Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

I mean the exile is a big upside on NML

But you also have to have white

[tardy echo]

It also gets infinitely worse after you get to like

[lusty trench]

Honestly this is prolly bad

[tardy echo]

Turn 6

[lusty trench]

But its funny

[fallow citrus]

well it scales better

[lusty trench]

My guy gets a deadly disease but he stopped ur spell

[fallow citrus]

I think it's fine in a world in where you play 3 steps

it's just more copies of it

[lusty trench]

Isn't three steps good because its multi purpose and not because its cancel

[tardy echo]

80% of the time you just use it for the Counterspell

And this one is probably going to be cancel less often than actual counterspell

[lusty trench]

Fair enough

Didn't know the standard counterspell game was so weak rn

[tardy echo]

Well spell snare just got printed in this set

But aside from that

[golden plover]

I mean, there also a lot of times where you play it late game to counter and draw

[tardy echo]

It’s all quenches

[fallow citrus]

has it ever not been lol

[golden plover]

They don't like printing hard counters anymore

They've outright said they feel bad

[tardy echo]

I mean I understand from a game feel perspective

I think the real solution to this to allow maximal interaction on both sides is to reprint force spike

[golden plover]

Nah I get it, but I think that they're a necessary "evil"

Not everything can feel good for both players

[tardy echo]

I think quenches are fine enough but I think they should probably just be better cards

[lusty trench]

Last time I actually paid attention to standard was like

War

Not brothers war

War

[fallow citrus]

The issue is they're feelbads for the opp when they get countered

[golden plover]

But letting stuff resolve also feels bad

[fallow citrus]

and then they're feelbads for the counter player bc you're overpaying for them or playing a quench they can pay for

[lusty trench]

Nothings quenchier

[golden plover]

Not everyone can have an equal amount of fun

I think we should get more hard counters but we don't need counterspell in standard

[fallow citrus]

I think we should get mental misstep

[golden plover]

I want fatal push

[golden plover]

Nice reprint

[tardy echo]

Why did I think this card was colorless the whole time

[lusty trench]

____less
turns black with yellow eyes

Close enough welcome to magic kingdom hearts

[tardy echo]

Also I feel as if I misunderstood the whole point of the lorwyn power shift

Shadowmoor is still just horrible? And lorwyn is still just Disneyland? But now the elves aren’t even super evil anymore?

Am I missing something

[copper pecan]

the shadowmoor elves were never evil

[tardy echo]

The elves aren’t but everybody else in shadowmoor is

And now the elves are marginally less evil in lorwyn

That’s what I meant

[glad peak]

Actually yeah what even is the conflict here

[tardy echo]

I thought they like got rid of oona and ended the eclipse but it feels like the status quo shifted maybe like a whole 2 inches

[copper pecan]

the status quo has shifted a lot

[tardy echo]

In what sense

[copper pecan]

in the past the whole plane was either lorwyn or shadowmoor, but now it's both at once

different parts are lorwyn and different parts are shadowmoor and they can interact now

[tardy echo]

Seeing…

But is the actual status of the 2 any different?

[copper pecan]

yes

there are huge portions of the plane that the lorwyners need to avoid because shadowmoor is there

[zinc shard]

The counterspell with set mechanic

[tardy echo]

Cool card

[gritty nest]

Who?

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1458936967109808405/RDT_20260108_2134256028738231806267272.jpg?ex=6961746e&is=696022ee&hm=0640d8b7da659e7346a1ef94b3b6b2acfcfdea914c5661257c9b22ed267e08fc&=&format=webp&width=628&height=930

wow fuck badgermole cub

[subtle sierra]

i just posted it

[golden plover]

Hell yeah

Kinda wish that was an instant tho

[sleek ferry]

No more lies is right there

[golden plover]

No more lies is also a quench variant

[sleek ferry]

Big difference between paying 2 or 3

Sometimes I just play no more lies just so they tap out

[tardy echo]

My bad mana leak

[sleek ferry]

Pack 1 Pick 1

Orcish Bowmasters

Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer

Tinker

Minsc and Boo, Timeless Heroes

What would you guys pick

[glad peak]

depends, is there power in the draft?

[tardy echo]

Either ragavan or m&b

Actually no either ragavan or obm

[glad peak]

with power: m&b, without power: raggy

[twilit canyon]

obm and tinker are more or less never picks

[tardy echo]

Is obm really not good in draft

[twilit canyon]

ehhh

not p1p1 good

there will be many spots where at best? its a 2 mana removal spell

from x/1s -> x/3s

[tardy echo]

I guess yeah

M&B pick feels like it needs a lot to be really good though

Maybe it’s just always ragavan

[lusty trench]

Nice board wipe assface, everyone to the smugglers copter

[lusty trench]

ayo hang on this design kinda fire

[glad peak]

m&b is very good in 1v1, just need any ramp and he takes over the game

raggyman does keep you open and is pretty good on his own too though

[lusty trench]

Minsc and boo is just a board check, can they get past boo? Card is bad, if they cant? Card is batshit insane.

Not sure if id pack 1 pick 1 it

[glad peak]

get him out turns 1-3 and it's game over

[lusty trench]

Ragavan is just so much value

Dream world would be i take both

Tinker and obm are just not pack 1 pick 1

Very very good cards just dont have the value rag does

[glad peak]

but yeah if i'm being a responsible drafter i'd take rag

[sudden lava]

Tam

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/c/a/ca89fb7a-5575-4875-80d3-6a05f78ea65e.jpg?1767872872

[lusty trench]

Bit old no?

And also I thought Gorgon's and humans couldn't produce offspring

[copper pecan]

we know jace is rewriting reality based on the ending of the story having white liliana show up

so this could be him retroactively making this happen

[sudden lava]

White Liliana showed up, anything possible for reality fracture

[lusty trench]

Jace retroactively implanting memories of childbirth in vraska

Evil

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/go-to-sleep-tik-tok-tiktok-goo-goo-gaga-time-for-you-andy-arthur-smith-gif-4632342918520500047

[stark skiff]

Delney salivating

[fallow citrus]

are goblins real in standard now with lorwyn

[sleek ferry]

I got mythic with them pre Lorwyn, I’m going to optimistically say probably

[trail anvil]

hot damn that's a lot of value in a 1 drop

[atomic harness]

Thank you kommers

[subtle sierra]

Wait i just realized we're only getting 5 elemental incarnations this set 😭

Rip azorius incarnation

[tardy echo]

The rest are prob in strixhaven

[atomic harness]

@glad peak @fallow citrus @twilit canyon is the talon gates oboro cradle line only used by thrasios decks? Idr if kinnan is on it

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1459216606218555482/image.png?ex=696278dd&is=6961275d&hm=c8a2e0528022723936279b47c296a42308c50e38a7c26821e57a9afcaf78d5c4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=666&height=930

get noggled, idiot

[twilit canyon]

p sure kinnan can but it isnt worth cus of lacking tutora

[atomic harness]

Thank you fauwisty

[tardy echo]

This set just has some very good names

[glad peak]

I swear, the more I look into even the most fringe/outdated lists/combos of amulet titan the deck is just ddd

Hardest deck in the game my ass

[subtle sierra]

Aaand we now know all the cards

[sudden lava]

thirst for knowledge but creature

[fallow citrus]

oh those are being slurped straight into elemental slop

[tardy echo]

Thirst…

[stark skiff]

some neat tokens

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866426200846630963/1459298228724826193/image.png?ex=6962c4e2&is=69617362&hm=eb1776eacffee1022fe9ec0d5c477a0ae536d56581b246d233fa81a4e5ccd14f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=879&height=609

[stark skiff]

which one of you rich folk did this

[subtle sierra]

you

[sudden lava]

New Lorwyn commander party rules looks fun

[glad peak]

wait what happens if you blight without creatures

[copper pecan]

you can't

[glad peak]

for most of the cards that's not a problem because blight is a cost but i mean for stuff like this:

feels weird

i know the answer is that nothing happens but it's funny to think the game rolls back and makes the trigger moot

[copper pecan]

oh then nothing happens

[stark skiff]

Some choco foils and a good boi @atomic harness

[atomic harness]

Good job son

I miss you

[sudden lava]

you just, dont put counters on anything

[copper pecan]

do people still run the behold removal spells from dragonstorm in standard? i wonder if [[nameless inversion]] will see play since it counts as a dragon for those

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/113/nameless-inversion

Nameless Inversion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Kindred Instant — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
Target creature gets +3/-3 and loses all creature types until end of turn.
Eclipsed realms are the spaces between Lorwyn's stability and Shadowmoor's chaos—raw and undefined boundaries where the plane naturally corrects imbalances in power and influence.

