Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

The partnered commanders are actually the worst thing about cedh, because all the decks are just good stuff decks

There’s not a single partner commander that does anything remotely interesting

Besides ishai

[glad peak]

the partner deck with ishai only uses him for colors

also bro hasn't seen oops rogrey

[atomic harness]

Thank you little mudkip

[glad peak]

not to mention the pirate decks and dargo decks, neither of which are value piles

polymorph decks are enabled by them too

hulk combo with halana is criminally underexplored too

[sleek ferry]

Dargo stuff is cool

I’m mainly shitting on rog, tymna and thras

As they’re literally the most boring piles of shit you can play

[twilit canyon]

thras but no kraum?

[glad peak]

no kraum or tevesh in pile category is cap

sad to say but yoshi fits too

[twilit canyon]

true

[atomic harness]

Yoshi

[sleek ferry]

@golden plover so remember that island mountain discussion? Somebody brought up a good point

It’s effectively a volcanic island without being a volcanic island in name. So what if WotC is trying to outsmart the reserved list by using Deadpool “I fixed it cards” as an avenue to do this

[golden plover]

Yeah the current ruling is actually crazier. It's effectively a basic that's both, meaning you can run any number. It'll absolutely not stay that way

[trail anvil]

? where was this announced

[golden plover]

We're going off rulings of [[Surgeon General Commander]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/und/72/surgeon-general-commander

Surgeon General Commander <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Wombat Bat Chameleon
Whenever you augment, enchant, or mutate a creature you control, draw a card.
: Add , , , , or .
Likes: augmentation, fluffy animals, creative templating.
3/3

[trail anvil]

are you saying because part of its name crossed out?

wouldn't that depend on its gatherer name

[golden plover]

The gatherer name is Surgeon General Commander yeah

The crossed out part is still treated as being there

So because of that precedent this is a new card called "Island Mountain"

[trail anvil]

I think we're gonna have to see when it actually appears on gatherer

I would imagine wizards isn't trying to break the game overnight

[tardy echo]

Calling this a ruling is crazy

It is, very generously, a precedent

[golden plover]

Nah it's very unlikely to get ruled that way

[tardy echo]

And while this would be cool it’ll probably just be a mountain

[golden plover]

I just think it's funny that you COULD interpret it this way

[tardy echo]

You could interpret most things in batshit ways

[subtle sierra]

I interpret that we can ancestral recall multiple times per prepare

[sleek ferry]

Oh of course, what I’m saying is this was purposely printed this way to make an “og dual” accessible for commander

[tardy echo]

Idt they’ll actually do that though

If they did they very likely would’ve advertised the SL ahead of time with that

Also is that not still technically breaking RL

[golden plover]

Yeah it'd still be technically a violation especially considering technically this is a mechanically better card

That "basic" does a lot for that

[sleek ferry]

I think you guys are taking this way too literal

You don’t advertise it like that because it would be a violation of the RL

It’s not a “basic” it’s meant for people who don’t want to drop hundreds on a volcanic island to be like “hey here’s my volcanic island”

[tardy echo]

Well they wouldn’t count it as a basic if it’s a volcanic island

[sleek ferry]

Same exact reason why blacker lotus is such an expensive card from the first Deadpool secret lair, because it’s literally a black lotus scribbled out lol

[tardy echo]

Ok but why are we just assuming that it’ll be both lol

And notably blacker lotus also isn’t played as black lotus

[sleek ferry]

Sigh you’re not getting it

[tardy echo]

Are you saying just as a collector piece lol

Because the merit of SL cards for collectibility exists without needing to do mental backbends

[sleek ferry]

Let’s say I’m a commander player, I throw in the island mountain in my deck and tell my pod, “hey btw this is a volcanic island”, literally nobody’s going to have an issue with that, because that’s literally what the intention was with this April fools version of the island

[tardy echo]

Those same playgroups would probably also just let you proxy though?

[sleek ferry]

And I’m saying this is WOTC’s way around the RL for commander players while also profiting

[tardy echo]

Especially $500 reserve list card

[sleek ferry]

Yes but WotC doesn’t profit off proxies

[tardy echo]

It’s a secret lair super shiny foil for a popular ip it’s gonna make money no matter what lol

[golden plover]

Magic 30

[knotty ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/1970241408058695788

大魔王バーン (@k0ingMF93CEbVc0)

X · Sep 22, 2025, 9:38 PM

[subtle sierra]

well that's fun

[trail anvil]

goals tbh

[sleek ferry]

With the same glasses?

[trail anvil]

yes

everything is a vibe here together

7 mana red sorcery lesson??? mythic????

please tell me this has a really interesting effect and not "3 extra combats"

[subtle sierra]

please lesson payoff that isn't izzet slop

i want to play control with lessons

[trail anvil]

izzet midrange with lessons was meta last time around 😌

but ig that depended on learning partially too

[sleek ferry]

We’ve had multiple 6-8 mana sorcery mythics that were absolute trash tbf

[fallow citrus]

you get an extra turn but lose at the end of the turn

[sleek ferry]

I predict this will probably be good with north wind avatar though as a bomb

[trail anvil]

I'm fine with trash but I want some flashy trash

[subtle sierra]

you have me

[trail anvil]

actually lowkey ik I said I wanted something original but "2 extra turns then you lose" as a red time stretch 👀

[subtle sierra]

i really wish something like izzet control was a thing

[trail anvil]

aww ❤️

you should've played kaldheim meta

[subtle sierra]

i'm coping that strixhaven gives me something for that

simply cause my favorite control tools will rotate

[trail anvil]

don't you have a few more sets? since rotation is moving to the start of the year

or am I misremembering

[subtle sierra]

oh i know i'm just thinking ahead

[sleek ferry]

(Kaldheim meta was terrible)

[trail anvil]

I think you'll get some new tools one way or another

I've seen azorius control bubble up in so many metas

[subtle sierra]

i'll probably want to move stuff like get lost and such

[trail anvil]

yes but some of those prismari cards banged

prismari command is so nice

[[magma opus]] is such a fun spell to cheat otherwise

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/296/magma-opus

Magma Opus <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Magma Opus deals 4 damage divided as you choose among any number of targets. Tap two target permanents. Create a 4/4 blue and red Elemental creature token. Draw two cards.
, Discard this card: Create a Treasure token.

[sleek ferry]

Btw, idk if anybody saw the new prof video

But he tries using 2020-2021 standard as a reference point

When those were legitly some of the worse standard metas I’ve ever played

[trail anvil]

jetmir is fun

craterhoof in the command zone that costs 4 mana? yes please

[knotty ferry]

My fellow American mtg players - what's the standard for buying stuff irl? Is it a % of tcgplayer/card kingdom price?

[sleek ferry]

Wdym

[knotty ferry]

like in yugioh if someone's buying a card irl people usually just agree to like 85% of tcgplayer market price

I'm about to ask my locals for some cards and I don't wanna get scammed so I just wanna make sure I know whats normal

[sleek ferry]

Like if you’re buying from other players you mean? Yeah that’s usually how it is.

