Magic the Gathering

[gritty nest]

[[lord xander, the collector]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/197/lord-xander-the-collector

Lord Xander, the Collector <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Demon Noble
When Lord Xander enters, target opponent discards half the cards in their hand, rounded down.
Whenever Lord Xander attacks, defending player mills half their library, rounded down.
When Lord Xander dies, target opponent sacrifices half the nonland permanents they control of their choice, rounded down.
6/6

[honest berry]

Forgive me, table, for X=17.
[[torment of hailfire]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/hou/77/torment-of-hailfire

Torment of Hailfire <:manax:292901509082120202><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Repeat the following process X times. Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice or discards a card.
"Your God-Pharaoh has returned."

[glad peak]

if you can get hailfire to x=17 then you deserve to win, no need to apologize

[gritty nest]

highest torment of hailfire ive done was 23

somehow 2 people survived it even though i board wiped the previous turn

[honest berry]

Cabal coffers in mono black is a hell of a card

[glad peak]

if you can get to hailfire to x=17 even with coffers you deserve to win

[subtle sierra]

You simply deserve to win

[honest berry]

helped one dude was running [[gluntch]] group hug

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/275/gluntch-the-bestower

Gluntch, the Bestower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Jellyfish
Flying
At the beginning of your end step, choose a player. They put two +1/+1 counters on a creature they control. Choose a second player to draw a card. Then choose a third player to create two Treasure tokens.
0/5

[honest berry]

the fed me lots of basic swamps

[glad peak]

if you can get to all that, then yes

[sleek ferry]

Do I buy either 1 box each of Lorwyn eclipsed and edge of eternity or 1 box each of tmnt and avatar

[glad peak]

depends

do you want to draft with it or just open it for standard

[sleek ferry]

Just open it for myself

[glad peak]

ecl is more fun and edging is good for draft but if you're into nostalgia get tmnt and avatar

[sleek ferry]

I took a quick peek at the prices and think I’ll just do ecl and eoe. Tmnt singles are all super low besides super shredder so I’ll probably just buy playsets of everything, and just open avatar at a later time

Everything for tmnt seems super low considering how good a lot of the cards are

Guess that’s what UB hate does to a set

[trail anvil]

tbh it really is just a weird choice of IP

[glad peak]

tbh i wish more commander players proxied and drove down the prices of heavily commander played standard/modern cards

idk what the aversion to proxies in a casual format are tbh

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, the prices of most regular treatments is down

We haven’t had a card reach sheoldred status since Sheoldred

240-320 for a playset btw

I think it might have peaked at close to $90 a copy

[trail anvil]

some people are just perma tryhard

they're the same people that tell you to kill yourself in an average league of legends game

[past socket]

ECL full art Steam Vents graahhh

[copper pecan]

i think part of it is that it forces the anti-proxy to reckon with the fact that they spent a bunch of money on cardboard

and they need to justify that to themselves in order to not feel like idiots

[gritty nest]

Some dude stopped talking to me after I called him a gate keeper for playing b4 decks against precon players that can’t afford all the cards for bracket 4 and not allowing them to proxy

[gritty nest]

That was his main reason basically

[knotty ferry]

Aren't magic cards pretty cheap

Well

I can see why you'd need to proxy for like vintage or those boomer formats

But standard prices seem pretty reasonable

[subtle sierra]

Not if you need riddler or badger

They've made a lot of mandatory mythics recently

Everything else is relatively cheap

[knotty ferry]

I guess riddler is a little pricey yeah

Is $40 considered a lot in magic?

Idk how the perception of prices compare to ygo

[subtle sierra]

It's somewhat expensive

[fallow citrus]

depends on format mainly

[gritty nest]

usually stuff like tutors and combo pieces arent cheap, stuff you'd most likely want for higher power play, if were talking commander specific

[subtle sierra]

It is better if you only need one but you need multiples

[gritty nest]

but yeah other formats have their expensive stuff too

[knotty ferry]

Interesting...

[fallow citrus]

like modern generally is more expensive than standard

the gap is closing recently though

like ruby storm is about 500 but mono green in standard is also 500

according to goldfish at least

but ruby storm is one of the cheaper modern decks

[trail anvil]

badgermole cub is so much 😭

[tardy echo]

It’s also worth considering playsets are 4 ofs not 3 ofs

[knotty ferry]

I figured with multiple rarities that would drive the price down but ig not

[tardy echo]

And also as a result of decks being bigger in mtg that also means you feel it more when cards are slightly more expensive

Especially in commander

[tardy echo]

A lot of cards are dirt cheap

[trail anvil]

eh I feel like commander it depends a lot

[knotty ferry]

I mean even for the expensive ones

[tardy echo]

Commander has a lot of extremely cheap decks but when it’s optimized I’m p sure it’s some of the most expensive cardboard in the game

[trail anvil]

the casual nature of the format helps the most but singleton and larger deck size are two sides

[knotty ferry]

Like badger mole cub has 5 rarities but it's still $60 for the cheapest copy?

Do packs in mtg have a weird rarity distribution or what

[trail anvil]

ig if you include staples like the fast mana and dual lands then yeah

probably puts it up there with vintage

[tardy echo]

Yeah

[tardy echo]

Badgermole is like the only actually good mythic in the entire set

[trail anvil]

wan shi tong

[knotty ferry]

Damn

[tardy echo]

Not good in standard but

Also $40

[knotty ferry]

Thugs told me this set was broken...

[tardy echo]

It is

But mythics just don’t trend very good

[knotty ferry]

He and his little guacamole marshmallow pizza

[trail anvil]

appa

[tardy echo]

But like yk how when there’s 1 good secret in a ygo set it costs way more proportionally

[knotty ferry]

Yeah

[tardy echo]

That one’s just not good sorry

[knotty ferry]

That's true

[tardy echo]

It’s that to an extreme

[trail anvil]

nah that's wild

[knotty ferry]

Damn not even wotc can print cards in the right rarity. Crazy

[tardy echo]

Bc there are more mythics + all their stupid chase rarities

[tardy echo]

I have historically never ever believed in bant

I won’t start now

[tardy echo]

While some mythics are for card power much more often they’re for flavor/lore

[trail anvil]

derevi frowns upon you

I feel like duskmourn was the most money standard set in recent memory

[tardy echo]

You would never see a jace at like uncommon for example

[trail anvil]

overlords, enduring cycle, etc

[tardy echo]

Even if the effect sucked

Duskmourn was a weirdly good set for how random it was

[trail anvil]

you say this but chandra got a whole core set

[trail anvil]

the enchantment creatures they designed were pretty pushed tbh

[tardy echo]

Holy I forgot that one existed

You would never see a jace at common*

gg

[trail anvil]

just wait until they do it tmnt style and make 10 different jaces

[tardy echo]

I hope wotc destroys everyone’s mind and prints a common 1 mana planeswalker

[trail anvil]

so deathrite but common?

actually wait I forgot mh3 literally brought 1 mana walkers

[tardy echo]

Deathrite but with the respect he deserves

You’re lying

Oh those don’t count

Flipwalkers aren’t real pws you can bolt them

[knotty ferry]

Oh yeah why is this Jace guy always a Planeswalker I saw like 15 different versions of him in this binder at locals

[tardy echo]

Grr…

[trail anvil]

you can bolt any target oomfie

[tardy echo]

Planeswalkers are (usually) just always planeswalkers

[tardy echo]

Ok fine you can goad them

[gritty nest]

vintage is probably one of the few formats that outpace commander in price

maybe legacy too?

[tardy echo]

Well

[knotty ferry]

But they keep reusing jace

[tardy echo]

I’m gonna sound mean when I say this but

No fucking shit vintage costs more than commander

$15,000 card you play in every deck

[trail anvil]

he was the poster white boi

[tardy echo]

He’s like the main character of the game

[knotty ferry]

Black lotus?

[tardy echo]

Yes

[gritty nest]

no shit, but bringing it up regardless

[trail anvil]

now he still kind of is but he's raising the next white boi

[knotty ferry]

[[black lotus]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/4/black-lotus

Black Lotus <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add three mana of any one color.