[glad peak]

3 ally color pairs, 2 enemy color pairs

damn

historically not a great thing to have but who knows, maybe this experiment will work this time

[tardy echo]

Dispelling exhale sometimes

The black one much more infrequently

I think decks already playing those cards might slot inversion in but not sure if decks that weren’t would include both

[sleek ferry]

The draft archetypes are pretty much what I expected tbh

[tardy echo]

I think the elves in this set are actually really cool

Now put priest in standard

But unironically the elf champion is sick as fuck

[sleek ferry]

I haven’t seen a cool elf yet

All the cool cards are goblins or kithkins

Also don’t ask me why autocorrect tried changing kithkins to Lithuanians

[tardy echo]

You’re a hater

I’ll let you become my waiter

[sleek ferry]

You are my bartender already

So joke’s on you

[tardy echo]

I just wish they put like a good untapper in there somewhere

The wc card is pretty lit but it costs 1 so it’s hard to be mana positive

[tardy echo]

@twilit canyon have u seen the stompy deck that’s been doing numbers

Maybe badgermole is good after all…

[twilit canyon]

i havet much no

[trail anvil]

it's not the simic pile?

[subtle sierra]

The color combo that happens to run the most is dimir

So i can see then slotting in

Not that dimir dragons top

[tardy echo]

No it’s basically mono green

[subtle sierra]

It does clash slightly with the black exhale

[tardy echo]

But with like the green white verge and then it sideboards some random removal stuff

[subtle sierra]

They're both 2 mana removals

[subtle sierra]

White also has the best floodgates

So if you wanna slot them in selesnya is the way

[tardy echo]

Idt it really does that regardless

Pretty sure that deck is trying to kill on 3/4 not drop a doorkeeper

[subtle sierra]

I see one list on 2 conqueror, one on 2 rip

It's not frequent but it's there

It's mostly removal

Lantern most popular side

We truly are in gy format

[glad peak]

If we were then we’d be main decking

[subtle sierra]

Anyway I'm trying 2 metalbending tomorrow at store champ

Artifact removal that protects a combo piece sounds good

[trail anvil]

oh wow it runs mightform harmonizer too?

I didn't think that this card would be standard playable

[subtle sierra]

mightform and worldwagon are crazy

but it seems now lists are on ascension

[trail anvil]

ascension seems like a big ol pile of value

ramp, body that floats and its effect with enough counters just finishes games with your enormous creatures

[subtle sierra]

yeah but worldwagon into mightform ends the game on turn 4

[zinc shard]

unfinity planet lands are on sale today

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fanfinity_mtg/status/2009962095950098784?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

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X · Jan 10, 2026, 12:14 PM

[subtle sierra]

I was sent this list

I wanna ask what moron made this

[glad peak]

Me

I’m the moron

[subtle sierra]

This is craterhoof combo where ouroboroid is better

Then we have the aurlock shit

Which isn't consistent without rhythym

But you use rhythym to get to craterhoof so like what

This deck has 0 cohesion

[golden plover]

Why'd they only list half the limited themes?

There's another half that's not tribal

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/2009820574088900994?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes)

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Calvin Howe - Dimir Midrange 🥷

X · Jan 10, 2026, 2:52 AM

[subtle sierra]

ok that explains the bant list

holy shit

84 players; single elimination

[glad peak]

[[necrogoyf]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/93/necrogoyf

Necrogoyf <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Lhurgoyf
Necrogoyf's power is equal to the number of creature cards in all graveyards.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
*/4

[glad peak]

I keep mistaking this guy with the other guy

I ordered 4 of these guys on accident and thought I had a good deal

[trail anvil]

oof

[glad peak]

So I have… 9 necrogoyfs now?

[sudden lava]

Got 11 of these at locals today thanks to a friend 💖

(got the one from strix, ignore the set id )

[past socket]

Good shit pestie

[tardy echo]

Is there really no w/b command in this set

[copper pecan]

iirc wotc said they're trying to cut down on the number of legends in in-universe sets because people were complaining about there being too many

[fallow citrus]

dont see what that has to do with commands

[copper pecan]

sorry i thought you said commanders

[fallow citrus]

[golden plover]

Commands were only for the original Lorwyn tribes

Lorwyn doesn't have a White/Black tribe. Treefolk are the closest but they're in Abzan

[glad peak]

They should reduce the amount of legends in the UB sets

[golden plover]

True

But what if my favorite obscure character in the show doesn't get a card

[gritty nest]

sold more magic stuff today, got about $100 for it

[tardy echo]

Grrrrrr I want eirdus command

I guess thematically it doesn’t work anyways because eirdus flip is just a different guy

But still feelsbad idk

[sleek ferry]

@tardy echo https://www.youtube.com/live/mjiydEZWIJk?si=BK8K0Eiu3_TyO11f

Simic vs mono green landfall in top 8

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/playmtg/status/2010350618913714617?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

PlayMTG (@PlayMTG)

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X · Jan 11, 2026, 1:58 PM

Meta looking pretty healthy

[tardy echo]

60% wr monkaS

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fanfinity_mtg/status/2010429808862208409?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

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X · Jan 11, 2026, 7:13 PM

[copper pecan]

it sucks that [[conch horn]] is on the reserve list

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fem/83/conch-horn

Conch Horn <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw two cards, then put a card from your hand on top of your library.
Even the most skilled of modern mages only partially understand the Conch Horn's awesome powers.

[copper pecan]

it would be fun in limited

[past socket]

My favourite obscure reserve list card is honestly [[Ritual of the Machine]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/109/ritual-of-the-machine

Ritual of the Machine <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Gain control of target nonartifact, nonblack creature.
"Rumors persist of dark deeds performed in the depths of Soldev. When will Dagsson heed the danger therein?" —Sorine Relicbane, Soldevi heretic

[glad peak]

oh hey conch horn

i remember someone made a cube with that being the main focus, like the ornithopters cube

a friend of a cube content creator, can't remember who

[tardy echo]

I like artifacts that draw >1 card

Cantrip artifacts just feel so boring

[copper pecan]

i know, i'm friends with that guy which is how i found out about this card

[glad peak]

wait huh?

[copper pecan]

https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/conch

if you're talking about this cube i know the guy who made it

[glad peak]

maybe not, i remember it was specifically 100 conchs

so there's like 10 cards i want to test in tayam cedh but i don't think i'll be able to get it ready for a local tournament in time, time to just do minstrel turbo

[zinc shard]

fuck it we ball

[sleek ferry]

@subtle sierra https://x.com/playmtg/status/2010506112768852115?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

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X · Jan 12, 2026, 12:16 AM

[subtle sierra]

[sleek ferry]

Sigh I hate twitter

[subtle sierra]

ew

dork build

i should try web watch tho

[urban crane]

should i pick up a force of negation

[sleek ferry]

I like web watch a lot

[atomic harness]

[[web watch]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “web watch”, can you be more specific?