[knotty ferry]

Yeah

Ok, cool

[[glan elendra guardian]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/51/glen-elendra-guardian

Glen Elendra Guardian <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flash
Flying
This creature enters with a -1/-1 counter on it.
, Remove a counter from this creature: Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller draws a card.
"The home of the fae must be protected."
3/4

[golden plover]

Dammit, there's lessons in the set

[sudden lava]

If this is a cycle, then this is the rest of the colors

Giving one of the colors (Prismari as the red one) in the cycle confirms the rest

[knotty ferry]

LFG

btw, can someone explain what the goal of these doomsday excruciator decks are? from what i can see in the list, you can probably manipulate your deck to make your remaining 6 cards good, but how do you deck your opponent out before you do? https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-dimir-excruciator-woe#paper

i've also seen [[malboro]] in some lists, so i guess that's one way

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/106/malboro

Malboro <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Plant Horror
Bad Breath — When this creature enters, each opponent discards a card, loses 2 life, and exiles the top three cards of their library.
Swampcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a Swamp card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
4/4

[subtle sierra]

[[Insatiable Avarice]] and [[restless reef]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/91/insatiable-avarice

Insatiable Avarice <:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)

• — Search your library for a card, then shuffle and put that card on top.
• — Target player draws three cards and loses 3 life.
  Akul didn't know what lay inside Tarnation's great vault, but the mystery fueled his obsession.

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/282/restless-reef

Restless Reef

Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add or .
: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 4/4 blue and black Shark creature with deathtouch. It's still a land.
Whenever this land attacks, target player mills four cards.

[knotty ferry]

and [[deadly cover-up]] i guess kidna does it?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/83/deadly-cover-up

Deadly Cover-Up <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may collect evidence 6.
Destroy all creatures. If evidence was collected, exile a card from an opponent's graveyard. Then search its owner's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way.

[subtle sierra]

nah cover up does nothing there

[knotty ferry]

oh fuck i didnt realize it was target player

lol

ok

[golden plover]

Nah, reef is your primary way to do it

[knotty ferry]

that makes sense

[subtle sierra]

reef is primary as alph says

but there are secondary stuff like avarice

[golden plover]

Avarice is sorta your backup plan, as you can either use it to search Excruciatiator, but reef is how you wanna do it

[knotty ferry]

also can superior spider man copy excruciator?

[golden plover]

Although imo this deck is bad

Yup

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[knotty ferry]

holy shit thats sick lol

[golden plover]

That's the whole reason this works

[subtle sierra]

and it counts as cast

cause you did

superior also cheats [[bringer of the last gift]] in other decks

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/94/bringer-of-the-last-gift

Bringer of the Last Gift <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, each player sacrifices all other creatures they control. Then each player returns all creature cards from their graveyard that weren't put there this way to the battlefield.
6/6

[subtle sierra]

or just deceit for 4 for both modes

[knotty ferry]

i watn to say this deck seems cheesy but id imagine it's probably harder to stop than it seems

[subtle sierra]

it's very telegraphed actually

but you sometimes just don't have the things to stop it

[knotty ferry]

well you kind of need the right tools

yea

[subtle sierra]

tbh the right tools is usually just removal for reef and tools to survive the superior bashing your head in

since they draw more they will mill out first

if anything excruciator players are often stupid, and do the mill before checking that you have your own reef

like nice wincon mind if i take it

[glad peak]

It’s pretty cheesy but that’s not the only win con in the deck

Plan A is all of the spiderman excruciator + mill lines and plan B is just spiderman deceit reanimator stuff

[subtle sierra]

that's also true

[glad peak]

Spiderman doing both deceit triggers on turn 4 is brutal

[subtle sierra]

yeah it's an insane tempo swing

[twilit canyon]

last thing u want is to get bent by grave hate tho and the grave is likely the 2nd most contested zone in mtg

[subtle sierra]

wow misty leaking new ygo cards

bent by the grave...

[glad peak]

just like my dates, first called by, then

[golden plover]

But yeah, Dimir Excruciatiator is bad iml

[twilit canyon]

idt its bad but its a very flawed deck

if it had more real play outside of the grave combo... maybe

[subtle sierra]

i found a cope izzet control wincon

[tardy echo]

From the name it’s probably impulse draw your entire deck or something

Impulse draw half your deck you have an extra turn you can cast those cards for free you lose at the end of your next turn

gg?

[glad peak]

For 7 mana?

Cedh got its new win con

[tardy echo]

And hyper searchable

[glad peak]

eh it's a bit less searchable in cedh

but still 7 mana to win the game

[sleek ferry]

7 mana to win the game? Sounds like Etali

[glad peak]

except etali doesn't win on the spot

[tardy echo]

I feel like red is the easiest color to find sorceries in

And if it’s a lesson that also makes it more searchable idk

[glad peak]

in a format with no sideboard?

also red's only good tutors are artifact dumps or gambles

[tardy echo]

True I forgot about that

I was thinking abt wishes and learn spells

[glad peak]

i wish

[subtle sierra]

when it works it works

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/lrDOI0qqDj8?si=l3eR5ks57BBjxbLP

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqV4X_ZXVGA

i've been watching this series and it's really funny how many people are playing dogshit typal decks at low ranks in the historic queue

he runs into treefolk typal at one point

[glad peak]

damn, i just checked out edhtop16 again to see if one of the events i was at was big enough to post

iron man is no longer a secret to the wider community

they hid it in the first event they won but not the second one, both of which he took first place in

crazy deck, expect to see it on youtube soon

[gritty nest]

i figured iron man was a cedh staple already

[glad peak]

There’s only 1 deck that plays him with any sort of popularity

And that deck’s only popular because a prominent magic player (in general, he didn’t play cedh at the time) theorycrafted jhoira (the aether vial one)

[trail anvil]

man tamiyo is annoying lmao

had to search out a third counterspell to be confident I could actually close out the game

[subtle sierra]

spiderman meme

[subtle sierra]

[copper pecan]

why did tam push that old lady into the mysterious swirling vortex???

[sudden lava]

Supposedly ||Jace|| approves of it

[copper pecan]

i'm like 99% convinced that the theory that tam is jace and vraska's daughter is true now

[golden plover]

We're getting purple in reality fracture, yeah?

