Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

way more fragile

[vivid hatch]

Sure, if that’s the rationale then it’s competitive, if the rationale is “yeah it’s because it’s more fun” then it’s not

[glad peak]

Rogsi is faster but has less protected wins or long game potential

[twilit canyon]

but thats the way a lot of decks/archetypes trade off from blue farm

[atomic harness]

yee that makes sense

both are like valid picks tho right

[twilit canyon]

its hard to explain if you are not in the actual cedh scene ig but the mindset is p heavily ingrained in cedh as a whole

ppl will cope and explain why its competitive and it would be

[glad peak]

You also forget that cedh is a format where the players matter a lot LOT more than the deck choice

[twilit canyon]

i cant bring my food chain deck to a casual table it will crush even bracket 4-5 lists that are not cedh tuned

but at a cedh pod im fighting an uphill battle

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamer

also mudkip is it true that you can use pact of negation for a draw in tournament cedh

[glad peak]

Yes

[atomic harness]

how so, even if youd lose?

is it bc both of you would lose to the third guy?

you have a win, your opp is trying for a win you present pact
both of you realize you lose to player 3?

[glad peak]

Cedh tournaments turn from “how do I win this game most optimally” to “how do I win this TOURNAMENT most optimally”

It’s a pretty fun shift in game theory

[atomic harness]

I do like the draw dynamic

[glad peak]

I know not everyone agrees but the entire tournament is one big game

[atomic harness]

kinnan for gildred drake

[glad peak]

The entirety of this hinges on deals and potentially how the event is run, as well as how good you are as a player at negotiating these deals

[atomic harness]

I think I saw kinnan for hullbreaker to beat hexing squelcher one time

[glad peak]

Like some tables will agree early on if game drags out or it’s about to be kingmaking then they’ll just draw

[atomic harness]

Can they agree on a draw if it's majority? like 3 ppl say yes 1 guy doesnt want to

[glad peak]

Sometimes draws are suggested at that moment and people who are about to lose are encouraged to use interaction more

[glad peak]

Yes but you can all agree to then bully that one guy with a 3v1

Protect someone else’s win attempt even

[atomic harness]

oh to basically force the draw

holy

[glad peak]

Yep, it turns into “accept this draw and get 1 point or get none”

[twilit canyon]

tcedh has a whole meta to it yeah

finding out how to wrangle tables and politic the situation into favorable outcomes and such

cus a lot of decks are just

broken

[vivid hatch]

The politics aspect of cedh is fun but imo peak magic is and will always be getting 5 1.2 for 1s in value to squeeze out a win from a tiny advantage

…which sadly also doesn’t happen much in 60 now

[glad peak]

Yes, and literally none of us are disputing that

60 card format are better but the topic isnt 60 card vs cedh

[vivid hatch]

This ain’t a credible threat though

[glad peak]

Isnt it?

[vivid hatch]

From a GT perspective, it’s cheap talk

But if you factor in spite

It becomes credible

[glad peak]

It’s not spite, it’s trying to win the tournament

And you as a player would be forced to do things that would seem like spite play to enforce it

Now if they still want to play it out and somehow play through it, good on them, they deserve the win

[vivid hatch]

Describe exactly the scenario in question here and the decision trees with outcomes for players

please

[glad peak]

Players ABC want to draw (as theyre locked into top 4 if they get 1 point each) player D is on the cusp so declines

Player C attempts to win, player D interacts

Assume you’re player A. Players A and B can either interact or not interact, where 1) interacting increases their chance of drawing but decreases their chances of winning or 2) not interacting increases the chance of player D stopping the win and potentially winning on their turn, where there you may have another counter war where 1) interacting might mean player B will go for a win an you have no more interaction or 2) not interacting might mean player D wins.

So the optimal play becomes obvious to spite play D during the D vs C stack until a draw is agreed upon or D is dead

Numbers are varied among matchups and may make a player lean one way or another but that’s where player communication comes into play

Again, it’s something that comes up and understand when you actually play in one of these events

[trail anvil]

this sounds kinda miserable

[glad peak]

Then agree to a draw

[tardy echo]

Clearly it’s oathbreaker, smh

wtf even is blue farm

People play suboptimal decks in competitive ygo too

Anything besides the actual top 1 or maybe really generously top 3 decks is just suboptimal trolling clearly there’s no reason to play anything else

[sleek ferry]

If pros only ever played what was the best or top 3 decks, decks like Dimir Excruciator or Temur Harmonizer wouldn’t have been forces at the two latest PT’s

[glad peak]

Tymna Kraum, both commanders that create card advantage, and the rest of the deck is mana, combo, and protection

[sleek ferry]

This is why I always say, these type of opinions further prove my point, that no good players actually play Vintage/Legacy as their main formats

[twilit canyon]

midrange basicallu

[tardy echo]

Definitely not vintage but idk about legacy

Idt anybody says vintage is their main format

It’s inherently a format that monetarily punishes you for playing it

Even if you have the big bucks for lotus and co every time you play it they will inevitably depreciate no matter how careful you are

Paper vintage is at least in my experience at my locals basically nonexistent, and while people enjoy playing it for fun online idt it has any remotely serious players there either

[glad peak]

Huh I found some counterfeits in my friend’s collection, they look really good

Passes a bunch of the test

[glad peak]

I’m actually impressed by how high quality they were

Literally wouldn’t be able to know without actually ripping the card and the only way we could tell was because some cards in that batch had some defects

[atomic harness]

Thank you mr mudkip

do you have pics

[trail anvil]

isn't vintage just for people who want to show off their card collection

[twilit canyon]

nah its played

mostly on mtgo yea

but u do see a decent proxy-friendly scene with regularity

[glad peak]

Decided not to take pics lol

There were a couple cards where rosettes were way too prominent and the card itself looked washed

But honestly I wouldn’t even think to call a deck check if I saw that across from me

[stark skiff]

@atomic harness do i get a TMNT collector box?

[atomic harness]

up to you little buddy

[stark skiff]

What the. Your my financial advisor

[atomic harness]

get 1

[tardy echo]

The people who played unproxied vintage probably all retired from mtg after getting shingles

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-heavy-breathing-gif-9484458

[tardy echo]

I still feel that nobody “mains” vintage

That feels like someone saying they main traditional format in ygo

Im also not sure if wotc does a ton of support for vintage anyways

[atomic harness]

They forgot about vintage...

[tardy echo]

Also I only just found out growth is in standard

[twilit canyon]

oh def

they play it but

it isnt their main format unless u mean a modo kid who grinds leagues

[stark skiff]

Buddy split a box with me

He pulled this

[subtle sierra]

pogger

[subtle sierra]

i just had a guy bitter triumph mosswood i targeted with revelation

???????????????????

how are these ppl in diamond

[lusty trench]

Revelation?

[subtle sierra]

[[jeskai revelation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/196/jeskai-revelation

Jeskai Revelation <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand. Jeskai Revelation deals 4 damage to any target. Create two 1/1 white Monk creature tokens with prowess. Draw two cards. You gain 4 life.
"No one of us could have built all this alone. A clan, a school, hope for the future. Thank you all." —Narset, to Shiko, Taigam, and Elsha

[lusty trench]

Bro really wanted that mosswood gone ig??

