#Magic the Gathering
stark skiff
sleek ferry
Good removal for limited
stark skiff
Sup with all the students dying lol
sleek ferry
3 life is a lot
tardy echo
Sup with all the students dying lol
Accurate representation of college in the U.S.
glad peak
College? Nah that’s high school ||plz don’t hurt me|| 
glad peak
Damn they really didn’t want pox to be good
zinc shard
You've heard of smallpox, but how about bigpox?
(I would say [[Largepox]] but that's already a card)
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glad peak
Round down 
stark skiff
Math
sleek ferry
Renren
gilded glade
!fair
sleek ferry
Probably didn't want to add another kill with what's his name
subtle sierra
bloodletter?
tardy echo
I just don’t think they want a 5 mana spell that says your opponent automatically dies
With bloodletter
Ppl already get pretty salty about bloodletter + the 3 drop
sleek ferry
bloodletter?
Yes. We already have enough kills with bloodletter, they probably didn’t want to add another one
Also yes, we all know bloodletter sucks
But it’s one of those cards that make players salty
glad peak
Tbh I think it’s fine since, as you said, we already have enough kills with bloodletter and this card isnt good enough to pump him up
knotty ferry
As part of the lore of the game, each player is meant to be a planeswalker, which has been a part of the lore and marketing since the Alpha rule book.[1]
wait
so are we planeswalkers or wizards?
or both?
copper pecan
what kind of college has detention
copper pecan
so are we planeswalkers or wizards?
planeswalkers are usually wizards
you are a planeswalker so you are some sort of spellcaster
knotty ferry
am i a planeswalker
copper pecan
yes
sleek ferry
I never said a lie
glad peak
so technically you are a planeswalker but for some reason cards that impact the planeswalker type don't do shit to you
also for some time the wanderer was said to be a representation of the player (yes i'm a white asian lady with a dynasty in neo japan, how did you know)
tardy echo
so technically you are a planeswalker but for some reason cards that impact the ...
We’re a stronger planeswalker than them gg
But I mean what was the original rule
All cards that said target player could target planeswalkers originally right
Or something weird like that
knotty ferry
🕵️
glad peak
not really
tardy echo
There’s some weird thing with gatherer text and old cards that targeted players/pws
glad peak
so the original rule was something more like "i bolt targetting you, and on resolution redirect the damage to your planeswalker"
subtle sierra
All cards that said target player could target planeswalkers originally right
cards that said target creature or player now say any target
glad peak
it was this before:
306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead. This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied.
knotty ferry
wow i didnt realize burst lightning was that old
tardy echo
cards that said target creature or player now say any target
There u go
tardy echo
it was this before:
> 306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a...
And this was the other one
twilit canyon
wow i didnt realize burst lightning was that old
one of the proposed bolt solutions since printing bolt into standard centralized the format around it lol
copper pecan
yeah bolt is really format warping
copper pecan
yeah
copper pecan
it's format warping to the point that it was deliberately excluded from historic and a big part of the impetus for making pioneer was to have a non-rotating format without bolt in it
glad peak
i don't remember the reasoning for pioneer being bolt but yeah bolt is great
twilit canyon
funnily enough... we now have chain lightning in historic. i feel like bolt is a p easy include nowdays
subtle sierra
also now 1 cost instants do 2, or 3 with a downside, or a sorceries, and cannot hit face
at least in standard
lmao like i remember using [[strangle]] and thinking it was good
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subtle sierra
now we got another strangle
copper pecan
alchemy used to have [[shove aside]] which was very good
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twilit canyon
having a 1 mana deal 3 is good tho this being sorcery kinda sucks for a control list
subtle sierra
question, just one mana "damage can't be prevented", is it good or not?
subtle sierra
having a 1 mana deal 3 is good tho this being sorcery kinda sucks for a control ...
it fuels the new stock up so i'm ok with it
copper pecan
question, just one mana "damage can't be prevented", is it good or not?
damage prevention isn't relevant most of the time
twilit canyon
damage cant be prevented def too niche
copper pecan
in commander it can sometimes be relevent since the one ring is around and also [[teferi's protection]] is pretty commonly played
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glad peak
1 mana damage cant be prevented was played in very very old pauper lists but that card also had flashback
copper pecan
[[questing beast]] has an anti-prevention effect among its many, many effects
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copper pecan
and people constantly forget about it because of how rarely it ever comes up
fallow citrus
that brain freeze up there is gorgeous
glad peak
Lightning bolt by Mike burns
glad peak
wait there are FURBY cards? <:ICANT:922503228241895464>
There’s The Office cards
twilit canyon
secret lairs are genuinely a great idea to monetize alt arts
knotty ferry
oh i see
now
some of these cards are just like
weirdly named alternate versions
subtle sierra
yeah they like doing that
twilit canyon
yeah
subtle sierra
gameplay wise they have the old name
subtle sierra
they want their magic "pure"
like i can see the appeal of it being pure and not having something like spongebob being the meta deck in a format
but i think splashes of it is fine
everything in moderation, so to speak
glad peak
Eh people didnt like outlaws either for the same reason of tonal dissonance and that’s a main line magic set
subtle sierra
we've had vivi meta for a while, but i don't really hate ff for it
knotty ferry
like i can see the appeal of it being pure and not having something like spongeb...
