RD just wont be W’ing quite as much 
#Magic the Gathering
tardy echo
Brother mono red aggro is literally the easiest deck ever conceived you will not have to make a single comprehensive thought
These people are not real
sleek ferry
Accumulate Wisdom is an early ban candidate post Strixhaven high key
steady onyx
Brother mono red aggro is literally the easiest deck ever conceived you will not...
the problem is i make bad thoughts
im like rly bad mr cake
tardy echo
Do u think we have enough good lessons in standard as is
steady onyx
im trying to learn though
twilit canyon
Do u think we have enough good lessons in standard as is
yeah
trail anvil
bro giving maindeck playable lessons makes it so we can't get learn again yeah?
twilit canyon
theres enough playable to good lessons
steady onyx
i need a lesson
tardy echo
I haven’t been keeping up super hard w the avatar reveals in honesty
steady onyx
sigh
twilit canyon
bro giving maindeck playable lessons makes it so we can't get learn again yeah?
no reason i dont see why not
tardy echo
bro giving maindeck playable lessons makes it so we can't get learn again yeah?
Like that’s ever stopped wotc
trail anvil
I think it's too much flexibility now, lessons used to be niche n shit
twilit canyon
for some of these lessons, its wrong to board them tho
trail anvil
now I think it's closer to companion
steady onyx
can someone play webcam duel pauper legacy or standard w/ me at some point
sleek ferry
*post*?
Yeah, same way Proft was always just blue up the beanstalk, but it took Riddler coming into the meta for most common folk to realize "wait this card is completely unreasonable".
steady onyx
so i can get more practice?
sleek ferry
I'm still on record btw that Cauldron was the hit to make over Vivi if we were just going to hit 1 and not the other
twilit canyon
Yeah, same way Proft was always just blue up the beanstalk, but it took Riddler ...
blue beanstalk is crazy but i do agree that proft's was way stronger than ppl gave it credit for
steady onyx
i need to practice mono u fae in pauper spy in pauper, painter in legacy and simic ouro for standard
twilit canyon
just unmitigated raw threat creation for simple game progress
twilit canyon
I'm still on record btw that Cauldron was the hit to make over Vivi if we were j...
losing proft and vivi tho is enough tbh
tardy echo
Just between u and me chat blue beanstalk is stock up 
glad peak
welp the pioneer guy i know is saying heartfire shouldn't have been banned because he "uses it fairly"
thoughts?
tardy echo
Why do u get ragebaited so easily
steady onyx
Just between u and me chat blue beanstalk is stock up <:gp_borpa:886980003600949...
bro stock up sucks 
trail anvil
blue beanstalk doesn't exist because beans is just a busted continuous source of advantage
trail anvil
bro stock up sucks <:ConcernedFrogeEmote:920048492641148958>
nah that's crazy
steady onyx
read consult
glad peak
Why do u get ragebaited so easily
because it's funny
steady onyx
sleek ferry
losing proft and vivi tho is enough tbh
no ofc, the banlist did its job. But, I still had my preference either ways. Regardless, TLA should shake the meta up enough to keep it fresh for a good 4-6 weeks
trail anvil
I'm looking forward to playing a non-red color
sleek ferry
Standard has some sneaky earthbend interactions, though nowhere as good as literally every other format
twilit canyon
r/g earthbend will take over
tardy echo
I was having some fun playing pixie
trail anvil
god it's really a good thing we got strip mine banned before earthbend was introduced into brawl!
holy fuck I would genuinely crash out on wotc if I got earthbent strip mined!
twilit canyon
no
tardy echo
Avatar certainly seems to have cards that are good for it
tardy echo
god it's really a good thing we got strip mine banned before earthbend was intro...