[knotty ferry]

Broken

[tardy echo]

Lotus single-handedly is more expensive than the highest end decks in most formats

[trail anvil]

it's okay vintage isn't a real format

[gritty nest]

dont let the 3 vintage players hear you say that

[tardy echo]

Vintage is fun to play online

Cannot fathom how ppl do it in paper

[trail anvil]

either rich or there's no way they should be spending that much on a hobby

[tardy echo]

I think it’s just rich

Vintage crosses a line of unhealthy spending habits that most poor people are physically incapable of crossing

It’s unfort because vintage is actually a v fun format to play

[trail anvil]

time to terminate the reserve list 😌

[knotty ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2032991339684491557

Drewcifer (@DrewIafrate)

I’ve been to a lot of magic tournaments, I mean more than I’m comfortable confirming on the internet, but never not once until today had I seen someone get arrested.

X · Mar 15, 2026, 1:24 AM

What's going on...

[subtle sierra]

wtf

[copper pecan]

according to the comments apparently the guy was throwing things at people

[glad peak]

huh

i've seen worse and not get arrested

[sleek ferry]

It is broken kiddo, if earthbend and [[earthbend ascension]] didn’t exist, mono green wouldn’t exist

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/175/earthbender-ascension

Earthbender Ascension <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, earthbend 2. Then search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a quest counter on this enchantment. When you do, if it has four or more quest counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It gains trample until end of turn.

[copper pecan]

a lot of the good stuff in the lessons package are commons and uncommons

[tardy echo]

Yeah avatar has some crazy uncommons

[copper pecan]

like [[gran-gran]] is high-key goated

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/54/gran-gran

Gran-Gran <:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Peasant Ally
Whenever Gran-Gran becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card.
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast as long as there are three or more Lesson cards in your graveyard.
"It's been so long since I've had hope, but you brought it back to life."
1/2

[fallow citrus]

rest in peace my gran gran she got hit by a bazooka

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I always tell people who are looking to get into standard rn, to buy lessons, the deck is dirt cheap

But spell slinging is also not a playstyle that’s for everybody

[tardy echo]

Yeah I think about her every time I hit the hooka

[fallow citrus]

kaboom

[tardy echo]

Kablow

[sleek ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kablam-nicktoons-gif-9728482

[tardy echo]

@sleek ferry ❓

[fallow citrus]

I still need to pick up some bits to get uw control up to speed again

[sleek ferry]

What happened to affinity….

[fallow citrus]

I never started it

but I need a playable deck so I can farm ladder to buy packs

[sleek ferry]

[[chrome dome]] is the goat

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/172/chrome-dome

Chrome Dome <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Robot Ninja
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+0.
: Create a token that's a copy of another target artifact you control. That token gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Broadcast: Seized. Initiate seek-and-destroy protocols."
1/3

[fallow citrus]

what's your list

I have literally no rare wildcards rn

[sleek ferry]

It’s rare intensive ngl, what’s your current uw list looking like?

[fallow citrus]

i dont have arena on my phone rn so i'll send it later

[sleek ferry]

There’s the Esper control list that plays Firdoch core + all the tribal spells that you might be able to branch off to as well if you already have uw control built

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/XFWmn4U2EH0?si=uQXbUpG1rYAIdWPm

[knotty ferry]

Are there commander tournaments or is that just not a thing

[fallow citrus]

yeah but they're much rarer

[copper pecan]

they exist but they're bad

[urban crane]

Since when was marneus cedh?

[glad peak]

There are but they’re very different from what you think edh is like

[urban crane]

Isn’t edh tournaments largely cedh?

[glad peak]

Yep

And the games become about winning the tournament rather than winning the game (no theyre not the same thing)

But yeah marneus has been viable but not highly played since his intro

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/from-the-chaos-vault-secret-lair-dandan-decklist

[subtle sierra]

look it's the boat format

[zinc shard]

half the deck is foil

[glad peak]

Capture? Why

There’s some sus inclusions here but eh

[sleek ferry]

10+ dollar reprint

[glad peak]

Sure but it’s not something you want to see in dandan

There’s variants in dandan but that’s just way out of place

[sleek ferry]

Iirc they’re going to be releasing an article to explain some of the choices for the deck

[glad peak]

control magic still makes sense somewhat since its effect is close enough to the latest updated lists

but capture is the biggest question mark

[fallow citrus]

it's not a great list

but also some people say when they showed it off at the magiccon it had vision charms optional etc so who knows if there's a chance to change it or smth

[glad peak]

i like the piracy charm variant tbh

vision charm is way too punishing

[golden plover]

People have been able to play the list since magiccon, it's had some bad choices

[glad peak]

Was it worse back then?

Or is it the exact same list

[golden plover]

It was the exact same list, but with vision charms

[atomic harness]

banban

[subtle sierra]

do NOT say that word

mascot horror is forever traumatized due to it

[glad peak]

Fred five night fry fav?

[past socket]

Ah yes The Room of Horror franchises

Was originally serious and awful but now tries to hide behind a veil of irony and comedy

[gritty nest]

What exactly is dandan and how do you play it

[honest berry]

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Forgetful_Fish

[knotty ferry]

[[telling time]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/75/telling-time

Telling Time <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of those cards into your hand, one on top of your library, and one on the bottom of your library.
Time moves strangely in Duskmourn. The terrors of the past snap at the heels of an unknowable future, while the torments of the present stretch into infinity.

[gritty nest]

Sounds interesting

Is the dandan secret lair a limited print run?

Or print to demand

[knotty ferry]

Are any of these cards meta?

I haven't seen any of them (besides island ofc)

[glad peak]

Hell nah

If you’re buying this do not take it apart other than to remove the sus cards

[knotty ferry]

Too broken? Or just not in rotation?

[gritty nest]

I’d just keep the deck together myself

But if it’s limited print I’m not even gonna fuck with it

[glad peak]

When was the dandan secret lair leaked again?

[gritty nest]

Idk

[glad peak]

Someone I know is trying to calculate how long till the goblin one lol

[tardy echo]

Any of the cards in the set that are good aren’t legal in most formats

Most of the cards are just bad

Part of the appeal of dandan is playing a bad deck against itself

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Oamtzm6E0

they explain at around 1:40

[glad peak]

The Thoughtseize bug is real too

[stark skiff]

Also a good episode to watch it played lol

Wish I could buy it but I always have to miss out on these releases. Worst drop times fr.

I just want it for that art

[subtle sierra]

I played dandan once

And now dandan is the boat to me, not the fish

[honest berry]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kai-the-koi-fish-gif-13248012433147656651

[trail anvil]

ain't no way I got hit with the dominion bracelet

hot damn

[honest berry]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-kneel-before-zod-general-zod-gif-20311620

[stark skiff]

It’s always been the boat

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-pJT5PF7zE

This a new episode of the progression series?

https://youtu.be/OFOmA_69_zI

[stark skiff]

Honestly see these guys on MtG content more than I do yugioh lol

[last glen]

it's pretty clear current Yu-Gi-Oh isn't Cimo or Gage's cup of tea
and the gameplay they like is closer to MTG than current Yu-Gi-Oh

[glad peak]

Theyre still in the honeymoon phase and they should do as much videos on it as possible because content

MBT though, I like how he’s doing both now

Like his name implies

Always found it weird that the guy named mono blue tron didnt play magic

[sleek ferry]

You can tell that cimoooo and mbt’s personalities fit in nicely in this type of environment

Gage seems to still be getting his feet wet a bit

Very little banter coming out of him

[glad peak]

I can’t help but wonder what they would think of non-commander play

Mbt obviously knows but I wonder about the others

[sudden lava]

I still need to replace the thirst for knowledge in my Inspirit deck for the MBT art

[sleek ferry]

Tbh, when you already have a primary tcg, I think playing commander alone for most people is enough

[glad peak]

True but if they’re looking to switch then they should take a look at the others

[sleek ferry]

I’m pretty sure most people are just looking for something completely different than what they play. And for Yugioh players since, competitive is the only viable format, I’m sure playing a casual 4 player format is the biggest breath of fresh air you can give them

The only Yugioh communities I would ever recommend 1v1 mtg formats to are goat/edison players, because why are you just playing the worst of both worlds

[glad peak]

I wish domain took off more than it did

[stark skiff]

Its also that most people dont really care to grind out competitive events or play every locals into that lead up for that one big competitve event

[sleek ferry]

