#Magic the Gathering
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zinc shard
we did it, we broke [[Panglacial Wurm]]
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urban crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337838443625316353/1466069312325423146/im...
Okay is there an actual application for this
trail anvil
your $1000 foil? my $1000 foil
hidden ermine
Okay is there an actual application for this
[[Panglacial Wurm]]
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golden plover
Lmao just played a match against a Boros token deck that used [[dusk rose reliquary]] to try and hit my enchantment curiosity g1. Then in g2 they attempted to use it to hit Kaito and immediately scooped
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Artifact
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact or creature.
Ward 
When this artifact enters, exile target artifact or creature an opponent controls until this artifact leaves the battlefield.
golden plover
You would think after missing the target the first time you'd read your card the second
subtle sierra
alph do i need to point you to the multiples of ketramose screenshots i have
ppl are stupid
golden plover
Sucks to be the control player and have no cards
I also don't get why control boards in authority against Dimir??? That feels incorrect
sleek ferry
idk why you're boarding in authority period over high noon/rest in peace tbh, regardless of matchup
lusty trench
Surely you know how your cards work in mythic
golden plover
<:cheems:683182129668292685>
I dunno, if I made the same mistake twice in a match in mythic I'd delete the game
sleek ferry
X
glad peak
Surely you go all in on creature tutors and remove ouroboroids, no? 
subtle sierra
it's just that i don't get why is this sultai when you play 5 blue cards
why do you want marang in this
riddler is w/e
superior?????
what do you copy, the behemoth you milled with your, count, one overlord?
like yeah this works but it has a very big question mark on why
sleek ferry
Pretty sure you just copy speaker, ouroboid or craterhoof depending on your options/game state
Also I’m curious because I really never seen this card, we got a 2 mana mill 4 on a body in Lorwyn that adds back a creature or a land?
subtle sierra
[[midnight tilling]]
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Instant
Mill four cards. You may put a permanent card from among the cards milled this way into your hand. If you control a Squirrel or returned a Squirrel card to your hand this way, create a Food token. (To mill four cards, put the top four cards of your library into your graveyard. A Food token is an artifact with ", 
, Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
subtle sierra
it's something to keep in mind once bloomburrow rotates ig
sleek ferry
[[luwen imperfect naturarilist]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
When Lluwen enters, mill four cards, then you may put a creature or land card from among the milled cards on top of your library.
, , Discard a land card: Create a 1/1 black and green Worm creature token for each land card in your graveyard.
"I know I belong somewhere—just not here."
1/3
subtle sierra
oh him?
subtle sierra
yeah
sleek ferry
I was like, no way this guy isn’t crazy
glad peak
Mana’s good enough to justify greed piles tbh
atomic harness
Wow it's two mana lumra
glad peak
Where
golden plover
https://x.com/i/status/2016579504173420577
Isn't she like super dead?
lusty trench
Isnt her whole thing reviving from the dead
trail anvil
this card is hilarious but triple blue is so prohibitive
lusty trench
Also this could just be a jeskas will reprint in the archives
trail anvil
is there any etb in monoblue good enough where you actually want this?
golden plover
Isnt her whole thing reviving from the dead
Yeah but her lore ends with her phasing out of existence while hugging her brother
trail anvil
Also this could just be a jeskas will reprint in the archives
this wouldn't surprise me
glad peak
6 7
glad peak
Yeah but her lore ends with her phasing out of existence while hugging her broth...
So she’ll come back on her turn 
twilit canyon
gain "evoke - exile a blue card from your hand."
blink lists are about to go crazy as fuck
draw 2 discard 2 -> pitch a blue card for atraxa, flicker atraxa
copper pecan
golden plover
Dammit. First legendary Noggle and he's an alchemy card
Infestation is cool ig
Doesn't feel like there's ever a reason to evoke it tho
past socket
Ain’t that a pain in the ass
trail anvil
[[blowfly infestation]]
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trail anvil
if you evoke it then it puts another -1/-1 counter on a creature since infestation says "each"
I'm sure there's payoffs for stuff dying with counters otherwise too
subtle sierra
trail anvil
[[massacre girl]]
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sleek ferry
People just be playing anything
golden plover
Mono-Black annoying card tribal
Although ngl, you're also just playing anything
I see 5c mana and a caretakers out
broken fjord
Building dimir azula. Lots of people build her as a theft commander, but she doesn't actually reward you for doing that. Blink looks better.
zinc shard
My experience trying new decks
fallow citrus
they really reinvented peak
https://x.com/i/status/2016617815923446169
X
atomic harness
Poggies
fallow citrus
this is crazy
https://fixupx.com/i/status/2016702456525213701
golden plover
God we just gotta shit down Cedh
tardy echo
I think we actually have to shit on commander players
I cannot think of a player base who got more enraged that their easily broken format got… broken
tardy echo
Yes because commander players would rather spend 12 hours politicking than playing the actual game
It’s really really funny whenever a 60 card content creator plays commander on yt or something and every time they try to start politics they just go wtf are you doing
golden plover
Holy shit Mana Pool knocked my $400 cart down to $280
glad peak
I don’t have Twitter, what’s that 10 thread thing say
Tbh id say rhythm is the best ban, giving a big mana deck 8 tutors alongside their 4 tutors is kind of crazy
lusty trench
One more hit gets us there
Shit is the death note meme where light writes the name and it either turns into hell on earth or utopia
To leave it as it is, or to risk making the format dogshit with 1 hit
golden plover
Tbh id say rhythm is the best ban, giving a big mana deck 8 tutors alongside the...
