#Magic the Gathering

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twilit canyon
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timeless is literally goated though. more ppl need to hop on. even if the busted card designs can be off-putting, the format can be played once and forgotten if it truly isnt your thing, but it is genuinely peak

trail anvil
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I kinda want to get into it but the wildcard investment peepoCross

twilit canyon
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it isnt that bad of an investment once you do get in

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and some decks can get away with more/less of course

trail anvil
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I mean the cards are all nice but I spread myself super thin with brawl wildcards

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I think I have like one of each staple or something

twilit canyon
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new hotness: necropotence and its relatively wildcard cheap

sleek ferry
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I’ve accepted that I’ve officially become an old soul when I realized the best mtg formats are draft/sealed and vintage cube

twilit canyon
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draft/sealed or cube isnt old soul smh

glad peak
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from what i've seen online, premodern has the commander issue where people playing decks they like are masking the issues with the rest of deckbuilding

trail anvil
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I still can never really get into limited, I don't really wanna do homework for each iteration of a format on normally weaker cards

sleek ferry
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Only 1 cube, it has to be vintage cube

glad peak
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the only difference being the best thing to do in commander isn't locking out your opponent with a beatdown strat

sleek ferry
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I spent so much money on vintage cube in arena when they had it

twilit canyon
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if you like blue, it def can be a bit of an expense, but your goat is an uncommon and cruise is a common

sleek ferry
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And loved every second of it

trail anvil
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ik for sure I'd suck at blue in timeless

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I'm not built for that color unless it's simic

twilit canyon
copper pecan
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i just can't get into formats with super busted cards in them

glad peak
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vintage cube is pretty fun and then i just kept forcing rw

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in person vintage cube fixes this issue but alas

sleek ferry
trail anvil
twilit canyon
trail anvil
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same reason I couldn't really get into cedh

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what's simic, tamiyo tempo?

twilit canyon
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show and tell (simic splash black), sultai midrange (simic oko splash black), and actual factual sultai

sleek ferry
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So 3 Sultai lists? clearly

twilit canyon
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there are also simic lands decks

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those are purely simic

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tho i find those worse land variants compared to golgari

trail anvil
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simic lands? like fotd or what

twilit canyon
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dark depths

trail anvil
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o

twilit canyon
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i get the theory... but vampire hexmage is tutorable and necessary for turbo depths

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we sadly dont have the land pieces needed for actual lands control/midrange yet

trail anvil
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what does blue add

twilit canyon
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tho we are relatively close

trail anvil
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other than counters

twilit canyon
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oko technically

trail anvil
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of course

twilit canyon
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but u dont wanna main oko

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this format can beat marit lage easily

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so having counters actually is kinda goated

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on the flipside, uro offsets so much

trail anvil
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with oko 😎

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ig that doesn't work vs hexmage

twilit canyon
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and stp, solitude, borrower etc

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there are a lot of outs

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simic lists look to use the guard too

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so u can infinitely recycle the combo

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and it itself is a threat too

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and of course, its a strip mine deck that can loop it

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so in worst cases: you can just mana deny and use boseiju to get them off their mana rocks

glad peak
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so the wandering minstrel deck i put on the backburner? might go back to building it with the intention to actually build it out

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gonna see if i can push it to cedh but in the meantime making it be a stupid showcase of amulet combos

trail anvil
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I feel like I'd need another all access event

twilit canyon
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yeah timeless should def look into another one

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this format is so different from what it was when it first got one

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the only deck thats kind of fizzled out is really just prime time

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and thats mostly because it lacks cloudpost and it struggles to keep up without amulet

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and the bounceland

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plus strip mine being useful/popular hurts dedicated land decks without a backup and the idea that they will cast a 6 drop freely

glad peak
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i like the scapeshift + 4 lands combo with untapper but i'm not sure if most of the cards are available in timeless

twilit canyon
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they arent iirc

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amulet missing and spelunking isnt the same at all

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we do have valakut but same deal

glad peak
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i think there's one variant that's new enough and only needs spelunking or minstrel

trail anvil
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there's no wilderness reclamation deck right, that card is too slow?

twilit canyon
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the problem isnt the speed of wild rec

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u can easily cast it turn 2

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1even

trail anvil
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ah right

glad peak
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beseech for scapeshift, sac 4 lands, grab Mystic Sanctuary, Gingerbread Cabin, Hidden nursery and lotus field,
then loop scapeshift and/or splendid for infinite mana and tutor any land out

twilit canyon
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its strip mine in this case

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being soft to strip mine is not good for this format

glad peak
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i think this combo has cards that are all legal in timeless

twilit canyon
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[[hidden nursery]]

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Land — Cave
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manag.
mana4manag, manat, Sacrifice this land: Discover 4. Activate only as a sorcery. (Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with mana value 4 or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)

twilit canyon
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yep

glad peak
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splendid reclamation might not, let me check

twilit canyon
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the only big ask is wanting u to have 4 lands in play in timeless atm is a big ask

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[[splending reclamation]]

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glad peak
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oh it is

twilit canyon
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it is yep

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2 prints on arena

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but yeah i will def say try timeless. if you can. its great and even if the power can seem to be too much, its worth a try

glad peak
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yeah, this is just one of the combos i'm adding to minstrel since it's a piece in the command zone and a 1cc

trail anvil
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wait is splendid reclamation a reprint

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oh it was originally eldritch moon

glad peak
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now the main debate for minstrel: lurrus or no lurrus

atomic harness
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Thank you fuwisty

stark skiff
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They sold the Zuko before I could buy it FeelsSadcatMan

atomic harness
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Sigh

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It's okay my son

glad peak
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Decided no lurrus for minstrel but still keeping multiple 20 step (before loops) combos nyaruhodo

stark skiff
subtle sierra
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bro just press the concede button

