#Magic the Gathering

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steady onyx
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but im maybe regretting it now

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idk

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but holy i suck at drafting

zinc shard
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idk why i jumped straight into Sealed, they give you so much lol

steady onyx
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yeah im really unhappy with this draft

glad peak
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Curve is good at least

steady onyx
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idk

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idk what last cut here is

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maybe bumi bash

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yeah

glad peak
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The amount of people I’ve seen whose curve is a wall of 4 drops is insane icant

steady onyx
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i had like 0 one drops

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untill just the cadets kept passing

glad peak
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Tbh I don’t really care for 1 drops as much as inn constructed

steady onyx
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idk

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i feel one drops are really strong in limited personally but idk

glad peak
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It usually depends but they’re usually well below the power of most 2 drops that if I have a generic bear or most 1 drops I’d take a bear

steady onyx
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ig

zinc shard
subtle sierra
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bro forced me to actually loop

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just fucking concede

steady onyx
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ok nah

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[[fire nation cadets]] is kinda crazy

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subtle sierra
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it's decent

steady onyx
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idk

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it feels rly good in draft

subtle sierra
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it has nothing on firebending student

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oh draft sure

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it's really good there cause it's self sufficient 2/2 if you have lessons

steady onyx
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yeah

past socket
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Unfortunately got cratered at my prerelease

steady onyx
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UFCKK bro

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ugh

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[[sokka tenacious tactiicamn]] is an INSANE card in limited thjo

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steady onyx
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like they drop it t3 idk how im supposed to beat it

past socket
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Was like a Temur lessons/earthbending deck but just didn’t have the gas or wincon (at least packed a decent curve

steady onyx
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FUCKCNKASNDKSANDKSAND

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i forgot what waterbend did

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i m so bad at this game

glad peak
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Thought monastery mentor was hard to beat? Well here’s monastery mentor but better icant

sudden lava
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What are some upgrades I should get for Mardu Surge, cuz yeah Wan Shi Tong's value be raising by the day (I am going sell the birb)

steady onyx
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is there instant speed removal

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in the set

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2 mana white black

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i forget..

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i guess they didnt have it

sudden lava
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but for abilities/additional costs

steady onyx
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yeah I get that

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i just forgot while playing

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:p

sudden lava
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ah ok

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was thinking firebender ascension just cuz the precon has multiple "when this attacks" triggers

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and shocking sharpshooter & how to start a riot to take advantage of the token generation

golden plover
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Oh we were all blindsided by "That's Rough Buddy". There's an even more BM emote in the pack. You can spam "Yip yip" in place of "Your Go"

fallow citrus
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oh my god everyone is complaining about the mh secret lair and when I look at it I totally get it

golden plover
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Yip yip makes a sound and there's no way they don't remove it lol

hidden ermine
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... how is this Sol Ring?

twilit canyon
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dont think about it too hard, the art is cool

storm elbow
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This is a sol ring

hidden ermine
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At this point we probably have enough Sol Ring arts for a Sol Ring alignment chart

sleek ferry
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Alright, this is one of those scenarios where every card we assumed would be good is actually good lol

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I’m making some heavy changes to this deck because this current build is bad, but it is def not because of Appa or Aang

subtle sierra
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they want me to come back to beza

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lmao

storm elbow
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Is avatar out on arena?

sudden lava
storm elbow
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I might hop on draft

subtle sierra
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ye it's out

twilit canyon
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it is yeah

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the draft for this set is pretty fun

subtle sierra
twilit canyon
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at least irl

sleek ferry
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The prerelease was so fun

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like people complain that green felt overbearing, but I never felt as if I lost because of card quality

storm elbow
subtle sierra
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have 2 bears

sleek ferry
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Well yeah that’s different, opening 2 bear kings is crazy

glad peak
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Wait is [[bear king]] the bear that’s not a bear

lost widgetBOT
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Multiple cards match “bear king”, can you be more specific?

sleek ferry
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Should be illegal

subtle sierra
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[[the earth king]]

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glad peak
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Oh that’s a pretty good one

sleek ferry
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Bro imagine if the bear was an ally

glad peak
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Imagine if he was a bear and made a bear clearly

twilit canyon
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im sure the bear cares about gay rights dw

golden plover
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Badgermole cub is disgusting wtf is that card lol

sleek ferry
subtle sierra
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this doesn't have a wincon

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like

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rockalanche isn't a wincon

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lol

glad peak
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[[rockalanche]]

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subtle sierra
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like i get that this gets to 20+ but realistically thinking this won't be blocked or die is lol

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you have to have:
7 mana
enough forests for it to matter
they have no blockers, which i'll grant cause you'll flashback the removal
have artist's talent ready

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idk

golden plover
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They could at least run [[Secret Tunnel]] if they're trying to be cute

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Land — Cave
This land can't be blocked.
manat: Add manac.
mana4, manat: Two target creatures you control that share a creature type can't be blocked this turn.
"I forget the next couple of lines, but then it goes...'Secret tunnel! Secret tunnel!" —Chong, nomad musician

subtle sierra
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if you wanna combo go superior at t4 and win

golden plover
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And probably run the AI art toph?

