Magic the Gathering

[glad peak]

A bunch of people were mad at one card which showed garruk finally catching her because the art normalized violence against women or something, I never understood where that came from

[past socket]

Actual bought the precon today and had a go with it for kicks and got a wild game

Still taking it apart but damn it was fun

[stark skiff]

Tmnt? Yea it’s actually decent out of the box.

[atomic harness]

Good job

[past socket]

Went with Leo and Donnie and got to like 84 with Leo, Level Up and High Score

Now I know how my mate suffers from success with friggin’ Hamza

[urban crane]

Got to borrow a maelstrom deck yesterday damn that deck was fun

[past socket]

Me with a friend’s Felothar deck today

Hoo boy ECL Doran is nasty

[tardy echo]

Ok this one is just people wanting to get mad

[honest berry]

“If evil, why hot?” logic

[tardy echo]

Even beyond that like idk bad things can happen to your main characters

[knotty ferry]

Bro I just played vs some crazy strat

It was a blue deck

With

[[omniscience]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/161/omniscience

Omniscience <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs.
"The things I once imagined would be my greatest achievements were only the first steps toward a future I can only begin to fathom." —Jace Beleren

[knotty ferry]

And then he used some transaction rollback type shit

To copy it

@sleek ferry are there side deck cards people play to counter enchantment decks? I def misplayed by not being aggro enough, but I hate how I cant interact with enchantments or artifacts

[golden plover]

If they hard cast omni you were never winning that one, you weren't closing it out fast enough

If they cheated it out with [[Kona, Rescue Beastie]] that's much easier to interact with

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/187/kona-rescue-beastie

Kona, Rescue Beastie <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Beast Survivor
Survival — At the beginning of your second main phase, if Kona is tapped, you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.
She's got a heart of gold, a nose for danger, and jaws that can pulverize a cellarspawn with a single snap.
4/3

[knotty ferry]

Nah they copied it

[golden plover]

That deck likely runs cavern of souls, so your mileage for counterspell varies

[knotty ferry]

I was actually pretty far ahead, I think I misplayed the creatures I summoned

[golden plover]

But counters and killing Kona are your best bets

[golden plover]

How'd they play it in the first place tho?

[knotty ferry]

Let me find the card they cheated it with

It was blue

1 colorless 3 blue

1, 3U? Is that how it's written?

It was something about crime

[[reenact the crime]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/70/reenact-the-crime

Reenact the Crime <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target nonland card in a graveyard that was put there from anywhere this turn. Copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
At Proft's command, an ethereal model of the ransacked workshop sprang into being, every detail perfectly recreated. He'd missed something—he knew it—but what?

[knotty ferry]

So he discarded it

And copied

Tbh I think he got unlucky, I wouldve probably been behind on average since he set up this artifact/enchantment that drew a card every turn

[subtle sierra]

Reenact isn't even the best way to cheat omniscience

It's mostly kona, as saint said

It was abuelo's before but that got yeeted

[sleek ferry]

[[naga fleshcrafter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/52/naga-fleshcrafter

Naga Fleshcrafter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Snake Shapeshifter
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield.
Renew — , Exile this card from your graveyard: Put a +1/+1 counter on target nonlegendary creature you control. Each other creature you control becomes a copy of that creature until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
0/0

[knotty ferry]

Well that's what they used bro

What can I do

Tbh I misplayed I can't even be mad

I keep forgetting that if I'm not turn player, I have to do shit before they proceed to combat

I gave them a free draw

With Gran Gran

Cause I forgot I needed to pop it before they go to combat, because the literal first thing they can do is tap it

I forgot that you tap on declaration

[subtle sierra]

You can pop it at start of combat

If anything that's preferable cause you take their battle away

But it's a small difference

[sleek ferry]

He would have needed to go into full control, otherwise it always defaults to them going to declare attackers phase

[golden plover]

You should also probably be boarding [[Soul Guide Lantern]] or [[Strategic Betrayal]] rn anyways

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/143/soul-guide-lantern

Soul-Guide Lantern <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/94/strategic-betrayal

Strategic Betrayal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target opponent exiles a creature they control and their graveyard.
As Sultai blades threatened Qatros city walls, Mehtma of House Fenzala turned her weapons on her political rivals.

[sleek ferry]

he could have also popped at end of m1

[golden plover]

Betrayal won't stop this specific card

But lantern can be used in response to reenact

[subtle sierra]

Nope

[golden plover]

Although, I'd rather counter it

[subtle sierra]

At least it doesn't for me

If i have a get lost the game stops before declaring attackers

[golden plover]

Also, sometimes for Omni, it's worth making them play it out

If they start looping Marangs they've got it

But sometimes the Omni deck will present Omni hoping you scoop

[sleek ferry]

Just how sometimes I present Harmonizer with 1 red mana up hoping they concede

[golden plover]

I mean that doesn't work against Dimir lol

You show me a harmonizer with 1 red and I go "Shoot the Sheriff"

[sleek ferry]

Depends, if it’s an izzet land, I just go spell snare/pierce. holding priority to bait out removal separates the good harmonizer players from the bad ones

But usually if you see harmonizer into fabled passage, you’re already dead

Unless you have triple removal

[golden plover]

I mean, you can do it with 2

Unless youve got 2 snares or whatever

Also, you don't really need to kill Harmonizer if you can floodpits pin it lol

[sleek ferry]

Yeah sure, matchups matter in that case

In that matchup 3 steps/leatherhead hold way more value

[golden plover]

I was just thinking since Spatula is trying to play Dimir iirc

@knotty ferry what's your current Dimir list look like btw?

[sleek ferry]

He’s on a budget due to wildcards

So we made some adjustments based on that

[golden plover]

Makes sense

This is my current list btw

The mono-blue Kaito is a flex slot but the card puts in a ton of work

Helps a lot for forcing an attacker through and occasionally getting bodies on board

Also, had a game against lessons yesterday where he ulted. Was funny having them realize they couldn't meaningfully interact anymore

[atomic harness]

Do you think we can have hogaak back @twilit canyon

n fury n grief

and violent outburst

[tardy echo]

It depends on your colors, white and green have very easy times removing enchantments but other colors can struggle with it

[twilit canyon]

yes to all except maybe outbursts

[tardy echo]

This kid is such a troll holy

[twilit canyon]

fury would probs kill off energy in current modern tho idk if they want that

[tardy echo]

Can we get cloudpost and dark depths and field and ouat back in modern

Oh and maybe summer bloom too

And beans and uro

[golden plover]

Just print pre-errata Lurrus into standard

[tardy echo]

I meant to say modern sigh

We should highkey uneratta companions

And print 10 new ones when we return to ikoria

[golden plover]

I mean, all the good ones are banned now

We can unerrata the ones that are left

[tardy echo]

Maybe lurrus would get banned in vintage again

Go back to being the only card banned in every format for power level

If/when they return to ikoria wdyt they would even do for set mechanics

Bc ikoria had like. A lot going on

To put it lightly

[golden plover]

I think we probably won't see mutate again. It wasn't popular and kinda sucked lol

[tardy echo]

Would it just be cycling set

[golden plover]

Companion is almost certainly off the table

[atomic harness]

I hated the cycling deck holy

[tardy echo]

I think mutate is a super cool mechanic they just kind of designed it weirdly

[atomic harness]

they played this laser thing that one shot you

[golden plover]

Ohh, maybe they'd put something like Monstrosity on Ikoria?