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please

twilit canyon
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"heres how i can still win a casual game ultimately"

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i get it with a big event, but its at most a ladder

subtle sierra
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also 1 voyager in bant is cute

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you can get it off crossroads aang and both draw all cards or just heal for random burn stuff

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i also happen to have pulled one irl

sudden lava
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I wonder which of my decks I should use for my first commander game of 2026

glad peak
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Katara

atomic harness
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Katara

twilit canyon
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bum energies off the chart

glad peak
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Hey he gets nicer ||currently at least||

sudden lava
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oh, rip. Gotta wait another week

stark skiff
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Picked up some stuff

lusty trench
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Yeeep looks like the average Adam lis- is that a fucking black suit Spider-man

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Isnt that like 1k

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Oh it dropped a lot okay phew

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Still crazy card to pick up

stark skiff
atomic harness
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Looks good little adameus

tardy echo
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@twilit canyon I wanna play golgari but it just lost everything unique to it in rotation worrysad

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No more glissa no more tear asunder

twilit canyon
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golgari is actually good but lame tbh

tardy echo
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It’s like good now but it’s just like green stuff idk

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Maelstrom pulse is cool but idk

twilit canyon
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yeah nukgar

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literally boring otherwise

tardy echo
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I miss when golgari played actual golgari cards worrysad

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Glissa was so cool

atomic harness
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BG dragons is right there son

tardy echo
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It’s not the same

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Also that deck is kinda chopped

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It’s really cool but just missing some stuff

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Might play sultai dragons though once we get lorwyn

twilit canyon
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need lorwyn so bad

trail anvil
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true

tardy echo
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Fr

trail anvil
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some people are gonna be very angry at this thumbnail and title!

twilit canyon
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the only real set-wise controversies i can think of were spider-man being terrible and monster hunter lair was ass (looking back it really wasnt?)

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so this is probably one of the better years overall for magic

fallow citrus
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me when I am a pig and I eat my slop

tardy echo
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They stapled them onto random ass cards

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Also ppl were mad about the furby sl for some reason

sleek ferry
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Especially considering the pigs and eat slop thing was meant as a diss to commander players

sudden lava
twilit canyon
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ik what happened

twilit canyon
copper pecan
sudden lava
zinc shard
gritty nest
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Brother the game doesn’t have enough banlist updates

twilit canyon
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if only we updated weekly bans

subtle sierra
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Make weekly banlists so that every locals is just weekly brawl from heartstone

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This week we allow monstrous rage

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Next week we allow up the beanstalk

glad peak
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To be fair almost everyone’s been through the “mtg is only about how much money you spend” mindset one time or another

tardy echo
sleek ferry
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Damned if you do, damned if you don’t

hidden ermine
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Have battles returned btw?

golden plover
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Nope

trail anvil
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goyf players are starving out here pensivecowboybread

tardy echo
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New lorwyn battle to match the kindred return pepega

atomic harness
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would og goyf in standard do anything Sadge

glad peak
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No because he too expensive

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4 mana for a beater isnt good anymore

copper pecan
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i feel like tarmogoyf would still be good

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especially if we get a [[tarfire]] reprint

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atomic harness
sleek ferry
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Card is ass

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The other Goyfs though?

glad peak
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Most of them

tardy echo
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That type of effect just isn’t worth anymore

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It’s weird bc aggressive skewed decks are kind of at a point where they have cards that are able to apply pressure very well that also do other things

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Or at least are more consistent/ less reliant on other stuff as goyf

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They should bring back the kindred goyfs though

atomic harness
atomic harness
sleek ferry
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I feel like people don’t actually remember how scarce reprints were pre bonus sheet

sudden lava
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4 days to go

glad peak
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Bonus sheet is nice but making them all (or almost all) alt art is kinda meh

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Often makes the alt art cheaper which isnt where you want to be icant

tardy echo
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I see both sides of the argument

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Sometimes having the og art be more expensive makes it feel more collectible/vintage in a sense

sleek ferry
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Which is completely false lol

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We’re in a better spot reprint wise in modern day than we were pre covid

hidden ermine
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Yeah before the "horizons" and "masters" sets, reprints were few and far between

tardy echo
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I just mean the bonus sheet reprint thing

sleek ferry
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The funniest part is that the guy referenced core sets

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Like core sets weren’t some of the absolute worst sets we would get

copper pecan
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yeah the whole reason wotc stopped doing core sets was because people didn't like core sets

sleek ferry
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That's what I'm saying. People doing revisionist history to find ways to be upset icant

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Nobody ever said "Damn I can't wait till the new core set comes out"

past socket
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Oh hey it’s “Potential Hybrid” guy

sudden lava
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I just realized

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this guy can run nearly every frog

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Only two it can't (Excluding changelings) run are Helga and Amurid Brushhopper

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Oh and the Thalia Gitrog

zinc shard
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best Frog commander is probably Morophon or Atraxa

glad peak
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I still don’t know what’s wrong with hybrid mana as one or the other rather than both

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I had someone argue to me that it’s too complicated but… no?

sudden lava
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I feel like saying the best insertcreaturetype commander is morophon should be classified as an insult, cuz god morophon is mid.

glad peak
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The best creature type commander is morophon though, literally does everything the creature type decks wants no matter what

sleek ferry
sudden lava
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Also every morophon deck has the less funny Jodah, and/ or the Infinity gauntlet in their list. It's like fabled from hearthstone, but you actually pay for it.

sleek ferry
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I always thought the hybrid mana ruling as it was before was dumb, I think the upcoming change makes way more sense

glad peak
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I’m arguing for the change

copper pecan
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the way it currently is runs completely counter to how the mechanic is intended to be used

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i think the change is good

sudden lava
sleek ferry
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oh alright, so we all agree the change is good

sudden lava
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I say as I have only three decks that are typal-esque

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(Varina zombies, 10Clara by technicality, and Hakbal)

past socket
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IWouldnt it be [[Glarb]] theoretically.

