#Magic the Gathering

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fallow citrus
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again, they did nothing

glad peak
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Why were they hyping this up so much

fallow citrus
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Because I think they actually were going to hit rhystic etc but got cold feet so changed it

atomic harness
golden plover
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Yeah Thoracle should've fucking died honestly

atomic harness
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"Thassa's oracle mostly is shown as enjoyed by the competitive community and doesnt show anywhere else"
"Many people love rhystic study"

fallow citrus
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it really shouldn't have died

atomic harness
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Gavin said these two probably arent going for a while

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I dont mind thassa in cedh either yea

golden plover
fallow citrus
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also if rhystic dies then why would we be keeping remora, smothering tithe etc

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I think rhystic is annoying and can artificially lengthen games but it's whatever

sleek ferry
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Especially at the tournament level

twilit canyon
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ban thoracle to make tournaments take 2 days to finish 1 bracket

fallow citrus
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literally

sleek ferry
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Yeah that’s the legit argument

fallow citrus
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wotc loves that argument so it probably is never getting banned

atomic harness
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Yeah I dont agree with banning thassa

fallow citrus
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see yorion etc

atomic harness
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dwai

glad peak
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Thassa’s is fine, there will always be a best win condition, at least this is a (generally) 2 card combo that doesn’t have in-commander support

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Rhystic really dodged bans because sol ring dodged the ban let’s be honest icant

fallow citrus
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idt sol ring will ever get hit it's like brainstorm in legacy

glad peak
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Yeah, rhystic is in that category

atomic harness
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Thank you mr mudkip

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do we count breach as a 1cc

glad peak
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No, despite what it looks like, breach requires a ton of things to go right if you want to win with 1 card

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Yes, having things in grave is easy but it’s still a restriction and often early on breach is a liability

sleek ferry
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Yeah rhystic also has the caveat of being literally unplayable in every single format not named commander

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If they ban rhystic, they can’t use it to sell product

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It’s the most dogshit good card ever

glad peak
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They banned jeweled lotus tho nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
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That was a mistake tbf

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JL should realistically come back, but I think WotC is getting cold feet on actually pulling that trigger

golden plover
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Ehh Jewel Lotus is totally fine to stay banned ngl

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It's a really uninteresting card with very few reasons to not run it

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If your commander is WUBRG or whatever, sure

tardy echo
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Unban biorhythm is a little silly that card literally only gets played to make the game as unenjoyable as possible

golden plover
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I don't think unbanning it will break anything

tardy echo
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But I guess it checks out considering they also let thoracle go

glad peak
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It’s uninteresting but it also increases the number of cedh decks in the format

golden plover
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But Jeweled Lotus is also not that exciting

golden plover
glad peak
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JL expands the cedh pool and I’m pretty sad those decks died (especially tevesh kraum)

tardy echo
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I mean the card is completely fine

golden plover
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My hot take is that [[Sway the Stars]] should've never been unbanned

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golden plover
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It's not too strong

tardy echo
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It just will literally never feel good

golden plover
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But this accomplishes literally nothing and just drags the game out forever

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There's not even a way to combo with sway

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It's just a dick move

tardy echo
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Like unbanning biorhythm is like if ygo unbanned jowgen

vivid hatch
tardy echo
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Its not really an actual concerning card competitively but it contributes nothing good to anybody’s play experience icant

golden plover
tardy echo
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The combo is drawing grapeshot with storm count 7

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gg

golden plover
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So you've gotta draw back into your way to do 7 yeah

tardy echo
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If it was an instant it would be lit CoolSmile

golden plover
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I dunno, Sway is a lame ass card and one of the few times I'd be visibily annoyed if someone played it

tardy echo
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I mean it’s boring for sure

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It’s in the same category as biorhythm for me but feels considerably less egregious about how feelsbad it is

golden plover
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I dunno, 99% of the time if a biorythm resolves they've already won or will win next turn

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If a sway resolves we're literally back to step 1

tardy echo
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You’re at 7 life you will lose when you pass to your opponent with all their resources and a full hand

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It’s just the opposite of biorhythm icant

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Everybody else’s chances of winning goes up by an extremely notable margin

twilit canyon
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oh shit timeless updated to restrict necro

tardy echo
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Pogger

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Necro is such a cool card so I’m almost a little sad but it is indubitably broken

twilit canyon
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oh historic is gonna be fun fun i see

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merfolk about to be a real deck in the format is my guess

hidden ermine
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[[Ajani Nacatl Pariah]]

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Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
When Ajani enters, create a 2/1 white Cat Warrior creature token.
Whenever one or more other Cats you control die, you may exile Ajani, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
His pride denied him; his brother did not.
1/2

Ajani, Nacatl Avenger
Legendary Planeswalker — Ajani
+2: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Cat you control.
0: Create a 2/1 white Cat Warrior creature token. When you do, if you control a red permanent other than Ajani, he deals damage equal to the number of creatures you control to any target.
−4: Each opponent chooses an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker from among the nonland permanents they control, then sacrifices the rest.
Loyalty: 3

hidden ermine
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... huh

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Why was this banned in historic?

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(I havent played MTGA in ages)

golden plover
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This card is stupid strong

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There was talk about it being banned in modern because of energy

glad peak
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Ajani is stupid lmao

golden plover
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It didn't get the ban, but like 3 other cards did lol

twilit canyon
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ajani is one of the best 2 drops printed

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just outright

golden plover
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I assume all of those are banned in historic too and it's still too good?

glad peak
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Easy to flip and when flipped does literally anything you want

twilit canyon
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guide nerfed to cost 4 energy
ocelot was made a 2 drop

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ajani banned now

hidden ermine
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Huh

twilit canyon
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this is a pre-emptive ban tho bc energy purely was unplayable and the samwise combo list was volatile

hidden ermine
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He didnt really seem that strong to me but I guess Im a bit rusty with magic

twilit canyon
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eldrazi dominated historic discourse

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but temple ban should help along with magus and harbinger

glad peak
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A 2 mana 2/1 + 1/2 that has upside is pretty stupid froghead

urban crane
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Why is it so annoying to get a Zuran orb

twilit canyon
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the floor is a 2 mana 3/3 worth of stats

