7:41 PM

[atomic harness]

Liger Dancer is crazy

[glad peak]

Brigid is very strong and known, idk why people think it wasn’t a threat

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, everybody should know Brigid after it won that tourney

[atomic harness]

Just like metagame menace rog ishai amirite

[glad peak]

Rog ishai only wins if you get rhystic down

[atomic harness]

Dizzy spell mystic remora

[glad peak]

And even then it’s hard for them to win

[atomic harness]

Yeah I don't like tht deck

actually trolling if you play tht

[glad peak]

But yeah who knew cradle in the command zone was good? Certainly not Rog thras players

Eh I think it’s fine as a tournament deck because people give you time

If people over respect your interaction then you win and if people give you too many cards you win or force a draw

For tournaments without draws I really really enjoy celes

[glad peak]

People were onto Brigid when she was announced

[glad peak]

Should I play semi blue in my next tournament?

[glad peak]

So I played against a tnt player who decided the best course of action is to try to race a win all the time no matter what

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

Classic tnt, all turbo no interaction, right?

[twilit canyon]

2012 called: they want their dipshit cedher back

[glad peak]

Storm’s fun and all but I don’t think it was a good idea for me to get it

My boomer gds player isnt happy

[twilit canyon]

huh? but boomer shadow can beat up on storm...

[fallow citrus]

youtube just randomly recommended me a banger
https://youtube.com/shorts/gRafTalQsbM?si=vf_f3Y3fgDkcitxN

[twilit canyon]

unless you are bad bad

[twilit canyon]

love seeing brainstorm play patterns explained and ig this is coming up again for standard getting a technical brainstorm

[tardy echo]

Standard doesn’t have any easy shuffles though does it

I guess natures rhythm

[twilit canyon]

fabled passage too

i feel like u can justify

[tardy echo]

Passage I guess but u def aren’t playing that card in rhythm decks idk

[glad peak]

no, i'm the boomer gds player now playing storm

[twilit canyon]

oh lmfao

[glad peak]

i got the ff snapcaster and wish i could play it so bad

So many people I know first playing legacy say brainstorm is a bad card because they get locked

I say theyre just bad players

[twilit canyon]

i once caused a kid's brain to explode when i brainstormed into his ts to protect a combo

i could see the neurons activate in real time

[glad peak]

Meanwhile someone caused my brain to explode after doing a full turn and then cracking a fetchland to brainstorm

[twilit canyon]

[glad peak]

Mfer really went on to say he was looking for a land

His land drop was the fetchland

[twilit canyon]

god i love ppl new to brainstorm

[rigid scarab]

iirc it's shifted away from "Non-magic IP in magic" to "What UB has done to set design"

[sleek ferry]

Passage, demolition field ig?

[past socket]

I just don’t get how people enjoy having something to get mad at every upload from someone like PK. I doubt I ever will and maybe that’s okay

[sleek ferry]

You mean, created one of the best standard formats ever? How could they

Also, prof will bitch about the limited environment of some of these UB sets (Spiderman is the one we can all agree was extremely terrible), but not mention how bad some of the in world limited environments were

Like Outlaws

[twilit canyon]

in-universe magic set bad gets less clicks than ub magic set bad

[sleek ferry]

Lorwyn and TMNT unironically had the same issue in that they both got old quickly, neither were bad per say, but you never heard a single person shit on Lorwyn

[past socket]

Except PK but again, dude will find a way to get mad at Wizards if it kills him

[copper pecan]

outlaws limited was alright

[rigid scarab]

He was bitching about Outlaws and MKM tbf

Like the UB-lite sets if you will

[copper pecan]

now snc limited, that was awful

[past socket]

The limited I’ve heard the most positive was Neon Dynasty

But again, far before my time so it’s basically hear-say

[copper pecan]

neo is like legit probably the single best limited set of the last 10 years

[sleek ferry]

SNC had a lot of limited bombs that were completely unusable in constructed

[copper pecan]

snc got completely fucked by that one white 2/1 for 3 that flies an draws a card

at common

[sleek ferry]

But iirc SNC prerelease wasn’t bad, I can’t comment on draft though, I didn’t draft SNC

[copper pecan]

removing that one card would drastically improve the format

[rigid scarab]

I will say

If NEO and SNC came out in a post-ub era

They would be getting the same judgment of flavour as OTJ, MKM and DFT

[copper pecan]

i remember when neo was first announced people had the same reaction to it that they did to a lot of those sets actually

[tardy echo]

Do u mean dft

[copper pecan]

people said it was too far from what magic normally is

[rigid scarab]

idk what you mean

[copper pecan]

after having seen a little bit of art from it

[tardy echo]

Idek if that’s the acronym

[past socket]

Mostly because the term hat set is a nothingburger that just poisoned set discourse

[tardy echo]

Extremely forgettable set

[sleek ferry]

What was bad about aetherdrift limited? The main bitching I remember was start your engines being a weak set mechanic

[rigid scarab]

Nothing

People took issue with flavour and theming

[past socket]

Bloomburrow doesn’t get anywhere near the same flak as the others either

AND THAT IS LITERALLY THE PLANET OF HATS TROPE

[tardy echo]

But tbf a lot of complaints from mkm and friends is just that it was a string of very low impact sets

Which, notably, snc an especially neo were not

[rigid scarab]

The argument there is that it's fantasy-grounded

None of the other sets in question are based in fantasy

[past socket]

And I’d personally note that it’s still a double standard

[tardy echo]

Bloomburrow also isn’t trying to progress the plot

Idk

[rigid scarab]

I mean not really

MTG affirmed itself as a fantasy-based tcg

[past socket]

But when do people wanting to be angry about something care about consistency

[tardy echo]

Idk I think there’s a world of difference between blb and mkm

[copper pecan]

i don't

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, but the initial comment was on prof’s critiques attacking issues that other in universe sets also had, ya feel me? Tbf though, I completely blame not only Prof but Jessie, since she writes some of these videos for prof, and she absolutely hates UB