[subtle sierra]

i was returning it to the hand

it was literally the same result just that they discard 2

[glad peak]

so some things i forgot to mention regarding tivit is that it's a deck that outgrinds blue farm and is a deck you want to be on when you're all on midrange/control

you lose when you create an opening or get turbo'd out early or blue farm gets all of their card advantage out (all which are pretty likely but not a guarantee because people are flawed with how they play), but if you can deal with those and the game goes into a grind game then you should be able to win

[vivid hatch]

new arrival :>

[twilit canyon]

damn i like the text for artifact in cyrillic

[subtle sierra]

f in cyrillic is funky

[trail anvil]

they thought it would fizzle the spell

didn't realize you need to make all targets illegal

[glad peak]

welp i guess i'm building storm

it's been a while

[tardy echo]

Imagine if revelation actually fizzled for that

Card would be so much worse

[trail anvil]

yeah for sure

[subtle sierra]

i think they thought it exiled or smth

they did duress a defeat that game

[tardy echo]

Also I wish wotc would just print harmonize in standard sigh word me @twilit canyon

[subtle sierra]

it's already printed in dragonstorm

[atomic harness]

don't we have the blue one

[tardy echo]

Or even better reprint return of the wild speaker

[twilit canyon]

so true

[tardy echo]

Or Rishkar’s

Actually they should reprint Rishkar’s

[atomic harness]

Sigh... I miss fury

so bad actually

[tardy echo]

Strixhaven should reprint fauna shaman, rishkars expertise, every green triome, three visits, and sylvan library back into standard

Maybe then green will finally be playable

[twilit canyon]

three visits...

actually real tho

they should let ppl play with explore and such more often

its kind of... a missing part of green in standard?

[atomic harness]

Growth spiral

[subtle sierra]

oh i'd fuck with growth spiral in standard

[tardy echo]

I mean we have spelunking

Actually I forgot what that card does

But I think they very specifically are choosing to let green focus more on dorks than explores etc because it’s easier to interact with

There’s still a few explorations but they’re all super expensive

[twilit canyon]

at 2 mana matters

growth spiral for instance

[subtle sierra]

growth spiral is also instant

like if the lesson that places a basic land were instant i think like everything would play it

i think lessons would be not izzet but temur if it were

[tardy echo]

Spelunking is also not exploration

I forgor what it did

But tbf if it was exploration I think it would be v good

Draw etb + the bonus untap thing is really nice

[trail anvil]

I miss growth spiral in standard, that went in my favorite decks all the time

[quiet edge]

I wonder if there's any usable cards using all 5 types of mana

I know of like, only one card that does use it, and that's uh

Tiamat

Well, creature wise

[trail anvil]

there are plenty

[quiet edge]

So I ended up looking up cards using all 5 and wow, there's a lot

Yep!

[trail anvil]

[[jodah, the unifier]] is probably one of the more notable examples

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/203/jodah-the-unifier

Jodah, the Unifier <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Legendary creatures you control get +X/+X, where X is the number of legendary creatures you control.
Whenever you cast a legendary spell from your hand, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a legendary nonland card with lesser mana value. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
5/5

[quiet edge]

Of course most of these seem super impractical. I think it's very hard to use 3 kinds of colors, 4 is very difficult and 5 would just be right out

Well that's a pretty fitting name

[trail anvil]

depends on the format and the mana base

[quiet edge]

But using a bunch of legendary cards would be hard? I think they are the kind you only have one of in a deck

[trail anvil]

in commander or other similar formats it's no problem with all the fixing

[twilit canyon]

commander doesnt care

[quiet edge]

Ahh

[trail anvil]

even outside of commander you could do a decent standard deck with him tbh

[quiet edge]

Yeah in commander, yeah, play as much of those as you can

Doesn't matter when everything is unique in your deck

Righto

[trail anvil]

one of the best standard decks kinda recently was running [[atraxa, grand unifier]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier

Atraxa, Grand Unifier <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Angel
Flying, vigilance, deathtouch, lifelink
When Atraxa enters, reveal the top ten cards of your library. For each card type, you may put a card of that type from among the revealed cards into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, and sorcery are card types.)
7/7

[trail anvil]

that's why it really depends on the format. she's also a multi format all star currently afaik

[quiet edge]

Ahh, yeah. I vaguely know some of these words

[trail anvil]

for this conversation she's 7 mana in 4 different colors

[quiet edge]

Yeesh, that's a lot, but I imagine with an effect like that it's worthwhile.

Gonna see if there's a rulebook somewhere I can read up on; might be one on the official website

[trail anvil]

if you want an expedited lesson you can download mtg arena for free, they have a tutorial that also teaches you what the colors do

[quiet edge]

Ah, good call. Not finding like, some downloadable rulebook on the website.

Just a bunch of videos, web design stuff and a glossary.

Glossary should be helpful, though!

[glad peak]

It’s important to note that legendaries only apply on field (most times)

So you can have more than 1 of a specific legendary card in a deck

[quiet edge]

Ahhh, gotcha

[glad peak]

Unless it’s commander, in which case all cards are singleton so that rule doesn’t matter

[quiet edge]

Yeah, figured I'd have the most casual fun with a commander deck. Also means the card pool is much bigger

[glad peak]

In terms of 5 color commanders that need all 5 colors to cast, scion and sliver queen are probably the best

Idk why jodah’s name keeps coming up as stronger (not just from here but in general)

[quiet edge]

I may go for something easier, though, the 5 color thing was just curiosity (Although, a deck around Jodah or Tiamat does sound fun)

[glad peak]

If you want to play 5 colors without the pips, you can always play commanders that have 5 colors in their identity but not their cost

[quiet edge]

Mostly cause, well, come on, its Tiamat, the Queen of Dragons. That's some wow factor right there.

[glad peak]

[[najeela, the blade blossom]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/62/najeela-the-blade-blossom

Najeela, the Blade-Blossom <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a Warrior attacks, you may have its controller create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token that's tapped and attacking.
: Untap all attacking creatures. They gain trample, lifelink, and haste until end of turn. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase. Activate only during combat.
3/2

[glad peak]

I would also be careful with making decks for their creature types, they very quickly get old

But for now, just have fun exploring

[quiet edge]

[quiet edge]

I love this card in paticular, though

[[Split the Party]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/76/split-the-party

Split the Party <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Choose target player. Return half the creatures they control to their owner's hand, rounded up.
Don't.

[trail anvil]

tbh you could probably do a fun little d&d themed deck considering how much stuff AFR gave us

I hope they do a second set with d&d tbh

[past socket]

Wasn’t AFR the second one?

[quiet edge]

Yeah, it looked really fun. Plus it's Wizard's own property

[past socket]

No wait that was the first

Second was Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur’s Gate

[tardy echo]

D&D flavor was so cool but at the same time idk if I want cards like that in standard

Stuff like bg also felt like a perfect ip for straight to commander

[trail anvil]

you don't? I feel like it fits right in with the magic universe cause it's high fantasy. it's by the same company

[twilit canyon]

something to be said that while they are the same company and share a fair bit of aesthetic

[trail anvil]

the only problem I can remember from that set was book of exalted deeds but they managed to fit land destruction in after they realized it would be a problem without it lol

[twilit canyon]

dnd handles planeswalkers super differently than mtg so it really can end up feeling awkward

[tardy echo]

No I mean card design wise

D&D cards had a lot of supreme RNG/variance that I don’t think would be good for standard

[twilit canyon]

im not a fan of them including planeswalkers from dnd into mtg

oh that too for sure, didnt even think much about it

but the dice rolling was either

card was kind of whatever

or card ended up being busted

[tardy echo]

• yeah the dnd planeswalkers would not translate well for standard

[twilit canyon]

that can end up being not too fun

[tardy echo]

Imagine M&B in standard

Joely moly

[trail anvil]

lolth was perfect for standard tbh

[tardy echo]

What she even do

[trail anvil]

her and deadly dispute were fantastic additions to aristocrats

[tardy echo]

[[lolth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/112/lolth-spider-queen

Lolth, Spider Queen <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Lolth
Whenever a creature you control dies, put a loyalty counter on Lolth.
0: You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
−3: Create two 2/1 black Spider creature tokens with menace and reach.
−8: You get an emblem with "Whenever an opponent is dealt combat damage by one or more creatures you control, if that player lost less than 8 life this turn, they lose life equal to the difference."
Loyalty: 4

[tardy echo]

I mean this is probably fine but idk

[trail anvil]

double body generation + advantage 👌

minsc & boo wasn't really balanced for standard but I can probably picture a version of him that would be more fine

i.e. if he didn't generate boo at the start of each turn lol

the dice roll cards weren't really standard viable as far as I can remember? I think delina was the strongest out of that batch?