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the ceiling is a grind engine and removal piece

urban crane
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Btw secret lair drop in 3 minutes

glad peak
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Is it gonna have lutri and biorhythm in it?

twilit canyon
tardy echo
tardy echo
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I didn’t realize the other 3 weren’t on arena actually icant not that they’d be huge

twilit canyon
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unplayable i fear

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but yeah its nice to get those 2 out and about for historic

tardy echo
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The other 2 though…

twilit canyon
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ehhh

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fod is fine ig

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i'd add the other 3 just to have them but they would still suck

tardy echo
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It’s just kinda weird imo to only have half a cycle

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It’s not like you’re wasting actual cardboard reprinting them in fake arena sets anyways

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Also as a random aside is it me or does it feel like Tarkir 3 color pairs get much more love from wotc than Alara shards do

lusty trench
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biorythmn is unbanned
...that was banned?

sleek ferry
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One of my finest wins yet vs burn

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I had to overcome 3 novas

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Songcrafter carried so hard

past socket
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My reasoning for being anti-JLO is vibes-based and primarily out of spite for terrible people

fallow citrus
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wait I forgot biorhythm is even funnier than I remember

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imagine the etali player goes t1 etali flips it off the top

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win

zinc shard
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if you're going t1 Etali you're probably winning regardless lol

trail anvil
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was gonna say at that point you probably have enough card advantage to nuke a city

trail anvil
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hopefully we do see less of val as a linear combo deck

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yay wildcard day though

trail anvil
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were the wildcards already distributed?

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o nvm bans go into effect tomorrow

steady onyx
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i caved guys

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lol

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i bought the gale and shadowheart secret lair

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frst secret lair bought

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because i like bg3 a lot

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and why not peeposhrug

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https://archidekt.com/decks/19834524/shadowheart_dragons
now trying to build new shadowheart deck, kinda like the idea actually, anyone have fun idea for wincon that isnt just reanimate / rise of the dark realms hardy harr harr

Archidekt

Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar & Acolyte of Bahamut - Commander deck

(2) Commander • (2) Counters • (21) Creature • (1) Drain • (1) Draw • (40) Land • (7) Protection • (10) Ramp • (9) Recursion • (3) Removal • (1) Tokens • (1) Tutor

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cause i think thats kinda lame and maybe there is a cooler way to end games

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idk

rigid scarab
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My b&r take that matters

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Thassa’s you can kinda argue ig

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Rhystic has no excuse to be in the format

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“People love it” is a fake argument

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The only people who love it are the people who play it on the field

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With that argument literally dont hit any card ever

trail anvil
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eh it's fine as a game changer. it's an annoying card but it fits perfectly in that slot imo

rigid scarab
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Ok so

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You know how sometimes a table can blow up at a player for not using their removal spell on the obvious problem card

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That kind of feeling is what Rhystic can bring out the most

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And it inherently brings it out very often

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With most strong cards the “hate” is usually thrown at the guy playing the card itself

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Only does it get redirected when someone casts removal (AKA: A way to workaround the card) and then decides not to

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Everyone gets the chance to workaround Rhystic and can decide not to every single time they cast a spell and dont pay the 1

glad peak
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if you don't ban a card that's pervasive in every deck and absurdly powerful because people love it, then what's the point

trail anvil
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idk I feel like anyone can just not remove a problem card and watch as it festers, that doesn't seem like the strongest argument to me

rigid scarab
glad peak
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same criticism i have for brainstorm but at least there you have options outside of "you must play brainstorm or you're at a disadvantage"

trail anvil
rigid scarab
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In the case of rhystic you outwardly present that you can play around it

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And then don’t

rigid scarab
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I’m a believer in the “people can gang up on the sol ring player” argument

trail anvil
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is this not just the same irresponsible pod that doesn't play much removal to begin with

rigid scarab
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At least unlike Rhystic Sol Ring doesn’t outwardly punish you for trying to gang up against it

trail anvil
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I feel like half-responsible pods either say "I'll pay the 1" or "I recognize that I'm behind on this board state and can't afford to pay the 1"

rigid scarab
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In the case of rhystic you get mad at the player not paying the 1

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Whether you’re a responsible pod or not

glad peak
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sol ring having the "people can just gang up on them" thing doesn't really help when you're 2-ish turns ahead of them because of sol ring

trail anvil
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why are the irresponsible players getting mad at it I'm confused

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wouldn't the responsible players be mad because they're paying and the irresponsible players aren't

rigid scarab
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I mean irresponsible players as in players that don’t run enough removal

trail anvil
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don't players that not run removal get mad at every strong threat because they can't answer it and complain it's op

glad peak
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tbh "just run removal" doesn't really help here since no one's going to remove a sol ring even if it's the right play

rigid scarab
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This

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Isn’t about sol ring

glad peak
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it applies to both, too often i've seen people not remove rhystic because "it's just 1 mana"

trail anvil
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that's pretty poor reasoning, that's 1 mana x however many spells are cast in the game total

glad peak
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tbh i'm just at the point where i just say people just play what they want, the banlist wasn't ever gonna make sense so there's no reason to try to make sense of it

glad peak
trail anvil
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I think tergrid has a better argument for a ban than rhystic study tbh

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I understand it's in the command zone so there's a rule 0 conversation, but I think that card is just unenjoyable both for the pilot and everyone else

glad peak
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i've legit seen people say "why would i remove rhystic, it's just drawing cards"

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usually followed up by "they still have to cast their spells"

trail anvil
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I'm still amazed they almost considered unbanning iona really, that was my biggest takeaway from the article

glad peak
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yeah iona's surprising

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if they're so against locking people out of the game, why bring her back of all things

trail anvil
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even beyond the initial "monocolor deck lockout" argument, even shutting down one color vs multicolor could be nasty

glad peak
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gristlebrand i understand because he's legitimately a fun card

trail anvil
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i.e. if there's only black for unconditional removal in a pod you can just get rid of all realistic answers to iona

trail anvil
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just drawing out your whole deck on a reanimate target is too much lol

glad peak
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i'm very interested in lutri

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dualcaster mage in the command zone is dangerous

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there's no way there aren't a bunch of layered combos and hard to counter setups with him, right?

rigid scarab
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It’s why people don’t like kingmaking