[copper pecan]

if anything i think blb was way further from magic's regular aesthetic than mkm was

[tardy echo]

I agree

But I don’t think blb is really a hat set in the same way that mkm/especially otj are

[rigid scarab]

You can argue DSK too

[past socket]

I just don’t respect the term because it doesn’t mean anything

[sleek ferry]

SNC was a hat set as well

[past socket]

It just ends meaning “Set I didn’t like” 99% of the time

[rigid scarab]

I mean tbf

You're someone very new to magic ip

So this is probably just the norm to you

[tardy echo]

Idk at a certain point u just start calling every set with a unique location a hat set

In the entire ip which is defined by… having wide and varied settings

[rigid scarab]

I mean DSK as in like

[trail anvil]

DSK had a great theme but they played into it slightly too hard with the 80s humans

[copper pecan]

i've been playing for 8 years now and i agree with kuri

[rigid scarab]

Literally naming cards after common tropes in the setting it's based on

[sleek ferry]

Also, and I’ll stand by this. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with WotC designing goofy sets like MKM and aetherdrift

[rigid scarab]

"Hey guys I am mister Jigsaw from Saw"

[tardy echo]

For the record I think aesthetically mkm is a delightful set

[copper pecan]

[[orphans of the wheat]] had me actually laugh out loud when i first saw it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/22/orphans-of-the-wheat

Orphans of the Wheat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human
Whenever this creature attacks, tap any number of untapped creatures you control. This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each creature tapped this way.
Their only family is each other, and their only toys are those who wander too far into the fields.
2/1

[sleek ferry]

We also forgot how badly EoE was being shit on pre spoilers/release season, because the set was just flat out one of the best designed sets ever lol

[tardy echo]

My issues with mkm are 96% from the fact that the cards are very bad and the other 4% is from the fact that I can’t have sex with Alquist Proft

[past socket]

I am but that doesn’t mean I consider it the norm as someone who spent a lot of time exploring older sets given playing an eternal format usually. And honestly agree SNC and NEO would’ve been met with similar. Unless I wanna go for the Thing, Japan jab

[rigid scarab]

I wasn't that much around for SNC

Was its flavour being called out by anyone

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, especially when you compare old Kamigawa to new Kamigawa, like tf do you mean this is just one of the most technologically advanced planes now

[copper pecan]

old kamigawa took place 1300 years ago

[tardy echo]

A lot of mkm cards are just overly hampered for no reason/designed for commander but in a bad way imo so it feels like there’s a lot of potential for mechanically cool cards that doesn’t do a ton

At least for me

And a similar issue with dft and otj both

[copper pecan]

i didn't like mkm but that was mainly because i didn't like disguise

[rigid scarab]

And the designed for commander problem has been lasting way longer than UB

So

[sleek ferry]

This is also the demographic that PK appeals to, people born 1300 years ago

[trail anvil]

tbh was SNC actually that bad? I feel like the biggest complaint about that set was we didn't have corrupt police

[tardy echo]

Some sets design cards for commander (positive)

[trail anvil]

and the set itself was underpowered

[tardy echo]

Some sets design cards for commander (negative)

[copper pecan]

the limited format was really, really bad

[tardy echo]

It’s up to you to find out where I align myself

[rigid scarab]

I dont think its designing cards for commander as it is designing sets for commander

[trail anvil]

sure that's too but I like the setting

[glad peak]

SNC was pretty bad but it wasn’t as bad as every ixalan (which was also criticized for being a hat set)

[past socket]

The 1300 years thing reminds me of people who try to deny the tomb in the Great Pyramid in Giza by comparing the tomb to the ones in the Valley of the Kings

[rigid scarab]

I like how amidst all the controversy on hat sets is

No matter what side your on

[tardy echo]

People calling ixalan a hat set just actually want 6000 sets on ravnica and zendikar

[glad peak]

Neo was a great limited set and I still think ecl is good but only if you remove all rares

[trail anvil]

I feel like the meaning of hat set gets cloudier the more we talk about it

[rigid scarab]

Everyone unanimously agrees that MOM was just narrative horseshit

[copper pecan]

i don't agree tbh

[past socket]

Not critiquing Salt’s use of 1300 years, just agreeing with how the advance,ents of NEO era Kamigawa would be pretty feasible

[copper pecan]

i thought it was kinda underwhelming but not horrible

[sleek ferry]

The real elephant in the room when it comes to actual sets designed for commander, is that the actual sets designed for commander are somehow usually worse than just our regular sets (looking straight at CL2 and Commander Masters)

[glad peak]

People hated ixalan because it was seen as “jace but with pirates”

[trail anvil]

MKM and OTJ felt like the actual "hat sets" to me in the sense that they literally slapped hats onto characters to make them act weird

[sleek ferry]

No commander set has managed to recreate the magic of Commander Legends 1 as a commander set

[glad peak]

And then jace got actual story and the set was fun

[copper pecan]

tbh it feels to me like people throw these criticisms about literally everything wotc puts out

[past socket]

Like the Valley of the Kings and the reign of Khufu span 1500 years of timeframe

[rigid scarab]

I do think those are the worst offenders

[trail anvil]

ravnica just randomly got a bunch of detectives, otj randomly got a bunch of cowboys and the plane was shallow

[rigid scarab]

And then DFT is a little behind

[tardy echo]

I mean to get a little cynical about it I think mtgs story has never actually been terribly concrete solid and now that it’s a more popular ip it’s easier for people to realize that

[rigid scarab]

I mean you can't say that WOTC isn't making it easy

[trail anvil]

DFT at least mostly didn't have a bunch of random changes, just a weird death race mold

[sleek ferry]

DFT made a lot of sense though in the context of the story. You can say the race itself was silly, but the reason behind it made sense

[glad peak]

I didn’t like aetherdrift because I didn’t like kaladesh or vehicles in general

[trail anvil]

I think the idea was even interesting, the biggest shortcoming of DFT was it was weak to me

[sleek ferry]

Also, we got introduced to —Pikachu— Loot

[glad peak]