[sleek ferry]

[[interdimensional web watch]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/165/interdimensional-web-watch

Interdimensional Web Watch <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast spells from exile.
The device crackled to life, the portal opened, and Gwen's allies across the Great Web poured forth.

[vivid hatch]

mailday

[zinc shard]

Devoted Druid and Painter Servant prebanned in Historic

[fallow citrus]

wotc just hate fun

[glad peak]

Huh why Druid

It’s a good card but not busted lol

[golden plover]

God they just hate historic, huh?

[golden plover]

Lmao just read the ban reason. It's because you can't shortcut the combos

Literally not even a power level thing

[glad peak]

Bruh that’s it?

[golden plover]

Honestly, is painters combo too good for historic?

I can't see it

[twilit canyon]

painter is way too pre-emptive for historic yeah

druid i kind of get

there are plenty of good decks it'd slot into and/or your devoted combo could slot into that exist already so no need to feed them

[golden plover]

I mean, surely the solution for druid is to work on a way for infinite combos to have a set cut-off yeah?

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPKvyyoj2So

Reminds me of Jeff Leonard

[copper pecan]

tbf i don't think anyone would use it for anything actually fun, so there isn't much of a reason to keep it around

[fallow citrus]

I don't want to sound like one of those people but

why does that matter

also painter is like a very established legacy combo deck

it's far from the least fun thing you can be doing, it's not like urza winter orb or smth

[twilit canyon]

i think they just dont want these decks to be stronger than they are

[twilit canyon]

agree with aeri idt it matters much. painter is far from bad with the current limits to historic and it'd be decently fun to see. plus, their current philosophy with historic would indicate that painter would be left legal

[sleek ferry]

Historic and alchemy also seems like formats wizards wants to shape differently imo

Which is probably a good thing for their audience

[twilit canyon]

which is fine but they are extremely inconsistent about it

ie: spreading seas banned but cleansing wildfire and other land hate of that nature banned

painter banned but we have more toxic reanim combos available

[tardy echo]

People don’t play anything actually fun in historic to begin with

Druid ban is actually just bizarre though

[twilit canyon]

timeless painter will be fun however, even if its bad

[atomic harness]

https://youtu.be/wSUyEYH10qc?si=r27WLRTG6glEry4I subtlety not washed?! @twilit canyon

this winning modern challenge list was maining 4

[twilit canyon]

it hasnt been for a bit

better than solitude in some spots

[atomic harness]

He said it's good for example like youre on the draw and opponent goes t2 ajani you subtlety it

[twilit canyon]

yeah theres a lot that subtlety beats decently rn thanks to being able to make that a bad draw or a permanent counter by having them bottom the creature

[glad peak]

Subtlety’s great, one of the only real clean answers to a cavern’d Titan

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamers

[tardy echo]

Kydele is so cool @atomic harness

[atomic harness]

Link me son

[tardy echo]

[[kydele chosen of kruphix]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/35/kydele-chosen-of-kruphix

Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Add for each card you've drawn this turn.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
She bears the greatest burden of all: that of knowing.
2/3

[glad peak]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[glad peak]

Someone convince me not to play turbo minstrel in this cedh tournament a few weeks out

Deck’s sick but damn I’m going to time every round

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xupnwElKm7o

[sudden lava]

https://tcgplayer-cdn.tcgplayer.com/product/517889_in_1000x1000.jpg

Truly a battle of wits

[merry owl]

Game changer alert

[glad peak]

Oh they released 6?

Time to read

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/kooterboi420/status/2011161071864918370?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Linden Koot (@kooterboi420)

With Lorwyn around the corner this where I'm starting with my Dimir Bounce pile. Spell snare is really exciting and having access to it and the hex to help more vs the mole decks I think will push this deck even more into a great position vs the format. SB guide coming soon.

X · Jan 13, 2026, 7:38 PM

[[flitterwing nuisance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/48/flitterwing-nuisance

Flitterwing Nuisance <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
This creature enters with a -1/-1 counter on it.
, Remove a counter from this creature: Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker this turn, draw a card.
2/2

[glad peak]

How is it that literally no one in my area has slickshots

I’m gonna loan prowess to someone else so I 4 more for my deck and nothing

[copper pecan]

you ever get someone with a combat trick and they immediately scoop

[lusty trench]

Its amazing how fast some people scoop when the board state flips to their disadvantage

Especially in limited

Mf you made the deck, you know what cards you have, if you didnt plan on being stopped thats on you

[copper pecan]

it's crazy seeing them scoop to that in limited when there's actually something to lose

[glad peak]

ok i have a cedh theory

time to play oops in cedh

the theory is that people will go more all in on turbo and creature removal and remove some counterspells

[atomic harness]

Looks good

[atomic harness]

People are definitely moving towards turbo little one

[glad peak]

Rogrey here I come

Or do I play ikra to sandbag a worse commander

[sudden lava]

Strixhaven Precon leaks happened

we dont know if real, but they looks pretty legit

[sleek ferry]

4 different ones I would assume yeah?

[sudden lava]

specifically the printing sheets for prismari, including 2 new cards (neither are a commander) were leaked

[sudden lava]

No, Strixhaven is gonna have 5

golgari, izzet, boros, simic, and orzhov
In order of the color pairings above, witherbloom, prismari, lorehold, quandrix, and silverquill

[sleek ferry]

gotcha, definitely getting witherbloom again

[glad peak]

Post leak

[sudden lava]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGRumors/comments/1qcsa1e/secrets_of_strixhaven_printing_pages/||

[golden plover]

Just got hit with a waterbent secret of bloodbending??? They still lost lol

People should scoop from losing positions more often

[glad peak]

Tbh yes

If you have no outs then there’s no reason to continue

Yes, even in competitive play

[golden plover]

Yeah, if I know I'm not gonna win it I just take the L and scoop

[glad peak]

Unless you have no time limit, since time limit might be a factor

[golden plover]

Sure it's whatever if there's a 1/60 chance you draw your super perfect out

But like, if you don't draw it go GG and move on

[glad peak]

I’ve been blocked by network security

[golden plover]

They literally spent the whole timer tapping down my board (except the guys who would've killed them if they swung) and then just did nothing else

Like bro, press the concede button

[sudden lava]

reddit not working?

[glad peak]

I found it in another way, working now

[subtle sierra]

work pc i assume

[glad peak]

Nope my phone

[subtle sierra]

oh wow

[glad peak]

Yeah the Reddit guy popped up saying it was a network block

So them bastards blocked my phone

[golden plover]

Would it work on data lol?

[glad peak]

I tried lol

[golden plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/1qcemon/bottom_5_scoring_submissions_of_the_week_from/

Holy shit this week's bottom 5 is amazing

https://preview.redd.it/lypidsw3nrcg1.png?auto=webp&s=aa43941cb92074639b34da34928c9b5491ef1057

This is ridiculous. I kinda love it?

Apparently the creator's intent is just "name a 2 card combo"

What if thoracle consult was in the command zone and won every game t1

[hidden ermine]

Wait

I figured it would require you to name a card you exiled

This just lets you go through every ritual??