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Yes you can say this about any removal spell but no exciting element of the game is lost by banning Rhystic and Tithe

trail anvil
rigid scarab
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Make people play like robots and they’re still in a vacuum extremely strong cards, Rhystic is one of the best cards in the format, and singlehandedly decide games at an incredibly low cost

glad peak
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it's stella lee but with less setup with less of an easy wincon

trail anvil
rigid scarab
trail anvil
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so I'd argue it's nice to have for stronger brackets, hence why it's a game changer

glad peak
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but the difference is that there are so many variants of cards lutri wants or goes infinite etb/dies with, with a bunch of variants of cards that do something on copy cast or etb

trail anvil
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it also pairs nicely with group hug draw which I wish more cards did, tataru taru was another nice recent example

trail anvil
glad peak
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any twinflame effect on lutri + any etb pinger is death, for example

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and that's not the only combo you can have on accident

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rhystic doesn't present much of a decision tree in cedh, it's either you play through it or it's a win condition

rigid scarab
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With no detriment to your own gameplan

rigid scarab
trail anvil
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I was talking about tithe there

rigid scarab
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Oh tithe

glad peak
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tithe is 50/50, it's not played in a lot of decks anymore

trail anvil
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idk I just don't have a visceral reaction to it as much as you do. like I've seen people feed the rhystic player a number of times but I feel like it hasn't gone super unchecked in my pods

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the most common reaction I see is a slight slowdown due to paying the 1 then ganging up on the rhystic player after

rigid scarab
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The most common reaction see is a player proudly declaring they’re never paying the 1

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Then being shocked at how many cards the rhystic player has

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From what I see it’s a very common sentiment at tables

trail anvil
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ngl it sounds like you play with some dumb people lol

rigid scarab
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And I don’t think that’s very enjoyable

glad peak
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tbh youtubers really popularized the whole "i will never pay your taxes" bit to the detriment of players

rigid scarab
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Mfs think they’re evading taxes when they just caused the apocalypse

rigid scarab
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Or don’t take up a very sizeable chunk of the playerbase

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I think it’s important to recognise that these players exist and not write off their feelings and contributions to tables

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Especially towards a card that doesn’t really make the format healthier objectively speaking

atomic harness
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hummina hummina

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@fallow citrus 👀

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No "thought" cards either

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interesting

subtle sierra
subtle sierra
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why tf would you destroy a land here

fallow citrus
vivid hatch
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Mailday

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My 8th RuFoil ZEN Mesa

golden plover
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This cannot be a good idea

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This would actually kill the game for a bunch of players

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Hell, I'd probably quit over this set

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All the talk of inclusion and caring for everyone goes out the window the second that set drops

subtle sierra
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the mold is coming...

trail anvil
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yeah that's an actual UB to complain about

golden plover
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They've gotta know that's a crazy awful idea, right?

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Like a 4th of their playerbase is not straight

trail anvil
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well she's both not homophobic and also transphobic PoyoyoThumbsUp but yeah

golden plover
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I mean I'm not trans but I care about trans people

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And I don't want anyone to give money to her

trail anvil
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yeah

golden plover
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Although I guess the cost analysis is being ran on if it's worth it to kill off their game to a lot of communities for that sweet Harry Potter money

glad peak
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They probably determined “more Harry Potter fans than trans people” and sent that out

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Even if trans people wouldn’t be the only ones offended

lusty trench
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"I cast Kingsley shacklebolt"
"I cast cho chang"
"I cast seamus finnigan, pyrotechnics expert"

golden plover
lusty trench
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Biggest question: would they include house elves or goblins

golden plover
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Oh god they totally would have to figure out how they'd depict goblins and elves

trail anvil
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beating kinnan after they rip crazy ❤️

golden plover
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But they'd probably just put 1-2 on background cards lol

lusty trench
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How do you get around dobby as a whole

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Like he's a reasonably popular character but everything around him is just awful

golden plover
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I mean they'd probably test the waters with a secret lair first

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That's still too far imo

lusty trench
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Other thing: what race do they make hermione

golden plover
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What race is her actor for the new show

lusty trench
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Because if theyre going but what rowling has said, she should be black and people will be mad, if they go by the books and make her white, rowling is a hypocrite (shocker)

golden plover
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She's mixed now it seems

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Remember they're using the new actors so that Rowling doesn't have to split money with the old ones she hates

trail anvil
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I don't think they'd want to return anyways, at least the main cast

golden plover
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They all basically said fuck off lol

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They hate her too

subtle sierra
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wait there is a new hp show?

glad peak
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The implications of malfoy calling Hermione a mudblood becomes even more disturbing if she was black the entire time monkaGIGA

golden plover
subtle sierra
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some reason

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it's money

golden plover
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Well the reason being that Warner Bros wants money

subtle sierra
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it always is

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ye

golden plover
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And JK Rowling wants money

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And she won't have to split it with the main three or Chris Columbus now

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They're all outspoken about hating her

subtle sierra
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she needs more money for her underground mold colony

golden plover
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And so if they remake it, she can put new actors on everything and not have to share with them

tardy echo
subtle sierra
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no

golden plover
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In universe sets don't sell as well

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And they clearly tried to make Strixhaven their Harry Potter

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It's popular with magic players, but that's not as big of an audience

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Okay they did say that they're not making one, but that "currently" is doing a lot of heavy lifting

subtle sierra
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this sounds so sus

golden plover
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Yeah I don't trust that "currently"

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Would've been a lot better to just go "hey we DO NOT plan to use HP in magic, full stop"

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But I imagine that even if internally WoTC doesn't want to do it, they might be told by Hasbro they have to if it's gonna make them money

trail anvil
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crafted an ajani at the last second, hopefully that wildcard goes through 🤞

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it did pogofgreed

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bans are live y'all

zinc shard
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game's taking forever to gather local files

trail anvil
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I think cause a lot of people are logging in at once

glad peak
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I still remember when they said they would never use AI and then immediately released an ad using AI icant

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Well, wording was slightly different so technically they weren’t outside their promise

golden plover
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They said ai images and technically that's only happened on one card

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So I guess they sorta are accurate

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Presumably they did realize that Ruwen Liu used AI as the Aang promo was pulled

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This card doesn't have an official printing anywhere, likely because of the artist

glad peak
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It was from the murders secret lair ad where people found it was AI, no?