I mean it’s less that tbh. If you already have a comp tcg you play, you don’t really want another

Ian Robb is like the exception to this, because god knows how he plays comp mtg and comp Pokémon

And maintains a high level in both

[stark skiff]

idk about honeymoon its been a couple years for both mbt and cimo i think

but yea crazy to see the dudes known for early yugitubing just moving on

[glad peak]

MBT’s been around magic for far longer, that much is known

Gage and cimo, dunno much about them

[sleek ferry]

Cimooo started because of the CGB content iirc

He’s definitely way more comfortable playing his cards now than he was the first time CGB brought him to play commander

[storm elbow]

im p certain mbt talked about gage playing some other format quite happily

[sleek ferry]

I could see gage playing pauper

[storm elbow]

specifically because the popular decks were edison like?
im not good with format names though so i dont remember which one it was

[sleek ferry]

Probably pauper if he said the decks were Edison like

[storm elbow]

no i know pauper and it wasnt that i dont think

[glad peak]

There’s Modern, Legacy, Vintage, Cube, Pauper, Premodern

I doubt it’s vintage, cube, or premodern, just because they’re either super niche or expensive

[storm elbow]

mightve been premodern, that rings a bell

is there some sort of really annoying deck in that format that people were speculating on a pice of it getting banned soon?

[glad peak]

There was one that got banned yep

[sleek ferry]

Oh god not premodern

[glad peak]

Premodern’s a format people like the idea of but not actually playing it, let’s be honest

[sleek ferry]

The funniest thing is when you get the people saying “this is what fair magic used to look like” and then you look at the gameplay and see some of the most degen shit

[storm elbow]

apparently while they were filming the sup episode they met a couople of people that got them into the format

ok i looked at the decks and it was definitely stiflenaught that gage was interested in

[sleek ferry]

Not sure how far apart professor films the episodes, but one of the latest ones was Mengu and Reid duke playing premodern iirc

[glad peak]

Tbh I like premodern because it’s funny but I don’t think most modern magic players would want to be anywhere near that format

[sleek ferry]

I mean, that’s what I said about Edison. Having lived through it, why the hell would I want to play it again, but I find that the majority of Edison players I meet, never played OG Edison

[twilit canyon]

this is true

[sleek ferry]

Meanwhile it’s the opposite for mtg, premodern is literally all the boomers

[twilit canyon]

i am decently entertained by edison but i never played that format when it was current

at all

[sleek ferry]

Because not a single modern player is interested by premodern gameplay

[twilit canyon]

it takes a specific psycho modern mtg player to like premodern

(its me, i like how jank it is)

tho honestly not terribly much

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but you also like legacy and vintage (unsure about this one), so we already knew you had bad taste

[twilit canyon]

i like legacy enough

dont love love vintage tho i rarely if ever play any

[glad peak]

Legacy’s pretty fun

Vintage is meh

[sleek ferry]

I got some mega boomer to download arena just to play timeless when I told him the top decks are snt decks

[twilit canyon]

why did u lie to them

snt is not bad but that format is still for the most part really not snt dominated

[sleek ferry]

Idk the meta, I just went by mtggoldfish. Anyways, they instantly dropped $200 on arena

And next time I saw them, the guy was like “man thank you so much, I haven’t had this much fun since before I got married”

[twilit canyon]

snt is not bad at all

but the 2 big meta decks rn i'd say are frog lists, reanimator (non-frog) and energy

after that its snt

[fallow citrus]

damn dandan deck already gone

[glad peak]

I’m surprised they’re not in the format for frog

[fallow citrus]

good thing wotc does print to order

[twilit canyon]

esper tempo is picking up steam

aka frog is starting to pick up heavily

[glad peak]

Frog is hella fun

[twilit canyon]

but reanimator (mono black) is the current defacto deck to beat i think

[glad peak]

Every boomer I’ve seen loves frog

[twilit canyon]

i think frog uniquely in timeless... feels fair

these decks are genuinely hard to play

[stark skiff]

goddamnit now to find someone who bought one

[honest berry]

you'll find it on tcg player or card market in a month

[fallow citrus]

love being scalped

[glad peak]

My friend keeps begging me to write a bot that would buy for him and keeps promising he won’t use it to scalp

I’m inclined to not believe him

[honest berry]

do not give the fancy calculator economic control

[glad peak]

I was thinking about making it to show him how many he COULD have bought with it but not actually buy anything

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[stark skiff]

lol i hope to find it from a friend before i get fucked on scalper prices

[glad peak]

now i'm debating making the bot to buy everything but sell it at a reasonable price + shipping lol

[knotty ferry]

it's over for me

omg hes actually playing the sephiroth deck

[sleek ferry]

Man got matched up vs his idol

[vivid hatch]

Why do people give a shit about these FOMO slop lairs

just build dandan with singles holy shit

way cooler to have the OG prints too

[zinc shard]

It's more convenient to buy them all from one source, plus these are unique arts you cant get anywhere else.

Plus some people just like the novelty

[vivid hatch]

slop reprints

idc

[glad peak]

the unique arts are very pretty

[vivid hatch]

for stuff like this I feel it’s so much nicer to have what the time appropriate print was

aka when the format was conceived

[glad peak]

just because the old stuff is old doesn't mean it's the best

[zinc shard]

thats fine, its not for everyone

[vivid hatch]

best is subjective, most period-appropriate isn’t

[copper pecan]

i'd assume "period-appropriate" isn't the priority for most players

[glad peak]

the original gameplay of forgetful fish is pretty bad without changes to the pool, maybe we should ignore those changes too

[copper pecan]

people who want the older prints wouldn't be buying the secret lair in the first place so there's no reason for it to be targeted towards them

[vivid hatch]

meh, imo there’s 2 ways to go about it:

• cheapest
• OG

[vivid hatch]

anything else is weird

[gritty nest]

I’m assuming proxy is mushed into cheapest

[vivid hatch]

As an option yes

[glad peak]

i'm guessing you hate any reprints as well

[gritty nest]

Reprint everything

[copper pecan]

it's not weird for people to have aesthetic preferences that don't match yours

[gritty nest]

I want 300 black lotus prints

[vivid hatch]

No I love reprints, reprints are great

But they’re inherently not cool

[glad peak]

cool is subjective

[vivid hatch]

OG print is always bling and reprints are cheap, that’s their utility

[vivid hatch]

What’s cooler, a modern masters sprite or a lorwyn sprite

arts the same

card isn’t pricy at all regardless

[glad peak]

idc about a tiny set symbol

[copper pecan]

tbh i think the current frame looks better than the pre-m15 frame so i'd have to go with the modern masters one

[vivid hatch]

see yeah there’s the difference, it’s the set symbol and the time it was printed and also the frame

[vivid hatch]

That’s a matter of taste, I can understand preferring the new border even if I vehemently disagree

[glad peak]

so you care about cards because they're... old?

[vivid hatch]

But I just feel like there’s always something about it being the first printing

[glad peak]

print quality is pretty consistent so idk what the point of hunting specifically original art is

[vivid hatch]

yep pretty much I feel there’s inherent value in something being the first time it was set onto the presses

[glad peak]

this all feels just like the people who hated white borders because it's newer than black border idk

[vivid hatch]

Not just original art - original print, as in the spellstutter example

[vivid hatch]

The logic is closer to “when this was printed it wasn’t as intentional as it is now”

reprints are pretty targeted towards things we already know are good

[glad peak]

yeah idk lmao just like the cards you like, there's nothing wrong with the dandan secret lair

one of the only secret lairs which actually look good

[vivid hatch]

whereas OG print in a way represents a sort of naïveté

[glad peak]

i don't really see that but eh

[vivid hatch]

I’ll concede that I think the fish are gorgeous

I’ll still stick with OGs tho 😛 I care about that more

[glad peak]

i've played with the OGs for so long i think i prefer the new ones lol (i wish there was a better config of the decklist tho)

[atomic harness]

Hello mr mudkip
is it true that if you play turbo seat 4 isn't so bad

I was thinking about sogRi the other day

[glad peak]

hell naw, turbo seat 4 sucksss

[zinc shard]

on a slightly related note i'd love to learn Dandan sometime

[atomic harness]

hmm wouldn't it suck less than smth like sisay or marneus seat 4

or is blue farm seat 4 chill because you can maybe put down an esper sentinel or something

