Magic the Gathering

[steady onyx]

i rly like just having lumra in command zone

its helpful

[glad peak]

It is but imagine having amulet in the command zone

[steady onyx]

is there an amulet u can have in command zone?

like tiller engine isnt legendary

all the enchanemtns arent creature

is there a tag on scryfall for amulet effect

[[archelos lagoon mystic]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/140/archelos-lagoon-mystic

Archelos, Lagoon Mystic <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Turtle Shaman
As long as Archelos is tapped, other permanents enter tapped.
As long as Archelos is untapped, other permanents enter untapped.
"Life ... is not ... a race."
2/4

[steady onyx]

ok ok ok

we are going somewhere

[sleek ferry]

It has nothing to do with proxying though, and everything to do with not supporting your LGS in any way and then complaining that your LGS does nothing besides provide you a place to play

[glad peak]

[[wandering minstrel]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/249/the-wandering-minstrel

The Wandering Minstrel <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Bard
Lands you control enter untapped.
The Minstrel's Ballad — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control five or more Towns, create a 2/2 Elemental creature token that's all colors.
: Other creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Towns you control.
1/3

[trail anvil]

yeah I try to get product at my LGS as often as possible cause it's hard to run a game store in this economy

[granite badge]

Have not been able to go to my lgs in awhile unfort

[glad peak]

Same

But also cedh players have been the most active in buying stuff in my area, they always bling out their decks

Probably just my area though because I know theyre rich

[sudden lava]

Getting that Wan Shi Tong Librarian cash today

(Locals said to come in first week of December for Avatar trades ins for store credit)

[sleek ferry]

Made this life gain player quit because he had no real win con

[gritty nest]

I met someone recently who is vehemently anti proxy

[glad peak]

There’s a couple people I’ve met who are vehemently anti proxy in the cedh circle

Of course theyre part of the group who has fully blinged out decks

[granite badge]

I'd say I'm neutral

I don't do it myself since it devalues my experience (adhd moment, I gotta feel the texture of the card itself) but I don't mind others doing it

[sleek ferry]

I just think being anti proxy is a whole different issue. But, we can all agree you should support your LGS whenever possible, since LGS' are usually functioning at a loss

[granite badge]

Magic is in this weird spot where theres not rlly a free sim for testing purposes so the argument of "it doesn't matter since if I want to test I can just play online" also doesn't apply

[copper pecan]

there is a free sim

cockatrice

[sleek ferry]

Arena is decently free enough if you climb up to diamond every season

Look at Komi, they got like 400 different brawl decks

word me @tardy echo

[granite badge]

I mean free in the same sense ygoomega/pro is

[granite badge]

I stand corrected

[tardy echo]

Komi is secretly rich

[sleek ferry]

secretly? boooooooy

[steady onyx]

yes yes yes

i agree with this 100%

proxy all you fucking want

but also buy all the product from your lgs

[subtle sierra]

uhhh if you tishana kaito, why is he still a creature?

[sleek ferry]

[[tishana's tidebinder]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/81/tishanas-tidebinder

Tishana's Tidebinder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, counter up to one target activated or triggered ability. If an ability of an artifact, creature, or planeswalker is countered this way, that permanent loses all abilities for as long as this creature remains on the battlefield. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
3/2

[sleek ferry]

you tishana'd his planeswalker effs yeah?

[subtle sierra]

yes

[glad peak]

Layers or something

[subtle sierra]

mtga even greys out that ability

so like

what

like bruh

as if dimir needed more shit to be cancer

apparently that's a ruling so the card is shit, lovely

just countering ninjutsu is ass

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/CUJDvSWoI84?si=CB1pzlenxVt0MP2k

[sudden lava]

@fast tide Change of plans, looks like owl is not buying the precon thanks to my impulse Amazon purchase. I still have Wan Shi Tong to trade in when my locals 2 week rule is up for Avatar, but unless Amazon messes up I'll have this precon ready for my locals this thursday

[zinc shard]

?????

[trail anvil]

any time it seems confusing, it's layers

[trail anvil]

@sleek ferry bruh what lol

I just only play brawl

the format is cheap, it's singleton

[zinc shard]

naw I get what happened, its just funny

[fast tide]

Hell yeah hope you have fun with it

[tardy echo]

This is how Elon musk would respond too

[trail anvil]

this game is too woke for him thankfully

[tardy echo]

Don’t threaten him he’ll buy wotc and then Nissa will end up with oko and Chandra will die

[gritty nest]

this person is the same way, but doesnt play cedh.

"if people want to play with me, they need to own it."

https://moxfield.com/decks/nyOtYv6HZEGwHrQ_TzJ8hA One of the decks they play btw (the people they normally play with play B2, barely b3)

[atomic harness]

Oh im surprised jeskai blink is so popular @twilit canyon
But yeah mengu said popular =/= best, just that it was the most repped

[twilit canyon]

its easy to play

phlage hard carries your life total

[sleek ferry]

This deck continues to be sick

Might be what I end up taking to the RCQ

My only complain is that it desperately needs Hallowed Fountain

The avatar lands are also just super sick utility

[steady onyx]

bro i wanna play modern so fucking much

amulet titan si fucking SICKKKK

[steady onyx]

u still contunie to be an ass and not share the list

[sleek ferry]

The season reset while I was in diamond kiddo

[steady onyx]

😩

[sleek ferry]

I’ve also just been testing like 6 different decks

[steady onyx]

ok but in reality thugs

i know purcheases are stupid ect ect. blah blah blah

is it stpid to buy sultai surveils and verges for potentially playing some sultai dragons

but also just having them for lorwyn if there is sultai stuff there

because I rly dont wanna play simic midrange rn

[sleek ferry]

Surveils/verges can never be a dumb purchase

[steady onyx]

and a shop near me has all the shit i need

i was legit just gonna trade in ouroboid

for them

[sleek ferry]

Landbases will always be valuable

[steady onyx]

my playset of ouroboid

and like the other expensive stuff in deck

and hopefull get a full set of sultai shit

[subtle sierra]

personally i think if you don't play a deck where the mill matters, go ahead and play the scry ones

[subtle sierra]

i play temple in my uw control

[steady onyx]

it kinda does i think...