DFT draft was amazing as a stand-alone thing

[rigid scarab]

I have not seen a single person who actually likes loot

[copper pecan]

i love how loot looks in [[full throttle]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/127/full-throttle

Full Throttle <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
After this main phase, there are two additional combat phases.
At the beginning of each combat this turn, untap all creatures that attacked this turn.
"You wanted a fight. Now you've got two." —Chandra Nalaar

[past socket]

People heavily overreacted though

[sleek ferry]

I like loot

[copper pecan]

he's just a scrunkly little scrimblo who loves violence

[sleek ferry]

I think Loot will help bridge UB sets in the future

[tardy echo]

He’s a fun card to play

[rigid scarab]

I think everyone called out industry plant frame 1

[tardy echo]

And it’s funny to watch him suffer

[trail anvil]

loot feels like a walking macguffin for now, maybe in the future we'll get some more stuff

[glad peak]

I remember the criticism of kaladesh in the context of standard; “imagine you’re a peasant in medieval Germany and you look up to see a looter scooter and you’re being forced to fly it”

[copper pecan]

i remember seeing that too

[tardy echo]

That can go back to ravnica though

[copper pecan]

i also remember seeing it about [[silent submersible]] in war of the spark

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/66/silent-submersible

Silent Submersible <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Vehicle
Whenever this Vehicle deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Crew 2 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 2 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
2/3

[tardy echo]

Imagine someone from zendikar seeing whatever people in izzet/simic were doing

[trail anvil]

but like kaladesh fit in the "magic runs machines" kind of high fantasy

[glad peak]

Who has the copypasta of chandra being decked in the chest while loot’s in there

[past socket]

Something that, yea, Izzet already did

[glad peak]

Yep, magic had machines and guns since the early 90s

Parts of dominaria had both

[stark skiff]

Yea but tbh I think these sets let the in-universe set cook more. Also so far the UB in standard hasnt been all doom and gloom like people thought. Avatar and TMNT are pretty good. SM has been the only dud.

[trail anvil]

I disagree with tmnt

[copper pecan]

i think spiderman and tmnt were definitely weird choices to have whole sets about them

[trail anvil]

it's not as bad as spider man but it doesn't feel great

[sleek ferry]

I think the new marvel set will very likely be avatar level in terms of being a fully cohesive set

[glad peak]

Tmnt wasn’t really liked but rather has cards people need to people tolerate it

[trail anvil]

final fantasy was a raging success too though

[tardy echo]

Tmnt card design itself is really cool but it’s awful that there are like 6 versions of each turtle

lol

[sleek ferry]

Tmnt is great, the main critique you can have towards it is multiple of the same named legend and a small set

[past socket]

^

Interesting thematically of turtle in every set but not so much in practice

[trail anvil]

well the biggest critique I actually have is I hate this art but

[glad peak]

I really wish the spiderman art was better

Any art with faces in it

[trail anvil]

idk it's so centered on artifacts and ninjas which feels weird in standard

[sleek ferry]

This is fine, but do you hate all the art? The tmnt set hitting every era of the turtles in their art is kinda cool to me personally

[rigid scarab]

I will say there is absolutely zero way I can keep up with competitive paper magic with a release schedule like this

[trail anvil]

the only art I like in the set is stuff that doesn't involve turtles at all like the weather machine

I've not been into tmnt at any point in my life

[glad peak]

I don’t really like the art of anything with mutants in it tbh

[copper pecan]

i like [[frog butler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/114/frog-butler

Frog Butler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Frog Spirit
Deathtouch
: Add one mana of any color.
: This creature gains reach until end of turn.
"With faithful Alberto's assistance, this shall be a gathering of untold delight! Why would you ever wish to leave?" —Toad Baron
1/1

[stark skiff]

what a chad

[copper pecan]

great character design

love a wierd little creature

[sleek ferry]

Like I’ll put it this way, tmnt set actually felt like a love letter to the history of the IP. Spiderman felt like a bunch of filler characters added to fluff up a set

[trail anvil]

2 year rotation when

[stark skiff]

i dont give a shit about tmnt but it seems to hit the points a fan would like

and yeah Spider-Man was just fluff. None of it made sense

[trail anvil]

oh for sure. I'll admit wizards did a good tribute to this but I feel like this just didn't need to be a standard set

[rigid scarab]

I would say its 7 sets a year more than rotation but

[trail anvil]

it can be both tbh but yeah

[rigid scarab]

Like being an edh player I can opt out of whatever set I want

Being a player of any other format though

[trail anvil]

either way, way too much going on in standard. I miss having a low powered format

[glad peak]

I would love it for them to do more low powered stuff so I don’t have to keep up all the time as a modern player

The era of 1-10 cards per couple sets actually doing anything to the format is good enough

[sleek ferry]

Idet that’s a valid complaint, the top modern decks literally haven’t stopped being the top decks since mh3

Ruby Storm and e Tron have shifted up, and others have shifter down

But energy is still on top

[trail anvil]

yeah up until mh4 comes out for modern's next rotation

[rigid scarab]

But the thing is you have to pay attention and monitor every single set because everything is legal in everything now

Back then even when playing legacy you could gauge that most sets likely won’t be legacy playable

[glad peak]

Every set there’s more things that shake up the format, there’s a hell of a lot more decks than storm, tron, and energy

[sleek ferry]

You should monitor every single set anyways? Stock up is played all the way down in vintage lol

[glad peak]

Theyre the top decks but decks are so good right now that it doesn’t really matter what you play as long as it’s in the top 15 or so decks

[rigid scarab]

And now there’s 7 full core sets you have to monitor

[stark skiff]

we did it

[trail anvil]

-2

[rigid scarab]

Which is fine ig if you’re pouring majority of your hobby attention on mtg

Any less level of commitment though and it starts getting kinda cooked if you wanna play paper

[trail anvil]

I'm kinda surprised they don't do more commander only sets considering that's their cash cow

[sleek ferry]

The alternative is to release sets full of irrelevant cards like Konami does for Yugioh

[glad peak]

1-10 relevant cards every couple sets is what’s good, being able to say stock up is playable in vintage is the point

[sleek ferry]

And having sets sell for $30 a box

[trail anvil]

ig precons are kinda that but more commander masters

[rigid scarab]

Or they could just

[glad peak]

If there were so many new cards that were playable in vintage that you couldn’t name all of them then that would be the problem

[rigid scarab]

Not make every set legal for every format

[glad peak]

That’s what standard was literally made for

[rigid scarab]

Because why make those when you can make your standard sets commander sets as well?