Nah rhythm is dogshit without cub
glad peak
True but they’re not gonna ban cub so early
golden plover
6 mana for boid is a big ask when your stuff doesn't all tap for 2
Cub is absolutely the correct hit
glad peak
Theyre gonna kill something for cub’s sins
golden plover
Standard becomes super balanced with it gone
Without cub cheating the mana, rhythm gets much weaker
glad peak
Also llanowar elves might get hit just because of cub’s sins (yet again)
The point being theyre not gonna hit cub because it’s too new but will ban something because it’s too good
sleek ferry
Called Sultai rep going way up
sleek ferry
Also I rather leave standard as is. Meta is pretty healthy, we don’t want a situation like the list before we hit Vivi where we hit too many things and standard was borderline unplayable until Vivi finally did get hit
There’s also no reason to hit cub rn, unless you’re just a Dimir player that wants that mid ass deck to finally be anything but mid
golden plover
I mean, 40% of the field is on cub rhythm piles
As a Dimir player, Dimir is good rn
But I think standard opens up a ton with cub dead
sleek ferry
It really doesn't lol. If we kill Cub, more than half the decks will just be elemental piles, and then what? We going to ask for Deceit to get hit?
golden plover
Nah, I think those decks move a lot slower and are fairer
Slower and fairer means more interaction
Cub has the issue that they can have 7-10 mana up on t3
sleek ferry
I've heard Deceit be called a lot of things, Fair is not one of them
golden plover
Deceit is thoughtseize at BB
That's literally fine
For 1UUBB you basically get a bigger ravenous chupacabra
sleek ferry
Also there's decks that are severely underexplored, like the new boros dragon aggro brew. I rather give this meta at least another month+ for people to settle in
Also, if the majority of meta is cub piles, that benefits Sultai the most
past socket
“I can’t wait for this bullshit to be hit so my fair and honest archetype can make it to the top!”
golden plover
I mean a lot of the piles would get better without cub too
Standard currently requires you answering a 2/2 on 2 or losing the game
That's a rough check sometimes
sleek ferry
you can also just check the entire board on 3
Meta going away from Split Up just happened because Bant can't afford to side it and no other deck in the top 10 splashes white rn
golden plover
Split up doesn't do it cleanly
Half their dorks will be tapped
So you can't just take the whole board
sleek ferry
that was just one example, you got pinnacle starcage which forces them to have wist, the red board wipe that deals 2 to everything, there's options out there, people are just willingly choosing to race the cub decks instead
tardy echo
Also even with split up if you deal with half the board
You’re still good idk
This is the same way people were talking about cub when avatar first came out and it certainly wasn’t true then
The decks are a lot better post lorwyn but please just let it cook for more than a week
sleek ferry
This is the same way people were talking about cub when avatar first came out an...
Also, people actually ran split up in that PT that cub didn't do shit and lessons dominated
glad peak
Nah theyre the ones setting the ban timeline, ban them all
golden plover
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glad peak
oh yeah that's a card some people are playing over murky
subtle sierra
Tbh id say rhythm is the best ban, giving a big mana deck 8 tutors alongside the...
There's a second rhythym so like
glad peak
Not one that’s 2 tutors in 1 card
glad peak
Theyre not banning cub this early
glad peak
Tarkir’s at least been a year already
trail anvil
I think it's more likely they just let it fester for a bit like vivi
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golden plover
When you could cut off the mana
Yeah paying 7 for Riddler feels bad if they don't have 8 on 3
copper pecan
twilit canyon
send him to the time loop
trail anvil
azorius definitely makes the worst pizza
I wonder if they've even heard of pizza
I think izzet would get freaky with the toppings (affectionate) and I agree with simic getting freaky with the toppings (derogatory)
glad peak
I like strawberries on pizza 
sleek ferry
Then Brazilian pizza is just for you
trail anvil
dimir are the kind of people to keep their recipes under wraps tightly
pulsar talon
Dimir making pizza is just Brazil making pizza
I feel like dimir would be like
Anchovies on pizza
sleek ferry
That sounds too normal
glad peak
dimir are the kind of people to keep their recipes under wraps tightly
So a calzone?
trail anvil
no
glad peak
but a calzone is wrapped tightly
tardy echo
https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/807100598091710464/so-you-can-see-what-youv...
I think boros would prob make the most normal pizza here idk
glad peak
the drama about lying in cedh reminds me of a classic line from a game that, for some reason, has very different opinions on the same things
"of course i lied, it's poker"
meanwhile poker community: "noooo you can't use data to study, that's cheating"
zinc shard
Not the best at deckbuilding so looked up a few lists online and ive been having a blast with this
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lusty trench
Avatar in there thinking he's part of the team
copper pecan
zinc shard
[[Rite of Flame]] [[Take Inventory]]
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Sorcery
Add 
, then add for each card named Rite of Flame in each graveyard.
Deep beneath the ice, beneath the soil and the rock, Dominaria's fire still burned hot.
zinc shard
Definitely building them in Brawl
golden plover
People are just playing whatever with the elementals huh?
5c Reanimate Elementals
It's the Grixis list but splashing for green and ardynn
golden plover
Love losing a winning game (mirror, their build is much worse) because I kept a 3 lander and never drew a 4th land...
glad peak
Welp lost multiple cedh games due to going fourth and being one stack position too low
Every game the opponent had another push above my consecutive pushes/protection
golden plover
Simply go first I guess
glad peak
Simply just get better at rolling dice lmao
trail anvil
should've negotiated a couple more hours maybe
glad peak
With the deck I had, I probably could’ve drawn the games if there were time limits
It was nice playing with a pod whose mentality was “fuck negotiations just play the game” though
It did come up time to time but was always policed
atomic harness
Seat four sucks yeah
What does stack position mean? Your opponents won over top?
or is it like when it comes to responding to stuff
glad peak
Both
If seat order was slightly different I would have won on top of their attempts instead of the other way around
glad peak
so premodern is good and looks like it's going to be the next bigger fan formats
especially after that parallax tide ban
idk if it'll get big enough to have big events though, even pauper's been struggling a bit with that
kinda crazy how good a 3 card combo to kill all your opponent's board and lands was back then though
tardy echo
Well even just the wave combo was very strong
Tide is just cherry on top
Ppl still play some opalescence wave stuff
glad peak
yeah, it's pretty strong but nowhere near the top anymore
i'm sad survival nightmare isn't top tier anymore either
i am surprised at the number of people who are speccing on psychatog though
golden plover
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glad peak
who could've seen that coming
golden plover
Didn't literally everyone say this would happen during spoiler season lol
Maybe there shouldn't be two cards with near identical art and names with similar effects
glad peak
I still love how a card this guy made for his cube is shaking every format
trail anvil
a creature tutor with a fat ass and an untap built in seems like the right way to do that
past socket
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sleek ferry
It’s basically monstrous rage for this deck
past socket
Finally gonna go full swing into playing more Standard among some other formats. Looking to learn Dimir Midrange for Standard, any tips?
sleek ferry
Finally gonna go full swing into playing more Standard among some other formats....
Probably just netdeck a PT list, play it, learn it and then make changes according to your playstyle
golden plover
Finally gonna go full swing into playing more Standard among some other formats....