SPONGEBOB BEINGA META DECK WOULD BE FKIN SICK
subtle sierra
bro has not seen the sponge counterspell
twilit canyon
Eh people didnt like outlaws either for the same reason of tonal dissonance and ...
the main takeaway is that if something is cool, most magic players do not like it
knotty ferry
bro has not seen the sponge counterspell
this is sick
lol
they actually played into the meme
subtle sierra
yeah i like it too
sleek ferry
God some pick ups
twilit canyon
a lack of whimsey in their lives
subtle sierra
the sponge lair was just memes
sleek ferry
HOW CAN YOU HATE THIS
Tcg players are very territorial of the inners hobbies
twilit canyon
random foil tangled florahedron??
knotty ferry
God some pick ups
i hate riverchurn mon8ument
sleek ferry
random foil tangled florahedron??
Yeah it’s sick
knotty ferry
that sthat cringe bo1 mill card
subtle sierra
hides my sideboard
sleek ferry
If you don’t like tangled florahedron, you don’t like magic the gathering
subtle sierra
i like how i found one churn in trash and pulled another from promo packs last locals
i like florahedron
i miss those two sided lands
i want jwari disruption back
give it to me
glad peak
Magic players not realizing the second set in the game was a universes beyond set
sleek ferry
The aetherspark being a $20 mythic still is so funny to me
But ig conceptually the card is cool
subtle sierra
Magic players not realizing the second set in the game was a universes beyond se...
huh?
it was?
glad peak
Early magic in general had Bible cards, Shakespeare cards, and so on
glad peak
Universes beyond
knotty ferry
holy KAWAII
sleek ferry
That was in the festival in a box last year
Bunch of chibi legendaries
Ah it was 2024
glad peak
I found a couple counterfeit ff surge foils
Damn the quality is good, I wish they would make these foils instead of wotc
knotty ferry
some of these art styles are so cool
glad peak
Oh yeah krark
zinc shard
man i wish [[Zell Dincht]] was better, made a Brawl deck and it's fun, but Red doesnt have enough ways to get lands
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knotty ferry
ok so
are these secret lair cards (besides the basic lands obv) playable in any format
holy fuck theres a Jinx duress
i need this
sleek ferry
a lot of them are playable in modern yeah
you don't want to reach too far back, or you end up with the degens in legacy
knotty ferry
the more i learn about commander the more of a meme it sounds
glad peak
I don’t remember what UBs are really played in modern but I don’t remember all the UB cards
sleek ferry
You should subtract the land cost, since lands are trans
glad peak
If you want to build money piles like blink then it’s your own fault, the format has tons of decks around standard’s price
sleek ferry
Ruby Storm is a fun deck
glad peak
Yep and Ruby storm’s cheap for standard and top tier
twilit canyon
once you get a land base, the price of decks decreases significantly
knotty ferry
Eldrazi Tron? Isn't this the grandlamb deck?
glad peak
If you played izzet prowess in standard over the past 2-3 years you have all the expensive stuff for modern prowess
twilit canyon
yep
glad peak
Yes?
knotty ferry
thats so fucking sick why cant we have that
twilit canyon
mdfc
knotty ferry
that would make the game so much better lol
would solv ethe issue of drawing too many or too few lands
glad peak
Or if they do, they have a restriction and always worse than regular cards
twilit canyon
yeah
glad peak
See how there’s no untapped dual mdfcs
twilit canyon
like always entering tapped
or, having a total dogshit creature that no one should play as the face
knotty ferry
thats fine
glad peak
Belcher’s a pretty good deck
glad peak
Entering tapped is a huge drawback
knotty ferry
[[emrakul the promised end]]
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
This spell costs 
less to cast for each card type among cards in your graveyard.
When you cast this spell, you gain control of target opponent during that player's next turn. After that turn, that player takes an extra turn.
Flying, trample, protection from instants
An enigma as vexing as life itself.
13/13
knotty ferry
is this real
twilit canyon
and we get a lot of them that are very good bc of their utility
twilit canyon
but entering tapped is huge in a format like modern
glad peak
Emrakul is real and kinda bad
glad peak
It’s the best top end for sure but eh
twilit canyon
[[mindslaver]] sees play in current historic tho
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Legendary Artifact
, 
, Sacrifice Mindslaver: You control target player during that player's next turn. (You see all cards that player could see and make all decisions for them.)
It's a helm that leaves the head at its most vulnerable.