also arent the scrys not treated as the type

[subtle sierra]

yes that is true but it's not like it's hard to trigger the verges

[steady onyx]

i mean

idk i guess so

[subtle sierra]

it came up like once to me in like 4 months

[steady onyx]

hey

[subtle sierra]

it literally doesn't matter imo

[steady onyx]

ouroboid stocks have gone up at least

the playset i got for 20$

are now like 130$ in total?

i think it may just be a smart financial decision to move them

[subtle sierra]

it's a playable mythic 🤷‍♂️

[twilit canyon]

move them now rather than later

[steady onyx]

okok

[sleek ferry]

Nah, it def matters. Especially if you have a low to the ground curve. Scrylands are okay for now, but they’ll be unplayable post Lorwyn for most decks

[subtle sierra]

well yeah if you have a shockland you play that

i just didn't bother with 20 euro archives when temple literally does the same for me

[trail anvil]

surveil lands matter more in regard to verges ig

but even past standard they'll hold their value for formats with fetches

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon Do you think I should be maxing out on both Inspector and Siren for max waterbend material/airbend ascension triggers?

[steady onyx]

mkay, i think ill trade in for how much I can get of sultai verges and surveil, i know u were chatting about sultai dragons aswell, did u have a list u liked or just liked the concetp?

[twilit canyon]

nope

just the concept

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm i mean, yeah?

the one issue is that they can be kind of shit late

siren moreso

4/3 inspector/siren isnt bad

[steady onyx]

fair enough

but overall, is it a smarter idea to have surveil lands + verges our ouroboid

i assume lands

but just wanna double check

[sleek ferry]

yeah siren's only + is she's an evasive attacker every turn, but inspector feels nuts to just be bouncing every turn

inspector, drowner and the sub just feel so good to get those etb's over and over again

[steady onyx]

[[invasive submersiable]]

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No card found for “invasive submersiable”

[steady onyx]

?

[sleek ferry]

even resetting

Kuruk to dig for answers and dodge removal is nice

[[invasion submersible]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/57/invasion-submersible

Invasion Submersible <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Vehicle
When this Vehicle enters, return up to one other target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
Exhaust — Waterbend : This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature. Put three +1/+1 counters on it. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for . Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
0/0

[steady onyx]

oh

lol

thats fun

[sleek ferry]

I underestimated waterbend tbh

[steady onyx]

this is good into lands no?

like for badgermole

wait no

u cant bounce

fuck

[steady onyx]

ok im like horrid at this game, do you think it could be a deck that I could learn and play and not suck at or should I just stick to simic midrange

idk

[sleek ferry]

no, but I'm on 3 wipes, 5 counterspells and multiple forms of removal to slow down green variants

I cant remember the last time I lost to a badgermole deck

[steady onyx]

i either wanna play thugs azorious pile

sultai dragons

or stick to simic midrange

thugs

hows ur azorious deck into jeskai control?

and azorious control

and dimir midrange

[twilit canyon]

it shouldnt be difficult

control is easy to pilot once u learn

[atomic harness]

Thank you biologist

[glad peak]

It shouldn’t be difficult

[sleek ferry]

old version or current version?

[glad peak]

Control is easy to pilot once you learn

But you get to have a sense of superiority over aggro players

[steady onyx]

idk

its just my friends deck

idt its updated with any vatar stuff

they play
jeskai control
azorious control
dimir midrange
sometimes golgari or mono black he hasnt decided yet

[steady onyx]

is control a good thing to learn

like idk

i want to play a deck thats going to have me learn the most

to play magic

because i am shit

and want to get better

[twilit canyon]

its not about the deck you pick

[steady onyx]

its about sticking to a deck?

yeah i get that

ugh

i just feel like I dont get enough practice

since I dont play standard enough

and mtga is impossible to build a deck on

[twilit canyon]

no its about developing good practice habits and knowing what your weaknesses are and focusing on them

[steady onyx]

oh

just like when im practicing for singing?

hm

i play too fast

i dont keep good resources I waste resoruces too fast

[sleek ferry]

Playing irl is like worlds easier than playing on a sim

[steady onyx]

yes

but im not always free

idk

do u have deck irl thugs

i would love to remote if ur down

[sleek ferry]

I just would never remote a 60 card format sorry

there's too many actual events to go to + I have arena as a place to get reps

[glad peak]

Same, and here the game quality is actually pretty high

Unlike some states I visited on the way to other things

Arizona had the weakest from what I’ve played

[twilit canyon]

woat maybe

but yeah same. my local areas i go to just have really good game quality and arena is way too convenient

[sleek ferry]

yeah, 60 card formats just don't make sense to remote

hence why remoting never became a thing in mtg even during covid

• we had arena opens anyways

[steady onyx]

my locals dosent fire

;sob

and the good dude never goes to locals

idk

i just dont know how to build a deck on arena

it seems super hard

[sleek ferry]

same way you build a deck anywhere else

[steady onyx]

but i cant

[sleek ferry]

if you can end the season at diamond+ it's also very real to just a f2p player

[steady onyx]

cause I dont have enough resources

lke i got to g2 but then i just felt my card quality dosent keep up

like im playing against like meta decks

and i just cant win

lol

[sleek ferry]

so record your games and anazlyze them

[steady onyx]

mh

idk

what to analyze then

idk

i just like want to play a real deck

not a pile of red cards

[wary night]

Anyone have a Westly, dread pirate, Roberts standard deck list.. and if it doesnt exist then how come, cause I cant find one anywhere

[wary night]

Hands up if no one knows wtf I'm talking about

[golden plover]

I mean, what you asked isn't exactly how things work

Standard doesn't really have commanders or anything like that so you can play a deck with Fynn the Fangbearer in it, but it wouldn't really be a "Fynn deck"

He's also kinda not that good in standard rn, so you'd be playing a very uphill battle for any list running him

[wary night]

Oh

[wary night]

I'm gonna sound whatever asking this but is standard the same as modern and if not what about modern?

[glad peak]

They’re different set legalities

Modern is much more powerful than standard

[sleek ferry]

I’m unretiring [[werefox bodyguard]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/39/werefox-bodyguard

Werefox Bodyguard <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Elf Fox Knight
Flash
When this creature enters, exile up to one other target non-Fox creature until this creature leaves the battlefield.
, Sacrifice this creature: You gain 2 life.
2/2

[sleek ferry]

Card is great

[sudden lava]

My collector sample pack pulls were ok, not particularly exciting

[copper pecan]

why is [[abandoned air temple]] instant speed

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/263/abandoned-air-temple

Abandoned Air Temple

Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a basic land.
: Add .
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Aang once knew this place to be full of monks, lemurs, and bison.