Wasteland reprint in avatar bonus sheet incoming
twilit canyon
its just not the same...
i will miss strip mine
only to go do it in timeless later
trail anvil
it's okay I'm rooting for you to use badgermole cub with strip mine later in timeless ❤️
sleek ferry
It's funny how Timeless has just been accepted as the degen format and everybody's just cool with it, because why not
tardy echo
there needs to be a degen format sigh
twilit canyon
we are stronger than legacy now pretty solidly
tardy echo
Vintage is hype
sleek ferry
Vintage is just yugioh with more interesting play patterns
twilit canyon
legacy actually has nothing on timeless except the bad initiative cards
and i've already made my moves to get wotc adding them
i have ian on the phone rn
trail anvil
so nadu found a place to be balanced? 😌
glad peak
we should print more initiative cards but actually have a cost
sleek ferry
We'll get D&D set #3 in 2027
tardy echo
Vintage is just yugioh with more interesting play patterns
Yugioh will never have a deck as funny as oath
sleek ferry
Well yeah, hence why I said with more interesting game patterns
twilit canyon
power cube on arena is super funny when u oath and both of u drop emrakuls
trail anvil
We'll get D&D set #3 in 2027
btw speaking of, wizards needs to give us the original d&d commanders w/ backgrounds
we have the technology now
sleek ferry
Yugioh is stuck in 1cc and t0 hell until konami thinks of something even more broken
trail anvil
I still think t0 is how you actually end up balancing yugioh at the end of the day tbh
transferring plays from handtraps to interactive turns means you can focus more on in-archetype cards 
sleek ferry
transferring plays from handtraps to interactive turns means you can focus more ...
I've been calling for stronger in-archetype cards for years to expand power level there, and instead they gave us generic t0 tools in k9 and dtail
tardy echo
There’s a bunch of triggers from deck now
glad peak
charmers living in the future and still doing nothing
tardy echo
Charmer has most of them
glad peak
the hand is a private info zone 
twilit canyon
my boi panglacial worm over here
sleek ferry
wait till we get the handtrap that activates from your ED and ignores summoning conditions to ss itself
twilit canyon
transitioned into the charmers
glad peak
wait till we get the handtrap that activates from your ED and ignores summoning ...
and then after that a "fixed" version that activate from ED that dumps a monster from ED as cost
sleek ferry
nah, the fixed version says "You can only activate this Once per Duel." Habakiri ass design
subtle sierra
triggering in a private info zone is still wild to me
eh
we used to have stuff trigger in extra deck
trail anvil
sorry wrong term
well ig triggering in main deck isn't that bad unless you have to search out the card again to confirm its text
subtle sierra
the charmer familiars don't actually trigger
they just special summon themselves
i think the only things to trigger/activate are serpentine princess and dark sage (in ocg)
sleek ferry
give it a couple of hours
trail anvil
bans are live on arena 
tardy echo
I actually dk if I had any of the bans crafted
I think I pulled a few nemesis and like 1 vivi
I struggle to imagine dimir isn’t the best deck in standard now though
At least until avatar comes out
I guess that’s what people said last time too though
sleek ferry
Dimir gets a whole 1 week
tardy echo
Holy shit I haven’t opened arena since before Spider-Man
sleek ferry
before they lose to my UW strat
tardy echo
I didn’t even realize
zinc shard
Hell yea
tardy echo
Why did it make me update my account info 
zinc shard
sucks I didnt get wildcards for the Brawl bans
sleek ferry
sigh, I only got 3 rare 2 mythic
tardy echo
I got 2 mythic and nothing else
twilit canyon
eh
tardy echo
I have been paying negative attention
tardy echo
But it’s modal
twilit canyon
again tho i do think the lessons are way stronger than ppl realize
tardy echo
2 mana 2/2 or thoughtseize?
twilit canyon
payday's here
twilit canyon
its all out now
tardy echo
its all out now
I thought there were still a few left but nvm
zinc shard
nope
tardy echo
But yeah some of these are lit idk
sleek ferry
Is dimir getting anything nice in avatar
nope, but you may be tempted to go Esper, but it's not going to be the same as current Dimir deck
tardy echo
Man idgaf about ub sets themselves but I just want more fun pws 
Idek who they’d have in lorwyn
trail anvil
yeah we really are lacking on planeswalkers damn
tardy echo
A few of them still got it going on
sleek ferry
I wish we still had [[wrenn and realmbreaker]] in standard
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Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
Lands you control have "
: Add one mana of any color."
+1: Up to one target land you control becomes a 3/3 Elemental creature with vigilance, hexproof, and haste until your next turn. It's still a land.
−2: Mill three cards. You may put a permanent card from among the milled cards into your hand.
−7: You get an emblem with "You may play lands and cast permanent spells from your graveyard."