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She does something about lessons, yeah?

subtle sierra
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nah the blocker thing is fine prob cause you flashback tons of removal

sudden lava
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was it confirmed to be AI?

subtle sierra
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no

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the artist uses ai but also draws real stuff

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octo protects the land but again, you have to have 7 open mana and iroh has to land and you have to have artist's ready

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that's a lot

golden plover
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Artist does ai art training and shit on her own, it's possible it's not but even commissioning her at all feels too much so I dunno

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There's a chance it's not AI but I'd need to see one in person to tell

subtle sierra
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i will give the list credit in that it's 8 non land rares so it's budget

golden plover
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The mountains feel too likely based on artifacts and stuff, but again, hard to tell without looking at it in person

tardy echo
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Considering the past 3 times this has happened

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I’m gonna go with not ai until proven otherwise

subtle sierra
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same

golden plover
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I would agree, but the artist actively trains ai for art

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So as far as I'm concerned, even hiring her was too much

tardy echo
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Shrug

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If she drew it herself idgaf I cannot lie

golden plover
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It might not be ai, but it's hard to tell

hidden ermine
tardy echo
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It looks pretty real to me

hidden ermine
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Like if I didnt know the artist had done AI stuff in the past

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The idea of it being AI wouldnt have even crossed my mind tbqh

subtle sierra
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it looks weird to me so it crossed mine

fallow citrus
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while I am against AI

subtle sierra
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but at this point i define any weird art as potentially ai

fallow citrus
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this is a very online way of thinking where everything is AI until there is definitive proof

subtle sierra
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i just try not to witchhunt without proof

tardy echo
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Yeah I feel like ppl are actively looking for reasons to shit on wotc

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Idk

twilit canyon
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i hate wotc but there are actual reasons

tardy echo
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I assure you it’s not necessary to try to find ai art in every set to find something wrong with wotc

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Yeah

glad peak
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While wotc deserves to be shit on, this art is pretty good regardless ngl

tardy echo
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Or idk literally any scaling threat

glad peak
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Actually I can’t remember [[wan shi tong]]

lost widgetBOT
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Multiple cards match “wan shi tong”, can you be more specific?

glad peak
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Also slickshot’s banned, right?

tardy echo
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No lol

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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no life gain either

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but alas

fallow citrus
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[[wan shi tong, librarian]]

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glad peak
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Wait, slickshot’s not banned? clearly

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Huh

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Guess you found your win con for this deck

tardy echo
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But yeah surely this deck just plays slickshot/firebending student/whatever prowess guy wins

glad peak
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Just foretell slickshot then on combo turn just slam him and storm off icant

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If they have removal, you’d have lost anyways because iroh would’ve died

tardy echo
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Play bloomburrow ral so u beat removal gg

twilit canyon
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true!

glad peak
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Only in the side

twilit canyon
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showoff + ral

glad peak
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Because you still lose if they remove iroh

tardy echo
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I mean half j half serious but like u draw ur entire deck hypothetically so

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Ral kind of just wins

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And then also means you’re playing storm for real

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Lightning bolt storm count 32…

glad peak
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True but showoff is free on the combo turn nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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Slickshot is good but ral is hype

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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gg

glad peak
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Do you know what’s even more hype?

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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u only need storm count 7 to kill with the average bolt

glad peak
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Stormsplitter nyaruhodo

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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gross

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but ig it happens

tardy echo
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How many bolts are even in standard rn

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Shock and burst?

twilit canyon
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those are shocks

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i actually dont think theres a single 3 damage to any creature

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or pwer

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ik boltwave exists

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oh actually plasma bolt is a thing

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thats sorcery but its 2 and then void 3

fallow citrus
tardy echo
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Lightning helix is almost a bolt worrysad

glad peak
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Just burst and pay kicker icant

sleek ferry
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Alright I fixed it, I added Momo and wan shi tong (you must say his full name)

glad peak
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Now you do (2 +3) * storm count

sleek ferry
twilit canyon
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what if i just call him wan

glad peak
twilit canyon
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or tong

tardy echo
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I’m gonna call him shi

glad peak
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Nah you must call him shi tong

sleek ferry
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  1. What do you wan from me
  2. You ain’t Sisqo
tardy echo
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Wantong…

twilit canyon
glad peak
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But turn that “o” into an “I”

sudden lava
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I accidentally called him washitong at prerelease

twilit canyon
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wan shi ti

sleek ferry
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Damn WotC gave him the glow up

glad peak
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I play shi ting for 20 nyaruhodo

tardy echo
sudden lava
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the birb keeps going up in money value

tardy echo
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Also legend of kyoshi performed better than expected

twilit canyon
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what was that one?/

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[[legend of kyoshi]]

tardy echo
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[[the legend of kyoshi]]

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Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw
step, add a lore counter.)

I — Draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control.
II — Earthbend X, where X is the number of cards in your hand. That land becomes an Island in addition to its other types.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kyoshi
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Lands you control have trample and hexproof.
manat: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
"Only justice will bring peace."
5/4

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Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw
step, add a lore counter.)

I — Draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control.
II — Earthbend X, where X is the number of cards in your hand. That land becomes an Island in addition to its other types.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Avatar Kyoshi
Legendary Creature — Avatar
Lands you control have trample and hexproof.
manat: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
"Only justice will bring peace."
5/4

fallow citrus
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oh wan shi tong is a mythic perfect

twilit canyon
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yeah this is solid for sure

fallow citrus
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my 500 mythic wildcards will be put to good use

tardy echo
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The issue is that this deck feels amazing when I draw badgercub or even just multiple dorks

twilit canyon
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and when u dont its like

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not a deck

tardy echo
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But there is not a high enough density to consistently feel good

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Yeah

twilit canyon
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classic ramp

sudden lava
tardy echo
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I had a turn 3 ugin

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and then I had a game where I didn’t board a single guy until t5 icant

twilit canyon
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and then also a turn 10 ugin

tardy echo
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(I won both)

twilit canyon
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wao

sleek ferry
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Yeah badgermole is fine in standard, nothing more, nothing less

twilit canyon
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magic players fucking love durdling when your explosive ramp deck can win

tardy echo
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Was playing against the azorius voltron thing

sleek ferry
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Now my boy Wan Shi Tong though?

twilit canyon
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after not boarding anything

tardy echo
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And he just kinda fucked around

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I mean I had disruption and stuff but yeah I feel he threw

twilit canyon
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the airbend loop?

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yeah deck's kinda cool

sudden lava
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big stonks

tardy echo
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Nah like the deck with uh

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Idk the name

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Lady spider

sleek ferry
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I’m not a fan of splashing green ngl

tardy echo
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2/2 uw

steady onyx
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ok guys

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im being told

twilit canyon
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hmmm

steady onyx
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[[the end]]

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steady onyx
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to rmove all basic lands

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from player deck??

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is this real

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or fake

twilit canyon
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is it bouncing on it crazy style? (permanents in/out of board)

glad peak
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It’s fake

steady onyx
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awww

glad peak
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It works but it’s bad lmao

sleek ferry
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We bouncing on it crazy

glad peak
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It’s existed for forever with splinter and liquimetal coating

tardy echo
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If ur opp is playing mono green and they earthbend a forest then yes your otherwise terrible card becomes playable

twilit canyon
steady onyx
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ok what do I build

steady onyx
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i have like

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16 rares

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11 mythics

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and like some stuff

tardy echo
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It also doesn’t hit forests on board

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In this instance

twilit canyon
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you should build... nothing you arent ready to commit to if you arent sure

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do you have a deck/archetype you'd like to play?

steady onyx
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fair enough

glad peak
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One shi ting deck icant

twilit canyon
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like immediately?

steady onyx
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i just wanna try then new decks tho

twilit canyon
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otherwise wait

steady onyx
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no\

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hm ok

sudden lava
tardy echo
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I wish green had better interaction on the board that wasn’t fight spells

steady onyx
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back to tft @sleek ferry come with me, new set is based

sleek ferry
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I would wait yeah. You’re not the deckbuilding type Areo, you’re more of a netdecker

steady onyx
sleek ferry
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Which there’s nothing wrong with that

steady onyx
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i fucking suck at building decks

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just give me a list lol

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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But blue removal is. Flawed

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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Without something to pair with

steady onyx
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i mean u got like flood maw

twilit canyon
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u play flood maw, im playing fatal push

tardy echo
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And then a turn later I’m losing to sheltered by ghosts again

steady onyx
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my friends playing golgari midrange

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he rly likes it

twilit canyon
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no im not playing anything rn

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i cant

tardy echo
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I’m wondering if there’s a diff color pairing I can do for ramp

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Or maybe I just play temur and send it icant

twilit canyon
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arena servers cant connect to the lab im in and i have other things i need to do after work until i get back home

sleek ferry
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Misty is busy making out with their SO, so stop pinging her Areo

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Remember what happened last time

twilit canyon
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true!

steady onyx
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bro last time i started playing league

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when that happened

tardy echo
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Misty is 6000 feet beneath the ocean surface analyzing the sonic vibrations of dolphins having sex

twilit canyon
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no unfort shes also not here w me im down in cali

tardy echo
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Word me @clever sun

steady onyx
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thats what started me playing league

tardy echo
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They’re related

twilit canyon
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its actually clams

tardy echo
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Same shit

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Clam sex…

twilit canyon
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no not

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clam sex

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but i am working with clams

tardy echo
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Clapping those shells so hard they’re cracking the fault lines

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I knew it

twilit canyon
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this is why africa is getting a new ocean btw

tardy echo
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???

twilit canyon
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dwai

tardy echo
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I’m thinking maybe

twilit canyon
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it wont be for another couple million years

tardy echo
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What if I do golgari instead of simic

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Is that cope

steady onyx
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no

tardy echo
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Blue cards make it so much easier to find badgermole

steady onyx
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wait what blue cards?

twilit canyon
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the answer is actually simple

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play sultai

tardy echo
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Once llorwyn comes out this becomes so much easier

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Holy true

steady onyx
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sultai reanimator nyaruhodo

tardy echo
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At that point what if I play red less

twilit canyon
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ur not wrong

tardy echo
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And then just plays 5c with energy bending

twilit canyon
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but that will need llorwyn tbh

tardy echo
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gg

steady onyx
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cause we get rest of good lands with lorwen right?

tardy echo
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Llorwyn also lets u literally just play mono green

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Bc of the world champ card

twilit canyon
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hmmm

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but thats kinda boring

tardy echo
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Yeah but probably the most effective

steady onyx
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wait cake can u send me ur list tho

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im curious what ur ramping into

tardy echo
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Pending on if they give any more green stuff

steady onyx
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ive always wanted to play ramp

tardy echo
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Sire

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Kyoshi

steady onyx
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my first standard deck was simic ramp into like koma