twilit canyon
thank you karn
knotty ferry
me when i control my opponent and bend hteir foils
glad peak
That’s not how controlling works
tardy echo
that would make the game so much better lol
A very very high number of mdfcs are incredibly strong
twilit canyon
anytime someone uses an effect like that i let them tell me what to do
knotty ferry
hell no
twilit canyon
i dont like ppl touching my cards very often
knotty ferry
get out of your chair bro
glad peak
Speaking of emrakul, how do you feel about the broodscale vs prowess matchup
golden plover
I'm p sure it's against the rules to touch your opponents cards when you control them
twilit canyon
Speaking of emrakul, how do you feel about the broodscale vs prowess matchup
broodscale is a funny little deck thats all i feel about it
golden plover
Like iirc the correct tournament ruling is that they reveal their hand and you tell them what game actions to take
glad peak
It feels like prowess just 100-0s if they mulligan for slickshot
golden plover
This doesn't matter because mindslavaer and Emrakul don't see play in any real paper format
But I think that's the ruling
glad peak
Emrakul sees good play in modern
twilit canyon
im ngl, ik cori-steel cutter is good
but i feel like cutting it at times
give me slickshot 5-8 instead
golden plover
im controlling my opponent 🙂
Also you can't tell them to do anything like concede or whatever
tardy echo
Also you can't tell them to do anything like concede or whatever
Imagine
golden plover
You can make them waste all their cards, tap all their lands, and block/sacc all their guys if possible
But you can't make them concede
twilit canyon
this card is hot garbage i cant believe it got banned and nerfed anywhere
and then suddenly the card is unbeatable
stark skiff
bro has not seen the sponge counterspell
Kids these days
tardy echo
If they have a card that lets them pay however much life
golden plover
Imagine
I mean theoretically if you're controlling them to ruin all their shit, you kinda do just win the game
tardy echo
U can have them pay all their life and immediately die
glad peak
My favorite play still is murktide for 5 then attach csc to it
golden plover
Yeah you can do that kinda stuff
tardy echo
I mean theoretically if you're controlling them to ruin all their shit, you kind...
I’ve seen gamestates where emrakul resolves and they still lose
golden plover
You can hit them with all their burn spells or whatever
tardy echo
Some decks are much harder to self sabotage then others
golden plover
I mean yeah, if all you've got is counters or whatever in hand an Emrakul turn won't do shit
Emrakul was in one of the arena cubes at one point and it was funny watching the opponent look at your hand on boros aggro and scoop
glad peak
Birthing ritual has gotta be a cope deck too only playable because people insist on playing fair decks
glad peak
Except for titan, as they die to ritual because they run 8-12 anti-titan cards main
golden plover
Also if Spatula thinks bad Emrakul is cool, wait until he sees the ultimate Timmy trap
[[Platinum Angel]]
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glad peak
Hm
golden plover
Huh, a lot of new players freak out about Angel
glad peak
How do you feel about [[abyssal persecutor]]
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knotty ferry
Bro I'm new but I can tell when a card is like complete dogshit
I mean it does nothing for 7 mana
If u think about it, if you want a card to stall, you'd rather just play lower cost cards that stop your opponent
Which is what most decks do
glad peak
But you can get platinum angel out on turn 3
knotty ferry
https://scryfall.com/card/ima/78/abyssal-persecutor
Yeah maybe there's some way to turbo i
Ir
It
Still troll
glad peak
So what’s the verdict on persecutor
twilit canyon
what is the ultimate litmus test card for magic players
sleek ferry
You think I didn't teach my student well? Spatula has gone through trial by fire with me
glad peak
Krenko, mob boss
twilit canyon
mmmm
golden plover
Hmm
stark skiff
You think I didn't teach my student well? Spatula has gone through trial by fire...
Dude hates MLP SLD. Dude has no idea about anything
golden plover
I feel like Platinum Angel is definitely a litmus test card
sleek ferry
what is the ultimate litmus test card for magic players
Determining whether a 3 cmc or 4 cmc card is just good enough, or complete dog shit for standard
since the line is pretty close
tardy echo
Actual litmus test
golden plover
I think asking which of the praetors from both cycles is a good one
twilit canyon
fetchlands is a good one
tardy echo
@knotty ferry is this card good? Why?
glad peak
For context, food is an artifact token that has sac and pay 2 mana: gain 3 life
twilit canyon
there are food stuff in standard
glad peak
I know, I just remember when this got revealed the only thing people were saying was “wtf is food” and “card’s only good if food is good”
twilit canyon
we didnt know what food was back then
sleek ferry
The enduring cycle is a good one also
twilit canyon
with context, we could have figured it out i think
glad peak
I thought it was leaked earlier
tardy echo
Alternate universe where instead of oko we got an innistrad planeswalker who investigated instead and was completely identical
tardy echo
with context, we could have figured it out i think
Even with food revealed people thought this card was bad
glad peak
Leaks were a lot less frequent
twilit canyon
there was certainly a rift
stark skiff
<@262101290799202307> is this card good? Why?
Planeswalkers are garbo so I’ll go with garbo
tardy echo
Alternate universe where instead of oko we got an innistrad planeswalker who inv...
Even more alternate universe where we got some random planeswalker who made treasure tokens instead
twilit canyon
i thought it was bad at first until a few good players at my lgs then walked me through the card
but fwiw i had been playing magic at the time for like
4 months
glad peak
Commander is weird, it’s the format where planeswalkers are the weakest but people fear them the most
twilit canyon
maybe 5
sleek ferry
who is people
twilit canyon
c*mmander players
tardy echo
Do u want me to go back to when this card was revealed
The reception to oko was not as good as you think it was
I promise u that
sleek ferry
the only planeswalker I fear in commander is the good vivien, because she searches the funniest win cons
glad peak
When this was revealed a lot of people thought it was trash yep
twilit canyon
no ik im agreeing with u tho i do know there was a fair share of ppl who identified it as being kinda strong
tardy echo
Oh the c**** comment
I was responding to thugs
Anyways some pws are v scary in commander even if it’s a bad type just because it can be very easy to politic about them and then get a sneaky ult
sleek ferry
The only commander players afraid of planeswalkers are that girl and whoever she plays with that said they consistently go up to turn 11-12 in commander
twilit canyon
nah the casual crowds i run into hate them
sleek ferry
the story I said about the girl at my locals
twilit canyon
they think the walker will take over the game every time
knotty ferry
<@262101290799202307> is this card good? Why?