[tardy echo]

They could just remake mutate with a new name that doesn’t feel so bad

[golden plover]

That could replicate the mutation theme without it feeling bad

[glad peak]

Monstrous would be a good addition

[atomic harness]

Hello mr mudkip

[glad peak]

Hello Mr. Renren

[sleek ferry]

There was somebody on Twitter last week, trolling and saying that Uro wouldn’t do anything if put into standard right now

[tardy echo]

???

[atomic harness]

Sigh I miss uro and kroxa

Word me cake

[glad peak]

Tell them to lower their dosage of cope

[tardy echo]

I miss uro not kroxa

[atomic harness]

Kroxa was cooler kid

[sleek ferry]

Discarding cards is fun

[tardy echo]

U like scam so that checks out

Drawing cards is funner

[atomic harness]

Both are nice

[tardy echo]

I think if mutation worked like adventure or smth it would be cooler

[atomic harness]

was power word kill the worst ever doomblade we had

there were Soo many annoying things you couldn't kill

go for the throat meanwhile was probably the best one

[tardy echo]

Doom blade was probably the worst doom blade we ever had

[golden plover]

Ikoria also introduced keyword counters

Could also lean into the 3 color theme next time

[tardy echo]

Bleh

We just got tarkir lol

Lean into the same tribes again

[atomic harness]

We need to go back to capenna actually

[tardy echo]

Capenna would be cool but we did just visit NY 3 times

So maybe let that chill a bit

[golden plover]

Yeah I actually like Capenna but UB has made me not wanna go to it for a bit

[atomic harness]

That's fair, maybe in 2028

[tardy echo]

I think if they made mutate cards that put themselves back in your hand after the mutated creature died or smth would be cool

[sleek ferry]

That’s good, it’s an upgrade from the remote state you live in

[tardy echo]

??? I live in the heart of New England

[golden plover]

Also they need to actually let the caberriti be cops this time

[sleek ferry]

We call your people rednecks where I’m from

[tardy echo]

??? U think I’m from Maine or something

[golden plover]

It's crazy there's no law enforcement faction on Capenna because "the optics of corrupt cops looks bad"

But they were cool with a corrupt union

[sleek ferry]

Worse, Virginia

[golden plover]

Nah that ones me

[tardy echo]

??????????

There’s also been like a huge status quo shift on capenna now right

Aren’t the angels back

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, Elspeth is basically Mussolini

[tardy echo]

Crazy comparison

[sleek ferry]

I said what I said

[tardy echo]

And also like the grixis group is gone now right

Ob nix is cooked and everybody wants to kill him and the old leader died?

[golden plover]

Yeah theoretically the status quo is crazy different

[tardy echo]

Real answer is prob drown in the loch

Specifically as far as being a doom blade

The theros enchantment one is also pretty fucking awful

[golden plover]

But look at Zendikar, Tarkir, and innistrad to see how much status quo shifts actually happen

[atomic harness]

Sigh that one doesn't count kid

[tardy echo]

Victim of night then

[twilit canyon]

its both the best doom blade and the worst doom blade

cus there are times where drown does not work on 2 and thats unacceptable

[tardy echo]

Drown is good because of modality but in terms of just one or the other it’s sort of poopy butt shit and matchup fishing

Heartless act is also a p bad doomblade

[twilit canyon]

i remember dimir lists running thought scour to mill the opp and draw 1 so that drown was usable

[tardy echo]

[twilit canyon]

this was in modern

dont get me wrong

[tardy echo]

There’s another card that does the same thing as drown but only removal right

[twilit canyon]

the modality of scour was not bad... cus murktide was used at the time

uhhh idr if its destroy or exile tho

ik theres one that gets cheaper per card in your grave that was pretty nutty

[tardy echo]

There’s also the delve one

Murderous cut or whatever

Do ppl even play that thing anymore

[sleek ferry]

[[Heartless]] act is good son

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/103/heartless-act

Heartless Act <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose one —
• Destroy target creature with no counters on it.
• Remove up to three counters from target creature.
"Put a muzzle on him!" —Si Wong Sandbender

[twilit canyon]

yeah cut sees play in legacy

but it is rare

same in modern

requires some more specific lists tbh

and its rare you ever need it when we have other options

[tardy echo]

Sigh son just play sts

[subtle sierra]

Standard has too many counters rn

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but that’s like a meta issue at that point

Heartless act still hits the cub and ouroboid when it comes down

If they play snakeskin veil, then it’s not your fault that they play bad cards

[subtle sierra]

I think act is good but you have to have it immediately otherwise you're fucked

[tardy echo]

Did it even see play the first time it was in standard lol

[golden plover]

I think the issue with heartless act RN is just a lot of the targets incidentally having a counter

There's really no reason to play it over bitter triumph ngl

Shoot the Sheriff is better too, but every once in a while Shoot the Sheriff will miss because wizards secretly makes things warlocks and pirates when I'm not looking

[subtle sierra]

Yes iirc

[golden plover]

Heartless Act was the premier removal last time ngl

But it wasn't really competing with stuff

The only other really decent option was [[Eat to Extinction]] iirc

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/90/eat-to-extinction

Eat to Extinction <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile target creature or planeswalker. Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
"Kroxa devours what he may—not for sustenance or pleasure, but because it is his nature. He is unending hunger given form." —Klothys, god of destiny

[golden plover]

Eldraine was cracked but [[Bake Into A Pie]] and [[Murderous Rider]] weren't doing it

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/169/bake-into-a-pie

Bake into a Pie <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature. Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
"My secret ingredient? Well, I can't tell you that. But here's a hint. It's not love."

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/258/murderous-rider-swift-end

Murderous Rider <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Knight
Lifelink
When this creature dies, put it on the bottom of its owner's library.
2/3

Swift End
Instant — Adventure
Destroy target creature or planeswalker. You lose 2 life. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)

[knotty ferry]

Blighting hex or whatever is so hit or miss for me

I get why it's very good cause 1 mana

But vs some decks removing a weak body is just hella mid esp since my deck can't pressure very hard

[golden plover]

The bonus card is just Deadpool again?

Oh my God it's dumber than that

The mountain is actually the bonus card

This is the chase bonus

[glad peak]

Oh nice you get a volcanic island

The station sewer cam engy/emry combo in modern is pretty sick

Look at what must be done to mimic the power of breach

[golden plover]

Me when I wanna lose my whole hand and board in one turn

[tardy echo]

What’s the combo

[sleek ferry]

Landfall player greeding on t3?

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-surprised-pikachu-face-face-gif-15329743

[golden plover]

God dammit, just lost to some stupid mono-blue mirrorform deck because apparently it doesn't have to target their card???