[copper pecan]

i really doubt it

there isn't much of a way to do a sixth color without it being disappointing

which is why they didn't do it in planar chaos

[golden plover]

True. I just think that this being sorcery speed makes it really bad unless we can get it to 6 lol

[fallow citrus]

unless they start counting colourless lmao

[golden plover]

Yeah maybe a rule change that "if you spent colorless from a colorless source it's counted as a 6th color"

[sudden lava]

I can be normal with such a ruling :3

jk jk. Can already do 4 colors with solar array

in a 3 color deck

[tardy echo]

wtf did jadzi do

[sleek ferry]

[[jadzi]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/151/jadzi-oracle-of-arcavios-journey-to-the-oracle

Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Discard a card: Return Jadzi to its owner's hand.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a nonland card, you may cast it by paying rather than paying its mana cost. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield.
5/5

Journey to the Oracle
Sorcery
You may put any number of land cards from your hand onto the battlefield. Then if you control eight or more lands, you may discard a card. If you do, return Journey to the Oracle to its owner's hand.
To find Jadzi, one need only wander.

[tardy echo]

No I know this one

I meant like why did tam kill her

[sleek ferry]

no, I didn't know who jadzi was

didn't know she was a named character

[tardy echo]

She’s the oracle of arcavios

[sleek ferry]

I thought that was my boy Washington

[golden plover]

Theoretically they can't kill her considering she's gonna become an archaic, yeah?

Archaics work funky in Strixhaven time

[tardy echo]

Idk the rules of arcavios

Does everything become an archaic when it dies

[golden plover]

Nah, only oracles

And archaics are experiencing all of time at once

[sleek ferry]

Should I sell my Wandering Archaic

surely it will get a reprint in the commander decks right

[glad peak]

Nah keep it so you don’t have to buy it again

[glad peak]

Nah we’re getting purple specifically for the five nights at Freddie’s UB set which is followed up by the return to purple in the Barney block

[sleek ferry]

I'm kinda just cleaning out all my "commander" cards right now worth $6+

[glad peak]

Oh in that case yep

[subtle sierra]

ok so i was so wrong about north wind avatar

card is great

i love him

who could have thought a 5 mana 5/5 flying that does a wish is good

[copper pecan]

we don't know

it's because of The Plot™

[twilit canyon]

fuck you wotc give us urza's saga

[tardy echo]

[[fire covenant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/54/fire-covenant

Fire Covenant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, pay X life.
Fire Covenant deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures.
"No matter our differences, one thing we agree on: It ends in fire."

[glad peak]

Fringe cedh card, not a bad card but doesn’t make sense in 20 life 1v1 formats

[subtle sierra]

maybe not for you, but my heal deck needs an out to wall of ba sing se

[fallow citrus]

fire covenant is a great cube card

[sleek ferry]

You’re a great cube card

[[aeri]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “aeri”, can you be more specific?

[sleek ferry]

Multiple great cube cards apparently

[subtle sierra]

wait fuck storm counts BOTH players?

wtf

[past socket]

Indeed!

[sleek ferry]

When it rains, people get wet

-Thugs

[glad peak]

Correct and correct

[subtle sierra]

well hey i didn't actually encounter that until just now

somehow

i was incredibly confused why my wisdom drew 12 when it was the first spell i cast that turn

does standard have a red brotherhood's end like card?

[copper pecan]

yeah it was made back when wotc loved doing symmetrical effects even when it didn't make sense for them to be symmetrical

[subtle sierra]

i don't fancy running somthing that isn't izzet for mass artifact clear and rely on starting town

[glad peak]

Storm being symmetrical works well

I wish more mechanics were symmetrical, turning them on their head is always fun

[sudden lava]

Counter the storm player with another storm card

[glad peak]

Yes, that’s what flusterstorm is, literally

[tardy echo]

And weather the storm

As weird as it is for it to be symmetrical at least it lets them do interesting design stuff

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/arena-powered-cube-draft

HELL YEAH COMET IS DEAD

[copper pecan]

joe biden's psionic warriors burried him within the earth

[golden plover]

Thank you Joe Biden

Comet's level of random chance fucking you over is stupidly unfun

Both playing it and playing against it feel BAD

[copper pecan]

i don't mind randomness sometimes but having it literally be dice rolls is too far imo

[glad peak]

^my complaint about the cyberpunk tcg

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm fine with it for the most part, but I feel like comet really crosses the line into unfun territory

Feels like shit to roll a 3 or 4 when it won't do anything for you

And then your opponent rolls 3 6s in one turn and hits you with 20 squirrels

[zinc shard]

Compensation for the recent downtime

[subtle sierra]

pog

also i feel like i'm going insane trying to make izzet control work

[glad peak]

What’s your win con and why are you still in the lessons package

Stormchaser’s talent is a perfect control card, giving you a win con/blocker and regrowing a control piece and giving you inevitability

[zinc shard]

looks like it's any random cosmetic, i got a sleeve and a card style

[subtle sierra]

it costs money

i mean realistically i should be on it but

i'm not that keen on dropping 50 euro just to get it

also the wincon is just surviving until you're comfortable to drop avatars, pretty much like every control deck

the card doubles as a body that adds another wincon

[glad peak]

[[north wind avatar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/162/north-wind-avatar

North Wind Avatar <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon Spirit Avatar
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, you may put a card you own from outside the game into your hand.
Glyph has claimed to be a survivor of an alien war, a deposed minister of weather, and the last of the dinosaurs. Whatever the truth, his origin stories always bear a lesson.
5/5

[subtle sierra]

you usually grab ral washington or revelation off the wish

[glad peak]

Ral Washington

[subtle sierra]

revelation has bonus points in that it bounces the avatar for another card

sometimes comes up

it's also a dragon for exhale

exhale is kiiinda broken

even late game you can mostly treat it as a hard counter and it costs 2 or 1 with grandma

[glad peak]

You can replace 24 cards away from lessons and let’s assume 4 of them are stormchaser’s because they give you everything you want

You get to maindeck 4 sears

[subtle sierra]

lessons are there cause i don't have stock up mostly

and grandma is broken

[glad peak]

You get to main most of that sideboard and have space for more specific options actually

[subtle sierra]

ig i'll try out non lessons but i might stick with that just cause budget

[glad peak]

4 stock up, next upgrades

[subtle sierra]

sigh i really don't wanna rebuy it

unless the mystical archive ones won't cost an arm and a leg

[glad peak]

Building control but shoving a massive tempo package in there means the deck isnt control

[subtle sierra]

i kiinda disagree the package isn't control

it does the same thing as other izzet packages

removal and draw wise

i'll have to rethink anyway tho depending on what strixhaven gives us

the cancel that leaked sounds fucking broken

but you need a wizard for it

being on the play and dropping a t2 wizard kinda means they have to remove it or risk t3 cancel into t4 cast 6-7 cost spell

[glad peak]

6-7 you say

[subtle sierra]

Sigh

[zinc shard]

Nice Ouroboroid dummy

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/six-seven-6-7-south-park-cartman-eric-cartman-gif-2216984326090558656

[golden plover]

Apparently the furry mtg chat I'm in doesn't agree with me that comet is a bad cube card lol

I'm so glad his stupid ass got removed from the cube

[sudden lava]

oh free gift

[copper pecan]

michaelangelo looks genuinely unsettling

why does he have human looking teeth

[tardy echo]

Pws with high variance always feel bad

Comet is an extreme of an extreme

[glad peak]

Maybe they’re biased because comet’s a cute doggo too

[tardy echo]

Chat are there any reoccurring mono green planeswalkers who never break from mono g

Was randomly thinking abt this

Oh Vivien lol

I forgot abt her

As a fun thought experiment how many pws can u name with 3+ versions who never break colors

[sleek ferry]

Jaya

Elspeth?