[copper pecan]

this card is so strong

[glad peak]

because 4 mana + tap

[sudden lava]

cuz yeah 5 mana basically

[steady onyx]

2-1 pauper
2-0 mono u terror
2-0 mono u fae
1-2 pestilence gardens

[sleek ferry]

It’s the strongest avatar land

The blue one is good also

The red one is also good

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1445488849345052823/image.png?ex=693087e5&is=692f3665&hm=7b0891b86a4080eae40fbb9f6218e6fd1594f3f08aa566b537bf6717f60c8b2f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1267&height=719

Marvel reveals next week

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-anticipate-hopeful-excited-gif-3572408

[trail anvil]

so hey, nahiri's lithoforming is a cool card

[steady onyx]

mkay

if my locals does legacy with 10 proxies

what is a deck I could bring

im not saying I am going to

just curious

[steady onyx]

[[scapeshift]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m19/201/scapeshift

Scapeshift <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Sacrifice any number of lands. Search your library for up to that many land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Whether we like it or not, our arrival has altered the landscape." —Malcolm, navigator of the Belligerent

[steady onyx]

https://moxfield.com/decks/ByhaiJLHHEePBOa6zzTs1A

like is this deck real?

it looks SICK

[wary night]

Oh I get you

[wary night]

This does look sick, hows it work!

[steady onyx]

it uses card like [[soul spike]] and [[march of wreteched sorrow]] along with [[ancient cellarspawn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/csp/70/soul-spike

Soul Spike <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
You may exile two black cards from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Soul Spike deals 4 damage to any target and you gain 4 life.

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/111/march-of-wretched-sorrow

March of Wretched Sorrow <:manax:292901509082120202><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of black cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
March of Wretched Sorrow deals X damage to target creature or planeswalker and you gain X life.

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/16/ancient-cellarspawn

Ancient Cellarspawn <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment Creature — Horror
Each spell you cast that's a Demon, Horror, or Nightmare costs less to cast.
Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana spent to cast it was less than its mana value, target opponent loses life equal to the difference.
Where it treads, plants wither. Where it breathes, poison spreads.
3/3

[steady onyx]

by casting spells for low mana

and pinging opponent

and then u use

[[necrodominance]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/102/necrodominance

Necrodominance <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
At the beginning of your end step, you may pay any amount of life. If you do, draw that many cards.
Your maximum hand size is five.
If a card or token would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.

[steady onyx]

because ur gaining a lot of life

so u can always have interaction

[wary night]

That's fucking crazy

I hope it's not expensive but seeing that theres a budget version above it probably will be..

[wary night]

Also are you meant to draw up to 5 or do you want to use a ton of life to draw a bunch? (I assumed youd want to refill your hand up to 5 limit but if I'm wrong then lmk )

[glad peak]

Deck’s not real in legacy

In modern? Somewhat

Not built like this though, more free spells

[wary night]

Oh so you basically make stuff easier and faster to cast cause it's cheaper?

[glad peak]

No, you literally have to play instant speed free spells to gain life and deal damage

the goal is to necro for as much life as you can, then try to gain it all back or more before you have to discard

There aren’t enough cards for that

Not to mention there’s almost no way to tutor for necro in this deck, which is the main point of the deck

[wary night]

[atomic harness]

Nice troll kid

(I'm joking)

[wary night]

As you can tell I am very unfamiliar with magic lmao, if there were more cards like them would that be a big issue?

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4f7Xb0Wxo

[glad peak]

You would need much more ways to either get to those cards or more of those cards in general, as of right now it’s like playing exodia with no search power and limited draw power

[sudden lava]

Commander Party for Avatar looks fun unlike Villainous Halloween (While I like how my locals handed out Spiderman packs at Villainous Halloween, the actual added rule for villainous halloween is garbage)

[glad peak]

Tough ask even with a slower game

[wary night]

Yeah that analogy helps that make sense

[sudden lava]

also yay new art of gran gran

[glad peak]

Welp at any lgs I go to I hear the first plays being “stab gran gran?”

[atomic harness]

The end Gran Gran

[glad peak]

Anyways yesterday I tibalt’s trickery’d into protean hulk with a sac outlet on turn 3 or 4

[atomic harness]

Good job little one

[sudden lava]

Gran Gran voltron ;3

[wary night]

And then the fire nation attacked

[glad peak]

Anyways I should really finally just make my favorite deck in paper

Celes

Erinis is funny and all because people get mad at interaction but celes is cute

[[celes, rune knight]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fic/1/celes-rune-knight

Celes, Rune Knight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard Knight
When Celes enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards plus one.
Whenever one or more other creatures you control enter, if one or more of them entered from a graveyard or was cast from a graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
4/4

[glad peak]

Especially the alt art

[sudden lava]

You use persist combos in that mudkip?

[glad peak]

Specifically only 1

Redcap target itself

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/hail-king-elmo-elmo-sesame-street-burn-gif-16536447

Nice!

[glad peak]

I love getting infinite death triggers and counters

[granite badge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/HKOXZif3iD

Lol this got a laugh out of me

[past socket]

Reminds me how nice the Terra alt is too

[steady onyx]

thoughts for a legacy list then?

with 10 proxy:

?