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Technically they were right because it’s not a card icant

golden plover
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This card's art is likely at least partially ai influenced tho

sleek ferry
golden plover
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The artist openly talks about using ai in all her works and has her own AI training company

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So Toph violates the promise either way

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But presumably they realized that later, as again, the Aang got pulled

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But provided she's the only time it happens, it's fair to say that they realized it and likely won't allow AI on cards

sudden lava
golden plover
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See my concern is that they might in a year or two when the new show comes out

glad peak
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I fully expect in a year or so people will start saying to separate the art from the artist thing again

subtle sierra
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the problem is that the art already contains so many issues

golden plover
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Yeah true. Kingsley Shacklebolt

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And the werewolf thing

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And goblins

sudden lava
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The name they gave to that one chinese character (Not repeating it)

golden plover
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Oh right, how could I forget about Cho Chang

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Technically there's a second Asian character but she turned into a snake (which is also kinda racist)

glad peak
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Obviously it has issues but people will then argue that they like it in aggregate so it’s fine or something icant

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I swear it happens every time

golden plover
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People constantly already go "it's okay, Harry Potter was my childhood"

twilit canyon
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they should just print slurs on magic cards it'd get the same message across

sudden lava
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Something to note brought up in another server
"Also, keep in mind that in the press releases of all of these partnerships, the only one that mentions WotC is KPop Demon Hunters"

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So we should be safe from the mold

twilit canyon
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where is this faith in wotc coming from

glad peak
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For now

golden plover
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I do want to trust WoTC and I believe that they have no intent to print HP cards at this time. But they also always backtrack shit they say anyways

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Remember there was "no plans for UB to enter constructed formats" 3 years ago

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The second the money talks they'll flip on these plans and boom Harry Potter set

golden plover
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Yeah I already posted that screenshot

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The word "currently" does a lot of heavy lifting there

glad peak
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For now

twilit canyon
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2027 "harry potter is coming to standard!"

glad peak
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No idea if they already made their roadmap for 2 years from now when we expect HP reboot to come out icant

golden plover
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I mean, they bumped back Lorwyn

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They can move sets around

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But I know a lot of people say a lot of things will kill the game

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I think Harry Potter is unironically the closest to doing that tho

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It'd be one of the best selling sets of all time, but it'd also kill their community

sleek ferry
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if Hasbro says, we're doing an HP crossover

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WOTC can't actually say no

golden plover
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Yeah that's the problem

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I'm sure WoTC doesn't wanna do it

sleek ferry
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100%

golden plover
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But if Hasbro says they're doing Harry Potter, it happens and the community dies

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Like I don't even really feel like that one is exaggerating too much

sleek ferry
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You can say what you want about WOTC, but everything we know about the people that work there, they 100% care about the game and the community

golden plover
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It's the most out of touch set they could do and the community would be ruined

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This past weekend we donated $750,000 to trans lifeline

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There would be a MASSIVE backlash to HP

sleek ferry
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But let's see what happens. I think from the beginning, the biggest fear with UB was that, it being too successful, would result in IP's actually wanting to partner with Hasbro, with the intent of getting some sort of MTG collab

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Especially when MTG is the only thing keeping Hasbro remotely afloat

zinc shard
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This gon be gewd

golden plover
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I mean, I'm fine with some UB at this point. But like the line is 100% HP

sleek ferry
past socket
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Ruwen Liu did do non-AI art. the controversy was started by someone bringing up the AI company. Not like there was evidence of use

golden plover
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The second they announce a Harry Potter card I'm quitting

sleek ferry
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I'm ngl, I might pass up Black Lotus

past socket
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Not defending potential use of AI, awful if they did, just noting a detail

golden plover
zinc shard
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what would you take ooc? Im still learning

golden plover
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Which would lend evidence to them presumably knowing that there's some ai involvement on her part

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Honestly Tamiyo, Fastbond, and Lotus are all valid

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P1P1 I think it's Lotus

sleek ferry
golden plover
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But Tamiyo is fair too

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Lotus just doesn't lock you into any colors

sleek ferry
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Drafting strats vary from person to person

golden plover
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My only concern is Tamiyo and then you're stuck in blue when the cards dictate Boros

sleek ferry
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I'm usually someone that likes drafting fetches whenever I can

golden plover
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I'm not saying Tamiyo is wrong

glad peak
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p1p1 is lotus

sleek ferry
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but this pack, I would be forced to Tamiyo

golden plover
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But I just think you take lotus p1p1 every time

glad peak
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even though i love drafting lands first

golden plover
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Because again, if you're in Boros or Golgari or something Tamiyo won't make the cut

glad peak
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actually league and actual cube are different

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just take lotus and try to do boros aggro lol

golden plover
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Boros aggro is the best thing you can do yeah

zinc shard
#

Here's where im at so far

sudden lava
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No magic schools besides strixhaven also means wizard101 UB is out the question. But its fine as long as the mold stays away

zinc shard
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Ok Booster Tutor is the objectively wrong choice... Buuuuuut

sleek ferry
twilit canyon
#

?

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booster tutor is actually the best choi-

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hmmmm

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hymn is there

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suplex is solid enough too

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hmmm i may still take it over this whole pack (booster tutor)

twilit canyon
golden plover
#

Is the choice not Bob?

sleek ferry
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I'm high key taking kurrak or booster tutor given what he's got icant

twilit canyon
#

yes? no?

sleek ferry
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t1 Kurrak is surely just game winning

twilit canyon
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bob is just awk with cryptic and snuff out int he list

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there are so many good cards at higher mvs in vintage cube

golden plover
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Yeah true. I do still think the call is Bob

twilit canyon
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and lotus encourages you into those

golden plover
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But I can see the argument for booster tutor

twilit canyon
#

batterskull may end up a playable in the deck too

zinc shard
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it came back

golden plover
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Kurruk isn't bad either tho

twilit canyon
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okay bob is the pick there at least. though i may play hymn over it even

golden plover
#

With Lotus there's a slight argument for citadel

twilit canyon
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ehh

golden plover
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But I'd be hesitant for it

twilit canyon
#

yes... but again similar deal + no life gain and no tinker rn

golden plover
#

I wouldn't be mad to play citadel but I'm also not dying to do it

sleek ferry
#

nah do kurruk for sure, pinnacle would have been nice if you had some artifact bombs in the first pack

golden plover
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Pinnacle is cool, but he's missing a color

zinc shard
golden plover
#

I do think the call is between Kurruk and Bob

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Sapphire easy

twilit canyon
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lol

golden plover
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There's no argument for anything else

sleek ferry
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hold on there

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fabled

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is right there

golden plover
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He's not in red

twilit canyon
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lol??