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past socket
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If you were a typal purist anyways

twilit canyon
hidden ermine
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Just wait until 2033, when they bring back the core set as a UB set for Clair Obscur nyaruhodo

zinc shard
sudden lava
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Where as Tatsunari Toad Rider can make himself and a frog you control get pseudo flying for attacking. Also Tatsunari gives you another theme to work into the deck. You can go all frogs sure that's fine, but Tatsu adds some enchantment synergy so now you can go "This is frog typal, but we also enchanting the frogs".

trail anvil
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it's kinda hard to explain to a newer player but it does help designers actually use hybrid mana as intended

copper pecan
copper pecan
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i'm looking forward to more goblin cards

zinc shard
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First pack of 2026

sleek ferry
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If we get some solid goblin payoffs at 2 mana we could build goblins again

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Or if we get some other color goblins

vivid hatch
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i scalped a guy

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should i feel bad

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basically sniffed out that a guy i won an auction from who quit magic in 2006 had russian RAV foils he opened in 2005 laying around

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asked him if theres anything notable, he said scraps

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asked him to send anyway, to which i got a list containing this stuff

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“700?”
“sure”

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the watery grave is 2000+, foundry 1500+

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seasons 300 each, curios 250 or so

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Overall, conservatively, over $5k in old russian foils

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But in the end, I offered a price and he agreed

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And he got money out of cards he didn’t even remember existed

zinc shard
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If he didn't check the prices, that's on him.

glad peak
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Eh he didn’t care for it, on his part he got a good deal

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If I was offered even just $100 for my 20year old pokemon stuff I would probably sell

lusty trench
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Its also like

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Not easy stuff to sell

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Stuff like this requires finding a buyer who would pay these prices

sudden lava
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Last draft for me in ATLA, 4 wins with waterbend azorious (with a splash of black for foggy swamp spirit keeper)

sudden lava
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copper pecan
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bug if true

past socket
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buggers!

copper pecan
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thinking about og ixalan limited

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iirc in the entire time that arena has been around, they ran ixalan limited as an event exactly once after the closed beta ended, and that was back when there were only 5 sets on the client

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which i think says a lot about how bad the format was

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not exactly a high point for block draft to end on

zinc shard
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glad peak
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Who knew you can start playing better if you didn’t have to think about the social implications

subtle sierra
glad peak
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As much as I don’t like cards that are obviously pushed for casual commander, some of these designs are very cool

subtle sierra
glad peak
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I don’t like kindred in particular since it’s just +1/+1 stuff but it’s Lorwyn so I give it a pass

subtle sierra
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Am i the only one who thinks lavaleaper sounds crazy

glad peak
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It reads flashy for sure

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It’s pretty on rate for the effects it has, it’s new that theyre put together that way though

subtle sierra
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No it's actually hasty clearly

glad peak
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You’re too hasty nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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I actually hate haste

glad peak
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Having the strixhaven students here feels weird

subtle sierra
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It's l o r e

glad peak
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I know but a full cycle of them? icant

subtle sierra
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I'm fine with it tbh

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give us learn

trail anvil
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tam sounds nuts as both passive protection and then just turning into mother of runes at the drop of a hat

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makes jodah hexproof and is legendary herself lmao

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also is the champion series just using a new version of the champion mechanic?

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did not expect the maralen card to be an enchantment peepoS

glad peak
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Yep, I was half right with champion coming back but it’s now part of another mechanic

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I didn’t expect wither back though

hidden ermine
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That Oko feels very ... meh?

glad peak
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It looks like a card made specifically for YouTuber short engage bait

trail anvil
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it has a lot of text but doesn't do much

zinc shard
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bruh how does this keep happening

subtle sierra
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What does?

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Leaks?

zinc shard
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ppl getting packs early

subtle sierra
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Logistics is hard

zinc shard
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for the sake of making these easier to read

subtle sierra
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Bloom tender

fallow citrus
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merfolk kindred spell pog

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it not being an instant is such a shame

stark skiff
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meh not a fan of the artwork but the lands are nice

sleek ferry
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Goblins are so back

fallow citrus
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oh wow they reprinted rishadan dockhand but in white

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these merolk are lowkey ass

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this is fiine if you can vial it out

sleek ferry
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That’s a solid uncommon in draft/sealed

lusty trench
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Scrunkly

fallow citrus
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merfolk discord is taking this set well

stark skiff
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Namor lord and savior of Merfolk

tardy echo
subtle sierra
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that's all i got

sleek ferry
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that's all I got

tardy echo
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Tap Target other creature you control gains…

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Is the top line

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Also I be seeing that land

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Any color but condition related to creatures

subtle sierra
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which land

sleek ferry
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the land cycle this set is tapped cycling lands with 2 land types yeah?

subtle sierra
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isn't that the commander icon on it

sleek ferry
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oh yeah nvm

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so that's just completing the cycle of the thickets then

subtle sierra
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yeah i saw the land too and was dissapointed

tardy echo
subtle sierra
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ah the abundant || ||

sleek ferry
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Abundant Harvester

sudden lava
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So many leaks

subtle sierra
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well ig at least it creates changeling tokens

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that's something

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it costs 6 and tapping but

tardy echo
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These cards are really cool but not sure how actually good most of them are

sudden lava
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read 4 of the 5 strixhaven rares, did we see the golgari witherbloom student yet?

subtle sierra
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catharsis is nuts, no?

tardy echo
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It seems good

subtle sierra
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lavaleaper might be used in temur stuff