Seems good, 3 mana is not very expensive and all of the effects seem decent
sleek ferry
that plays mono red in commander
golden plover
I think a lot of the reason Oko slipped through was the same reason it did in playtesting
tardy echo
Seems good, 3 mana is not very expensive and all of the effects seem decent
What if I told you this was one of the best cards ever printed and banned in every non vintage 60 card format for power level
glad peak
Seems good, 3 mana is not very expensive and all of the effects seem decent
So oko’s just mid?
golden plover
People didn't consider targeting the opponent's shit
knotty ferry
I mean this oko Planeswalker guy would still depend on the power of cards around it obv
twilit canyon
mfers never played beast within and it shows
knotty ferry
What if I told you this was one of the best cards ever printed and banned in eve...
I wouldn't think anything of it since I've never played any of those formats
glad peak
Nah, oko is busted regardless of the cards around it
tardy echo
Oko is just broken
twilit canyon
oko could slot into any and all formats and be the best card in it or top 3
glad peak
Hes also a self starting engine
twilit canyon
oko is the best control wincon? ever?
knotty ferry
Can you turn your food token into an elk?
twilit canyon
yes
glad peak
Yep
knotty ferry
Ah I see
twilit canyon
but you can also elk a dangerous creature or thing an opp controls
glad peak
That was what playtesters did mostly
golden plover
Wasn't legacy burn splashing blue/green just for Oko at the time?
tardy echo
You can turn your black lotus into an elk and kill your opponent with it
knotty ferry
But yeah, I mean, it stuns your opponents threats basically
twilit canyon
and oko will also survive their own elks
knotty ferry
Which is really good
golden plover
You know a card is fucked when legacy burn was splashing colors to play it
twilit canyon
Wasn't legacy burn splashing blue/green just for Oko at the time?
no that was just me and some friend groups of good burn players
glad peak
Wasn't legacy burn splashing blue/green just for Oko at the time?
Not just legacy, modern
knotty ferry
And gains health by doing so
twilit canyon
modern
knotty ferry
So it kinda protects itself
twilit canyon
legacy
golden plover
Iirc the same thing happened with Lurrus
sleek ferry
alright, what do you think of a card currently legal in this format then spat [[enduring courage]]
tardy echo
So a +2 that’s actually strong like that is v crazy
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twilit canyon
probably a bit too strong
golden plover
Burn went to Boros to get Lurrus in the list
knotty ferry
alright, what do you think of a card currently legal in this format then spat [[...
In which format
glad peak
Lurrus doesn’t need splashing with burn
tardy echo
Would be banned in modern I think but not legacy
sleek ferry
current standard
twilit canyon
Burn went to Boros to get Lurrus in the list
burn in modern has always been boros
glad peak
Burn was always boros before
knotty ferry
current standard
Doesn't seem that good
tardy echo
Oko into instant elk gets removed by a plethora of burn
knotty ferry
4 mana?
golden plover
Oh reminder they internationally did some other stupid shit with Oko
twilit canyon
oko comes in, -1s and gets to 3 loyalty, dies to burn...
golden plover
[[Fry]] was the red kill of choice in standard
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knotty ferry
If ur playing an aggro deck ur essentially stunning yourself for a turn to accelerate subsequent turns. I don't see the point
twilit canyon
yeah this is a good card but limited
tardy echo
It’s throne they intentionally did stupid shit with every card in the set
twilit canyon
true!
golden plover
Oko intentionally upticked to 6 to not die to Fry
twilit canyon
we are still seeing the fallout of throne to this day ngl
golden plover
No fucking clue what they were thinking there
knotty ferry
If I'm playing a deck that spams creatures and wants haste to kill, I would use my mana to support that gameplan
Remove my opps shit or summon guys
tardy echo
What were they thinking when they gave questing beast 4 different effects
sleek ferry
what about in more midrangey/tempo decks, like say boros dragons?
knotty ferry
Am I wrong? Is that enduring card good?
glad peak
Now, what do you think about this card:
[[phlage, titan]]
Given that lightning helix exists
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Legendary Creature — Elder Giant
When Phlage enters, sacrifice it unless it escaped.
Whenever Phlage enters or attacks, it deals 3 damage to any target and you gain 3 life.
Escape—
, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
6/6
tardy echo
What were they thinking when they printed a 5 mana draw 5 double landfall
twilit canyon
questing beast has 6 different effects actually
golden plover
The real what were they thinking was Once Upon a Time
twilit canyon
2 for each head
tardy echo
What were they thinking when they printed fires of invention
golden plover
And Fires actually
twilit canyon
fuck
tardy echo
They weren’t! That’s the answer for every question in throne
golden plover
Yeah what the fuck were they thinking with Fires
knotty ferry
what about in more midrangey/tempo decks, like say boros dragons?