[golden plover]

Yup

That was the creator's intent too

Although it's never doing that lol

You just play a bunch of 0 drops, declare LED, declare thoracle, declare consult

[fallow citrus]

well it can't do that because it's not got black in the colour identity

so you'd have to thoracle in mono blue

[hidden ermine]

It doesnt need to, youre not restricted to your colours since its just creating them out of thin air

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah you don't need to actually be able to play the card

You just have to know the name of the card

[hidden ermine]

It even lets you cheat mana lmao

Well

Ignore mana colour rather

[zinc shard]

I don't get why this card's on the list, like it doesnt seem offensively bad?

[glad peak]

Holy abilities

I wouldn’t put it past them to print this though

[sudden lava]

You doing a bit too much

[glad peak]

Yeah but this is commander design

Very much in the ballpark of what they want

[copper pecan]

it's way too complicated for what it does

like, why does this need charge counters if the only thing it uses them for is to put +1/+1 counters on him?

just have it get +1/+1 counters when it damages an opponent instead of giving it charge counters and then immeidately removing the counters in order to place another kind of counter on him

[glad peak]

Because charge counter synergy duh

And you can proliferate both +1/+1 counters and charge counters on him

It’s just 3 keywords and 1 activated ability and 1 trigger, fully in line

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/r-Apv-KMm5o?si=DWJxClD62IoBD8Bx

I’ve seen some sealed gameplay of this and it doesn’t seem as exciting as avatar

But we’ll see on Friday

[glad peak]

Hopefully it’s more fun than atla, that format was bombs.dek

[tardy echo]

Babe wake up new unset card just dropped

[tardy echo]

I wish there were more funky color fairies

I’m tired of u/b grandpa

[trail anvil]

[[ivy, gleeful spellthief]] like her?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief

Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
Whenever a player casts a spell that targets only a single creature other than Ivy, you may copy that spell. The copy targets Ivy. (A copy of an Aura spell becomes a token.)
2/1

[glad peak]

limitation: we shouldn't have a 5c faerie with keyword soup that gives faeries keywords

[sleek ferry]

This card was cancer

I hate you for reminding me this existed

I think I also vsed it the one time I queued up for brawl

[trail anvil]

oof

[stark skiff]

Big raised foil Dino and some secret lair pickups

[glad peak]

welp i spent 30 minutes on my rog thras turn 3 win

i'm gonna be the reason why this event goes overtime

[tardy echo]

I was specifically thinking green yeah

I feel green also just makes sense for faeries flavor wise

Not design wise but

[tropic cape]

i am SOO close to getting a raised foil vault tyrant, if i didnt blow 500 dollars on sumo cards importing from japan id have it right now

[tropic cape]

also kinda want that commodore 64 ultimate, and there would go another 400, vaultborn never stood a chance

[golden plover]

Lessons feels so feast or famine to play against. It either does nothing or has all the tools all the time and there's nothing I can do against it

Honestly this whole standard feels like that rn

Everything either wins on 4 or loses on it and you're largely ignoring each others gameplan

I think I just miss midrange

[atomic harness]

Sigh back in my day we would cast sheoldred the apocalypse and be happy with it

Word me @tardy echo @trail anvil

[golden plover]

I miss her

[tardy echo]

Mother… come back…

[sleek ferry]

Sheoldred was a disgusting card before we got the proper removal for it

[tardy echo]

I don’t care, I was the one playing it

[glad peak]

Sheoldred was the time when people realized they don’t actually like midrange, just the idea of it

Tale as old as time

[sleek ferry]

Doing 5 damage was just unrealistic during the first year of sheoldred

Nowadays sheoldred has like a million answers

[subtle sierra]

is anything relevant meta wise come out in lorwyn for standard? besides requiting hex and shocks

[golden plover]

I just want midrange back

And sheoldred would do that

[glad peak]

There’s Abi, she might do a thing

[subtle sierra]

Abigale?

Ig a 7/7 turn 2 is cute

[glad peak]

Which card is the 7/7

[subtle sierra]

[[moonshadow]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/110/moonshadow

Moonshadow <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Elemental
Menace
This creature enters with six -1/-1 counters on it.
Whenever one or more permanent cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere while this creature has a -1/-1 counter on it, remove a -1/-1 counter from this creature.
7/7

[tardy echo]

There’s a bunch of cards that help decks that already exist

But probably not anything to create new decks in the same way avatar did

[subtle sierra]

Oh wait this doesn't remove counters

I'm stupid

[subtle sierra]

😭

Idk if i complete bant with shocks or make something else altogether

[tardy echo]

Some copers believe faeries will be playable

I do not.

The eldraine faeries are just not very good cards

[glad peak]

Faeries have some decent tools but only the famous reason why they were good, not the real reasons

[tardy echo]

The real reasons being thoughtseize and spellstutter sprite

[glad peak]

People think bitterblossom is the only reason why faeries were good the first time around, it’s not

[tardy echo]

There’s a weird ratchet faerie exclusive thoughtseize but it’s also just not a very good card

[golden plover]

You can use her with [[Ancient One]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/222/the-ancient-one

The Ancient One <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Spirit God
Descend 8 — The Ancient One can't attack or block unless there are eight or more permanent cards in your graveyard.
: Draw a card, then discard a card. When you discard a card this way, target player mills cards equal to its mana value.
8/8

[golden plover]

T3 8/8 flying first strike lifelink

[glad peak]

I wish we got a spellstutter that’s a mana leak instead of a snare

[tardy echo]

Wdym

Oh nvm

They printed that on an instant

[glad peak]

Yeah but no body

[tardy echo]

Well they did that for a reason

[glad peak]

It wouldn’t be overpowered

[tardy echo]

All the budget for good cards in woe had to go to beans

[glad peak]

Damn green taking all our budget yet again

[tardy echo]

Well to compensate they didn’t give green good cards for like a year afterwards

[glad peak]

Fully deserved

[tardy echo]

Green is the best color in mtg you’re just jealous

[glad peak]

I’m jealous of all the handholding wotc does for it, yes

I want my hand to be held and for me to be cradled like green players do

[golden plover]

They should just make the green deck build itself for you now too

Landfall already plays itself

Oh wow your guys get bigger when you play lands

[tardy echo]

You know how to do that

Reprint natural order

Reprint sotf

Reprint fauna shaman

gg

[glad peak]

Nah those cards require too much thinking

Just print more of decent/overstatted cards that also get bigger and gain advantage on landfall

[golden plover]

Nah that's too complicated. What they need to do is put a number in the corner of each mono-green card

That way you can construct your deck by putting #1-60 together

[glad peak]

Yeah, those cards are much too hard for the best green players

Theyre abused by people who decide to just splash green tho

[golden plover]

Tbh it really does feel like wotc has dumbed down green's identity a lot

But honestly, it's probably the whole mobile client thing?

They want games to be played on arena, and want you to be able to do that during your lunch break, so we get way more super easy to pilot simple aggro decks

[tardy echo]

Did historic actually just ban all the free mh cards @twilit canyon

[golden plover]

Landfall definitely feels like that's the design process there

[golden plover]

Haven't they been banned forever?

[tardy echo]

I knew they banned endurance but I just realized fov was banned too

[golden plover]

Iirc historic prebans 0 cost cards

[tardy echo]

No like I just didn’t realize that literally all of them

[twilit canyon]

eah

yeah

all free spells

[tardy echo]

I don’t play that shit ass format dog

That’s kind of an unwise decision imo

[golden plover]

I mean they banned devoted druid and painter's servant too lol

[tardy echo]

Esp when cards like endurance almost exclusively help to stop people from actually doing incredibly unfair things

[golden plover]

The mind of a historic format curator is an enigma

[tardy echo]

I think they spent a while being very afraid of giving green good ramp again

There was a very dry spell for a while

[golden plover]

Yeah they kinda swing to one extreme or the other in standard tbh

So now we're all in on ramp

And red is all in on hosers?