[tardy echo]

Yes

I can think of 11 I think I forgot abt jaya

[subtle sierra]

Fuck me i wanna rebuild my deck on moxfield and scryfall is on maintenance

[past socket]

a puppy like Comet could never visit evil on people

[tardy echo]

Vivien
Liliana
Elspeth
Kaya
Ashiok(?)
Oko
Wanderer
Chandra
Gideon
Nicol Bolas
Jace
Kiora
If you’re cheating you can count ugin

I like wracked my brain trying to think of more

But it’s crazy realizing how many planeswalkers have like one single random card in diff colors

[sleek ferry]

Ashiok has a dimir card

[tardy echo]

Ashiok is all dimir aren’t they

[sleek ferry]

No

[tardy echo]

wtf

I knew knightmare sculptor

[sleek ferry]

[[ashiok wicked manipulator]]

[tardy echo]

And then there’s a 4 mana 2U/B

Scryfall is down right now

[tardy echo]

Wao I thought this one was UB too

This card is so cool I wish it was good

I was also thinking do will and Rowan count

Also Ral is another one

[zinc shard]

wait this isn't the furry mtg chat?

[glad peak]

No sadly I’m the holdout because I’m not a furry sadly

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jonYzcUx2zQ

[subtle sierra]

Lmao

[subtle sierra]

Hmm no one posted this

[tardy echo]

Why is Jace evil now

[subtle sierra]

Idt he's evil, more so he's trying to do smth not everyone agrees with

He did free ugin and that other guy

idk man all i know jace apparently was deleted from existance in dragonstorm?

[fallow citrus]

like someone on the mtg reddit said

all recent lore is jace doing something and it fucks up

[subtle sierra]

yeah pretty much

his biggest mistake was loot

i even forgot his name, he's that much of a mistake

[golden plover]

Motherfucker how are you 10 minutes worse off than me? Just play your goddamn cards

[tardy echo]

Ok but he also wanted his daughter to kill jadzi

[sleek ferry]

Pikachu (loot) is adorable

Quick someone queue the picture of loot being ran over

[tardy echo]

It would’ve actually made UBs so much better if loot showed up in them

Imagine a Spider-Man card where loot is getting hustled by a panhandler

Or a tmnt card where he gets arrested by the cops

[subtle sierra]

I'm all for horrible things happening to loot

[knotty ferry]

Wait

So

Superior spider man can't be in arena cause of some copyright shit so they just renamed the card?

That's so funny

Wtf

[twilit canyon]

they already do that anyways

they release universe within versions of cards to reprint in the future

[knotty ferry]

Wtf

That makes sense

But also

Is there a list?

[twilit canyon]

but for arena, they had licensing issues for spider-man as a full set

[knotty ferry]

Oh

[twilit canyon]

so they just added the full universe within versions to arena instead of the spider-man set

[knotty ferry]

Ok sorry, I guess my question is do they print universe within cards alongside the originals

[golden plover]

It's honestly deeply funny that they fucked up their marvel shit so bad

[knotty ferry]

Or do they just get reprinted later

[twilit canyon]

they usually get reprinted later

on the list (literally)

[golden plover]

So far, all UB reprints have been reprinted in universe

At least as far as I can remember

[knotty ferry]

Where can I find a list

Of corresponding ones

[twilit canyon]

uhhh scryfall may have a list

let me check

[sleek ferry]

“The List” doesn’t exist anymore though

It died with set booster packs

[twilit canyon]

yeah i meant it as an example

as to where they'd get reprinted

[golden plover]

Yeah it's why some UB SL cards are like $150 now

[knotty ferry]

Ok

I think I understand

The spiderman thing is cringe tho

[sleek ferry]

Just note that the Spiderman issue is unique

[knotty ferry]

Like cmon man

Let me summon spider man

[sleek ferry]

And it’s the first time something like that has happened

[knotty ferry]

Not this ugly ass shit [[kavaero the mind bitten]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “kavaero the mind bitten”

[knotty ferry]

See

Not even a card

Fuck you

[twilit canyon]

no i agree they really fucked that up

[golden plover]

It will happen for every future marvel set tho

[sleek ferry]

I think all marvel sets will likely have this issue, likely due to lorcana

Yeah, it’s a Disney specific issue though

[twilit canyon]

and marvel snap

the takeaway is that we need to kill disney

[knotty ferry]

Btw, superior spider man seems pretty good, are there any other uses for him? I know about copying deceit and excruciator but does he see any play in other meta decks?

I guess the mana restricts him to certain decks

[twilit canyon]

uhh generally just as a combo piece

[golden plover]

Nah it's snap, not lorcana

[sleek ferry]

Also Tbf, the mtg boomers love the fact they don’t have to play superior spiderman on arena and instead they get to play kavaro the cringe feeder

[twilit canyon]

because there is really not a ton you can really cheat in otherwise

[knotty ferry]

But idk, maybe there's some blue black green/red deck that can copy something else

[golden plover]

Lorcana doesnt have rights to Marvel and Star Wars

[knotty ferry]

Also I guess you need some support to mill/discard

To set it up

[golden plover]

It's why star wars has a competing tcg

[sleek ferry]

You can sometimes copy your opponent’s stuff if they have a value piece in their GY

[twilit canyon]

maybe if we had tainted indulgence or a reliable 2 mana draw 2-3 discard 1-2 with enough "quality" 3-5 drops, it'd be fine and while the quality cards are there, the reliable discard isnt there that are also good enough to play in a standalone list

ie: if we had fomo in blue/black

[knotty ferry]

Yeah that makes sense

[twilit canyon]

that'd be enough to at least start considering it in a fair list

[tardy echo]

It’s also kind of hard to find something better to reanimate

[golden plover]

The main use for Kavero used to be copying [[Bringer of the Last Gift]] and making a huge board all at once

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/94/bringer-of-the-last-gift

Bringer of the Last Gift <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, each player sacrifices all other creatures they control. Then each player returns all creature cards from their graveyard that weren't put there this way to the battlefield.
6/6

[twilit canyon]

even then... you are playing a weaker version of reanimate that is i guess less soft to grave hate

[tardy echo]

Than bringer/excruciator/deceit

[golden plover]

But that deck kinda sucks

[knotty ferry]

Don't call it kavaero bro...it's spider man

I WONT TOLERATE THIS

[sleek ferry]

The Ralph and Mikey deck has been popping off in Japan apparently

[knotty ferry]

Link?