[glad peak]

There’s a couple variants but you for sure need Grinding station and sewer cam and engineer or emry + 1 other artifact, most likely mox Opal

Infinite mana which turns into infinite self mill and then you can bring back your win condition over and over again

[tardy echo]

This is the entire conceit of the mirror form deck in standard

Let your opponent play a card that wins the game and then make 10 copies of it

[tardy echo]

Which ones engineer

[glad peak]

Deck can run mumble, which does all of: mill, dig for combo, protect life total, add 1 mana to the combo turn

[[goblin engineer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/128/goblin-engineer

Goblin Engineer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Artificer
When this creature enters, you may search your library for an artifact card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
, , Sacrifice an artifact: Return target artifact card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
1/2

[glad peak]

Engineer is the worse option for sure

[sleek ferry]

Hopefully it takes off, I have a playset of foil showcase copies I wouldn’t mind trading/selling for cards I actually want

[tardy echo]

It’s the type of deck that can’t ever be too good just from its own conceit

[glad peak]

Hm mana might not work for the combo actually

Combo works for sure with emry though

[zinc shard]

Lmao

WOTC made a survey for TMNT

[glad peak]

i remember there was a huge thing about people thinking they were getting rejected because they didn't like UB

similar discourse probably about to happen

[glad peak]

tbh yes, but starting then garruk suddenly never showed up even though he was smack dab in the middle of his arc, very likely due to this controversy (actually we don't know for sure, he shows up all the way up to 2015 but that could just be the design team having to lock him in years in advance)

card in question: [[Triumph of Ferocity]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/avr/198/triumph-of-ferocity

Triumph of Ferocity <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card if you control the creature with the greatest power or tied for the greatest power.
"Rid me of this curse, witch, or die with me." —Garruk Wildspeaker

[glad peak]

looking through it i'm seeing a bunch of posts from 2012, damn

actually though, the reason as to why he wasn't seen in war was funny

[zinc shard]

Now that's what i call an Ocelot Pride

[knotty ferry]

I might go to a draft event tomorrow, is there anything I need to do before I go? Like sign up for an account online? What info do I need to provide them?

Actually does my mtg arena account work for whatever

[glad peak]

none needed

just the companion app mostly but some stores don't require it

[twilit canyon]

do check w them if they have their draft slots available since some places run out of space if a format is popular and/or theres a lot of drafters in the area

[glad peak]

you're going to want to know if they do rare picks at the end or if you get to keep rares in your pool too, that's store specific policy they should tell you about but i know some people who get blindsided

also sleeves

[knotty ferry]

As in it's an event that you can register for beforehand?

Like before you actually show up

[twilit canyon]

some stores here may say "hey please preregister for draft so we know how many to expect"

[knotty ferry]

I aee

See

[glad peak]

i would try to preregister so there's no issue with there being 10 interested or something

[past socket]

An opener to truly take pride in

[twilit canyon]

ts too for sure

they usually say if rares are done at the end or not but

[knotty ferry]

I can call them

It doesn't seem like there's a way to preregister

[glad peak]

calling them to try and reserve a spot is the best way then

and then go early to make sure you're on the list

[twilit canyon]

note this is just to be safe

if your area is relatively small

and/or lgs isnt one to see up to triple digit players for weekends for instance/fnm

90% chance you'll be fine

[subtle sierra]

Won locals

Pogger

[twilit canyon]

i speak from experiencing locals at big cities

[tardy echo]

He showed up in 2019/2020/2021 too sigh just not since then

[glad peak]

Yeah people stopped caring pretty quickly iirc but the addition of other mono green walkers kept that in the back of some people’s minds

It’s a shame because I wanted to see where garruk’s story would’ve gone before the whole thing was changed to him suddenly being in eldraine

[golden plover]

Wasn't he freed of the curse and helping watch the Kenriths now

What happened to that

[glad peak]

I think he is but he’s also bloodthirsty for planeswalkers I think?

The whole thing of him being freed kinda just happened out of nowhere

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/996108937445244998/1484270121336705104/D2_MTGPartnership_HeroArt_16x9_Logo.png?ex=69bd9dc5&is=69bc4c45&hm=87a5f0cdbd9400631c1fd79ed0d0e9abf9818712a800f6c2bdfb9d86df0fedec&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800

reverse universes beyond

[twilit canyon]

is this the first of the big crossovers grabbing mtg's ip for once rather than the reverse?

[glad peak]

Nah

We had one for hot pockets

I think fortnite also

[copper pecan]

iirc they did a minecraft crossover

[sleek ferry]

I should get a binder for all my foil full art basics

Even the yellow shits from aetherdrift

[trail anvil]

does smite count as big

[sleek ferry]

Alright kiddos, question because I can get both for the same price

Do I get the full set (4 decks) of FF commander decks, or the full set of Tarkir (5 decks) commander decks

For reference, I can get either set for $150

[stark skiff]

FF has good reprints in them and I think the singles from Tarkir commander are all generally cheap

Teval is like the only real expensive thing along with the Golgari dragon I think

[sleek ferry]

This is true, but reprints aside, it's 5 decks vs 4 AND the collector sample pack for tarkir isn't only locked to commander cards

unlike FF

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry @twilit canyon ok just called, I can just show up to the event. I'll get some standard size sleeves to use

[knotty ferry]

Holy fuck I just realized I can't hover over the card IRL to check keywords

Do you guys memorize all keywords

I know haste vigilance lifelink deathtouch reach flying flash sneak

[tardy echo]

If a keyword isn’t easy to remember it’ll probably have reminder text

[knotty ferry]

Oh and warp cause the diddler has that

[knotty ferry]

Oh shit ok good

There's probably more I remember, but idk all the niche ones

Hexproof I guess

And ward

[glad peak]

You also don’t have the yellow glow and pop up prompts

[tardy echo]

Trample

[fallow citrus]

also if you look up a card in the companion app it will probably explain the keyword

[tardy echo]

In a worst case don’t be afraid to ask

Foundations has some cards w whacky keywords

[glad peak]

Oh it’s foundations draft?

I think they have reminder text on all keywords for foundations

[tardy echo]

No I just mean in general

There’s a lot more eclectic keywords in standard than usual bc of that set

[twilit canyon]

i do personally

group them based on if they are horsemanship or kicker

[tardy echo]

TRUE

[knotty ferry]

True

Oh and flashback

[tardy echo]

Most keywords also kinda do what they say

As far as standard legal ones

[sleek ferry]

Considering you’re doing tmnt draft, remember sneak

[tardy echo]

He said he remembers sneaking

[knotty ferry]

Bro there's no way anyone would know what warp meant without reading the description

[tardy echo]

Well yeah but a lot of those are set gimmick keywords that have reminder text

But even just like perennial keywords like cycling are sort of self explanatory

Speaking of cycling are there any 1 mana cyclers that are good

Like rawdog cycling not the landcyclers from lotr

Oh censor saw play didn’t it

[twilit canyon]

ye

sees play in pioneer occasionally iirc

[tardy echo]

Fake format doesn’t matter gg

[knotty ferry]

I just played vs the badger mole cub deck

How the fuck do you bea tthis

Earthbend just seems broken as fuck

Your lands are now monsters

And they have haste???