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mostly with the red thing that copies

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dissident prob taps for the two abilities, but is interesting regardless imo

tardy echo
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Already has haste

subtle sierra
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no

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the spell that copies

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[[Devastating Onslaught]]

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tardy echo
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Very specific plink

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Oh this seems lowk ass I can’t lie

subtle sierra
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it makes free mana

tardy echo
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Also lava leaper only gives extra mana from basics

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lol

subtle sierra
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so just keep a basic untapped

tardy echo
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At that point you should just be killing them

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And temur doesn’t exactly play a house of basics

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2 card, 7+ mana investment for a payoff that doesn’t actually advance your gameplan at all, doesn’t get you real card advantage, and doesn’t produce more mana than you already had

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In a combo deck that can kill on turn 4

sudden lava
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so ready for this

sudden lava
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glad peak
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It’s just the most boring kindred payoff, it increases price and tacks on another ability most lords give it nukgar

trail anvil
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does this want to be a finisher or a draw engine I'm so confused

fallow citrus
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yes

glad peak
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Oh I just saw hexing squelcher

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Damn

golden plover
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Unplayable literally everywhere else

tardy echo
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The lorwyn reveals should be happening soon right

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Wasn’t it 10 am western?

glad peak
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There’s some more reveals that came by yep

tardy echo
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Can anyone postge them

golden plover
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This is gross wtf

tardy echo
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hhhhhhh

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Izzet needed the help

golden plover
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2 mana? Surely this shit is like turbo busted??

fallow citrus
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he's just a little guy

golden plover
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At least in standard

tardy echo
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Anyways I’m wondering how many color pairs they’re making evokes for in this set

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Full wheel would be sick but I doubt they have space for it

glad peak
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Yep squelcher wins where Punk didnt because punk sets up your opponents to win and squelcher only makes your stuff uncounterable

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It looks like full cycle, I’m seeing ally and enemy color pairings

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The gruul one looks cute

tardy echo
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So far it’s just boros orzhov dimir

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Wait there’s a gruul?

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Post

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Nowge

golden plover
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Dimir is surely super dead because squelcher, nah?

tardy echo
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What are the chances they do half/half and the other half are in strixhaven

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Since there’s strixhaven kids in lorwyn

glad peak
tardy echo
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And so far if we’ve seen boros/gruul/orzhov/dimir those were all the same pairs as the shocks from eoe too

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So I’ll hold until we see one of the lorwyn shock pairs get an evoke

tardy echo
glad peak
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We’ve seen both Orzhov evoke and student cards

tardy echo
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Yes

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That’s what I mean

fallow citrus
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we don't have any stifle effects in standard do we

tardy echo
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These evokes are actually so cool holy

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Emptiness is my gogoat

glad peak
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I’m really liking how tayam is getting new toys

golden plover
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Get baited

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It's actually a draft common

tardy echo
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Holy

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Anyway we’re basically guaranteed a simic evoke

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I won’t hold my breath for more

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Maybe this time simic will really be good for real for real Copium @twilit canyon

subtle sierra
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why

tardy echo
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I also like how this is just a worse version of the goblin in every single way possible

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Except extremely specific niche cases where you need a -1/-1 counter icant

twilit canyon
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lords spells cant be countered and yet it feels pretty bad

golden plover
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Wait I just realized he's 1R because God forbid we have stricter mana costs

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I really feel like a big design issue lately has been that mana costs are too free nowadays

subtle sierra
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he should have been RR

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at least

tardy echo
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Idk personally I think mana screws are some of the least enjoyable and least important aspects of balance in this game icant

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I find it hard to imagine you wouldn’t still complain about this card at RR

golden plover
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Yeah no I fully agree that he should've been RR

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He's strong at RR, but he has a bit heavier of a cost

tardy echo
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Hardly

subtle sierra
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i def would still complain but at least it wouldn't be egregious

golden plover
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Do you miss having ideal lands on t2 to play him or wait until t3

tardy echo
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After avatar I think I’m gonna wait until the set actually drops and play the format to start complaining about cards CoolSmile

golden plover
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And it'd mean there's situations like not being able to play him on 2 because your verge doesn't tap for red yet

subtle sierra
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i mostly want this in mono red and nowhere else

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rn i think he's too splashable

past socket
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If a tree falls in the woods and no one was around to see it, would it still receive complaints?

golden plover
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My issue is fully splashability yeah

tardy echo
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I really think it doesn’t make that much of a difference with how solid mana bases are after lorwyn anyways lol

golden plover
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Like [[Vexing Susher]] which he's based on needed 2 pips

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golden plover
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Creatures are already too good now and punishing anything that could interact with them feels like it strips a lot of decision and player agency

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They should reprint strict proctor in Strixhaven if they're gonna print shit like this

glad peak
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Actually yeah damn

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Hexing is so much better than vexing

golden plover
#

Kinda hate losing interaction points because of cards like this

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Like if it was counterable? Not as annoying

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But they can drop this on 2 and then drop a must answer card on 3-4 with no chance to interact

glad peak
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I would be fine with it being uncounterable if it either costed more or costed mana to make things uncounterable but that option is too close to vexing

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Very solid sideboard card, might even break into the main

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They printed a fixed sneak attack lmao

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Izzet student got announced

past socket
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and Orzhov

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Trying to find the Izzet one

fallow citrus
#

oooh

past socket
#

Even more Tendies

#

the showcase Tendies looks really nice

zinc shard
glad peak
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Heres the izzet one

zinc shard
twilit canyon
#

painter on arena!?

