#Magic the Gathering

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subtle sierra
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so unless i misunderstood it

glad peak
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“During the declare blockers step” is the only relevant text here, it gives a special timing window that bypasses regular timing restrictions

subtle sierra
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sure ig

glad peak
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Essentially reading “you may cast this spell during the declare blockers step”, which already wouldn’t need rules text to specify

sleek ferry
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How many variants of zendikar rising full arts did we get

glad peak
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Just got this in

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Still no idea what the card is but if it’s copy pasted from the original then this would be rules text

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Sure hope that rules text changes

sleek ferry
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This seems more real

sudden lava
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Before previews for _Secrets of Strixhaven _​officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my _Duelist_​-style teasers where I give tiny hints of things to come. Note that I’m only giving you partial information.

First up, here are some things you can expect:

• An ability word returns which first appeared on a second visit to a popular plane

• Four of the five school get a new mascot (aka creature tokens and sometimes cards)

• A mythic rare cycle that grants your instants and sorceries old keywords

• A new mechanic that redoes an old mechanic without its drawback

• A spell which costs {X}{X}{U}

• A mechanic that has been in _Magic_​ for many years finally becomes a card name

• a 6/6 with a mana value of 1

• A new Pox spell

• A spell that grants a specific deciduous mechanic to any cards of two specific card types

• A cycle referencing iconic spells from Alpha

Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:

• “Whenever [CARDNAME] attacks, ...

sleek ferry
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As you cast it the creature becomes unprepared

glad peak
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a mechanic that has been in magic for many years finally becomes a card name

Woo welcome Storm, a card that gives the next card storm icant

glad peak
subtle sierra
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Creature – Giraffe

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🦒

golden plover
glad peak
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Very likely

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And if that’s the case then they created a MUCH bigger problem

golden plover
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You gotta remember WoTC keeps making things way softer so you don't feel bad about decisions

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Lmao true

glad peak
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I wouldn’t hate it if they put a “once per stack” clause in there

golden plover
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I dunno, they'd be stupid strong if they were all just more or less uncounterable

glad peak
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So to try and make counterspells feel less bad, they made every one of these spells have multikicker:copy this spell icant

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Actually, replicate is a more apt comparison

golden plover
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Lmao true. Honestly, people just need to get over it

glad peak
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Which does make sense thematically

golden plover
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Things are allowed to feel bad in magic

glad peak
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If you’re looking to prepare a thesis, then it’s expected for replication, but this is the arts school icant

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Arts isnt science and science requires replication nyaruhodo

twilit canyon
glad peak
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Yep it would be an elegant solution to a problem they made themselves nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
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Tbh I’m thinking about it now, even for the ancestral recall one, it would have been fine if it said “if this creature was casted, it enters prepared”

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Assuming it works how we’re assuming now and you can just ancestral recall a million times

glad peak
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This was definitely a design oversight theyre going to have to fix

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I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a last minute decision because someone got their prepared spell countered and hated it

sleek ferry
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Well I say we wait for the official text

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I think it’s more likely that somebody casted the blue one, it got removed, and they were like “hey why don’t we add a “when it enters it enters prepared”

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Ward 2 for all intended purposes is like the milder of ward costs tbf

glad peak
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I would hate to face this in the birthing ritual deck

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They can reliably get to it and they just drown you in value

sleek ferry
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They could also just add rules text to the prepare key word that state that for a creature to be prepared, it must be casted

golden plover
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I mean the easiest solution is to only let you use it once, regardless of it it resolved

glad peak
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It would but it wouldn’t keep the “counterspells feel bad so we give you the point back” thing they seem to have purposefully added

golden plover
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Who cares, get countered

glad peak
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That’s what I’m saying icant

trail anvil
tardy echo
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Maybe bargain?

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Thematically doesn’t really fit w the set but mechanically it would be v cool

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Watch it be a ravnica mechanic icant

gritty nest
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Have you guys seen the Strixhaven card with ancestral recall on it

trail anvil
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yeah it was posted earlier

copper pecan
tardy echo
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Wait what set is converge from

copper pecan
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battle for zendikar

knotty ferry
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I'm watching totalitarian community college

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I'm gonna become an mtg god

tardy echo
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Oh wtf I thought it was older than that

knotty ferry
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Yo with the new set coming out, what rotates out of standard?

copper pecan
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nothing

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rotation only happens once a year

knotty ferry
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Oh good

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Wait when

past socket
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Towards August iirc?

copper pecan
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new years

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they changed it starting with this year

sleek ferry
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Early 2027, no exact date set

knotty ferry
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Ok

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Good

sleek ferry
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We know the sets rotating out though

tardy echo
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It’s everything older than bloomburrow right

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Or is bloom also rotating

sleek ferry
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Bloom is rotating

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Wilds of Eldraine (WOE)
The Lost Caverns of Ixalan (LCI)
Murders at Karlov Manor (MKM)
Outlaws of Thunder Junction (OTJ)
The Big Score
Bloomburrow (BLB)
Duskmourn: House of Horror (DSK

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So we lose half the verges

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Cavern of souls

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Mistrise village

tardy echo
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Wait wtf duskmourn is leaving

sleek ferry
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Yes

tardy echo
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Before I got to cash in my enduring vitalities…

sleek ferry
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Duskmourn came out in late 2024, so it’s technically getting the least amount of time in the meta

tardy echo
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Extremely unfortunate for such a sick set

past socket
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o7 Duskmourn

tardy echo
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Overlords were one of my favorite cycles in a v long time

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Tbf we still have like 9 months

sleek ferry
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Overlords were indeed the coolest

past socket
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Loved the ones I’ve played with

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Particularly Hauntwoods and Mistmoors

tardy echo
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Imagine a world where overlords were legendary

past socket
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g and w respectively

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I will make Mistmoors a bloons all the same

copper pecan
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shout out to my ride or die oomfie overlord of the hauntwoods

tardy echo
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Hauntwoods was just so zucking cool

past socket
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I just overall understand them as Titan that can be casted earlier

twilit canyon
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hauntwoods one of the all time green cards ever maybe

past socket
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at the cost of not getting to swing with it for a few turns

tardy echo
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Far worse card than titan

twilit canyon
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in terms of balance, utility, viability, fun...