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in strixhaven?

tardy echo
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Technically wan shi tong but shrug

steady onyx
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what format was that

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with like the quandax cards

tardy echo
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That’s like a fake ramp thing

twilit canyon
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a bad deck, and a frustrating format

tardy echo
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I did cast wan shi tong draw 6 earlier today though

twilit canyon
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fires of invention was the meta

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and it was really dull overall

steady onyx
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oh idk, i was like rly young

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and i liked simic

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and koma

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so i found a list that played all that shit

twilit canyon
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cant believe u turned out to be a simic player like actually

steady onyx
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god i would play ramp irl if like ugin wasnt 2 bajillion dollars, and sire wasnt 2 bajillion

twilit canyon
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out of all the bs u've ever been up to, that may be the worst below playing league

tardy echo
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Me or areo

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Oh areo

twilit canyon
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areo

steady onyx
tardy echo
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I just wish sultai would come back to standard

steady onyx
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i should just play 5c

tardy echo
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Or green in general

steady onyx
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i ngl only picked up simic midrange because i pulled like the expensive cards from my eoe prerelease

tardy echo
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lol

steady onyx
tardy echo
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Shits been dire

sleek ferry
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Wan shi tong is actually a very good card vs the tempo bounce version of Azorius

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Stay woke

subtle sierra
tardy echo
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Hopefully avatar marks the start of new green

twilit canyon
steady onyx
tardy echo
twilit canyon
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tho its kind of just ok

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sultai dragons should have caught on im kind of sad it didnt

sleek ferry
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The issue with superior is you literally see it coming from a mile away

twilit canyon
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the dragons in the colors are all really nice they just fail to have enough

steady onyx
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u either have the out or you dont

tardy echo
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Without vivi it’s a lot easier to make room for hate

steady onyx
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i feel like theres v little gameplay

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against reanimator

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but idk

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maybe im wrong

tardy echo
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But also it lost to some of the same stuff as vivi shrug

sleek ferry
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You should def have the out post side

subtle sierra
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You actually mained gy hate, now you don't

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So you win g1 almost guaranteed

steady onyx
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and u run shit like the storms?

twilit canyon
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yeah but games 2 and 3 conversely become a nightmare

subtle sierra
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True

tardy echo
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Most played deck plays like 3 different hand hate cards too PoyoyoShrug

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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And can kill you fast enough

steady onyx
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sounds fun

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god

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i kinda wanna pick up a new standard deck by like trading mine in

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but thatsd a STUPID idea

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cause then im never learning anything

twilit canyon
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wait areo ur into legacy why are u wasting time in standard on arena? hop on timeless

steady onyx
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idk shrug_cat

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ngl my favorite format rn is pauper

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100%

tardy echo
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Honestly

steady onyx
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format fucking bangs so hard

twilit canyon
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legacy lite?

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so

tardy echo
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Thinking abt it maybe temur is the wave

twilit canyon
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again, timeless?

steady onyx
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maybe

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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Removal

steady onyx
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lets see what meta is

tardy echo
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Good lessons so I can play accumulate

steady onyx
twilit canyon
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dont go on goldfish for timeless

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  • the meta just shifted today
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cus we got force of negation

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dark depths

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entomb

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mystical tutor

steady onyx
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wait bro bro bro bro

tardy echo
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Did arena really not have depths

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That’s crazy

twilit canyon
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enlightened tutor

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and worldly tutor

steady onyx
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why does this list hvae like 20 mh cards in it

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😭

twilit canyon
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because we have mh3 on arena

tardy echo
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MH cards are good I fear

twilit canyon
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nadu is near full power in timeless rn

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its only missing the cephalid breakfast combo

steady onyx
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but isnt legacy like kinda expensive

twilit canyon
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timeless on arena is free

steady onyx
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i mean yeah

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but a lot of wildcards

twilit canyon
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im gonna get back friday and im gonna strip mine ppl with force of negation back up with my psychic frog in play

tardy echo
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Misty can I bounce a few deck ideas off u tomorrow for this

twilit canyon
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yeah

tardy echo
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I would now but I’m at work

twilit canyon
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i cant play, but i can still brew

steady onyx
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is oops in timeless?

twilit canyon
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of course

steady onyx
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lol

twilit canyon
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you can dark rit into oops even

tardy echo
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Oops is legacy goated

twilit canyon
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you have both belcher and spy

steady onyx
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wait so is timeless basically just legacy?

twilit canyon
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timeless is actually stronger than legacy rn and lowkey its more fun

steady onyx
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is pitch black a real dekc?

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with like soul spike

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
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opp agent is brutal

tardy echo
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Timeless is to legacy as explorer is to pioneer as brawl is to duel commander

twilit canyon
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and ppl sleep on it

tardy echo
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Slightly different but same idea

twilit canyon
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yeah kinda

steady onyx
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i really wanna play pitch black if i buy a real legacy dekc

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ngl

twilit canyon
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only timeless is on significantly more coke

steady onyx
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cause its kinda cheap

tardy echo
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And alchemy/arena balanced

tardy echo
twilit canyon
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nah

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it is intentional

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they mentioned it

tardy echo
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On god??

twilit canyon
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cus ppl asked for strip mine ban and they said "nah we want it in there"

tardy echo
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They didn’t want legacy digital they wanted vintage…

twilit canyon
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yeah actually

steady onyx
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bro

twilit canyon
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they only restricted like 2 cards