[tardy echo]

Is that the one who cheats the top of your deck

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[tardy echo]

Way too many of those cards Jesus

[golden plover]

Isn't that just kinda bad Naya/Gruul Surprise?

Which is saying something because Naya/Gruul Surprise was already bad Naya Gruul Surprise

[sleek ferry]

Not really because you play all the good blue cards

That already makes it leagues better than naya or gruul

[golden plover]

Wait what's different about it? It's Temur Surprise ig?

[knotty ferry]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7703358#paper

This?

[sleek ferry]

Sultai/Grixis is what they settled on iirc

I was legit seeing it in my timeline nonstop, now I can’t find it

[knotty ferry]

You gotta turn on the Japanese setting

Like Villa

[tardy echo]

Is ralph/mikey not gruul

Do they just cheat it with ssm

[knotty ferry]

Gruul sounds like that poverty porridge shit

Gruel

Disgusting name

[subtle sierra]

well they kinda are

they're wild anarchists

[tardy echo]

I’m crying bro what is your problem

[sleek ferry]

[[raph & Mikey Troublemakers]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/167/raph-&-mikey-troublemakers

Raph & Mikey, Troublemakers <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manarg:292901508738056193><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Trample, haste
Whenever Raph & Mikey attack, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and attacking and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
7/7

[sleek ferry]

It’s hybrid mana

[tardy echo]

Ahh

[sleek ferry]

So you toolbox in all the good blue/black cards + your choice of green or red

IIRC the final list I saw was only on 5 creatures 1x Ralph + Mikey, 2x terror of mount velus and 2x riddler

[tardy echo]

[[terror of mount velus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/549/terror-of-mount-velus

Terror of Mount Velus <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
Double strike (This creature deals both first-strike and regular combat damage.)
When this creature enters, creatures you control gain double strike until end of turn.
The forge of Purphoros burns in the heart of Mount Velus, attracting dragons with its blistering heat.
5/5

[tardy echo]

Did not even know this card existed

[subtle sierra]

Another card patched into foundations

[sleek ferry]

[[leethril mother of dragons]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “leethril mother of dragons”

[golden plover]

Literally

Wait since when has Theros had dragons?

We literally only have 2 whole Theros dragons

[sleek ferry]

Are the strixhaven reveals now?

[copper pecan]

one hour from now

[sleek ferry]

Sigh

@knotty ferry he’s trolling but these are cool decks regardless https://fxtwitter.com/jimdavismtg/status/2038974001406501007?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jim Davis (@JimDavisMTG)

Only the best Standard decks, period, full stop, end of story, the buck stops here, final answer 🛑
︀︀
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FxTwitter · Mar 31, 2026, 1:37 PM

[copper pecan]

there was one in the original theros block. i remember because the artist for it raised a big stink about not being paid extra because the card was good

[sleek ferry]

The dark Leo and shredder deck is far and away the best one in this list

Actually, that deck is right up your alley @tardy echo

[tardy echo]

I’ve seen it

I’ve been trying a lot of the tmnt sneak stuff in pixie

[glad peak]

Oh right stormbreath

If artists were paid according to playability then the artist for glorybringer would be paid more than the cost of all glorybringers in circulation

[sudden lava]

IM SO EXCITED

https://tenor.com/view/shook-otter-funny-animals-get-otter-here-shocked-gif-11113562

strixhaven debut soon

[sleek ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/erin-go-bragh-you-girl-gif-25141048

[sudden lava]

Maybe they will reveal the alt commanders from the precons on the debut stream

in which case, art elemental otter homarid!

[knotty ferry]

Interesting...

[subtle sierra]

genius award

[sleek ferry]

One more time for those that didn’t bookmark it https://youtu.be/jonYzcUx2zQ?si=-HcpwHJso5rLtzJU

[subtle sierra]

i can just pin it if you wanna

[sleek ferry]

Wait I just thought of something, where the fuck is Teferi???

@tardy echo

[copper pecan]

he lost his spark after the march of the machines and lives on zhalfir now

[sleek ferry]

you're telling me the main character of magic is now a bum?

[copper pecan]

his arc is over

he accomplished the goal he was trying to do since time spiral (phasing zhalfir back in)

[sleek ferry]

So when are we going to zhalfir then

[copper pecan]

eventually

[sleek ferry]

Archaic sighting in the video btw

[glad peak]

Always has been

[sleek ferry]

Teferi was always a GOAT

unlike that fraud Urza

[glad peak]

Teferi was always a parasite

All my homies (who played competitively at least) hate Teferi

Every version of him leads to autopilot decks everyone thinks takes brainpower

[copper pecan]

oh good they addressed my main complain with the last strixhaven which was that the world outside the school felt very empty

[fallow citrus]

elder dragons in my highlander?

[glad peak]

Yep, that was the plan though, right?

[fallow citrus]

shame prismari is 7 mana lmao

[golden plover]

Of cool the Izzet one is the best one lol

But it's also 7 mana

[glad peak]

Damn they really made silverquill into fucking Socrates

[sleek ferry]

Silverquill, lorehold and witherbloom have the best chance to see constructed play

[fallow citrus]

are there any suspend spells in standard

[twilit canyon]

he marries an orzhov man and he becomes black

crazy

[fallow citrus]

oh this is very good, no?

[golden plover]

Lmao that ult is really funny

[golden plover]

It's an alternate timeline Ral

[glad peak]

Doubling season really damaged planeswalker design irrevocably

[sleek ferry]

Ral about to expose that fraud Jace

[fallow citrus]

exposing jace with facts and logic

[golden plover]

Which is funny because that card sucks shit

[sleek ferry]

As proven by the fact that it literally sees 0 play in standard

[glad peak]

Doesn’t spot people from complaining about it

[sleek ferry]

And people were freaking out about doubling season in foundations

[glad peak]

Commander-ass card that’s not even good in commander

[zinc shard]

Already revealed but here it is

there it is

[glad peak]

However, yes this card is pretty good, it’s a different take on liliana (trades off not having to discard with no more edict) but also has more options and you can ignore the ult on both cards

[zinc shard]

OMG WOW

SHOCK AND AWE

[subtle sierra]

How unexpected

[glad peak]

Good, prepare disappears on cast

[twilit canyon]

they should have changed the text somewhere from the leak just to troll people

[twilit canyon]

but also yeah this card is way more balanced than before fortunately

[twilit canyon]

fwiw i do think emeritus of ideation is goated

[subtle sierra]

Well that was expected

Holy

Fuck

[glad peak]

So what does this card do again? No notes allowed

[sleek ferry]

MILL IS BACK

[sleek ferry]

LOL

[zinc shard]

each college gets a Paradigm card

[glad peak]

It was already back with doomsday

[knotty ferry]

Pensive professor seems decent

Well 3 mana is kinda hard

[zinc shard]

This seems crazy

[knotty ferry]

But if you can keep it alive it seems decent

[twilit canyon]

this is solid

[zinc shard]

commander decks next

[subtle sierra]

ok so tidecaller is an immediate add for me

low cost wizard that is also a wincon

[zinc shard]

gonna just post them all at once

[hidden ermine]

Wait so we get epic without the downside now?