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i can think of a few others

past socket
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I’m not saying they’re better or worse

tardy echo
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Card just works on a v diff axis

past socket
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I just know they’re similar with some differences

tardy echo
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Part of why titan is the way it is is bc it grabs utility lands

past socket
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I mean the Titan cycle premise itself

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Enter and swing, do thing

tardy echo
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Ahh

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Thought you were comparing hauntwoods to prime time specifically

past socket
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No no

vivid hatch
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man excluding the sea gates and FoN belcher is extraordinarily cheap

past socket
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Not even close on that regard

sleek ferry
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Impending was just such a beautifully done mechanic

vivid hatch
past socket
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I was just noting the similarities of the Overlord and Titan cycle

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Though is more comparable to the Escape ones ig

tardy echo
past socket
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Enter n swing do thing with conditions

tardy echo
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I also hope we revisit duskmourn

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Status quo shift with multi colored overlords would be unbelievably cool

past socket
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Valgavoth do be having some potential as an antagonistic force

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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foundation sets are there to stay for a while longer than usuap

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usual

tardy echo
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Further pushing the weekly new foundation cards…

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Btw did you know rishkars expertise was in foundations @golden plover @sleek ferry

trail anvil
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part of foundations was that it was meant to last for 5 years

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for better or worse

tardy echo
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Seeing

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I mean I don’t want foundations to rotate I think it’s a sick set

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Just didn’t realize

trail anvil
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ye it's pretty nice

tardy echo
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Ok wait actually why did I gaslight myself into thinking doomblade was in foundations

sleek ferry
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Yeah, high key, if a new player wanted to buy a sealed product, I would tell them to open foundations

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You get so many usable cards out of it

tardy echo
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Aren’t all the current arena starter decks made out of cards only from foundations

sleek ferry
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Idk if it’s only foundations, but mostly for sure

tardy echo
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Not that those decks are super strong but the set is good for cutting your teeth on most types of decks

golden plover
tardy echo
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I’m just doing a social experiment where I see how far I can go saying “did you know x card is in foundations”

golden plover
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That was a good pick

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Totally reasonable card for that set

trail anvil
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my favorite foundations inclusion is [[zetalpa, primal dawn]]

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trail anvil
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flappy bird, the ultimate keyword soup and timmy's first bomb

sleek ferry
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Remember that black creature that used to exile it and get all its keywords

knotty ferry
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[[abyssal harvester]]

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Creature — Demon Warlock
manat: Exile target creature card from a graveyard that was put there this turn. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a Nightmare in addition to its other types. Then exile all other Nightmare tokens you control.
"Till the soil, spare no soul. / Neath the darkness, nightmares grow." —Children's nursery rhyme
3/2

knotty ferry
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This?

trail anvil
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[[urborg scavengers]]

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trail anvil
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keyword soup my beloved ❤️

tardy echo
subtle sierra
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mtgtop8 with the inaccurate naming again icant

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(it's just lessons)

subtle sierra
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nice excruciator idiot

sleek ferry
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Btw just as a heads up

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Ben Bateman talked about the AR card, and basically cleared the air and said that people should wait for the full spoilers before freaking out

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He also stated he’s already seen the set, and knows how prepare works

sleek ferry
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No, the card is real

tardy echo
golden plover
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Yeah surely they'll just say 0 errata the mechanic

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The card is strong but fair if the mechanic works how it's intended and not works as the rules say

sleek ferry
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I mean I don't think it would be an errata at all, I just think people spread a fake effect on how prepare works icant

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It literally made 0 sense for it to work on resolution

tardy echo
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Yeah for the record we still haven’t actually seen printed rules text

fallow citrus
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I think it works how it's written it's just the rules will say you can only cast a prepared spell once or smth

sleek ferry
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Or, it could require to tap the creature

fallow citrus
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there will be something

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they aren't just letting you AR 5 times in one turn

subtle sierra
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but what if they do clearly

fallow citrus
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then I would be bemused

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would actually be funny in mill

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in your opponent's upkeep just make them draw like 15 cards so they deck out

golden plover
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It can also be the second funniest response to thoracle

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The funniest is still cedh all star [[Angel's Grace]]

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golden plover
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"Whoops sorry your Thoracle loses you the game"

fallow citrus
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has this been posted yet

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seems really good for a 2 mana charm

subtle sierra
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this is insane

knotty ferry
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holy shit

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Why couldn't I have been born the son of an oil baron

tardy echo
lusty trench
atomic harness
knotty ferry
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Word me @sleek ferry

sleek ferry
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word

glad peak
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Huh I found Ben Bateman’s editor at locals

sleek ferry
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tell him Ben is the GOAT

glad peak
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I did nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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Well yeah prepare seems like a sick mechanic

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Maybe controversial opinion but as strong as the AR card is idt it’s still incredibly cool

glad peak
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Tbh I think the current text we have is a a mistranslation

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Translations are notoriously bad at getting exact wordings right

sleek ferry
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Mistranslation from the English tcg clearly

tardy echo
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I mean again have we actually seen a card with prepare rules text

copper pecan
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no

sleek ferry
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No, hence why I think the most likely scenario is people made up the rules text that everybody is floating around

copper pecan
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i think people should probably wait until we have actual confirmation of what it does before we start trying to evaluate the mechanic

tardy echo
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Yeah icant

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Someone just posted a rules text that for all we know literally doesn’t exist and then everyone started freaking out about it