[glad peak]

For an easy list to eventually get good at? Mono red moon

[steady onyx]

dosent need to be ez

[glad peak]

Or ur affinity painter

[steady onyx]

ok

and then one more question

for pauper

jund spy or 4 land spy

i like both variants

[glad peak]

Without much knowledge of the format, you’re going to want an easy deck for legacy

[steady onyx]

i have knowledge

ive played it a bit

[glad peak]

I tend to like jund spy

[steady onyx]

actualy quite a bit

jund spy feels more fun

but dik

ok ok ok

hear me out

[glad peak]

Oh in that case just play delver

Best deck

[steady onyx]

smokescreen in 4 land

play jund

[glad peak]

Eh why not

[steady onyx]

and smokescreen out 2 lands and chris

and smokescreen in some walls

and petals

[glad peak]

How much does it change your matchups tho

[steady onyx]

its so much better into gardens

and burn

i just need to outspeed burn

and jund isnt outspeeding burn

and gardens eats midrange for breakfast

and jund spy is basically midrange

[glad peak]

and how much of the meta are you expecting to be those decks

[steady onyx]

honestly quite a bit

b ut idk

its a 3v3 tournametn

[glad peak]

Expecting terror to be very popular, how’s your matchup into that

[steady onyx]

so midrange eats it alive i feel

but turbo is rough

because its blue

[glad peak]

Usually, yep

[steady onyx]

so it has countermagic

[glad peak]

Do you have enough space in the side to get out of spy or have more protection with the smokescreen tech?

[steady onyx]

wdym

so i went to locals yesterday

played terror faries and gardens

i did not side deck once

like my side felt completely useless

my main deck just felt so strong

[glad peak]

You didn’t side?

[steady onyx]

i didnt have anything worht bringing in

like there was nothing I wanted out of my main

[glad peak]

What’s in your side right now?

[steady onyx]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Fn9wg4lf2kmWzsU_-aKL5g

i was missing 1 mes fiend

thats the only thing I would bring in

like ngl i dont like bauble

ive never felt like i want it

[glad peak]

Yeah in this case mes is probably the only thing you like in terror

I thought you would be playing reb but I don’t think you have enough consistent mana for that

[steady onyx]

reb?

[glad peak]

Red elemental blast

[steady onyx]

oh

[glad peak]

Protects combo at least

[steady onyx]

i guess

that seems

uhm

idk

i would rather just run dispel

[glad peak]

But yeah you should be fine, I don’t really like that side but side in spy’s kinda weird as is

[steady onyx]

in side with bauble

to protect combo

[glad peak]

Reb also lets you counter terror

[steady onyx]

wait

actually idt I have enough for smokescreen

i just need to decide between jund and turbo

ahhh

also i dont wanna play delver

since my friend plays dnt

and that is unplayble mu

[glad peak]

Dnt? In this economy?

[steady onyx]

he likes it

but like

idk whats fun decks

[glad peak]

[steady onyx]

i may try painter

[glad peak]

Actually you can just play spy

[steady onyx]

but that may be too exensive

[steady onyx]

no

[glad peak]

I like cradle control

[steady onyx]

im not plaiyng legacy loops

lol

i do wanna play cradle control

but too expensive even with 10 proxies

[sudden lava]

tempted to use any money I get from wan shi tong trade in on counter intelligence upgrades (Especially pricier ones)

or maybe

buy at least one of these

[trail anvil]

scapeshift is the boring version

[glad peak]

You should play cradle + badgermole + nantuko

[sudden lava]

been awhile since I've played on Arena, wish me luck

ooh got the comet

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/bcs8995/status/1996089837917503678?s=20

Bailey (@bcs8995)

X · Dec 3, 2025, 5:31 AM

infinite wastelands as long as you have 1G to pay

[glad peak]

Its even better if you bestow cub

[vivid hatch]

so uh

two insane pickups

in one go

literally a take it or leave it kinda deal

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DHyLI2ESpE

i love hellscube

[copper pecan]

finally got around to playing with badgermole and wow people were not kidding about how strong that card is

definitely banworthy

not to the same level as vivi but still very good

[golden plover]

Honestly my worst part is that not only is it stupid strong, it's just boring

Like wow, you've got doubled mana and infinite mana t4

It's just kinda lame broken

[copper pecan]

i got to 10 mana turn 4 with it and a bunch of mana dorks

i only had 3 lands out

[golden plover]

Yeah, you can keep 1-2 landers and not get punished in that deck because you'll have 300 mana

[sleek ferry]

If you keep 1-2 landers you will lose those games lol

Keep thinking you can greed on that deck vs good players

[golden plover]

If you keep a 1-2 lander in that deck, it's like 50% chance you'll lose

If you keep a 1-2 lander anywhere else it's like a 90% chance you lose

[twilit canyon]

maybe for you

i greed different

[subtle sierra]

boy i love mono red still doing 20 damage turn 3

[sudden lava]

@stark skiff https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Q-DhhyOTLTI?feature=share

Saw this and it reminded me of your bumi deck

[steady onyx]

guys is roots real

the deck looks sick as hell

[subtle sierra]

it's dead

the rotation killed it, and arguably it was barely alive even then

unless you mean not standard

[steady onyx]

no

i meant standard

sadge

[zinc shard]

I'm so glad the bannings and Avatar set shook up the metagame. Now instead of Izzet Aggro, we get... Izzet Aggro

[copper pecan]

it's a much more healthy izzet aggro though

[past socket]

Now now we can’t be having nuance on the internet now can we

[zinc shard]

hm

[subtle sierra]

hwa

how did you get that

[golden plover]

Means they're only missing like one uncommon

[past socket]

and a partridge in a pear tree!

[copper pecan]

man, i really hope strixhaven 2 doesn't have learn in it if the lessons are already this strong

[subtle sierra]

strixhaven 2 will have teach

teach target creature

[golden plover]

It's okay they'll do mentor instead

Just to really confuse everyone

[copper pecan]

[[pyromancy 101]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/566/pyromancy-101

Pyromancy 101 <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery — Lesson
Pyromancy 101 deals 1 damage to any target.
Teach (Then exile this spell taught to a creature you control. For as long as this card remains exiled, that creature has ": Copy the exiled card. You may cast the copy for its teach cost.")