It's possible it could be better in those decks
twilit canyon
is the website that adds effect onto qb still up
knotty ferry
But idk
tardy echo
is the website that adds effect onto qb still up
There can’t be any more effects to add
golden plover
I remember there was a cute Jeskai midrange tier 2 deck in standard before fires
Fires made our game plan so clean
tardy echo
They should’ve started adding questing beast effects to askurza.com
knotty ferry
It still seems mid
golden plover
Everyone was going "Oh this shit is crazy, fires makes the deck tier 1 now"
tardy echo
Actually spat speaking of
golden plover
And then Oko and Once Upon a Time happened
glad peak
It still seems mid
What do you think about phlage
knotty ferry
Like if I'm playing a midrange deck, I'd rather use my mana to gain tempo with some cheap spells
tardy echo
How do you feel about this card
twilit canyon
And then Oko and Once Upon a Time happened
once they left, fires then took its turn being broken
knotty ferry
Or advantage
golden plover
once they left, fires then took its turn being broken
Yeah but by that point that specific list was bad
knotty ferry
How do you feel about this card
Impossible to say without seeing the entire spell pool
golden plover
It's just funny that the list was 100% primed to become best deck if they had actually ever playtested Oko
tardy echo
It’s pretty possible to say with any spell pool personally idk
knotty ferry
Ok then say it bro why are you asking me
golden plover
Yeah I think Fires is pretty clear cut imo
tardy echo
Because we’re asking you to evaluate cards son
golden plover
Ohh do [[Underworld Breach]] next
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tardy echo
Get with the times
subtle sierra
wasn't fires of invention banned?
twilit canyon
in pioneer iirc?
subtle sierra
or am i thinking of smth else
knotty ferry
Only way I can see this be good is if u have a land turbo deck to cast some 5 mana bombs
tardy echo
It was played in decks where u could either remove it pretty easily and ignore the downsides
tardy echo
It was banned in standard too
knotty ferry
Oh you can remove it
glad peak
Damn, nothing’s being said about [[phlage, titan of fire’s fury]] 
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Legendary Creature — Elder Giant
When Phlage enters, sacrifice it unless it escaped.
Whenever Phlage enters or attacks, it deals 3 damage to any target and you gain 3 life.
Escape—, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
6/6
tardy echo
It was played in decks where u could either remove it pretty easily and ignore t...
Or in decks where u had your whole hand out the turn it dropped
golden plover
It just needed all the more broken shit to go first
twilit canyon
i remember a classic play of yorion -> bounce your own fires after spending a free spell, and then casting even more shit
tardy echo
Curve into fires play 2 3/4 drops win the game
golden plover
Fires also lead to the agent of treachery loops
tardy echo
i remember a classic play of yorion -> bounce your own fires after spending a fr...
This was the lit shit though
twilit canyon
fucked up
knotty ferry
Damn, nothing’s being said about [[phlage, titan of fire’s fury]] <:nukgar:12320...
Seems good
golden plover
Yorion, Thassa, Agent, and Fires was a CRAZY core
"Sorry I just own all your permanents now"
twilit canyon
fucked up free spell -> yorion bounce
fucked up regular spells -> end step you get more free spells later
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knotty ferry
That's why I said I need to know the entire spell pool
Who do you think I am, cimo?
golden plover
Agent of Treachery was a silly fucking card at the time too
Just casually stealing all their lands
twilit canyon
god haktos was so cool
knotty ferry
What do you think about [[haktos]]?
Looks good
glad peak
twilit canyon
i wish it did like one more thing
knotty ferry
Is it abd?
sleek ferry
Who do you think I am, cimo?
Nah, Cimo is better looking
golden plover
Wasn't Haktos like $35 presale
twilit canyon
it was kind of unplayable
glad peak
I played it in pioneer as a cope
golden plover
Like people were thinking Haktos was gonna be format defining
glad peak
It was fun with board wipes
past socket
Hell yeah theft!
twilit canyon
i think if u printed him like 6 years prior to his release, he'd likely have been a card ppl hated
twilit canyon
but by then, magic was shifting
twilit canyon
you cant
golden plover
Iirc people were really into boros before Theros came out
glad peak
Protection means you can’t block
twilit canyon
unless you have a creature of the specific mana value he picks at etb
golden plover
Might've been that they wanted a break from Simic
knotty ferry
I thought protection is like hexproof
golden plover
Because that was the year of FUCKED UP Simic
twilit canyon
card can genuinely get out of hand
knotty ferry
Menace is can't block except for 2
twilit canyon
no protection is way more powerful
knotty ferry
Y'all just making up keywords
golden plover
Oh right, what do you think of [[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath]]
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Legendary Creature — Elder Giant
When Uro enters, sacrifice it unless it escaped.
Whenever Uro enters or attacks, you gain 3 life and draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Escape—
, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
6/6
knotty ferry
Is protection also hexproof?
If I roll 2 can I not be popped by bitter triumph
Sorry I mean
3
Or 4
twilit canyon
hexproof came about as a more balanced protection
glad peak
Protection is also hexproof
golden plover
If you rolled a 2 they can bitter triumph him
twilit canyon
and then ward came about as a more balanced hexproof
knotty ferry
Oh right, what do you think of [[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath]]
Seems very good? 3 mana to draw 1 and place an extra land?
golden plover
But if you rolled a 3 or 4 they can't touch it
Uro was disgustingly good yeah
Dude is banned in like 3 formats for good reason
twilit canyon
haktos was a victim of circumstances
glad peak
I remember playing Haktos with solar flare and anger of the gods
knotty ferry
For like a green (derogatory) deck, that seems really good to get your big guys out faster
twilit canyon
card could have genuinely been goated
glad peak
Sick ass deck
tardy echo
[[Omnath locus of creation]] was his best friend
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Legendary Creature — Elemental
When Omnath enters, draw a card.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you gain 4 life if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. If it's the second time, add . If it's the third time, Omnath deals 4 damage to each opponent and each planeswalker you don't control.