[glad peak]

isn't this where the initiative was introduced

or was it the next one

[trail anvil]

it was yeah

well, commander one was where it was introduced

dungeons were in afr

[twilit canyon]

lowkey i fw venture and initiative way better than the dice shit

[glad peak]

yeah, if they balanced it better for 1v1 then i would be all for it

dice is just no

[trail anvil]

for me the dice cards were just "decent effect + potential high roll", but they were never really good enough for 60 card formats afaik?

[glad peak]

delina is the only one that has potential but that's only because she would be a combo on accident

[tardy echo]

Idk I think in general they want to make D&D pws feel way more flavorful and as a result they would be pretty hard to make feel good for standard

And even regardless of just the pws I think a lot of the most perniciously evil parts of D&D cards that would make them unbearable in standard are pretty intrinsic mechanically

Even if the cards aren’t overwhelmingly strong it would still just feel bad and not really contribute positively to standard health

And if you’re toning effects down for standard they fall flat in other formats too

[tardy echo]

I think dungeons feel bad but the main issue is just that under city is ridiculously overtuned

As a mechanic it’s just a more annoying monarch which is admittedly pretty fucked up

[glad peak]

counterpoint: initiative in modern would be hella cool and averak with the energy aluren would be sick to play

[trail anvil]

idk they had some pretty good ones!

like [[grandmaster of flowers]] and [[mordekainen]] were both really cool cards in the same set

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/17/grand-master-of-flowers

Grand Master of Flowers <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Bahamut
As long as Grand Master of Flowers has seven or more loyalty counters on him, he's a 7/7 Dragon God creature with flying and indestructible.
+1: Target creature without first strike, double strike, or vigilance can't attack or block until your next turn.
+1: Search your library and/or graveyard for a card named Monk of the Open Hand, reveal it, and put it into your hand. If you search your library this way, shuffle.
Loyalty: 3

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/64/mordenkainen

Mordenkainen <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Mordenkainen
+2: Draw two cards, then put a card from your hand on the bottom of your library.
−2: Create a blue Dog Illusion creature token with "This token's power and toughness are each equal to twice the number of cards in your hand."
−10: Exchange your hand and library, then shuffle. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 5

[trail anvil]

in fact all the planeswalkers in this set were pretty nice tbh, they had a whole cycle

[quiet edge]

Funny how Bahamut is a creature type, it seems

...As is Mordenkainen

What, does he think he's too important to be "just" a wizard?

Actually I think all these Planeswalker cards are like that come to think of it

[trail anvil]

each planeswalker has a type that is its name, it used to be that you could only control one planeswalker of any name iirc

[quiet edge]

Ahh

[trail anvil]

fun little flavor bit, grand master of flowers is secretly the dragon god bahamut, that's why he has that type

at least in one iteration

[quiet edge]

Yeah, it's one of his many guises

He even has those canaries following him!

[golden plover]

I really like when they do this kinda thing. [[professor Onyx]] I'd another one

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/153/professor-onyx

Professor Onyx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
+1: You lose 1 life. Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
−3: Each opponent sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures that player controls.
−8: Each opponent may discard a card. If they don't, they lose 3 life. Repeat this process six more times.
Loyalty: 5

[subtle sierra]

I'd love lolth back

I remember mono black sac control

[trail anvil]

I want aristocrats back in standard in general, that's one of my favorite archetypes tbh

[subtle sierra]

The guy from eoe is nice but not enough

It just ends up a raise the past deck

[trail anvil]

the warp haste one?

[subtle sierra]

No i meant the sac for surveil one

As the sac outlet

They do have an aristocrat too but he's kiiinda ass

Like yeah you can drop him in for 1 but he costs 3 if you want him for longer

[subtle sierra]

god eu mtga is hella laggy rn

playing a land takes 10 seconds

[subtle sierra]

bro used that on my cornucopia

[sudden lava]

Only a few days till TMT arena drafts 😄

[sleek ferry]

Anything we should be looking at for tmnt set for Azorius? @subtle sierra

[subtle sierra]

i haven't looked at it much tbh

i can take a look after this game

bro just used the end on a monk

[sleek ferry]

No worries, I also usually wait till the set drops on arena to look at the whole set

[subtle sierra]

If it's specifically azorius flash then i see these as viable-ish

Bishop is luminarch for 2 but costs 3 and is legendary, ronin instant is for bouncing aang/aven without losing tempo, Donatello's is similar but more oriented for bounce, so maybe not, leonardo is cute ig but without dedicated lifelink he's just growing post damage

And there's also the ossification reprint if seam rip doesn't do it

Blue is very artifact oriented this set

The class looks ok but you need artifacts for it to be good

White class looks ok but i think bishop is better

You'd rather high noon on 2 anyway

Droid is funny but idt it warrants the slot if you don't play artifacts

Wow this set is such a skip for control

At best i can slot in lessons from life, maybe

[glad peak]

wait i should've built affinity instead of storm

i forgot there was a stupid piece of tech in tmnt for affinity

[sleek ferry]

Wait, the last ronin’s technique is perfect for my azorius waterbend deck

[subtle sierra]

i mean yeah it gives you +2 bodies

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/yxSoYA7yYTg

Cool strixhaven customs

[subtle sierra]

oh i thought those were leaks

[glad peak]

i'm glad they're not, mallarie would be pretty damn busted

cheap, makes mana, and once you have enough mana, you're immune to counterspells, and is a combo piece to go infinite

[subtle sierra]

is copying that frequent in other formats?

[glad peak]

it's a method of countering counters in cedh

or tutoring with someone else's tutor

[subtle sierra]

i mean yeah but she only creates treasure when you copy

idk if it's that frequent unless you have a million mana already

[glad peak]

treasures are absurd

also you can make infinite treasures with her with any 1 card that copies another spell

since you copy anything with that spell, then copy with her ability targeting the copy, then that copy targets the initial which creates a copy, which then gives you a copy to copy the copy ad infinitum

not to mention that if you do this then literally any instant or sorcery that deals damage or forces drawing a card from any player wins the game

[sudden lava]

I wish (that we had strixhaven leaks, not specifically these )

[subtle sierra]

me when i don't wanna rebuy stock up

[golden plover]

They couldn't because Kallisto doesn't work

Her X ability isn't doable at all

Mallarie is busted as hell too

[glad peak]

Shes a combo monster and makes tons of mana but no card advantage so she very well might just be another one of those izzet commanders people spike events once and never again

[quiet edge]

I found the bear punching card!

[[Savage Punch]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/147/savage-punch

Savage Punch <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control.
Ferocious — The creature you control gets +2/+2 until end of turn before it fights if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.

[trail anvil]

oh it gets even better

[[outmuscle]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/170/outmuscle

Outmuscle <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control, then it fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
Adamant — If at least three green mana was spent to cast this spell, the creature you control gains indestructible until end of turn.

[glad peak]

there's the bear punching card and the dragon punching card

[quiet edge]

holy shit

[glad peak]

[[epic confrontation]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/176/epic-confrontation

Epic Confrontation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature you control gets +1/+2 until end of turn. It fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
"You've let yourself grow old, and your light is dimming. Shall we talk one last time, or must I slay you now?" —Mishra, to Urza

[glad peak]

[[epic confrontation | dtk]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/185/epic-confrontation

Epic Confrontation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature you control gets +1/+2 until end of turn. It fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
No matter the timeline, some legends will endure.