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my goat??

golden plover
#

Oh look Maralen as an enchant

#

This shit sucks so bad lol. Your opponent searches first

glad peak
#

Finally I can oppo people without playing that god awful creature icant

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(Ignore that I can play oppo on its own and it’ll be great)

fallow citrus
#

that's so goated

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god this is hot

glad peak
#

It’s a lot of stream so I’d hope it’s hot

sleek ferry
#

steam*

past socket
#

Another Island by Raoul Vitale?

glad peak
#

Stream steam nyaruhodo

fallow citrus
#

ig this is fine for modern merfolk

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it's about the most playable card in the set for it

lusty trench
zinc shard
stark skiff
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Nothing really catching my eye so far on this set. Though I know we have some more days.

zinc shard
golden plover
#

This is one of the best special guest sheets

zinc shard
#

Another special guest

copper pecan
#

requiting hex seems pretty good

zinc shard
#

Looks like we're not getting Macabre in the main set

zinc shard
sudden lava
#

😛

sleek ferry
#

Hex and spell snare are such welcomed additions to the meta

zinc shard
#

yooooo Bogle

tardy echo
tardy echo
tardy echo
sleek ferry
#

I think it’s needed tbh

gritty nest
#

pubstomped in their games vs their friends

twilit canyon
glad peak
#

I never understood the argument of “only people who buy these cards should be able to play them” outside of tournament play

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If we wanted to go band for band there are better ways than magic icant

sleek ferry
#

Spell snare is fine in current standard

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If it was up to me we would have fatal push in current standard also

golden plover
#

This is NUTS right?

atomic harness
#

That's pretty good

lusty trench
#

Cloudshift that makes a changeling in tribal matters the set

#

Yeah

golden plover
#

It's also in the same standard as warp and evoke

lusty trench
#

Don't know if you saw but theres a 7 mana giant who etb humility your opponents board permanently

#

Is it bad? Absolutely, funny as fuck though

sleek ferry
glad peak
#

I mean, they already had the tiny dinosaur for that purpose

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But being able to do either or both modes is stupid

tardy echo
copper pecan
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so many people are gonna lose in limited because they forgor that this has flying

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it doesn't look like it would be able to fly based on the art

tardy echo
#

Does sunpearl Kirin holycowthatsoutofthisworld

zinc shard
trail anvil
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well this looks like it's gonna be popular as a theft commander

glad peak
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A way to loop 2 champion abilities is infinite

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Expensive but good enough for me

glad peak
#

So I’ve looked through some old cards

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Why is Aurelia over $10

urban crane
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which one

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nvm i see the one

trail anvil
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she's iconic

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she's the moment

glad peak
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She’s mid icant

subtle sierra
#

@tardy echo you wanted the text, right?

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splinter twin alert, as pointed out by a friend

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i also adore this

fallow citrus
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you can flash it in during attacks and still get the pump

golden plover
# zinc shard

Welp guess I'm pivoting Lathril to this because it'll piss off people

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Also wins the game with [[Presence of Gond]] and [[Intruder Alarm]]

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golden plover
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(3 card combo with a huge mana cost)

fallow citrus
subtle sierra
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it still dies on enter

fallow citrus
#

yeah but you change your 1/1 ds into a 13/13

golden plover
#

Yeah but you can't do this t2

fallow citrus
#

oh noooo

golden plover
#

Fetch shock fetch shock is 14

twilit canyon
#

even with a t1 thoughtseize

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12 is the lowest in modern

golden plover
#

You've gotta do fetch shock thought seize fetch shock but you can't play both on 2 that way

fallow citrus
#

feel like this still doesn't invalidate the card

twilit canyon
#

correcr

fallow citrus
#

oh no I have to play my card on turn 3 in dimir instead of turn 2

golden plover
#

Yeah I'm not saying it's not playable or anything but a bunch of people are acting like you can do it on t2

fallow citrus
#

the biggest issue is that you can't swing immediately with it which is like whatever

golden plover
#

Well that and removal

fallow citrus
#

saw this too

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does this mean it loses crew as well

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oh you'd have to crew it first

tardy echo
#

Damn blossoming defense reprinted too

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They’re just giving back all the old green stuff

#

We’re so grack @twilit canyon

fallow citrus
#

the copium stocks are high

golden plover
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golden plover
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It's not as big as DS, but it's a 5/5 flying, lifelink, first strike and has a backup plan if it gets hit with removal

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Or even [[The Ancient One]]

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golden plover
#

Feels like there's better targets

#

Hmm theorying this for standard now with [[The Sierrma]]

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No card found for “The Sierrma”

golden plover
#

[[The Seriema]]

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Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
When The Seriema enters, search your library for a legendary creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 7+.)
7+ | Flying
Other tapped legendary creatures you control have indestructible.
5/5

golden plover
#

Esper Legends

sleek ferry
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ancient one is the answer for standard

golden plover
#

Yeah, I think the idea is esper Legends

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But I'm also not sold on that play outside of standard

sleek ferry
#

I think the play is bad even within standard

#

if abigale had flash, it would slot right into azorius tempo

#

but alas

golden plover
#

I mean there's potential for an esper legends toolbox deck

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But I don't think it's gonna be tier 0 or anything