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Imagine if we got a leaked speed card and everyone just pretended it went up whenever any player took damage anytime ever

glad peak
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I mean, that’s what we thought was going on when we first read it nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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And look how speed turned out

glad peak
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I also found something that’s apparently supposed to be from the mechanic explanation article that says preparation disappears on cast but of course nothing concrete yet

tardy echo
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Yeah how about we wait until we actually get an explanation from wotc icant

glad peak
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You saying you’ve never engaged in speculation? 334

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But yeah it’s pretty fun to think about if they really did mess that text up

tardy echo
tardy echo
glad peak
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I wish icant

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Reanimator’s fun but the problem isnt the outlet, it’s the enabler

tardy echo
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If u make a strong enough outlet the inconsistency of the enabler can be alleviated

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See goryos

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Not exactly the most consistent deck icant

glad peak
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Legacy already has the best outlet nyaruhodo

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Just not a fast enough enabler

tardy echo
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Sigh son why griselbrand when I can cast 10 ancestral recalls and deck my opponent

glad peak
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With what mana clearly

tardy echo
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I cast blue ritual

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gg

glad peak
tardy echo
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Question btw

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Can beseech cast suspend cards

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Or no

copper pecan
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it can

glad peak
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Yes

tardy echo
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Ok I’m seeing now

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I was trying to figure out how the 5c storm deck in legacy cast will icant

golden plover
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@subtle sierra have we considered esper otters

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For [[Unholy Annex]]

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Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber mana3manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

subtle sierra
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I mean, kinda

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Idk if it's worth

golden plover
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Yeah I don't think it's a good idea

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But it's an option

fallow citrus
tardy echo
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We’re 2 for 2 with good charms

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Which one do we think is gonna be unplayable dogshit

fallow citrus
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uhh

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selesnya

zinc shard
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Think this was leaked already but just in case

tardy echo
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Is there selesnya in strixhaven

glad peak
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Probably izzet

tardy echo
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My bet was gonna be simic

glad peak
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Red blue has usually been the dumping ground for cycles

fallow citrus
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nah izzet will be expressive iteration 2

tardy echo
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The golgari charm is gonna be greater good/doomblade/regrowth on a charm

glad peak
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Izzet’s will probably just do something to enable big spells icant

tardy echo
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Is prismari a big spell theme

glad peak
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Yep

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It’s an on cast + if 5+ mana then do something more

tardy echo
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Wao

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Oh some other strixhaven cards got revealed that weren’t posted in here

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1W 2/2 1 mana sac destroy artifact/enchantment

subtle sierra
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Does it have flash

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Cause this just worse cathar

sudden lava
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Izzet (Prismari), Boros (Lorehold), Golgari (Witherbloom), Simic (Quandrix), and Orzhov (Silverquil)

tardy echo
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I forgor to say

sudden lava
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Calling it now, prismari charm is gonna make a treasure

subtle sierra
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Or farm animals for that matter

tardy echo
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I mean it’s just a slop card that they print every so often

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White card that sacs to kill artifact is semi classic draft chaff

subtle sierra
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True

copper pecan
golden plover
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Please WoTC accidentally put Dualcaster mage into Strixhaven. It'd be so funny. Y'all gave up on pioneer anyways

sudden lava
tardy echo
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This might actually make me play commander…

glad peak
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Card’s meh

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Yet another gaea’s cradle double dipper

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Who could’ve thought cradle was a good card icant

fallow citrus
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affinity for creatures....

tardy echo
glad peak
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Not talking about how good it is

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I’m talking about design

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It’s yet another card that’s in that line of text

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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Green cheat card that lets you cheat spells and not just creatures is a weirdly uncommon thing

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It’s also why teval is so cool even if it’s also silly

glad peak
tardy echo
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Any green commander is broken* fixed that for you

glad peak
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That’s why gaea’s cradle is so good

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Nah, there’s a ton of shitters in green

tardy echo
glad peak
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Lot of green commanders read insane but do jack

tardy echo
glad peak
tardy echo
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My goat kamal fist of krosa

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Animate every land my opponent has then I ezuris predation gg

glad peak
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Rograhk solos everyone

tardy echo
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Nuh uh

glad peak
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You won’t get a chance to do any of that when you see poggy roggy on the top ropes

tardy echo
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How many natural order effects does green have in commander btw

glad peak
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The first witherbloom was pretty funny but bad colors

twilit canyon
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uh

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i knew before

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but how many are actually worth playing?

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idr that

tardy echo
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Idk

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How many are unconditional

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Is it literally just natural order

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I’m just wondering if there’s ever an angle where u play this in 99 over command zone bc you could cheat it faster icant

glad peak
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Unconditional? 2

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Natural order and Magus of the order

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There’s stuff like green sun’s and chord but those require tons of mana

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There’s pod effects too but bro’s 8 mana

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So funny enough, best deck to put this in the 99 of is… poggy roggy reyhan

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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It’s not a commander card

glad peak
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It’s a commander card let’s be honest

tardy echo
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But it’s probably only gonna be played in commander

glad peak
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They’ve been shoving in cards designed and tested only for commander into standard for about a decade now icant

tardy echo
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It’s a card designed for commander but is not literally a commander card

glad peak
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Indeed

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Wish they made all the commander designed cards bad

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Don’t want more instances of nadu hogaak uro

tardy echo
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Is hogaak even a commander card that’s just a them thing icant

twilit canyon
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hogaak was probably not intended for commander imo

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that card was way too pushed to have been imo

glad peak
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Weird mishmash of keywords with restriction is commander design but that was also the set of weird mishmashing of mechanics so who knows nyaruhodo

golden plover
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Iirc they did outright say Hogaak was designed as a commander card

twilit canyon
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yeah but i dont believe them lol

golden plover
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Because it cheats it's commander tax

tardy echo
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Idk hogaak feels like a card designed too much w having multiples of cards

golden plover
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Like I think that was explicitly the reason it was made that way

glad peak
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I think hogaak was designed specifically without testing for multiples of cards