I know vs green you want to prevent them from scaling but that deck feels so fast

Is there a key card I need to look out for

[sudden lava]

@knotty ferry bounce their lands

[subtle sierra]

You kill badger asap

The land having a counter is super w/e as long as it's not giving double mana

And as summer said, if you bounce the land over killing/exiling it, it doesn't even come back

It's why izzet pivoted to elementals to abuse that with [[sunderflock]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/74/sunderflock

Sunderflock <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest mana value among Elementals you control.
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, return all non-Elemental creatures to their owners' hands.
5/5

[knotty ferry]

Yea i did this but idk it didn't end up mattering

[knotty ferry]

Ok idk if I have anything that does this

[subtle sierra]

Dimir generally doesn't play bounces even if blue is the bounce color

[knotty ferry]

My removal spells are shoot the sheriff, the 1 black hex, and the pay 3 or discard one black

[subtle sierra]

Then that's enough

Just hold it for badger/ouroboroid

[knotty ferry]

Yea

What happened initially was that he summoned sazh chocobo so I had to use mana to stun it

And then I spun it back to the deck with floodgate drowner or whatever his name was

But yea on the next few turns he just scaled

[subtle sierra]

Sometimes you don't have enough removal 🤷‍♂️

Yeeting chocobo before they get protection was the play

Tbh in landfall badger is super w/e

Oh no they have mana

Unless they're crazy and play rhythm in that

It's the rhythm decks where it's dangerous cause they run more mana dorks

[golden plover]

Into Earthbending/Badger Stuff we hex the badger on site. From there, don't be afraid to floodpit their land or trade it with a flashed floodpit or curiosity. The stun counter denies them mana though. Board in more removal and [[Flashfreeze]] to answer their stuff. If it's the Simic list, let them go wide and then punish with flashes or Day of the Black Sun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/590/flashfreeze

Flashfreeze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target red or green spell.
"Your downfall was not your ignorance, your weakness, or your hubris, but your warm blood." —Heidar, Rimewind master

[golden plover]

If it's the mono-green list, shoot down threats on sight, trade your flash guys for their attackers, and don't let them get too big. That list is tougher on us, especially because of the enchantment. So my strategy going into it is to board in annuls, flashfreezes, and leverage [[Deep Cavern Bat]] to rip key cards from them (the mono-green list doesn't run anything with reach outside of the enchantment's tokens, so if you can deny them that you can poke them)

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/102/deep-cavern-bat

Deep-Cavern Bat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Bat
Flying, lifelink
When this creature enters, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it until this creature leaves the battlefield.
The first shriek locates the prey. The second immobilizes it.
1/1

[golden plover]

Both lists board Surrak, and if you see him hit the board, answer him IMMEDIATELY. They'll out value you if he lives

And both lists have the potential to board Leatherhead. If you see her, you've gotta flash in a curiousity for her to trade with. Otherwise she's sticking around and you're in trouble

Also, Kaito is your best tool into both lists

They can't cleanly answer him, and his -2 is pretty relevant when they're shitting out big dudes

[urban crane]

Yeah also got such a nasty etali trigger

Like 4 absolutely disgusting cards muldrota conseqruated sphinx vorinclex monstrous and that guy that gives al my creatures horsemanship

And already had a temur ascendency

[knotty ferry]

Ok yea I have deep cavern bat but almost nothing else you mentioned

But I'll keep all that in mind thanks

Oh well kaito

Obv

Lol

[golden plover]

Are you not playing curiosity for now?

[knotty ferry]

Oh yeah curiosity

I missed that

[sleek ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/ashleybits/status/2034990980504465890?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Ashley Bits 🔜 PAUPERGEDDON (@ashleybits)

How MTG Players look at you when you wanna play Standard Instead of Transylvanian Tickle Torture Highlander

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FxTwitter · Mar 20, 2026, 1:50 PM

[knotty ferry]

Fuck I was about to post this

[tardy echo]

[trail anvil]

TTTH is a deeply interactive format

[tardy echo]

Let’s play TTTH @twilit canyon

[knotty ferry]

I looked at what some locals were hosting, it's almost all modern and pre modern

Is standard really that unpopular

Oh I guess commander ofc

[tardy echo]

People are not huge fans of standard currently

High price point for entry and not terribly balanced

[knotty ferry]

Thugs told me the meta in standard is good...

[tardy echo]

It’s good if you like green

[twilit canyon]

it is good

its just expensive

[glad peak]

For the same price of 1 standard deck you can play half of modern’s metagame

Anything other than midrange/control decks atm

[sleek ferry]

it varies on location tbh. Lamb had the issue that they were playing literally everything near him EXCEPT modern

[golden plover]

Standard has a much more open meta than it's had in like 2-3 years

[sleek ferry]

they were even having Vintage events

[golden plover]

I'm not sure I'd say it's "good" but it's much better than recently

The biggest issue is price tho yeah

[sleek ferry]

standard meta is awesome

and there's budget decks out there that can compete

[golden plover]

Almost every deck runs Cub, Riddler, or both

[copper pecan]

standard has been in a much better place since the vivi ban

[golden plover]

And that's gonna make your deck $800ish

[sleek ferry]

Harmonizer for example plays neither cub nor riddler

[golden plover]

Obviously there's decks that don't play either

[sleek ferry]

Boros Dragons is like 100-150

[golden plover]

I built Dimir for $300 because we don't run either

But the vast majority of the meta rn runs one or the other and the issue of pushed mythics jacking up pricetags only gets worse with more UB sets (higher price point in general) and longer rotation

[glad peak]

Imagine losing player share to vintage

Love the format but damn

[golden plover]

Standard is also just tough to have a paper audience

[trail anvil]

wasn't longer rotation supposed to help standard's price point too

[golden plover]

Arena eats most of the standard player share and commander is kinda all anyone plays in most LGSes now

[glad peak]

That was the intention but it’s too early to tell

[golden plover]

It was advertised as keeping decks down, yeah

But it's sorta working the opposite direction rn

[sleek ferry]

No, it was supposed to help players motivation to buy into it

[golden plover]

Because staples can stay in the format longer they're gonna stay pricier

[glad peak]

Since technically cards will last longer so theoretically people need to buy less cards

[trail anvil]

well longer legality in theory means you supposedly hold onto your deck for longer

[glad peak]

Now the problem is those staples increased in price in accordance with time frame

[trail anvil]

but like I feel like that hasn't been the case

[golden plover]

Yeah if there weren't 10 sets in standard and also a set every 2 months, that would be true

But because there's sets every 2 months and standard has more sets than ever, most decks fall off a lot faster, or at least need more updates

Realistically, if standard went back to 4 sets a year a decent bit of these problems would be sorted out

[sleek ferry]

The alternative is for sets to be completely worthless like they were before. Even then, the majority of normal treatments are all cheap as hell

[golden plover]

But 7 sets and longer rotation is gonna make standard harder than ever to buy into and keep up with

[golden plover]

I mean, they also could just make sets that target other formats again

Commander draft was relatively popular. And people liked modern horizons

There's always gonna be dud sets (Spiderman and most of TMNT lol)

The solution isn't to have more sets. It's to design better sets

[sleek ferry]

That I can agree with, but they kinda stated there would be no more modern only sets (due to the boomer backlash of modern horizons 2 and 3)

[trail anvil]

what's relevant from tmnt btw? cool but rude?

[glad peak]

Nah no more modern horizons makes sense

Sets were busted af

[golden plover]

People liked MH3, but the issue with mh as a product line is that they were way too pushed and basically forced rotation in the format

[golden plover]

That and Dream Beavers lol

[glad peak]

MH drafts were great for sure

[golden plover]

99% of the set is completely irrelevant

[trail anvil]

leatherhead ig too

[golden plover]

Yeah some decks run 1-2 Leatherhead

[glad peak]

There’s a deck in modern floating around using some Leonardo card

[golden plover]

There's maybe another card I'm forgetting but TMNT is a real constructed dud and imo, it's limited isn't that good either

[glad peak]

No idea which Leo

[sleek ferry]

cool but rude, does machines, ravenous robot, krang, both michaelangelos, leatherhead, dark shredder and leo, sewer cam, super shredder

[trail anvil]

shame, mh3 was so good as a set otherwise

[glad peak]

Sewer cam is the breakout star

[sleek ferry]

TMNT is high key a way better set than LOE in terms of power

LOE just has wistfulness and deceit

[golden plover]

I haven't see the vast majority of that list in any real format

[sleek ferry]

as your top ends

[golden plover]