[copper pecan]

mystery booster real once again

[subtle sierra]

fuck

[golden plover]

Oh it's like Cipher but not attacking

[subtle sierra]

honestly this is kinda rad as a mechanic

[copper pecan]

tbh i don't think it has a whole lot of design space

the effect needs to be strong enough to be worth a card and not attacking with the creature but also weak enough for it to be okay for it to be repeatable

which is kind of the same problem that spellshapers have

[subtle sierra]

i could see it being
teach to target creature (mana cost) (exile target sorcery or instant from your gy. For as long as this card remains exiled, that creature has "tap
: Copy the exiled card. You may cast the copy for its teach cost.)

so you could copy anything for a bigger cost

[copper pecan]

there is no way they'd let you teach any instant/sorcery to creatures

that gets busted with so many things

especially extra turn spells

[twilit canyon]

teaching this to a deathtoucher to instantly make a creature-deck miserable beyond reason

[subtle sierra]

You reject my genius ideas

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/joelaremagic/status/1996604013265965160?t=IFJwcZ2rPOTHqKU5v2ldcg&s=19

need this

Joel Are Magic (@joelaremagic)

detail shots of the new Chocobo foil Snapcaster Mage! (via MagosDante on Discord) #magicthegathering

X · Dec 4, 2025, 3:34 PM

[twilit canyon]

this is really nice damn

[sleek ferry]

I thought about it, I don’t think strixhaven will have learn tbh

Especially since this is supposed to be about the outskirts of the academy

[past socket]

More Raven Man mayhaps?

[gritty nest]

is [[The Walls of Ba Sing Se]] good enough to warrant being $20 or is it commander players existing being the factor

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/261/the-walls-of-ba-sing-se

The Walls of Ba Sing Se <:mana8:292901508830330880>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Wall
Defender
Other permanents you control have indestructible.
"That is why the city is named Ba Sing Se. It's the 'impenetrable city.'" —General Sung
0/30

[fallow citrus]

commander players

[gritty nest]

sad

i wonder if itll drop in price

[zinc shard]

most likely

[sleek ferry]

It draws 30

So it’s a commander allstar

[glad peak]

It enables one sided Armageddon

Something players say they don’t want but always happens to build towards whenever given the chance (I’m looking at you avacyn players)

[zinc shard]

Its 8 mana, and there's better stuff to reanimate/cheat in

[gritty nest]

"no i hate MLD" starter pack

[glad peak]

“No I hate MLD”
Looks inside
MLD

[broken fjord]

You referring to pride of the hull clade? Because that deck has way better things to be doing.

[steady onyx]

@twilit canyon curious what u think of golgari v sultai in dragons, just purely from a conceptual level

i feel personally losing marang is a lot

[twilit canyon]

i dont think much of it

[steady onyx]

oh ok

[twilit canyon]

golgari would be more consistent ultimately

[steady onyx]

i guess

i personally am sad to lose like rakshaks and fangkeepers

do all worlds lists get posted

no matter like win or anytrhing?

[twilit canyon]

yea

[steady onyx]

okok

god i hate decisions

im so so so bad at them

im like going to trade in my ouroboid and just cant decide what to get with them

im like

shocks? surveils?

[twilit canyon]

lands

[steady onyx]

yes i get that

but like

idk

[vivid hatch]

average pauper t4

[steady onyx]

cawgates with chris??

[vivid hatch]

and 4 malevolent rumbles

and 4 bolts

[sleek ferry]

Dominguez is about to go back to back world wins

[steady onyx]

why you say that

[sleek ferry]

he's the best

my sleeper pick for the tourney is Ian Robb

[steady onyx]

well yes

but like

lol

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/andycollectz/status/1996825542818255338?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Andy Collectz (@AndyCollectz)

In-person pack opening of the Special Chocobo Pack inside the MTG Chocobo Bundle!

Currently checking out at Target
https://t.co/2NmZUYj6aA

Good luck everyone 🫡 #ad

X · Dec 5, 2025, 6:14 AM

Fuck that foiling treatment is gorgeous

[fallow citrus]

yessir

I need the snapcaster mage from it

[sleek ferry]

Guy got off to a double Badgermole + 2 dorks start, and we won easily

[stark skiff]

What’s this

[subtle sierra]

[[invasion submersible]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/57/invasion-submersible

Invasion Submersible <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Vehicle
When this Vehicle enters, return up to one other target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
Exhaust — Waterbend : This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature. Put three +1/+1 counters on it. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for . Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
0/0

[subtle sierra]

eh this doesn't sound that good

[lusty trench]

Japam often gets exclusive promo stuff. This included. Its cause mtg isnt as big there so they try and attract more people there

[sudden lava]

Sold the owl, got a precon. Im fish gaming now

also funny enough yesterday I literally bought this card as a foil and wondered "Wait, isn't there a precon she would be good in" (she's already in it as a reprint 😅 )

[sleek ferry]

It’s a bounce every turn, threatens decent damage in a body, it’s pretty good for what I’m doing

Also, the water bend stuff just has insane synergy with split up

[stark skiff]

Damn so you’d have to buy the Jpn bundle? Wonder if these will be expensive

[lusty trench]

Participating stores in jp usually give promos like these for events or in person purchases

Ur cooked

[sleek ferry]

Imagine not knowing that Adam flies to Japan weekly

That’s what being a big shot lawyer in LA gets you

[sleek ferry]

Javier’s bant list @subtle sierra

[steady onyx]

u sharing ur azorious list yet?

i rly rly wanna play it since I think high noon is a sick card

so yeah

prob trading in ouroborid for stuff for it

[gritty nest]

i own a playset of firebending student now

[subtle sierra]

I'm still confused how dork build is still the standard one

Maybe I'm just bad

Personally for me idt i won a single game with it, it sucks that hard

Also I'm happy they cut one crossroads aang the card is ass

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/playmtg/status/1997091403038326899?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

PlayMTG (@PlayMTG)

"It's really Jeskai Burn; it's often correct to just Lightning Helix their face. The big play is playing Shiko, and casting the back of Gwen Stacy, Ghost-Spider." – words of wisdom from #MTGWorlds competitor Jennifer-Rose Holloway.

See the deck in play at https://t.co/GF4H5s6srS

X · Dec 5, 2025, 11:51 PM

[glad peak]

Yep, almost always when lightning helix and Jeskai control were playable together it’s been a control deck who tries to just bolt for the win

[steady onyx]

@sleek ferry

WTF

[[the legened of kjuruuk]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “the legened of kjuruuk”

[steady onyx]

this card is BRAZY

WHAT

[copper pecan]

[[legend of kuruk]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/61/the-legend-of-kuruk-avatar-kuruk

The Legend of Kuruk <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I, II — Scry 2, then draw a card.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kuruk
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Whenever you cast a spell, create a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token with "This token can't block or be blocked by non-Spirit creatures."
Exhaust — Waterbend : Take an extra turn after this one. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for . Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
4/3

[subtle sierra]

It's like, ok

[steady onyx]

well sure

the real broken card is [[stormchasers talent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/75/stormchasers-talent

Stormchaser's Talent <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
: Level 3
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.