I play a TON of Dimir, it's my favorite deck
I can help with any questions and guides you'd need
I'm in numbered mythic rn, and this is the list I'm running
A big thing to keep in mind is not to be afraid to pass the turn with full mana up
You're a tempo deck and wanna play in their turn, 90% of your deck is instants/has flash
Honestly, I'm debating cutting spyglass siren and playing a 3/3 split on Bitterbloom Bearer and Flitterwing Nuisance
past socket
That’s how I understand midrange as a concept in a Magic context
Going as fast or as slow as you need at the time
golden plover
But Bitterbloom is a $20 card and I don't want to spend $60
golden plover
Going as fast or as slow as you need at the time
Yeah you dictate the tempo
They play at the speed you want
And don't be afraid to flash in a curiousity just the block
past socket
Makes sense given how the Enduring Cycle works
zinc shard
After work luck kicking in
past socket
Woop woop!
golden plover
Designing a new MH4 card:
Altar of the Arisen Necropolis
Legendary Enchantment - {G/B} {G/B}
Once per turn, you may play a creature card from your graveyard. It gains Convoke, Delve, and "You can't spend mana to cast this spell".
glad peak
Remember when [[diamond weapon]] could’ve done a hogaak impression
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Elemental
This spell costs 
less to cast for each permanent card in your graveyard.
Reach
Immune — Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to Diamond Weapon.
A tutelary creature said only to appear when the planet is in grave danger.
8/8
glad peak
I wish that deck was actually playable
golden plover
My other bold new idea for MH4: we're pushing shrines real hard by making Yorion, Uro, and Nadu into shrines
trail anvil
kinda wild how they made shrines mainstream with avatar
sleek ferry
X
trail anvil
is harmonizer not a cub deck too?
sleek ferry
is harmonizer not a cub deck too?
Harmonizer is an aggro deck
glad peak
nah harmonizer is the combo deck using full bore and [[mightform harmonizer]] to otk
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Creature — Insect Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, double the power of target creature you control until end of turn.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/4
glad peak
1 land drop on is 14 damage, 2 land drops (doable with passage or icetill) is 28
sleek ferry
Yeah that’s aggro to me, it otk’s on 3 or 4
It does have the ability to stabilize with Icetill so idk what we would call it
glad peak
the earliest it can kill is 5 and the rest of the deck is card selection and control though
oh wait no earliest is 4, passage works
but yeah the rest of the deck is pretty controlling
sleek ferry
Don’t they play llanowar? I was under the assumption they did, if not yeah, 4 is the earliest
glad peak
nope only creatures are 1 wist, 3 icetill, 4 harmonizer
very interesting deck
it was something like 10 cub answers in the main also
sleek ferry
Oh huh, I thought they ran wist and vibrance, I assumed vibrance to fetch passage
Also since vibrance doubles as removal
Well so much for pope saying cub needs to be hit (for today). Let’s see how sub fares tomorrow
glad peak
i still think green should get hit somewhat but the elementals pile... wow
tapout control at its finest
stablize against cub with vibrance early game and sunderflock mid game, go for back to back haymakers late game, pretty good
of course they board in a bunch of cards to hit cub in the board but damn that deck looks sick
sleek ferry
I think in a bigger list we probably hit superior Spiderman and cub together, along with other stuff, I just don’t see it as necessary anytime soon
copper pecan
glad peak
where's options 11-15?
sudden lava
I noticed all 5 of the strixhaven precons have a mascot on the cover, possibly the secondary commanders
(yes I didnt see the owl face and pointed to it's wing)
past socket
ootter
trail anvil
that owl art goes hard as hell
lusty trench
The owl looks sick ye
glad peak
Nah it looks pretty healthy to me ngl
glad peak
Welp cedh tournament soon, time to go to time every game
Well, not yet but in about half a day
Expecting it to go another half day
trail anvil
kinda wondering why [[faeburrow elder]] didn't get an erratum to include vivid considering it has the exact same text to add mana as bloom tender
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Creature — Treefolk Druid
Vigilance
This creature gets +1/+1 for each color among permanents you control.
: For each color among permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
Faeries trade trinkets for tales, growing their knowledge and his collection.
0/0
trail anvil
it got reprinted in a lorwyn commander deck too
golden plover
Vivid is an ability word, not actual rules text. It technically doesn't do anything
trail anvil
ik, I just figured since they put it in for bloom tender in the same set they'd update it for this too
it doesn't do anything, but it makes it easier to read
sleek ferry
Well that top 8 was probably the best one I’ve watched at a major mtg tournament
sleek ferry
Trying something new here, Sygg has been really overperforming for me here
sudden lava
So yeah looks like I'm definitely getting this
ready for the sauceless mana base, at least its a 43 new card precon
atomic harness
Trying something new here, Sygg has been really overperforming for me here
Thank you son
[[restless anchorage]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add 
or 
.
: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 2/3 white and blue Bird creature with flying. It's still a land.
Whenever this land attacks, create a Map token.
glad peak
Cedh is a meme format
Had fun but damn
The game really just turns into yapping and fishing for draws
atomic harness
The game really just turns into yapping and fishing for draws
Did you get your 1 point little one
sleek ferry
Woke up, played 10 ladder games, lost none. Every game I drew Sygg was a stomp
Also Sygg’s protection randomly came up in this game
tardy echo
Wall
golden plover
Hmm do I build Dimir Excruciatiator to test it?
sleek ferry
Hmm do I build Dimir Excruciatiator to test it?
If you already have Sultai built it’s an easy pivot
If not, I would say no
golden plover
I have most of Dimir in paper
I'd just need the deceits, Spiderman, and Excruciatiators
trail anvil
Also Sygg’s protection randomly came up in this game
wtf are you facing lol
oh probably some shit with [[soul immolation]] ?
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sleek ferry
wtf are you facing lol
Pretty sure it was a standard mono green build with wall. I think they were trying to top deck into ouroboid or rhythm but it never came
Wait I’m just realizing now that it was a gruul deck lol
trail anvil
yeah I think it's a soul immolation one shot meme
idk what else you're doing in gruul with that much mana + wall
golden plover
That’s 12 rare wildcards lol
I'm p sure I have all the cards on arena. Moreso meant irl
I think the deceits are money, but I don't think the rest is?