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Because if they did then they would’ve realized it was too consistent

copper pecan
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iirc they did playtest it for modern but the people they brought in to playtest it didn't know about other non mh1 sets that weren't out yet so they weren't aware of [[sticher's supplier]]

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copper pecan
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which was what really broke hogaak

past socket
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I’m really happy with a Golgari Magnus the Red for the new Witherbloom

subtle sierra
glad peak
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Cedh is doing great things now for us I guess icant

tardy echo
glad peak
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It would’ve been funnier if it was quad etali or quad Rog thras

past socket
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Commanders Herald tends to deliver on good satire

fallow citrus
zinc shard
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These all seem pretty nutty

fallow citrus
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yeah I don't actually think there's a bad one this cycle

twilit canyon
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these are p strong wow

subtle sierra
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i wish prismari could do 2 to 1 target but yeah

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you know what's the best thing

glad peak
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Oh sick the prismari one isnt trash

subtle sierra
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i play 5c

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so i can play all of them

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(terrible idea)

twilit canyon
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never underestimate a fork

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not fucking fork

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lol

glad peak
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Theyre great to get a stab at

glad peak
knotty ferry
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Do charms do anything special

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Like does the name charm mean anythig

glad peak
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No theyre just charming

subtle sierra
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it's like pot of X

knotty ferry
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Ok so it's just an enchantment like any other

subtle sierra
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an old cycle of cards

knotty ferry
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I see

subtle sierra
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instant

knotty ferry
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Oh

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Yeah

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True

fallow citrus
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which one started the cycle originally

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was it archmages

subtle sierra
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archmage's?

twilit canyon
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no

subtle sierra
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i doubt it's the ravnica ones

glad peak
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Charming prince isn’t an instant nyaruhodo

twilit canyon
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archmage's charm is relatively new

knotty ferry
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Based on my limited knowledge, these seem really flexible

twilit canyon
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ye

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that is the point of charms

glad peak
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It was the 3c dragon charms

twilit canyon
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[[piracy charm]]

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glad peak
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Archmage’s charm is hella new wtf

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Oh right I forgot about 1 mana charms

trail anvil
twilit canyon
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[[chaos charm]]

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twilit canyon
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[[ebony charm]] iirc?

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twilit canyon
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i have no fucking idea what the white one was called

glad peak
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[[Dawn charm]] I think?

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subtle sierra
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sorted by release

twilit canyon
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hmmmm

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oh cool

subtle sierra
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ivory

twilit canyon
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ivory

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wtf

glad peak
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Oh I wasn’t even close icant

subtle sierra
twilit canyon
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that wasnt even terrible ig the others were just way more notable

glad peak
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The white black charm is very very good

twilit canyon
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but yeah they only started becoming better come ravnica

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boros charm my goat

glad peak
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Not good enough to make a deck out of though, so likely no deck will play the silverquill one

trail anvil
glad peak
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Until white black gets more decks

trail anvil
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this card is hype

glad peak
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Boros charm my favorite nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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boros charm my hated

glad peak
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The commands are a fun cycle

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Instants where you choose 2 modes

trail anvil
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why do you hate boros charm pensivecowboybread

twilit canyon
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control player

subtle sierra
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i hate aggro

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yeah

glad peak
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But ye [[charming prince]] is a charm and isnt an instant nyaruhodo

trail anvil
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so one-track smh

subtle sierra
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my friend doesn't call me a control addict for nothing

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twilit canyon
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neither is [[charming scoundrel]]

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glad peak
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Control players are much more one track minded and less disciplined than aggro players from what I’ve seen icant

subtle sierra
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look i didn't filter by instant, guess i die

trail anvil
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wait that's so silly

glad peak
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Helps when your deck is designed to pull you back into the game at all times nyaruhodo

trail anvil
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that was intentional though no? by wizards

twilit canyon
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correct

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on both fronts

subtle sierra
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look i just wanna have 50 life with cornucopia

glad peak
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Yep the Prince and scoundrel are intentional

twilit canyon
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it is also really annoying how they have added charm or charming to cards and not given them 3 abilities at least

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like at least [[obsidian charmaw]] has 3 lines of text

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twilit canyon
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why couldnt eriette of the charmed apple also have 3 abilities

subtle sierra
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because the she does, the card is the apple, so it doesn't

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duh

trail anvil
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yeah or goblin charmbelcher!

subtle sierra
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i fucked up that joke

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kill me

trail anvil
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okay gunL

subtle sierra
glad peak
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Stop gaining life then nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
#

no

twilit canyon
trail anvil
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this beledros is actually something I need yesterday though

subtle sierra
trail anvil
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genuinely went from the worst elder dragon in the first set to the best in this one

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I don't need to see the rest to know

glad peak
#

Nah, we saw lorehold

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Easily much better

subtle sierra
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lorehold is almost a 5 mana do nothing

trail anvil
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miracle with drawing each turn is cute but eh

subtle sierra
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idk if i like him

glad peak
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Kinda funny how lorehold continues to be a turns based card with no blue

twilit canyon
#

you will play jeskai

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and you wont play commander unless you really like sundial of the infinite

glad peak
#

Finally a card built with commander not on their mind

twilit canyon
#

we need to kill eldrazi players

glad peak
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we need to kill energy players

subtle sierra
#

ptcg players in shambles

glad peak
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After they went down the wrong path of how handtraps should work, they deserve it

subtle sierra
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how do they work there

glad peak
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They don’t anymore

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But for a bit there were 2 cards, one of them being veiler

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And that was too much for them and the community outcry forced them to never touch that design space ever again

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At the same time yugioh was experimenting with veiler nyaruhodo

zinc shard
trail anvil
#

Josh really does love his shorikai

glad peak
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Shorikai’s a fun deck, don’t blame him nyaruhodo

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Even more fun with fiddlebender and emry and sewer cam froghead

tardy echo
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Its village rites (almost greater good trust) and sort of a doomblade (better than doom blade probably trust)

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Just not a regrowth sighge

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2 mana gain 5 is like actually good rate for a charm though no

glad peak
#

Ehh for a charm with a lot more flexibility? Sure

tardy echo
#

All of these charms are pretty decent idk

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Esp compared to the ones standard has been getting for a while

glad peak
#

Boros charm would be the worst of these 5 from the looks of it

zinc shard
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Lets all play slivers and not tell Josh

tardy echo
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Yeah and it still seems pretty good all things considered idk

glad peak
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The weakness of boros charm is that the first mode is pretty bad, second mode is very niche and/or hard to set up, third mode is good but nowhere near enough to carry

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I think it’s mostly fine?

trail anvil
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wait is beledros standard playable?