[trail anvil]

because you can't use mechanics like goad, myriad, etc

[rigid scarab]

Well that’s what the precons are for

[trail anvil]

there are still multiplayer only mechanics that feel kinda under used tbh

I wish they'd do more viable voting stuff

[sleek ferry]

Yes, and may I remind you guys how bad it felt to play standard for sheoldred format, the entirety of war of the sparks to crimson vow

[glad peak]

That was when they increased power

[sleek ferry]

That was also when we had fewer sets, and as much as they increased the power, outside of eldraine, those other sets were fucking terrible

As much as I enjoy some of those sets

[atomic harness]

hey sheoldred format was fun

[sleek ferry]

It was not

[glad peak]

Im trying to reduce the power of cards, that era was horrible for modern too

[atomic harness]

Cut down was annoying but I had a good time

[sleek ferry]

What made that format even worse was that we had LOTR release, so we had to wait around 4+ months for a new standard set

[glad peak]

I still find it funny when boomers tell people that back in their day, people just took counterspells on the chin and didnt complain

Boomers when they realize storm and cascade were made in that specific way because they kept complaining about counterspells

[atomic harness]

split second...

[rigid scarab]

I mean you can just blame wotc scheduling for that

[atomic harness]

I miss rhinos

[rigid scarab]

I don’t think the schedule right now is the only possible alternative to avoid bad standard formats

[sleek ferry]

I mean I bring up sheoldred format , because that’s what you’re suggesting

[glad peak]

Bot deck

[rigid scarab]

Even if we assume standard will be amazing forever

[sleek ferry]

Making sets for other formats, which fucks up standard due to staleness

[atomic harness]

Sigh [[violent outburst]] was cool kid

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/arb/63/violent-outburst

Violent Outburst <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.

[atomic harness]

iykyk

[glad peak]

It is cool, it’s just that the deck was made for bots

[rigid scarab]

I mean the reality is that WOTC just plain doesn’t want to prioritise standard anymore

[glad peak]

Very clear and easy turns with no decisions to be made

[atomic harness]

what about rakdos scam

[sleek ferry]

Idk how you can say this lmao

[atomic harness]

Grief and Fury...

[sleek ferry]

WotC literally is putting all their eggs in the standard basket right now

[rigid scarab]

Like they will because they have to

Not because they want to

[sleek ferry]

All the changes made have literally been for the betterment of standard

[atomic harness]

Sigh I miss fable of the mirror breaker

Word me thugs

[glad peak]

Scam at least had a couple decisions like “do I undying evil on this layer or gamble they have removal so I pass priority”

Rhinos straight up had no decisions to be made

[sleek ferry]

Fable was a cool card

A cool, toxic card

[atomic harness]

the goblin shaman was insane

Holy

[[wedding announcement]]

[sleek ferry]

What was the 1 mana enchantment mono red ran too

[rigid scarab]

If WOTC/Hasbro had the choice they would be making everything about Commander but they unfortunately want to not nuke their reputation

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/51/wedding-announcement-wedding-festivity

Wedding Announcement <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put an invitation counter on this enchantment. If you attacked with two or more creatures this turn, draw a card. Otherwise, create a 1/1 white Human creature token. Then if this enchantment has three or more invitation counters on it, transform it.

Wedding Festivity
Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Vampires from every bloodline mingled together, all swelling with pride to be seen at the event of the century.

[sleek ferry]

That shit was crazy

[atomic harness]

I miss this also

[sleek ferry]

I’m going to miss Aven interrupter when it rotates out

[atomic harness]

oh and meathook massacre

man vow/mid was such a great time

[glad peak]

I miss hazoret the pervert

[sleek ferry]

[[last ronin’s technique]] to reset your aven interrupter makes me feel alive

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/12/the-last-ronins-technique

The Last Ronin's Technique <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Sneak (You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Create three 1/1 white Ninja Turtle Spirit creature tokens. If this spell's sneak cost was paid, they enter tapped and attacking.
They stood beside him. Whether they were figments or true spirits no longer mattered.

[atomic harness]

Bomat carrier and scrapheap scrounger

[glad peak]

That era got balance fairly decent tbh

[atomic harness]

mudkip I miss glorybringer

[[glorybringer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/215/glorybringer

Glorybringer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying, haste
You may exert this creature as it attacks. When you do, it deals 4 damage to target non-Dragon creature an opponent controls. (An exerted creature won't untap during your next untap step.)
What the initiates face in the final trial is completely at Hazoret's discretion.
4/4

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

It wasn’t back to back to back modern/legacy powerhouses/staples

[atomic harness]

this guy was so cool

[[ramunap ruins]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/311/ramunap-ruins

Ramunap Ruins

Land — Desert
: Add .
, Pay 1 life: Add .
, , Sacrifice a Desert: This land deals 2 damage to each opponent.