Deceits are $30???? Guess I'm not pivoting to Excruciatiator
trail anvil
card is bonkers
golden plover
It's good yeah, but I don't think it's $120 a playset good
I already own pretty much everything else in this list tho
sleek ferry
It's good yeah, but I don't think it's $120 a playset good
Disagree tbh
If anything I think it should be higher
golden plover
Nah, it's a good card, but 2 mana for a thoughtseize or 5 to destroy target permanent isn't format warping
In no world is it it a bad card, but I don't think it's crazy
sleek ferry
Like I said last week, 2 mana thoughtseize is cool, but 4 mana thoughtseize + bounce + body is game winning a lot of the time
trail anvil
dimir "send target permanent to the graveyard" ez
golden plover
Like I said last week, 2 mana thoughtseize is cool, but 4 mana thoughtseize + bo...
I mean it's usually 5 to get the body + bounce + thoughtseize
sleek ferry
Think I might order 3 boxes of Lorwyn as a birthday present to myself
golden plover
It's 4 with Kavero yeah, but you won't always be using him for that
trail anvil
I mean thoughtseize into thoughtseize again with kavaero sounds pretty nice to me
golden plover
Every list that plays Kavero does have better targets, but it's definitely a strong synergy
golden plover
I mean thoughtseize into thoughtseize again with kavaero sounds pretty nice to m...
Oh yeah it's tough to be on the receiving end of that
sleek ferry
In Dimir? There’s no 4 mana play better than that for superior Spiderman lol
It was literally the go to play in the PT
golden plover
Kaito is rn imo
Nothing is running removal for Kaito outside of reanimator
And that's a free MU for midrange
subtle sierra
isn't deceit a 6 [[deceit]]
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, return up to one other target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
When this creature enters, if 
was spent to cast it, target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
Evoke 
5/5
sleek ferry
Yeah
subtle sierra
[[vibrance]]
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, this creature deals 3 damage to any target.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. You gain 2 life.
Evoke 
4/4
sleek ferry
The worst one by far is emptiness
golden plover
But yeah, Deceit is great, especially with Kavero
But I think there's a very strong merit to regular Dimir too rn
I mean, there was a regular Dimir in the top 8 also
sleek ferry
Dimir mid had a good showing at this PT. But we already know that if Dimir mid ever takes off, the deck is stupid easy to build for/side against
There’s almost no reason not to go the excruciator build
As opposed to mid
golden plover
I think Dimir mid being good is a decent indicator of format health yeah
And RN is mostly healthy so that's promising
sleek ferry
I told you not to worry about the cub
golden plover
Dimir Mid can never really be the "best deck" but it's always gonna be strong in healthier formats
sleek ferry
Turns out when you run outs to the cub, the deck just folds, who knew
golden plover
I can see the appeal of Excruciatiator but I figure it'll come down to some more testing if it's truly the best deck in the format or just caught everyone off guard
sleek ferry
That boros dragon brew I was hyping up also topped, which is a very good sign for the meta
golden plover
I can see both outcomes
But it's like when Vampires and Tree Combo popped up in Pioneer
Both decks were initially good because no one expected them
Or I guess Lessons in standard
Lessons is in this weird place where it's both fraudulent and you have to respect it tho
sleek ferry
Lessons feels like the bar in standard rn
golden plover
Most of the time it's dogshit, but every once in a while it's just unbeatable
sleek ferry
Like if your deck can’t 50/50 vs lessons
trail anvil
lessons are the only deck I have wildcards for but it's not my playstyle 😭
golden plover
If they can get online before you you're fucked
sleek ferry
Then you shouldn’t be playing the deck
tardy echo
I think lessons is good but I also think way more people are playing lessons than there would normally be relative to its actual power level
golden plover
But if you stop them in any capacity their individual pieces don't do enough
sleek ferry
Yeah, like lessons isn’t amazing or anything
golden plover
I think lessons is better with better pilots obv
golden plover
But I think there's just too many interaction points they fold on
Like I said, you do have to respect lessons
But I think it's also not the Boogeyman it was made out to be
trail anvil
striker was the strongest deck forever though
golden plover
Yeah I think lessons is more..
BA?
trail anvil
BA was also the strongest deck in multiple formats
sleek ferry
Correction; the deck is striker during branded format
It’s a hurdle you need to clear if you want to compete in the meta
tardy echo
But I think it's also not the Boogeyman it was made out to be
I mean when it was made out to be a boogeyman lorwyn also wasn’t out yet
Lorwyn was basically a strictly bad set for that deck
sleek ferry
Lessons is in a pretty healthy place right now
Also the issue with lessons is that deck has very little ground to pivot
tardy echo
Few/No cards that the deck includes and helps basically all of the decks it competed with
subtle sierra
eh
a 4/4 that gives a +2 or +3 for 4 mana sounds ehhh tbh at this point
and that's only if your other things live
by turn 4 you get stuff like simic establish their stuff and you're facing bodies from dimir into a cat
sleek ferry
we also had better targets in avatar, and if that didn't make this remotely viable, idt anything will
subtle sierra
iirc it's only farm animals, no?
idr more stuff that is 3 types that aren't human
like ik half the set is allies but
most of them are also human
sleek ferry
yeah basically
subtle sierra
I wonder if it was like a 2 drop 1/1 if it was viable
In some aggro thing
Just a double anthem on turn2
sudden lava
we also had better targets in avatar, and if that didn't make this remotely viab...
Samurai Leo is +4/+4, highest I've seen for this guy so far
sleek ferry
btw I had a random thought, what if for the banlist, since we don't have anything we really want to hit since standard is fine right now, how's about we hit stock up
subtle sierra
Not before i sell it
Also it furthers my consult agenda
Otherwise I don't really see the point
Card's fine, in like, not an oppressive way
sleek ferry
well that's the main reason I want to hit it, blue has consult, winternight stories etc
I was actually considering hitting winternight stories instead
subtle sierra
Idk, i think them having multiples of the same card is fine
Stock is fine imo cause you lose tempo on turn 3 in a fairly fast metagame
And if control draws it later, that's the intended use case
Winternight i could see due to it being looting, drawing for some stuff, and being recastable
sleek ferry
well the decks that play stock up don't really care about the tempo loss tbf, but fair
subtle sierra
But i also see it as an acceptable power level
subtle sierra
well the decks that play stock up don't really care about the tempo loss tbf, bu...