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Seriema means you can search whatever you're missing

fallow citrus
#

I don't think the post was that deep

sleek ferry
#

I also imagine abigale is a big reason why we got hex

tardy echo
#

Also did anyone see the new rhys

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That seems a little good to me

sleek ferry
#

post it

glad peak
#

The new shadow fits perfectly into the old shadow shell without the weakness of all shadows dying to solitude

tardy echo
glad peak
#

A few years too late I’m afraid

sleek ferry
#

oh rhys the evermore? What's good about this

tardy echo
#

Etb give persist on flash seems idk

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Like something

fallow citrus
#

it's a cute combo with some of the evokers

#

for 4 mana you too can flicker grief in standard

sleek ferry
#

yeah but the new evokers are actually balanced

#

so no more double grief plays

fallow citrus
#

yeah thank god

sleek ferry
#

shout out to notorious struggling rogue deck prime titan finally getting some tools it needs to be able to compete

subtle sierra
#

the thing about this is like

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why not use the instant blink from the same set

fallow citrus
#

so you can get a death trigger

subtle sierra
#

ig the body but

sleek ferry
#

blink on a body will always have more agency

tardy echo
#

And sometimes the death trigger matters

subtle sierra
#

it's technically a 1/1 cause the thing returns with a -1/-1

golden plover
#

Crazy pro tour cards

sleek ferry
#

that Ocelot Pride is crazy

golden plover
#

Can do full bling energy

#

They HATE him

sudden lava
#

No video to go with the decklists

sleek ferry
#

endurance and fury reprint pog

golden plover
#

Holy shit this Sol Ring

#

Both are sick

sleek ferry
#

both these decks are solid

#

the 5 color one will probably be scalped to hell though

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so i would recommend picking that one up asap

#

if you can

sudden lava
#

Jegantha reprint

fallow citrus
#

Yeah I'm probably going to get the elemental deck ngl

#

I'm a sucker for 5c slop

sudden lava
sleek ferry
#

they reprinted liek 4-5 of the 20 most popular commanders in that 5c deck lol

fallow citrus
#

oh wow

#

endurance and fury in that deck

sudden lava
#

several things you'll have to replace if you want to use Jeg as a companion

fallow citrus
#

didn't expect that honestly

tardy echo
fallow citrus
#

the most played out boring decks are the ones I love most

#

big landfall enjoyer

tardy echo
#

Holy my brethren

fallow citrus
#

and ashling is just putting tokens of dead elementals on board but it's going to be peak

tardy echo
#

I loved Omnath because it’s the perfect mix of multi color slop and landfall slop

fallow citrus
#

🙏

lusty trench
#

The -1 -1 counters deck randomly getting chimil is funny

fallow citrus
#

I've found my people

tardy echo
#

You’re safe with me

#

Also I know Jegantha is one of the stronger companions but I also can literally count the number of times I’ve seen it hit the board on 2 hands

#

I feel like half the time I see it added and then just discarded icant

sleek ferry
#

Don't forget that Jegantha got banned just for being an easily accessible body icant

tardy echo
#

Banned for being a 5 mana 5/5 worrysad

sleek ferry
#

constructed magic can be so funny sometimes

tardy echo
#

Bro Dunkin pmo and messed up my order todays reveals better be sick as fuck or else I’m blowing up premodern @sleek ferry

sleek ferry
fallow citrus
#

only times I ever jegantha'd was when I played sisay

#

getting it to hit the field was just a win

tardy echo
#

There’s a difference between messing up an order and verbally confirming something to then give me a completely different thing

#

And then charging me for the more expensive original thing

sleek ferry
#

It's the same as when I tell them my name at Starbucks is Dario, and when I get my cup, it says "Michael"

tardy echo
#

I ordered iced chai and they gave me a hot latte

#

💔

#

Like how

fallow citrus
#

wait holy speaking of sisay

#

this card is bonkers in it

tardy echo
#

Yeah this card is tight

sleek ferry
#

Wait that card is sick

tardy echo
#

It’s also actually a really good piece for simic in general

fallow citrus
#

me when my 5c commander has hexproof and gets +5 power from this tapping

tardy echo
#

Protects the really fragile pieces you need to go off

sleek ferry
#

These new age students are broken, unlike irl where new age students give me job security :^)

tardy echo
#

But yeah

fallow citrus
#

yeah

#

either way it's broken

tardy echo
#

Cool card

#

I like how they remembered green is supposed to be able to protect its stuff

fallow citrus
#

where did you order from

#

oh this is a good pair for the ability loss creature

glad peak
#

Yep, that’s the new shadow that slots well into the old shadow list

#

Well, old shadow + drc + fomo + goyf of course

tardy echo
#

Wait

#

I just realized that vibrance is sylvan scrying

#

Any land not just basics we are JOE BACK

fallow citrus
#

the card is genuinely fucked in titan

#

kills magus of the moon off of summoner's pact and also fetches any land for 2 mana

twilit canyon
#

someone at wotc card design plays titan

fallow citrus
#

I would be shocked if they didn't

glad peak
#

To be fair it’s actually pretty difficult to get GG in Titan without already having 4 mana and that’s the point you should be winning

#

Killing magus off pact is the most useful mode here

tardy echo
tardy echo
zinc shard
past socket
#

We are so back

sleek ferry
past socket
#

Ajani broing out with the Kithkin

tardy echo
#

So we have 1 more planeswalker left then right

sleek ferry
#

Why 1 more

#

Were 3 confirmed?

#

Oko being double sided doesn’t count as 2?

tardy echo
#

And as for oko I have no idea if they count that as 2 or not

#

I’d hope not because he’s a little underwhelming

#

Were mdfc pws counted as 2 separate ones in sets before

past socket
#

Thought it was 2?

fallow citrus
#

well I mean it's fine

#

it's just [[skrelv's hive]] but it can nuke a tapped dude

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sleek ferry
#

I should be able to
Tap my planeswalkers for waterbending costs

#

I can’t wait to see what Wrenn and Six and Seven does

fallow citrus
#

well you can tap the dudes for waterbending

sleek ferry
#

Not enough sadly

#

Not when spyglass siren and inspector are 2 for 1’s

tardy echo
lusty trench
fallow citrus
#

ahh sure

#

my locals doesnt have it up for preorder yet so I was hoping it was an online store lmao

stark skiff
#

wow a chimil reprint

#

necroskitter was also geting up there

stark skiff
#

Some stuff for @atomic harness to look at when he gets on

sudden lava
gritty nest
tardy echo
#

Oh it’s commander only

#

Sad!