Trying to figure out what's like the least bad seat 3-4 deck

[glad peak]

roggy poggy and his friend tidus

marneus would love seat 4 too because he wants to play value pieces and control

but again no one really wants to be there

all the advantages you can get trying to slow down the game on seat 4 you could've used to protect yourself seat 1

[atomic harness]

Just don't go last amirite

do I build kinnan or rog thras little mudkip

[glad peak]

depends

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

kinnan isn't in a great spot right now but is the best beginner commander

[atomic harness]

I think I want to play rog thras but I have no idea how hands should usually look like

you need to find cradle right or else

[glad peak]

semi-blue's a meme that won't work in the US lol

you need a way to find cradle, cradle itself, value pieces, or ways to make sure you don't die until you hit those pieces

[atomic harness]

Sounds difficult

[glad peak]

nah trust me it's easy

[atomic harness]

Thoughts on that rog ishai thing ppl keep hyping? feels a little troll

[glad peak]

speaking of, i did a sick play of cracking emergence zone, having someone try to win on top of me, then used peter parker's camera to copy zone and go off

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

rog ishai is... weird

contradictory game plans, idk what pod makeup you'd want to play it in

[atomic harness]

The kids were hyping it up as like the best control deck ever

Sounds Uber troll man

[glad peak]

you play the colors for gifts and intuition combo so you have 1cc win conditions but you want to play control because ishai is so slow

[atomic harness]

Said it was better than rogsi because of intuition sevines rec lines yeah

but it's rly slow

[glad peak]

you have no way to tutor into anything relevant which is huge

well, without mana at least

and you're not gonna get mana

[atomic harness]

mox amber for red

[glad peak]

unless taru + tithe is good enough? lmao

[atomic harness]

it feels like a bad version of pogsi and blue farm at the same time??

[glad peak]

but i don't think it's possible that those are good enough

[atomic harness]

former is faster latter has more tools

[glad peak]

and your attacking gameplan is weaker since you don't get card advantage

[atomic harness]

Tymna chan gets me cards...

[glad peak]

in ishai?

[atomic harness]

Oh I meant blue farm

[twilit canyon]

i dont even disagree but lol

[atomic harness]

over ishai thing

Boseiju...

[glad peak]

so i love ishai

[atomic harness]

Hang on let me get the video mudkip

it's weird

[glad peak]

i just don't like it's mana cost or colors

[atomic harness]

https://youtu.be/PYEzDwe1PvA?si=hARDwo3cK63MeOvR

[tardy echo]

Crazy how ppl lose to titan and blame anything but the cards that have enabled 17 different flavors of the same deck in just about as many years

[atomic harness]

Like they were hyping it gets to play commandeer

but why not just play commandeer in rogsi or blue farm

[tardy echo]

Boseiju is a little crazy but… yk…

Imagine if ppl were losing to nadu and said to ban boseiju

[glad peak]

commandeer is played in some decks as a flex slot

[sleek ferry]

Maybe if 70% of OG mtg art didn’t look like a high schooler drew it, this would be a respectable opinion

Capping for terrible art because “omg vintage is good” is sad

[atomic harness]

Thank you thugs

[tardy echo]

We should reprint fetches back into standard with new art

The new shocks were beautiful

[sleek ferry]

The dandan SL exclusive arts are literally gorgeous

[glad peak]

but yeah the only reason you'd play it in ishai consistently is because there aren't many other good options lmao

[tardy echo]

[glad peak]

wait, emrakul???

[atomic harness]

I don't remember what emrakul was for
He said you take someone's turn

and try to win off that

[sleek ferry]

I own all the full art double sided shocks btw

Trying to get playsets

To stunt on ren

[twilit canyon]

true

truth nuke

[atomic harness]

The shocks are good my son

[glad peak]

or you can just try to win on your turn with a card that's hella more cheap, like the red extra turn spells

[sleek ferry]

I actually think we will get fetches back in standard

When eoe and Lorwyn rotate though

[glad peak]

but yeah this deck is... questionable

[atomic harness]

Thank you little one

Final Fortune-sama...

[sleek ferry]

So 2028/2029 probably

[glad peak]

i know the youtuber hypes decks that win 1 event quite a lot but eh

[atomic harness]

Yeah feels like a lucky fluke idk

[glad peak]

i can't wait for people to play this at the cedh event near me and get blown out whenever people counter their 1cc and they waste all their counters

[sleek ferry]

They’ll make sure that when they print fetches back in standard, they don’t have as many synergies as they would have right now (with shocks, cards like super shredder in the format, etc)

[atomic harness]

Like if your intuition gets stopped you basically lose

and you don't have good backups

breach?

[twilit canyon]

we should have a standard with super shredder + moonshadow and shocks for a lil bit

[atomic harness]

@ misty / thugs is there a decent orzhov deck w the dark leo thing

or the heliod Leo

[twilit canyon]

its usually esper

[atomic harness]

maybe tmnt is a good set after all

[twilit canyon]

im personally not a huge fan of the list as a whole, it feels a bit volatile, but i also dont play much standard rn

[atomic harness]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-2003-think-thinking-ninja-turtles-gif-24423442

[twilit canyon]

my time on arena is spent in timeless/historic or drafting

[glad peak]

Your backup is slam ishai and kill them

[atomic harness]

in...4 turns?

[twilit canyon]

less depending on how much ishai is fed

[glad peak]

Just draw all your counterspells duh

[atomic harness]

nodding
So uhh figuring out what to build next then

[glad peak]

Wait I know exactly what pod I want to see when I ply this deck

[atomic harness]

options are pogsi blue farm and something w thrasios

[tardy echo]

They are so beautiful

[glad peak]

I want to see people on turbo/stax clone strats

[tardy echo]

It would also be funny to have the best mana base ever created in standard of all formats

[glad peak]

And this event was won almost immediately after aang got big, right?

[twilit canyon]

they will never reprint true duals

unfort

[tardy echo]

Well those are cheating

Aren’t true duals reserve

[atomic harness]

Oh yeah thoughts on the crossroads aang deck mudkip?

It looks fun

[glad peak]

It is

[atomic harness]

Sounds better than this rog ishai thing

[glad peak]

Sort of

[twilit canyon]

yea

[glad peak]

You feed a random player the win half the time on aang

[tardy echo]

So that’s cheating

Having fetch shock passage verges would be more than enough

Best possible mana u can have in a non legacy/vintage format

[sleek ferry]

I think we’ll get standard with fetches and triomes in the near future tbh

Fetches, triomes and what are those lands that have a land type but need 2 basic lands to come in untapped

[[clifftop retreat]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/155/clifftop-retreat

Clifftop Retreat

Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a Mountain or a Plains.
: Add or .
The sunlight falls pristine on the temple at Epityr, softened by the remembered shadows of angelic saviors' wings.

[sleek ferry]

Not this one

[[radiant summit]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/23/radiant-summit

Radiant Summit

Land — Mountain Plains
(: Add or .)
This land enters tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
"The Tapestry weaves worlds on its own. All we do is tend to the process." —Antioxa, Drix elder

[sleek ferry]

Yeah these, tango lands

[glad peak]

Nah

All variants of city of ass

[sleek ferry]

We should be getting a return to Ikoria set in either 2027 or 2028

Maybe even a return to zendikar

https://fxtwitter.com/a_wet_box/status/2033373271652004243?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Used Car Salesman (@A_Wet_Box)

1st*/34 rcq - Jeskai Momo - 7-1-1
︀︀1 - Boros Momo WLL
︀︀2 - Naya Yuna WW
︀︀3 - Azorius Otters LWW
︀︀4 - Bant Cub LWW
︀︀5 - Boros Dragons WW
︀︀6- ID
︀︀7 - Izzet Prowess WW
︀︀8 - Izzet Spellementals WLW
︀︀9 - Boros Momo rematch*
︀︀*I was the only sicko who would play a 2 hr mirror just for the mat

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FxTwitter · Mar 16, 2026, 2:42 AM

[knotty ferry]

The rizzler

[tardy echo]

I feel like shock fetch triome verge would be better just so u don’t have that much pain

[tardy echo]

But also tangos are kind of worse than verges no?