Well yeah but like, if you're a slower deck, losing tempo over using a removal to regain tempo can be an important reason you lose in matchups, which makes the player choose, thus skill expression
So I'm fine with that
If a deck doesn't do much before turn 4 i think it's fine too
sleek ferry
I also think we're seeing the game slow down a bit
Jeskai control started off 11-0 at the PT
Dimir Excruciator isn't exactly a fast deck
subtle sierra
that's fair
tardy echo
btw I had a random thought, what if for the banlist, since we don't have anythin...
I remember when this was a semi popular opinion and then everybody just forgot
That card is so crazy
sleek ferry
I think solar makes fair points tbf, I’m torn between it and winter night stories
But I just think even if stock up is gone, consult the star charts exists
tardy echo
I think consult is fine
And I think while stories as a card itself is better it’s more narrow in what decks play it
I think stock up gives an unreasonable amount of card selection unreasonably early
It’s lowk mtg prosperity
subtle sierra
consult and stock comparison i slightly disagree with
not only cause the mana cost, it's more flexible and is instant
but from the prism of it's a spell that makes you +1, sure
tardy echo
Idk I just think it’s like very telling that stock up sees actual factual vintage play
Like yes yes different format etc but it’s still very indicative imo of the cards power level
twilit canyon
also vintage often fucks over all the other cards like expressive iteration, dtt, cruise and such
tardy echo
Consult scales better, it’s more flexible and is arguably a better card overall in control decks in standard as a whole but stock up imo becomes problematic in the context of being played in so many different decks as an extremely efficient way not just to draw cards but get very specific selection on cards
twilit canyon
so stock up not being restricted even if worse, still sees play cus what else are u playing after your 1 ofs from the broken pool of card digging/drawing
tardy echo
Like I don’t think stock ruins the format by existing or whatever but I do think it’s probably one of the strongest standard legal cards right now
tardy echo
so stock up not being restricted even if worse, still sees play cus what else ar...
Tbf stock up is also mostly played in lurrus where delve cards are sort of anti synergy
Or in po where you don’t really fill your gy a ton
glad peak
Did you get your 1 point little one
I got final table
tardy echo
Some decks like oath also play stock up over dtt but I honestly couldn’t tell u why that is
atomic harness
I got final table
Good job little one
sleek ferry
Yeah like idt Stock up is this broken card that needs to be hit, but if we wanted to like make a hit for the sake of making a hit (idt cub needs one, nor accumulate wisdon, superior spiderman is getting close though) then hitting stock up sounds decent imo
@subtle sierra what do you think about the flash fairie that can counter noncreature spells?
subtle sierra
it's funny in flash ig, but like as a 2 of
or even side
into decks that specifically look to boardwipe
sleek ferry
I've been considering it, but yeah might just be better in the side
subtle sierra
i'd consider it as extra aven interruptors into control
lusty trench
Just letting yall know a new secret lair is coming to the mystery vault
golden plover
btw I had a random thought, what if for the banlist, since we don't have anythin...
Stock Up is Mystical Archive
Won't happen
lusty trench
Its the same lair but they have it avaliable at multiple price points
Lowest is £10 non foil, £20 foil
golden plover
$10 non foil is crazy
That's an instant grab if any of the cards are good
What's in it?
lusty trench
sleek ferry
Stock Up is Mystical Archive
idt this matters tbh. the card sees play in every format
hitting it in standard is inconsequential
lusty trench
Dryad arbor probably makes it a buy alone
golden plover
Damn I wish I liked any of the treatments in this
But they're all hard to read
Worth it I guess for the dryad arbor tho
lusty trench
Nature's lore ain't a bad reprint either
lusty trench
Keep in mind they might be stocking them at that price at very low levels
golden plover
When is this available?
lusty trench
Oh you can buy them now
It said coming soon but when I clicked on it you can add to basket
Queue is 25 mins for me, not gonna get it myself but
golden plover
I guess this is a test for what price a random lair should be
sleek ferry
oh for $10 I'm definitely getting in queue for this
sleek ferry
well they sold out of the $10 one to nobody's surprise
but also, shipping was $12, tf am I going to pay more for the shipping than the secret lair
sudden lava
One creature this buffs by 4 doesn't make this viable lol
wasn't the point I was making, I was showing there is a better target then the avatar farm animals.
In general there is gonna be a lot of non human 3 types in this set
golden plover
Yeah they're absolutely fucking with pricing stuff to see what happens
subtle sierra
wasn't the point I was making, I was showing there is a better target then the ...
wut
you made a point about a guy that is buffed by 4 is
is more buffed than a card that is buffed by 4
sudden lava
is more buffed than a card that is buffed by 4
my point was on it being better
Both get +4/+4, one is way better
subtle sierra
yes and we told you that one card doesn't make it viable
or even good
and i'm not gonna lie farm animals are better simply due to being a haywire mite lite
sleek ferry
curious farm animals is also a 1 drop which I would argue is better than leo due to leon just doing nothing on etb
subtle sierra
yeah
sudden lava
Its a double striker you can sneak out at least
twilit canyon
the bar is in hell
sudden lava
for 14 damage total
sleek ferry
the sneak is cute and makes it a pseudo embercleave ig
sleek ferry
yeah sure, but it's similar to ninjitsu shenanigans except you're actually killing with this vs kaito controlling the board
golden plover
I think Kaito is the better card tho
twilit canyon
kaito is def better
subtle sierra
kaito is miles better
sudden lava
I wish it was just ninjutsu, but nah they had to make it weaker ninjutsu.
golden plover
All of Kaito's abilities are just so worth it at any point in the game
Does Ninja Turtles have anything that can do an ornithopter impression?
twilit canyon
not true... but kaito is still way stronger
golden plover
Or is Beastbinder still the best pick for that?
twilit canyon
Does Ninja Turtles have anything that can do an ornithopter impression?
oh atp, literally just go kaito even more
subtle sierra
Does Ninja Turtles have anything that can do an ornithopter impression?
we only know the rares and some mythics
idt we know anything else
sleek ferry
Does Ninja Turtles have anything that can do an ornithopter impression?
azorius artifacts probabably gets a big boost in the set tbh
I feel like all the techniques are fringe playable too
sudden lava
we know the rares, mythics, and I think a few commons/uncommons from the reveal stream
golden plover
If we get an ornithopter that'd be cool ig
twilit canyon
biggest killer of this leonardo + sneak spells is the funny point you'l have where you sneak something into a counter and lose on the spot
golden plover
Yeah, sneak being counterable is ROUGH
sleek ferry
wait lol does sneak count as a cast?