sleek ferry
tardy echo
#

Sigh it could’ve been cool in uh idk

#

If it was a pauper card CoolSmile

#

The format without planeswalkers…

zinc shard
zinc shard
subtle sierra
golden plover
#

Thinking about it in standard rn. How could Lessons remove [[Elenda, Saint of Dusk]]

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golden plover
#

They can only boomerang basics her, yeah?

subtle sierra
#

If she's not buffed, irohs

#

Otherwise yeah, keep delaying the problem with boomer

golden plover
#

Yeah I'm toying with that esper legends idea with Abigale and I think Elenda wins the game against lessons

subtle sierra
#

wow i'm just doing quests in non ranked just please fucking stop countering my spells

#

it's a fucking stab on my own creature

#

please

golden plover
#

This card is gonna be annoying to have to correct people on at prerelease

subtle sierra
#

uh wdym

golden plover
#

None of the abilities can target the token

#

Oh you actually can't use this on an empty board

golden plover
#

Why is this another lol

#

It's a 5 mana 1/4, feels like it should've been able to target itself

copper pecan
#

agreed

golden plover
#

Oh no my 1/4 gave itself +2/+2 for 5 mana

#

Ohh

storm elbow
golden plover
#

But we don't have those on Lorwyn

storm elbow
#

Only -1/-1?

trail anvil
#

that said this art is adorable as hell

lusty trench
#

This shit ain't even a combat trick its a sorcery 💀

golden plover
#

Literally only the Izzet one is an instant for some reason

#

(The reason is Izzet bias)

lusty trench
#

Crazy how theres not a single good kithkin in this set, they must be keeping things in line with how they were before

lusty trench
#

Looking at the elemental precon there isnt a lot else I wouldve put in there creature wise which is nice to see for once

#

Flamekin harbringer is all that comes to mind

fallow citrus
#

I probably would put the other mh2 elementals in

lusty trench
#

Ehh subtlety and grief arent great in commander

#

Solitude is fine but prolly too expensive for what you want

fallow citrus
#

I think subtlety and solitude would have been fine to add

#

grief I think is fine just bc if you have ashling out you do a hymnn to tourach on someone

#

other than that it's fine, maybe a couple mana dorks

#

could play nissa too to dig for more elementals

golden plover
#

Oh true Nissa would've been good

lusty trench
#

Nissa I think works best the lighter on the card types youre on

#

But for reprint value sure

fallow citrus
#

idk I think it's still fine

#

it's guaranteed to hit an elemental if you don't play elf dorks in your deck

zinc shard
twilit canyon
#

no evasion whatsoever though

zinc shard
#

stonks day\

sleek ferry
#

Or ward 1

twilit canyon
#

agreed

#

something to make it... a bit more nuanced

sudden lava
glad peak
#

i wish it was protection instead of hexproof

#

because it would be funnier

sleek ferry
zinc shard
#

My headcannon is they tried, but the phyrexian oil just slipped off its skin

zinc shard
#

Ashling is getting an errata so it's first ability only works with permanents

glad peak
#

I thought evoke was only available for permanents but I guess not

#

Havent read the rules text of it

zinc shard
#

Its probably just for clarification

lusty trench
#

Its just they never actually let them have evoke because its not really in the mechanics theming

gritty nest
#

5 elemental noncreature cards total and only 2 are higher cost, 1 is 4 cost and buns because it cares about clashing

#

wouldnt have been the end of the world to let the noncreatures have evoke for silly reasons tbh

#

even if it doesnt fit what evoke is meant to be

lusty trench
sleek ferry
#

For the first time ever I got to activate [[avatar kuruk]] extra turn effect

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#

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I, II — Scry 2, then draw a card.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kuruk
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Whenever you cast a spell, create a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token with "This token can't block or be blocked by non-Spirit creatures."
Exhaust — Waterbend mana20: Take an extra turn after this one. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for mana1. Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
4/3

sleek ferry
#

Guy was so mad he roped me

glad peak
#

wtf is that boardstate monkaGIGA

gritty nest
#

the commander christmas land board

tardy echo
#

Crib swap reprint btw

#

Not sure if it’ll actually see play this time but it’s a white removal spell with no conditions attached plink

#

Languish but sort of worse eggy

#

@twilit canyon we are joe back

subtle sierra
#

Cake we had this like 3 days ago icant

sleek ferry
#

Did we? I didn’t see it

subtle sierra
#

There's a reason i posted the scryfall link icant

#

I can't just post 50 cards a day

sleek ferry
#

Smh says who

subtle sierra
#

This one has it listed as 2 days ago

#

With full art a day ago

tardy echo
#

Let me have fun

sleek ferry
#

Lorwyn draft is looking mighty swingy ngl

subtle sierra
#

I'm still waiting for azorius incarnation

tardy echo
#

Holy I didn’t realize bloom tender was still that expensive

subtle sierra
#

Rn i don't really see anything i can use in bant combo in the set besides the 2 mana blink

#

Well beside shocks

sleek ferry
#

Anything that buffs lessons besides steam vents?

tardy echo
#

There’s probably gonna be an izzet evoker we haven’t seen yet

sleek ferry
#

We also haven’t gotten the izzet elemental yet right?