[rigid scarab]

Is jund sac still pioneer playable

[glad peak]

Glorybanger was cool until you remember how draft was back then

[rigid scarab]

Or is pioneer just like

A dead format now

[sleek ferry]

What is pioneer

[glad peak]

Who knows, no one experiments there anymore

[atomic harness]

Thugs do u remember that story about the guy picking a $90 tarmogoyf in draft or something

[sleek ferry]

Saint is legit the only person who even thinks about pioneer

[atomic harness]

Pioneer

[rigid scarab]

I think if there’s any format the UB standardisation killed it was probably pioneer

I mean it was already giga struggling

But the standardisation is the nail

[atomic harness]

premodern is probably more popular than pioneer

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, it was in a video by one of the Magic historians

[atomic harness]

premodern is like evil edison right

[sleek ferry]

I forgot which creator it was

Premodern is boomer central

[glad peak]

If you think that’s bad, back in amonkhet people used to sneak in a bunch of glorybringers and during card registration they just got their friends to register all their glorybringers for them

[glad peak]

Edison is boomer central as well

[sleek ferry]

Premodern players are like the people down south that still have a confederate flag hanging in their living room

[atomic harness]

Holy

[glad peak]

Premodern and Edison are the same as people in the fgc saying third strike and super turbo were the best

[atomic harness]

Very interesting...

[sleek ferry]

And melee…

[glad peak]

Neither party has ever played any of those while having that opinion

Real gamers remember that third strike was hated at the time and was one of the reasons fighting games died for so long

Super turbo was liked somewhat at least

[atomic harness]

Lmaooo @twilit canyon do you remember tht crazy titan copypasta where they were all threatening to quit if wizards hit the deck

[twilit canyon]

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[glad peak]

So there’s a guy in my playgroup who’s doing this rotation bs again

Loses in a format? Whatever, this format’s better anyways

And then he actually plays that format then hates it even more

Then so on and so forth

[rigid scarab]

Hate that

When someone’s getting shat on

So they start saying the format sucks

Like that’s en excuse for getting mogged

[atomic harness]

Mogg Fanatic...

[glad peak]

Even further, they start viewing an even more egregious format as a better format even though they’ve never played it before

[atomic harness]

did people actually like blocks btw

[twilit canyon]

eh

yes and no

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

Only when they were in a plane they liked

[atomic harness]

like mirrodin

[glad peak]

I don’t know anyone who played during mirrodin who liked mirrodin

Historically significant? Yes

Good? Hell no

[atomic harness]

what about the second go around

[glad peak]

A bit better

[atomic harness]

scars of mirrodin mirrodin besieged and new phyrexia

[glad peak]

New phyrexia was cool

[glad peak]

There’s someone else I know who only wants to play mono red so when mono red got hit in standard they kept trying to force it in every conceivable format and saying all of them sucked because mono red wasn’t the best deck

Currently only plays pauper

[rigid scarab]

Being friends with someone who forces mono red is a circle of hell

[atomic harness]

mudkip you sure know a lot of very interesting individuals

[glad peak]

Perks of being in college

[tardy echo]

And they want people to actually play standard what a concept

[atomic harness]

hi bestie we're talking about the good game for once

[glad peak]

Actually Los Angeles has such a big population that you’ll meet a lot of characters

[glad peak]

That’s what I just said

[glad peak]

He’s… not very good at the game

Most format’s mono red/rush decks requires a lot more discipline than the color theory suggests

[atomic harness]

Sigh what about burn

[glad peak]

Especially burn

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

[rigid scarab]

They just want quick easy wins

He’d love numeron

[glad peak]

I’m talking about the guy who decides to bolt face at 18 life instead of killing guide of souls or life cat

If yugioh was getting a lot of new players recently then I can easily see them going like “actually mystic mine was the best format”

[rigid scarab]

?

Tenpai

[glad peak]

Nah tenpai’s too new

[sleek ferry]

Tenpai was unironically good for the game, don’t @ me

[fallow citrus]

with an opinion like that I won't

[copper pecan]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/1sj4ugl/im_tired_boss/

[tardy echo]

Is mox opal a reference to Taylor swift? Consider @twilit canyon @sleek ferry @glad peak

[twilit canyon]

hm

[tardy echo]

• Both are white
• she talks about opals a lot
• mox could be an abbreviation of Megan fox who she is friends with

[twilit canyon]

didnt she release an album the same october that mopal came into being?

suspicious...

[knotty ferry]

Taylor Swift?

You mean Travis kelce's wife?

[tardy echo]

Travis Kelce? You mean Taylor swifts breedable omega?

[twilit canyon]

you mean the taylor swift that badly disses miss xcx?

[glad peak]

Travis Kelce’s wife talks about opals a lot?

[tardy echo]

You are da light and I will follow

[glad peak]

Who’s miss xcx

Taylor Swift doesn’t diss anyone

[knotty ferry]

Xxxtentacion?

[glad peak]

Welp time to do the rip test to see if these are legit because they’re NM condition

[copper pecan]

thinking about this card

honestly i think this might be the single worst design in all of mtg

like

why are we printing a 7 mana creature that taps for 1 mana and does nothing else

what is the intended gameplay here? what sort of deck is supposed to use this?

maybe it's just because i'm very interested in game design but this feels almost insultingly stupid

[glad peak]

Worst design and bad card are very different things

[copper pecan]

it just pisses me off

cause like

if you think about it for even a second this makes no sense

[glad peak]

Design wise it does

Back then black can make mana so having a mana ability is fine; black and blue shouldn’t have a great body so if you want to make this guy’s stats fairly big then you have to make him expensive

Therefore this

Their design philosophies also changed a bunch from color/flavor to function so there’s where you’re likely feeling the most dissonance

[copper pecan]

okay but like

what deck would ever what to use this

what is the intended gameplay

it feels like they just didn't think about that at all

[last glen]

If you build it....