Loyalty: 4
tardy echo
This was a fun card
gritty nest
Am I lucky to have some enduring curiosities before today’s B&R announcement?
sleek ferry
I mean, do you plan on playing dimir or simic midrange in standard?
If so, yes
If not, probably still yes as they might go up in price
tardy echo
I personally also miss Liliana and Chandra 
sleek ferry
6 mana Chandra?
tardy echo
Yeah
Copy spell add mana etc
But also they’ve still been printing pws since the desparking
They just aren’t really able to in ub sets unless u do some crazy mental gymnastics
fallow citrus
like CLB
tardy echo
Far less per set than they used to though
1-2 in each non ub set when during new Phyrexia sets they were putting out like 4-6
Pretty sure all will be one had like 11 or some crazy shit
fallow citrus
like why was minsc and boo a planeswalker
tardy echo
Why not I guess
sleek ferry
tardy echo
I’d rather not
sleek ferry
It looks like you
sleek ferry
(You’re Realmbreaker, I’m Wrenn)
sleek ferry
W7 was ass
tardy echo
Yes but w7 was hype
fallow citrus
I miss [[lolth spider queen]]
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tardy echo
Mill 4 put all lands from ur hand otb infinite hand size
What’s not to enjoy
I’m a big fan of pws who get loyalty thru alt conditions in general
Teferi is another one
sleek ferry
https://scryfall.com/card/afr/112/lolth-spider-queen
Now this was hype
For the time
Now I can confidently say, nobody misses [[Vraska, Betrayal’s Sting]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Vraska
Compleated (
can be paid with 
or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
0: You draw a card and you lose 1 life. Proliferate.
−2: Target creature becomes a Treasure artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color" and loses all other card types and abilities.
−9: If target player has fewer than nine poison counters, they get a number of poison counters equal to the difference.
Loyalty: 6
fallow citrus
I’m a big fan of pws who get loyalty thru alt conditions in general
yeah they are cool
gritty nest
If not, probably still yes as they might go up in price
Don’t plan to, but needed them for other non standard decks
tardy echo
Now I can confidently say, nobody misses [[Vraska, Betrayal’s Sting]]
If the -9 was less annoying it would’ve been hype actually
But I just think most cards built around poison counters are needlessly annoying
trail anvil
ah good ol vraska innkeeper instant kill
trail anvil
just won a game with no cards left in my library and it wasn't jace 
trail anvil
also
sleek ferry
copper pecan
nah op is right, that's a completely disproportionate reaction
past socket
They both fucked up by being on Twitter to begin with
twilit canyon
commander needs to be destroyed asap
lusty trench
nah op is right, that's a completely disproportionate reaction
Ikr thats perfectly good cardboard going un eaten
hidden ermine
glad peak
commander needs to be destroyed asap
Correct opinion
past socket
Sorry to go all “a hit dog hollers” or whatever and don’t know if its meant to be ironic but honestly the bit about hating commander just really makes this chat uncomfortable to use
Not trying to clutch my pearls and get mad but just putting it out there
steady onyx
commander needs to be destroyed asap
u should paly pauper or legacy with me misty :) ill smoke U 
glad peak
Nah, Misty’s actually good
glad peak
I miss shadow
steady onyx
i miss being a child
glad peak
Hopefully it’ll come back
steady onyx
college fucking sucks lol
glad peak
Yeah but shadow actually has a chance
sleek ferry
i miss being a child
When the hell did you stop being one lol
sleek ferry
X
trail anvil
I'm so not used to that thundertrap trainer art
subtle sierra
sleek ferry
Here’s the context btw https://x.com/ashlizzlle_/status/1988013236973719920?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
subtle sierra
so what do we think will be meta after avatar release
twilit canyon
another 3 months of mono red aggro
subtle sierra
😭
sleek ferry
Esper midrange piloted by me
copper pecan
so what do we think will be meta after avatar release
green is looking pretty good
sleek ferry
Rakdos aggro also piloted by me
copper pecan
[[badgermole cub]] lets you get to 6 mana turn 3
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Creature — Badger Mole
When this creature enters, earthbend 1. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
Whenever you tap a creature for mana, add an additional 
.
Every mountain starts as a molehill.