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elf into cub into some revolting discounts

glad peak
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It would be but I’m not too sure about using all my ramp to get a guy where all he does is ramp

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But there’s enough gsz effects now that maybe?

trail anvil
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rhythm into hoof? KEKW

glad peak
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Why do I need beledros for that clearly

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Now if you had said rhythm rhythm double hoof then now we’re talking EZ

trail anvil
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true!

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your new hoof discounts the next rhythm by 1 too lul

glad peak
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So my friend who’s obsessed with red built mono red in modern PoyoyoThumbsUp

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Bad news is I have to tell him his deck’s illegal

twilit canyon
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fury?

glad peak
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Chain lightning and fireblast and price of progress are not legal froghead

twilit canyon
#

holy

glad peak
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Yeah I know icant

twilit canyon
#

that is a significantly more unreasonable set of adds (not chain)

glad peak
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And then he starts whining (yes actually) icant

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Love the guy but no mono red doesn’t have to be good everywhere

past socket
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Eyy Satya!

fallow citrus
#

and bait used to be believable

glad peak
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Yeah it’s not real

past socket
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font’s off

glad peak
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If it were real then it would’ve been a legendary creature and had an activated ability for 2 mana to prepare it

fallow citrus
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nearly all the replies think it's real it's quite entertaining

tardy echo
past socket
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Leave it to X, the disinformation app!

tardy echo
past socket
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Can’t believe I noticed the font on the bottom instantly

fallow citrus
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it's so obvious

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also it uses the art from [[thopter pie network]]

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tardy echo
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It’s also carrying a literal black lotus card icant

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Anyways this card is the buff affinity needs to be playable in modern word me @fallow citrus

fallow citrus
past socket
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Can we have more joybaiting instead of ragebaiting

fallow citrus
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don't even think this is ragebaiting

past socket
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It’s ragebaiting for the purposes of farming engagement because a certain ket fiend thought rewarding engagement bait was a good idea

fallow citrus
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so it's just engagement farming

past socket
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And outrage is what gets the most engagement

sleek ferry
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Some small pickups

fallow citrus
#

expedition fetch sheesh

sleek ferry
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Best fetches with the best border

knotty ferry
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WE ARE COOKING

knotty ferry
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Do you guys have any recs for YouTube channels to watch for learning the game/explaining strategy past the basics?

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I'm watching some totalitarian community college videos but was wondering if there's anything else

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And for standard, not commander

fallow citrus
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uhh

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not standard but andrea mengucci is an amazing competitive player for explaining his thought processes etc

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he does modern pauper legacy etc

fallow citrus
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depends if you appreciate just good game sense or format dependent knowledge

twilit canyon
knotty ferry
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Ok ty

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I'll check out both

sleek ferry
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He also competed in the first PT Reid Duke ever went to

knotty ferry
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Lol

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Ok

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@sleek ferry is cgb canadian

glad peak
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So I’m wrong, the boros one is actually insane

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Easily the best

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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Michigan so basically canadian

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Interesting

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Im watching one of his vids, it's pretty good

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Dimir control with Sean Washington, librarian

sleek ferry
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In terms of being entertaining he’s top notch. He’s also a pretty good standard player

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If you want to learn how to get better at draft, than Kenji is far and away the best for that on YouTube

tardy echo
atomic harness
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gamers

tardy echo
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Does it start with an R and end with an ogakh

atomic harness
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isn't this insane

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1st and 2nd modes are cracked

fallow citrus
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probably the least insane one but still good yeah

tardy echo
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Idk boros is prob worse than this one

atomic harness
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Can someone pull up voros and silverquil (orzhov)

tardy echo
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The fact that this is just an actual quench and not specific to noncreature or whatever

fallow citrus
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the boros twins

glad peak
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No one here plays modern icant

atomic harness
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Yeah it hits creatures

glad peak
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Boros energy nyaruhodo

atomic harness
fallow citrus
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it's like 1 or 2 of in energy

atomic harness
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but then they banned fury and grief

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icant

tardy echo
glad peak
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Compared to a 0 of for the other charms nyaruhodo

fallow citrus
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the best thing it does in energy is out scion of draco lowkey

tardy echo
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Orzhov is uh

atomic harness
tardy echo
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Drain 3 kill nonland <2 and +2/2

glad peak
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The best thing it does is buy back ajani nyaruhodo

atomic harness
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Silverquil was good when I read it iirc

fallow citrus
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yeah if we're talking peak value sure

tardy echo
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Well yeah in modern the boros card is gonna be good icant

atomic harness
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it was like vanishing verse at home

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speaking of which can we have vanishing verse back

glad peak
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And then if you have some creatures it’s a win

atomic harness
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[[vanishing verse]]

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fallow citrus
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it just does everything boros wants in a niche card

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all of those modes will be used

atomic harness
glad peak
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Imagine wanting to blow up rhystic in a blue green x deck

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In what world does rhystic hurt you when you’re play Rog thras or kinnan icant

atomic harness
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Hmm what do we blow up with it then

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[[quench]]

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knotty ferry
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Ok in this video I'm watching, cgb's opponent keeps summoning [[restless reef]], and cgb says he's doing this because he has a restless reef in hand and wants to clear it. Why would you want to do this? Can you not have multiple restless reefs?