Nah this is just wildly wrong

Lorwyn brought 2 whole new decks into standard

It revitalized Dimir

It basically changed half the lists of anything else already in the format

Lorwyn is one of the best standard sets in a long time

[sleek ferry]

Dimir (midrange) got revitalized by its matchups more than anything

[golden plover]

Hex and Spell Snare helped a ton there too

[sleek ferry]

Dimir was never a bad deck, it literally was just the definition of mid

[trail anvil]

sunderflock, sapling nursery

[lusty trench]

I was hoping casey vigilante would see play just cause I find it a funny card but funny isn't good sadge

[trail anvil]

requiting hex

[sleek ferry]

sapling nursery has faded out just as quick as it was starting to be tested

[golden plover]

But all of: Requiting Hex, Spell Snare, Sunderflock, 80% of the evoke cycle, Ashling, Oko, Sapling Nursery, Iron Shield Elf, Moonshadow (cope), Sear, and like 12 others see play

[sleek ferry]

you still kep 1-2 in the sideboard, but the vision people had for it was more than it actually ended up being

[golden plover]

This is just objectively wrong too

[trail anvil]

moonshadow was used in rakdos monument for a while and formidable speaker in the elemental piles

[golden plover]

The mono-green earthbending deck runs 3-4 sapling Nursery

It's a good ass to end for them

Oh I forgot about Speaker

[sleek ferry]

this was already dismissed as bad by every pro btw

[trail anvil]

champion cards are usually pushed tbh

[sleek ferry]

you can actually just play winning cards in mono green

[golden plover]

But point is, Lorwyn SHAKED UP standard and has so many good cards

[sleek ferry]

instead of nursery

[golden plover]

TMNT has like 3 playable cards total

[sleek ferry]

Standard was already a wide open format pre Lorwyn

what shook standard up was the vivi ban

Avatar making green a relevant color helped the health of standard

[golden plover]

Yeah but Izzet spellementals, regular elementals, mono-green earthbending, and Rakdos Monument are all new decks that came around Lorwyn

[sleek ferry]

Also, Mono Green Earthbending mains no cards from lorwyn lol

So again, giving lorwyn credit for this is a lie

[golden plover]

It mains nursery??

[sleek ferry]

It literally does not, as I've told you

[golden plover]

It's kinda the only Lorwyn card they main, but they main it still

[sleek ferry]

the best mono green build mains Surrak

[golden plover]

Some lists are still maining 2-4

But it's not consistent mained across the board

I think really that deck just took some time for the interactions to be found, less so Lorwyn

But it got better positioned into the field once Lorwyn shook up the meta

[sleek ferry]

This build is outdated theory. You just straight up play the good creatures that if they stick they win the game. 4 icetill, 4 harmonizer etc

Only landfall creature from this build you still play is sazh's chocobo

[honest berry]

i no longer wish to play river song since that deck becomes almost cedh just running a budget package.

I now wish ping with extreme prejudice.

[glad peak]

I can guarantee it’s nowhere near cedh and people will have more of a problem with ghyrson

[honest berry]

i can get infinite turns with river

[golden plover]

Just had my opponent in the mirror [[Detect Intrusion]] my enduring curiosity trigger??? Who runs that in Dimir?

[trail anvil]

ghyrson always seems like a removal magnet

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/om1/28/spider-sense

Detect Intrusion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Enweb (You may cast this spell for if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
Counter target instant spell, sorcery spell, or triggered ability.

[trail anvil]

I feel like it's so easy to not get infinite turns with her?

and that's still not cedh, just annoying bracket 4

[glad peak]

Yeah, also Infinite turns with multiple interaction points before it and incredibly slow to get to is completely fine

[glad peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pauper/s/5FKCH0WbPL

Ahem

If yoU tHinK aBouT it, CarDs aRe jUst FuNctIonS

[golden plover]

Didn't common legendaries (specifically a UB thing) actually fuck up pauper?

Iirc they dodge [[Cast Down]] which is the best removal spell in the format

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/119/cast-down

Cast Down <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target nonlegendary creature.
"We simply cannot tolerate a petty thief among the servants. I'm afraid I'll have to let you go." —Rog, steward of House Rillyn

[trail anvil]

I didn't even realize they printed so many common legendaries in tmnt and spiderman

[subtle sierra]

Tmnt is the biggest culprit

[glad peak]

Sort of

Snuff is it still the best

[golden plover]

Yeah iirc most of the spiderman ones suck (I think the venom sees play?)

[subtle sierra]

Each character has like 5 variants and they're all rarities

[golden plover]

But TMNT has some playable common legends

[glad peak]

Spiderman that webswings is playable

[golden plover]

Isn't the doc ock also like fringe playable

Fwiw I remember a couple of them having enough impact people were mad cast down is worse now

[twilit canyon]

not really

the only truly playable ones in tmnt is ultrom iirc

idt i've ever seen anyone talk about leo

anyways this post did the bigger sin of being fucking annoying over anything else

[glad peak]

Leo is playable too yep

[twilit canyon]

so i kneejerk disagree with it off principle

[glad peak]

But in a fringe mono white aggro deck regularly featured in mengu’s pauper gameplay and looks like hes making a UW deck with Leo popular too

But yes this post is annoying af but it’s funny

[past socket]

crashout about ads
looks inside
ads for OP’s posts

Redditors…

[glad peak]

Don’t we love Reddit people

[past socket]

Glad my only exposure is stuff like this these days

[copper pecan]

wotc is never, ever going to design things specifically with pauper in mind

[glad peak]

Havent they started when the pauper community thingy started?

I remember there being a post by them regarding that

[copper pecan]

no, they just monitor the meta more closely so they can know when to ban things

[glad peak]

But yes, I agree this post is pretty damn stupid

[copper pecan]

they aren't going to warp limited formats specifically to avoid breaking a format that a small minority of the playerbase is ever going to play

[glad peak]

But didnt they already have access to that data and free rein to do so?

[atomic harness]

Flash freeze is crazy

[glad peak]

[[flash freeze]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/590/flashfreeze

Flashfreeze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target red or green spell.
"Your downfall was not your ignorance, your weakness, or your hubris, but your warm blood." —Heidar, Rimewind master

[glad peak]

[copper pecan]

yes but they didn't have any pauper experts who fully understood the meta and now they do

[atomic harness]

We finally have an answer to breach and etali

Holy

(this is a joke)

[glad peak]

Finally an answer to titan, 20 more years of amulet titan

[tardy echo]

Holy word

[atomic harness]

based

[knotty ferry]

I CANT WAIT FOR DRAFT TONIGHT

IM GONNA SHIT MY PANTS

[subtle sierra]

don't you will be chased out for hygene reasons

[subtle sierra]

live rhystic study reaction

[trail anvil]

do you pay the 1

[atomic harness]

I'll cast pyroblast paying the 1

[trail anvil]

heck

[atomic harness]

It's okay this is where you respond with flash freeze

[glad peak]

I’ll consign replicated once to counter the triggers

[atomic harness]

Also is there a valley caller cycle? I just saw the red one

wow it's so much worse than the blue one

[glad peak]

Yep

They’re all pretty ass

Other than blue

[atomic harness]

what the heck were they smoking

[[valley floodcaller]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/79/valley-floodcaller

Valley Floodcaller <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Flash
You may cast noncreature spells as though they had flash.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Birds, Frogs, Otters, and Rats you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. Untap them.
2/2

[subtle sierra]

you cannot

wait floodcaller is a cycle

what is the red one

[atomic harness]

[[valley blazecaller]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “valley blazecaller”

[atomic harness]

Hm what was it, firecaller?

