Magic the Gathering

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/286/tolaria-west

Tolaria West

Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with mana value 0, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)

[atomic harness]

is there a tolaria east

[glad peak]

we don't talk about north tolaria

[atomic harness]

long ago the four tolarias lived together in harmony

[[pendrell vale]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me3/212/the-tabernacle-at-pendrell-vale

The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

Legendary Land
All creatures have "At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy this creature unless you pay ."

[atomic harness]

They should put tolarian academy in the game changers list

You can play cradle and sanctum but not it

[stark skiff]

Oh East? I thought you said Weast

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nd7ZvL4fiig?si=y7K3o7k5ocgpE1d5

[copper pecan]

thinking about [[girl in the fireplace]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/who/21/the-girl-in-the-fireplace

The Girl in the Fireplace <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Create a 1/1 white Human Noble creature token with vanishing 3 and "Prevent all damage that would be dealt to this token."
II — Create a 2/2 white Horse creature token with "Doctors you control have horsemanship." (They can't be blocked except by creatures with horsemanship.)
III — Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player this turn, time travel.

[copper pecan]

what an absolute dogshit design

completely incoherent

[golden plover]

I assumed this makes sense based on the episode?

[copper pecan]

sure but like

what kind of gameplay is this card supposed to result in

also it uses 4 different nonevergreen mechanics and only uses reminder text for 2 of them

[golden plover]

Yeah it's really a mess of a card lol

The horse token is also really weird out of context

Why doctors?

[subtle sierra]

cause only the doctor rides the horse during the episode

that's my only guess

also the card creates a noble token for what i assume is madamme de pompadour but why does she vanish but the horse stays?

[golden plover]

The horse is real and she's a ghost

I guess?

I'm just assuming

[subtle sierra]

they're both real

ig it's because she dies in the end but the doctor leaves the horse at the party so he passes away eventually anyway

appearance wise the horse is gone first actually

so like lol

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/i/status/1998866944020369503

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09)

If McDonald’s was able to open restaurants in Japan and not fail, you too can play that very difficult deck without reps in a tournament. Impossible is nothing!

X · Dec 10, 2025, 9:26 PM

[tardy echo]

Imagine reading any of the words on this card without knowing about doctor who

U would think this shit was written by a child

Also what does time travel even do

Reminder text for horsemanship and not the other 2 mechanics

[trail anvil]

adds or removes time counters iirc (such as with suspend)

[tardy echo]

Yeah I just checked

It’s only specifically on suspended cards

Actually nvm just any time counters I misread

[trail anvil]

wait what it is? could've sworn it worked on time counters on the field too lmao

okay I was gonna say it was forgettable but yeah

[tardy echo]

What a bizarre mechanic

And it’s only on like 10 cards I feel we didn’t need to make it an entire mechanic to never use it again

[subtle sierra]

Tbf, time travel is on a few other cards in the precon iirc

They just ran out of space and did a konami

Just like they konami'd aang swift savior

He has airbend explanation text but not waterbend

[subtle sierra]

alternate reality ygo trap deck

[golden plover]

Launched arena for the first time in like 4 days and I'm already sick of seeing gran-gran. Is this the only deck people play now?

[trail anvil]

sounds like it's time to main board graveyard hate

[golden plover]

I'm just gonna stick to reanimator

We're favored game 1 against lessons and Simic shit

Dimir kicks our ass tho

[subtle sierra]

The screenshot above is also a grandma deck

[sleek ferry]

Just play sultai, the lesson matchup is easy

[subtle sierra]

How so?

[sleek ferry]

Lessons can’t control the Sultai board, sultai just goes over the top

Lessons needs multiple monuments in play to stabilize and win

Or just hope the sultai player whiffs a decent amount

Which can/does happen

[tardy echo]

Graveyard hate isn’t actually that good if you can’t actually kill them

I’ve seen a lot of games where lantern resolves multiple times and they still lose

[glad peak]

play sultai mill and force them into the manfield situation

more likely than not they'll misplay and lose

[tardy echo]

I’m pretty sure the izzet aggro deck/prowess both do pretty well into lessons though

And reanimator yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah imma just stick to reanimator since it's good into lessons and Simic

[subtle sierra]

It's funny how my tempo thing is fine into endurance builds but sucks absolute ass into the budget build

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1448711962874740949/IMG_1816.jpg?ex=693c41a7&is=693af027&hm=d5b2ea6e8fac2b44cb671e9fd43eda3e7c03beb4fc91b63d48d1aa182e3e7904&=&format=webp&width=573&height=800

new mechanic

[atomic harness]

Blight is crazy

[tardy echo]

This is sick

Probably a commander card though

[atomic harness]

I like it little one

what is ECL though

[tardy echo]

?

[atomic harness]

Uhh the setcode

[tardy echo]

Eclipse

(Lorwyn)

[atomic harness]

Oh right duh

[tardy echo]

Silly renren

[atomic harness]

[tardy echo]

Actually the elf theme is in teenage mutant ninja turtles

Hope this helps

[atomic harness]

I'm gonna put this in my shredder elf deck

[tardy echo]

Hello hymn to tourach

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1448720101762273351/image.png?ex=693c493c&is=693af7bc&hm=ce5f782e37b9b1746486c565fd6b2c4f4680d39ba790f369adcd15f0c91816e9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=577&height=804

[copper pecan]

👀

[sudden lava]

Trigger Morcant to blight
Make a large amount of elves
Trigger Morcant
rinse repeat

if you cast flourishing first you wont even need another elf to start the loop

oh wait blight is only 1 creature, still the end result is their board is wiped and you have a lot of elves. Enjoy

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EULBR54g9oo

This is EVIL

[tardy echo]

Old lorwyn sets had a couple random -1/-1 counter cards

[steady onyx]

i assume no one here wants to look thru a draft sim i did right

[glad peak]

Probably not but an interesting draft is an interesting draft

[steady onyx]

im just trying to get better at drafting

lol

this card seems insane

[subtle sierra]

village? yes

[glad peak]

I like mechanist, self fuels and there’s good noncreatures in the set

But village is a cube staple

For good reason

[steady onyx]

no

i didnt take village tho

idk

I did 2 diff draft sims

these were my p1p1

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBDFd1qJQ8

[glad peak]

I think I’d prefer zuko or Sun warriors here

[steady onyx]

i like the second draft I did MUCH better

i feel like this pool came out insnae

3 quench

3 first time flier

god this deck looks sick

[glad peak]

In most retail draft formats I don’t like quench

[steady onyx]

retail?

[glad peak]

Draft formats that aren’t much more powerful than the average set

[steady onyx]

hm

idk

i guess so

[atomic harness]

It'll quench ya

Mudkip I miss azorius miracles

[steady onyx]

renren u should train me to draft

[atomic harness]

I have zero draft experience

[glad peak]

You didn’t even playing when miracles was a deck

[atomic harness]

Don't worry about that smh

[steady onyx]

well then play son

i will teach u

pack 1 pick 1

draft the land out the pack!