subtle sierra
yes
sleek ferry
that's terrible
sudden lava
Most hyped thing from actual reveal season gonna be commons/uncommons cuz we got everything else spoiled in lorewyn 
twilit canyon
it is a cast
lusty trench
It has to for the instants and sorceries iirc
sudden lava
wait lol does sneak count as a cast?
yup, its worst then ninjutsu
subtle sierra
they made it cast cause sneak is on non permanents too
sudden lava
worst ninjutsu, but now it can be on non permanents
twilit canyon
yeah its a cute way to handle it but making it counterable is very funny
subtle sierra
lusty trench
They legit could've just had sneak and ninjutsu in the same set
lusty trench
The prerelease/limited experience is already in hell keyword wise and theyre not that different to the point where it'd be confusing
sleek ferry
what was the green technique again, I remember that reading pretty good
lusty trench
Its CoC iirc
lost widgetBOT
Sorcery
Sneak 
(You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Look at the top eight cards of your library. Put up to two creature cards with total mana value 6 or less from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
lusty trench
Ye sorcery speed CoC that has more value but not and instant speed
Which is probably way worse that CoC
golden plover
The prerelease/limited experience is already in hell keyword wise and theyre not...
This is honestly something I've noticed the more lackluster UB sets have an issue with
There's so many cards with 1-off mechanics that make limited way clunkier
golden plover
Probably because they weren't originally designed for standard, or even to be drafted in the case of spiderman
lusty trench
well sneak cost can be cast at instant speed
During a specific phase on your turn I'm not counting that
golden plover
But like, it gets funky when there's a single Exalted card, a single Ascend card, and like 4 other one-off mechanics for "flavor" sake
sleek ferry
the card technically gets a cub + ouroboid on t3, and that's just scratching the surface with meta decks now
sudden lava
Cant do first strike tricks with sneak, cant sneak after regular damage done, yeah
lusty trench
I think the best technique is probably Leo's? 4 mana grab 2 3 costs or lowers from grave is already decent, for 2 mana weenies have some good token gen to bounce to get it cheaper
Splinters also letting you tutor is good
golden plover
Kitsune's will unironically probably be the one to see the most modern play tbh
Only because an unblocked crab means they mill half their deck t2
sleek ferry
we'll see. I liked most of what I saw from the TMNT set. It's def a better designed set than spiderman
trail anvil
not a high bar to clear lol
sleek ferry
better designed might be the wrong wording
this set has more soul than the spiderman set
which was just soulless
golden plover
For sure. I don't think it looks amazing tbh and feels all over the place, but an attempt was made and the cards are passable
sleek ferry
Why do people even try to play these mono green cub decks, just play landfall at that point
Deck literally loses to everything
trail anvil
this set has more soul than the spiderman set
also not a high bar
sleek ferry
yeah, but a more correct bar
because as we're seeing, spiderman set wasn't exactly a weak set in terms of power level
it was a weak set from a design perspective
trail anvil
I disagree on it not being a weak set power level wise, didn't MKM have more meta relevant cards still?
like there are some but it's just multiversal passage, superior spiderman, the blue green clone dude and the mana dork?
ig the mana rock that exiles from the top too
subtle sierra
i think sandman is powerful it just doesn't have a home
sleek ferry
spidey sense, origin of spider man (a most helpful weaver), gwen, skyward spider, urban retreat as well
tardy echo
Pretty sure even if you’re being very generous it’s still about on par with mkm
lusty trench
Im confused how do you not win here
Ur guy has trample
Or did he not attack u thinking you had an answer?
sleek ferry
He warped the 2nd harmonizer
trail anvil
that harmonizer can't attack yeah
sleek ferry
It doesn’t have haste
trail anvil
just entered this turn
lusty trench
Ahhhh
sleek ferry
That is pretty funny because I also would have rage scooped
lusty trench
Didn't see the summoning sickness effect
trail anvil
just warped and moved to combat in case they would lmao
golden plover
Motherfucker what are you doing scoop
Also that was g2 so they went into g3 with 5 minutes on timer
lusty trench
He really gotta think about this one
Real head scratcher
Give him 10 more minutes in the tank
golden plover
Hmm do I turn my guys sideways or turn my guys sideways
I have no clue how Bant Aggro(?) went to 5 minutes on clock
I don't even know why he played that out by the time I had 4 curiosity down
There wasn't a world they won that unless I somehow drew 5 lands
glad peak
Lgs is having a pauper event and they want to give away a pauper deck
Do I grind out matchups or play trusty UB faerie ninjas
trail anvil
can never go wrong with UB in any format
man temur harmonizer is actually really fun, this might get me back into standard
killing jeskai control through a tishana's tidebinder and a counterspell is so fun
gritty nest
What do you guys think of the tiered pricing secret lair?
lusty trench
What do you guys think of the tiered pricing secret lair?
Its an experiment to see if people will buy the same secret lairs at a higher price if the originally low priced secret lairs sell out
Not much else to think
copper pecan
gritty nest
Someone I spoke to thinks the higher priced versions will have a better bonus card? For some reason
copper pecan
how are we feeling about these frames
lusty trench
Someone I spoke to thinks the higher priced versions will have a better bonus ca...
They advertised it won't
gritty nest
Looks ugly as shit
copper pecan
personally i think they look too busy
lusty trench
So if they do, sued
lusty trench
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1467975549883252799/...
These are awful
gritty nest
They advertised it won't
To quote the loonie
“Yeah bonus cards are never included in descriptions for these though”
lusty trench
Why are they so bright
gritty nest
It’ll be the same bonus card regardless, I already know this myself
golden plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1467975549883252799/...
Wow these look terrible
lusty trench
Its an experiment to see if people will buy the same secret lairs at a higher pr...
Legit they won't print more of the lairs, they'll just reduce the allocation of the original price point and then add an option to buy it at a higher price point should the original sell out
Net negative and if anyone buys the $20 non foil price point or above they get what they want and will do this in future
zinc shard
I wanna see what the mono black frames look like
tardy echo
It’s sort of funny how yuna just straight died without leyline @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
so true!
tardy echo
But I kinda do wanna try it again post lorwyn
Prob a bit of a diff deck now though
Not a bit a lot diff
Yuna is still a strong card and lorwyn has some stuff that is good at enabling what that deck does and fixing its biggest issues
golden plover
I mean also graveyard hate got a lot better
tardy echo
It’s just kind of worse sultai but idk
golden plover
And Yuna is much slower using the graveyard than the good decks
tardy echo
I just wanna play hauntwoods again
golden plover
Yeah, like I dunno why I'd wanna cheat out one dude when I can bringer their whole board
tardy echo
I mean when u stick yuna she still wins the game pretty consistently
tardy echo
It’s just kind of worse sultai but idk
.