4/4
knotty ferry
I saw the chibi version of him
Bro I wanna play a deck with a chibi
They're so cute
golden plover
I remember really wanting to like Theros Boros with [[Outlaws Merriment]]
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knotty ferry
UNIVERSES BEYOND AND SECRET LAIR ARE SO FKIN GOATED
twilit canyon
make the discard deck players suffer a little
glad peak
Oh speaking of, how do you evaluate [[assemble the legion]]
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glad peak
knotty ferry
When I go to mtg locals, I'm filtering people based on their opinion of universes beyond and secret lair
knotty ferry
Oh speaking of, how do you evaluate [[assemble the legion]]
Bro thinks I'm gonna put mustard on my cards 
twilit canyon
equipments: equipped
lands: nuked
legion: assembled
yep, its boros time
tardy echo
they should reprint orvar every once in a while
That would require wotc to acknowledge he exists
sleek ferry
I wonder what spat thinks of future sight cards
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
[[aven mindcensor]]
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glad peak
knotty ferry
Is assemble the legion good
sleek ferry
[[lumithread field]]
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Enchantment
Creatures you control get +0/+1.
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for 
. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
Having conquered the Bastion of Suns, the Ota took its light for their own.
knotty ferry
No idea what mustard counter is
twilit canyon
it has that unique card type
sleek ferry
there we go
glad peak
[[bitter ordeal]]
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knotty ferry
Looks okay
knotty ferry
I don't have a strong opinion on it
twilit canyon
not know u can search for the future sight border
sleek ferry
nope
twilit canyon
[[aven mindcensor|fut]]
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glad peak
No idea what mustard counter is
Just a counter to let you know how many 1/1s to make
sleek ferry
I don't have a strong opinion on it
so ass, got it
twilit canyon
[[!aven mindcensor|fut]]
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sleek ferry
I'm also not that fond of it, but old mtg players love it
twilit canyon
people still go ballistic for future sight goyfs
sleek ferry
FnB must have gotten a lot of inspiration from the future sight border also, since that's basically what their cards look like
knotty ferry
No way there's a card called goy
sleek ferry
the only future sight border I really want is top
knotty ferry
That has to be a meme
twilit canyon
i see a damaged goyf for 100$
knotty ferry
Ur lying
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sleek ferry
goyf is one of the most impactful cards in the history of this game
knotty ferry
why
twilit canyon
it was for the longest time
twilit canyon
the strongest blue creature of all time
knotty ferry
or is it instant sorcery
glad peak
Oh yeah goyf
sleek ferry
People used to purposelly fuck up their PT drafts to just draft one because they were worth so much money
glad peak
Best blue creature ever
twilit canyon
it has a cap in power
knotty ferry
idk, badgermole cub is a legal card, so this is nothing to me
twilit canyon
nowdays thats not true
goyf never got banned it was just bar for bar the best creature in terms of rate
sleek ferry
can you [[shock]] a goyf spat?
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knotty ferry
can you [[shock]] a goyf spat?
no
sleek ferry
why not
knotty ferry
because if you could, you wouldnt ask me that question
i know your tricks, dario miguenez
twilit canyon
trick question shock does kill it
golden plover
Technically you can ||if that's the only card in a graveyard lol||
twilit canyon
unless there is a non-instant card types in the grave
sleek ferry
Man fell for the reverse goyf trick
twilit canyon
but this is just a lesson in what actually kills things in magic
knotty ferry
https://scryfall.com/card/spm/88/shock
wait is that iron man?
glad peak
Wait have you not seen iron man?
knotty ferry
which state has the most confirmed creature kills? florida?
sleek ferry
they haven't invented TV's where spatula is from
knotty ferry
ok wait, explain why it kills
sleek ferry
no, he is not from europe
twilit canyon
a 0/1 goyf is dealt 2 damage
knotty ferry
Wait have you not seen iron man?
i have
twilit canyon
when shock resolves, goyf becomes a 1/2
twilit canyon
yeah
glad peak
Dunno, California has the most board wipes
twilit canyon
goyf will see things in the grave
twilit canyon
because state based actions is what determines if a creature is alive or not
twilit canyon
so if a goyf, which is sitting pretty
at 2/3
and is hit with a lightning bolt
and there is no instant in a grave
what happens is
it takes 3 damage, goes to 0 toughness, bolt goes to grave, and you are left with a 3/4
with 3 damage
knotty ferry
it goes to 2/0 then the thing goes to gy then it becomes 3/1?