[steady onyx]

maybe zuko but idk, i was watching content about drafts and a point was brought up to try to stay 1 color so if u hit another bomb u can splash for it or just play 2c, but idt sun warrios is that much fo a bomb to do that idk

[glad peak]

It all depends on your read of the format

Some slower formats sun warriors is absolutely a bomb, but in fast formats they don’t do anything

[steady onyx]

next draft

[trail anvil]

nevermind I severely misread this card

[subtle sierra]

ye it's one counter and not a counter on all creatures

[trail anvil]

not sure how to evaluate this one tbh

yeah I was gonna say that seems like a 6 mana card 😭

that said the number in this hints towards stronger blighting. can't wait for the blight x board wipe 👀

[subtle sierra]

blight as a boardwipe sounds meh ngl

like

unless it's blight X twice

like if say it's like XBB for blight X, that's like kills one creature for 4 mana

actually fuck it, it wouldn't be worth unless you triple the X prob

[tardy echo]

Did u ping me

Grrr

[trail anvil]

no totally not

[tardy echo]

Was it me saying commander card

Idk it very much reads like something you would play there and nowhere else

Lathiril but a control deck instead

[trail anvil]

yeah it's a commander card most likely

[tardy echo]

Unless lorwyn reprints priest of Titania into standard I can’t imagine it would be much else

Modern elves play at a much faster pace than this card

[atomic harness]

Does freyalise herself have a card

(unrelated)

[tardy echo]

Multiple

She’s a planeswalker

[atomic harness]

Oh huh

[tardy echo]

[[freyalise voice of nature]]

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No card found for “freyalise voice of nature”

[tardy echo]

What’s her name

Grrr

[[llanowars fury]] [[skyshroud partisan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/290/freyalise-llanowars-fury

Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Freyalise
+2: Create a 1/1 green Elf Druid creature token with ": Add ."
−2: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
−6: Draw a card for each green creature you control.
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury can be your commander.
Loyalty: 3

https://scryfall.com/card/j21/26/freyalise-skyshroud-partisan

Freyalise, Skyshroud Partisan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Freyalise
+1: Untap up to one target Elf. That Elf and a random Elf creature card in your hand perpetually get +1/+1.
−1: Seek an Elf card.
−6: Conjure a card named Regal Force onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 4

[atomic harness]

Word

[golden plover]

Lmao just watched an opponent mull to 2 to keep a Leyline of the void on me like I wasn't holding an awaken the honored dead

[trail anvil]

do people forget that decks can just play the game without abusing a certain mechanic too

[vivid hatch]

huh

[glad peak]

Yep, that’s why people look at me crazy when I hard cast archons after they kept a hand of only grave hate

[twilit canyon]

losing to frog and phelia with a hard cast solitude and using overlord as a 5/5 beater suddenly way less funny when your hand is full of grave hate

[sleek ferry]

knowing when to mull a playable hand and when to keep a fragile hand has a skill gap

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1449072292775854171/image.png?ex=693d913d&is=693c3fbd&hm=dc818f914715efcc31b49ccb5da9b736bb450cc0e87f6976238cda0416448af0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=666&height=930

[sleek ferry]

New legendary character?

[tardy echo]

What does his name mean am I stupid

First-year what

And also since when are there vampires on lorwyn that work for elves

Cool card though

[golden plover]

He's a Strixhaven student

[tardy echo]

Why are there strixhaven students in lorwyn

Did I miss something

[sleek ferry]

I mean Lorwyn does lead directly to Wilds of Strixhaven, maybe Lorwyn and Strixhaven are somewhat connected?

[golden plover]

Omenpaths

[rigid scarab]

https://youtu.be/QHkj7_U6FMA?si=XZ56xOmKNyRVXSRi

Finally the big man spreads the word

[glad peak]

I thought he made this a couple months ago

I might be thinking of someone else

[sleek ferry]

I mean this is known

It’s why people who play strictly commander struggle with understanding proper triggers/stack order

[glad peak]

It’s known but it’s never been popular or accepted, especially with the boom of commander only players

[steady onyx]

tried another test draft

i rly fucking bad at draft

like I p1p1 earth kingdom jailer

and thend just tunnel visioned into white

and then pack with no white

got lightning strike

tunneled into boros

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QfhCBMMYSk

ashling having a southern accent was not something i expected

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/lPtJ3T7WGes?si=Ovkk_xkLj2LnZKeb

[sudden lava]

omenpaths

[sleek ferry]

The izzet looting deck is actually so much fun

It’s actually insane how quickly the deck gets out of hand

[glad peak]

Well yeah, cards keep leaving your hand

So of course deck gets out of hand

[sleek ferry]

Also, everybody is on gy hate now, so meta is adapting

I vsed this guy that was on main lantern

This other guy that was on multiple vacuums

A bunch of strategic betrayals

[glad peak]

Damn my pun didnt go through lol

[sleek ferry]

Nah I got it

I giggled in Spanish

Jajajaja

[vivid hatch]

new old shiny

[tardy echo]

I miss when this guy was the goat @twilit canyon

Now he’s in standard and doesn’t even see play

Also it feels odd that temur vitality is like randomly a super popular deck now

Like it benefits from badgermole but also it feels like it does so way less than basically any other combo deck in green could already make infinite mana turn 4

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/7KZ53eIK5ho?si=LkJQpjzay45iBzyQ

[sleek ferry]

Temur does a lot of things that lessons does but on a higher curve

The main advantage splashing green has rn imo, isn’t Badgermole, it’s the fact that artifact removal is at a premium rn

[trail anvil]

what a thumbnail

[sleek ferry]

Also I get to play my favorite card again [[cease // desist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/246/cease-desist

Cease <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabg:292901508863754241>

Instant
Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.

Desist
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.

[sleek ferry]

Both modes are good

[twilit canyon]

kind of the problem with waiting a turn cycle

[subtle sierra]

especially with lessons running like 12 cards that say eat shit

[sleek ferry]

Accumulate wisdom is going to end up eating it to nobody’s surprise

But other than that I think the meta is fine

[tardy echo]

The deck doesn’t even play artifact removal

Looking at successful popular lists it literally looks like the same ones from 3-6 months ago

But with badgermole

The side board is bigly different from but green side board was also pretty primo in those formats too

I get it’s a matchup thing etc but I guess I mostly just feel like surely there’s more that can be done with the deck then just playing the same cards + badgermole

I guess boomerang too actually

[subtle sierra]

temur doesn't eat shit to techs like clarion or thrull

bant in mirror also sides aven which fucks them up

it's mostly that the combo dies to different shit

and ppl didn't adapt sides

also it has stormchaser's looping as a second wincon

[tardy echo]

It kind of does if you aren’t siding with it in mind

Well not thrull but clarion cooks that deck

And it also loses to its fair share of incidental side hate

[subtle sierra]

oh right i forgot that they need mana abilities somehow

[sleek ferry]

This is speaking with the knowledge of the decks that are currently good post worlds tbf

Cease // desist for example becomes better in restrospect, because it’s gy hate that doubles as artifact/enchantment removal

[tardy echo]

Temur was also popular pre worlds

For the record I don’t think it’s a bad deck just idk

[sleek ferry]

I just think cease hitting both izzet and sultai in a significant way matters a lot

Sultai reanimator that is*

I think this opens up a path for other sultai builds/golgari

[copper pecan]

had a dream last night where they ported magic arena onto the ti84 graphing calculator

[subtle sierra]

you have a lot of weird dreams lately

[copper pecan]

ye i'm pretty sure it's a side effect of a medication i started taking recently

[subtle sierra]

[vivid hatch]

Tbhhh cuz burn is meta

I firmly believe

That in a meta without burn

Bob would see play in standard and pioneer

[tardy echo]

If that was true he’d prob be played right now

Burn is not a primo right now

The most aggressive deck in the format is simic

There was also the format right when they hit csc etc that wasn’t super burn heavy

The card advantage is just not what it used to be

And slower black midrange/control decks that appreciate extra draws will just always play altar now

Makes u win faster instead of lose faster

And it’s a high cmc enchantment so it’s harder to deal with than a 2/2/1

[subtle sierra]

altar?

you mean annex?

[tardy echo]

Same card

[subtle sierra]

well i was confused cause i thought of the black planet land

[tardy echo]

Sacrificial altar/unholy annex

[tardy echo]

Sicar secundi or whatever it’s called?

what does that card even do

[[void altar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/259/susur-secundi-void-altar

Susur Secundi, Void Altar

Land — Planet
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Planet. Station only as a sorcery.)
12+ | , , Pay 2 life, Sacrifice a creature: Draw cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power. Activate only as a sorcery.

[tardy echo]

Oh this is like almost half playable

If u had a deck that actually wanted it

[subtle sierra]

yeah the issue is that you're not getting to 12 points

[tardy echo]

I mean in like a mono black deck you would prob be able to station it

The other issue is like if you’re fully stationing and sacrificing a high power creature

You probably could’ve killed already

Especially when the biggest threat (stat wise) u often see out of mono black is the altar token

[subtle sierra]

that's mostly what i meant by not getting to 12

[subtle sierra]

damn fountain in addition to temple got hands

i really like this

[sudden lava]

fish

[vivid hatch]

auction w

[gritty nest]

$50 currently, order it now or wait?