I’m under no impression that it’s secretly goated
But lorwyn was a good set for it
Also might consider just playing 5c reanimator w yuna
Or just playing atraxa colors which historically are good idk
golden plover
Did we get any good enchantments for Yuna in Lorwyn?
sleek ferry
@tardy echo just for you https://x.com/saffronolive/status/2018435455813882189?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
X
I am not surprised izzet drinks rum & Red Bull
golden plover
Why do these all use blue Curacao
glad peak
The creator probably just loves AMFs
Can’t blame them, I love it too
Oh the izzet one is just a slightly different shark bite lmao
tardy echo
<@364939622343507988> just for you https://x.com/saffronolive/status/20184354558...
Insane
tardy echo
Did we get any good enchantments for Yuna in Lorwyn?
The affinity for forests card and the damage doubler are both maybe playable
But also Yuna doesn’t really need more enchantments
The deck needed ways to play more often, debrick the huge curve toppers more easily and to have plays before turn 3
trail anvil
what type would you declare on the damage doubler, human?
trail anvil
right it isn't just combat damage
tardy echo
Can you declare saga with it
trail anvil
nope saga isn't a creature type
sudden lava
Can you declare saga with it <:icant:1310294700384714813>
Nope, Saga is an enchantment type not a creature type.
trail anvil
why did you not just respond with the exact same message but ping him too
atomic harness
why did you not just respond with the exact same message but ping him too
Saga is not a creature type oo wee
tardy echo
nope saga isn't a creature type
Sigh wotc oppressing me specifically
zinc shard
Several turn game, just for opponent to ragequit lol
subtle sierra
i don't get ppl
you cast intimidation tactics
you see i'm on control
you cast it again later
just fucking cycle it
golden plover
Yeah we just eat Excruciatiator alive
Just kill the Reefs on sight and let them mill themselves. Or use our reef
subtle sierra
i mean if they do excruciator into enemy reefs that's a skill issue
i'd side them out
steady onyx
hey help cut 4 cards pwetty pwease <3
https://archidekt.com/decks/19502749/control_in_commander
3 cards now cut ephara idk toh
golden plover
i'd side them out
The deck doesn't have a backup win if they do that
golden plover
Nah it does play deceit
But that's too slow into regular Dimir
We don't care about them discarding one when we draw 5 a turn
trail anvil
oof no spidey sense
steady onyx
@sleek ferry @twilit canyon what is bette for standard metagame, somthing like this, or something with sage of the sky, momo, more like azorious fliers?
twilit canyon
im not actively playing standard rn
twilit canyon
limited, timeless, cube mostly
steady onyx
fun fun
i played a lot of cube but im kinda tired of it
but idk im interested in standard post banlist cub ban
and this azorious deck has always interested me
but thugs never showed his list
and now there is a list that did p good at pro tour
11-5 
so seems fun
but curious if like sage of the sky fliers with momo is idk i know they are diff
like thats more aggro this is more control
golden plover
Year 2 in a row with no pioneer
copper pecan
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1467975549883252799/...
after viewing these in the client, i gotta say they look significantly worse in-engine than i initially expected
especially the green and land versions of the frame
the blue version looks alright but the others just look really bad
fallow citrus
wtf is this
fallow citrus
yeah no kidding
zinc shard
damn those lands are beautiful
urban crane
You know that myrimm lair wil go so quickly
glad peak
Shadowheart looks great here
stark skiff
Bloodletter is a good one
lusty trench
Counterspell in the miirym lair what does bro even do
glad peak
I’m so happy that the pretty art is participation and the meh art is prize, I don’t have to spend as much
golden plover
Huh it's crazy [[Song of Creation]] still doesn't have a print with art by anyone else
lost widgetBOT
glad peak
Oh huh I didn’t notice the woman in the art
I thought the she the flavor text referred to was something else
zinc shard
Tumblr
copper pecan
oh shit, mood swings real?
glad peak
haruhi game confirmed?
sudden lava
subtle sierra
The second i sell stock ups there's a chance doc eats it and i have to play control again
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1468392147916165224/...
throacle ban 🤞
glad peak
Titan unban 🤞
glad peak
Why ban the 2 other edh icons? Theyre already not banning sol ring 
Keep the icons and stop making more cards that do what they do but worse
stark skiff
trail anvil
is sapling nursery not a good card in limited? I feel like endless treefolk is worth something
trail anvil
trail anvil
sleek ferry
Extremely satisfying win
He got all the way up to 59 life and I got all the way down to 1
sleek ferry
I’ve come to the conclusion that Aang is the highest skill ceiling card in standard @subtle sierra
subtle sierra
Yeah he's good
sleek ferry
Good start to the day
golden plover
I love bad Excruciatiator players rn. Yeah imma just floodpit your Excruciatiator and swing with reef. Gg
sleek ferry
Every excruciator player on the ladder telegraphs all their plays
And then when you’re ready for it they’re like
lusty trench
X
golden plover
Why Zack
sleek ferry
good card
lusty trench
Why Zack
Game was advertised with more zack
Which it did (30 seconds at the end let's go)
stark skiff
I summon @atomic harness @sleek ferry
stark skiff
what's your monthly salary adam
sleek ferry
I love this deck
golden plover
Designing a cube and fighting the urge to just put 100 Duskmourn cards in here
twilit canyon
true
golden plover
Ouclus and the overlords is definitely in there tho
This is what I've got so far
The idea is power cube but multiple archetypes per color and some funky cards
golden plover
FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT THE DRAFT MATTERS CARDS
Those are cool as fuck and going in there
glad peak
They’re pretty cool but I would be careful with them
There’s only like 2 cards that are worth
past socket
kbity
sleek ferry
It’s funny you posted this, because I was looking at the rare slot in Ixalan, and that set’s rare slot aged marvelously
golden plover
It’s funny you posted this, because I was looking at the rare slot in Ixalan, an...