[glad peak]

Yeah, red being all in on hosers is kinda weird

[tardy echo]

But also whenever they make green good people just unabashedly hate it

And then when it’s bad they go wow wotc hates green so much it’s unfair etc

[glad peak]

I don’t mind it since red’s thing is hard to do without oversaturating but eh

[sleek ferry]

A lot tbh

[golden plover]

Actually, when was the last time green was good in standard?

[tardy echo]

And forgot the sheer vitriol people had for beans

[golden plover]

It's kinda been forever lol

[glad peak]

Wotc should hate green at all

[tardy echo]

Overlords

[golden plover]

Not counting stuff like the overlord

[tardy echo]

Why would you not count domain

[golden plover]

I guess the current Simic deck is primary green?

[tardy echo]

That deck died after they banned beans

[golden plover]

Domain Overlords was hardly green

[tardy echo]

That was 80% of the reason people played it

[golden plover]

They just played it for beans and the fixing tbh

[tardy echo]

And beans was why you played the deck

[sleek ferry]

Beans and green overlord were legitly what made the deck lol

[golden plover]

Yeah for sure but they ran like 3 green cards

[tardy echo]

That’s still only being good because of green

[golden plover]

True, guess it counts

[tardy echo]

People tried playing that deck without beans (and with little/no green splash) and it was dogshit

[golden plover]

Before that I can't think of a time green was as good tho

[tardy echo]

Before that is out of my scope of knowledge

[golden plover]

I don't mind the hosers usually but that goblin is fucking gross

[tardy echo]

The last time I remember green being actually like best color contender was throne of eldraine

But again there’s like a 3/4 year gap in my knowledge

[golden plover]

We're in one of the least interactive standards in a while rn so I don't think they're crossing a line yet, but they're so overtuned

[tardy echo]

What if we put questing beast back in standard

Surely this time it’ll be okay

[sleek ferry]

Gruul aggro was a deck

[golden plover]

Honestly? I don't think it crosses a line rn lol

Simic would play 1

Landfall MIGHT play 2

[tardy echo]

Stompy was an actual deck before avatar

[golden plover]

Stompy is real rn

But it's Simic stompy

[tardy echo]

I mean mono green

[golden plover]

Oh it's still around

[tardy echo]

Like playing the 2/3/2 from eoe and shit

[golden plover]

It's just worse than simic

[tardy echo]

It’s like sort of fake now

[golden plover]

And loses to lessons t0

People play it on ladder

But they lose

[tardy echo]

But it was actual real deck when mono red was killing everybody

People play anything on ladder

Also has anyone else ever thought it’s weird that green and red just have special fun names for aggro decks that none of the other colors do

Actually I guess white is weenie

But u/b just get… aggro

[golden plover]

We need ones for black and blue

I guess that's kinda aristocrats?

[tardy echo]

Aristocrats is kinda different idk

[golden plover]

Not exactly the same thing yeah

But it's typically the closest they get

[tardy echo]

I would say that’s a midrange deck anyways and also it’s orzhov half the time

People call mono green without any tramplers or anything stompy

And I guess mono blue doesn’t really get aggro decks anyways

[golden plover]

Fliers or merfolk sometimes

[sleek ferry]

Hex is such a good addition to the meta tbh

Goblins got some legs because they still got the old good goblins + the good ones coming in letting them splash black

[subtle sierra]

as much as i love hex my aurlocks and bramble will fucking die

[sleek ferry]

We needed a good 1 mana removal since cut down left

https://x.com/karsten_frank/status/2011842167057060080?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Frank Karsten (@karsten_frank)

Here's the Standard metagame and winrate matrix from the Magic Spotlight: The Avatar, combining both the events in Lyon and Atlanta!

X · Jan 15, 2026, 4:45 PM

Interesting that Simic beats both landfall decks but the landfall decks are better into Simic’s bad matchups

[golden plover]

Damn, Dimir is struggling hard rn

Only one list it's got over 50% against

[sleek ferry]

Overall pretty healthy meta, I’m curious to see what brews people come up with post Lorwyn

There’s almost no reason for us not to dwell into 3 colors

[golden plover]

I do think the sheer deck variety is healthy yeah, but I have some issues with gameplay rn

Every deck just feels like it's looking for a win on 4 and not interacting

Healthy, but doesn't really feel like there's a lot of back and forth going on

[sleek ferry]

Wdym, Lessons interact, it’s just the different variants of green decks that don’t

Which makes sense. Green’s never cared about anything but advancing its own strat

[golden plover]

Yeah I guess it's moreso how much of the meta is green

Lessons is pretty interactive but even there it feels like you have to stop them before they get the board online

Once they've got a few monuments or whatever there's nothing to stop them

[golden plover]

Oh that Lucy art is...

Not very flattering

[glad peak]

Mr. Robot, is that you?

[sudden lava]

Doggos

[golden plover]

Oh my God you're right. She does kinda look like Rami Malek there

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461456035318468722/image.png?ex=696a9e7f&is=69694cff&hm=47d05a31d8406370a59b4a31d11c28c14a1750a1617cd7d30c6e1716e6a5fbcb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=509&height=803

[zinc shard]

$10 reprint, not bad

[golden plover]

Oh full superdrop

Also... Show spoiler???

[zinc shard]

"Hey, Nice Marit Lage. Ima make one too"

so

Mesmeric Orb - $20
Mindcrank - $10
Yoshimaru -$9
Patchwork Banner -$5
Caged Sun - $4
Isshin - $3

Plus 3 new cards

[golden plover]

It might be two lairs minimum

Almost certainly is actually

Considering it's a superdrop

Weird that The Ghoul, Lucy, and presumably Maximus don't have partner

They don't

[past socket]

KUNA-MAN!

I imagine a lot of folks would kill for Joshua Graham Isshin given how much of a fan favourite he is

[zinc shard]

Also it says in the article this can be bought on Amazon

[tropic cape]

this will be decent support for my upgraded mothman dck

[tardy echo]

Wow other is broken…

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-rad-superdrop

[golden plover]

Fucked up they made Matthew Perry a skeleton

[past socket]

So that’s what happens when you choose to crucify Benny!

[lusty trench]

Joshua Graham
Worst people you know making their second deck (other than 40k)

[tardy echo]

Well checks out that isshin is the one who gets reskinned as the evil guy

[zinc shard]

I might have to pick up the New Vegas lair

[sudden lava]

Ah nice new mothman art

[past socket]

Oh right forgot Joshua is the idolise him and you miss the point crowd

[copper pecan]

watching some gameplay of lorwyn on arena and i really like how the board dynamically changes based on how much life you have

the visual effect is really cool

also [[aurora awakener]] is crazy if you open leyline

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/165/aurora-awakener

Aurora Awakener <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Giant Druid
Trample
Vivid — When this creature enters, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal X permanent cards, where X is the number of colors among permanents you control. Put any number of those permanent cards onto the battlefield, then put the rest of the revealed cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.
7/7

[glad peak]

Would you consider [[gilt-leaf archdruid]] to be mass land denial? I’m not destroying your lands, theyre just going under new management

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mor/124/gilt-leaf-archdruid

Gilt-Leaf Archdruid <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever you cast a Druid spell, you may draw a card.
Tap seven untapped Druids you control: Gain control of all lands target player controls.
"In our hands, the natural world finds more beauty than nature alone could ever provide."
3/3

[copper pecan]

yeah i would consider that to be mass land denial

[glad peak]

Flavor win for the four horsemen

Either conquest or pestilence, not sure yet

[trail anvil]

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1qe0vt1/any_info_on_this_leyline_of_anticipation/

MTG Promo leak

[glad peak]

Are you anticipating it

[past socket]

Almost time for prerelease for me. Signed and just waiting woo

[stark skiff]

my store has to cancel prerelease for the weirdest reason lol

they got their box and apparently wizards emailed telling them they have to return it cause they accidentally put in TMNT prerelease in there

[glad peak]

Ayo?