[glad peak]

she can raise others but not herself shake my smh my head

i'd say order it now because no way it stays that price for a collector's item

[gritty nest]

true, thats my thoughts

apparently the bundles might hit costco but thats in the air currently

[fallow citrus]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2000253850926846111

winnie! (@wildstwawberry)

Me when I discard a card with Monument to Endurance on the field

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FixupX · Dec 14, 2025, 5:17 PM

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035028897177292871/1449980370941509754/image.png?ex=6940def3&is=693f8d73&hm=50a7b9ceb7065dd1508d95b04ccb6f82e0a74f0939c2e5457adc55f75ef4f29e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=448&height=613

should I build Orvar?

[past socket]

funny calamari friend

[trail anvil]

absolutely not lmao

unless you really want to build bracket 4 and go infinite at the drop of a hat

[atomic harness]

Tell her komi

Komi can communicate

[zinc shard]

play [[Mistform Ultimus]] instead. the superior Changeling

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/26/mistform-ultimus

Mistform Ultimus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
Mistform Ultimus is every creature type (even if this card isn't on the battlefield).
It may wear your face, but its mind is its own.
3/3

[glad peak]

Yeah there really isn’t a way to make orvar low power

It’s too easy to go infinite islands or infinite jewels with him

[copper pecan]

https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-teaser-before-previews

Blogatog

Maro’s Lorwyn Eclipsed Teaser

Before previews for Lorwyn Eclipsed officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my Duelist-style teasers where I give tiny hints of things to come. Note that I’m only giving you partial information.

First up, here are some things you can expect:

• a planeswalker that makes Kithkin creature tokens

• kindred reprints

• some counters in the set: charge, dream, flying, first strike, indestructible, and lifelink

• another card is the Thirst for ________ series

• another card that makes something a Coward

• a card that tutors every turn

• a new card that copies triggers

• a keyword introduced in 2025 returns

• a number of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block mechanics have cameos

• some tokens in the set: 1/1 colorless Shapeshifter, 1/1 blue/black Faerie, 2/2 black and green Elf, 3/3 green Elk, and 3/4 green Treefolk

Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:

• “As this artifact enters, choose Elemental, Elf, Faer...

Tumblr · Dec 15, 2025, 1:26 PM

[trail anvil]

didn't we already get the card that copies triggers? the boros strixhaven legendary

[copper pecan]

ye

[trail anvil]

I'd be psyched to see a more expensive maralen

[sudden lava]

The typal artifact has me interested

[glad peak]

We already got another thirst for card

Thirst for elves (which they accidentally named High Perfect Morcant)

[sleek ferry]

what keywords were introduced in 2025

warp, all the bendings

manifest?

[glad peak]

Nah manifest was in tarkir block

But manifest bread is technically new

[atomic harness]

station Mr thugs

[sleek ferry]

right station

[sleek ferry]

manifest bread

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-carl-wheezer-are-you-going-to-finish-that-croissant-croissant-cwasont-gif-21829791

[sudden lava]

Imagine if the new thirst for card has MBT on it

it wont, but it be funny

[[thirst for knowledge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/48/thirst-for-knowledge

Thirst for Knowledge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw three cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard an artifact card.
Tezzeret grinned as he realized Mm'menon was right: he had much to learn.

[glad peak]

Then mono blue Tron should tweak the deck to facilitate the usage of the thirst card with MBT’s face

[sudden lava]

wrong art bot

https://tcgplayer-cdn.tcgplayer.com/product/11376_in_1000x1000.jpg

[tardy echo]

Bitterblossom in standard ? @twilit canyon

[copper pecan]

yo is that yugioh content creator joseph "mono blue tron" rothschild?

[tardy echo]

Also isn’t card that tutors every turn just the emmanuel depraz card

Or does that only tutor on etb

[twilit canyon]

perhaps...

[tardy echo]

Only returning mechanic I can imagine is mobilize

[twilit canyon]

that said, bitterblossom is...

[tardy echo]

And uh i don’t remember all the og lorwyn mechanics

I guess whither

[copper pecan]

i think it's gonna be behold

[tardy echo]

Was behold not in the first tarkir block??

Crazy

[copper pecan]

there were a bunch of unkeyworded behold cards in the og lorwyn block and behold works really well with kindred

dragonstorm was the first set to keyword behold

[tardy echo]

Zamn

[tardy echo]

Bitterblossom is the most lit card ever and deserves to be an evergreen standard card

(And spellstutter sprite)

[glad peak]

I mean we already got that one spoiled

Behold wasn’t a keyword in tarkir block but in dragons of tarkir there were a bunch of cards that had the same rules text

Main reason why esper dragons was so good, they got og counterspell

[tardy echo]

Just got off the phone with maro. MH4 is getting soft launched next week and it’ll have ragavan 4, this time with haste @atomic harness

[glad peak]

Ragavan already has haste

[tardy echo]

Only if you cast him for 2

Now he’ll have haste no matter what and his modality will be uh. Encore

Everyone’s favorite keyword

[storm elbow]

Pretty sure monster hunter 4 already came out more than a decade ago

[glad peak]

But does monster hubter 4 have ragavan?

[storm elbow]

no, but i think it does have rajang, which is just as good

[glad peak]

Rajang? I think you mean mojang

[sudden lava]

Yep ;p

[subtle sierra]

behold an elf

[copper pecan]

how bout you behold deez nuts

gottem

[subtle sierra]

your dark magic doesn't work on me

behold this timeout

[sleek ferry]

You guys made me snap, crackle and pop

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/brawl-our-plans

[fallow citrus]

unexpected mtg time
https://fixupx.com/i/status/2000594825536737598

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FixupX · Dec 15, 2025, 3:52 PM

[glad peak]

wait huh?

also kiara's gonna perform near me? huh

[trail anvil]

@tardy echo @twilit canyon aren't we probably not getting bitterblossom since we're getting bitterblossom on a body?

[trail anvil]

also is the mechanic not just exhaust since it was in Avatar too

[tardy echo]

Shhhhh

[zinc shard]

Bitterblossom is most likely gonna be a Special Guest

[zinc shard]

TL;DR They're doing an all access Brawl Metagame event starting tomorrow. Previously banned cards are legal, only banned cards are on this list. The free commander spells (Fierce Guardianship, etc.) are legal

[trail anvil]

yuriko unbanned 👀

[copper pecan]

they unbanned yaoiko...

[glad peak]

Yuriko’s fine in 1v1

Punishes noncreature decks, forces interaction or creatures, it’s completely fine

[trail anvil]

she's pretty damn strong in brawl even if you can't go for simple lines like thoracle consult

you typically run a massive suite of interaction while your commander always costs 2, and a lot of that interaction can be cheap or free since you can sac yuriko for free

wait a fucking second you can go for thoracle consult in this event?

[copper pecan]

yeah i'm gonna be real this event does not look fun

[glad peak]

Yuriko’s fine in that it makes all uninteractive and noncreature decks worse just by existing but yes when she gets going she’s very strong

I fully expect yuriko to dominate in a field where people only want to try out combo decks but eventually fade out as people move to builds with more blockers

[trail anvil]

if they focus on go wide you mean? then sure I could see it

ig some 4c partner pairing like thrasios vial smasher would be most reliable

[glad peak]

Not just go wide but even just 2-3 creatures on board with pressure is enough to stop yuriko completely

[trail anvil]

shouldn't be if you run enough ninjas usually

or if you purposefully kill her with a cheap flying attacker

[glad peak]

Ninjas are usually expensive so that won’t be too big of an issue, you can just outvalue her if you’re playing any creature based deck

She can fight back with thoracle consult, sure, but that’s the nut case if she doesn’t get enough flips

Alt, you can give her a free hit to get her on board, slam a blocker, and she won’t be able to attack ever again (at least without a large cost)

[trail anvil]

you typically sac her or pay 1-2 mana for another cheap ninjutsu cost

sac + cheap flyer is a typical loop with that deck, and you can remove a blocker with something like [[bone shards]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/76/bone-shards

Bone Shards <:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature or discard a card.
Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
In the Kathari dumping grounds known as the Boneheaps, its not hard to improvise an offense.