golden plover
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A p3 red splash is fine

twilit canyon
#

fable is a psychotic p2p1

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i love fable

golden plover
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But it's 100% sapphire

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That's an in color mox

twilit canyon
#

but he got cryptic + bob

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daze + scolding are enough to get sapphire

golden plover
#

Snap pick

twilit canyon
#

just be ready to go into white

golden plover
#

Any mox is generally correct as is

twilit canyon
#

nah there are times you dont take a mox

zinc shard
#

ye picked up a few dual lands

twilit canyon
#

ie: mox pearl/emerald sometimes dont go

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but

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yeah u generally go mox

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if i was already in red, i may take fable

golden plover
#

Yeah there's absolutely times you don't grab a mox

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But most of the time you just snag mox on sight

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Especially on p3 in color

sleek ferry
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I think my big issue is, his lack of actual ways to win the game rn

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given what he's shown us

twilit canyon
#

wym

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cryptic command

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snapcaster

golden plover
#

Yeah there's a lot of value here

twilit canyon
#

psycho win cons to bore the opponent to death is the key

golden plover
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The win is valuing them out

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There's also LoTV

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With enough removal and protection she's a wincon when unchecked

twilit canyon
#

add batterskull

zinc shard
twilit canyon
#

t2 batterskill

golden plover
#

Oh yeah this is totally fine

twilit canyon
#

this deck cant play hym

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hymn

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unfort

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or daze honestly...

golden plover
#

Cut 6 cards, add batterskull but this isn't bad

twilit canyon
#

daze, hymn can go

golden plover
#

March can probably go too?

sleek ferry
#

cut wrath of god, ultima is the better wipe, and you don't need to double up on wipes

twilit canyon
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wrath + march can go

glad peak
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i always love hymn nyaruhodo

golden plover
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I dunno, I'd almost rather wrath than ultima

twilit canyon
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wrath march daze gtg for sure

golden plover
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But there's an argument for either

twilit canyon
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i'd wrath over ultima if it wasnt for this deck having a single arti

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(and batterskull but you plan around that)

sleek ferry
#

ultima ending the turn could also be relevant, but idr what dying effects we care about, if any

twilit canyon
#

hymn is fun but probably uncastable

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this deck? none

sleek ferry
#

nah vs the field

golden plover
#

Ultimata ending the turn isn't super relevant in arena cube

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Unless theyve got a curiosity or something ig

twilit canyon
#

the cube has more than vintage cube

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well

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it has an alt list

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also cut a land and send it

golden plover
#

Oh speaking of cubes time for a p1p1 of mine

sleek ferry
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spoken like a true red player

twilit canyon
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mox + lotus you dont need 17 lands

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your curve also ends at 3 for the most relevant spells

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i could argue to 15 lands

zinc shard
#

Alright here's what i got:
Creatures, Planeswalkers, Card Advantage, Counterspells, Removal, Board Wipe, Lands/Mana Artifacts

glad peak
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yeah i suggest moving 1-1 mox and lands usually

golden plover
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Oh cubecobra is down smh

sleek ferry
#

Alright time to finish working on my Selesnya token deck for Standard

zinc shard
#

Evil Laughter

subtle sierra
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i love free wins on ranked

golden plover
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Wait until he hits you with [[Battle of Wits]]

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golden plover
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Then you'll feel REAL dumb

sleek ferry
#

daily reminder that [[sygg, wanderwine wisdom]] is underrated af

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Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Sygg can't be blocked.
Whenever this creature enters or transforms into Sygg, Wanderwine Wisdom, target creature gains "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card" until end of turn.
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may pay manaw. If you do, transform Sygg.
2/2

Sygg, Wanderbrine Shield
Legendary Creature — Merfolk Rogue
Sygg can't be blocked.
Whenever this creature transforms into Sygg, Wanderbrine Shield, target creature you control gains protection from each color until your next turn.
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may pay manau. If you do, transform Sygg.
2/2

golden plover
#

What's the P1P1?

sleek ferry
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I'm taking the Mox

golden plover
#

Yeah it's almost certainly the mox

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[[Custodi Peacekeeper]] is funny tho

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golden plover
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Oh wait it only taps for 1

zinc shard
trail anvil
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kavaero who

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nice early gg nerd KEKW

vivid hatch
#

Frankly, if I were working at WOtC I would be pushing for a Harry Potter UB hard, if the IP owners would be willing to offer an attractive price

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Not because I personally want to see a Harry Potter UB - I don’t - but because it would rival LOtR sales wise, with the outcry being more limited than you’d think

golden plover
#

Just lost to a Dimir mirror because they were running Ty Lee and Boomerang Basics. What are we doing here man???

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It mattered because it hit Planeswalkers where Bounce Off doesn't

tardy echo
#

I mean basics is actually a lit card lol

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Ty Lee is crazy though

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Floodpit drowner choppelganger

steady onyx
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bro mr cake

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hru

zinc shard
subtle sierra
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thank you mtga

zinc shard
last glen
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#1282483234835529759 crossover outta nowhere

fallow citrus
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me when the steps are three

golden plover
#

This is statistically near impossible

golden plover
#

Odds of > 4:
08.27%

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Assuming we only draw on the draw step, which had to happen that game, this should literally never happen

golden plover
#

I love that bad lessons players don't realize that even through multiple Beastbinder, there is a window where they can use their monument

golden plover
#

Just played against a Sultai list that got double deceit into Kavero both games. That feels unwinnable

trail anvil
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depends on the deck and the topdecks, it's definitely a strong start though

zinc shard
golden plover
#

What the fuck is this

subtle sierra
#

defend the bite down elf hydra

golden plover
#

It won the game because I couldn't remove their hydra when they had 37 protection spells