Esp if you’re doing 3c+ you aren’t playing that many basics and they don’t feel great to fetch for

[atomic harness]

https://youtu.be/wJoZQlQli3I?si=sd_rLrkLt6rMZAUp

Rog thras was really good here @glad peak

[glad peak]

Always is

[atomic harness]

I think I'm convinced nyaruhodo

[glad peak]

Don’t play the breach version

[stark skiff]

Damn who bought out the Endless Foot Assault surge foils? Only 3 listings at like $40

[copper pecan]

[[endless foot assault]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmc/8/endless-foot-assault

Endless Foot Assault <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Squad (As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may pay any number of times. When this enchantment enters, create that many tokens that are copies of it.)
Whenever you attack, for each opponent, create a 1/1 black Ninja creature token that's tapped and attacking that player.

[honest berry]

I finally remembered why I call [[Sephiroth, Fabled Soldier]], Jeff! As soon as I got the card and decided to make the deck, I was calling it Jeff or Jeffiroth and had no clue why I did it. I finally saw the clip again of Distantcoder looking at this stupid custom mat.

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/115/sephiroth-fabled-soldier-sephiroth-one-winged-angel

Sephiroth, Fabled SOLDIER <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Soldier
Whenever Sephiroth enters or attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, draw a card.
Whenever another creature dies, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life. If this is the fourth time this ability has resolved this turn, transform Sephiroth.
3/3

Sephiroth, One-Winged Angel
Legendary Creature — Angel Nightmare Avatar
Flying
Super Nova — As this creature transforms into Sephiroth, One-Winged Angel, you get an emblem with "Whenever a creature dies, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life."
Whenever Sephiroth attacks, you may sacrifice any number of other creatures. If you do, draw that many cards.
5/5

[golden plover]

Dream Beavers has me debating if hands like this are keepable

[sleek ferry]

I would high key keep lol, on the draw + dream beavers, surely we draw into a land right?!?

[golden plover]

I kept and we lost because of it. Drew into a reef and never saw a land again

[trail anvil]

1 land + scry is never a keep, I never trust rng enough

been screwed over more times than I thought was statistically probable

[golden plover]

Yeah, I knew I shouldn't have kept it realistically

There wasn't a high enough chance I'd hit 2 lands in a row

[sleek ferry]

You went dream beavers > dream beavers ? Or did you get greedy and hold up the hex for interaction

[golden plover]

Dream Beavers Dream Beavers

Holding up for the hex was actually more correct

Either way, shouldn't have kept

[sleek ferry]

Nah that’s hindsight talking, you always dream beaver dream beaver, unless you were vsing exactly that annoying ass mono white deck

[golden plover]

It was Izzet prowess

The hex would've been the better move on 2

[tardy echo]

When has a 1 lander without extra mana ever been keepable

[sleek ferry]

sigh, you have much to learn young one

[tardy echo]

Rdw doesn’t count

gg

[golden plover]

Dream Beavers gets you the other lands

And that card is just insane value

It's like if Spyglass Siren was good

[sleek ferry]

sigh spyglass siren represents 2 mana

[tardy echo]

This is crazy cope I’m sorry

[golden plover]

Lmao just had a landfall player curve torpor orb into badgermole cub into scoop

[tardy echo]

Torpor orb holy moly

[golden plover]

Tbf orb hits a decent bit of Dimir

Not enough to win the game, but it hits drowner, beavers, spyglass siren (if you play bad cards), bat, and tidebinder

[tardy echo]

It also hits a large number of decks in the format to the degree they can’t really play it

[golden plover]

Yeah it lost them the game lol because it turns off their own ETBs too

Sorry your cub doesn't get to do anything

[tardy echo]

What if bant pixie @sleek ferry…

What if 4c pixie……

[subtle sierra]

finally cake is thinking like me

5c is waiting for you

[tardy echo]

Not much reason to play red in that deck

[subtle sierra]

you'll find it dw

i believe in you

[tardy echo]

I have looked

U would not believe how much time I’ve spent literally just searching cards with ETBs that are standard legal

[sleek ferry]

play Naya Tokens like a boss

[subtle sierra]

sigh we need experemental synthesizer back

[golden plover]

Also I'm back on [[Kaito, Cunning Infiltrator]] coping

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/44/kaito-cunning-infiltrator

Kaito, Cunning Infiltrator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a loyalty counter on Kaito.
+1: Up to one target creature you control can't be blocked this turn. Draw a card, then discard a card.
−2: Create a 2/1 blue Ninja creature token.
−9: You get an emblem with "Whenever a player casts a spell, you create a 2/1 blue Ninja creature token."
Loyalty: 3

[sleek ferry]

synthesizer sucks

[golden plover]

This card is actually good as hell

[tardy echo]

Ew

I hate naya

[golden plover]

The combination of Infiltrator and Beavers won me the mirror by drawing beavers into beavers to stabilize and using Kaito to make blockers

[sleek ferry]

go ninja go

[golden plover]

Just play that Jeskai flicker list if you wanna pretend that card is good

[tardy echo]

Why would this card make me play naya

I have to say that boros is far and away my least favorite color pairing to play in the game

I think all the cool stuff that W/R both have are much better utilized by any other color besides eachother and the only thing they help eachother do well is boring shit

[subtle sierra]

fuck boros

helix is the only good boros card

[tardy echo]

Helix is a bitch made card too sorry

Burn

[sleek ferry]

Boros is based

Boros Energy = 🐐

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/spelltable-voice-moderation

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1483497321139273868/image.png?ex=69bace0b&is=69b97c8b&hm=3f2f3dbe418dacd8d9165ebfccebc5e4b7c54e3db5f7bd56dcccac08b02e88f7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1308&height=752

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1483497432498045061/image.png?ex=69bace25&is=69b97ca5&hm=a147435675948c1002d9874011628bb38ea5dcd6be5dbdd4cd21f1d9ca48d5eb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1249&height=737

SO CUTE

[glad peak]

Damn I wonder where I’ve seen this before

[golden plover]

This is the video where they say some dumb shit like "Just use a sharpie to black out the art if you don't like UB" yeah?

[glad peak]

Yep

[golden plover]

Fucking wild ass take

[glad peak]

And then went on to say “if you’re playing competitively and don’t like UB then screw you, it’s your fault for wanting to play competitively”

[golden plover]

Yup. I saw that part as a short

Sorry I want my cards to be sorta cohesive and don't want a bunch of turtles and spidermen in my wizards and monsters deck

[glad peak]

And people wonder why I view casual commander YouTube and people who watch them as a cesspool

Aside from the rampant “I’ll never pay taxes” mentality they impose onto people

[golden plover]

Casual commander players having takes on 60 card formats is really funny

"The average spike doesn't care what's on the art of their cards. They could be all black boxes with no text" was crazy

[glad peak]

Maybe there’s some merit to it because some early day cards were fugly but you had to play them

Maybe we’re going back to that era

“If you actually think about it, characters are just functions” lookin ass

[golden plover]

True. But like I know a lot of players wouldn't have gotten into this game if the art had always been ugly or always been UB

Magic's setting and art brought a lot of pros in

[glad peak]

Yeah idk how cope got this bad but last time this happened it was bad for the game, literally killed it

[golden plover]

I dunno, it feels like a lot of toxic positivity stuff now

"People like these IPs so if you complain about anything at all related to UB you're hurting someone's feelings"

It's why the professor has to start every slightly negative video with like 5 minutes of him saying he's not trying to be mean to anyone or make someone feel bad

Especially because Maro and Gavin always talk about how every UB set was designed with love and care and how they're the best selling sets of all time

[glad peak]

Screw that hurt them feels

[golden plover]

I honestly feel bad for the professor when he's gotta spend 5 minutes every video emphasizing that he loves the game, and that if you like a UB property that's fine, but there's a lot of valid issues to be had rn

[past socket]

Some people just do want to be absolute assholes about it unfortunately. The internet do be a wild place sometimes

[glad peak]

The problem I have with it is it coming into standard and modern but the whole “cards are just functions get over it” mentality makes me want to get toxic towards them

[golden plover]

Yeah I'd love to play all in-universe versions of cards when I can, but they stopped doing that

So I'm gonna have to get someone to paint over the stupid fucking turtle on these

I'd be fine with UB if it was just commander only or I had the option to opt out of it. But I don't love having ads for other properties on my cards

[past socket]

Honestly agree and it is a symptom of WOTC needing to chill with products overall

[glad peak]

And then there’s the group who have the whole “ads are good, actually, the game would die without them” mentality

[golden plover]

Yeah it's definitely that, and the impact on formats like standard is crazy

7 sets this year means we're gonna have the biggest standard ever come rotation

And it's because 4 sets worth of ads for things millennials have nostalgia for have to go through standard

But it really sucks there's not a single format where you can opt out of UB cards

[tardy echo]

I’m pretty ambivalent on UB as far as opinions go but I think specifically the streak we’ve been getting has been ridiculous

It’s one thing if a UB is thematically in line (D&D, LoTR, etc.)