tardy echo
#

Yeah

sleek ferry
#

Get out of my head

tardy echo
#

There’s also some cute blue stuff but idk if it would be worth

subtle sierra
#

Which i doubt

sleek ferry
#

Nah, just trying to think where the meta will shift. Izzet might just end up with the looting variant being better

tardy echo
#

You prob play spell snare

twilit canyon
tardy echo
#

Green is getting huge ups this set

sleek ferry
#

Badgermole cub decks got a buff yeah, card might actually be decent finally

tardy echo
#

Sylvan scrying on a stick naturalize on a stick wotc heard my cries worrysad

#
  • bloom is back
subtle sierra
#

I wonder if the new nature's rhythm does anything with badger

tardy echo
#

It seems like a pretty good card

#

It’s the same pricing as green suns zenith but with a condition

subtle sierra
#

Ye

tardy echo
#

Tho I guess green sun has some notably much better targets that it can hit bc of dryad

subtle sierra
#

Sadly idt it's worth in my deck specifically but it sounds ok in others

sleek ferry
#

You already know what decks I’m playing day 1; rakdos goblins baby

tardy echo
#

I will not rest until I can play ramp in standard again

sleek ferry
#

You could do that right now

subtle sierra
#

That's why cake is resting rn

sleek ferry
#

He definitely has his eyes closed

golden plover
#

Why the fuck is this a 7 mana sorcery

#

This shit sucks ass

sudden lava
#

Saw some people on twitter realize Jace's daughter is in the set

sleek ferry
#

Jace's daughter is about to inherit years of Jace hate

glad peak
#

Why is Jace’s daughter a mom clearly

sleek ferry
#

Tf you mean affinity for forests

glad peak
#

Yep, many many times

tardy echo
#

I hope that we see prime time reprint in standard okbuddy

tardy echo
#

Tam question mark

#

Green blue gorgon seems pretty jace coded

glad peak
#

Jace coded half of her all right

glad peak
golden plover
#

THIS IS FUCKING NUTS WHAT

copper pecan
#

seems pretty good

glad peak
#

sigh the cube white 2 drop slot doesn't have much space left

#

at least it's not the 4 drop slot

golden plover
#

T1 [[Stadium Headliner]]

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golden plover
#

T3 you get a free enduring innocence

#

If you've got a delney out it's 2 guys

#

The boros fire bender deck was missing something in standard

#

It's this

golden plover
#

Why are they looking at me like that

#

I don't like them

#

This one is a friend tho

#

Man all these commands suck

fallow citrus
#

there was one fine one

#

issue is they're just too high cmc for what they do

tardy echo
#

Still waiting for the eirdu one Prayge

fallow citrus
#

perfect chance for them to make the eirdu one to do day/nightbound back into standard

tardy echo
#

They should’ve let you pick the same mode twice for these

golden plover
golden plover
tardy echo
#

Commands historically aren’t kindreds either clearly

golden plover
#

True

#

Honestly that might be why these all suck?

fallow citrus
#

possibly

golden plover
#

They might have way overvalued how much kindred benefits them

#

Like cool you can search the elf and goblin commands

fallow citrus
#

they should have just used this as a chance to reprint or powercreep cryptic command

golden plover
#

Doesn't make me wanna spend 6 to pop a guy and make another Llanowar Elves

fallow citrus
#

if it makes another elves then really it's just 5 mana

golden plover
#

Why didn't I think of that

#

And you used an elves to play it

#

So really it's 4 mana

tardy echo
#

Technically the ashling command is 3 mana to do one thing bleh

#

If you have goldspan dragon it’s really 1 mana…

golden plover
#

The Ashling command is also an instant for some reason

#

Dunno why the others arent

fallow citrus
#

the merfolk one would be playable if it were an instant

tardy echo
#

I didn’t realize the others weren’t lol why are these like this

#

I remember the kithkin one not seeming terrible

golden plover
#

The kithkin one is like playable but it has anti-synergy with itself

#

None of the modes do anything that helps it really

#

Also it cares about kithkin so it's bad lol

tardy echo
#

Well yeah that’s the unfortunate part

#

They also made a one sided fight spell for green but i feel those haven’t been good in a while

lusty trench
#

Wall of ba sing se

lusty trench
golden plover
tardy echo
# lusty trench

If I have 3 2 toughness guys can I blight 1 on each of them

tardy echo
#

Ok

#

Cool card

golden plover
#

You technically blight yourself

tardy echo
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But it’s sorcery worrysad

golden plover
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So you can spread it however much you want

tardy echo
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I wasn’t sure with the wording if each counter had to go on one creature

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Esp bc this one says u can’t blight more than the greatest

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Oh but that’s why

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I see

golden plover
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If you've got a 3/3 and 2/2 you can blight up to 5

fallow citrus
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you can blight my little chud son 1/1 token for like -30/-30

tardy echo
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But if I have like a 0/8 and a 1/1 can I blight 7 and just put it all on 1 guy?

tardy echo
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I hope he dies

fallow citrus
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he will with all those -1/-1 counters

golden plover
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Yeah, your blight number just has to be equal to an amount of counters you can make

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So if you've got an 80/80 you can blight for 80

tardy echo
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Okok this seems actually not terrible

glad peak
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More blight than the amount of potatoes I’m hoarding NyanGun

tardy echo
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Kind of a commander card though

golden plover
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It's not bad, but sorcery does hurt

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Cute with a wall of ba sing sei if you've got 1000 million mana tho

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Good for the jund precon ig

glad peak
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I’m interested to see how tayam decks look after this

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The main issue with tayam is the balance between gaining counters and not, with you playing drive bad cards specifically for the counters

tardy echo
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Oh also

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Unsure if people saw

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This seems good question mark

golden plover
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Counterspell with set mechanic

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I can see it being standard playable

tardy echo
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Counterspell if you kill a guy with it

golden plover
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Oh and it's pauper legal

tardy echo
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Also they printed blue beans…

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But it’s 4 mana…

fallow citrus
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beanstalk....

golden plover
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Beanstalk more like fleemstalk

fallow citrus
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three steps

tardy echo
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Feels better than nml at least icant