[glad peak]

Professor Fel seems pretty good

[hidden ermine]

Oh its commander only

[glad peak]

4 mana to be allowed a draw every turn then allows you to kill a thing is good, the rest is flavor text

[zinc shard]

each deck gets one Prepared card, one of them lets you cast a spell that isn't playable in EDH

[glad peak]

Wait [[replenish]] isnt legal in commander?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/15/replenish

Replenish <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Return all enchantment cards from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Auras with nothing to enchant remain in your graveyard.)
Treasures, trinkets, trash—the relics of the past are brought forth again.

[twilit canyon]

would be weird if it wasnt

[zinc shard]

naw this isn't the one that's unplayable

[knotty ferry]

Is this just a mill support set

I feel like half the cards revolve around that lol

[glad peak]

Nah you want to mill yourself most times

[subtle sierra]

eh i wouldn't say so spat

[zinc shard]

yoo the lesbians are back

[twilit canyon]

hardened academic is solid

[twilit canyon]

slots well into the cool but rude decks

[subtle sierra]

capstone is soooo going into my wish deck

[glad peak]

I can’t believe they put Charlie Kirk into magic

[subtle sierra]

i like this set

i like it a lot

like a lot a lot

[glad peak]

Concilator’s duelist really says “by all means, let’s debate” as if he’s not in lightning bolt range

[hidden ermine]

Wait the epic without downside isnt commander after all?

[subtle sierra]

LORD

i want this

[glad peak]

Force of negation mentioned

[sleek ferry]

FORCE OF WILL

[glad peak]

OH SHIT

[twilit canyon]

lets

fucking go

[fallow citrus]

good heavens

[sleek ferry]

OH MY GOD

[twilit canyon]

timeless strong return from goated to the best format of all time

[subtle sierra]

wotc released rarity collection 1

[zinc shard]

more 1 mana tutor reprints please

[glad peak]

Don’t get too excited yet, they’ve prebanned mid shit before

[twilit canyon]

not in timeless

we only restrict

[subtle sierra]

JAPANESE STROKE

[zinc shard]

LORD

[twilit canyon]

hot

[glad peak]

Aw lawd he strokin

[twilit canyon]

im gonna stroke it

[subtle sierra]

this is the most stacked shit i've seen

[zinc shard]

how disdainful

[subtle sierra]

like i didn't play paper in the last archive but

this is nuts

[fallow citrus]

the jp force of will good lord

[glad peak]

Be ready for the most stupid limited environment

[subtle sierra]

idc

[sleek ferry]

THIS IS THE BEST SET EVER

[subtle sierra]

i'm going to prerelease on all 3 days

probably

[zinc shard]

I might need to call off work lol

[subtle sierra]

ikr

friday will be in the evening but i can understand it

like go off king

go to prerelease

[sleek ferry]

I'm going to locals right now to ask if they have prerelease sign ups up

[sudden lava]

hell yeah

[subtle sierra]

you're a bit late summer

[fallow citrus]

assume we didnt see any other special guest cards

[sleek ferry]

just the one

but at this point

[sudden lava]

the new otter is so cute

[sleek ferry]

any good special guests are just a bonus

the set is already cracked as is

[fallow citrus]

the mystical archive had me pogged out

[sleek ferry]

and we've only seen like 10% of it

[sudden lava]

also that full art island :O!

[sleek ferry]

the full art basics go so fucking hard

[golden plover]

Oh I don't like him

[sleek ferry]

they might compete with my edge basics

[sudden lava]

Leave my son Muddie alone, he living his best otter homarid elemental life

[fallow citrus]

the full art basics look gorgeous

[golden plover]

Damn they're uncommons 🙁

[sleek ferry]

wait, this goes kinda crazy???

[glad peak]

Prismari might be the best reanimator target?

6th or 7th best of all time though

[golden plover]

Thugs, I love you, but you love reading mid ass cards and going "woah that's crazy"

[sleek ferry]

it's literally a draft all star

[subtle sierra]

it's like, fine at best ngl

draft maybe

[glad peak]

You should show him healing salve, it counters one of the best cards in the game

[golden plover]

I can see it being fine in draft

[glad peak]

Healing Salve?

[golden plover]

Sidenote: [[Heroic Stanza]] isn't a card

[sleek ferry]

I'm surprised mud isn't going crazy for it, this would go crazy in his hypothetical cube

[lost widget]

No card found for “Heroic Stanza”

[glad peak]

It’s not really

Also hypothetical?

[sleek ferry]

[golden plover]

"This goes crazy guys"

Also his art sucks

[glad peak]

I built a bw cube as well and Abigale wouldn’t be anywhere near competing

[sleek ferry]

wtf is up with these uncommons being fucking insane for draft

[glad peak]

Card’s fine

[golden plover]

You know you still have to pay the mana for prepared spells yeah?

[sleek ferry]

yeah, they're still crazy

[glad peak]

In draft it’s incredibly difficult to get creatures into your yard before losing too much advantage for it to matter

[golden plover]

If it's turn 14 and you can play Lluwen and 10 pests you should've already won

[sleek ferry]

even lluwen making 2 pests is a huge swing

[glad peak]

Eh if you topdeck him then it’s good

If you’re able to stock your grave enough then he’s pretty alright

2 is still pretty hard depending on the rest of the set

[golden plover]

He's fine but 6 mana for 5/6 in stats and 3 bodies is barely on rate

[glad peak]

7 mana 6/7

[golden plover]

WAIT THIS IS THE SET'S MANDATORY "GUYS ROOTS IS GOID NOW" CARD

[glad peak]

Seriously Tam?

[twilit canyon]

this guy's fun with untappers

manual storm players

[glad peak]

Not avoiding the “simic gets yoo much advantage by just playing the game” allegation here

[golden plover]

Sanar only ever gets prepared once lol

[zinc shard]

think I missed this guy

[subtle sierra]

whoa

[twilit canyon]

that doesnt matter im still untapping and making a treasure

[golden plover]

Hmm this feels like a trap

But maybe it's good?

[glad peak]

Wild idea is expensive but a good enough effect to justify only having once

[sleek ferry]

Sanar and Tam are so much worse draft bombs

and you guys said I was overhyping them

shout out to abigail and lluwen the goats

[golden plover]

Nah they're all bad lol

Or mid

[golden plover]

DAMMIT ANOTHER SET WHERE DUALCASTER DOESN'T GET ACCIDENTALLY PRINTED INTO STANDARD

[sleek ferry]

Why is the Codie special guest, him getting inappropriately touched

[glad peak]

[zinc shard]

I mean, is there an appropriate way to touch a sentient book?