2/2
subtle sierra
yeah i kinda want something green cause i like sandman but none of those are really control leaning decks
i tried sultai and i like it a lot when it works, but there's a decent amount of times it doesn't 
sleek ferry
You could probably go simic/bant and lean into lessons matter with gran gran
subtle sierra
oh yeah i should look into lessons
hmm accumulate wisdom sounds nice if you have lessons
idk what the payoff for the deck is tho
twilit canyon
raw value into a strong wincon should be good
subtle sierra
like you get accumulate wisdom and abandon attachments for card draw that's lessons, you have combustion technique and quench for removal but like
it really sounds like you wanna play izzet with this but surely there are better izzet things
like gran gran is cute but she doesn't sound that good
master pakku is cute too but they won't let you mill that fast
and both of those want some waterbending outlet
like idk, just use lessons as a draw engine that makes wisdom draw 3 for 2 mana later? 
like the only two payoffs that i see that could work are [[dragonfly swarm]] and [[serpent of the pass]] but like lol
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Creature — Dragon Insect
Flying, ward 
(Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
This creature's power is equal to the number of noncreature, nonland cards in your graveyard.
When this creature dies, if there's a Lesson card in your graveyard, draw a card.
*/3
Creature — Serpent
If there are three or more Lesson cards in your graveyard, you may cast this spell as though it had flash.
This spell costs less to cast for each noncreature, nonland card in your graveyard.
Those who walk the Serpent's Pass quickly discover the origin of its name.
6/5
zinc shard
I wanna give mono blue tempo a try
[[Ty Lee, Chi Blocker]] [[Wan Shi Tony, Librarian]]
subtle sierra
i wanna try some azorius tempo with airbending, but idt it has enough to push the damage before they recast all the stuff
it's not like you're gonna draw avatar's wrath all the time
sleek ferry
i wanna try some azorius tempo with airbending, but idt it has enough to push th...
There’s an Azorius tempo deck I have in mind, I just can’t decide if I like Momo or Lightstall better as my 1 drop
But besides that, the deck builds itself
sleek ferry
I think the big issue holding it back rn is the lack of Hallowed Fountain for Azorius till Lorwyn
subtle sierra
that is true but manageable
sleek ferry
the problem with momo is that he only discounts on your turn
Yes that does suck, but you get to do cute stuff like 1 mana Kirin on your turn, bounce your Aang/interrupter, reset your interaction or if you’re playing cryogen, bounce that for some draws
The deck has pieces, the question is how are we maximizing the deck’s potential
subtle sierra
i was thinking of the airbend as a control shell, but i'm a control addict
and idt it works in that
steady onyx
i wish [[ozai the phoenix king]] was playable in standard :(
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golden plover
steady onyx
@glad peak i wanna go to pauper locals today but im missing.2 land grant have everything else, am i crazy to play 2 land grant 5 lands 1 petal and idk like a last one of that maybe does something
sleek ferry
Secured my Friday Prerelease spot for 3PM
steady onyx
you'll be fine for most times
i mean the worst part will be my inexperience tho
but thats why im going
to get more practice
tardy echo
I think legacy isn’t broken enough anymore. They should unban channel, just to keep life interesting. Word me @twilit canyon
tardy echo
Channel definitely my favorite card that’s banned in like every format ever
Gush is also up there
But I’m pretty sure it’s legal in commander
glad peak
i miss gush in pauper
twilit canyon
But I’m pretty sure it’s legal in commander
it is
copper pecan
steady onyx
@sleek ferry any cool idea for standard decks that I can steal?
steady onyx
lol we ban nemesis
tardy echo
Notice how nemesis is a 3/3/3 with haste with a better version of that effect and not a 5 mana enchantment that doesn’t do anything and can be removed and isn’t permanent
trail anvil
I think they're about to die
subtle sierra
<@304354673647812608> any cool idea for standard decks that I can steal?
at least wait a week for the meta to stabilize and for the avatar cards lol
steady onyx
Notice how nemesis is a 3/3/3 with haste with a better version of that effect an...
im not saying its compareable
i was just idk
i like this card a lot ngl
i wanna run it in arist
but i think its too expensive
only expensive card should be raise the paost
subtle sierra
grievous would sucks why would you wanna run it
subtle sierra
no but you could at least pick playable ones
zinc shard
tardy echo
does every card I need to run need to be t0 meta?