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-cartoon-network-billy-monster-attack-gif-17332889

[atomic harness]

Sigh... flare of duplication-sama

[subtle sierra]

Hmm now that i think of it

Is [[mondo gecko]] worth siding into control mirrors?

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/46/mondo-gecko

Mondo Gecko <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Mutant
, Discard a card: Until end of turn, Mondo Gecko becomes the color of your choice and gains hexproof from that color.
Whenever Mondo Gecko deals combat damage to a player, draw a card for each color among permanents you control.
"Stealth-o-rama, huh? Righteous."
2/3

[subtle sierra]

He has protection and if you have anything else out he's a draw 2

[twilit canyon]

it depends on their control deck

[subtle sierra]

Hmm ig if they have bodies it doesn't work as well

I'll stick with robbery then

[trail anvil]

maybe [[renet, temporal apprentice]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/50/renet-temporal-apprentice

Renet, Temporal Apprentice <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When Renet enters, return each other nonland permanent that entered this turn to its owner's hand.
"You guys don't get sick during time travel, do you?"
4/3

[glad peak]

Mondo + Tam is gonna be a funny synergy someone’s gonna try to abuse isnt it

Technically usable in cedh sisay too if the meta ever becomes creature light again

[subtle sierra]

Renet is fine but i wanted a side for combo

She's fine as a control card

I just hate that every single card in this set is legendary

You prob end up running just one

[atomic harness]

Sisay

[subtle sierra]

Wait why is one of the pizzas randomly a mini jeskai revelation

Lmao

[[everything pizza]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/173/everything-pizza

Everything Pizza <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Food
When this artifact enters, search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Target player gains 3 life and draws a card. Each of your opponents discards a card. This artifact deals 3 damage to any target. Put three +1/+1 counters on up to one target creature.

[zinc shard]

gotta give 5C decks new toys every set

[subtle sierra]

Well hey more cards for me ig

Maybe I'll play like 1

[twilit canyon]

surprisingly decent effect lol idt this makes the final cut but it can be worth trying lol

[subtle sierra]

Well I'm on 5cc

Although you're on 1 basic land on a proper build

Still it's a 2 mana draw 1, with a jeskai revelation later

[twilit canyon]

yea this is the part that idt u can reasonably play around.

ur gonna need enough basics to not have this be kind of a frequent dud

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/sannbaix3/status/2028413496606802165?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Rei Hirayama (@sannbaix3)

全知から北風の守護者をプレイすることでサイドボードから無限ダメージをするコンボデッキです。
ドラゴンである北風の守護者1枚でコンボを達成できるため、全知に加え龍の創始でもコンボできるようになりました。
https://t.co/BBFYQGF7sJ

#HareruyaWayfinder

X · Mar 2, 2026, 10:13 AM

https://fxtwitter.com/kanister_mtg/status/2028228646364701095?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Piotr 'kanister' Głogowski (@kanister_mtg)

#HareruyaWayfinder: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles edition!!!
︀︀
︀︀While it's an utterly bizarre crossover, I still brought you some fresh ideas built around the new cards! Two Standard decks: Krang Affinity and Cool but Rude Monument.

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FxTwitter · Mar 1, 2026, 9:59 PM

Dropping all the brews I find interesting in chat

[subtle sierra]

That first list is like

Lets add a color and a brick to the deck that already had a wincon

Cool but rude fits well in rakdos monument

The artifact deck I can't really tell

[tardy echo]

Is that ninja upbringing or whatever it’s called

[subtle sierra]

Where?

The only tmnt card there is north wind avatar

[tardy echo]

Next to roiling?

[subtle sierra]

[[dracogenesis]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/105/dracogenesis

Dracogenesis <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
You may cast Dragon spells without paying their mana costs.
"Let the dragonstorms rage. Let what seeks sustenance feed. Let Tarkir be what it was always meant to be." —Sarkhan

[tardy echo]

Oh it’s a Spider-Man card

[subtle sierra]

Lmao

[tardy echo]

That is not the card I’m talking about

[subtle sierra]

Yeah the card with spiderman is spiderman

It's a murder that discards next turn

[tardy echo]

Bro I can’t see what’s on it

[subtle sierra]

I can

👁️

[tardy echo]

I know what card you’re talking about

[[death of gwen]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/spm/54/the-death-of-gwen-stacy

The Death of Gwen Stacy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Destroy target creature.
II — Each player may discard a card. Each player who doesn't loses 3 life.
III — Exile any number of target players' graveyards.

[subtle sierra]

It zooms in

Anyway this is just bad kona with an additional color

[tardy echo]

I was just looking at the picture on Twitter I promise it’s not that deep

Bad Kona implies there’s good Kona btw

[subtle sierra]

True!

Anyways, idt dracogenesis is worth just cause it combos with avatar for the full combo

We've seen this with arcavios it's not worth

[sudden lava]

LETS HECKING GO

Lmao

[zinc shard]

nice

[vivid hatch]

at 27/40 RuFoil fetches now

If I picked MH2 instead of ZEN (first print = always cooler) this would have been so much easier qwq

[tardy echo]

Well u still aren’t doing first prints for the khans one anyways so full send it

The onslaught fetches look so sick

[vivid hatch]

No Russian onslaught, 2005-

If I were to do onslaught it would be simplified Chinese

But blue fetches in simple Chinese are $3000+

I managed to get two for very cheap but that’s it’s own story

[tardy echo]

[sudden lava]

Blood Moon tomorrow, run monodecks

or at least, all basics

[tardy echo]

@twilit canyon what do u think would be the single most impactful card from post 2010s to bring back to ye olden days

[twilit canyon]

hmmmmmmmm

[tardy echo]

Standard legal only

[twilit canyon]

i kind of want to say force of neg

[tardy echo]

No straight to commander or modern horizons

[twilit canyon]

hmmm

standard only would easily be either of

underworld breach

thoracle

[tardy echo]

Hmm I think breach sort of clears

A lot of decks from back then had plenty of ways to just kill u still

I was just thinking about this bc I was talking w someone about how creatures used to all be dogshit

And then the comparison was drawn between monastery swiftspear and jackal pup

And I was like hmm I wonder how different it would’ve been if monastery swiftspear was legal in the format in the 90s

[twilit canyon]

fucked lol

[tardy echo]

I know

[twilit canyon]

ppl would have figured out delver type lists earlier

[subtle sierra]

In the 90 you also ran like

3 lands

Or smth

[twilit canyon]

but i get wym

[tardy echo]

I mean tbf how many other tempo guys were there

[twilit canyon]

uhhh

at best...

one?

[tardy echo]

Like I think u would’ve just played swiftspear in like every deck

[twilit canyon]

swiftspear one shots

[tardy echo]

But reasonably at that time idk if u could build a deck style like delver yk what I mean

[twilit canyon]

volc -> swift -> saph -> recall

[tardy echo]

Also on that topic why doesn’t delver play swiftspear

[twilit canyon]

delver in legacy doesnt even play delver

[tardy echo]

It does sometimes…

[twilit canyon]

unfort just a vanilla for the delver list

tamiyo does too much

and the kill time isnt ever delver's issue

[tardy echo]

Does that deck really only kill you with DRC and ragavan now

And murktide ig

[twilit canyon]

rags is deadge

[tardy echo]

Huhge

[twilit canyon]

banned

[tardy echo]

No I know since when

[twilit canyon]

uhhhh 2 years

[tardy echo]

Joely

wtf does that deck kill you with then

[twilit canyon]

but yea that deck kills with drc

bolts

and murktide if that

[tardy echo]

Ok but now imagine

1998 mtg with drc

[twilit canyon]

drc gets banned come urza block cards

[tardy echo]

Is there any single card in the game that could’ve stopped combo winter

[twilit canyon]

we discuss to this day if it deserves an unban

[twilit canyon]

force of negation

[tardy echo]

Actually I know the answer

Grief

[twilit canyon]

grief would be spiteful but... maybe

[tardy echo]

No bc you just play fon in the academy decks

[twilit canyon]

unmask was legal iirc

but griefs 5-8?