sleek ferry
damn, california has too many death traps, I would have been a gangbanger too if I lived there, hope somebody gets me, before nature gets me
twilit canyon
this is not unique to goyf btw and does come up
knotty ferry
ok but wait
twilit canyon
but thats 2 cards for 1 creature
knotty ferry
Yeah
twilit canyon
its state based actions
twilit canyon
and the game state after spells resolve looks to see if there are any creatures with 0 toughness
and if there are, they go to the grave
thats how goyf (and some other creatures) can escape death through damage
take for example a creature that grows per life left like [[death's shadow]]
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twilit canyon
if you use it as a 1/1 to block a 2/2 while your opponent hits you with a 4/4, death's shadow will survive
knotty ferry
i see...
twilit canyon
how the game state views this: attackers are declared -> blockers are declared -> damage is calculated -> game checks any creatures with toughness 0? your life total will be 4 lower, death's shadow will have take 2 damage, and because of the life lowered, it gains 4 more power
making it a 5/5 with 2 damage
fun tricky ways to get things to happen to keep your creatures alive if you ever play with any creatures that manipulate their p/t on the spot without triggers
man speaking of goys... i wanna play a full match on arena with my goyfs
the qualifier is this weekend and its historic and i cant practice the jund goyf list bc ppl keep conceding too early
knotty ferry
stark skiff
I'm also not that fond of it, but old mtg players love it
future sight cards are trash
stark skiff
damn, california has too many death traps, I would have been a gangbanger too if...
not too late to join
sleek ferry
If I knew I could have had a lawyer like you, I would have continued my gangbanging days Adam
glad peak
knotty ferry
Holy shit a bunch of cards just came in the mail
I can't believe the little rectangles in Arena are real
sleek ferry
There’s really no better feeling than when you first get into a new tcg
I remember when I first got into Yugioh
knotty ferry
I just came
sudden lava
stark skiff
I remember when I first got into Yugioh
2004?
knotty ferry
1972
knotty ferry
So 1972
sleek ferry
2002
knotty ferry
Pretty close
stark skiff
oh the anime came out earlier than i thought
i remember buying the original yugi/kaiba decks
sleek ferry
Yeah same
I also remember my brothers trying to get me into collecting pokemon and me being uninterested
Think about how rich I could be right now
With my 100+ shadowless charizards
stark skiff
Think about how rich I could be right now
lol i used to collect the og cards. no idea what happened to them sadly
also all the pokemon cartridges from every gen that would be worth money now
stark skiff
Holy shit a bunch of cards just came in the mail
thanks for reminding me i gotta show my pickups too
stark skiff
Finally was able to pick this up. @atomic harness @sleek ferry
sleek ferry
Looks a bit too shiny from that angle
Did you at least get a good price on it?
I would probably consider it for like $500-600
sleek ferry
Yeah that looks sick
stark skiff
Did you at least get a good price on it?
Nah. This shit is hard af to find.
I just had to tcg it.
sleek ferry
Magic con would have been your best bet tbh
Normal vending places don’t do high end mtg
Which is a shame
stark skiff
Probably, but I didn’t wanna pay hotel, gas, and ticket just to haggle this shit
Was debating going but nah fuck that.
stark skiff
Normal vending places don’t do high end mtg
Luckily there’s a decent amount of stores around LA that have high end MtG.
But yea there’s always that situation where just none of them have one like this Llanowar.
lost dust
knotty ferry
kawaii!
subtle sierra
Half the japanese soa have a girl on it, so it's right his alley
knotty ferry
you need to get your bff sleepy into magic...
subtle sierra
Look this girl destroys artifacts, don't ask how
sleek ferry
She destroyed the artifact known as Sleepy’s innocence
past socket
More cards for cards with women on them kindred /j
stark skiff
have you seen what that guy posts?
No but seems like a nice fellow
stark skiff
Holy hell @sleek ferry have you seen that Command Zone upgrade vid for Lorehold? Even @knotty ferry coulda come up with something better.
knotty ferry
Holy hell <@304354673647812608> have you seen that Command Zone upgrade vid for ...
wdym even???
wtf is lorehold
stark skiff
Proves my point ^
sleek ferry
Holy hell <@304354673647812608> have you seen that Command Zone upgrade vid for ...
No, but I assume if it sucked, either Jimmy or Rachel did the upgrade?
glad peak
It’s when you hold all the lore
sleek ferry
Rachel has been very vocal lately about the fact that every casual commander deck is just built the same nowadays
glad peak
They’re the ones who made a template for people to follow
sleek ferry
They’re the ones who made a template for people to follow <:icant:13102947003847...
People don’t follow it
You know how many casual pods don’t run removal/board wipes?
sleek ferry
I forgot what their template was tbh, was it 7-8 removal spells and 2-3 board wipes?
Nvm found it
Actually, not a bad template for beginners
glad peak
It’s pretty decent ngl
stark skiff
No, but I assume if it sucked, either Jimmy or Rachel did the upgrade?