[glad peak]

The intended gameplay is you get a big guy for your colors, and to do that you need to pay a lot

With the mana ability being something the guy can do

[copper pecan]

okay but what are you ramping into with this

surely they could have a big guy do anything else and it would make more sense than this

[glad peak]

The only function they had to think about is if the costs and abilities make sense with their colors

And in terms of flavor it’s a guy who does some business, so his ability is make mana

The meta usage of this card isnt really their concern

Especially for legends back in the day

Bad design would be color breaks or something that leads to problematic play patterns

[copper pecan]

there was no color pie back then

all the colors just sort of did whatever

[glad peak]

There was a color pie, the colors did different things back then, with very bad balance

[past socket]

Would make sense of Magic coming a long long way

[golden plover]

Speaking of legends, I'm so glad hellscube is legends themed now

[copper pecan]

i thought it was homelands themed

[tardy echo]

There’s a lot of really old cards that do stuff like this

I forget what it was/maybe it was a pre-alpha card but there was like a 7 mana green guy that tapped for 2 g

[golden plover]

It's any sets in that era

Just old bad cards

We're getting sick stuff like this

[tardy echo]

Old legends are in general insanely designed

[[king sulleiman]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/arn/6/king-suleiman

King Suleiman <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Noble
: Destroy target Djinn or Efreet.
"We made tempestuous winds obedient to Solomon . . . And many of the devils We also made obedient to him." —The Qur'an, 21:81
1/1

[tardy echo]

!

[golden plover]

This is probably too good actually

[tardy echo]

Quoting the Quran is the cherry on top of this card

[glad peak]

the quran UB card

[tardy echo]

GLORPIAN EMPIRE

[golden plover]

4 mana for a 3/3 with protection from artifacts might be too strong rn

[sudden lava]

purple mana for real when

[glad peak]

oh hey's it's the purple guy from night fred five fred at

[golden plover]

We're getting a lot of cool purple cards rn tho

[sudden lava]

unfortunate statline

[copper pecan]

if this was green instead of purple this would pass as an actual card from that time period

[golden plover]

That's the joke

These two are actually sick

Big fan of Ugin

[tardy echo]

That would actually be a really cool card design

[golden plover]

It feels like the perfect way to represent Ugin in Legends tbh

[tardy echo]

Weirdly it basically turns off pro colors

[golden plover]

Yeah true, but there's not a lot of that in the cube this time

[tardy echo]

Yeah just a funny thing to note

[copper pecan]

that was the whole point of the first card he was on so that makes sense

the first time ugin was mentioned was [[ghostfire]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/40/ghostfire

Ghostfire <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Ghostfire is colorless.
Ghostfire deals 3 damage to any target.
Only those gifted with the eye of Ugin, the spirit dragon, can see his fiery breath.

[tardy echo]

Is there a functional difference with that and devoid

[[drowner of hope]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/57/drowner-of-hope

Drowner of Hope <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When this creature enters, create two 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature tokens. They have "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Sacrifice an Eldrazi Scion: Tap target creature.
5/5

[tardy echo]

It’s the same thing right

[glad peak]

no but it was before devoid was a thing

[tardy echo]

I just figured they’d update the gatherer text

[glad peak]

nope since it's not literally the same

[tardy echo]

But I guess there’s no impetus when nobody has thought about playing that card in 13 years

[glad peak]

if a card says that a card loses devoid then it would not impact ghostfire at all

yes it's a pedantic difference but this game is based on pedantries

[tardy echo]

Thing that will definitely happen

[glad peak]

probably not gonna happen but it's still a meaningful difference

[tardy echo]

Anyways

I was thinking about how funny it is to compare some of the old sagas that saw play to newer ones

[glad peak]

and?

[copper pecan]

it wouldn't matter even if it did say devoid because of layers

the card would continue to be colorless

[tardy echo]

Just how badly some of them aged

[[birth of meletis]] is one that has continually stuck out to me

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/5/the-birth-of-meletis

The Birth of Meletis <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Search your library for a basic Plains card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
II — Create a 0/4 colorless Wall artifact creature token with defender.
III — You gain 2 life.

[glad peak]

damn another call out for me

i really was coping with the pioneer boros control deck, i had the greatest hits of bad cards in there

[tardy echo]

Well like I even remember this card going hard

But it’s just funny when you look at that and then compare to like [[founding the third path]] as a random example

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/50/founding-the-third-path

Founding the Third Path <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Saga
Read ahead (Choose a chapter and start with that many lore counters. Add one after your draw step. Skipped chapters don't trigger. Sacrifice after III.)
I — You may cast an instant or sorcery spell with mana value 1 or 2 from your hand without paying its mana cost.
II — Target player mills four cards.
III — Exile target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard. Copy it. You may cast the copy.

[tardy echo]

Like this wasn’t even a terribly popular card but

Generates so much more value and advantage

It sort of feels like sagas got more aggressively powercrept which is a weird card type to specifically push

But especially with neo creature sagas

[glad peak]

win con with haktos and the latest iteration had [[reconstruct history]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/222/reconstruct-history

Reconstruct History <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Return up to one target artifact card, up to one target enchantment card, up to one target instant card, up to one target sorcery card, and up to one target planeswalker card from your graveyard to your hand.
Exile Reconstruct History.

[atomic harness]

Hmm isn't birth good?

[glad peak]

it's meh

[atomic harness]

or well it was good

[glad peak]

it's pretty funny that my old deck keeps coming up when we're discussing bad cards though

[tardy echo]

It used to be good when it came out

[glad peak]

this very specific old deck

[tardy echo]

Iirc it won the standard world championship

[atomic harness]

There was this kamigawa sculptor / painter white saga guy I don't remember the name

[tardy echo]

Among other things

[atomic harness]

he was interesting

[glad peak]

remember [[solar flare]]? i ran that too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mor/108/es/chamán-fulgor-solar-(sunflare-shaman)

Chamán fulgor solar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Criatura — Chamán elemental
, : La Chamán fulgor solar hace X puntos de daño a la criatura o jugador objetivo y X puntos de daño a sí misma, donde X es el número de cartas de Elemental en tu cementerio.
Una chispa para encender un corazón goteante.
2/1

[tardy echo]

Wow bot doesn’t even remember

[glad peak]

wait huh

[[solar blaze]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/216/solar-blaze

Solar Blaze <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Each creature deals damage to itself equal to its power.
"The primary weapon is nothing more than light. It shows them what they are, and they burn of their own accord." —Aurelia

[atomic harness]

Sorry I only remember solarbeam

[glad peak]

my best memory was using gideon of the trials against a mill deck and they couldn't kill me even if they had full control

but also solar blaze in a board with haktos was gas

[subtle sierra]