Leaks incoming?

[stark skiff]

yea like i said its random lol

nah they havent popped it open and have to send it back

otherwise pinkertons kill us off

[glad peak]

damn, I can’t believe rdr2 ub happened irl faster than magic

[glad peak]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wEt_BJdWJ_U?si=JYGsXuF7JATv5Jp0

[zinc shard]

TMNT card was put in Lorwyn pre-release kit by mistake

[copper pecan]

cool card

[glad peak]

Hopefully I get the tmnt cards tomorrow

Just because it’ll be funny

Do we know what sneak does?

Oh it’s ninjitsu but it’s a cast instead of ability

[sudden lava]

even better, its ninjitsu but not exclusive to creatures

And doesnt have to be in hand

[sleek ferry]

Wait

Oh nvm

[sudden lava]

so commanders can sneak in, unlike ninjitsu (Tiger's Shadow doesn't count, that's commander Ninjitsu)

[sleek ferry]

It has first strike

I was going to say

How does it enter tapped and attacking

[copper pecan]

what happens if you somehow give this double strike?

[zinc shard]

I'm guessing for the second damage it puts a creature in, but they dont attack

[sudden lava]

should depend on what you revive

[glad peak]

Technically attacking but damage already passed

[copper pecan]

i asked a judge and this is correct

[glad peak]

Also funny if you revive a creature with first strike, they don’t take damage from the other first striker

[tardy echo]

What does sneak do I forgor

[glad peak]

They are still technically attacking, just their damage window has passed

[sudden lava]

If you revive a double striker, the revived double striker doesnt hit for "1st damage"

But it will hit for regular damage

Unless you revive the double striker during regular damage, then it doesnt hit

[copper pecan]

it's ninjutsu but it casts

[sudden lava]

Ninjitsu but works from command zone as well, and can be on non creatures

[past socket]

1-1 atm

[past socket]

Finished up! 1-2 but came very close

[sleek ferry]

Nice! Is that for your prerelease?

If so, how was the prerelease for this set? I have mine tomorrow

[past socket]

Was quite a fun time, played Elves and the games were a blast

[stark skiff]

guess my shop isnt the only that got tmnt cards lol

[zinc shard]

I just looked at her gatherer page on a whim

[tropic cape]

Bruh, are they seriously still using this like .. 4 year old secret lair for ads?

[golden plover]

Yeah sure man whatever I guess

[sleek ferry]

Walking to prerelease now, will post pics of what I pull for draft review later

[golden plover]

Lmao someone in Japan pulled the same serialized number twice

[hidden ermine]

... wait how does that even work

Factory error?

[golden plover]

I assume so? First time this has happened lol

[hidden ermine]

It being specifically 444 is oddly ominous too

[golden plover]

Oh right, isn't 444 unlucky in japan

Crazy that not only did they pull it, they pulled 2 of it then

[hidden ermine]

4 in general but yeah

It's associated with death I believe

... I only know because of Soul Eater lmao

[sleek ferry]

Anime teaching us life lessons for the win

@past socket Any draft bombs I should look out for?

[zinc shard]

Another TMNT Leak

[hidden ermine]

Wow, they made a robot fucker class?

[past socket]

Remembered some really nasty convoke stuff in white and green like Selfless Safewright.

[golden plover]

LMAO "Does Machines" is an AWFUL name for a class

[glad peak]

Would anyone oppose to allowing monocolored commanders innate “partners with class”

[tardy echo]

I assume the whole cycle is gonna be does x does y does z

Otherwise that’s a strange name

Seems like a good card though

[glad peak]

I would love to play “selvala does machines”

[golden plover]

Oh it's dumber than that according to a friend. They're the titles they have in the TMNT show

So it's gonna be "Leads", "Does Machines", "Cool But Crude", and.... "Party Dude"...

[tardy echo]

I mean

Weird naming conventions but it’s not that bad

[golden plover]

Really clunky names for a set of classes imo

[tardy echo]

Shrug

You can’t call them x/y/z class for this one

Name is probably just meant to have like some semblance of styling from the franchise

[trail anvil]

I feel like I'm not gonna be able to enjoy the theming from this set regardless but it feels okay as a fit

[golden plover]

I'm sure there's better titles for each that isn't lines from the themesong imo

[sleek ferry]

I mean naming aside, that glass is pretty insane for Sultai/reanimator strategies

It puts 4 cards in your gy

By itself

[golden plover]

"Dedicated Leader" and "Machine Operator" would be generic enough class names

[subtle sierra]

it's insane in general imo

[golden plover]

No clue how to translate "Cool But Crude" and "Party Dude" but there's other titles for them, no?

[tardy echo]

They don’t want them to be generic enough

[subtle sierra]

this is just first cast of something like esper origins on drugs

[tardy echo]

Is the point

[sleek ferry]

You could also just use it in lessons and have gran gran turned on t2 lmao

[tardy echo]

There aren’t any lootings that are standard legal right now right

[sudden lava]

These funny enough make me want to go to ECL prerelease

[copper pecan]

he does WHAT to the machines???

[subtle sierra]

when is lorwyn legal on arena again?

[golden plover]

Next Tuesday

[sleek ferry]

Won round 1 with a clean 2-0

I’m on GW

[sleek ferry]

Kithkins lowkey have insane cards

[trail anvil]

I think that 2 mana aether vial one might be the best card in the set?

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461844358805455039/unspoiled-ninja-turtles-card-in-my-prerelease-box-v0-gjmrkzw38sdg1.png?ex=696c0826&is=696ab6a6&hm=38fe1bfd064c802c6ab8545a5cbd6d8db25948446c4cfd08967162094828f6d5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=602&height=804

Another prerelease promo

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461844608295370835/tmt-casey-jones-vigilante-v0-1oh3zpu1bsdg1.png?ex=696c0862&is=696ab6e2&hm=cd3a81ec5eaa4e87cd66e4ff0a1a62457c989cb0df9a0c7eef5058d442444bdd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=566&height=804

[copper pecan]

me? goongala

https://tenor.com/view/gongaga-me-village-final-fantasy-gif-16997495

[sudden lava]

this makes 5 cards revealed via prerelease

[stark skiff]

Just reveal the cards already

[copper pecan]

for each what among permanents you control?

[lusty trench]

Color

[sudden lava]

color I think

[copper pecan]

oh okay

[sudden lava]

you can see a faint r outline

[copper pecan]

so this is support for vivid then

[subtle sierra]

god this never gets old

[copper pecan]

me when i know how to read

[trail anvil]

bruh there's even a little highlight too on the corner

then again sometimes it's just easy to do dumb stuff when you're tired

[tardy echo]

No more vivid ability word I guess

That was short lived

[sudden lava]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Lorwyn #7

[trail anvil]

well that's just a commander card

and it's speed demon but better

[sudden lava]

WOTC when they find out what printer is doing this

[trail anvil]

I think this is on purpose for teasers

[zinc shard]

[[Mycosinth Latice]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice

Mycosynth Lattice <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
All permanents are artifacts in addition to their other types.
All cards that aren't on the battlefield, spells, and permanents are colorless.
Players may spend mana as though it were mana of any color.