[subtle sierra]

i found them

[atomic harness]

Can you post them here

[subtle sierra]

like i knew they existed but i never put the dots together they're a cycle

[atomic harness]

OH right I remember the white one

[subtle sierra]

i knew the green and white one

[atomic harness]

Blue one is so insane it doesn't even get flavor text

[subtle sierra]

true!

[glad peak]

The only reason I know these exist as a cycle because of the jumpstart packs I was making for it

[knotty ferry]

Do people use these without outer sleeves?

Nvm I'm just gonna get some outers

[knotty ferry]

Peep the haul, peasants

Bro this guy is complaining about how there's too many decks in standard

[past socket]

Cute little guy ready to stabby stabby

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry these people love premodern

[sleek ferry]

Stay away from those people, those are the Edison/goat player equivalent

[subtle sierra]

there are a lot but it's not like ygo where there's little overlap for your side options, so it's perfectly fine

[knotty ferry]

Rick equivalent?

[sleek ferry]

Also siding 1-2 copies of a card in mtg for a specific matchup is a very real thing

Vs siding in 6 minimum for a matchup in ygo

[subtle sierra]

yeah you only really side 2-3 for a matchup, maybe more depending on what you side out, but then you also side in cards that overlap for multiple matchups

[knotty ferry]

Bro I can't wait to tap my lands

[sleek ferry]

Which way are you tapping them

[knotty ferry]

Left

[sleek ferry]

[knotty ferry]

Turn counter clockwise

Is that shit?

Is that a noob thing to do?

[past socket]

I still chuckle thinking of the Poison Dart Frog

[knotty ferry]

Wtf

@sleek ferry which way do you tap

[sleek ferry]

Nah, you can legit tap any which way

[past socket]

Wholesome as but really silly

[knotty ferry]

No bro

There has to be a way

It's like flash on f or d

[sleek ferry]

You’ll run into some interesting people that set up their board weirdly

[knotty ferry]

Where do I put gy or exile

[sleek ferry]

Most people will actually have a spot for creatures/lands/artifacts/enchantments

But there’s some people that just throw their lands everywhere

[copper pecan]

have you looked at the tap symbol

[knotty ferry]

Nahhhh

I hate ppl who have disorganized boards

That shit is so aids

[copper pecan]

when i occasionally play in paper i usually just set it up the way it's organized in arena

[sleek ferry]

You could also get overwhelmed in longer games when the board is just cluttered crazy

But I haven’t played much tmnt draft so idk how wide you actually go

In avatar draft, that was happening every game basically

[subtle sierra]

tap some left and some right

be psychotic

[knotty ferry]

ITS BO3???

Holy

[subtle sierra]

draft?

[knotty ferry]

Yes

[subtle sierra]

yeah

all the other cards are your side btw

if you need it

[knotty ferry]

Oh

Bet

Bro can you side lands

Imagine smokescreening

[subtle sierra]

uhhhhh ik you can in constructed but idk how basics work in draft

so don't quote me on that

[knotty ferry]

If I have infinite lands

I could smokescreen from blue red to blue green

Theoretically

Probably won't be good but isn't that possible

@sleek ferry confirm

[glad peak]

In draft? Yes technically

In constructed it’s a lot harder

But also if you’re building 2 decks in limited for the purpose of smokescreening then I have some questions

[knotty ferry]

Bro

IM SO HYPED

[knotty ferry]

WAIT HOW MANY CARDS DO I NEED TOTAL

60 or 40

[tardy echo]

I tap my lands upside down

gg?

[sleek ferry]

40, 17 lands, I told you

[sudden lava]

for draft? 40

[sleek ferry]

You can play over 40, but you should play 40 so you can follow the 17 land ratios

[knotty ferry]

I played a couple rounds

It was kinda fun but some of these people are interesting creatures

I told thugs about this but while we were waiting for the draft to start, I introduced myself to someone at the table and held out my hand for a handshake.

The guy refused and said, I kid you not, "I'm not a big toucher"

It's a handshake not a handjob

[glad peak]

eh i don't mind that, happens

there's weirder people who hold their hand out for handshakes after not washing their hands

fistbump is the standard nowadays

[knotty ferry]

Standard where bro every human I've met shakes hands

[tardy echo]

A lot of ppl who play card games are high functioning OCD

I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s actually a strong correlation considering it’s a highly sortable organizable etc hobby

[knotty ferry]

The packs have germs on them just don't bother playing them

Then

Sigh

Anyway the actual drafting and playing part was fun even if I got stomped

[tardy echo]

The whole point of ocd is that it’s irrational

[sleek ferry]

Did you get nervous?

[knotty ferry]

About what

[sleek ferry]

Tapping your lands

Sequencing properly

[sleek ferry]

I think in my 3rd or 4th ever draft, I had a Yugioh player opponent who was attending his first draft

And he called the judge on me lol

Because I said “no blockers?” Okay, before damage I cast x spell”

[trail anvil]

I'm kinda surprised how many people at my locals didn't know you can let the stack partially resolve then respond later

maybe they played yugioh before

[glad peak]

eh idk

[knotty ferry]

Nope

Nerves are scared of me

[glad peak]

a lot of people at my casual night locals don't know that you can add more than 1 thing to the stack (so spell and counterspell and that's it)

[knotty ferry]

Actually my 2nd opponent never declared combat

Which was so troll lol

[trail anvil]

huh I wonder if someone just didn't teach them properly

[past socket]

I imagine Covid has had some effects on attitudes toward human contact too

[glad peak]

i remember holding prio on my spell and someone called a judge

[knotty ferry]

Dude if you can't do a handshake cause of COVID just don't go outside bro it's 2026

[glad peak]

damn covid was 6-7 years ago

[knotty ferry]

Also you were right

The board

Gets messy

Very quickly

Tbh I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a standard deck

Draft was cool but it's hard for me to know whats good and what works if my fundamentals are poor

So I'd rather just stick to a deck and master the game at a base level

For now

[glad peak]

if you want a less varianced way of learning fundamentals, learn from pauper

[knotty ferry]

Pauper is some areo shit, fuck that

[twilit canyon]

pauper is actually a good format

[glad peak]

if you want to live in the veil of ignorance then commander is right there

i choose to live ignored and free

[knotty ferry]

Commander is for noobs

JK I'll probably try commander at some point

But it's casual, and casual = noob

[glad peak]

there's a spectrum of players in commander but there are a whole lot more worse people there than other formats, correct

[knotty ferry]

there's no commander tournaments, so it's unserious

No tournament = not a real format

[glad peak]

there are tournaments tho

[knotty ferry]

Not represented in pro tour or SGC DC = not real @sleek ferry word me

[glad peak]

legacy and pauper aren't real formats?

[knotty ferry]

Thugs told me legacy is a meme

And areo plays pauper

So yes

They're not real

[glad peak]

standard isn't a real format couple years every decade?

[knotty ferry]

It's real now

[glad peak]

but actually though all of these events are in sgc

[knotty ferry]

And that's what matters

[glad peak]

so standard isn't a real format in a couple months?

draft is the only real format 2027 let's goooo

[knotty ferry]

What happens in a couple months

[glad peak]

modern season

pro tour

[knotty ferry]

Wtf

So if u want to play in pro tour you have to play modern? With all the expensive ass cards?