[trail anvil]

go wide specifically ends up being able to chump her especially if they have reach

[fallow citrus]

bruuuuh

have to wait soo long for this to drop

[golden plover]

Yeah this thing is already fully ready. I dunno why they're waiting until March

People literally have this deck already

[fallow citrus]

yeah it's so annoying

if it's more than £100 I'm going to go insane

[golden plover]

Oh you know it will be

I think it was $120 at magic cons if you didn't play in the event

[fallow citrus]

crazy

[golden plover]

Also, the list has some wonky ass decisions

[[Capture of Jingzhou]] needs to be cut immediately

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/79/capture-of-jingzhou

Capture of Jingzhou <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Take an extra turn after this one.
The province of Jingzhou was the fulcrum of the three kingdoms. At separate times it was coveted and controlled by the Wu, the Shu, and the Wei.

[fallow citrus]

yeah I only really want it for the nice arts

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8Ljke3aoAE-9Tv?format=jpg&name=medium

Ok this one is actually funny

[tardy echo]

They wanna show all the mtga andys what real commander is about

Everyone complained that brawl was too high power after arena anthology and they wanna correct the record by telling you it’s not high power enough

[twilit canyon]

best deck is some ub/x pile

arena doesnt has fow, so its optimal to combo on your opponent's turn

borne upon or emergence zone -> thoracle consult

[trail anvil]

that's why I'm thinking thras + tymna/vial smasher or yuriko are best, the former just plays all the best cards on arena and the latter has high pressure with a combo finisher

low-key they shouldn't have banned the commanders just to see what kind of environment would proliferate with the unbans

I really don't think oko should've stayed banned

[twilit canyon]

its tymna thrasios

red gives very little in 1v1

dockside is so bad into current arena

yuriko is garbage

dont bother

oko is absolutely way too low powered for this

[sudden lava]

so what we think this will be?

[golden plover]

Almost certainly exhaust or behold

[fallow citrus]

behold an elf or faerie probably

[subtle sierra]

or both

i could see behold being multiple common types in the set

behold a kithkin

[glad peak]

Behold a changeling

[twilit canyon]

behold, a man

[glad peak]

behold, i am now a man

[sudden lava]

I would like to see behold yeah

[trail anvil]

haven't they basically used behold on those typal dual lands or was that not lorwyn

like the treefolk one

[glad peak]

They have, it’s not the only time they’ve done it

The treefolk one is the only non-dual one lol

[trail anvil]

o

right that's the tricolor one

[subtle sierra]

i wanted to check how those lands looked and

wtf are old lands

hideaway land? crazy

tapped land but can be any color twice?

[glad peak]

Fun fact

Hideaway has that errata because it was supposed to be land only

[subtle sierra]

huh i wondered why the land enters tapped thing was in the reminder text

[sudden lava]

alright I think I can stop rerolling, got the double earthbending matters deck in jumpAvatar

[vivid hatch]

Do I trade my zen rufoil tarn + 35 bucks ( NM I guess ) for a Beckett 9 one

Guy local to me wants to crack his slab to play with, but he asked if anyone would be willing to trade a raw one + cost of grading

…I happen to have an excess copy in a binder

Raw card is worth ~700 or so fwiw

I own 0 slabbed cards as of now

But I feel like this is objectively a good deal?

Especially considering it’s sitting in a binder

[gritty nest]

depends on how much you want to deal with a slabbed card

[vivid hatch]

I guess but in terms of market value

A card worth 700 in NM or SP+ condition raw

Probably over 735 in BGS 9?

[gritty nest]

thats up to you

[vivid hatch]

Meh

Honestly, I’m considering just doing it for the guy

[gritty nest]

fair

[vivid hatch]

It’s my fifth tarn

I don’t need it for anything

So at least he gets some value out of the slab

While, for me, it’s probably a good deal

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1450324616219459624/t3gy1sitwc7g1.png?ex=69421f8e&is=6940ce0e&hm=981579de077d2f88e95ac0b9a458ce6b569e356ca12dd536786b7dd7b6efbf3d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=668&height=930

who the fuck is this

[glad peak]

A card from hit game magic the gathering

[copper pecan]

the next time we go to innistrad they should make sewer men a faction

[glad peak]

huh pretty cool, mid cloud + skullclamp draws 4

[rigid scarab]

Card is called "dodge"
Is a sorcery
Slow as fuck
Can't dodge shit

[sudden lava]

could be the same or a similar card

cuz it does say the creature type chosen

[zinc shard]

you think 11 anthems is too many for a token aggro deck?

[trail anvil]

constructed or 100 card singleton?

[zinc shard]

edh

[trail anvil]

yeah probably. anthems typically won't progress your gameplan unless you have the token generation exclusively in the command zone, and even then you probably don't want to overly rely on your commander

which commander is this for?

[zinc shard]

[[Suki, Kyoshi Captain]] was using the random commander function on EDHREC and decided to throw something together

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tle/85/suki-kyoshi-captain

Suki, Kyoshi Captain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
Other Warriors you control get +1/+1.
: Attacking Warriors you control gain double strike until end of turn.
"The silk thread symbolizes the brave blood that flows through our veins. The gold insignia represents the honor of the warrior's heart."
3/3

[trail anvil]

oh definitely not then, especially considering they're already getting +1/+1 and double strike

[trail anvil]

memory lapse on duress

[golden plover]

My sewer boys! That's backpack or whisper

Not sure which

They're gay culture

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/phloiddesign/status/2000634429069516896?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Phloiddesign (@phloiddesign)

Big news! I’m working with Wizards of the Coast to share that the Secret Lair Dandân Deck drops in March 2026! Keep an eye on https://t.co/qzZj4E1Fzq when March rolls around. Don’t forget!

X · Dec 15, 2025, 6:29 PM

I know at least 1 of you was on the lookout for this

[zinc shard]

If you're going to do the Brawl Meta game challenge, there's apparently a bug where if you back out before finishing your deck, it won't let you edit it. And if you have less then 100 cards it won't let you pair with anyone

[sleek ferry]

bug if true

[golden plover]

Welp... Reality Fracture is ||confirmed to have alternate reality versions of the main characters. Lorwyn story 7 shows white aligned Liliana.|| Lorwyn story spoilers

Kinda lame ngl

[sleek ferry]

Wait, why is that lame

[golden plover]

It's the most obvious thing they could've done with it and we've sorta known it was the case from leaks

Also, it's just riffing on time spiral again

It's not really that original considering they've already done it once

[sleek ferry]

That doesn't make it lame though, I would love to see a white version of lotv

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think the cards might be cool enough, but it's a lame story beat for the "big event set"

When it's the same story beat they did for a big event set prior

[stark skiff]

Yea a lot of people figured it was Time Spiral again

Incorporating UB into MtG woulda been funnier for the meltdown

[golden plover]

Incorporating UB would actually fully kill their own IP and would fuck them over way more than it'd help them

[twilit canyon]

real

they should have

[trail anvil]

I wanna see what she does especially

[zinc shard]

Merry Christmas, here's the Moon Slayer

[glad peak]

Lotv’s ult is a white ability so that can stay

Her minus has potential to be even more backbreaking, as her white analogue would be tragic arrogance

Her plus? I guess secret rendezvous technically is in white

But I doubt they’re going to do straight up ability analogues like they did with time spiral

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U56XNB1zk7lWMZo9zjQCdUKCAiQYsXJshFznM8M3ahY/%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3D900x900/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/G8TfZHWWwAY-t0V?format=webp&width=859&height=804

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8TfZHXXMAAZ46F?format=jpg&name=small

Oko's hair looking like Jinu from KPop Demon Hunters

[sleek ferry]

make her white ability Armageddon

[glad peak]

Nah, Armageddon‘s not strong enough

[glad peak]

Damn, I was betting on them making a kpop set, not just taking design cues

[sleek ferry]

Also, I just thought of Red Jace, Red Teferi and Blue Chandra

[glad peak]

Red teferi tibalt’s trickery’s every spell

We all take extra spells but we die at the end of turn

[sleek ferry]

[[teferi master of time]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/75/teferi-master-of-time

Teferi, Master of Time <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
You may activate loyalty abilities of Teferi on any player's turn any time you could cast an instant.
+1: Draw a card, then discard a card.
−3: Target creature you don't control phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
−10: Take two extra turns after this one.
Loyalty: 3

[atomic harness]

what's using monument of endurance rn in standard?