[sudden lava]

it would be funny if thats the case

[trail anvil]

I mean it wouldn't be the first time they're stepping on the toes of an in-universe set

[tardy echo]

They asked stores to send back pre release teasers no?

[trail anvil]

did they?

[copper pecan]

the one ring if it was awful

[tardy echo]

I doubt they’re trying to play 17-d chess

Adam said his store was asked to I believ

[copper pecan]

yeah they asked at least one store to send their box back because they accidentally sent tmnt cards instead of lorwyn ones

[trail anvil]

ic

[glad peak]

Tbh wizards has done this on purpose ™ before

[tardy echo]

Normally they don’t ask for the boxes back when they do though no?

[copper pecan]

not that i know of

[past socket]

Yeah I’m on thw side of it being a mistake

The quality control issue being something that should be addressed still

Still really bad that people aren’t getting what they’re paying for too

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461859710335582352/ns2fpoytlsdg1.webp?ex=696c1672&is=696ac4f2&hm=f2bf0bb5665dc98379c39726156662c624384de94d41a29981ac5ddaeae5f01e&=&format=webp&width=384&height=511

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461859710016950304/9qew6pytlsdg1.webp?ex=696c1672&is=696ac4f2&hm=c14c0187cffa23ea4a776de1bf879056d1011d2d226b7eefb2f39169e19bf1ac&=&format=webp&width=384&height=511

round 10, but we already seen this card

https://www.reddit.com/r/mtg/comments/1qevn2z/you_may_have_seen_my_mondo_gecko_post_from/

Im not counting the amount anymore, a bunch dropped in one post

[copper pecan]

ninja teen seems really strong

[tardy echo]

2 mana mill half your opponents library is just really fun awesome card design thanks wotc

[trail anvil]

how about 4 mana cheat something onto the battlefield without broadcasting it

[lusty trench]

When you cast this card you gotta say it like a question

[sudden lava]

green technique

[copper pecan]

that seems pretty strong

[trail anvil]

I understand why this effect is black as far as the color pie, but why is it black lore-wise? isn't he the martial arts master of the turtles or something?

[copper pecan]

you could say he tutored them in martial arts

[hidden ermine]

Depends on the iteration of the character but he does have some black qualities

[copper pecan]

in the original comic his main motivation was to get revenge for shredder killing his master

i think revenge is a pretty black thing

[trail anvil]

ic. I feel like the flavor text didn't seem very black lol

[sudden lava]

its also for wubrg reasons

They made him the monoblack for character select in the precon

[sudden lava]

these ones were posted yeah

https://bsky.app/profile/magic.wizards.com/post/3mclkkr2dka2k

Magic: The Gathering (@magic.wizards.com)

(1/2 🧵) We're aware of reports of ECL prerelease kits containing foil promo cards from an incorrect set. This is not intentional and, if possible, stores should replace these promos with the appropriate ECL promos from other prerelease kits.

Bluesky · Jan 17, 2026, 2:22 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/magic.wizards.com/post/3mclkmfveos2r

Magic: The Gathering (@magic.wizards.com)

-# ↩ Magic: The Gathering (@magic.wizards.com)
(2/2 🧵) If stores do not have enough available, players can play with the incorrect cards. Stores are also encouraged to communicate with their WPN representatives for more information.

Bluesky · Jan 17, 2026, 2:23 AM

WOTC gave permission to use the turtles in prerelease 🥷 🐢

[tardy echo]

They also prob feel inclined by default because the other turtles are already the other 4 colors

Regardless these cards seem good in general

Tutor being 4 mana sorcery is a little idk

But the company seems strong

[golden plover]

Miserable round 2 lol. Opponent smelled like cigarettes and tried to argue that because my card says "difference" and not "absolute value" for [[Doran, Besieged By Time]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/215/doran-besieged-by-time

Doran, Besieged by Time <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk Druid
Each creature spell you cast with toughness greater than its power costs less to cast.
Whenever a creature you control attacks or blocks, it gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the difference between its power and toughness.
"Each year that passes rots you with scars. Shelter your heart, for the world is cruel."
0/5

[sudden lava]

Gonna need a copy of south wind Avatar for my Dina deck I'm likely making

[trail anvil]

bruh landfall did not need a mana rock that lightning bolts 😭

[golden plover]

I don't think it's good lol

Starts on 3?

They want you dying by then

[sleek ferry]

T1 elves
T2 weather maker
T3 play fabled passage, fetch a forest, play icetill explorer, play fabled passage, fetch a forest

[sudden lava]

More prerelease leaks

Including a new Splinter commander

[trail anvil]

omg it's another doubler

[sudden lava]

Espur doubler ninjas go brrrr

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461939558148083890/89tux3px5udg1.png?ex=696c60d0&is=696b0f50&hm=4d8f6430330b1ade16a61ce5412b08e66629a4fa1d7e95954770658383927fda&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=602&height=804

[glad peak]

So you loses power and toughness then? Perfect card design

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461942768963289142/image.png?ex=696c63cd&is=696b124d&hm=843eaae31491142e3f6a1c9a4e0fcda530b69d764d77162a88316145b49de63b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=577&height=768

[trail anvil]

this seems like a really nice sideboard card yeah? 3/2 with menace is already a great value for 2 mana and you can punish cheated out spells

[sudden lava]

anti-sneak yeah

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461943049683865630/616343785_10235491396363455_4103351159981065668_n.png?ex=696c6410&is=696b1290&hm=2765ea2622bb0d80d440ef0c74fde91f3ec04b24c3de4c97af6d5b5308769b24&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=602&height=804

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371350916242079805/1461945491183898754/hadnt-seen-this-yet-north-wind-avatar-pre-release-kit-mix-up-v0-v1w5hx1yaudg1.png?ex=696c6656&is=696b14d6&hm=8275e2501ecc6bc905a3b657bb499bf649947538f2a17ef968a5286f08aab5b3

[tardy echo]

hhhh I love wish in standard

My favorite mechanic

[trail anvil]

it's a pretty expensive wish but tied to a good body

but does a 5/5 flyer stabilize you still? ig jeskai could use this to grab a revelation for a finisher?

[tardy echo]

I mean I’m not super concerned about it being crazy or anything

But when there’s a will there’s a way with wishes

Just leads to a lot of unfun play patterns in my experience

They did try to balance all the annoying stuff you could’ve done with it at least

[trail anvil]

oh no I didn't think it'd be game breaking at all, but just thinking how usable it is in a fast standard

preventing blinking it is smart

[tardy echo]

Probably not very

But I will be very unhappy if I ever see it

[trail anvil]

I feel like most of the time if I see it then a Johnny is using it for a fun combo

[tardy echo]

Yes and I hate fun combos

[trail anvil]

oh this does work with airbending though

[zinc shard]

Goddamn, the whole set is gonna get leaked at this rate

I thought this was just a couple isolated incidents but the cards are everywhere lmao

[golden plover]

Can they print a playable card in the set tho lol

The blue class is good but everything else has looked... Bad

[tardy echo]

The black class looked good too

[subtle sierra]

Which one is that

I miseed it

[tardy echo]

2B when a creature leaves the battlefield deal 1 to opp for 1B all creatures get +1 menace and for B you can sneak anything from gy for 2BB

[sleek ferry]

I think most of the sneaks look playable

Raphael’s technique

[tardy echo]

The only technique that I’m not super sure about is the splinter one

[lusty trench]

Dog shit? For 3 mana?