But when the beautiful city of New York is the most visited plane of the year we need to take a step back here

[golden plover]

Yeah stuff like FF and LoTR, even avatar are kinda fine because they're thematically close. Still wish we could opt out but they're whatever

[tardy echo]

I also don’t know why we couldn’t just get UBs as big collector pieces that are either primarily collectible cards like secret lairs

[golden plover]

I draw the line if the characters in a UB could feasibly know what magic the gathering is (Doctor Who, Spiderman, TMNT has a card where they're actively playing magic)

[tardy echo]

Like surely nowhere in the agreement between wotc and friends did they need to print 500 cards for tmnt

But clearly that ship has sailed so I’ll take concessions where I can

[golden plover]

Because if they made them commander decks only they couldn't sell randomized packs? I dunno

Although they did that anyways with Doctor Who?

[tardy echo]

I don’t even mean commander exc I mean like

[subtle sierra]

they had avatar jumpstart

[tardy echo]

SL treatment vibe where u just reskin a shit ton of random cards into UB

[subtle sierra]

just make that

[tardy echo]

Like walking dead

[golden plover]

I mean, I'm fine with mechanically unique if they were commander only

Because I can just choose to not use them in commander and if I have to run one, I can proxy new art/name for the card

I just don't see why every UB set has to go through standard now

[tardy echo]

The real reason is prob just that having more cards = feeling of more options = better feeling

Shrug

[tardy echo]

Also nobody ever answered wtf goes on in this show

Why are there nightmare beavers draining human life force

[golden plover]

I remember looking up one of the commons with a friend and we found out she's apparently a goddess of wind? And that if you collect all four winds you get a rock?

Ninja Turtles lore seems kinda dumb lol

All this shit and we still got 7 versions of each turtle

[glad peak]

Don’t worry, it’ll be get better when we get 10 versions of each kpop member and combination of kpop members in kpop demon hunters

Totally

[golden plover]

That's another UB issue that's only part of the problem

If you have to do like 12 versions of each character to fill in the gaps, the IP isn't suited for MTG

[glad peak]

If they do that then make SLs of current kpop idols then theyre gonna have a ton more sales and then the whole thing about “UB is good, actually” will be drowned out by kpop fans

Problem solved

And given wotc’s track record of not drawing faces well recently (exhibit a-z: MIKU), it’s more likely kpop fans will come to kill us all

[golden plover]

Huh so there's only 36 spidermen total, and 42 ninja turtles

There's actually more turtles than spider men and I'm SURE the turtles represent less characters

[glad peak]

And there’s even less kpop idols in kpop demon hunters

So I don’t actually think they’ll do an entire set for kpop but I have a bad feeling

[golden plover]

Surely they'll get a single commander deck, no?

Or like a superdrop

[glad peak]

I think if anything it’ll be like the Godzilla one where they’ll make them the bonus sheet from an existing set, where that set’s hat is kpop

Because when kpop demon hunters came out I did joke about a new set coming out where it’s kpop related

What do you mean you don’t want to see jace and his illusions singing and dancing half naked on stage

[subtle sierra]

turtles is the set with the most legendaries

and ofc due to size the biggest ratio

[glad peak]

I really hope this is the case but they’ve shown they can make a small character cast expand an entire set so I’m wary

[copper pecan]

i can't bring myself to feel bad about a guy who constantly complains all the time like him

he has personally had an enormous negative impact on the community by being so negative all the time

he constantly brings up how much he dislikes ub even when it's completely irrelevant to whatever he was talking about

he's poisoning the discourse

[subtle sierra]

i mean hating is fine, but if you spread hate without any arguments, meh

[sleek ferry]

I mean the issue here is that 90% of anti UB arguments come down to “but my magic story…”. The game is bigger than it has ever been, it’s doing better than it ever had, we’re getting relevant cards every set., and we’re in one of the best standard metas of all time. If you told any other tcg player they could have this, they would take it in an instant (not sorcery heh)

Imagine UB didn’t exist and we had never gotten the bending mechanics, the game would be much less interesting because of it

[copper pecan]

i feel like having the largest content creator for the game be someone who hates a large portion of the game is not good for the community

[subtle sierra]

oh def

[glad peak]

Generally no

But the market says otherwise so

[sleek ferry]

I think the issue is even worse than this btw, as per him, his head writer for his content (Jessie) hates UB more than him

So now you got 2 people working together to create content on something they already have biased views on

Meant UB not standard

Brain is fried

I will say, and I get where people like Mengu get annoyed, when discussing things in a 1v1 format and you have that 1 random person coming in and say “you guys don’t know what you guys are talking about, this card is broken in commander”

[glad peak]

Yeah I feel for mengu

[past socket]

Oh yeah I deeply agree here. It’s why I tend to shut up and listen to folks who know limited far more than a dabbler like mois

[glad peak]

I really hate how many people say lightning bolt is a bad card because of commander

[past socket]

Standard has been heaps mad beeteedubs

And ofc not hesitate to ask questions

[sleek ferry]

This is the only part where I will I get where people get annoyed about commander players; when a commander player feels the need to make any magic discussion about commander

[glad peak]

Usually I don’t mind if they say “in commander” but nah instead they go ahead and say “in magic”

[sleek ferry]

you see it from other niche formats too like legacy/vintage/pauper players, but the player count is so much bigger for commander that you just end up seeing it more often

[fallow citrus]

what I do like about mengu is that it's not like he won't play commander either

see like so many cardmarket videos

how real is this lmao
https://x.com/i/status/2033861002245378229

神野束音@Kamino Tabane (@Kamino_Tabane_M)

A new deck.
Turn 3 kill.

I was impressed by the hidden power of pizza.

Even so, it's fast.

X · Mar 17, 2026, 11:00 AM

[subtle sierra]

what's the combo here

[fallow citrus]

apparently its shown here
https://youtu.be/NGHh3RFQ2HI?si=wKVSgHUvmWkp7XEE

not watched it yet

[subtle sierra]

ah dome copies pizza to pump liza for infinite mana

idt the outlet for infinite mana matters much

i just didn't see how you infinite

[sleek ferry]

Too frail, but it is something you can do

[sudden lava]

they said in the new video that elementals, fractals, pests, inklings, and spirits are all gonna get some focus on in this set

[sleek ferry]

I mean yeah, that all lines up with classic strixhaven

[sudden lava]

but even more so, more creatures themselves will have the types rather then mainly tokens

[trail anvil]

actual creatures with the types sounds really cool, nice

[honest berry]

Makes me think of the Weird creature type. There’s only 15 (well 14 actually because one’s a flip phyrexian)

They’re also exclusive to red and blue

[subtle sierra]

that's weird

[glad peak]

Do we have a weird token? I can’t remember

[subtle sierra]

a few apparently

[past socket]

I saw Experimental Overload and Thunderheads for Weird tokens

[subtle sierra]

ye

and the first one is a saga

idk why it gives it a mana cost but ok

[sudden lava]

Im gonna call it now, the wubrg commander of the set is gonna be oops all mascots

[knotty ferry]

bruh

i just got cooked by a pure food deck

green black

[[ygra eater of all]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/241/ygra-eater-of-all

Ygra, Eater of All <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Cat
Ward—Sacrifice a Food.
Other creatures are Food artifacts in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this permanent: You gain 3 life."
Whenever a Food is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on Ygra.
6/6

[knotty ferry]

HOW DO I BEAT THIS

[trail anvil]

welcome to magic

[[shoot the sheriff]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/106/shoot-the-sheriff

Shoot the Sheriff <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target non-outlaw creature. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws. Everyone else is fair game.)
"Now, where is that deputy?" —Jana, Hellspur thunderslinger

[sudden lava]

but did they feed it pizza?