[sleek ferry]

lessons

with artist's talent

[atomic harness]

Gran-gran sama...

[sleek ferry]

Red Teferi
Keep Ability the same
+1: Exile the top card of your library, you may cast it as though it had flash.
-3: Deal 5 Damage to any target
-10: Each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs. Repeat this thrice.

[glad peak]

nah, that minus 10 is more likely to be take 2 extra turns but you die

though a red teferi whose whole thing is chaos warping on the field and stack would be in flavor and hilarious af

imagine a teferi who solved the time spiral problem by sending his continent to another dimension and ported something to take it's place

[lusty trench]

Now, since we know oko is from a European based set and thus he himself is European, is oko racist for transforming his face into an Asian one

[golden plover]

Yes

But Shadowmoore Oko knows it's racist

[glad peak]

nah, shadowmoore oko is the only variant of oko that feels remorse for that

[golden plover]

Yeah exactly

Shadowmoore Oko feels bad about being a shitty dad

[tardy echo]

Maybe shadowmoore oko is actually a good dad

[sudden lava]

OH DAMN

Monowhite Planeswalker in the set? And it's ||Liliana ||

[subtle sierra]

reminder ||maro said "a planeswalker that makes Kithkin creature tokens"||

[sudden lava]

woah, maybe thats the one

[golden plover]

Clearly her card

[glad peak]

i wish white was still allowed to have more salty cards

nowadays it's just rule of law and blind obedience type effects

cataclysm in white lili would be so funny

[subtle sierra]

What the fuck did they do to my racoon

[glad peak]

He’s fetching the assets

Just havent been able to win yet, new gamer without opposable thumbs after all

[subtle sierra]

The cast whiffed and they scooped anyway

I assume they saw the same visual and got scared

Like my only good pick was a seam rip that hit nothing

[trail anvil]

funny thing is I think this could just be printed like this and it'd be a good card

good as in functional and realistic

[copper pecan]

yeah this is a totally reasonable design

[tardy echo]

If u wanna make her a salty design make her +1 be land tax

[golden plover]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/803125567715246080/whats-the-estimated-percent-of-magic-players-that

This is just wildly inaccurate data then, yeah?

There's NO world where 90% of people playing magic aren't playing any format (including commander)

[copper pecan]

no, this is correct

[golden plover]

I can't imagine 90% being correct

That's gotta be wrong

[copper pecan]

most people who play card games do not play any competitive format, they just play with cards they own

[golden plover]

I'd wager it's probably 40%-50% "cards I own"

And then 40-50% commander

Then 10-20% being formats

Because that 90% not being commander sounds insane

[copper pecan]

with all due respect i think the company that makes the game has a better understanding of their consumer base than your random guessing

[golden plover]

For sure, but I cannot see a world where their data is correct then unless they're counting everyone who's ever played magic one time

Especially considering the way to get casually into magic is a commander precon

There's no way that that's less played than 60 card kitchen table

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/7AdknN2ow70

[sudden lava]

Im just now noticing a cool interaction for Alexios kind of effects

[glad peak]

Tbh idk where they would be able to get this data

[sudden lava]

A person asked me a ruling for [[karona]]

edit: I just realized this was to another comment

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “karona”, can you be more specific?

[sudden lava]

[[karona false god]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/scg/138/karona-false-god

Karona, False God <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Avatar
Haste
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player untaps Karona and gains control of it.
Whenever Karona attacks, creatures of the creature type of your choice get +3/+3 until end of turn.
5/5

[glad peak]

What about it?

[sudden lava]

They asked how does it work with backgrounds

[glad peak]

They get the bonuses

[sudden lava]

and that's when I came to the realization the cards says own, so it transfers despite who is controlling it

[glad peak]

Yep, they get the bonuses and just act as if that creature have those abilities

[sudden lava]

wubrg grouphug but its Karona voltron with backgrounds.

dont transfer Karona to the scuteswarm player when you have inspiring leader out, thats how you get hit by 6/6 bugs

[zinc shard]

Card sleeve for buying something during the winter sale

[trail anvil]

that's pretty cool

[subtle sierra]

Do packs count?

[copper pecan]

doesn't look like it

[subtle sierra]

Cringe!

Not jolly!

[lusty trench]

World's shittest reanimation spell asked to leave the crypt.

[subtle sierra]

Well

It's instant

[trail anvil]

I've seen much worse reanimation spells but I've also seen better

strictly worse [[live or die]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/107/live-or-die

Live or Die <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose one —
• Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
• Destroy target creature.
"I grant them the illusion of hope so that their despair grows ever sweeter." —Valgavoth

[copper pecan]

unless there's a crazy payoff for putting -1 counters on your own creatures there's no reason to ever use dose outside of limited

[subtle sierra]

This needs BB but ig

[atomic harness]

I miss unburial rites, word me @trail anvil

[trail anvil]

word

[tardy echo]

I’m not sure why you wouldn’t count kitchen table with 100 in the same category

Kitchen table is kitchen table

[golden plover]

I mean, I'm sure both kitchen tables are the same category. But I just can't see that being how 90% of people play the game

I don't doubt 60 card formats being 10%

But like, surely commander is 40-50%?

[tardy echo]

Not to sound snarky and not to repeat what someone else already said but I’m not sure why you think your random guesstimation is more correct than the company’s methods of collecting data

I can’t imagine a universe for any tcg where kitchen table isn’t by far the largest play type

[golden plover]

Yeah nah, I figure they do have a decent way of collecting the info. But like all the precons are commander?

Surely anyone wanting to get into the game just buys a commander precon

[tardy echo]

Do you not count people playing the precons at home with their friends as kitchen table question mark

Extremely comparatively few people who play ccgs will ever actually go to locals

[golden plover]

Nah that's commander. I don't think the location affects that

4 people playing commander at a house still counts the same as it does at an LGS

[tardy echo]

Agree to disagree I guess

[golden plover]

Maybe that's the distinction they make? I could see that being what counts as "cards I own" ig

[trail anvil]

kitchen table is probably marked that way because the people are not strictly adhering to the rules. if someone says on a survey that they don't play a predetermined format it has to be interpreted as kitchen table, and in a way they are because they probably aren't listening to things like brackets or banlists

[golden plover]

Yeah I'd be willing to believe that if you lump casual commander and other kitchen table together with commander not played at a store, you'd get the 80%

[trail anvil]

also there may even be people that go to drafts every once in a while but don't do anything else just to build up a card collection

[golden plover]

That's a counted format tho

[trail anvil]

or even something as simple as getting their SO into magic but they don't want to play at an LGS

drafts are but if they say kitchen table too then both are counted

[atomic harness]

Kitchen Finks

[zinc shard]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/803199244999835648/with-half-the-sets-being-universes-beyond-and-not

In Universe sets are moving to two planeswalkers by default

[tardy echo]

Lorwyn will prob be oko and white Liliana?