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knotty ferry
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Actually let me just link it

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From 7:32 to like 8:05

copper pecan
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idk what he's talking about, you can have multiple reefs

knotty ferry
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He says it's to "unlock" the reef in his hand

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Does unlock mean something in mtg

copper pecan
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no

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well it does but it wouldn't make sense in the context of reef

glad peak
copper pecan
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unlock is when you cast a room from the battlefield

atomic harness
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but no yeah the first mode is probably the best one

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quench-sama...

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
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ok

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makes sense ig

sleek ferry
# knotty ferry makes sense ig

Think about it this way, you’re playing a deck where reef is a critical part of your wincon, you’re vsing another blue/black deck, so you know it’s extremely likely that they have removal + you already know about the demo field. As the opposing player in this matchup, using demo is the best way to maximize your resources here

knotty ferry
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?

sleek ferry
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Considering his hand, and the info he has available? Yes

knotty ferry
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Yeah

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That makes sense to me

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From the perspective of his opp, he wants to force out the demolition field and there's no reason to show info before doing that

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So it makes sense

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Cool

tardy echo
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Sometimes you play taps on weird turns or at times when it’ll feel bad so that you have less odd mana later

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Otherwise if I have 2/3x reefs in my hand it’ll feel like dogshit if I play all my untapped lands and then I’m basically 1-2 land drops behind in terms of actual mana

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Oh it was something else thugs explained

atomic harness
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How good is imposter mech? @glad peak

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[[imposter mech]]

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knotty ferry
copper pecan
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when the mecha is sus

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🧯

knotty ferry
#

.

tardy echo
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It depends on the deck/mu/hand everything

glad peak
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Imposter Mech is only good if you’re running all the other clones and want one more like in kinnan

sleek ferry
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Imposter mech is better than fucking what’s it called

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Flesh duplicate

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It’s also good if you play a deck that can win with devoted druid

glad peak
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Not in kinnan it’s not nyaruhodo

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But also mech being good with Druid isnt really that big of a deal ngl (mostly because no one plays that line nowadays)

atomic harness
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What about phyrexian metamorph chan

glad peak
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Better than mech and flesh

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Being able to snipe an artifact is good

atomic harness
knotty ferry
#

Silver 2

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Does any meta deck actually play that enchantment

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That draws 1 on upkeep

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At cost of life

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Pyrex arena

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I've faced it a few times but idk if it's just low elo/budget strats

sleek ferry
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Phyrexia arena hasn’t been good since the stone ages

knotty ferry
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Holy...

past socket
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My brain jsut associates Devoted Druid with Myrkul, Lord of Bones

knotty ferry
#

Yo is there a strat against this blue red otter deck

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I've faced it twice, I just won against it, but it feels so hard to beat

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Idk how I won I think my opp messed ip

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It was playing [[storm chaser talent]]

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knotty ferry
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To summon guys

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And then this equipment creature summoning card

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Astrology something

subtle sierra
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Ok so planisphere sucks, but stormchasers is just a meta card

knotty ferry
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I can't interact with artifacts or enchantments so I feel like I have to just use my removal on the tokens? Idk if theres anything better

subtle sierra
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You have to remove the tokens

knotty ferry
#

That feels so bad

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Holy

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Oh they also had a planeswalker

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That summoned guys

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Idk if that's normal

subtle sierra
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The problem is, once they have boomerang and 6 mana, they can look stormchasers

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Walkers summoning guys is incredibly common

knotty ferry
#

I mean the specific one

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I forgot the name

subtle sierra
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Give me the colors

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And mana cost

knotty ferry
#

His deck was blue red

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The Planeswalker went +1

subtle sierra
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[[ral crackling]]

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Legendary Planeswalker — Ral
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put a loyalty counter on Ral.
+1: Create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.
−3: Draw three cards, then discard two cards.
−10: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "Instant and sorcery spells you cast have storm." (Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
Loyalty: 4

knotty ferry
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To summon

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Yeah him

subtle sierra
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Ral is a good card, you just need walker removal

knotty ferry
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The only card I have for planeswalkers is uhhh

subtle sierra
#

For dimir that's [[bitter triumph]]

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knotty ferry
#

Bitter triumph?

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Yeah

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That

past socket
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Even more Dimir bros in this forum lol

glad peak
#

There’s a lot of ways to win around it

#

Chief of which is to just kill them before they can really get value

subtle sierra
#

Thank you wotc for your functional app

subtle sierra
#

Lmao i got kicked out of a game, rejoined and

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Game got a bit funky

#

The corrupted battlefield...

atomic harness
#

[[unholy annex]]

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Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber mana3manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

atomic harness
#

You gain life your opp gets burned and you get the cards faster

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And you can cash in a big chungus

trail anvil
#

used to be all over standard pensivecowboybread

atomic harness
#

is it unviable now

trail anvil
#

I think standard is too fast for it

atomic harness
#

True...

trail anvil
#

the format used to be dimir midrange's playground but now you have fast decks instead

twilit canyon
#

annex is great but yea standard aggro is good

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u never wanna be stuck in a spot where your annex will just kill you due to the opponent's aggro

trail anvil
#

I'm kinda sad cause all the cards I crafted for standard a few months ago have gone out of favor 😭

subtle sierra
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New account time clearly

trail anvil
#

I play non-rotating formats, nothx

sleek ferry
knotty ferry
#

wow

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i just played vs the most aids deck