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which honestly shouldnt be restricted after this latest drop

steady onyx
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i wanna play badgermole, i wanna play appa and aang, i wanna play ouroboid, i wanna play everything

tardy echo
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Does timeless have any of the legacy bans

twilit canyon
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fon saves the meta

steady onyx
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100 card 5c standard deck

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:)

twilit canyon
tardy echo
#

Holy

twilit canyon
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it has a restricted list

tardy echo
#

It’s literally vintage

twilit canyon
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and it includes like 3 cards

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tibalts trickery, dem tutor, and channel

tardy echo
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LMFAO

twilit canyon
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u will legit get sacked turn 1

tardy echo
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Trickery and channel otw to being the most banned cards ever

twilit canyon
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it is that type of format

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i saw someone dem tutor me into trickery emrakul once

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i was mad asf

tardy echo
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Trickery might be the most hated card in the game

twilit canyon
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but then another game someone show and telled and i dropped my own omni and i used borne upon to win on their turn

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force of negation will help the sacky nature of it

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but the sacky nature of the format is intentional

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its why they have chrome mox -> strip mine + drs + w6

tardy echo
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I didn’t realize ritual was banned in historic

steady onyx
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bro when will ther be pauiper on arena

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:(

twilit canyon
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pauper is on arena but its rotating

steady onyx
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wdym

twilit canyon
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it comes up as an event with some regularity

steady onyx
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oloh

twilit canyon
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pauper and artisan

steady onyx
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fun

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god i got a 3v3 in like 2 weeks

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i need to lock in

twilit canyon
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but they arent made into official formats on arena bc they have concerns over player retention of it

steady onyx
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ive been on fire recently tho

twilit canyon
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due to modo stats too

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they want modo to stil have a purpose

steady onyx
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fair enoguh

clever sun
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Oh California apparently

steady onyx
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@sleek ferry can u share ur aang list?

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im curiopus what it looks like

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i think aang is my fave new card from set so far

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but idk

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just wanna see how u play w him

zinc shard
steady onyx
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@sleek ferry can we play atraxa colors to play [[fangkeepers familiar]]

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Creature — Snake
Flash
When this creature enters, choose one —
• You gain 3 life and surveil 3. (Look at the top three cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Counter target creature spell.
3/3

steady onyx
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or not worth

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or hell splash the black ?

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if we are already on bant

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cause this card is SICKKKK

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i love it so much

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also we could play [[rakshas bargain]]

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steady onyx
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wait this seems sick

twilit canyon
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fangkeeper's is solid, but not worth a black splash

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and neither is bargain

steady onyx
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but dosent airbending fangkeepers sound sick as shit

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or hell ephemerating fangkeepers

twilit canyon
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yes, and?

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good habit to form: ask what the card's doing in the worst possible scenarios

steady onyx
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staying in hand for 4mana

twilit canyon
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alright, now go a step up

steady onyx
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is fangkeepers rly not good in like any deck tho

twilit canyon
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flash in as a 3/3 efender

steady onyx
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like either enchanemtnt removal, counterpsll,

twilit canyon
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*blocket

steady onyx
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ohwait this card sucks

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i trhought it was counter anything

twilit canyon
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counter creature, or destroy enchantment

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this is good actually

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gain 3 surveil 3

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thats fine

steady onyx
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but isnt artifcat important aswell?

twilit canyon
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a surveil 2 is about 1 draw

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so surveil 3 is about 1.5 cards

steady onyx
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like this is my horrible deckbuilding skills

twilit canyon
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but truly think about the use case scenarios and what can happen when your deck you want this card in (or any card)

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and how it looks when things dont pan out

sleek ferry
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You know what’s actually cool? Momo making sage of the sky 2 mana

twilit canyon
#

good way to view that actually

steady onyx
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idk to me, the card is 4 mana and it is flash, with a 3/3 body, it can either surveil 3 and gain 3 which can help against amono red aggro deck or a more aggro deck that you need to lifegain against, destroy target enchentment is like fine into some decks that have enchanemtns u wanna rmove but its just nice to have that as a plus, and then the main case to me sems to be a creature countersell that gives u a body

twilit canyon
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look at momo

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1 mana

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legendary

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1/1

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flyer

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whats the worst case?

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you play it turn 1, they kill it

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thats... fine

steady onyx
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they prob spent 2 mana

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so u are happy

twilit canyon
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maybe they didnt

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maybe it was 1

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but again, they used removal on it

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so you dont care much

steady onyx
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and not on smt that matters

twilit canyon
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then escalate a bit

steady onyx
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cause it was just ur one drop

twilit canyon
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it sticks around, but you dont have a flyer to follow up

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well its still a 1/1

steady onyx
#

its 1 evasion damage

twilit canyon
#

with flying

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yep

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and then go up again

steady onyx
#

and if u have a flyer the card seems insane

twilit canyon
#

you are discounting a flyer, but its a 2 mana flye

steady onyx
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sure

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now 2/2 evasion

twilit canyon
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so now its a 2/2, it discounted a single card by 1, and thats... still p good

sleek ferry
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It’s a 1 mana evasive attacker at worst, they knew not to give it the discount during either turn though sigh

twilit canyon
#

this way of thinking will definitely disproportionately affect how u see more expensive cards, but using context can help evaluate them better