Alternative, funnier option is white Liliana and black Liliana

[golden plover]

Oko and Ajani

We've seen his art

[past socket]

I imagine Liliana is being saved for Strixhaven

[golden plover]

Fuck me. Used my Valgavoth to lighting strike myself against funky burn (I knew they had hidetsugu's second rite in hand and was at exactly 10). Lost the game by exactly 1 life because of it. Forgot that Valgavoth makes me pay the life, not mana fix

I'm actually so mad I did that

Oh wait they had the kicker shock in hand. Didn't matter

[tardy echo]

Maybe strixhaven will have 1 Liliana for each color alignment…

You didn’t hear that from me though @sleek ferry

(And lotv will be reprinted)

I lowkey miss her already

It’s only been like 5 months without her but

[golden plover]

Liliana of The Creek
1UU Legendary Planeswalker - Liliana
+1: Each player draws a card.
-2: Each player returns target creature to their hand.
-5: Her thing, but it's cyclonic rift

[glad peak]

-6: upheaval

[golden plover]

Liliana of the Campfire
1RR
+1: Each player deals 1 damage to a card in their hand (cards in your hand and non-creature permanents have 1 toughness)
-2: Each player deals 1000 damage to target creature they control.
-5: Her thing, but it's 500 damage to each permanent

[glad peak]

welp someone i know's trying to clown on me for saying breach is a good card but [[vivi's persistence]] is a bad card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/458/vivis-persistence

Vivi's Persistence <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Create a 0/1 black Wizard creature token with "Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this token deals 1 damage to each opponent."
Whenever your commander enters or attacks, you may pay . If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand.

[golden plover]

Liliana of the Grass
1GG
Passive: Liliana is a 50/50 when fighting.
+1: Liliana fights target card in each player's hand (it has 0 power and 1 toughness)
-2: Liliana fights target creature.
-5: Her thing, but she fights all the guys

What a good cycle

[golden plover]

This card is DOGSHIT what

[glad peak]

yeah i brought up the point that the condition is way too hard to get and you have to pay to get it back and they say breach is the exact same

i mean, i can see it if you decided to play breach with no cards in grave but who do you know that would do that

||actually i can think of 4-6 players in my group||

[golden plover]

Also breach's payoff is winning the game

The payoff for spending 4 mana every turn cycle here is another token

[glad peak]

try explaining that to players who don't know how to string together a combo

[tardy echo]

Fight target card in each players hand would be crazy

[atomic harness]

Oh what's the kicker shock

[glad peak]

[[burst lightning]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/192/burst-lightning

Burst Lightning <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Burst Lightning deals 2 damage to any target. If this spell was kicked, it deals 4 damage instead.

[zinc shard]

Who should I play in the Brawl event?

[golden plover]

Isn't urza like busted

[tardy echo]

Does the event have worb

Well urza is actually just really easy to be broken so probably just that no matter what

[trail anvil]

in the brawl metagame challenge?

urza has a strong combo and pop-off but isn't the strongest commander

[atomic harness]

Urza-chan...

[tardy echo]

What are the options in the format

Because urza is pretty fucking crazy idk

Blue is also stronger in brawl than normal commander

[trail anvil]

it is and it isn't imo? counter spells are stronger but it has the typical pitfalls of monoblue where you can't interact with things nearly as well once they actually hit the board

I think a stronger monoblue commander though is still katara master waterbender

emry is stronger into removal-heavy matchups but also provides less explosiveness

with this format though you want to be in something dimir because they decided to leave thoracle pact unbanned 🙂

[copper pecan]

when i tried the event i ran into three yuriko players in a row

[trail anvil]

I still stand by yuriko being one of the stronger commanders from my time in brawl. deck cheats on everything, is able to run some of the strongest cards in the format very smoothly, pressures extremely hard and can run the best combo in the format

tymna thrasios is also up there but requires a much higher skill barrier to entry than "slam 1 drop flier into t2 yuriko"

[tardy echo]

I don’t believe this gang sorry

[trail anvil]

not believing in draw 10 discard 1 what has the world come to

[atomic harness]

Wow this is just cedh...

Does arena have all the good cards it runs

[trail anvil]

not all of them but it has a bunch of shit to abuse. they've printed so many free spells and they even added more in this event

[tardy echo]

I believe in that deck but I don’t believe it’s better than turning every artifact into mox sapphire + some of the grossest synergies imaginable

Katara decks are lower synergy so it’s more consistent across games but it’s also not as able to do as many unfair things

It’s prob a good commander for the triskadeka whatever card

13 in hand win game card

[atomic harness]

Mox Sapphire is broken little one...

Keep up

[trail anvil]

it's a matter of huge mana vs infinite advantage. I think it's comparable, but my experiences with the deck have been mixed. imo it's combo vs tempo

I value tempo more in high power formats unless the combo is resilient, and I don't think urza's is resilient enough compared to stickfingers et al

this was the first commander I tried to abuse after final fantasy release

[tardy echo]

I think katara is a better version of Azami

But I don’t think she works on the same axis as urza

I think as far as the artifact spamming blue decks go urza is just the best one

And I think that’s prob the best type of mono blue deck u can have in commander

[sudden lava]

[[quantum misalignment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/52/quantum-misalignment

Quantum Misalignment <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it isn't legendary.
Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)

[sudden lava]

I cloned Hakbal with this twice

[tardy echo]

Corrected wrong kamigawa lady with a name starting with az that is a toxic commander that doesn’t let people play the game

[sudden lava]

and had to resolve all 3, with a thing that cares for every explore (Current fish person)

and 6 total merfolkss

[trail anvil]

azami I think of more as an infinite combo deck with mind over matter, katara herself is just straight up mono blue tempo

also are you saying commander or brawl cause there's a world of difference

in commander yeah urza is just fuckin revolting. he still pretty much is here but emry has been the more classic artifact spam for reliability afaik. one mana commander with infinite recursion is nice to have

[tardy echo]

Well I guess this is more commander specific but also in context of the brawl event idk

[tardy echo]

Katara can def be built as the same type of deck

With just a much more reliable side plan if they can disrupt ur commander

Also I know brawl and duel commander are still very different formats but historically urza was the go to there as well

[trail anvil]

I'm not familiar with the card pool difference, so idk

you can try him as a paradox engine deck, he'll definitely have a good winrate

[tardy echo]

I feel like that’s like half the cards in the brawl event

Paradox engine is just a good card to build any deck around if your commander says the word artifact that’s why it got banned

[golden plover]

What the hell are we doing here man

[golden plover]

Uggh reanimator feels fake rn because so many random lists are playing way more grave hate than they used to

[sleek ferry]

I mean yeah, the grave hate is just good vs both reanimator and lessons

Golgari Dragons is benefitting from that rn

[golden plover]

I guess it's time to learn otters

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/where-to-find-lorwyn-eclipsed-previews

That reveal schedule is so bad

[copper pecan]

i get that people complained about preview season being too long but this feels like a huge overcorrection

[sudden lava]

everything revealed in 4 days, and barely any reveals from content creators

[subtle sierra]

i hope it's cause holiday season is weird and not the norm

[sudden lava]

Oh btw yesterday I got to crack packs and opened up this

https://tcgplayer-cdn.tcgplayer.com/product/660517_in_1000x1000.jpg

Was my friends packs, but still was an exciting pull

[copper pecan]

wan shi tong is such a memorable character

he was only in one episode but he really left a lasting impact

[subtle sierra]

200 cards and he still finds it

[golden plover]

Okay I get it now. Otters is fun as fuck

[past socket]

and are very cute

[atomic harness]

Bought this for the holidays

[trail anvil]

good pick, this deck slaps

[atomic harness]

teval my queen

[glad peak]

Oh you can play four horsemen with this

You’re gonna love the deck

[atomic harness]

4horsemen?