I mean the set is only like a year old
sleek ferry
It rotates out in 2027
golden plover
Yeah it's relatively recent
tardy echo
Idk the sets 3 years old isn’t it
Tidebinder is a funny one though its been going back and forth and back and forth in standard for over a year now
Almost like the tides…
lusty trench
Idk the sets 3 years old isn’t it
Lost caverns was 3 years ago??? Fuck
tardy echo
Well more like 2.5 I’m pretty sure
lusty trench
Damn I've been outta the game for a while
sudden lava
Got this man for 54 cents today at locals
Got nothing to put him in, but I have one now
golden plover
I just noticed that one of my 4 curiousities is gonna be normal, but the other 3 are borderless smh
sudden lava
that's rough buddy
golden plover
I should just lean into it and play all 4 of Kaito's alt arts
glad peak
Ok minstrel cedh is sick
I’m worse at it then I thought but it might have to do with my mulligans too
Yeah it definitely has to do with my mulligans, often I keep without much other than mill or some lands
trail anvil
Got nothing to put him in, but I have one now
run him as a commander
scrawling crawler for a crazy devil factory
sudden lava
run him as a commander
Would be a bit away, got other decks to finish and sleeve up first
lusty trench
Fuck that's hard
If fixing remains this good you could atraxa as a bomb but it might be too high cost this shit got the 9?
fallow citrus
honestly I'm probably taking pearl
golden plover
Also evidenced by Disa, Boomer Jund is an archetype
sleek ferry
funny, because I'm taking ruby
golden plover
I think Ruby or Pearl is probably the move, yeah
fallow citrus
let me have another look at the list actually
lusty trench
Yeah moxes are just so low commitment while being so strong
fallow citrus
oh are you not playing the iniative guys
golden plover
Fair. I just don't like initiative in 1v1
fallow citrus
I enjoy the mechanic but I mainly like it as a way to make white feel like not a sub colour
golden plover
I mean, I tried to give white a decent bit of tools here
But yeah, a lot of white ends up being support for a theme and not the theme
In this cube Jeskai is Convoke, Naya is Tokens, and Esper is lifegain. None of those are really drastically different stuff but they do all sorta need white
steady onyx
is sapling nursery not a good card in limited? I feel like endless treefolk is w...
i think its good in 2 color green piles
oh jeez
that was a while ago
glad peak
Whats the P1P1
Probably mox Ruby, Red tends to have better usage for acceleration than white and if you’re not in red then it’s still free
sleek ferry
I treat power cube, the same way I treat cedh
What’s the better supporting color? Red by far
trail anvil
I love keeping counterspell tribal players honest omfg
golden plover
Man, Lorwyn has gotta be one of the most mixed limiteds we've had in forever. It's ROUGH
glad peak
It seems mostly fine, removing the rares makes the format so much more fun
sleek ferry
Bought a Lorwyn bundle, pulled 14 rares and mythics including 2 showcases and 1 full art double sided blood crypt
golden plover
You can pull the double sided in the regular packs?
I thought they were collector boosters only
sleek ferry
Nope, you can pull from regular play boosters
The only collector exclusive is the fractured foils
sudden lava
The Hasbro Kpop Demon Hunter collab is in full force, the WOTC side of the deal hasn't been shown yet
atomic harness
Proud of you
urban crane
Picked these up Wednesday
atomic harness
Good job Luca san
golden plover
Looking over Ikoria cards. What is it with the eludha that makes people dress stupid
glad peak
Don’t make fun of them, it’s a lifestyle
vivid hatch
It seems mostly fine, removing the rares makes the format so much more fun
How cracked are the elementals when drafted
Obviously a rare occasion being M and all
But probably among the top end of how egregious things can get
glad peak
depends on which one it is but they're pretty good
not the best but very very good
the format's simultaneously on rails and open at the same time (very often you'll pivot from creature type or mechanic) while being slow but with smaller statlines
elves (any of the green or white creature types for that matter) or vivid is likely the best deck, being able to turn it on fairly easily and also having much bigger creatures than other archetypes but it is also one of the more difficult archetypes to draft so if everyone else is in a lane then you're forced to take a lane
haughty umbra
Hi
sleek ferry
My personal favorite elemental is catharsis
But I do think vibrance will prove itself to be the most powerful one across all formats
It might even be the reason Titan finally gets hit
stark skiff
Ended up getting the new elemental precon. What are some pickups I need for this? I know Animar and Maelstrom.
copper pecan
not the hecken landarinos...
subtle sierra
insel...
glad peak
i just realized i forgot to build my favorite deck in my cedh group lineup
looks like no one will ever know i play it until i bust it out in tournaments
zinc shard
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Creature — Human Bard
Flash
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains harmonize until end of turn. Its harmonize cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its harmonize cost. You may tap a creature you control to reduce that cost by 
, where X is its power. Then exile the spell.)
3/2
subtle sierra
this was already played in at least one list i found
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=79952&d=807742&f=ST this guy really likes it
golden plover
Is Songcrafter worth it? Your best instant or sorcery already has harmonize
sleek ferry
stock up doesn't have harmonize
subtle sierra
yeah harmonizer plays a lot of control tbh
they just have the harmonizer as a punch wincon
golden plover
I was thinking of the regular cub list, forgot which one harmonizer was
tardy echo
Harmonizer is like sort of a fake green deck
Playstyle wise
It’s a weird control thing that pops off w a combo kill on one turn
Not a type of green deck that standard has had for a while
subtle sierra
smartest mono black player
glad peak
Former mono green player tries playing black
sudden lava
tardy echo
We finally did it we found a card that makes more mana than rofellos
twilit canyon
idk
urban crane
when is the cursed format banlist
10 minutes
atomic harness
Jlo-chan...
atomic harness
We should get jeweled lotus back
Holy
atomic harness
We should get jeweled lotus back
world war hulk looks pretty nice for etali-chan, when are we getting tht again
sudden lava
Lutri also is not going to GC
He's fully free to roam as a commander or the 99, there is just a no Lutri companion rule in place
atomic harness
fallow citrus
It's funny that rhystic and thassa's stayed
the amount of copium that they would get hit was amusing
atomic harness
Thank you aerers
glad peak
Yeah this was hyped for close to a year for absolutely nothing
atomic harness
Wow this is such a nothingburger list LOL
so farewell to gc, biorhythm n lutri (sans companion) unbanned thats it?
fallow citrus
yep