[tardy echo]

And then everyone still plays academy and you’re still combo wintering

[twilit canyon]

true...

[tardy echo]

Grief also has synergies that unmask doesn’t

[twilit canyon]

reanimate true

collector ouphe

[tardy echo]

Oh actually u wanna hear some nightmare shit imagine recurring nightmare target grief

[twilit canyon]

lol

[tardy echo]

Imagine paradoxical outcome actually

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm thinking about it

i think fon may genuinely be the answer

for prior q

oppressive breach combos yeah... thoracle yeah...

but fon?

fow 5-8?

i feel like that actually would impact more

[tardy echo]

Yeah but fon wasn’t standard legal sigh

But yeah I think counters/interaction generally would be way more impactful

Than method 17 to do an infinite combo

[twilit canyon]

perhaps veil of summer

[tardy echo]

[twilit canyon]

also in this scenario... im assuming it influences future card design/player tolerance

green having veil from the get-go would probs influence green to be focused way more on protection

i can imagine retrains/reprints that only block discard or only block counters

[tardy echo]

I mean tbf green is still pretty protection focused just moreso the creatures on board than the player yourself

That’s more of like a white thing

[twilit canyon]

yeah and this would probs flip towards self protection for future green design if veil was an alpha card

or outright hostility to other colors maybe

[tardy echo]

Green becomes the hose color

Why did they randomly just make veil like that btw

No good reason

[twilit canyon]

true hatet energies

hater

literally no reason cus like

noxious grasp?

2 mana

gains life

the other hosers that cycle just

dont even remotely compare

devout decree is funny af cus its basically worse than an existing card

[[cerulean drake]] is my goat but

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/53/cerulean-drake

Cerulean Drake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
Protection from red (This creature can't be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, enchanted, or equipped by anything red.)
Sacrifice this creature: Counter target spell that targets you.
Dragons avoid the bright colors of its wings.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

lol

[tardy echo]

[twilit canyon]

unchained berserker saw and sometimes sees a bit of play

but its also like

[[unchained berserker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/164/unchained-berserker

Unchained Berserker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Berserker
Protection from white (This creature can't be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, enchanted, or equipped by anything white.)
This creature gets +2/+0 as long as it's attacking.
Sathros turned his restraints to revenge.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

theres these reasonable cards here and there and such and they are fine

and then veil of summer

its like they did 2 lines before printing

[tardy echo]

I mean throne just pushed green as hard as it possibly could

[twilit canyon]

these are from core 20

[subtle sierra]

when is tmnt in arena? today?

[twilit canyon]

noxious grasp will keep oko in check

[subtle sierra]

it should be today right, it's tuesday?

[twilit canyon]

god core 20 was so biased

[twilit canyon]

ye

risen reef was p insane to print

[subtle sierra]

good i wanna try lessons from life

[tardy echo]

Wait I thought veil was from eldraine holy

[twilit canyon]

nah

core 20 had a massive green bias anyways

[tardy echo]

That timespan was very green favored

That’s why green was paying reparations for the past few years

[twilit canyon]

cav of thorns... reclaimer... abundance leyline... ambusher saw meta play... ceratops... veil... vore hydra...

kethis... temur omnath... risen reef... yarok...

golos fuck it

hes green

[tardy echo]

Golos is spiritually green the same way Gideon jura is spiritually a libertarian

[twilit canyon]

true

but yeah even b4 eldraine... green was eating like crazy off core 20

[tardy echo]

Ntm once upon a time oko wicked wolf gilded goose escape to wilds

Idk

[twilit canyon]

yeah green was always gonna come out broken

[glad peak]

once upon a time is hands down the best one

for red it's gotta be breach

drc and rag got nothing on breach

[atomic harness]

Sigh turn 1 ragavan is broken little one

[glad peak]

got nothing on breach

bad start in modern little one

t1 rag worst start in energy

[tardy echo]

Idk breach in the 90s feels a little unnecessary

[glad peak]

breach in the 90s would be turbo broken

[tardy echo]

I dont think it would meaningfully change anything though

Also u don’t even have storm payoffs

[glad peak]

no need, turbo mana and dump deck and loop bolts

[tardy echo]

You already had infinite mana to go thru ur whole deck and just kill them without red anyways though idk

That’s my thing abt breach back then is like is it actually a better vehicle to kill your opponent with than just playing academy or something

[glad peak]

not infinite mana but you can loop more and more mana, havent done the math

it's better than yawg will and that was a deck

[tardy echo]

Idk if it’s strictly better than yawg will anyways

[glad peak]

being able to loop the same card over and over again is why i value it much higher than will

[tardy echo]

I mean I’m not questioning that breach will kill someone if you put it in the 90s I just don’t think it’s so cut and dry as you make it sound

And I don’t really think it would change the status quo that much anyways

It would be another flavor of combo deck and even if better than some of the ones that had been running around in the time frame I’m not sure it would be better than the most notorious one of the time

[glad peak]

for changing the status quo, the best one is likely pyrogoyf

[tardy echo]

Fury-sama…

[glad peak]

nah pyro can kill, much better

[tardy echo]

Sigh recurring nightmare reanimate fury

gg

[glad peak]

nah recurring nightmare reanimate multiple pyrogoyfs

absurd value and kill off just etbs

[tardy echo]

Lowkirkenuinely

CSC in 1999 @twilit canyon

Thank me later

[twilit canyon]

lol

honestly tho?

[tardy echo]

Or arcanist…

The two funniest options

[twilit canyon]

arcanist actually goated call

[tardy echo]

Giant growth on arcanist ggez

[glad peak]

For blue we all know the best option

Kappa

[steady onyx]

im so mad cauldron familar is out of standard

i was having so much fun playing golgari pest gardens in pauper

i wanted to try something similar in standard

[trail anvil]

play pioneer, then you can run cat oven

[vivid hatch]

And lose

[steady onyx]

broo

maybe

[golden plover]

Not gonna get ahead of myself but this feels free

[golden plover]

But you'd be better off playing Vore Combo

[zinc shard]

damn i forgot i started a Lorwyn Draft

speedrun time

[subtle sierra]

guess i die

[sudden lava]

do we know what time the TMT limited goes live on arena?

[subtle sierra]

cube ends in 42 mins so maybe then?

[zinc shard]

There's usually a maintenance period before the new set

[sudden lava]

yeah maintenance is happening at the moment

[sudden lava]

it out now

[sudden lava]

Orzovh doing really well

[subtle sierra]

lessons from life is fucking nuts

[golden plover]

Dammit [[Dream Beavers]] is really good in Dimir

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/62/dream-beavers

Dream Beavers <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Beaver Nightmare
Flying
When this creature enters, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life. Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
"We've drained human life force for millennia. Then one day, turtles! Delectable! We'll suck you dry and spit out the shells!"
1/1

[tardy echo]

Bro what is this show even about

[subtle sierra]

i looooooooooooooooooove mulliganning to 2 cause arena decided lands don't exist

holy fuck

[golden plover]

I feel like arena specifically hates me for lands way more than this deck does irl

Like I have to mulligan once a match minimum

[subtle sierra]

my opp isn't doing better lmao

this is turn 6

[golden plover]

I mean tbf they're on the worst deck in the world lol

[subtle sierra]

oh it's even worse

they're turboing the 9 cost krang

and hard casting darksteel colossus

won with 2 lands in hand start

craziest shit

[golden plover]

God I don't like playing against the Rakdos discard deck. Shit sucks ass, but it's a coin toss of if they have 1000 damage on 4 or are dead on 3

[quiet edge]

Oh hey, one card name's just the really cool beat-em-up

[[Turtles in Time]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/55/turtles-in-time

Turtles in Time <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Return all creatures to their owners' hands. Each player may shuffle their hand and graveyard into their library, then each player who does draws seven cards.
Exile Turtles in Time.
"When are we now?" —Donatello

[quiet edge]

This looks pretty funny to pull off

[golden plover]

Historically this kind of effect has always been terrible if it costs more than like 3 mana because your opponent gets all the value first

Also this one is a "may" for some reason, which is fucking crazy and even worse at 8 goddamn mana

[atomic harness]

You were too good for this cruel world my sweet prince @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

to this day i have never lost a game to getting grief scammed

it happens but its never the reason i lose if i do

[tardy echo]

What a troll

My dear sweet prince who does no wrong 💔

[twilit canyon]

this but unironicallu

[tardy echo]

U think im being ironic?