[sleek ferry]

@golden plover you want to talk about “roots is good now” cards, this is “Sephiroth is good now”

[subtle sierra]

isn't this one of the best versions of -2/-2 for 3

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[knotty ferry]

What cards make it good

[sleek ferry]

I was trolling saying the board wipe makes it good

But Sephiroth is already in white

[knotty ferry]

Sigh kid you hyped me up

[sleek ferry]

So this does nothing for him

[knotty ferry]

Sephiroth is white, just like trilla

[zinc shard]

Not a Grizzly Bear, but I love them.

[subtle sierra]

oh shit

this is decent

also wizard

in the wizard matters set

at least i think

[sudden lava]

set isnt wizards matter

[subtle sierra]

well we saw one card so i kinda figured, but ig there aren't more

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1488603373081989331/en_957N2P2s2I.png?ex=69cd616d&is=69cc0fed&hm=1991e4086160d0be08333dbbfadc917b72ac3b997e0112a4b64ee16c7cee10e9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=666&height=930

book is a type now

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1488603407638990918/en_aTr4BUvgih.png?ex=69cd6175&is=69cc0ff5&hm=1ad8f4bc7faa0427295d2cf79d809ecc490458bffa74d58221ae7a99c2e890e4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=579&height=809

[sudden lava]

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-3b5vpig99v/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/579424/1150422/IgnacioOfMyrasMarvels250__98946.1679603992.jpg?c=2

Hot new Ignacio tech

(cuz book type)

[tardy echo]

Desparked

[sleek ferry]

Sigh we’ll never have another Mc quite like Teferi

Who even is the MC right now

Loot?!?

[subtle sierra]

god fuck no

it's tam

but probably vraska/jace/loot trio

[sleek ferry]

I mean it’s eventually heading towards loot being an MC

Much like kid teferi

[subtle sierra]

needs more pixels

[sudden lava]

true

Point is, 1/1 is not bear stats

[tardy echo]

Oh that’s epic but not stupid

[sudden lava]

unless you are duskarna, rage mother is allowed to be a 5/5 base

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1487865375306678414/image.png?ex=69cd551c&is=69cc039c&hm=3e4a40098fafa568c641c9e8e2eec090e3a6b002a2b1ffce61be2a9447ec8c48&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=507&height=329

rest of the paradigm cycle colors

[glad peak]

I wish it were epic again

[steady onyx]

bro

[glad peak]

Epic had a cost and multiple of their cards were viable

[steady onyx]

spy combo is bruhoken

also gruul storm is SWEET

i wanna play gruul storm

butdont wanna submit myself or my friends to playing it or playing against it

[glad peak]

Wait wtf

[twilit canyon]

pretty big add

[glad peak]

Oh never mind it’s only arena

[steady onyx]

wao its misty!

[fallow citrus]

god I fucking HATE this

cool alt arts locked to arena

[hidden ermine]

One does wonder why they keep doing it

[sleek ferry]

I mean library of Alexandria is on the reserve list

[hidden ermine]

... oh right

That thing

I forgot about it

[fallow citrus]

still dont like it

they could have just.. kept the same sheet

[sleek ferry]

That’s why mud’s initial reaction was “wtf”

[golden plover]

Really funny the secret rendezvous card got revealed while hellscube has been adding a "JO" archetype

This came from someone editing one of the girls out of Secret Rendezvous and making it only target one player

[steady onyx]

breaking news, fuck the reserve list we reprinting that shit :)

all in tmnt bonus sheet

so its all turtle themeed

:0

[fallow citrus]

disgusting idea

[steady onyx]

trigger mtg elitesits

[zinc shard]

Cowards

[hidden ermine]

That's wack

[tardy echo]

Adding lesson subtypes to the cards just to buff izzet lessons gg

[twilit canyon]

thats fine to me. iirc theres only 5 lessons anyways

[golden plover]

Glad these are gonna be the only five lessons and no learn

Learn would've been MISERABLE into this standard

[twilit canyon]

learn but only cards that cost 5 or more could have been okay ig

[tardy echo]

Learn a card from the secrets of strixhaven set

[copper pecan]

learn would have been way too strong for standard

[golden plover]

God can you imagine stormchasers into learn into boomerang into learn into recall

[tardy echo]

Oh we’re still missing the boros student

I forgot he existed

[golden plover]

Nah they're just kinda lame

Also Kirol is they/them

[tardy echo]

Nobody posted this one sigh

[golden plover]

Because it's lame lol

[subtle sierra]

he might be lame but he's hot

[golden plover]

Although I'm sure things will say it's busted inimited

[tardy echo]

Sigh it’s still a new card

[golden plover]

They

[subtle sierra]

oh right

fuck me

[golden plover]

But hey, this one is better than Lluwen and Sanar ig

[tardy echo]

Wow I was looking at the artist who made mathemagics bc I liked the art

The artist really just draws every card like that

[subtle sierra]

oh the red lesson alt art was made by a lithuanian

it's my card forever now

[glad peak]

No one blew up here yet, right?

[subtle sierra]

i'm not sure if it works in forums/threads

nor do they have the activity to say

maybe if i released it during the reveals

[golden plover]

So this is getting a day 0 errata yeah?

They forgot the "X can't be 0"

[subtle sierra]

lol

i mean it taps but

[glad peak]

Wouldn’t it be fine since it taps?

[golden plover]

[[Intruder Alarm]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/86/intruder-alarm

Intruder Alarm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Creatures don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
Whenever a creature enters, untap all creatures.
One footstep among many is silent. One footstep alone is deafening.

[glad peak]

We finally broke intruder alarm

[golden plover]

Also goes infinite with thornbrite staff

Now if you have a way to get a counter on it or even just an impact tremors you win

[glad peak]

That’s completely fine

[copper pecan]

that's a 3 card infinite, they don't usually do anything to stop those

[glad peak]

It’s 3 cards for a combo that relies on you untapping or having haste

Not to mention one of the outlets don’t have the right colors

[golden plover]

Precedent has been this always gets errated

Endure in Dragonstorm got it

It's not that it's be too strong, but historically they don't allow 0/0 tokens

[glad peak]

Love this lil guy

[knotty ferry]

oh yeah i got hit with an infinite burn loop in arena the other day

i forgot the cards involved but it was like whenever you gain life deal damage

and just got burned from like 14 lol

[trail anvil]

jesus fuck

this is such a nice lifegain payoff, shame a lot of lifegain comes from creatures

[trail anvil]

doesn't this card slap for the treasure generation alone? the search seems like a damn good bonus too

[knotty ferry]

bruh i got gold 3 earlier today

and they threw my ass back in silver 4

h8 it here

[copper pecan]

yep the season ended today

[tardy echo]

We finally found a way to infinite with intruder alarm

[past socket]

Can’t believe it, they broke Intruder Alarm!