[subtle sierra]

If you get to the other side it's good but you need to get to that

Otherwise it's just more expensive rediscover the way

Tempo wise I'd rather curiosity

[steady onyx]

im playing it in dimir bounce

[subtle sierra]

Control wise i agree it's good

[steady onyx]

and I really like it

[subtle sierra]

Uh it sounds too expensive for that ngl

[steady onyx]

its not

[subtle sierra]

Boomer into kuruk is 5 mana for draw 2 and then draw 1 later

That's really fucking expensive

Bouncing stormchasers is the same mana but is both tempo and is repeatable

You don't really want to bounce that ngl

[steady onyx]

no

its ur win con

lol

[subtle sierra]

Well yeah but then why is in you bounce deck

[steady onyx]

because u cast a shitton

[subtle sierra]

So your gameplan is to kuruk on t4, wait for 3 turns then make like 3 spirits t7

I'm sorry but lol

[copper pecan]

surely there are faster ways to win than this

[subtle sierra]

I perfectly understand it in control

But in bounce just scam a riddler or w/e

Why is trilla in mtg chat

[subtle sierra]

my pfp is goated

[tardy echo]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-izzet-lessons-woe#paper @sleek ferry this is the kind of list I can get behind

Otter beats…

[tardy echo]

It’s not really a self bounce thing

It’s just a way u win the game in that deck

Most slower blue decks (most blue decks in standard) have a pretty good reason to play kurruk

[subtle sierra]

well yeah slower decks i get

the way areo was speaking i got the feeling it was aggro/tempo

[tardy echo]

Dimir self bounce is like a

Idk

Weird deck but not super aggro or anything

[steady onyx]

its control

def

[tardy echo]

I would say it’s midrange

It’s just the other end of the pixie spectrum

[stark skiff]

Yay

[sleek ferry]

Lucky

They all sold out on target when I tried

[steady onyx]

i had a bit of fun

[sleek ferry]

People really thought Badgermole was oppressive

[golden plover]

Almost every list is maining answers

It is very strong, but worlds meta is always very inbred and it was the deck most teched for

No one brought graveyard hate

Everyone brought badgermole hate

It's all meta calls

[twilit canyon]

yeah and good players didnt really care for the cub deck too much outside of the maindeck cards you play

its still a strong deck/cards

but its managable and very beatable

[golden plover]

Badgermole is still probably too strong for standard

But the pros were reading into the field and saw that lessons was the better deck for the event

[twilit canyon]

the general sentiment is also that the izzet deck is not at its best version either

[golden plover]

Next standard event will likely be split more on badgermole lists, Izzet, and Sultai

[twilit canyon]

cub is more or less solved

but izzet is still going to get better

[golden plover]

Yeah all the Izzet lists are more varied as they haven't quite figured out the meta

And Izzet will both get better and worse as graveyard hate gets reintroduced

[twilit canyon]

grave hate is really embarassing vs most good izzet lists and its very likely the deck just gets stronger

[golden plover]

Rn, there's really a lack of graveyard hate. So Izzet has freer plays too

Things will change

I expect the good simic/Golgari lists to be more popular at the next rcq too

And I expect Sultai to take advantage of its position in the format until the lists settle around it and it catches strays from the Izzet hate

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/karsten_frank/status/1997528496521023559?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Frank Karsten (@karsten_frank)

Here are the winrates from the Standard rounds at Magic World Championship 31! #MTGWorlds

X · Dec 7, 2025, 4:48 AM

[steady onyx]

i disagree with this ngl

i think the card is fine for standard

its just a good green card

[copper pecan]

wait what is golgari dragons

[subtle sierra]

probably just good golgari cards plus regents

[copper pecan]

[subtle sierra]

we'll see soon enough

[steady onyx]

lists have been out for a while

here

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7496284#paper

it has ygra

lol

[vivid hatch]

got another lot of rufoil tsb

[sleek ferry]

Ken kinda got fucked, they let Seth get so many take backs during that g3

[golden plover]

https://m.twitch.tv/magic/clip/VenomousSolidBaconDansGame-LnIY9xnX9rDABQLR?desktop-redirect=true

This is crazy

He should not have been allowed that takeback

[twilit canyon]

wow

[sleek ferry]

He was allowed multiple takebacks too throughout the match which made it worse

[golden plover]

That's so wacky wtf

[sleek ferry]

I would say it probably didn’t matter in g2 fwiw

But g3 he was also allowed a take back in which it came down to the final 2 cards in his deck

So that actually did end up mattering

[twilit canyon]

geez

[steady onyx]

BRO

WHAT THE FUCK

holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[copper pecan]

man, if boomerang basics is this good imagine how good the boomerang nonbasics are

[steady onyx]

here [[boomerang]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/30/boomerang

Boomerang <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target permanent to its owner's hand.
"O! call back yesterday, bid time return." —William Shakespeare, King Richard the Second

[steady onyx]

this is the normal boomerang

[copper pecan]

it's crazy that they just let bounce spells hit lands back then

[trail anvil]

at one point they printed an extra turn spell that only costs 2 mana

gotta learn over time

[fallow citrus]

I think we should just get more cards like [[snap]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/66/snap

Snap <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target creature to its owner's hand. Untap up to two lands.
Good riddance.

[fallow citrus]

or gush

[atomic harness]

Not daze right

[fallow citrus]

yes daze

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1447376718649360464/mwrlvzxe285g1.jpg?ex=6937661c&is=6936149c&hm=781d6451aa12e51a8cc34f6bb73d2b42fd67ea51adeabfb35fafc8995ccbe4ba&=&format=webp&width=840&height=603

summary of worlds

[golden plover]

Oof this win is gonna be controversial

[sudden lava]

Affordable Grandma takes worlds

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/i/status/1997811514863161657

J White 急啡人 (@RealPokemoki)

Card seems pretty good

X · Dec 7, 2025, 11:32 PM

[past socket]

Oh fun, that fucking guy

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/sokka-funny-quenchier-atla-avatar-gif-16545526

it's extra funny because the card is [[quench]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/56/quench

Quench <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"When properly invoked, the plasma globule encloses the offensive spell with a satisfying slurp."