[glad peak]

If you want to play tier 1 in standard you can use that money to instead build a good modern deck

[sleek ferry]

What are the chances of pulling a chaos emerald from a sonic secret lair?

@stark skiff curious if you know

My locals is selling them for $45, and I wouldn’t mind getting the named characters for commander shenanigans

[stark skiff]

i think its like 2-5%

the nonfoil sld that my locals got had like 2 emeralds out of their sonic sld

i think all the named characters are dirt cheap tho single wise

i think theyre all like sub 5 bucks a piece

i dont think any of the sonic sld have value in them now that i think about it

[sleek ferry]

$5 is dirt cheap now? Wow, you really did get a raise

[glad peak]

Also none of the sonic sld is standard legal

Chaos emerald is technically modern legal

[tardy echo]

How is petal modern legal

[glad peak]

oh whoops forgor what set it was in

wait is any of the sonic sld standrd legal?

[atomic harness]

Here you go little ones @glad peak @sleek ferry @stark skiff @knotty ferry

I'm not sure who to give the draw to

[glad peak]

damn you got the wrong art

[sleek ferry]

It’s the player in seat 4

Almost always

[stark skiff]

What if Ren is last

[atomic harness]

seat 3 then

[glad peak]

you give the card to the control player

always

[atomic harness]

Actually yeah

if I'm up against seat 4 etali I'll probably give it to marneus

[sleek ferry]

That Marneus is going to control the table and win with that extra draw

[glad peak]

because if you're playing tataru on 2 then that means you don't have the win on the spot and you don't have much interaction

if marneus controls the table with literally 1 more card then i think you already lost

[sleek ferry]

They drew archivist/rhystic study off that 1 draw, gg bozo

[glad peak]

just win through it with a silence gg bozo

wait hold on archivist isn't a problem

[stark skiff]

Rhystic Study? Don’t tell me you play in pods that don’t pay the one

[glad peak]

a bit harder in cedh and sometimes you just want to keep feeding them cards so they can keep win attempts in check

and then try to find a window to win on top of that

[tardy echo]

Man parnesse is such a cool commander but idk what they were really cooking w that one

[sleek ferry]

Wdym, it’s supposed to be targeted spell tribal

It’s still less cool [[anhelo, the painter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/1/anhelo-the-painter

Anhelo, the Painter <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Deathtouch
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn has casualty 2. (As you cast that spell, you may sacrifice a creature with power 2 or greater. When you do, copy the spell and you may choose new targets for the copy.)
Every work of art is a hit.
1/3

[trail anvil]

ig you politic people to use removal?

[golden plover]

Ya know what commander is really cool but I can't get her to feel like she really does her thing?

New Maralyn

[tardy echo]

Idk she has a lot of words but they mostly amount to being a passive stick that grouphugs pretty badly

[trail anvil]

I feel like for that much mana she should've had a better ward

then copying would make more sense

[golden plover]

[[Maralen Fae Ascendent]] is SO COOL

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/233/maralen-fae-ascendant

Maralen, Fae Ascendant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Faerie Noble
Flying
Whenever Maralen or another Elf or Faerie you control enters, exile the top two cards of target opponent's library.
Once each turn, you may cast a spell with mana value less than or equal to the number of Elves and Faeries you control from among cards exiled with Maralen this turn without paying its mana cost.
4/5

[golden plover]

Converted my lathril deck to her

[glad peak]

i love yet another food chain deck

[golden plover]

But theft deck being theft deck means she's only as good as the opponent

[knotty ferry]

Rhystic study? Isn't that a youtuber

[sleek ferry]

[[rhystic study]] is a commander staple

[golden plover]

Maybe I should hard pivot Maralem to mill lol

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study

Rhystic Study <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .
Friends teach what you want to know. Enemies teach what you need to know.

[trail anvil]

he named himself after the card

[golden plover]

Just go all in on making elf tokens until everyone has no deck

[glad peak]

nah they made the card around the most popular youtuber

[trail anvil]

tbh I'd want to do more flash faeries with maralen to get value on each turn

[glad peak]

in the youtuber SL

[sleek ferry]

Think of rhystic study as maxx c for 90% of relevant game actions for lack of a better comparison

[golden plover]

I did add in all the good flash faeries

[trail anvil]

welp

[golden plover]

I'll play with her more but I don't think she's like crazy crazy

She'll join Tannuk and Blim in commanders more about sending a message

Besides, I've got Hashaton and Elsha for cedh

[tardy echo]

For that much mana she should let you copy spells that target her/you

That would also make the copying make sense

I know she’s like 5+ years old but she’s supposed to be like copy tribal and nothing in her effect makes it easier to do that and she costs like 6 mana

[tardy echo]

Especially when this guy is in the same colors and this much cheaper

[knotty ferry]

holy shti this is broken with3 opponents

[tardy echo]

Wait until you see mystic remora

[knotty ferry]

why wait

[[mystic remora]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/59/mystic-remora

Mystic Remora <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .

[knotty ferry]

lol

commander is so unserious

[trail anvil]

wait until you see smothering tithe

[knotty ferry]

[[smothering tithe]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/57/smothering-tithe

Smothering Tithe <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest

[golden plover]

Is SNC Commander the best commander set of all time btw?

[atomic harness]

SNC

[golden plover]

Henzie, Tivit, Kitt, and Kamiz are all very popular

[trail anvil]

mh3 commander was pretty loaded iirc

[knotty ferry]

wati

is sonic commander only

[atomic harness]

Here son... check this out
3 opponents...

[trail anvil]

helps that eldrazi are so popular lol

[golden plover]

Mh3 is loaded too but I think SNC Commander has a relevant commander in every precon

[tardy echo]

Don’t ask me I don’t play that format

[trail anvil]

anhelo?

[golden plover]

And [[Beamtown Bullies]] is deeply funny

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies

The Beamtown Bullies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Devil Warrior
Vigilance, haste
: Target opponent whose turn it is puts target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under their control. It gains haste. Goad it. At the beginning of the next end step, exile it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
4/4

[golden plover]

We pretend the Grixis precon didn't happen, but he's the better of the two

[trail anvil]

casualty is a fun keyword

[golden plover]

It really is

[atomic harness]

I like the obnix one

with casualty

[golden plover]

I'd like to see it again

[knotty ferry]

onix...

[golden plover]

[[Maestros' Totally Secret Hideout]] is sick

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https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/615/maestros-totally-safe-hideout

Maestros' Totally Safe Hideout

Land
Land casualty 2 (As this land enters, you may sacrifice a creature with power 2 or greater. If you do, create a token that's a copy of this land.)
Maestros' Totally Safe Hideout enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add , , or .