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so we loop back to fangkeeers

sleek ferry
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2 mana aang and 2 mana aven would have gone so hard

twilit canyon
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4 mana

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1 + sultai

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3/3

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so below rate

steady onyx
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for a 3/3 body

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and it dosent have any evasion

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or anything

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outside its etb effect

twilit canyon
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it does surveil 3 and gains 3 on etb

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thats ok

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true worst case: its uncastable

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especially in your deck

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this should basically mean its not going to be in your deck rn

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but lets entertain it say u can actually cast it

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then the worst case is that its a 4 mana 3/3 with surveil and gain 3

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would your deck actually care about any of this?

steady onyx
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no

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lol

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mayube like hit a aang or something

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but like shrug_cat

twilit canyon
#

does it need 3 power creatures? is the graveyard stuff of surveil good? what about the 3 life?

sleek ferry
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I think when analyzing cards like fangkeeper’s, you should look at what other modal creatures are doing at around the same rate/cheaper also

steady onyx
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surveil could be nice but gy dosent matter

twilit canyon
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next, you consider whether countering a creature matters for your deck as is

twilit canyon
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bc for areo here, i want him to start thinking about individual cards

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cus individual card eval matters more for brewing with new cards than other cards

steady onyx
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hm wait wait

twilit canyon
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even if it is good to see about the whole context

steady onyx
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let me take another card im thinkin about and try myselfg

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[[anang at the crossroads]]

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sleek ferry
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I only say that, because we have the other momo, which I initially thought was ass, and then I read it

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Now I think it’s okay

twilit canyon
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oh and individual card eval is good for drafting blind

steady onyx
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worst case scenario 5 mana 3/3 with flying 1 + bant
then if i can get its etb it gives me itself plus POTENTIALLY another body (idk what percetnage on that is but in a deck built with it in mind lets say 80% of the time (maybe less like 60 idk)
then if i get its leave trigger, i get a 4/4 flier
if it lives to combat I get a 2/2 every time it lives
but it has to stick around to get the 4/4 flyer and the more 2/2

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it seems to expensive to me

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but idk

twilit canyon
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its 2 + bant

steady onyx
#

yes

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whihc is why it feels expensive

twilit canyon
#

worst case is it gets stuck in hand

steady onyx
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oh i see

twilit canyon
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but say u can cast it, its 5 mana

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you'd have to brick 5 turns in a row to never cast it in a deck where you (hopefully) mathed it out how to cast a bant colors on turn 5

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etb, it can draw 1 but it cant draw itself so multiples can make this ability whiff

steady onyx
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draw 1?

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dosent it just put on battlefield

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or r u considering that draw

twilit canyon
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as draw

steady onyx
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ok

twilit canyon
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since in theory theres ins outs to cheating things into play

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eh if u wanna be pedantic its a +0 neutral on its investment

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and then, it has a conditional transformation

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when a card flips, unless it can always guarantee flip itself or its condition to flip is so arbitrary through normal game mechanics, dont consider it as anything to start

steady onyx
#

ok

twilit canyon
#

so in essence, this is just a 5 mana bant card with flying as a 3/3 that can +1 your board

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with a whiff possibility

steady onyx
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when do i think about using it with other cards

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cause to me the reason i feel u run it in this deck

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is with like ur airbending triggering transform and potentially the etb again

twilit canyon
#

in short: dont

steady onyx
#

ok

twilit canyon
#

because a game of magic can mean u will never get this synergy to work

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your opponent may have all the removal spells ready for aang

steady onyx
#

if i have to think about that its prob not worth it then?

twilit canyon
#

or maybe, you just are never able to get this to work with another creature at the same time

twilit canyon
#

the thing to consider, eventually, is how good the base effect is

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and if it that is worth it baseline

steady onyx
#

hm

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i would say no for this card think

twilit canyon
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and thats a good conclusion to reach. this doesnt mean that this card wont see play

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but if it doesnt, u understand why it wont as well

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if viewed very favorably, this is effectively a 5 mana collected company

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if your deck can meet the coco conditions, maybe it can have something

steady onyx
#

ok

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i get this

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azorious does seem super fun tho

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i may look into it

sleek ferry
#

Btw, is warp riddler into splash portal actually decent? I felt like it was cope

twilit canyon
#

its ok

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def on the weaker end

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mostly cus u have fuck all else to splash portal really

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but its fine

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the rizzler is a good card

sleek ferry
#

I could probably play riddler here high key

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I was out here playing games with this kid

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He was trying to hard to remove my flyers

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And I just kept bouncing them

tardy echo
clever sun
#

West coasters are insane...

tardy echo
#

The San Andreas fault line happened for a reason

glad peak
#

Whose fault was it?

trail anvil
#

[[katara, waterbending master]] this card was a disgusting brawl commander when I faced it

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atomic harness
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Goat card

trail anvil
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like you don't even have to connect with her, if you throw her into a creature to die then you can still end up drawing a crazy amount of cards 😭

tardy echo
#

Idk I feel like mono blue has so many commanders that are more degen

trail anvil
#

I mean 2 mana draw 5 discard 1 is pretty darn solid idk lol

subtle sierra
atomic harness
#

What about WST?

trail anvil
#

I feel like wan shi tong is way better in 4p formats than 1v1. I think he also scales with the number of searches you expect in the game