[sleek ferry]

I just got past that episode too

[steady onyx]

did duskmourne draft

honestly deck was SICK

i just lost to tyvar

lol

[copper pecan]

duskmourne had a great draft format

[steady onyx]

ive never drafted it

this was my first time

honestly everything was good

best was [[chainsaw]] tho

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/128/chainsaw

Chainsaw <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 3 damage to up to one target creature.
Whenever one or more creatures die, put a rev counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +X/+0, where X is the number of rev counters on this Equipment.
Equip

[steady onyx]

cards literally insane

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035028897177292871/1447414085774872606/image.png?ex=693788e9&is=69363769&hm=a4bec69c3598116cef6713fe64f27fd932e4a5ac76c48e7cdca5fbdc8dd9ffe6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=973&height=682

heck yeah ship

[zinc shard]

Alright, I've figured out how to fix the game. First, we ban all the blue cards.

[subtle sierra]

no

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcements-december-8-2025

Chocobo Bundle cosmetics coming to Arena

[tardy echo]

Based

Blue is ontologically evil word me @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

this is true because i am ontologically evil as a blue mage

[tardy echo]

It should be reduced to a color you only play for draw spells…

[tardy echo]

Based

I’m actually so hype for lorwyn

Reveals for this set can’t come soon enough

Maybe I’ll truly get to become a mono green player again…

I’ve been having fun with it as is but it’s def lacking in some areas

[twilit canyon]

what if they reprint the hierarchs in llorwyn

how much coke do u think it'd take for them to reprint them

[tardy echo]

The game would finally be good again

While we’re at it let’s reprint bloodbraid

[twilit canyon]

actual factual goyf into standard too

and lili

we'll play 2015 modern jund

and it'll still lose to lessons

[tardy echo]

You know what green needs to be good again

Let’s reprint fauna shaman again

Let’s just make it an evergreen card

[twilit canyon]

actually kind of real

[tardy echo]

And uh

What’s that one turbo broken tutor

I forget the name

Sac green creature search library for green creature put it on board

[fallow citrus]

[[natural order]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/177/natural-order

Natural Order <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a green creature.
Search your library for a green creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
. . . but the price of Mangara's freedom was Asmira's life.

[tardy echo]

Yeah

I miss good green cards

Now we get good mana dorks and people say they should get banned when it’s not even the 3rd best deck in the format

[vivid hatch]

I unironically think we need glimpse of nature

in standard

[steady onyx]

bro i would fucking LOVE if they reprinted soulherder

[steady onyx]

like all of them?

i feel like there are a couple of them

[tardy echo]

No I was very specifically thinking of natural order

Basically all of the rest (birthing pod etc) scale on mana value

Natural order does not which is why it let you do some heinous things on turn 3 in formats when it was legal

[tardy echo]

Who let him cook

[fallow citrus]

I mean it still does

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035028897177292871/1447688484583375001/image.png?ex=69388877&is=693736f7&hm=eda42d57d9fc0d7116bb00da9f9a5912e1bc77cbb3dce52db068130723d4c315&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1267&height=712

So yeah Im playing shrines in standard

[tardy echo]

Wdym

Most of the other cards with similar effects are sac find based on mana value

Order just grabs whatever green

[twilit canyon]

grab progenitus

[glad peak]

Sac grazer get prime time

[tardy echo]

I forgot what got it banned in historic

Was it actually progenitus

[twilit canyon]

pre-banned

[copper pecan]

natural order was pre-banned

progenitus isn't banned and isn't seeing play anyways because there are better things to cheat out

[fallow citrus]

it still lets you do heinous things in legacy

[tardy echo]

Oh sure

I thought it didn’t see a ton of play in legacy though

[fallow citrus]

it's basically just in cradle control

but you can still go dork into badgermole cub sac the dork put atraxa down

[glad peak]

My favorite play so far is with dryad and valakut out and nantuko on badgermole and 7 lands with cradle earthbended and a sac outlet

Infinite with an amulet

6 card 7 lands combo

[subtle sierra]

no one posting cards?

[steady onyx]

ere

here

[steady onyx]

am i crazy

or does that card look p good

[subtle sierra]

the draw is ok

there are better statted dinos for that cost

[steady onyx]

this feels like genemorph

but maybe worse

hm

[steady onyx]

cause no evasio

[subtle sierra]

god i wish this didn't suck

[fallow citrus]

oh my GOD where's lorwyn

[steady onyx]

gone

[subtle sierra]

this is just marvel

[fallow citrus]

I know

don't we get lorwyn before marvelslop

[steady onyx]

yes

lorwyn is like 1 month

and a couple days

[subtle sierra]

marvelslop more important

[fallow citrus]

so why are we getting marvel reveals firstttt

i hate it

[steady onyx]

we are never getting lorwyn

[subtle sierra]

they're hiding the other incarnations

[steady onyx]

bro

these are all like fucking commander cards

😭

[fallow citrus]

i wonder why

[steady onyx]

bro

this is gonna be standard legal????????????/

[fallow citrus]

yeah but who cares about standard when we can have more legends for commander

[steady onyx]

ok

im changed now

at first I lked spider man

and wasnt like a hater

and i was happy wiht avatar bceause set fucking slaps

im a fucking doomer now

fuck this shit

what is this commander slop

;sob

[fallow citrus]

idgaf about universe beyond if it actually feels like it fits in magic and isn't just print to commander sets

[steady onyx]

well well well

[fallow citrus]

like the original d&d sets were good

[steady onyx]

bro eah

[fallow citrus]

bc they fit into magic

[steady onyx]

i wanna make a fucking cube

lotr dnd

bg3

bro

[fallow citrus]

ub should have stayed as secret lair reskins though

[steady onyx]

it would be SICKKK!!!!

[subtle sierra]

lithuanian artist representation

second card in a row

[fallow citrus]

my favourite red instant

blast

[subtle sierra]

third lithuanian

[steady onyx]

idont disagree but also dont agree

tbf

...

[fallow citrus]

here's

[steady onyx]

ok

i ASSUME

m and the weird thing

is commander / jumpstart

and then just like the telephone booth

is standard

[subtle sierra]

it's a comic book

[steady onyx]

oh

well ok

bro its like a triangle

[subtle sierra]

so?