Renren thinks grief is fun and should be legal but I’m not taken seriously when I advocate for dredge

[twilit canyon]

ren has been doing tricks on grief for ahes

*ages

[past socket]

This version of Grave-Troll has quite the Deathclaw look

[tardy echo]

She bounce on my ggt until I harmonize mill 18

[subtle sierra]

God I'm in love with lessons from life, the card does so much

[atomic harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1rj7goc/maro_spiderman_sold_better_than_edge_of/

[golden plover]

Is this sold to players or sold to distributors tho

Wondering because pretty much every LGS I've been to since it's release has boxes of spiderman still setting around

[atomic harness]

Yeah distributors

Which is not good...

[golden plover]

Yeah spiderman sold to distributors in peak FF hype season

EOE only just now got it's second print run too

So spiderman probably did technically sell better, but every LGS around here has trouble moving the product and I'd imagine that it's a bit closer if you only account for player sells

I'm sure it super outsold Aetherdrift tho lol

[sleek ferry]

hold up

what the fuck

[[kitesune's technique]] is only 2 mana?!?!

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/42/kitsunes-technique

Kitsune's Technique <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Sneak (You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Target opponent mills half their library, rounded up.
"Like a monster seeking prey in the night, the truth will hunt you down."

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

[golden plover]

Today on: Why the fuck are you making me play these out?

Dude should've fucking scooped a million years ago in both games

[glad peak]

Tbh technique doesn’t do anything especially since it doesn’t allow you to mill yourself

If it allowed you to mill yourself then I would love it

[sleek ferry]

I mean this doesn't matter in standard, since [[riverchurn monument]] is presenting your win

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/57/riverchurn-monument

Riverchurn Monument <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, : Any number of target players each mill two cards. (Each of them puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Exhaust — , : Any number of target players each mill cards equal to the number of cards in their graveyard. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)

[golden plover]

This feels like you'd be in the regular Dimir shell with worse cards

Kitsune's Technique is awful if you can't connect

[sleek ferry]

there's only a million flyers in the meta

[golden plover]

And there's only a million fliers that can block you

Or Requiting hex

Or floodpit drowner

[sleek ferry]

the deck is awful for other reasons, mainly that past g1 it doesn't do anything

[golden plover]

Or burst lightning

You can maybe get this off once

You're never resolving it twice

[tardy echo]

Idk it’ll probably farm bo1 ladder

Same vibe as like resonance leyline

[sleek ferry]

last ronin's technique has been so good btw

it represents:
3 waterbend mana
Resets Aven/Aang/all your flash disruption
It's also 3 tokens that synergyze with any token synergies you may have

[tardy echo]

I’ve been trying Leonardo’s technique in pixie

To actually pretty decent success

And shredders

Idk why they decided black gets enchantment removal now but sure

[golden plover]

Imo the only card that caught my eye in the set is [[Dream Beavers]]. It's way better than spyglass

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/62/dream-beavers

Dream Beavers <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Beaver Nightmare
Flying
When this creature enters, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life. Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
"We've drained human life force for millennia. Then one day, turtles! Delectable! We'll suck you dry and spit out the shells!"
1/1

[golden plover]

Kinda glad 90% of the set looks like ass lol

[glad peak]

Has anyone tried drafting with tmnt?

[tardy echo]

I mean a lot of the cards look pretty playable idk

Certainly no avatar but it seems significantly better than Spider-Man

[golden plover]

Better than spiderman sure, but I feel like most of the set, especially the rares/mythics are nothing

[subtle sierra]

why do two of them have realistic eyes and the other two stylized ones?

michelangelo avatar makes me uncomfortable

[tardy echo]

I think a lot of the creatures seem dooky but there’s a lot of noncreature stuff that seems very playable

[subtle sierra]

i'm in love with lessons from life, for example

[golden plover]

I dunno, so far dream beavers is the only relevant card imo

Well that and the Raphael class

Dream Beavers is better than spyglass

[glad peak]

Cream beavers

[golden plover]

Autocorrect

[tardy echo]

A lot of the classes have seemed pretty strong to me from what I’ve seen

I think we should let the set cook a little bit before we jump to conclusions about it

[subtle sierra]

just got hit by kitsune's and then they died next turn

[glad peak]

For standard it’s probably fine

Cool but rude might be the only card that actually does anything outside of standard or commander

People will try to do kitsune’s in modern mill but people will probably get over it, just like every mill card

[subtle sierra]

the strangest thing was it was reanimator, but ig it's just gold things TM

[glad peak]

Just commander things

Everyone hates mill, mill must be good, right?

[subtle sierra]

bro is caving

[glad peak]

I really wish they brought back delve for the cave set

[subtle sierra]

hmmm my opponent has 2 burn 3 spells and a burn 4 spell and i have 7 life

i think i will duress the burn 3

[sleek ferry]

[[lessons from life]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/155/lessons-from-life

Lessons from Life <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw three cards. You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
"Everyone's got their own strengths, Lita. You never know what cards they might play. Instead, focus on what you know and never doubt your choices." —Michelangelo

[sleek ferry]

Are you playing bant control or something

[subtle sierra]

5c

[sleek ferry]

5c

Rich

[subtle sierra]

I have 4c irl now

Only a few lands to add and it's 5c

Got this yesterday

The borderless eoe stuff is beautiful

[fallow citrus]

it didn't grow on me as much as I thought it would

I'll tell you something that did though, I love the MB2 cards

with the white border? That's grown on me so much

[subtle sierra]

that's fair

i just like how it flows into the "looking out the window"

[glad peak]

I like the white border

I don’t like teferi

[sudden lava]

Well 2 mana and bounce an unblocked attacker

So yeah you can curve 1 drop turn 1 into Kitsune tech on turn 2

[glad peak]

2 mana bounce a badgermole and mill? Broken

[sudden lava]

Izzet Mill

[glad peak]

Nah if you’re double dipping on badgermole you’re already winning, kitsune does nothing lmao

[sleek ferry]

Until you mill the sultai player

[glad peak]

True

In that case kitsune straight up loses you the game

[sudden lava]

Kingsmake the sultai player

[golden plover]

I mean, do people still play that deck lol

I see it every once in a while and it loses to breathing on it now lol

And all the sideboard hate is already there because it kills better decks

[golden plover]

Who the fuck mains disdainful stroke in dimir

Incorrect card for the main, somehow was enough to take g1

[subtle sierra]

i've learned my lesson of keeping 2 lands

[trail anvil]

as a 1-of it's probably fine

depends what you're facing on the ladder too

[gritty nest]

im stumped on a deck idea and want ideas

its a "5 color" deck thats actually just selesnya, and will only run mono colored spells and maybe the colorless spells that count as being wubrg (timeless lotus for example)

the commander is [[!Jenson Carthalion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/3/jenson-carthalion-druid-exile

Jenson Carthalion, Druid Exile

[gritty nest]

what should I have the deck do?