[knotty ferry]

Holy fuck I just COOKED this bozo in the mirror

This guy attacked with all his dudes with a curiosity in hand while I had 3 mana up

Chained phantom interference

Blocked his bats with my guys and got 2 cards back

HOOOOOOOLY MTG IS SO FUCKING GOATED

If this is the average skill level of people at locals, I'm not dropping a game

[subtle sierra]

From my experience, ppl in locals tend to be less braindead

Although i had a guy drop revelation return my revelation to hand twice in a game he milled his two other revelations

So idk

Like sure bro you're out of wincons while i still have 4

The guy said he didn't know what i was playing when he milled the revs but like dude i had jeskai mana on board at turn 2 and dropped a consult at your end

[glad peak]

Ppl in locals are a lot more braindead at least in my area

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/4cNBjMiNN1I?si=hmsYisG3HWJYJo6j

[trail anvil]

fun times going into ranked brawl queue, searching for thoracle pact, realizing after searching pact that I built my deck wrong and then still winning anyways with 2 dead cards

[subtle sierra]

[sleek ferry]

This had me in genuine tears from laughter when I woke up https://fxtwitter.com/connerhursh/status/2043512807971344825?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Conner Hursh (@ConnerHursh)

this is what happens when you play commander

Quoting Jimmy Wong (@jfwong)
︀
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this being true, and I can admit that I have had multiple nightmares that were dispersed when I was cognizant / lucid enough to call upon the name of Jesus. The monsters or whatever was causing the nightmare got the hell out of dodge.

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FxTwitter · Apr 13, 2026, 2:13 AM

Well, festival in a box sold out

[stark skiff]

Why? It’s just MB2 again?

[sleek ferry]

Mb2 boxes are like $300 little bro

So getting them for $200 + $150 worth of promos was a good deal

[stark skiff]

I mean they’ll go down again with this shit. And no way they had $150 worth of promos

I remember when MB2 first came out it was up for months lol

[knotty ferry]

What kinds of reanimator strategies are popular in standard? I faced a couple pure black decks with Overlord of the Balemurk to mill their guys, but idk if that's actually the best way

I also feel like the way they were reborning their creatures was very slow

So I don't think it was an optimal build

[sleek ferry]

Dimir Reanimator is usually what you’re looking for

There have been other meta relevant Reanimator Strats such as Esper Reanimator which focused on reviving [[abhorrent oculus]] with [[helping hand]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/42/abhorrent-oculus

Abhorrent Oculus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eye
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile six cards from your graveyard.
Flying
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, manifest dread. (Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/17/helping-hand

Helping Hand <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
Itzmin walked away from the collapse with a new friend—and an enduring fear of heights.

[knotty ferry]

Ok I haven't seen these I don't thinn

Think

[sleek ferry]

It fell out of favor

But it’s pretty cute

[knotty ferry]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-sultai-reanimator-woe#paper

Looks like this is one of the more popular versions

Oh yeah

I've seen awaken the honored dead

So I've probably faced this

[tardy echo]

The dichotomy in reanimator is normally big and tall or small and wide

Sultai reanimates 1/2 guys that are extreme high impact and can often just win immediately

Ssm copy deceit is such a big tempo swing

[sleek ferry]

Maybe vs you

The true goat is wistfulness

[tardy echo]

Wistfulness is lowk the best evoke elemental from lorwyn

[sleek ferry]

A lot of people have upped their wistfulness count to 4

[sleek ferry]

Nah that’s vibrance, this Meta is just absolutely perfect for wistfulness to shine

[tardy echo]

Sigh everybody forgot about my guy emptiness…

[knotty ferry]

Btw I found someone local who imma play standard with this weekend

So at least I can practice it

[sleek ferry]

You forgot about my guy catharsis…

That’s great spat, are they a normal human being or not a big toucher?

[tardy echo]

It’s funny I was just trying to remember his name

[knotty ferry]

I'll find out

[copper pecan]

[[emptiness]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/222/emptiness

Emptiness <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, put three -1/-1 counters on up to one target creature.
Evoke
3/5

[copper pecan]

shit how did i forget about this

i run this in [[elas il kor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/198/elas-il-kor-sadistic-pilgrim

Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Kor Cleric
Deathtouch
Whenever another creature you control enters, you gain 1 life.
Whenever another creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life.
"All will bow to the Whispering One."
2/2

[tardy echo]

Has there been any big developments in the meta abt sos

As in like have any players made any comments ik the set isn’t out

Just wondering if there’s any snapshot for how the format might look

[trail anvil]

1000 years of izzet

[subtle sierra]

the set is just izzet glazing ngl

[tardy echo]

Wow just saw a hapatra deck in brawl she’s so cool @trail anvil

It was basically just a boat for yawgmoth but it was a cool one

[trail anvil]

fwiw she's cedh playable. pretty solid commander

[glad peak]

Imagine thinking poggy yawgy isnt cool

I don’t remember Hapatra being cedh playable for over a decade

[trail anvil]

idk I feel like I see her plenty on playing with power

but that's my exposure to cedh

[glad peak]

Cedh youtubers regularly play decks that aren’t cedh or are super fringe (as in 1 specialist plays them) for testing purposes

[trail anvil]

fair enough

either way sometimes she just pops off queen

[glad peak]

Hapatra has some stuff going for her but not enough

She has infinite self discard combo all green black decks do at least

[trail anvil]

amy Amazonian did a good brawl deck for her when lorwyn introduced a ton of cards for -1 counters

[glad peak]

[[witherbloom apprentice]] + [[chain of smog]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/247/witherbloom-apprentice

Witherbloom Apprentice <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Druid
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
"All we are—every feeling, every action—powered by a single, delicate little organ. Life is so terrifyingly, beautifully fragile."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/ons/132/chain-of-smog

Chain of Smog <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target player discards two cards. That player may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.