[hidden ermine]

Yeah because its a slightly opened book

[steady onyx]

i see no difference

[fallow citrus]

this is bait

[steady onyx]

no never

[subtle sierra]

fourth lithuanian

[steady onyx]

bro

[subtle sierra]

they gave the fantastic 4 to lithuanians

[steady onyx]

solar is too fast

[subtle sierra]

they put these out of order and now my ocd is kicking in

[steady onyx]

a plan??

[stark skiff]

New commander slaps

[stark skiff]

This slaps in Bumbleflower

[subtle sierra]

villains again

[lusty trench]

Try not to be insufferable in limited challenge

[steady onyx]

ok they got me

this card is kinda fucking sick

lol

[subtle sierra]

very cheatable

airbend

shiko

[fallow citrus]

please don't tell me I need to slot this into merfolk

[steady onyx]

bro

it actually looks kinda based

[golden plover]

Wow that set symbol is ASS

[subtle sierra]

diff art

my reaction to being airbended

[golden plover]

These treatments are neat but god every card in this set feels like it's trying too hard

[lusty trench]

Damn this gonna be expensive

[zinc shard]

oh, Marvel... yaaay

[lusty trench]

Namor got a lot of focus for a character not many people like

[twilit canyon]

one or more is so troll

[atomic harness]

How so 👀

[twilit canyon]

we have a 4/3 in standard that doesnt die easily that draws per hit

with no condition

[subtle sierra]

and has flash

[atomic harness]

enduring curiosity

[atomic harness]

OH lmao sorry I was looking at namor not the one on the right

[twilit canyon]

[fallow citrus]

oh noncreature spell nevermind

unplayable in merfolk

[tardy echo]

They show initial reveals for the furthest set out before they show the rest of the full set that’s coming jext

They’ve been doing this for a little bit

[atomic harness]

Wow it's like necropotence

(I am trolling)

[subtle sierra]

troll ping

banned

[sleek ferry]

At least they’re trying, this already looks more interesting than Spiderman

[stark skiff]

So the untap and extra combat is only if he gets blocked right?

[subtle sierra]

no

from the text you can just ping him while he's attacking

[stark skiff]

Oh I misread whoops. So is he just infinite attacks? Lmao

[glad peak]

Nah not infinite

You’ll have to have a consistent way to deal damage to him

That being said, [[pyrohemia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cma/86/pyrohemia

Pyrohemia <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
At the beginning of the end step, if no creatures are on the battlefield, sacrifice this enchantment.
: This enchantment deals 1 damage to each creature and each player.

[torn idol]

Does mtg have any sims like nexus?

[broken fjord]

I think [[caltrops]] works with the hulk

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/288/caltrops

Caltrops <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever a creature attacks, this artifact deals 1 damage to it.
The Eastern Paladin knew how highly his southern rival valued horses, so he gleefully prepared a suitable welcome.

[broken fjord]

No need to pay into it

[steady onyx]

sur

[glad peak]

Yep caltrops works

But pyrohemia looks cooler with hulk

[sudden lava]

pulled my second koma in this art

[stark skiff]

Oh now that I'm not distracted I get the text of the Hulk now lol. But yeah you can still infinite combat with him so thats neat

[tardy echo]

@twilit canyon @sleek ferry idk if this is controversial or maybe just bc the last couple best decks have been a bit boring but lessons is just so cool gang

[twilit canyon]

nah it is cool

[tardy echo]

It’s kind of annoying how hard it can be to interact with monument as some colors but also like every good deck needs something

[sleek ferry]

Eh, I’m indifferent on if, though I’m a huge monument stan

[tardy echo]

It would’ve been cooler if it played ral… but alas…

[twilit canyon]

if i was playing standard more rn, i'd slot ral in anyways

[tardy echo]

I think storm decks that don’t just do ritual effects over and over again can be very cool

I also think doing ritual effects can be cool but less so

[sleek ferry]

I do think it is a decently healthy meta though

[tardy echo]

If nothing else it seems like the most equal representation in the color pie in a while

Each color has very viable decks (though some are still much stronger than others)

[twilit canyon]

feeding green like this every 2-3 years does feel nice ngl

[tardy echo]

Statistically speaking green is doing better in the current format than white is

If u said that to someone at the start of the year they would probably have shot u

[trail anvil]

why does this set icon look like a custom card one

[golden plover]

Literally just a rectangle with an M on it

Looks so lazy

[trail anvil]

that said this is a way better special treatment than some sets and extinction event is a good choice for this lmao

[trail anvil]

world war hulk is getting the timmy in me excited

[atomic harness]

There's no red or black cradle right

tolarian academy, serras sanctum, gaeas cradle

i guess cabal coffers if you squint hard enough

[trail anvil]

I was gonna say yeah

[[howlsquad heavy]] totally

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/134/howlsquad-heavy

Howlsquad Heavy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Mercenary
Start your engines!
Other Goblins you control have haste.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. That token attacks this combat if able.
Max speed — : Add for each Goblin you control.
2/3

[glad peak]

[[phyrexian tower]] and [[shivan gorge]] were the final 2 cards for that cycle but aren't anywhere near as good

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/303/phyrexian-tower

Phyrexian Tower

Legendary Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice a creature: Add .
"A cursed silhouette to look upon. Even if the halls stand empty, its vile shadows blight the land. I shudder to think of the evils that it held." —Koth

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/297/shivan-gorge

Shivan Gorge

Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Shivan Gorge deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Both forge and pyre.

[glad peak]

tower makes 2 mana, which sort of fits, but gorge just randomly decides not to make more mana

and for some reason the red and black one can tap for colorless

[tardy echo]

Shivan doesn’t even tap for red

[glad peak]

yep, yet another weird broken cycle

[tardy echo]

They should make more karakas for each color…

[glad peak]

they have

the cycle is also pretty bad aside from karakas

tolaria, urborg, hammerheim, pendlehaven, karakas

[tardy echo]

Hey those lands were banned at one point

[glad peak]

not academy, i literally mean tolaria

like what is this lmao

[tardy echo]

No me too

[glad peak]

but true, they were banned for a bit

because they rotated out of standard

[tardy echo]

Sigh son the cards actually got banned at one point…

Look it up

[atomic harness]

[[tolaria west]]