[[ninja pizza]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmc/32/ninja-pizza

Ninja Pizza <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Foods you control have ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color."
At the beginning of your second main phase, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
The pizza that vanishes quickly without a trace.

[knotty ferry]

wait but does this work

bcc of the ward

i dont have food

[trail anvil]

all your creatures become food

[knotty ferry]

oh

[sudden lava]

You have food, it comes from you fighting a Ygra

[knotty ferry]

lol

[sudden lava]

in the same breath as the Uno meme

[knotty ferry]

fighting? isnt it just a continuous effect?

i dont have to be battling it right

[trail anvil]

there are also ways to get around ward like destroying the whole board

[sudden lava]

fighting as in, playing against it in a game of Magic the gathering

[trail anvil]

or removal that doesn't target

[knotty ferry]

oh ok that makes sense

[sudden lava]

Ninja Pizza is silly in ygra, sacrificing them as pseudo-treasure counts

[tardy echo]

There’s also based card nowhere to run

[knotty ferry]

Dude I feel like I lose so many games bc I don't have enough creatures

Like once I get to the loop of enduring curiosity/kaito + flyer, the game is easy, but getting there feels so hard

I probably play too passive

[atomic harness]

Let's put more creatures in your deck little one

[knotty ferry]

Like, I always put the tap lands first, but sometimes that turns off an instant in my hand

Which ig isn't worth it

Or sometimes I just don't summon guys which is probably bad

[atomic harness]

You Defo want the tap lands first bc you get screwed over with your little manabase...

You usually summon a guy unless you rly need to hold up or use a removal spell

or a counterspell

[glad peak]

Creatures are for the weak

Repeatable value? Combat damage? Terms created by those without discipline

[knotty ferry]

bruh i just got killed by some white deck

ahhhh

IM TILTED

[trail anvil]

white certainly is a color in magic

[glad peak]

When they do the fnaf UB they should bring back the idea for the color purple

[trail anvil]

keep it exclusive to that set until the Barney secret lair comes out

[glad peak]

Of course

Wouldn’t want it any other way

In fact that could be the purple block

[trail anvil]

good idea

[knotty ferry]

HOLY SHIT I JUST WON A CRAZY GAME

vs blue green or some shit

with [[summon: leviathan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/77/summon:-leviathan

Summon: Leviathan <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Saga Leviathan
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Return each creature that isn't a Kraken, Leviathan, Merfolk, Octopus, or Serpent to its owner's hand.
II, III — Until end of turn, whenever a Kraken, Leviathan, Merfolk, Octopus, or Serpent attacks, draw a card.
Ward
6/6

[knotty ferry]

i think it was some merfolk turbo deck idk

[atomic harness]

Good job little one

[knotty ferry]

I'm bronze 3 now

Holy shittr

IM GATHERING SO MUCH MAGIC RN

[tardy echo]

[sleek ferry]

The high of learning mtg for the first time, there’s nothing like it

[trail anvil]

this mwm has ajani banned

potential leak for the next list? 👀

probably not but I'd like to think so

[stark skiff]

whats the red zone

[glad peak]

a zone where you're red

[golden plover]

Secret lair where half the cards have the wrong name on them? Surely these aren't confusing

Also, this is like $5 in cards lol

Wait Precedent with the rules for Surgeon General Commander dictates that the Island Mountain is technically a new card called Island Mountain

[sleek ferry]

Nah this is an X through the name

Also, I’m pretty confident the bonus card for this set will be a mox

[subtle sierra]

Pog new basic land

Izzet keeps winning

[golden plover]

[[Surgeon General Commander]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/und/72/surgeon-general-commander

Surgeon General Commander <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Wombat Bat Chameleon
Whenever you augment, enchant, or mutate a creature you control, draw a card.
: Add , , , , or .
Likes: augmentation, fluffy animals, creative templating.
3/3

[golden plover]

His name still includes the "General" lol

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, General has a line through it

They can easily say line is fine, X isn’t

[golden plover]

Yeah obviously this isn't exactly the same, but because of the rules regarding him you can argue in bad faith that this is a new basic island mountain

[sleek ferry]

But yeah, I think the bonus card might be a mox opal or maybe a mox amber

[golden plover]

0% chance it's a mopal

Like actually 0%

$200 card

Mox amber is also $80 for some reason

So I'd wager neither have a shot

[sleek ferry]

There’s a theme here, so a mox is one of the few cards it can be

Mox Amber would make the most sense since it’s a Deadpool secret lair technically

[golden plover]

I cannot see them putting a $80 or $200 bonus card in the SL

If it's a mox it's [[Mox Tantalite]] lol

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/226/mox-tantalite

Mox Tantalite

Artifact
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
: Add one mana of any color.

[sleek ferry]

As a bonus card? It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve done it. It wouldn’t even be the first time in the last year they’ve done it

They love doing the whole X valuable card or X worthless card as bonus cards bit

[golden plover]

What bonus card has been over $50 in the last year?

[honest berry]

blacker lotus

from the first deadpool drop

[sleek ferry]

Blacker lotus from the last Deadpool secret lair is literally more expensive than mopal lol

[golden plover]

But that's also the chase drop

It's not the standard bonus card. The average person got Harmless Offering

[honest berry]

looking for budget river song decks and I found one with an estimated price of roughly $1100. curiosity demands i know why this thing is so dang expensive. skim through, see a few $30ish cards, then i found it. 78% of the deck's entire value. very last card in the list. Volcanic Island for $860.

[knotty ferry]

@sleek ferry I started TMNT draft on mtg arena

I defeated some green deck

Playing your favorite card, guacamole and marshmallow pizza

But I also lost to some white black deck

With sneak

[[Leonardo big brother]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/14/leonardo-big-brother

Leonardo, Big Brother <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Sneak (You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step. He enters tapped and attacking.)
Leonardo gets +1/+0 for each other creature you control.
1/3

[knotty ferry]

And some equipment that equips when a ninja enters and gives you life when you land an attack

Forgot the name

[lusty trench]

Sol ring and bolt make it money

The furby sol ring is money

[tardy echo]

What are you trying to say about the second best SL of all time

[sleek ferry]

First value wise is SpongeBob

The Mr Krabs smothering tithe and spongebob counter spell are $500 and $200 respectively

[golden plover]

You gotta realize that 90% of people don't pull those tho

We don't know the exact odds, but the chase pulls kinda don't really count for regular SLD value

Most people get the regular bonus

[sleek ferry]

Was the counterspell not part of the regular lair, or am I bugging

[golden plover]

Nope chase variant

If you're going by that argument than the fallout special lair and one of the 80 Miku lairs are the best value because they both have $1500 bonus cards

[sleek ferry]

Well the miku one was money regardless iirc

[golden plover]

The most expensive card you were guaranteed in a SL was the galaxy foil sol Ring at $200

But you can't really count chase variant bonus cards as part of a SL's value when most people don't pull them

[sleek ferry]

We also had stuff like the all shocks SL that they printed during kaldheim

For the Godzilla secret lair, I think all the Godzilla basics are now between $20-30 a pop

[golden plover]

Tbh there really shouldn't be bonus chases in SLs ngl

Everyone should get the same bonus card

Feels like shit to have a lair only worth it if you pull a super rare bonus that they don't even disclose the odds of

[sleek ferry]

I mean nobody is obligated to buy SL’s

[golden plover]

I mean yeah, but it's dumb to have an extra lottery on top of the SL

Oh sorry you pulled the harmless offering and not the blacker lotus, guess your lair wasn't worth shit

[sleek ferry]

Well you shouldn’t be buying SL’s for the bonus cards

You should be buying them for the guaranteed cards in them

If you’re buying them solely for the value, you’re no better than a pokemon scalper imo

[golden plover]

I mean, yeah. But when a lair is $50 and the cards are only worth like $5, but there's a chase bonus that's $100, it feels like shit

[sleek ferry]

Well yeah that’s the point, and how I’ve always interpreted the purpose of secret lairs since the beginning; if you like the art/treatment of that secret lair buy it to support the artist (iirc the art series SL’s for example, the artist gets a bigger direct cut from the sales)