[glad peak]

The only card you really want to play with -1/-1 counters is yawgy daddy

A build your own necro

[tardy echo]

Yawg is a super sick deck in modern I think it’s cool in commander but less so

[glad peak]

I wish they reprinted chain of smog into standard

Maybe it’s in foundations

[past socket]

Just Yawgin’ it at the CEDH

[glad peak]

I wish

Hes such a cool guy

[fallow citrus]

something I'm really over

are people who DON'T know what their cards do deciding to play japanese prints

like sure they look cool but pleaaaaase know what your cards do

[past socket]

That is my bare minimum for people wanting to play the JP Archive cards

Know what the card does

At least have a translation handy in case you forget

[stark skiff]

lol this is why I hate the archive cards

They largely fell out of favor around me but with Secrets I know everything is gonna need a translation

[twilit canyon]

too much to ask. be ready for the judge

[knotty ferry]

HOLY shit i just got outplayed insane

my opp had aven interrupter on field

i cast some spell to get back some tempo, and this guy cast three steps ahead to copy his own aven interrupter to negate my spell

[trail anvil]

I'm only at silver cause I haven't played ranked in forever, but I feel like there are so many people in this ranked brawl queue that don't understand how the format works

even at bronze in standard you have people netdecking some meta stuff but here there are a ton of the most random commanders missing drops for multiple turns 😭

[knotty ferry]

HOLY SHIT

I'M SO CLOSE

bro

this took forever

if i see another badgermole cub i'm gonna scream

[tardy echo]

Ranked standard is still people who want to aspire to competitive play

Brawl = commander and commander = … yeah

Extreme bell curve

[twilit canyon]

barrowgoyfs been sending me all weekend bc of its hand position

[tardy echo]

[past socket]

the atag…

[subtle sierra]

i fixed it

now you can think of this

[twilit canyon]

yo hes ballin

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[past socket]

The fact someone made an atag of it still pains me

As much as Scryfall also has one for thighs

[honest berry]

Would yall consider having several cards that destroy lands, but also give the player the ability to replace that land with a basic “land denial?”

[subtle sierra]

it really depends on whether the player runs enough basics

we've had decks that focus on land destruction, even tho they sucked in standard

[honest berry]

I’m comboing this with a card that would punish searching for the basic land with damage.

Tim, I’ll destroy your dual land and let you replace it with a basic, but you’ll take 3+ damage if you do.

[trail anvil]

that sounds fine

that's why they renamed it mass land denial, as long as you're not denying mana that's the big thing

and/or colors of mana like with blood moon

[atomic harness]

Thank you kommers

[subtle sierra]

Sigh everyone is calling tidecaller bad

Guess I'm bad as well

[trail anvil]

wtf who says that

isn't it still a common sideboard card or has the meta shifted

[subtle sierra]

The new one

The mill from sos

is there an older tidecaller or smth?

[golden plover]

Oh komi is thinking of [[Tishana's Tidebinder]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/81/tishanas-tidebinder

Tishana's Tidebinder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, counter up to one target activated or triggered ability. If an ability of an artifact, creature, or planeswalker is countered this way, that permanent loses all abilities for as long as this creature remains on the battlefield. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
3/2

[subtle sierra]

yeah she's binder

[golden plover]

Funny how much better she is than her boss btw

[[Tishana, Voice of Thunder]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/291/tishana-voice-of-thunder

Tishana, Voice of Thunder <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Shaman
Tishana's power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand.
You have no maximum hand size.
When Tishana enters, draw a card for each creature you control.
*/*

[subtle sierra]

well tishana is only controlling a river, tidebinder is controlling a tsunami

[golden plover]

We love 7 mana 4/4 draw 3 on average

[subtle sierra]

so like

[golden plover]

Tishana is also the voice of thunder

She should be a bit better

[subtle sierra]

thunder is a bad move

[golden plover]

Oh Tishana is her title, not name?

[subtle sierra]

really?

[golden plover]

Apparently it's both

[subtle sierra]

sounds like a name to me

[golden plover]

She's the current Tishana

[trail anvil]

oh whoops

[golden plover]

Wait she can drown a whole pirate ship with a single word?

And she can only draw 2 cards and die?

[trail anvil]

why are you playing her in decks where you're only drawing two cards

[subtle sierra]

anyway, every single youtube review on the card just says it's shit so like fuck me ig

[trail anvil]

you can try it ig but that opus seems hard to regularly achieve I feel like

[subtle sierra]

i don't even look at the opus part

it might as well not exist

[trail anvil]

in a dedicated mill deck hitting 2 per instant/sorcery is nice

[subtle sierra]

they made it balanced and made it say mana spent

it's 3 komi

[trail anvil]

o 3

that's uh hedron crab

[subtle sierra]

hedron is 2

uh wait no

[trail anvil]

whatever oomfie

[subtle sierra]

his toughness is 2

sorry i'm in a foul mood

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't think she's terrible

[trail anvil]

point is it's time to run dedicated mill

if you're running a mill deck it's nice

[golden plover]

But dedicated mill is rough and I dunno what cheap cards you'd use

[subtle sierra]

there's plenty izzet shit tbh

[trail anvil]

in other formats thought scour

[golden plover]

Will she trigger in response to a singularity rupture before it kills her?

[subtle sierra]

yes

[golden plover]

Yeah it's a cast trigger

So that's something at least

[subtle sierra]

imo it's better to like

not focus on the mill aspect at all

and have her as a small threat

that just compounds

[golden plover]

The issue with mill though is that it doesn't attack on the standard axis

[trail anvil]

what is she threatening if not mill

[subtle sierra]

be like hi i need to resolve like 13 times for you to lose, here's 3 removals

[golden plover]

If you're not focusing on it, it's not impacting the game

[subtle sierra]

well not focus as in, not having other mill cards, just spellslinging is enough imo

[golden plover]

I mean, the way you should look at it is that most of the time, cards milled weren't gonna be played that game anyways

You're not gonna draw all 60 of your cards in a given match outside of exceptions

Although... I can see her being another wincon for Excruciatiator

[trail anvil]

idk about that when the land is reliable enough and isn't a brick