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Ya know, Goldvein Hydra isn't bannable or anything, but he really should've cost XGG

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Vigilance, Trample, and Haste for 1 is crazy. Not to mention the fact that he can't be traded with cleanly

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He's not a problem or anything but he's my new pet hate card

subtle sierra
#

oh no speak of the devil

golden plover
#

Lmao your turn to get ran over

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Wait why is he a 1/1

subtle sierra
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because my opponent is stupid

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it ate shit to lightning helix

golden plover
#

Yeah you never wanna play that for less than 3 or so

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A 3/3 with haste, vigilance, trample, and refund feels tough to deal with

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A 1/1 with all of that doesn't

subtle sierra
#

i'm just testing 5 color control because fuck it

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so i die to aggro due to bad lands anyway icant

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all your removal costing 1 more is rough

golden plover
#

Huh that Rakdos monument deck is weird. Feels way too gambling tho

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They also run moonshadow. Which continues to prove that moonshadow is fraudulent

sudden lava
#

Tuesday is debut
Wednesday for precon
Thursday is full card reveals including team-up

twilit canyon
hidden ermine
#

Manument to Endurance

lusty trench
#

Just calcify it

vivid hatch
#

👀 snapped this up today

twilit canyon
#

we have olympic rep before a major tournament win icant

sudden lava
sudden lava
#

More leaks have entered the stack

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including a commander precon leak

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That makes 5, one more and we can roll a d6 to determine secondary commander

stark skiff
sudden lava
stark skiff
#

I meant the bow tie guy lmao

sudden lava
#

No clue

stark skiff
#

Some new pickups for my valentines @atomic harness

past socket
#

WARK

sudden lava
# sudden lava

good thing for the blue card on the left there isnt a card that makes a lot of turtles in one bur
OH, wait.

trail anvil
#

undersupported creature types really ate this set

atomic harness
quiet edge
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Just learned that Mitsuhiro Arita actually did Magic card artwork for a drop, or whatever they called it

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Which sounds really cool.

sudden lava
#

ngl I hope we get another leak the days before debut stream

quiet edge
#

I'm just waitning on whenever that Monster Hunter series they ended up scrapping is going to be

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I'd play the hell out of a deck that features Magnamalo

steady onyx
stark skiff
subtle sierra
#

i have encountered the ultimate timmy

trail anvil
#

I respect it, just wanting to smash as hard as possible

subtle sierra
#

they were smashed by removal turbo

trail anvil
#

such is the life of a timmy

#

should've been running more protection, skill issue tbh

golden plover
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golden plover
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This was the list I was trying

sleek ferry
#

Harmonizer jump scare

trail anvil
#

monogreen
imagine not having an answer for that outta nowhere kill 😎

golden plover
#

They're doing the pride event again

#

The important question for this, now that Lutri is unbanned, is what deck I build to represent mine and my boyfriend's fursonas lol

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He's obviously Lutri. Do I go with Phelia or Pakko

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Phelia is the correct dog type, but if I pick Pakko I can also keep most of the deck the same and make a proxy of Halden for him

twilit canyon
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lutri would have worked alot nicer with phelia but ig pakko is just better

zinc shard
#

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subtle sierra
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they don't know how to publish videos properly icant

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the video is 2 days old but was privated

zinc shard
#

its from todays MTG Arena Announcements

subtle sierra
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i know

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doesn't change the fact youtube says 2 days ago

golden plover
#

Force him to learn magic to play one easy

zinc shard
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ayo wtf

golden plover
#

Lutri just goes infinite with every copy spell, yeah?

glad peak
#

[[lutri, the spellchaser]]

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Legendary Creature — Elemental Otter
Companion — Each nonland card in your starting deck has a different name. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for mana3 as a sorcery.)
Flash
When Lutri enters, if you cast it, copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
3/2

glad peak
#

Not really, unless you mean stuff like reverb

golden plover
#

I was thinking ireniclus' duplication and similar

trail anvil
#

how many copy instants/sorceries are there that make it nonlegendary

golden plover
#

Remind me again, how do choice spells work with copying?

golden plover
glad peak
#

If the “if you would cast it” didnt exist, it would’ve been so peam

golden plover
#

But I'm planning to combo off with Orvar too

glad peak
#

You didn’t read it till now too? I was so sad by it 🥲

golden plover
#

GOD DAMMIT

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I was thinking Lutri won off [[Ashling's Command]]

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glad peak
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Yeah I wish

golden plover
#

Okay Lutri sucks then

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How the fuck does he win the game

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Imma swap Lutri for Alania

trail anvil
#

oof

past socket
#

Hell yeah Izzet! What the fuck is a linear combo!?

tardy echo
zinc shard
#

here we go again

atomic harness
#

Wow those are cracked

twilit canyon
#

its tomb

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snap pick

glad peak
#

Is there a reverb that can target copies?

#

I can’t remember

zinc shard
#

Ended up with a reanimator/show and tell deck

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3 ppl in a row with Black Lotus

trail anvil
#

I wonder when they're actually going to ban ajani and tamiyo in regular brawl queue tbh

#

I think I said this before but the fact that they're banned for a competitive brawl event but not the regular queue is crazy to me

sleek ferry
#

Songcrafter continues being an mvp for this deck

#

Like, songcrafter randomly getting you a well timed spell pierce or lightning bolt, wins the game so hard

golden plover
#

Suffering from success. I also drafted Emrakul and Ulamog but they don't synergize with Sneak Attack

golden plover
#

Yeah t4 elder gargaroth with Kaldra Compleat is unwinnable for them. Note they had a bahamut

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T3

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This deck fucks

golden plover
#

Never fucking mind I guess

sudden lava
#

youtube ad revealed one of the treatments (Base art is a commander precon card)

subtle sierra
#

go into ranked
match into guy nickname Hubris, the Ambitious
johnny player avatar
plays 2 lands
misses land drop, forfeits
g2 i mull to 5 thinking this might be a hard game
opp plays 2 lands
misses land drop, forfeits
?????????????