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and ofc its white

#

summons a bunch of tokens and copies them

#

summoned a knight with vigilance

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IM HARDSTUCK SILVER 2

subtle sierra
#

can arena not break on me 3 times a day

golden plover
#

Oh and now mine isn't working at all because I closed it lol

subtle sierra
#

yeah arena is down

tardy echo
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Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber mana3manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

tardy echo
#

Which is actually a v good card

golden plover
#

Phyrexian Arena is in fact standard legal

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But... It's bad

#

They patched it into foundations

tardy echo
#

No I know

#

That wasn’t patched it was an og for me

#

I just mean the closest card you’ll see in standard

#

Other formats have different, better phyrexian arenas

golden plover
#

Actually I think it was a buy a box promo too for foundations

#

Yeah that card has been there the whole time

tardy echo
#

The actual wtf is this card doing in standard one for me is confidant

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And that’s not even foundations

golden plover
#

Notably he's a wizard

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Meaning he might be relevant for the Strixhaven wizard support

tardy echo
#

Syncopate was also in final fantasy what’s up w that icant

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I knew there was a counterspell I was forgetting that got reprinted

knotty ferry
#

Is this real or cooe

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Cope

sleek ferry
#

Maybe at lower ranks?

golden plover
#

This is totally cope

sleek ferry
#

I've literally never had this in mythic

golden plover
#

It can feel that way sometimes

#

But it's not real lol

knotty ferry
#

Sigh

#

Cgb viewers are troll

sleek ferry
#

I mean you have to remember

#

The average viewer is bad at the game

#

You are blessed to have people like me, Saint and Misty here to lead you to the light

copper pecan
#

the only format that has anything even remotely like this is brawl and that pretty much only takes the commander into account

#

no ranked queues have anything like that

golden plover
#

Iirc brawl has a bunch of cards with hidden point scores that push you up and down tiers

copper pecan
#

it used to but iirc they lowered it so much that it effectively doesn't matter

golden plover
#

Gotcha. I know it used to have some crazy stuff like fetches adding 50 points and Mox Amber adding 100

sleek ferry
#

Sol ring + 500 points

golden plover
#

Sol Ring isn't in brawl

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But it'd be funny to add it and have it immediately send you to hell queue

tardy echo
sleek ferry
#

I might just have to pick this up

#

That winter orb is sick

tardy echo
#

The crawler looks amazing

#

Hiding the worst fears and narset sighge

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Also I like the implication that island is a salty card

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(I agree)

sleek ferry
#

Well worst fears is the least playable card in here but hiding the narset is sad

tardy echo
#

It’s still a sick card son

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Discount for 7 with the new witherbloom gg

sleek ferry
#

Now you’re using your noggin

sleek ferry
#

If he wanted cube advice, maybe I would send spatula your way mud

glad peak
#

I play more formats than cube clearly

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Im not a devout standard player tho yep icant

twilit canyon
#

i do find it funny i got mentioned when i havent played standard in a month or so

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fwiw i can dm jim and he can hook me up with standard tech and catch up quickly

glad peak
#

i only play modern recently because it's hype (other than eldrazi those variants are mid af)

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actually fleshraker is one of my all time favorite cards but eldrazi as a deck is residentsleeper froghead

sleek ferry
#

I wonder what the rare cycle for strixhaven will be

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Rare land cycle*

tardy echo
#

Let’s get typed cycling lands back in standard clearly

knotty ferry
#

silver 1

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holy shit

#

im catching up to areo

zinc shard
knotty ferry
#

I just looked at the timeline for sets in 2026

#

Star trek? People still watch that shit?

sleek ferry
#

Star Trek has potential due to edge of eternities being so good

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But I don’t really care for the medium

knotty ferry
#

What does edge of eternities have to do with star trek

#

Marvel is like iron man and shit right

#

Black panther, Paul rudd

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Idk what else

subtle sierra
#

star trek has spaceships

knotty ferry
#

Oh captain america

knotty ferry
golden plover
#

Oh these are all gonna have the same art lol

#

Also why is Mind white? Feels like it should be blue

hidden ermine
#

Hmmm

#

No I think white makes sense

#

Its ultimate power is linking all minds into one, and beyond that its basically allowing your inherent powers to be amplified or for you to gain telekinesis and telepathy, improved by the strength of your soul

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Telepathy is the only part thats like, clearly blue

golden plover
#

Blue is almost always the mental color

#

I guess Space is blue then?

hidden ermine
#

Probably

#

Green is Power, Red is Time, and Reality is ?

twilit canyon
#

that

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hmmmm

#

reality would fit white too

hidden ermine
#

Reality I feel is too broad and too generally powerful to really work for a single colour

twilit canyon
#

you toss it as the special stone as wurbg

#

lol

hidden ermine
#

Either that

golden plover
#

One of them has to be colorless anyways

hidden ermine
#

Or it requires colourless mana

twilit canyon
#

oh actually

golden plover
#

Yeah

twilit canyon
#

good point

golden plover
#

There's 6 stones

twilit canyon
#

reality = colorless

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with a 1c casting cost

golden plover
#

One has to be colorless

twilit canyon
#

i forget that you can just make a stone colorless

hidden ermine
#

Tbh part of the issue of mapping them to colours is that blue was just given "all the weird magic"

twilit canyon
#

fits eldrazi theme with reality too i guess

hidden ermine
#

So time, space, mind, all of those give powers that are represented by blue cards

knotty ferry
#

wait

hidden ermine
#

Im thinking space is blue just because no other colour really would fit space all that well

knotty ferry
#

POST MALONE owns the one ring?