Grievous isn’t an off meta pick it’s straight unusable gang
subtle sierra
ok cub is nasty
fallow citrus
is atla live now?
trail anvil
nah that's early access event
fallow citrus
ahh sure
copper pecan
yo they put the cabage stand on the board
trail anvil
bruh
gritty nest
Still never buying from tcg again
stark skiff
Any tips for an Ozai deck? Got this far and dunno what else to add:
zinc shard
copper pecan
yeah i remember hitting [[voice of victory]] off of ornate imitations about a week before dragonstorm came out
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sudden lava
oh btw psa for prerelease enjoyers
clues dont tap to sac them
so you can waterbend with them, and sac em for draw
past socket
I feel really stupid
It took me this long to realise they didn’t need to tap them to sac them
twilit canyon
reading the card explains the card
past socket
Reading the token sure does explain the token lmao
zinc shard
I learned that while playing [[Piper Wright, Publick Reporter]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Detective
Whenever Piper Wright deals combat damage to a player, investigate that many times. (To investigate, create a Clue token. It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"You can't stop the press."
1/2
zinc shard
more specifically with urza on board
pulsar talon
Thinking of picking up the game again for white lotus iroh
trail anvil
clues dont tap to sac them
equipment are another kind of artifact where tapping is basically 100% free
there's a few that you just get some really nice value from
atomic harness
Tell em komi
golden plover
Taking a break from magic has really reminded me how much lands fucking suck as a mechanic
fallow citrus
X
sleek ferry
Early access stuff is always winmore/cope
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Sorcery
Each creature you control gains firebending 5 until end of turn. (Whenever it attacks, add 
. This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
subtle sierra
It's a pretty bad card
sleek ferry
the fact that you can foretell it makes it pretty decent idk
I would play this in mono red goblins
as a 1 of
subtle sierra
Ye but you need to both have an outlet for that mana and swarming which i think is hard to deckbuild around
fallow citrus
not in goblins
subtle sierra
It can work but it won't be consistent imo
sleek ferry
krenko? You're using the mana to buff up the real goat [[burnout bashtronaut]]
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Creature — Goblin Warrior
Menace
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Max speed — This creature has double strike.
1/1
subtle sierra
Bash is funny i admit
But unless you give it trample
Or draw enough removal to keep them on one blocker or less
steady onyx
krenko? You're using the mana to buff up the real goat [[burnout bashtronaut]]
no krenko is giving u all the mana
u dump the mana into bash
subtle sierra
I think firebending ascension with leyline is prob better
subtle sierra
Yes
sudden lava
equipment are another kind of artifact where tapping is basically 100% free
Yup my Naya Tifa deck has a card that uses this interaction (gives improvise to non-artifact spells) ^-^
copper pecan
kiki-jiki players when their opponent casts bouba-jiki
storm elbow
+2
subtle sierra
+2
wary night
Someone offered 55 for it and I'm slowly starting to feel like that's the best I can get from this card, it feels very slow to sell but maybe I could play it🤔.. anyways, anyone interested 
fallow citrus
these people are actually real wow
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/s/abhuHymlL7
golden plover
What the fuck format where they playing
twilit canyon
This was easily the most satisfying victory of my mtg career
this encapsulates redditors and mtg players
tardy echo
This was easily the most satisfying victory of my mtg career. I could only imagine your smug smile get wiped off your face when you realized you cannot, and will not, break me. You dragged me to the very ends of our decks and I went along, and wasted so much of your time. I don't see mine as wasted though, as in the end, I won and enjoyed it. Rule 1 forbids me from insulting you, but may my yesterdays victory be the greatest insult to you. That was my most satisfying win, my Star Trek's Peak Performance episode.
Every now and then, an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.
Yesterday, you met me.
trail anvil
they were probably trying to finish a destroy creatures mission
twilit canyon
This was easily the most satisfying victory of my mtg career. I could only imagine your smug smile get wiped off your face when you realized you cannot, and will not, break me. You dragged me to the very ends of our decks and I went along, and wasted so much of your time. I don't see mine as wasted though, as in the end, I won and enjoyed it. Rule 1 forbids me from insulting you, but may my yesterdays victory be the greatest insult to you. That was my most satisfying win, my Star Trek's Peak Performance episode.
Every now and then, an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.