[fallow citrus]

running mono coloured spells only in this literally just like

does nothing

[gritty nest]

thats the whole point

[lusty trench]

I would like to build Jenson just because he looks rad as fuck but 5 colour land base?

[twilit canyon]

trophied with this. honestly? i fw this draft format.

[tardy echo]

Then why are you asking for advice if the whole decks point is to do nothing

If you’re playing selesnya just ramp into mono green bombs idk

Not sure what advice you expect when your decks self-admitted premise is doing nothing

[glad peak]

the strength of jenson is playing all the good free spells + lurrus + 5c value pile while pushing for a win turn after time

i guess you can try to make some type of deck that [[jegantha]] would be a better commander in

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/125/jegantha-the-wellspring

Jegantha, the Wellspring <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Elk
Companion — No card in your starting deck has more than one of the same mana symbol in its mana cost. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
: Add . This mana can't be spent to pay generic mana costs.
5/5

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

[trail anvil]

neutrinos + bruse tarl ❤️

[zinc shard]

im only two drafts in but my god TMNT is such a slow format.

[gritty nest]

budget or not budget?

[gritty nest]

the commander does nothing. the 99 does the work. The commander is a shit post just like my mono green naya deck

you all have no joy

[lusty trench]

Budget lol

[gritty nest]

all 10 landscapes
as many tango lands (enter untapped if you control 2 or more basics)
potentially check lands
rainbow lands (ancient ziggurat, command tower, etc.)
other basic land fetch (evolving wilds, myriad landscape, etc.)

if color doesnt matter you could run the pain lands

[inland folio]

anyone know commons/uncommons that could take some slots here and there?

still working on my manabase

[gritty nest]

i know nothing about arena so can't help. sorry

[inland folio]

its just standard

as far as im aware cards in arena are 1/1 rarities wise to irl

[gritty nest]

i still know nothing tbh

<- chronic commander player

[zinc shard]

anyone else seen this bug?

[lusty trench]

Welp its midnight time to see if anyone bought my magic cards

2 people have
Midnight, never fails

[subtle sierra]

Yeah

[zinc shard]

Ok I hate TMNT limited

The amount of removal in this set is obnoxious

[subtle sierra]

what the fuck

bruh

no way in hell him being a saga overrides that

[sleek ferry]

Yes because it’s not an etb

[[doorkeeper thrull]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/13/doorkeeper-thrull

Doorkeeper Thrull <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Thrull
Flash
Flying
Artifacts and creatures entering don't cause abilities to trigger.
Parties at Karlov Manor are strictly invitation only.
1/2

[sleek ferry]

[[summon fenrir]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/203/summon:-fenrir

Summon: Fenrir <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Saga Wolf
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Crescent Fang — Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
II — Heavenward Howl — When you next cast a creature spell this turn, that creature enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
III — Ecliptic Growl — Draw a card if you control the creature with the greatest power or tied for the greatest power.
"Who dares summon me from the darkness?"
3/2

[subtle sierra]

yeah a friend explained it

[sleek ferry]

So the important distinction here is as this saga enters

[subtle sierra]

saga counter is not etb

[zinc shard]

https://edhrec.com/articles/the-best-new-cards-for-minotaur-typal-in-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

[burnt relic]

I'm in

[subtle sierra]

holy it's kata in mtg chat

[burnt relic]

ygo isn't real until june so i gave in

and there's way more mtg stores around here

oh they give you a little cardboard deckbox that's cute

[glad peak]

It’s a shame it can’t fit 100 sleeved cards

Unless it can now

I can’t remember

[burnt relic]

it sure doesn't look like it will

who needs sleeves anyways

[glad peak]

My friend plays with unsleeved force of wills and negations because he wants to be quirky and because it “only cost 6.50 or whatever the price of the pack was”

[sleek ferry]

Tmnt set high key buffed affinity in standard and modern @fallow citrus

[fallow citrus]

sigh guess I have to play tmnt cards then

[subtle sierra]

the 1R haster sounds nuts

[tardy echo]

Tmnt has some really nice artifacts

[past socket]

Spaghetti monsters!

[stark skiff]

they fit mine with dragon shield sleeves just fine i actually use them lol

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/elesh-norn-mtg-phyrexia-gif-27423840

[past socket]

I have to gush about how fucking cool Eldrazi are and how much I’m hitting myself for not getting into Magic sooner (got into it between Duskmourn and Foundations)

[trail anvil]

yeah eldrazi design are what got me into magic too

[past socket]

[[!Brisela]] being my favourite example of not just Eldrazi but just general body horror

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/14b/brisela-voice-of-nightmares

Brisela, Voice of Nightmares

[subtle sierra]

uhhh how do you cast her

[trail anvil]

[[bruna, the fading light]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/14/bruna-the-fading-light

Bruna, the Fading Light <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Angel Horror
When you cast this spell, you may return target Angel or Human creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Flying, vigilance
(Melds with Gisela, the Broken Blade.)
She now sees only Emrakul's visions.
5/7

[trail anvil]

meld

[[gisela, the broken blade]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/24/gisela-the-broken-blade

Gisela, the Broken Blade <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Angel Horror
Flying, first strike, lifelink
At the beginning of your end step, if you both own and control Gisela and a creature named Bruna, the Fading Light, exile them, then meld them into Brisela, Voice of Nightmares.
She now hears only Emrakul's murmurs.
4/3

[stark skiff]

First time I got into magic was the Ravnica block so no Eldrazi for me

This second time it was cause of dragons lol

[subtle sierra]

oh it's meld lmao

danke komi

[burnt relic]

i am ulamog's strongest soldier

[trail anvil]

ye any time you see a card that doesn't have a casting cost or something it's likely meld or some other mechanic with a back side

you can actually see what cards are related by clicking the scryfall link

[twilit canyon]

ulapog

[tardy echo]

We should get melds back in standard

Specifically cool melds

The last one we had was Titania and that card was dry as fuck

[subtle sierra]

uh we have one

[trail anvil]

wait was titania after brothers war

cause that set had 2 sick melds

[stark skiff]

Pretty sure it was in it

[subtle sierra]

this one? she's brothers war

[stark skiff]

Also too bad that FF meld one is ass

[tardy echo]

Ok this meld is also dry as fuck actually

[tardy echo]

Wasn’t the other one dragon engine

The mishra meld was kinda cool but Titania was a huge miss imo

[trail anvil]

oh lol

2 sick melds is still correct then ig

[[urza, Planeswalker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/238b/urza-planeswalker

Urza, Planeswalker

Legendary Planeswalker — Urza
You may activate the loyalty abilities of Urza twice each turn rather than only once.
+2: Artifact, instant, and sorcery spells you cast this turn cost less to cast. You gain 2 life.
+1: Draw two cards, then discard a card.
0: Create two 1/1 colorless Soldier artifact creature tokens.
−3: Exile target nonland permanent.
−10: Artifacts and planeswalkers you control gain indestructible until end of turn. Destroy all nonland permanents.
Loyalty: 7

[tardy echo]

Oh I didn’t realize this was bro

I thought it was mh for some reason

[trail anvil]

this was a nice way to do god-level Planeswalker strength on a card

[tardy echo]

Yeah urza is sick

[twilit canyon]

-3 should exile any permanent

[tardy echo]

Melding for non creature stuff in general is really cool

[twilit canyon]

and the -10 should be a total wipe except your walkers + artifacts

[tardy echo]

Misty just wants land hate

[twilit canyon]

it'd be lore accurate to what urza did to dominaria after getting his spark

[tardy echo]

V true

[glad peak]

If you’re able to get urza pieces down and flipped and up to 10 loyalty you deserve to have that payoff

[tardy echo]

I mean it wins either way

Anyways I’m just bitter about ragnarok

Meld card who’s only function occurs when it dies

Great card design

[trail anvil]