#

WTF

golden plover
copper pecan
golden plover
#

Not everything can cleanly translate to 1 of 5 colors

knotty ferry
#

@sleek ferry we need to get rich

golden plover
#

So you'll see weird misses in color sometimes

hidden ermine
#

Its not even neccessarily a UB issue as much as its "early magic was not very well planned ahead" issue

golden plover
#

Yeah true. But at least in universe it's consistent at this point

hidden ermine
#

Also imagine if we get an infinity gauntlet alongside the sixth stone and its casting cost is WUBRGC

knotty ferry
#

Is this real

subtle sierra
#

yes

sudden lava
knotty ferry
#

Holy

#

Plows and Shareholders is the 🐐

glad peak
#

Correct

#

Too bad it’s not standard playable

tardy echo
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
#

It’s a promo

knotty ferry
#

Promos aren't legal???

sleek ferry
#

It’s a promo from PSA

knotty ferry
#

So when I did TMNT draft, I got a pack of 3 promos. Are those not usable

sleek ferry
#

For being signed up to their magazine

#

Those are yes

knotty ferry
#

Oh ok

#

Good

glad peak
#

Well

#

Depends

tardy echo
knotty ferry
#

Ok but why is it not legal in standard

#

Isn't standard everything released from 2024 onwards

#

Idk if it's 24 or 23

tardy echo
#

Swords is not printed in a standard legal set

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Promos/secret lairs/anything similar do not count as actual sets

sleek ferry
#

It has to be printed in a set yeah

tardy echo
#

If swords was printed in standard right now it would probably get banned anyways lol

knotty ferry
#

Wow

#

Interesting...

twilit canyon
#

instant ban yeah

copper pecan
#

swords is probably the strongest single-target removal spell ever printed

#

there is no way they would ever print it into standard again

glad peak
#

I wouldn’t mind it coming to modern though

#

Solitude is so powerful because it’s free and can be repeatable

subtle sierra
#

Even heavily nerfed versions of it were meta

#

Lay down arms my beloved

stark skiff
glad peak
#

One day

copper pecan
#

maro fursona reveal

atomic harness
#

[[LAY DOWN ARMS]]

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tardy echo
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tardy echo
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And as an even more extreme example as stated [[lay down arms]] was v good

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trail anvil
#

I miss it in monowhite pensivecowboybread

sudden lava
#

precons are on the first

twilit canyon
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thinking on people building fully defensive decks in cedh now, i want to play [[marchesa, dealer of death]] because of how she and clones + obm interact together and against rhystics while allowing me to keep my own rhystics

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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay mana1. If you do, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the other into your graveyard. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
"You should have folded when you had the chance."
3/4

knotty ferry
tardy echo
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And think abt how much worse it is than swords

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In literally every conceivable way

sleek ferry
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Seam rip and portable hole are so good

knotty ferry
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There was another enchantment I've faced a lot

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It gives the creature ward

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I rhink

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And also exiles target permanent

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And it's wh*te

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Forgot the name tho

tardy echo
tardy echo
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Which is 99% of the reason nowhere to run sees play

knotty ferry
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This one

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I fucking hate that card

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I've been hit by it like 30 times

tardy echo
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It’s a v annoying card

knotty ferry
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Holy fuck

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Just played against some cancer shit

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[[Clarion conqueror]]

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knotty ferry
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I got cooked

twilit canyon
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torpor orb and its consequences have been a disaster for creature desi-

tardy echo
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Wow! Thank god they’d never print torporb into standard again! That would be disastrous!

subtle sierra
subtle sierra
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best card in the game clearly

atomic harness
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@twilit canyon @glad peak I heard the cedh kids are noticing subtlety

twilit canyon
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eh kinda

glad peak
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Nah it’s just one more piece of free interaction in free interaction rhystic slop

twilit canyon
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it was always a known good card just like

glad peak
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And it’s not too hard to meet the requirements and isnt easy to bypass like daze

twilit canyon
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if your deck needs subtlety, your deck is weird

glad peak
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Even the rhystic slop decks don’t really run it all the time too icant

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Speaking of, Sam black drafted up a Rog ishai deck that uses cards that discard draw on cast and kozilek to recycle the deck to keep playing with rhystics and rhystic clones

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At some point you gotta win and that point’s gotta be way before that becomes relevant, no? icant

atomic harness
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Idk why this stuff is so popular

twilit canyon
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magic players love drawing cards

atomic harness
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I think kinnan doing it is cool, the rhystic spam I mean

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bc you have a lot of mana to spare unlike rogshai

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And you can spin into the clones to begin w

glad peak
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Rog gives you faster mana than kinnan nyaruhodo

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That being said I want to see if marchesa can have legs when people decide to only play these types of decks

sleek ferry
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Kinnan has always been cool because everything he does is cool

zinc shard
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lol

glad peak
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i wonder what card that is

subtle sierra
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yeah me too

zinc shard
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Better be prepared

glad peak
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cards don't look the same clearly

glad peak
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Totally a real card nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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got into plat while testing simic mill

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it's quite decent ig

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i might get it irl

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it's just a diff flavour of control

subtle sierra
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arena is down again

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yay

knotty ferry
past socket
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Nice choice of Basics

stark skiff
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Boo where’s the avatar ones

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Also the ass creed ones are underrated

subtle sierra
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i'm a basic bitch and i love the karlov ones

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i just find them pretty

copper pecan
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i like the dmu basics

knotty ferry
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Looks like AI art

copper pecan
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it's stained glass

subtle sierra
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it's just a stained glass asthetic

past socket
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Agreed on both MKM and DMU

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NEO’s are amazing too

twilit canyon
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i use the full art space basics

trail anvil
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karlov ones are just some of the best ones

glad peak
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My favorite are the pizza lands

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sleek ferry
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I fully switched to EoE ones

past socket
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Given the mountain especially, fair.

glad peak
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Ok marchesa in cedh isnt good but it’s funny to punish overly rhystic brained players by playing obm and outdrawing them icant

sleek ferry
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I mean the issue is that all grixis decks literally play the same aside from rog si

sudden lava
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best plains art imo

glad peak
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There’s 3 versions of Rog si alone

sudden lava
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One day I gotta pick up 32 of these in foil, not expensive anyway

glad peak
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Actually yeah almost every grixis deck plays differently but has the same plan b and c clearly