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a flash hydroid krasis is really damn good but also takes time to scale

stark skiff
atomic harness
stark skiff
subtle sierra
#

16

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Ren is rich

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So are you

atomic harness
subtle sierra
fallow citrus
#

god bless

steady onyx
#

bro im tilting rn btw

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badgermole is 60$

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😭

subtle sierra
#

How are you complaining about badger and not wan shi tong

steady onyx
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cause im not playing wan shi tong in my deck

stark skiff
#

It’s still presale prices. It’ll drop a bit lol

steady onyx
#

how much is a bit

golden plover
#

Okay badgermole is probably too good, but it's satisfying as fuck to bounce their lands with floodmaw

fallow citrus
twilit canyon
#

genuinely the reason why jeskai blink is fake. add a psychic frog and watch how fast lethal presents itself

twilit canyon
#

typical early format greed

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"yes add two doppelgangs in, it'll steal games!"

tardy echo
#

I feel like ur ramp payoffs should be cards that can win on their own and also stabilize if you’re in a bad spot (sire)

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(Ugin)

twilit canyon
#

wan shi tong too lowkey

tardy echo
#

Very much

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And marang is also a good slot

twilit canyon
#

ya

tardy echo
#

But craterhoof/doppelgang/whatever are just like

twilit canyon
#

i can semi excuse hoof

tardy echo
#

Pray I don’t play against aggro pray all my mana dorks stick pray that they don’t draw the removal spell

twilit canyon
#

it isnt totally uncastable

tardy echo
#

It’s just like

twilit canyon
#

and worst case it still haste swings

#

but doppel is troll

tardy echo
#

When ur casting craterhoof entirely with mana from dorks its attacking on its own

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And then you’re losing to way too much stuff

#

I just think sire is prob the safest thing u can cast for 7 that wins

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And/or ugin I’m still trying to figure out ratios with that

twilit canyon
#

i think ugin is probably not as safe as sire into aggro but kind of better elsewhere

fallow citrus
#

interesting bug?

subtle sierra
#

uhhh you good buddy

golden plover
#

This deck FUCKS

subtle sierra
#

oh you guys are doing the bounce variants?

#

i've been doing bant

golden plover
#

We run aang to bounce their shit

subtle sierra
#

oh this is just with cosmogrand?

golden plover
#

Yeah sorta

subtle sierra
#

oh ic

#

this goes a bit more into tempo ig

tardy echo
subtle sierra
#

i like bant more but tempo is prob better

tardy echo
#

Esp if u draw both but obv that needs a lot to go right

golden plover
#

We're not self bouncing at all. We're just flashing in our guys to prevent them from playing

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I know the bant list has a cute infinite combo, but it's too cute and not good imo

#

Interrupter with airbending is nasty

subtle sierra
#

yeah i thought the deck is only the combo but all the airbending stuff works really well even if you don't draw it

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say you have aven appa ascension, you can comfortably loop aven here for 2 "counters" a turn

golden plover
#

I mean, Aang is just aven interrupter #5-8 in this list

tardy echo
#

@twilit canyon would [[natures calling]] be ass

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tardy echo
#

Grahhh

#

[[natures rhythm]]

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twilit canyon
#

yeah

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kinda

tardy echo
twilit canyon
#

we have genesis wave

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[[genesis wave]]

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golden plover
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Wasn't there some cute combo with Nature's Calling that sucks?

#

Iirc you do something with that 2 mana 8/8

tardy echo
#

Wave is def nice but I also want more early/mid game consistency

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Maybe archdruids charm gp_borpa

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Also has flexibility

sleek ferry
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golden plover
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I played against this earlier, it felt bad for them lol

sleek ferry
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Obviously clickbait title, but I love the idea of cutting raise the past

golden plover
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It's too slow for the raise the past build

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And it's not good enough on its own

twilit canyon
tardy echo
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Flexibility in being a tutor also

twilit canyon
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does mean ur mono green and splashing gets more awkward

tardy echo
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I was already on very few blue cards

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I wish the ug verge was the other way around

glad peak
sleek ferry
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What would a 5 color mana base look like pre Lorwyn

tardy echo
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4/4 passage starting town surely

sleek ferry
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4 jasmine tea house also (it’s for allies)

tardy echo
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Then u also play 4 cavern no?

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Then the rest of the base shouldn’t be too tough

steady onyx
subtle sierra
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airbending is broken

steady onyx
#

why 6?

tardy echo
steady onyx
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:(

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but i like it

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its fun!

tardy echo
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Every ramp condition is fun

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That’s the whole point

steady onyx
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we ramp into!!!

tardy echo
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Playing the most fun cards on turn 3 or 4 gp_borpa

steady onyx
#

[[primeval titan]]

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steady onyx
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and we have an [[amulet of vigor]] on the field!!

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tardy echo
steady onyx
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idk what amulet titan actually does in modern

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this is just what my vintage cube draft deck was

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and prime time on t4 is hilarious

tardy echo
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Amulet titan can do whatever it wants

steady onyx
#

it sounds fun

tardy echo
#

It used to be more fun

steady onyx
#

is it mono green?