[tardy echo]

Idk SLs arent meant to be product you plus on anyways

I already am of the opinion that card games are not a hobby meant to be plussed on at all but I especially don’t think specialized art treatment sets should be regarded the same in terms of monetary value

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-pikachu-pikachu-skill-issue-gif-3559280283046901335

[copper pecan]

yeah i agree

[zinc shard]

man I love Deadpool, but this is not it

[lusty trench]

I feel like the value you get from them should be above their cost before the reprint because you dont get to pick and choose which cards you want

However instead of "a group of cards that are roughly the same price" a lot of the time it's either no value or 1 card holds all of it so most of the lair goes in the bin anyway

Like thanks for the John Avon serra angel you guys i really needed it

[tardy echo]

Personally I think secret lairs exist with small drops to cater to specific groups in an already very specific group of ppl and shouldn’t focus on the actual value of reprints or whatever. SLs aren’t really meant to be utility sets in the sense of making cards cheaper and they really aren’t meant to be easily scalped get rich quick boxes

Someone buying into SLs is already pretty obviously deep in the hole in terms of monetary investment into mtg

[copper pecan]

i think the whole point of secret lairs is that they're supposed to be very niche and not appeal to the general playerbase

[tardy echo]

Extremely abundantly clear example was the braindead SL

I hate to say but while chat here was dogging on it was lowkey popping off to see them

I think SLs could definitely have some better value to make them more fun to open recreationally but I worry that if that becomes a focus for mtg then they’re basically just milking hobbyists dry/creating extremely scarce sets that are intended for a much smaller population than they reach

And in extreme cases that turns out to be things like the SL gitprobe running for hundreds of dollars

[sleek ferry]

I didn’t know you were capable of expressing your thoughts so eloquently cake

Kudos to you

[tardy echo]

That’s the most respectful thing you’ve ever said to me to the degree I wonder if you’re speaking satirically

In any case I think a simple if somewhat reductive way to explain my approach to SLs is that it’s ok, and maybe even good, to have cheap cards with pretty art that are nice to look at

Not everything needs to be collectathons or long term investments and people should be aware of that when buying into a hobby notorious for sapping away years and years worth of your money

[vivid hatch]

Friend picked up my fetches in Japan for me!

got them off a Japanese collector

[knotty ferry]

Yo is there any magic product that contains a lot of staples that's worth buying?

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm

depends on what format u wanna play

the new lorwyn set is p damn good. standard cards all over + shock lands which are useful everywhere and anytime

[tardy echo]

eoe/ecl are both p good sets for lands

As is duskmourn

Shocks/verges are in every deck right now and those sets also all just have good cards

As opposed to aetherdrift, which has good lands but no good cards

[sleek ferry]

Edge of Eternities/Lorwyn Eclipsed as stated above

[sleek ferry]

Stock up, monument

[tardy echo]

Ur playing dimir right? Duskmourn is an amazing set to open for that deck

[tardy echo]

Sigh son let me joke

[sleek ferry]

I’m the biggest aetherdrift defender

Because what do you mean dudes raced for some world changing thing

[tardy echo]

I think the set is overhated

Esp when I see ppl dog on drft but basically ignore mkm

And for the record I think mkm is overhated too

[sleek ferry]

Tarkir is also a good set to open. A lot of good/fringe cards + the bonus sheet has fetches

[tardy echo]

It depends on what you’re playing ultimately

[sleek ferry]

Oh Foundations also ig

[tardy echo]

Because of how colors are there aren’t really universal staples

[glad peak]

i never understood what people meant when aetherdrift was a bad draft set

honestly it was solid

[tardy echo]

Every set has different focuses on colors

[sleek ferry]

Lorwyn eclipsed was a bad draft set

Outlaws was a bad draft set

Spiderman was a bad draft set

[glad peak]

ecl set was so good in common+rare cube though lol

i wish there was a method to play without rares/mythics in retail draft

[sleek ferry]

Tribal sets don’t translate to draft imo, Bloomburrow managed it because it was less linear with the archetypes

[glad peak]

yep, if you remove all the rares and mythics from ecl then the mechanics are the forefront rather than the archetypes

but i hate retail ecl draft

[sleek ferry]

I think ecl sealed is alright

Best draft/sealed experience has been avatar by far

From the recent sets

I skipped FF because it was sold out everywhere, so idk if that was good or not

[glad peak]

FF was fun, i wouldnt say good but fun

[knotty ferry]

Is there anything like a structure deck

Like a set product, not random

[twilit canyon]

they make those rather sporadically

[tardy echo]

Not good ones

And yeah not often

[twilit canyon]

they often become outdated rather quick

[tardy echo]

If u wanna play commander there are some good ones but v much not for 60 card formats

[twilit canyon]

either due to the release period or bc they will rarely add many if any value cards in there among lands

[knotty ferry]

Damn

I think I'll stick to singles then

If I decide to play commander, I'll reconsider

[tardy echo]

It’s the tried and true method for every card game

Even if u play commander p sure singles are far more cost effective than precons

[knotty ferry]

Oh ok

I saw some ff commander set idk if it's worth

[tardy echo]

Commander sets have cards exc playable for commander*

As far as money goes I’m p sure most of them are… fine?

But u will not be getting cards that are playable

[sleek ferry]

Depends, the new tmnt commander is like the best commander tool box we’ve had in a long time

That deck was literally made to be broken apart

[tardy echo]

Ah idk then I don’t super pay attention

I just remembered seeing cost breakdowns of the ecl precons

[sleek ferry]

Some precons are better than others, but normally most precons at presale double their MSRP pricing in singles reprints

Then as prices settle it ends up being around 80-90 of value

Unless they printed some broken precon exclusive card

[tardy echo]

Didn’t that happen w eoe

The jund one?

I remember ppl saying it was like the best commander precon they’d printed in years

[sleek ferry]

You had uh [[exploration broodship]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/14/exploration-broodship

Exploration Broodship <:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact — Spacecraft
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 8+.)
3+ | You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
8+ | Flying
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell from your graveyard by sacrificing a land in addition to paying its other costs.
4/4

[sleek ferry]

Which peaked at like $20

But now it’s down to $3

I think it’s a good card still

This should have been in the main set tbh

The jund one had oracle too

[tardy echo]

Mul Daya?

Is she money or smth

[knotty ferry]

Bro they made the ba sing se meme into a card

[past socket]

Has her own actual card as well

[trail anvil]

[[joo dee, one of many]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/105/joo-dee-one-of-many

Joo Dee, One of Many <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Advisor
, : Surveil 1. Create a token that's a copy of this creature, then sacrifice an artifact or creature. Activate only as a sorcery. (To surveil 1, look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
"Hello! My name is Joo Dee. You're in Ba Sing Se now. Everyone is safe here."
2/2

[knotty ferry]

BLACK LOTUS!!!

[glad peak]

What do you mean, that’s very obviously a dark bluish green lotus

[copper pecan]

black lotus
look inside
colorless

what did wotc mean by this

[past socket]

Also got the Turtles precon for scrapping myself, some noice reprints

[sleek ferry]

This is the way

Nice job

Getting 2 battlebond lands is reason alone to get them

[past socket]

And never hurts to have some spare good cards around for future brews

At least if you’re more commander inclined like me

[sleek ferry]

Yeah you got 5 commanders in 1

So you can literally build whatever

[zinc shard]

It's just a shame 4 of them are different flavors of +1/+1 counter spam

[stark skiff]

Did it really change the world?

[glad peak]

It did a uh…

What did the aetherspark do again?

Because planeswalker sparks are kinda worthless when there’s portals to planes now

[tardy echo]

After they resolve the omenpath plotline spark could become a lot more relevant

At some point they have to shift the ball again and give everyone their spark back right

There’s too many popular PWs to just only stick with what we have now

Garruk has been awol for 7(?) years now

Surely they’ll bring back Gideon somehow too

[glad peak]

Maybe they use the aetherspark to give everyone that lost their spark back the spark

I’m actually surprised they brought back Garruk after the whole controversy

But would love to have him back

[tardy echo]

What controversy question mark

[glad peak]

It was like m13

Garruk was a planeswalker hunter looking to kill liliana because she cursed him