I'm not familiar with its lore, but at least that's a shit ton of keywords

[tardy echo]

Yeah I mean it’s a good body

It’s just a very uninspired card

And the brunt of its effect text being a death trigger is just so

Like why waste your effort melding for the card then

And lore wise there’s just

A lot you could’ve done

It would’ve been a super cool mechanic if fang transformed into ragnarok solo and then the transformation melded with vanille

Not to like spoil a game that nobody played or will play but

It just feels so overly dry to have it the way it is

Especially when meld cards are meant to like tell a story

Fang and Vanille have on their own more flavor than ragnarok does in its whole

[hidden ermine]

I believe Ragnarok being the way it is is entirely a lore reference

[tardy echo]

It’s a pretty bad one then

Character dies in lore so only effect text is a death trigger is incredibly bland

They also miss out on the flavor behind most of the story impetus behind ragnarok

[hidden ermine]

Its slightly more complicated I believe but like

I didnt play FFXIII and Im only vaguely aware of the plot point

[tardy echo]

I am very aware of the plot point

To oversimplify what is otherwise a ridiculously overcomplicated storyline

Many of the intermediaries between god and humans want to destroy the main city in ff13 so that they can be reunited with god, but because of their purpose of creation they can’t do it themselves. in order to achieve this end they assign people the focus to become ragnarok and destroy the city. Being given a focus makes these people much more powerful but also means that if they don’t actually strive to achieve their focus they become monsters and need to be put down

Fang and Vanille are, in addition to being chosen with the focus, also prophesied to be the ones who become ragnarok and destroy cocoon. Before the events of the game, fang tried to become ragnarok without Vanille and only partially transformed

Throughout the plot fang also transforms a second time without Vanille to very very bad consequences

It’s only when Vanille then helps her that they save the day

And then they have passionate say gex and die

I feel like there are so many opportunities for extremely unique things to do there that they just don’t

[stark skiff]

Oh that’s what the card references

[tardy echo]

Yes

I just think it’s so odd that they completely ignore the entire other version of ragnarok

[quiet edge]

Knowing that Summoned Skull was based around the card [[Lord of the Pit]] has got me thinking of a good deck using it.

...Although, given my lack of experience in Magic and the fact this is a 30 year old card, I imagine it's not very viable.

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/96/lord-of-the-pit

Lord of the Pit <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon
Flying, trample
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice a creature other than this creature. If you can't, this creature deals 7 damage to you.
"My summoning begins your debt, Planeswalker."
7/7

[glad peak]

Can’t remember if Vincent (that guy’s name) was ever good but asmo, his chef, is decent

[copper pecan]

it's pretty bad

even when it came out it was pretty bad

[quiet edge]

Aw

[copper pecan]

the upkeep cost is just horrible and it dies to any removal

this was in the same set as swords to plowshares so it was not hard to remove at all

[stark skiff]

New pickup @atomic harness @meager isle @sleek ferry

[quiet edge]

Oh, I heard of Swords to Plowshares

Just straight up removes anything!

[glad peak]

Rich

[glad peak]

Almost *
But yes very very good card, always run

[quiet edge]

Exactly how you convinced the mightiest(?) of demons to just go towards doing peaceful work is anyone's guess.

[golden plover]

What's your salary damn

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/70s-show-jackie-burkhart-rich-person-no-money-no-money-poor-gif-16068547

[sleek ferry]

He’s a hot shot lawyer that lives in the heart of LA, what do you think

He’s going to represent me when I get arrested

Right @stark skiff

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-court-the-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-carlton-banks-gif-12036870

[meager isle]

wtf rich

actually tho

[atomic harness]

Good job little adam

[stark skiff]

Should I start tagging you more?

[meager isle]

if it surprises me like that aang

[stark skiff]

lol I just post here with the cool kids. This was the last one before Aang @meager isle

[meager isle]

You got a raise recently or something

[stark skiff]

ha i wish

[twilit canyon]

2nd draft. 2nd 7 wins. this one got a bit dicey cus i threw super bad vs a ug mutants deck and i let them mutagen man for like 10 power

honestly liking this format more

not the best

but its a p entertaining one

[steady onyx]

@sleek ferry help me cook with zoe glyph in stanfdard

wthout badgermole

[quiet edge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/913/sol-ring

Apparently Sol Ring is really good

Having this card feature Valstrax is just really cool as well.

...Of course this might be ludicrously expensive. Sigh.

[fallow citrus]

nah sol ring is just okay

[glad peak]

What do you mean apparently

[golden plover]

As of right now this version is prohibitively expensive if you can find it

Because it never officially printed

[quiet edge]

-Oh. That might explain the lack of any average price for purchasing.

Well I guess whenever they finally fix up whatever problems they had with the MH crossover

[glad peak]

But yeah that’s like saying pot of greed was apparently good in yugioh

There will always be copers saying it’s not good but we all know it is

[quiet edge]

Yeah, I'm still figuring out what's good and what works

[glad peak]

The “just gang up on them” argument fails when you realize they just skipped 2 turns

[tardy echo]

There also are more formats than commander

[twilit canyon]

more sometimes

lol

[tardy echo]

Sol ring tap for 2 drop another mana rock

Tap for one gsz for dryad arbor I now have 5 mana turn 1

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-thats-a-damn-lie-and-you-know-it-gif-7563099348111511780

[knotty ferry]

Take notes

[subtle sierra]

[knotty ferry]

Don't laugh

I'm the best dimir midrange player in this server

[subtle sierra]

That's prob saint tho

[knotty ferry]

Who?

[past socket]

Totally me if my brain wasn’t rocks, trust

[trail anvil]

I love bonnie and draw dinosaur ❤️

[past socket]

Share if you love the drawnosaur

[sleek ferry]

This one resonated hard with me https://fxtwitter.com/darkvulpine/status/2030951062597742996?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Pompa of the Balemurk Ex (@darkvulpine)

Competitive magic is such a trip
︀︀
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︀︀
︀︀And then you’ll go 11-4 at the next one
︀︀
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FxTwitter · Mar 9, 2026, 10:17 AM

[atomic harness]

@glad peak whats up with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYEzDwe1PvA

Rog/shai

[sleek ferry]

Shai has been the GOAT

Sometimes you got to send a message

[subtle sierra]

that doesn't look that harmonious...

[sleek ferry]

I’m actually saving up for Temur artifacts rn

[subtle sierra]

meanwhile i'm frustrated with arena not giving me lands

the deck feels night and day between irl and arena

maybe the conspiracies are right...

[sleek ferry]

What are you on again, Azorius control?

[glad peak]

Rog’s the best commander and ishai’s always been decent but has issues from their colors

[atomic harness]

guy is saying this is better kinnan

[subtle sierra]

5c

[sleek ferry]

Right now? Maybe tbh

Kinnan is in a weird spot rn

[glad peak]

Gifts made america slightly better because it’s another version of intuition and any intuition pile needs america colors to win

[subtle sierra]

i literally get either 2 lands or 14 and there is no in between

i makes me mad as hell

[sleek ferry]

Being on 5c is rough, I’m assuming you upped your land count to 26?

[glad peak]

So the amount of 1cc hands increases by a bit without forcing bad cards (read: bad lands) into your decks

[subtle sierra]

i'm always on 26 in control

to be clear, the colors are not the issue

it's the amount of lands

[glad peak]

Kinnan and jeskarog are very very different decks lol

[subtle sierra]

3 multiversal 4 starting town and a bunch of shocks have my colors handled

[sleek ferry]

What’s your win con in 5c again

[subtle sierra]

mostly burn

helix defeat revelation

[glad peak]

Jeska Rog does have a big punchy line and infinite mana lines, sure, but I wouldn’t say they’re close to the same decks

[sleek ferry]

Are you on like helix, inevitable defeat and the rest of annoying cards?