#

what colors u run

twilit canyon
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all of them

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core green

#

the deck really can do anything

steady onyx
#

oh

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ok

twilit canyon
#

im p sure u can run doom on amulet titan

steady onyx
#

really

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doomsday amulet tian combo

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sounds hilarious

twilit canyon
#

yeah tho there are optimal lines in context

steady onyx
#

hm

#

modern seems mildly intereting

golden plover
#

Oh nice. If you airbend an animated land (except one that was earthbent) they don't get it back

steady onyx
#

and domain zoo is cool

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and eldrazi and tron seems cool

golden plover
#

Just took my opponent's restless reef away and they just outright lose it

twilit canyon
#

but they do seem cool

subtle sierra
#

god can ppl just fucking concede when they see they will die

#

we're both wasting 5 minutes of our life brother

golden plover
#

Especially those fucking Ketramose players gaining 3 life a turn

subtle sierra
#

it's even worse cause you know

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i play the loop

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it takes a bit of time to make like 20 tokens

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irl i can just say i do this 2 million times, i have 1 million tokens

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die

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but you can't in mtga

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and even if you do it fast they still have a max timer on the turn

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ppl literally spend five minutes looking at me loop then die next turn

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i need to find some kind of tech of seriema to kill them immediately specifically on mtga icant

zinc shard
golden plover
zinc shard
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This episode's gonna be peak

glad peak
#

ah yes, when the cabbage merchant mistook a hornet's nest as a cabbage

subtle sierra
#

idt it's worth

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i was thinking of something like that red creature i ran in roots to kill on my turn but it's both non legendary and rotated

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ehhh i'll just have to live with it

tardy echo
#

Trying gruul ramp now

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Blue cards suck…

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And r/g has some good mana dorks

steady onyx
#

esp[ the new one

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from uhm

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spiderman

zinc shard
#

Goated packs

trail anvil
#

nice

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northern air temple my beloved

#

these new shrines are actually crack

steady onyx
#

pauper is too addicting guys

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i just wanna keep building decks

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cause they are all so cool

tardy echo
#

They even look like cool cards just for like sythis/whatever g/w deck

trail anvil
#

sadly I feel like you need a decent amount of them to scale

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or probably not sadly, considering how good some of these damn cards are when they hit lmao

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but god with this many good shrines you can actually kill and sustain yourself so easily, feels so good

atomic harness
trail anvil
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renfie you should totally play go-shintai brawl, the format is fun again 😌

atomic harness
#

I might...

trail anvil
#

👀

stark skiff
#

@atomic harness bless me

atomic harness
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Glgl

subtle sierra
#

gl adam

trail anvil
#

I bless this box with a wan shi tong and badgermole cub

subtle sierra
#

get even richer

stark skiff
#

apparently cabbage mercent extended foil is 45 bucks lol

subtle sierra
#

ppl like his cabbages

trail anvil
#

cabbage merchant is a pretty fun commander

stark skiff
#

Okay I’m a complete sucker. Come back @atomic harness lend me your energy

atomic harness
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Double fon and foil wst is crazy

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Gl

subtle sierra
#

you will get some good aang

stark skiff
fallow citrus
#

washington...

trail anvil
#

goddamn

subtle sierra
#

this isn't a good aang

#

but it's a good bird

stark skiff
#

Nothing that great besides him tbh. I legit got none of the Meyer borderless cards lol

past socket
#

Got the Mayer Sozin’s during prerelease

fallow citrus
subtle sierra
#

What

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Why tf would you play aang at the crossroads

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This eats shit to anything adjacent to aggro

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I like the dorks tho

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Still not getting badger tho

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The deck is really good but you don't focus on the combo, if that makes sense

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You just play aven aang as stall and fake tempo, that has the combo as a finisher

subtle sierra
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yep i tried this and immediately got my shit kicked in, that many mana dorks is not the way

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like, hooray i have this, too bad i ate shit into 3 removals

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what a deck huh

fallow citrus
#

god I wish I had the wildcards for this

subtle sierra
#

yeah that's a lot

fallow citrus
#

just a few

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probably like 30+ rares

trail anvil
#

there goes aang at the crossroads again nyaruhodo

subtle sierra
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lmao can you not pay X costs with a spell that was airbent?

trail anvil
#

I don't imagine so?

subtle sierra
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crazy

trail anvil
#

since it forces you to pay 2

#

did you airbend an owl

subtle sierra
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i just aang'ed a x=12 wan shi tong

trail anvil
#

doing that into open blue mana is so greedy lmao

subtle sierra
#

kid is playing dork turbo

trail anvil
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this really is giving me the ratatouille meme though with hydroid krasis

subtle sierra
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i have combo it's over

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ok it took them 3 minutes of looping to realize they fucking lost

fallow citrus
subtle sierra
#

imma say "do u accept i have 1 million tokens?" irl

twilit canyon
steady onyx
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bro i love spy

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but this burn matchup is something

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i played 4 games 3 post board 1 pre board

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0-4

sudden lava
# stark skiff

wait is white lotus tile borderless actually pricey? cuz I have one

stark skiff
sudden lava
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ah ok

sleek ferry
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so there's a funny rakdos deck going around, I kidna want to waste my wildcards on it because I know I can make it reach mythic

sleek ferry
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No matter what it takes, I will make Mono Black work in the new Standard meta using Avatar: The Last Airbender cards.

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subtle sierra
steady onyx
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@sleek ferry can u plz send me ur azorious list

sleek ferry
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I don't share lists until I hit mythic

steady onyx
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i just wanan see the gist of the deck bro

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ok made the deck

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subtle sierra
golden plover
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It's weirdly refreshing that the most problematic deck in the game now is simic