[glad peak]

Mesmeric orb, basalt monolith = mill your deck

Eldrazi shuffler + above + teval = infinite zombie druids

Dread return + above, target Druid tapper (land steal) = you take everyone’s lands

Now the problem is that the combo is infinite but does not have a guarantee, you may lose to slow play if you get unlucky enough times

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

You only need orb and monolith to start the combo but all you get from that is a narcomeba

Well, also technically you get to choose what cards are in deck and what’s in grave but that assumes you have infinite tries

[atomic harness]

Shouldn't I just do gravecrawler stuff

[glad peak]

With teval you can get X zombies where X is the number of creatures your deck has every time it’s shuffled back in

It’s funnier to win with [[gilt-leaf archdruid]], no?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mor/124/gilt-leaf-archdruid

Gilt-Leaf Archdruid <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever you cast a Druid spell, you may draw a card.
Tap seven untapped Druids you control: Gain control of all lands target player controls.
"In our hands, the natural world finds more beauty than nature alone could ever provide."
3/3

[glad peak]

But also you can just dread return lotleth giant and win that way if you’re lame

[atomic harness]

[[lotleth giant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/171/lotleth-giant

Lotleth Giant <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Giant
Undergrowth — When this creature enters, it deals 1 damage to target opponent for each creature card in your graveyard.
"I prefer the big and looming to the small and skittering." —Cevraya, Golgari shaman
6/5

[glad peak]

I guess if you have enough iterations, you can sufficiently prove you can mill your entire deck other than the shuffler and then dread return thoracle

But that’s probably just a slow play game loss

Oh right forgot to mention that you need to do the infinite 1 card at a time because of the potential location of the shuffler ||no not really, you can shortcut it but if you shortcut it wrong then you don’t have an infinite||

[fallow citrus]

why would you ever encourage someone to play 4 horseman

[atomic harness]

Is this some kind of evil legacy thing

Anyway if I wanted to play cutthroat I have a cedh list ready this is just for funny casual

[glad peak]

Because it’s funny

This is funny casual, this would never work in cedh and it’s more casual than gravecrawler things

[atomic harness]

I had to look it up

[glad peak]

It’s just an incredibly tedious combo that’s a legacy meme because only legacy has those cards

[hidden ermine]

Non-deterministic infinite loops my beloved

[fallow citrus]

oh it's definitely evil

[atomic harness]

Nodders

[glad peak]

Nah it’s just a meme you can do in edh very well

[subtle sierra]

it's why i play bant

but ig it's mostly deterministic, crossroads goes through all of the deck anyway

[golden plover]

What are we doing here man

[fallow citrus]

ending the turn

[molten scaffold]

hey real quick if I was making an MTG custom card is this wording right

Flash Flying Trample. If your life total is 4 or less, this creature gains Haste

[subtle sierra]

Bloodghast has haste as long as an opponent has 10 or less life.
i'd assume you'd use this tho?

[molten scaffold]

I couldnt really fit commas and whatever grammatical errors because character limit for the thing I want is 80.

oh okay

danke

[trail anvil]

ex-Nexus player looking for that high again

[copper pecan]

[[the unspeakable]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dds/13/the-unspeakable

The Unspeakable <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
Flying, trample
Whenever The Unspeakable deals combat damage to a player, you may return target Arcane card from your graveyard to your hand.
The rumors are horrifying; the truth is worse.
6/7

[copper pecan]

it's so fucked up that this is a 6/7

[glad peak]

The what?

[subtle sierra]

the || ||

[glad peak]

Understandable have a nice day

[sleek ferry]

the || || ?

[past socket]

the DATA EXPUNGED

[sudden lava]

Oh my gosh 😭

I see what you did there

[glad peak]

You can see it

You can feel it

You can smell it

You can even taste it

But you cannot

Speak it

[atomic harness]

Yo looping boseiju otawara every turn is mad fun @fallow citrus @trail anvil

life from the loam memes

bringing fetches back w teval too hooray

[trail anvil]

ye lmao

you should try [[slogurk the overslime]] @atomic harness

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/242/slogurk-the-overslime

Slogurk, the Overslime <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze
Trample
Whenever a land card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, put a +1/+1 counter on Slogurk.
Remove three +1/+1 counters from Slogurk: Return it to its owner's hand.
When Slogurk leaves the battlefield, return up to three target land cards from your graveyard to your hand.
3/3

[trail anvil]

if you like looping boseiju and otawara

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

If you like looping boseiju and otawara, I have a modern and legacy deck for you

[sleek ferry]

If you like looping boseiju and otawara, you would like my boy [[icetill explorer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/192/icetill-explorer

Icetill Explorer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Insect Scout
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
You may play lands from your graveyard.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, mill a card.
"Come! Join me in the sun!"
2/4

[atomic harness]

yeah I need to get that fella

[stark skiff]

Picked this up today

[atomic harness]

Good job

[stark skiff]

Would you get the Aang Neon card or the Zuko one first?

I dunno which one to go for first

[atomic harness]

Zuko

[golden plover]

What the fuck

Love when arena decides I lost before I get to play

Cool that I had full combo but they had 4 bats

[sleek ferry]

Get outskilled

[golden plover]

Nah they just drew better

[glad peak]

Seeing the new cedh game from play to win reminds me of when I wanted to make graha Tia work

Deck’s fine but just too fair

I also wanted to build xythris in midrange hell but ultimately decided against it even with it having tons of potential

[sleek ferry]

Niv mizzet op

Fwiw, that g1 was on them, they knew what her wincon was and didn’t do anything to stop it

[glad peak]

Correction: niv mizzet with friends op

[sleek ferry]

I actually think that line would have easily been more effective in a tedh game, at least the first time she does it

It’s not a line people will opt for

[subtle sierra]

Why are there so many lifegain shit on ranked?

The deck is shit but i concede simply cause it takes 3 hours for me to win

If they draw authority they have 150 life by the time i can loop racoons

[copper pecan]

new players love lifegain

[subtle sierra]

New players in plat?

Ig

[trail anvil]

pivot to azorius control and farm elo 😎

[subtle sierra]

Pivot

I have different accounts for different decks

[tardy echo]

That’s why

[subtle sierra]

It's specifically cause i make 50 creatures enter and they have like 2 authorities

Like if it was one i could at least loop racoons until i get seam rip but

That's already like 30 life

[golden plover]

Just play Temur

Same general idea, but you're guaranteed the kill that turn

[subtle sierra]

Uhh do you buff the rats?

Also authority

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeP09ibWg3Q

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1452710151042633882/image.png?ex=694acd42&is=69497bc2&hm=4895127c6bf3dcaf480856a5479f8a73e9afaf89d6ac4f02ec07dcbb17d00be0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1267&height=709

[tardy echo]

Temur all ur stuff scales as u cast spells

And u untap them with floodcaller

[sudden lava]

James bringing up hybrid mana debate before the game was a funny bit

[golden plover]

As long as you have a single non-creature in hand authority doesn't matter

Your board untaps and scales every time you play a spell

[subtle sierra]

[golden plover]

Lmao that does nothing here

Literally all they did was turn off their Shiko lol

[golden plover]

Why did they get a draw for this?

Bullshit that I won but they get a draw because I crashed the server

[zinc shard]

man I wish these were snow covered lands

[zinc shard]

Lowryny Eclipsed Face Commanders got leaked

[copper pecan]

i'm so glad -1/-1 counters are back

[lusty trench]

God that Ashling design is boring

Auntie ool got sauce though

[sudden lava]

Jotlico has basically the same opinion as me, but swapped the commanders

[zinc shard]

Im just tired of them putting WUBRG on mono colored commnaders

[sleek ferry]

So complete opposite opinions then

[past socket]

Is she basically like Ratadrabik but with Elementals?

[atomic harness]

@subtle sierra

[subtle sierra]

Cute

Sadly the variant i liked died with tyvar

[golden plover]

Wow that Ashling is lame as hell

"Do thing, or pay WUBRG to do other things"

[rigid scarab]

Auntie is interesting

Possible avenue with like

A bunch of your own creatures stacking buffs on her

[sudden lava]

I'll note something about the Ashling: ||There is synergy with the new evoke elementals in that she allows you to get both halves of their ETBs in one cast, for example with Deceit you can pay UUBB for your 4 ||
But I don't trust wotc to make a functional mana base for a 5 color precon

[subtle sierra]

Just saw a guy suicide with starting town

[zinc shard]

wasnt the manabase for Painbow decent?