[golden plover]

This card needs a legal printing

[knotty ferry]

wait so is anything from sonic legal in standard

[tardy echo]

No

I want a return to capenna just bc of how sick the set mechanics were

Casualty and connive were v fun to play with

[knotty ferry]

bro wtf i wanna summon knuckles

[atomic harness]

You're welcome son... @knotty ferry

[golden plover]

Cappena has so many good mechanics and aesthetics

[trail anvil]

this is pretty bonkers tbh

[tardy echo]

Blitz is just dash but it has some cool set synergies

[atomic harness]

I MISS MY GOAT RAFFINE

[tardy echo]

Shield counters im w/e on but it also has some cute set synergies w the counter stuff

[knotty ferry]

the goat

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-dace-gif-1760428799735874686

[atomic harness]

I like shield counters

[tardy echo]

It’s cool that each family on capenna has a mechanic that feels flavorful

[atomic harness]

There was this titan rhino guy that gave shield counters n stuff

[tardy echo]

Esp compared to the shards they’re based on

[atomic harness]

idr the name

[golden plover]

The Brokers could use a rework as a whole

But everyone else is really interesting

Alliance is deciduous now so I guess the caberriti need a new keyword too

[atomic harness]

I'm building this gamer atm

Sigh... why is she banned in duel

[golden plover]

Play Hashaton and run her in the 99

That way you can do funny stuff like t3 Consecrated Sphinx

[atomic harness]

I tried hash but I didn't have much fun, setup takes a while to get going

though it was cool to have stuff like zombie archon of cruelties

[golden plover]

Hash is my favorite t3 cedh dude

He can do funky shit

Psychic Frog into Valgavoth is funny

And he can do the Tivit winlines and has his own with [[Sharuum the Hegemon]] and [[Tinybones Joins Up]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/219/sharuum-the-hegemon

Sharuum the Hegemon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When Sharuum enters, you may return target artifact card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
To gain audience with the hegemon, one must bring a riddle she has not heard.
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/108/tinybones-joins-up

Tinybones Joins Up <:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
When Tinybones Joins Up enters, any number of target players each discard a card.
Whenever a legendary creature you control enters, any number of target players each mill a card and lose 1 life.
It was going to be the greatest heist of his unlife.

[tardy echo]

You can just make them goad

[atomic harness]

question, is it weird to run tymna in the 99

[golden plover]

Goad isn't a standard mechanic

[sleek ferry]

I think so yes (in cedh)

[tardy echo]

Didn’t we have standard goad in kaldheim

[sleek ferry]

In non Cedh it’s fine

[golden plover]

I think it'd be cool to give them Coven ngl

[atomic harness]

Yeah I'm doing non cedh

Don't have blue farm built yet

[tardy echo]

I think coven is a little dry

[atomic harness]

tho I'm going for rog thras

little mudkip chan convinced me

[tardy echo]

Also I don’t want cage to ever be actually good

[golden plover]

Nah we get bootleg goad every once in a while like [[Alexios, Deimos of]] who gives a shit

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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/214/alexios-deimos-of-kosmos

Alexios, Deimos of Kosmos <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Berserker
Trample
Alexios attacks each combat if able, can't be sacrificed, and can't attack its owner.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player gains control of Alexios, untaps it, and puts a +1/+1 counter on it. It gains haste until end of turn.
4/4

[tardy echo]

Idk then

What do the cabaretti even do

[sleek ferry]

There’s only 1 correct answer for what to build for cedh, lumra…

[tardy echo]

Aren’t they like entertainers as a front for money laundering or smth

[glad peak]

get skill diffed nerd

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

[tardy echo]

There’s a lot u can do with that

[atomic harness]

[golden plover]

Could maybe fuck around with Naya stun counters then?

[tardy echo]

They can also still just be alliance

[atomic harness]

||https://youtube.com/shorts/47LcpA6BYLA?si=Cm_oP3UH6AAewB7N||

[golden plover]

Also [[Jetmir, Nexus of Revels]] is the only commander I've ever retired before he stopped being fun

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/193/jetmir-nexus-of-revels

Jetmir, Nexus of Revels <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Demon
Creatures you control get +1/+0 and have vigilance as long as you control three or more creatures.
Creatures you control also get +1/+0 and have trample as long as you control six or more creatures.
Creatures you control also get +1/+0 and have double strike as long as you control nine or more creatures.
5/4

[golden plover]

He requires tracking too much shit

[glad peak]

if you're getting infinite mana you should be winning with a combo that has less bricks

[atomic harness]

Yeah this seems rly troll

What's a better rog thras line?

isn't it get finale of devastation like kinnan?

[glad peak]

i've seen a list with this town but it's not necessary

with infinite mana you literally just lab man + thras activations

vibrance getting cradle is pretty nice but it's just another 2 mana get cradle card

you never play it for red

[atomic harness]

what about the goat sowing mycospawn

I like that guy

[glad peak]

you play myco

myco is much better

[tardy echo]

I’m not much of a Timmy to begin with but I think “board 9 creatures and win the game” is just a pretty boring commander design

[atomic harness]

This guy is washed

I like him though

[tardy echo]

At that point u might as well board 10 elves and tap lathril

[glad peak]

i'm actually not sure if i've seen a winning list running vibrance

[atomic harness]

Vibrance = noob

[glad peak]

i've seen lists with cyc and breach and this town

[atomic harness]

Breach is nice...

[glad peak]

but vibrance sounds like a card that fits into the deck theory

nah breach is unplayable in rog thras

you have to run so many bricks

[atomic harness]

Oh I meant in general but yeah not good there

[tardy echo]

U just be saying anything huh

[atomic harness]

Cake I like tivit...

[tardy echo]

I can tell

That’s why u think he’s washed

I’m #nooticing a trend

[atomic harness]

Elaborate...

[tardy echo]

I think u know what I mean

[atomic harness]

It takes a while before you can cast him

so it's like you don't have a commander

[glad peak]

actually i might just run vibrance in my list because i do have space

[atomic harness]

Good call

[[vibrance]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/249/vibrance

Vibrance <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manarg:292901508738056193><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, this creature deals 3 damage to any target.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. You gain 2 life.
Evoke
4/4

[atomic harness]

if you have infinite mana you can use the red for fun right

[glad peak]

yep

i really hate this town in this deck though

with endurance you can do the same loop and the card's better

but again if you're getting the full infinite mana combo then why are you doing this combo

[tardy echo]

Renjamin what turn am I able to cast Sauron

Or miirym

Or, even in the same colors, oloro

[knotty ferry]

wtf

[golden plover]

Tivit can also win on t2 without the commander ever touching the board

Tivit puts you in good colors

You don't care as much

[tardy echo]

Yeah that

And also. If there are colors to be playing to stall the game out to 6 mana

It’s dimir and any of its little bastard children

[atomic harness]

I see...

little bastard children is crazy

[tardy echo]

I have nothing positive to say about grixis

Esper is ok Sultai is based

Esper is v fun to play and the commanders are all super unique for the most part but playing against it is abominable

That also goes for standard

3 of the most complementary color pairs in the game

Almost as much as temur

[glad peak]

saying temur above grixis is crazy

[tardy echo]

Imagine grixis… but with enchantment removal…

[glad peak]

grixis has enchanment removal

[stark skiff]

yea he's pretty cool

[glad peak]

[[chain of vapor]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c16/84/chain-of-vapor

Chain of Vapor <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Then that permanent's controller may sacrifice a land of their choice. If the player does, they may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.

[glad peak]

imagine esper... but with breach

[tardy echo]

Where we’re going we don’t need breach

(We’re going to standard because commander sucks)

[glad peak]

truest words that ever came out your mouth

[tardy echo]

I wish there was a way to sort decks by bracket on edhrec

Like dont tell me rogthras is like the 3029482nd most played temur commander when bracket 5 he’s the most by a country mile

[glad peak]

he's not the most in cedh tho

he's like 5th

[tardy echo]

Which temur commanders are more played in bracket

[glad peak]

oh right temur

sometimes i forget rogthras is a temur deck

i want to move to krark thras for an event but i don't want to think

[knotty ferry]

Krark thras sounds like you're choking on something

Charlie krark

[atomic harness]

Holy

[glad peak]

temur really isn't a coherent color combo ngl