My favourite

[lusty trench]

Oh cool more high end artifact cheating targets

Portal is probably still better but this is neat

[last glen]

yo it's a three mana combat trick with permanence

[lusty trench]

Turtles only, I get it, limited exists but man

Imagine spending £6 a pack and getting that as your rare

I would actually feel like wotc personally saw to it i was torn apart by a spongebobian contraption

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-crushed-meme-lady-gaga-spongebob-gif-13980278704109625417

[sleek ferry]

Why? I would high key slot it into a lot of my rakdos decks

[twilit canyon]

you mean like most 3 mana rares?

[subtle sierra]

Hey don't diss my swift aang

[glad peak]

she knows what she said

and i agree

[lusty trench]

Its mainly just cause its so boring

Like yeah sure its a rare because of limited but like... come on some level of game design work to make this interesting

[glad peak]

that's the main reason why i say no tribe has an identity

no matter what it is, there will always be some cards where the effect is just "give +x/+x"

[lusty trench]

Theres 3 types of creature typal decks that get Venn diagramed: stats, keywords and tokens

Occasionally the types do something somewhat interesting with their themes like graveyard interactions (i.e the vermin types), but a lot of the time its just random effects that fit the colour and then those 3 types as glue

[glad peak]

i'm sad it got to that point tbh

because now it's just you choose from 2 mechanics with a hat

[tardy echo]

Sigh elves tap for mana

[lusty trench]

So does giada

So does overgrown battlements

[sudden lava]

https://i.redd.it/gw240wyb6wdg1.jpeg

[lusty trench]

So do druids

[sudden lava]

"cost 1 less", oh boy I wonder what thats for

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/6/5/6559c423-449c-4e8e-8384-3ce78183e317.jpg?1760102885

[lusty trench]

This is actually not bad design I like this

Wouldve liked it more in red so you can use it for blood but its nice

[sudden lava]

Green card doing green things

[glad peak]

So do walls, some angels, druids, and a surprising number of slivers

[glad peak]

For a moment I thought it said “when you put a +1/+1 counter on ~, make a mutagen”

[tardy echo]

Ok then thats walls elves and druids identity

[lusty trench]

Squirrels do it now too

[glad peak]

Not to mention artifacts do it too

[sleek ferry]

Goblins can also tap for mana

[subtle sierra]

Anything can tap for mana if you try hard enough

[sleek ferry]

And spiders

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1462162117380542515/2-new-tmnt-spoilers-v0-hoeza5svjydg1.png?ex=696d3016&is=696bde96&hm=ae9e48e248d9b6fb47a529c2c5dbb75cdf4ab6b2db9f64c7cf33f6709089ad21&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=602&height=804

Relentless Rat support

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1462162151618773073/2-new-tmnt-spoilers-v0-ywaac9svjydg1.png?ex=696d301e&is=696bde9e&hm=45f3a33caa88f1bb09536f6bf93432907a0fb0170fb05349cefceb35c7b1716f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=316&height=420

[glad peak]

Gonna see if I can force bw in this prerelease

Was busted in the prerelease yesterday

[sleek ferry]

Green variants are the best imo

Specifically GW

[glad peak]

White in general is really really good here

[sudden lava]

Some new commanders I picked up for future decks, and 2 enchantments (Outlander for JennyVastra, twists and turns for Hakbal)

[sudden lava]

As for what the non-enchantments are for (All leading their own decks)
Jinnie: I wanna build selesnya cats.
Satoru Umezawa: No clue, but that guy has aura.
Vren: RATS! 💖 (I am aware Vren cares more about destruction then typical rat kindred. )
Chishiro: I have a copy of [[Barret, Avalanche Leader]] that is going unplayed, I already have big beefy storm aura (Pearl-Ear) and big beefy equipment (Naya Tifa). Now to make token army gruul equipment
Iroh Pizza Master: As an enjoyer of junk food, I am making boros pizza deck. White has multiple ways to get food including Iroh's own enter ability. Iroh also gives me an employee for every pizza sold, with them getting bigger paychecks with each slice given out

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/79/barret-avalanche-leader

Barret, Avalanche Leader <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Rebel
Reach
Avalanche! — Whenever an Equipment you control enters, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, attach up to one target Equipment you control to target Rebel you control.
4/4

[sudden lava]

@past socket what did you mean by the X 😅 ?

[past socket]

For some reason I double tap sometimes and it does X’s because Discord is weird

[sudden lava]

Ah ok

[past socket]

I usually catch it

[zinc shard]

New blink target just dropped

[sudden lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371350916242079805/1462273269469282427/13-people-out-of-72-on-saturday-prerelease-opened-tmnt-v0-583guz8uq0eg1.png?ex=696d979b&is=696c461b&hm=ccd270efa952c7a547516e24cc106438c16595271a5dc7876bbdf31e1742a0b2

Hardened Scales the commander

[lusty trench]

I feel like kitsune couldve been permanents without it causing issues

[knotty ferry]

yo i just beat mtg arena tutorial

this game is fucking easy

[twilit canyon]

true

[zinc shard]

https://cardgamebase.com/mtg-tmnt-spoilers-leaks-news/

[glad peak]

So I opened a cracked bw deck

And still lost a round because I was stuck on 3 lands and all my ways of getting out of the jam were 4 mana

[sleek ferry]

I tied my R2 due to them having 1 card in hand, me having perfect lethal, and the 1 card in Hand was the perfect flash blocker

[glad peak]

I opened so much removal but it was all 2 mana and I had no creatures on field anymore

I lost with all of my answers in hand

[sleek ferry]

Why are most of these tmnt leaks so fucking cool design wise https://x.com/sadpoor/status/2012642891105976599?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Alexis Haro (@SadPoor)

X · Jan 17, 2026, 9:47 PM

[trail anvil]

fwiw credit to wizards. they're doing a lot better job on this than I thought they would, especially after the spiderman debacle

I'm thinking/hoping that was an outlier

[subtle sierra]

hmm i like this land

[sleek ferry]

This is a safe assumption tbh. Most of these sets have gotten love, even “bad” sets like Aetherdrift had soul. The Spiderman set just felt empty

Look at Lorwyn too, it’s a pretty low power set all things considered

But it has a lot of soul

[trail anvil]

aetherdrift and mkm were just misguided really

and thunder junction

[glad peak]

Tried eclipse’s draft, surprisingly fun for a kindred set

Focusing more on mechanics rather than kindred synergy really helped them out here

You can actually get emergent gameplay this way

[golden plover]

What are we doing here

My opponent shouldn't be able to get anything from my 7 mana sorcery

[stark skiff]

Some of these just feel like other MtG cards being skinned for TMNT meh

[glad peak]

Made some headway into my modular jund cube

Made the executive decision to have 3 piles: 1 for fixing, 1 for core cards (removal, ramp, draw, etc), 1 for themes (bulk of the cube, semi-parasitic cute archetypes)

I think I’ll actually make the mana weak

[golden plover]

New Maralen as a commander is fun, but rough when you start running out of steam. I imagine she gets better the stronger the other cards are tho

[glad peak]

New food chain commander alert new food chain commander alert

[molten scaffold]

does anyone know how to get snapcaster mage miku the gambling way

[lusty trench]

The gambling way? Buy any miku lair, incredibly small chance of it being the bonus

[subtle sierra]

Is there an amount of shock lands that is too much in a deck?

I'm debating on getting 3 of temple garden and hallowed fountain, or 4 of each

Context the deck is bant airbending

And for simic mana i use botanical sanctum

[fallow citrus]

depends how much mana fixing you have already

you could use modern as a guideline, granted they have fetches but you could substitute them for your other lands