[past socket]

Pretty sure the manabases generally have been improving as well

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/i/status/2002944847301513227

Austin Deceder, The Binder Grinder (@binder_grinder)

This deck is sick. Here's my turn 1.
@fireshoes

X · Dec 22, 2025, 3:30 AM

[tardy echo]

Maybe the lesson to be learned is not to play with your food

[subtle sierra]

Be careful

Lesson is a trigger word now

[trail anvil]

maybe the vivi to be learned is to finish them off

[tardy echo]

Wait how do u actually do this

[fallow citrus]

using [[serum powder]] and [[devourer of destiny]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/228/serum-powder

Serum Powder <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add .
Any time you could mulligan and this card is in your hand, you may exile all the cards from your hand, then draw that many cards. (You can do this in addition to taking mulligans.)

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/2/devourer-of-destiny

Devourer of Destiny <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manac:292901508943577088><:manac:292901508943577088>

Creature — Eldrazi
You may reveal this card from your opening hand. If you do, at the beginning of your first upkeep, look at the top four cards of your library. You may put one of those cards back on top of your library. Exile the rest.
When you cast this spell, exile target permanent that's one or more colors.
6/6

[fallow citrus]

you exile 6 + 7 cards, maybe more

[tardy echo]

Ahh that’s funny

[twilit canyon]

you exile how many?

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus Might be a Christmas miracle ranty guy didn't mald at me for once

Chill teval was good

in fact his decks were the strongest out of us but I got to do my things and sneaked in a win so can't complain

I added these

cute dragon lady bring back lands make chump blockers ohoho

[glad peak]

Wow no random four horsemen and gitrog combo?

I sad

[atomic harness]

The store didn't have gitrog

I wanted to do the dakmor salvage thing

[glad peak]

Teval is so cute

So many cute lines

[trail anvil]

teval my beloved

sultai value in a nutshell

[atomic harness]

[stark skiff]

Where’s the Ripples

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/mengu09/status/2003735228502962467?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09)

Splinter Twin is free! And the deck it performs the best in is …. Check notes …. Living End??? 😅😅😅 Let’s play this!
Live @ https://t.co/86Ikczp4SF

X · Dec 24, 2025, 7:51 AM

[zinc shard]

Omniscience Draft has taught me that you cant cast [[Sokka's Haiku]] if you don't have a land.

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/71/sokkas-haiku

Sokka's Haiku <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant — Lesson
Counter target spell.
Draw a card, then mill three cards.
Untap target land.

[trail anvil]

having one of the major mechanics in this set based off land and others based on spending mana is pretty unfortunate

I'm so glad I got it over with relatively quickly after running into people who drafted multiple waterbending lessons 😭

[tardy echo]

[[waterbending lesson]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/80/waterbending-lesson

Waterbending Lesson <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery — Lesson
Draw three cards. Then discard a card unless you waterbend . (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for .)
"Just push and pull the water—like this." —Katara

[gritty nest]

Do I sell the morophon secret lair deck?

[glad peak]

Always

[gritty nest]

Fair

I was considering waiting for lorwyn to drop so the price potentially went up

[fallow citrus]

if I'm doing a 540 card cube with 75 nonbasic lands in for 4 people how many basics am I going to need to have

I was thinking 20-30 per colour

[glad peak]

20 is fine since you generally want 30 minimum for 8 players

Potentially more if mono color is actually good in the cube

Also welcome to the best format

[fallow citrus]

I'm not sure if I should do the 540 one for 4 players or if I should do a 360 card one instead

[glad peak]

For 4 players I prefer a smaller cube but it depends on archetype density

If you have archetypes that would be possible for them to be traps I would not recommend having less than the max amount for that cube

[sleek ferry]

Do cubes not have a land station for basics?

[fallow citrus]

I'm doing my own so idk

[glad peak]

You would make your own

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/3X5cUgjdFmM?si=J2D3LTL7CYZwCNwB

[sudden lava]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71u-i5tStcL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

Next month this command tower releases 💖

[glad peak]

Maybe kasmina comes back

[atomic harness]

[[kasmina]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “kasmina”, can you be more specific?

[atomic harness]

Sigh

[trail anvil]

the hooded female wizard teacher

[[kasmina, enigmatic mentor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/56/kasmina-enigmatic-mentor

Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Kasmina
Spells your opponents cast that target a creature or planeswalker you control cost more to cast.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Wizard creature token. Draw a card, then discard a card.
Loyalty: 5

[atomic harness]

Naruhodo

[sudden lava]

I thought of a silly deck idea

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1f5e10d-0a89-4129-9717-a921f20d3616.jpg?1764121673

Iroh but I make the deck pizza themed as a bit

[glad peak]

[[colossal grave reaver]] + 4 horsemen

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/50/colossal-grave-reaver

Colossal Grave-Reaver <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, mill three cards.
Whenever one or more creature cards are put into your graveyard from your library, put one of them onto the battlefield.
7/6

[glad peak]

Time to add more jank to teval

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/karatedom10/status/2005079458102083875?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Dominick Paolercio (@Karatedom10)

I have now played two premodern challenges. This is an evil format for evil people. The gameplay is mega bad.

X · Dec 28, 2025, 12:52 AM

I’ve seen a good half dozen tweets about this now

My response is “no shit, pre modern is terrible”

[copper pecan]

wow it's almost like wotc has gotten better at game design in the last 25 years

[twilit canyon]

premodern is a sicko format (derogatory) vs timeless being a sicko format (positive)

[copper pecan]

the difference it that timeless isn't a solved format and still gets new stuff

[glad peak]

wouldn't call it a terrible format but it is definitely full of stuff people do not like to get hit with consistently

[copper pecan]

premodern is a solved format and will always be parallax wave mirrors forever

[twilit canyon]

even outside of paralax wave

[glad peak]

it suffers a lot from people hyping it up online people they're only playing stuff they find fun

[twilit canyon]

it is def full of some unfun cards, yet it can end up lacking some more modern answers that would make it better

re: timeless
u run into a lot of strip mine, but its beatable cus u get fast mana in most decks really and/or your curve is so low it can be tempo negative to strip mine someone

necropotence is actually really damn good, but its beatable cus u have fon and flare of denial sees real play thanks to tamiyo and architect

still not the "healthy" format or anything and there are def toxic play patterns around but

[glad peak]

tbh premodern shows how many people have never played old school magic but love reminiscing about it (but these cards in cube are based af)

[twilit canyon]

it ends with very different vibes

[twilit canyon]

true!

a lot of ppl love the idea of premodern but would have crumbled if they had to play that era

[past socket]

So Timeless and Premodern are like kusoge

[twilit canyon]

ehh

[glad peak]

premodern is if you played in the era of the mtg manga

[twilit canyon]

timeless is an up to date and existing format

ngl, i do find premodern fun at times, but i do like sicko mtg

my problem is really that timeless hits the sicko mtg feel for free on arena

[copper pecan]

people talk about premodern like it's goat format yugioh but it's nowhere near as good as goat was

[past socket]

More so in the sense both are chaotic unbalanced messes but Timeless is at least bad in a fun way like one

[twilit canyon]

goat isnt even good smh

[glad peak]

premodern is close to super turbo: super slow (compared to nowadays), game breaking/ending issues or sequences, people who've never played it love it, and when people play it they're either obligated to say they love it or they just show how much they hate it

[trail anvil]

oh yeah I forgot we just got fon, did that help a ton?

[sleek ferry]

I was going to say premodern is how people talk about Edison, but having lived through Edison, I 110% would never want to go back and touch it again

[glad peak]

goat is... meh ngl

[twilit canyon]

yes

absolutely

[trail anvil]

I'm okay with goat and kinda get why people like it

[sleek ferry]

Idk why people don’t understand that solved formats aren’t fun

[twilit canyon]

solved formats can be fun

[trail anvil]

have you tried arvin

[twilit canyon]

but not as your main format

[glad peak]

i understand why people like goat but it feels like variance is way higher

[sleek ferry]

One of the key aspects of tcg’s in general is the deckbuilding aspect

[trail anvil]

imo that's old yugioh in a nutshell

[sleek ferry]

Yes, I have the same opinion on it. Fun as a one of, but could never see myself play it constantly

[trail anvil]

but yeah it's not great as a competitive format in that sense

[glad peak]

arvin?

[trail anvil]

it's a meme format but kinda caught on because people like playing old yugioh

some dude came up with it when he was 14 iirc