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thank you for reading my greengraypost

sleek ferry
#

I too quit when I gamble on keeping only 2 lands

subtle sierra
#

idt it was even that bad considering it was orzhov something

#

if this was control you'll draw mazemind eventually

sleek ferry
#

even then, that 3rd landrop makes or breaks a lot of decks

subtle sierra
#

ig fair but

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just mull bro

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it's one of the things i had to learn when starting to play

#

just mulligan you'll be fine(-ish)

golden plover
#

Ninja Pizza is a cool cube card with a terrible name

#

Let's give it up for the lame ass UB bonus sheet being used for the 5th time

subtle sierra
fallow citrus
subtle sierra
#

it's just a rip from a comic

#

wow

golden plover
#

The monkey's paw curls

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"Reprint the surveils"
You get one of them, but it's on the TMNT bonus sheet and look bad

zinc shard
#

Giving the news crew a "channel" ability is genius

sudden lava
#

So news vans deal more damage then news helicopters I see

zinc shard
#

Naw it's not the van, it's the people in the van

sudden lava
stark skiff
#

whats this garbo

lusty trench
stark skiff
#

neat reprint

fallow citrus
#

god I hate all of these cards

golden plover
#

Looking like spiderman 2 up in here

past socket
#

I think Spider-Man was just an outlier due to some behind the scenes issues. But maintaining the agenda and all that

golden plover
#

I dunno, this looks exactly like spiderman to me

#

Might have 3-4 cards that impact any real formats, 80% commander cards too lost in the sauce to really feel like much of anything

#

Since when was there a yellow one

stark skiff
#

for like a decade now

sudden lava
golden plover
#

Oh weird this is literally the only card she's on

#

This is a Graggle Simpson, y'all can't convince me she's real

sudden lava
#

just only art so far

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yep found it

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granted I dont think we've seen art of her as a creature, but yeah she has a technique

#

Funny enough, from what I could find she was originally human

glad peak
#

Oh yeah that one

tardy echo
sudden lava
#

Oh just noticed this is from the commander precon

#

@golden plover found creature art for Jennika

zinc shard
#

this artwork raises more questions then answers

glad peak
#

Bad Apple?

sudden lava
#

If the opponents B or C have 25 life or less before the shredder tokens damage them, thats lethal

#

as they go from (for the 25 example 25 to 15 (10 regular damage) then 15 -> 7 -> 3 -> 1 -> 0

golden plover
#

Why is negate in the limited?

#

I thought the point of foundations was to prevent useless limited slots by keeping some of the staples around

#

Hey not the worst negate art at least

#

That's this one

copper pecan
golden plover
#

Is it? Counterspells are almost always bottom tier picks

atomic harness
#

can we talk about that commander's plate

#

um

golden plover
#

There's obviously some exceptions but counterspells are typically just grabbed to fill slots

golden plover
steady onyx
atomic harness
#

Hello

steady onyx
#

spend 100$

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😭

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its 120 cards

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with a yorion board

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:)

#

when will our legendary comander game with thugs and bio be @atomic harness ?

sudden lava
#

sale on arena right now

sleek ferry
#

Harmonizer really just shits all over azorius

#

it's kinda funny

sudden lava
sudden lava
#

can someone make a gif of the packing facility part?

glad peak
#

very accurate depiction of a packing facility

subtle sierra
#

ossification

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❤️

golden plover
#

Just had a match where I only saw a restless reef and Requiting Hex of theirs G1, (wrongly) assumed it was Excruciatiator, boarded in my hate, and found out it was Reanimator. Guess what deck the hate also hits pretty hard

subtle sierra
#

i mean

#

technically excruciator is reanimator

#

just different

#

i side the same thing into both in control

#

both decks also lack 2 cost spells so that's also convenient to side out snare

golden plover
#

Yeah I board out snare, 2 spyglass, and 2 bitter triumph on them

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Board in betrayal, soul guide, a disdainful stroke, and 3rd tidebinder

subtle sierra
#

i side out 2 seam rip 2 snare 2 doj for 3 rip 2 tishana 1 disdainful

#

rip is funny into excruciator cause they lack enchantment removal

golden plover
#

Yeah they also can't hit walkers

#

So if I stick a Kaito they're struggling to find a bitter triumph or lose

zinc shard
#

Notable reprints:
Vigot - $16
City of Brass - $22
Spire Garden - $19
Undergrowth Stadium - $10

sudden lava
#

THEY REPRINTED BATTLEBOND LANDS, IN A PRECON?!?!

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(Only 2 )

zinc shard
#

gotta save the other ones for future Multiverse precons

zinc shard
#

[[Urban Evolution]]

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sudden lava
#

urban evolution but for 1 less mana and the land enters tapped

zinc shard
#

how the fuck

sleek ferry
#

[[vigot]]

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#

No card found for “vigot”

subtle sierra
#

it's vigor

sleek ferry
#

Sigh

#

That sounds so much less interesting than Vigot

subtle sierra
#

when are we getting Bigot

sleek ferry
#

Marvel set for sure

sudden lava
#

🙂

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probably idk

past socket
#

I hope this reprinting of the Battlebond lands continues

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Should’ve been done more ages ago but I’m not gonna let perfect be the enemy of good

#

City of Brass too looks amazing!

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Apparently by the same person who did the art for the awesomeness that is [[!Topiary Stomper]]

sudden lava
#

love this reprint

fallow citrus
#

Oops, new event history feature in the Companion app revealing large scale event fraud #mtg

Quoting mRichi (@mRichi)

Hola @Arte9_MTG ahora que sale el historial de eventos en companion ya confirmó mis sospechas de que erais vosotros.
︀︀Dejad de meterme en eventos de commander para vuestro beneficio de promo, niveles etc
︀︀A los demás os animo a revisar en el companion,por que se que no soy el único

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subtle sierra
#

did he found he was "playing" in a lot of tourneys?

fallow citrus
#

yep

#

store signing him up to inflate their numbers

copper pecan
past socket
#

Oh shit I didn’t notice that, that’s so cool

fallow citrus
#

amazing

past socket
#

the raccoon statue treasure token from Bloomburrow has a worthy opponent

knotty ferry
#

[[invoked carotenoid]]

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No card found for “invoked carotenoid”

knotty ferry
#

[[invoked carytoid]]

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No card found for “invoked carytoid”

past socket
#

[[Invoked Caryatid]] ?