Rachel and I think their head artist
They cut Moonshaker and Squee fam
glad peak
I think there was a stipulation where the numbers are more flexible and people took that to mean “if I can’t remove lands for my favorite cards I’ll remove these cards that are too mean”
At least that’s what some people in my groups have told me
sleek ferry
If people followed this, random casual pickup games would high key be pretty decent
We got this one already Adam
glad peak
Yeah let’s not use this as a baseline
Winning and losing is part of the quadrants? Who gave this man a doctorate to make this theorem 
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knotty ferry
I just tapped my lands irl
sleek ferry
Damn you didn’t get the good art?
knotty ferry
That is pretty good
fallow citrus
I just tapped my lands irl
proud of you
stark skiff
I just tapped my lands irl
What did you tap them for?
knotty ferry
What did you tap them for?
for fun 🙂
past socket
Woe, Demonic Tutor be upon ye! Yay puns
glad peak
sleek ferry
Have you ever seen dragon scale fetch lands before @knotty ferry ?
knotty ferry
What's that
sleek ferry
@stark skiff show him a dragon scale fetch land
sleek ferry
Here, the video does it more justice https://fxtwitter.com/blueraaaspberry/status/1908571030844584253?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
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copper pecan
the last time a similar effect was in standard it was a staple in mono white
knotty ferry
Yea that seems good
trail anvil
I think [[traumatic critique]] and [[flow state]] are also gonna be meta
knotty ferry
Yea flow state seemed good
knotty ferry
Holy fuck I just got obliterated
By this green white blue deck with aang swift savior
And this one white creature that made all their guys trigger a second time
And they had green creature that gave all your creatures the ability to be able to be tapped for mana?
Idr the names
But I lost in like 4 minutes lmao that was insane
sleek ferry
[[enduring vitality]]
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Enchantment Creature — Elk Glimmer
Vigilance
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
When Enduring Vitality dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
3/3
tardy echo
When they draw Aang + guide + any of the doublers that happens
tardy echo
U get a 3/3 flier that cocos and then whatever u coco also gets double triggers
tardy echo
[[collected company]]
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knotty ferry
tardy echo
Just what some ppl call that type of effect
Look at top x grab a creature w mana value y or less
knotty ferry
"ppl"
tardy echo
Search coco in this chat
I hate to say ppl do call it that
As silly of an acronym as it is
subtle sierra
I think [[traumatic critique]] and [[flow state]] are also gonna be meta
Hmm I'm not sure on critique
My gut says it's good
past socket
Traumatic Critique is the peak regular art of 2026 though
subtle sierra
And x=0 is just looting with 2 mana so it's good in that regard
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“FOR THE LAST TIME, HER NAME IS OKAMI!”
tardy echo
It’s very much on rate
subtle sierra
Besides it being izzet mana over what attachments have
But when you think about it from a damage standpoint
3 mana ping for 1
I'm trying to think that it's looting with an upside but the damage is meh
tardy echo
3 mana deal 1 draw 2 discard 1 is p good value
Besides the damage scales and it can go face
subtle sierra
I feel like i wouldn't want to spend 3 mana for ping 1 and loot, but on the other hand it's one card that does it and not 2
The card feels weird to me
I'm still gonna get like a playset but I'll have to see
I can def see decks like spellementals dropping attachemnts for it
atomic harness
Spellementals is crazy
subtle sierra
?
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Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
This creature enters tapped if it's not your turn.
When this creature enters, tap up to two target creatures.
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atomic harness
Oh I'm just trolling
knotty ferry
Oh I'm just trolling
We know son
glad peak
Woo finished making storm
subtle sierra
Sigh mudkip has a weather machine
glad peak
Cloudy with a chance of meatballs but there’s only meatballs
tardy echo
Why is this a sorcery
subtle sierra
idk ask inistrad
this is a reprint
apparently
i thought it was a retrain like in ygo...
tardy echo
there's also a bunch of red and black stuff
The only black thing is the 4 4/2 isn’t it
And then there’s some silverquill stuff but I thought I’d seen most of them already
subtle sierra
i haven't seen a bunch of this
def not the 1 1/1
last gasp is meh but good to know it's there limited wise
tardy echo
Oh scryfall isn’t fully updated yet
subtle sierra
which one
tardy echo
Add g equal to power
tardy echo
https://www.mtgpics.com/spoilers?set=498
It’s at the top of this
tardy echo
Yes
But im p sure theres a simic card that’s evolve add g equal to this creatures power
And it costs 2
Ik increment and evolve are diff keywords but it sort of just feels like a much worse version for 3
subtle sierra
this?
tardy echo
Oh yeah it’s not even simic just mono g
3 mana dorks have to tap for like 20000 mana to be worth it
subtle sierra
anyways i think we have the whole list?
idt the checklist is missing stuff
actually i think i can just pin
subtle sierra
https://www.mtgpics.com/set_checklist?set=498
tardy echo
These 3 all jump out at me
Idk how good but v cool cards
Esp the golgari one
I will 1000% be playing golgari/sultai after this set drops…
Also
lol
subtle sierra
we knew this
it's just lessons from life but instant for one more mana
doesn't make it have a home better
we have 5 mana draw 4 anyway
tardy echo
we knew this
When did it get posted 
subtle sierra
i think so
tardy echo
That’s why I forgor
Not a very memorable card just funny they printed 2 of these 2 sets in a row
subtle sierra
here
damn we actually knew a bunch i just forgot cause they're all garbo
and i only remembered this one due to the lfl comparison
mb
fallow citrus
what prowess creatures do we have in standard
vibrant outburst seems crazy
it's 2 mana but it does remove a blocker too
subtle sierra
there's stormchasers, otter 1 drop and uhhh
fallow citrus
like for a standard version of bolt it's good
subtle sierra
ig technically slickshot
subtle sierra
ye i didn't remember the name
tardy echo
Drake Hatcher is still in standard also