[trail anvil]

oh yeah also which boros leaves the graveyard cards even are there

I feel like most of it is just gonna be flashback and low cost reanimation

[tardy echo]

It’s kind of a theme in lorehold cards

The quint commander works with it too

[trail anvil]

well yeah I meant more outside of lorehold

iirc old quint works with that too

[past socket]

Kirol got quite jacked for sure

[trail anvil]

yeah, history buff is a fun pun

[tardy echo]

Ah then yeah just reanimates/flashbacks

Lorehold theming feels very odd to me compared to the other color pairs in strixhaven

Like all the other schools do actual in color things

[trail anvil]

fwiw ig there are cards like past in flames and underworld breach

there might be more of those cards than we can think of off the top of our head

[tardy echo]

Tbf those cards are part of the flashback theming

[sleek ferry]

Yo what if lorehold precon reprints breach

[tardy echo]

Also it’s funny how the way that bloomburrow tried to make green better was just by giving them stupidly big stat lines

2 mana 3/3 that’s graveyard hate 3 mana 4/4 vigilance reach sure why not

[golden plover]

No shot they put breach in a precon

[trail anvil]

I feel like that's been their recent philosophy with green

[golden plover]

It's a game changer

[trail anvil]

and then they just printed some busted cards

[golden plover]

Iirc they won't intentionally be putting game changers into precons now

[copper pecan]

iirc they intentionally wanted lorehold to feel different from past boros archetypes because they had done like two years in a row of every boros limited archetype being aggro and people were getting sick of it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1488725276778041516/image.png?ex=69cdd2f5&is=69cc8175&hm=7a1271bb58f1ad4a50b16b3519818043659b2675df3ad923f6d0b259453cbe2f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1409&height=800
i figured out what the watermark on this is

it's [[jace, keeper of secrets]]'s beltbuckle

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https://scryfall.com/card/40k/78★/keeper-of-secrets

Keeper of Secrets <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Demon
First strike, haste
Symphony of Pain — Whenever you cast a spell from anywhere other than your hand, this creature deals damage equal to that spell's mana value to target opponent.
To look upon one is to surrender every last shred of self-will.
6/4

[golden plover]

Oh so it is

[copper pecan]

you can see it in this art

[trail anvil]

wait so is jace responsible for warping the multiverse?

[tardy echo]

I appreciate that moreso just find it odd that of all the things they landed on it was that

Esp when all the other strixhaven schools, again, are very on color/blase for what they are

[copper pecan]

yeah that's what the plot has been about since thunder junction

[tardy echo]

Golgari is sacrifice/lifegain prismari is spellslinger quandrix is +1/+1 counters

Silverquill is… midrange good stuff…?

Couldn’t really tell you actually

[lusty trench]

Jace warps reality for snakeussy is a really funny plot line

[copper pecan]

the other ones were originally also going to be super different from what the archetypes normally do but they had to pull back on that for structural reasons

[tardy echo]

Sad!

I mean they’re trying to turn silverquill into like auras

Which while not super crazy out there is normally not something in black colors

[copper pecan]

quandrix was supposed to be go wide token spam, silverquil was auras + counters, prismari was mana value matters, idr what witherbloom was

[tardy echo]

So by this standard, we need to wait to go back to strixhaven 2 more times to get the fully realized schools

And at this rate, that means we’ll do it by 2038, after visiting New York 6 more times

[tardy echo]

But also the quandrix and prismari ones also still sound relatively like what they do idk

[trail anvil]

eh orzhov auras is kinda there like [[eriette of the charmed apple]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/202/eriette-of-the-charmed-apple

Eriette of the Charmed Apple <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Each creature that's enchanted by an Aura you control can't attack you or planeswalkers you control.
At the beginning of your end step, each opponent loses X life and you gain X life, where X is the number of Auras you control.
"Hush now. I need your beauty sleep."
2/4

[tardy echo]

Yeah I mean it’s there every once in a while

I just normally think of white first and blue second

For auras

And I guess green third but only for lands

[trail anvil]

and green for enchantress stuff

[tardy echo]

Green is super enchantress but all the auras are for lands

A lot of black auras are curses which would be cool to see back but idt would fit w the silverquill theming

They also have the weird token subtheme

Also chat place your bets now what the other old power spell prepare cards are gonna be

[trail anvil]

pay 3 life: prepare dark ritual

[tardy echo]

I’m guessing mind twist for black channel for green

I don’t even know what for white or red

Didn’t they say the whole cycle is gonna be stuff that isn’t commander legal

[trail anvil]

dang the entire cycle?

[tardy echo]

Ja

White is gonna be balance

[trail anvil]

channel would be funny

[tardy echo]

Channel does feel vaguely in line with witherbloom stuff in the set also

Green is channel red is fireball gg

Fastbond is a slightly less funny option

[trail anvil]

doesn't prepare have to be only instants and sorceries btw

[[falling star]] is the only red card for that

[tardy echo]

Oh true sigh

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https://scryfall.com/card/leg/145/falling-star

Falling Star <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Flip Falling Star onto the playing area from a height of at least one foot. Falling Star deals 3 damage to each creature it lands on. Tap all creatures dealt damage by Falling Star. If Falling Star doesn't turn completely over at least once during the flip, it has no effect.

[tardy echo]

Maybe they just lied then

[trail anvil]

I feel like it might just be lightning bolt low-key

[tardy echo]

What if gamble

[trail anvil]

could be

[knotty ferry]

We need this legal, I would cook with this card

[tardy echo]

I’m gonna lock it in and say white will be swords green will be natural order red will be gamble

If they’re actually using cards already legal in commander for the cycle then reanimate is the black one already

[trail anvil]

[[natural order]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/177/natural-order

Natural Order <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a green creature.
Search your library for a green creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
. . . but the price of Mangara's freedom was Asmira's life.

[trail anvil]

perhaps

red could be wheel of fortune too

[twilit canyon]

they love making wheel but worse for red

so i expect it to be wheel

[tardy echo]

I feel like we literally just got set mechanic wheel of fortune though

Not I feel like

We LITERALLY just got set mechanic wheel of fortune

[[raphaels technique]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/105/raphaels-technique

Raphael's Technique <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Sneak (You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Each player may discard their hand and draw seven cards.
"Change of plans!"

[tardy echo]

No way they’d double dip like that

[twilit canyon]

they fucking love shit set mechanic wof

[tardy echo]

I feel like they like to do it in alternates

One set gets set mechanic bolt the next gets set mechanic wheel

Like they don’t print set mechanic tutors every set

[twilit canyon]

hmmm kinda true

but i dont see them giving something bolt to prepare

[tardy echo]

Exactly

So I’m gonna say gamba for the plot

[twilit canyon]

gamble on a body

hmmmmm

if they were based, they'd do past in flames

[tardy echo]

I mean they just revealed ancestral recall on a body

[twilit canyon]

yeah but we know they only have enough cocaine for 1 insane pull like that

[tardy echo]

Prepare to cast mana geyser…

Spend mana to prepare

Cast mana geyser again