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No card found for “Invoked Caryatid”

knotty ferry
#

something like that yeah

tardy echo
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tardy echo
#

gg

knotty ferry
#

[[cloud strife]]

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golden plover
#

Dammit accidentally ordered a mismatched set

#

And the full art looks awful

#

Time to try and offload it for a regular one

zinc shard
#

"Hey what if we colorshifted Gala Greeters, and remove the best ability on Gala Greeters?"

trail anvil
#

still a decent tool at 2 mana tho, especially for food decks

#

paying mana for life normally wouldn't be amazing but food synergies and other rectangle synergies are nice

gritty nest
copper pecan
#

this is where i watched my parents die raphael

trail anvil
#

cowabummer

stark skiff
#

endless feet @atomic harness pogofgreed

trail anvil
#

this scales super hard with token doublers

#

goes brazy with three blind mice too

stark skiff
#

yea aside from the punny name its actually really dope. Squad being on it also crazyt

trail anvil
#

the name is a pun?

stark skiff
#

if you like an endless foot assault

tardy echo
trail anvil
#

plus an extra power and food synergies

glad peak
#

Ayo wtf?

tardy echo
#

Holy welcome back to standard second sunrise

#

Or is that the commander set logo

#

Please say it’s not I need a fun standard card here

#

Classes are cool but I need morrrrrre

trail anvil
#

standard set logo is the turtle face

glad peak
#

Sneak attack into dump your hand into continue? icant

lusty trench
#

Cool standard designs, No commander here

#

Cool standard designs? No, commander here!

glad peak
#

It’s the same issue every set icant

urban crane
golden plover
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Oh my God they did the pigeon again

subtle sierra
golden plover
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Not beating the spiderman 2 allegations when they put the same fucking card in the set

subtle sierra
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No no you see

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This isn't a 1/1

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This is a 0/2

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Big difference

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Also why is this uncommon

lusty trench
glad peak
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So it can block the pigeon in block draft and live, duh

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They really brought back blocks but in the worst way possible icant

steady onyx
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like HUGE

lusty trench
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Over correction prolly

steady onyx
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yeah

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but like w.e

golden plover
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Holy shit there's SEVEN versions of each turtle in the main set

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Maybe an IP doesn't work when you have to do seven versions of each character

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If you count the commander versions it's 10

glad peak
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They can do the same with kpop demon hunters now and no one will bat an eyean eye icant

glad peak
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Be prepared for a variant for each member with each of the song names next to them icant

golden plover
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That's how we make a full set lol

trail anvil
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surely this was just hasbro pushing them to do this property cause who actually asked for tmnt in current year

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the card designs have been better than Spider-Man again not a high bar but the flavor ain't it

twilit canyon
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this set doesnt seem horrible but as u said its beating spider-man

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but that bar is in hell

glad peak
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maybe after the new york block we can get a korea block

trail anvil
hidden ermine
trail anvil
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did we really need this many cards for each turtle and so many non turtle cards referencing pizza

zinc shard
trail anvil
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... isn't this just a card already?

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[[poison dart frog]] ah it's in the opposite order

lost widgetBOT
trail anvil
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that's a lot better

copper pecan
subtle sierra
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why is he a spirit

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???????????

zinc shard
hidden ermine
copper pecan
trail anvil
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he's about to be gunR

subtle sierra
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i don't wanna die yet

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i'm pretty happy with living rn

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maybe in like 70 years

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i'm sure komi can arrange it

golden plover
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Why would you echo of eons here

trail anvil
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okay, date set! have fun

golden plover
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You very clearly had game

trail anvil
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what format is this, cube?

golden plover
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Yeah arena cube

urban crane
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Curious when wel get power rangers ub

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Or peak ub peppa pig

tardy echo
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Peppa pig UB might make me an investor bro

stark skiff
lusty trench
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Artist does art for tmnt regularly

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He just decided to phone this one the fuck out ig

golden plover
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How many treatments does this set have

glad peak
tardy echo
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Wow. Wotc put oppression in standard. Yeppers

golden plover
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Wait what

zinc shard
sleek ferry
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Oh look, yet another spell that ftk’s cub decks

tardy echo
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I wonder if we’ll get a class for her too

golden plover
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Nah we don't have room

trail anvil
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bouncing a creature to avoid the board wipe is a smart design though

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and reuse an etb

tardy echo
copper pecan
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all the classes are rares and all of them have been revealed

tardy echo
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Also idk if it ever got posted here but there’s a shredder technique that’s 3 mana destroy creature or enchantment sneak is B

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Err

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Just black

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Fixed

tardy echo
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They have printed uncommon classes before PoyoyoHmm

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Unless there has been actual confirmation that we’ve gotten all the classes that I didn’t see

copper pecan
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iirc they said so in one of the design articles

tardy echo
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Ah unfort

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Well I actually don’t gaf that much I didn’t even know there was a yellow turtle until this week I just like classes

copper pecan
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the black one seems really good

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[[ninja teen]]

lost widgetBOT
copper pecan
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i'm definitely gonna run it in my sephiroth brawl deck

sudden lava
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Helped teach a newer magic player today
they were on WUBRG eldrazi 💀

sleek ferry
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There’s actually a lot of solid cards in this set

copper pecan
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yeah i've been pleasently surprised by this set

zinc shard
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im in the same boat. Friend was learning, and netdecked a Codie deck

sleek ferry
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The Leonardo that has sneak for W can reset you aven interrupters/aang

copper pecan
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it's a lot better than the spiderman one. i know the bar is in hell but still

sudden lava
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they gave the precon bond lands, city of brass, even fabled passage

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granted only 2 of the bond lands, but thats 2 more then other modern precons

past socket
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I hope they keep it up!

sudden lava
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Please be a pattern yeah maldhoPray , strixhaven plz have the other bond lands (4 more reprinted, plus another print of the golgari)

tardy echo
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I like a lot of the cards in this set I just wish they found more stuff to do than 7 cards for each turtle

sleek ferry
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And I play kurruk as a finisher

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So I’m always going wide

tardy echo
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Sure I guess

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Just feels a little unnecessary to me

sleek ferry
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Except irl where I have a perfect six pack and perfect quads

tardy echo