Yesterday, you met me.
this reads like something summer would type out ngl lmao
zinc shard
twilit canyon
allies feels like it'll be as good as bant birds
which is to say, good until you meet resistance in the form of board wipes
fallow citrus
yeppers
you just have to have the mana open for aang swift and pray basically
imagine if we had aether vial so you could just keep it on 3 forever to hold up aang...
twilit canyon
vial would be so fucking good to have in standard rn
we need it on arena as a whole
gritty nest
hello
zinc shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRY4TsukkB8
Here's how sealed works
trail anvil
that appa hoodie goes so hard
sudden lava
she had the perfect appa-tunity for that hoodie, and yeah Appa hoodie is so cool 💖
wary night
@glad peak a guys saying he'll buy my yuna the grand summoner (foil precon one) for 55 euros, but the cards worth more (80ish). He mentioned it been a slow card to sell yada yada, but I get what he means and now I'm thinking i should sell it for the 55 cause no one else is buying it
Like theres only 2 options lol but I want to ask for another opinion on the matter incase I'm doing something wrong yk
glad peak
do you need the money asap?
glad peak
because it'll only keep going up because it's a collector's item and a VERY popular character
fallow citrus
and still no dandan drop 😔
sudden lava
https://tenor.com/view/rathalos-mh-wilds-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-gif-6063213691693839719
There is a chance
copper pecan
there's a pretty high chance
sleek ferry
God excited for a second thinking it was peak fiction Hunter x Hunter, but it's just button masher Monster Hunter sigh
copper pecan
duel masters just did a monster hunter secret lair so wotc has definitely talked with capcom about this
wary night
because it'll only keep going up because it's a collector's item and a VERY popu...
I'll probably keep it then.. the other one is hitting 400 and it's crazy
Was 180-200 last year
glad peak
yeah, the guy offering 55 because "it moves slow" is ripping you off if you're not strapped for cash
you should keep it safe, of course
sudden lava
You can have like armor/weapons that use the craft mechanic
twilit canyon
it was the obvious crossover with ikoria
wary night
yeah, the guy offering 55 because "it moves slow" is ripping you off if you're n...
Yeah, that helps to know. I'm not dieing for money and I've got it safe in a folder
Sleeved and all
trail anvil
it was the obvious crossover with ikoria
someone mentioned ikoria? wizards plsss more mutate
glad peak
We should bring back ikoria and mutate but without the icky humans that don’t work with mutate
sudden lava
so yeah people went into the website files or whatever
it is in fact what we thought
vivid hatch
are u getting it graded?
Its a solid HP
I just want a Juzam Djinn
ill play it in old school eventually tho
<:
twilit canyon
yeah fair lol
copper pecan
juzam djinn would be so cool as a limited common
too bad they can't do that because of the reserve list
twilit canyon
in lower power old school cubes, it fucks
vivid hatch
juzam djinn would be so cool as a limited common
i mean its seen functional reprints
in other colors
copper pecan
yeah but not in black
twilit canyon
theres a few demons that are more or less upgrades
copper pecan
i guess [[plague sliver]] exists
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vivid hatch
yeah
twilit canyon
lords deal 1 to you is fun
vivid hatch
djinn is cool because the art is cool and it was the best beater of its time
twilit canyon
oh thats not too bad for hp
vivid hatch
yep, over a grand anywhere I tried
twilit canyon
before cutting down on my own collection (im just keeping playables nowdays), i was considering grabbing one that i saw at $1.4k usd
vivid hatch
and thats for PO
vivid hatch
before cutting down on my own collection (im just keeping playables nowdays), i ...
If it was MP or better
100% worth it
twilit canyon
didnt bite on it tho and then shortly after i just began selling non-essentials
vivid hatch
I basically play exclusively pauper
These days
very rarely premodern or OS
borrowed decks
the decks I actually play with are very cheap
twilit canyon
i play modern for the most part nowdays irl
some canlander and a lot of cube and draft
vivid hatch
I sold breach pre ban
and now im out
for now
hows it going
Im sad breach got axed ;-;
twilit canyon
breach died but it lived (prowess is still doing great)
honestly quite a fine modern format rn
twilit canyon
theres a decent bit of variety in top decks
vivid hatch
i sold my mopals for like a billion dollars
twilit canyon
i was vindicated for picking them up when they dropped super low and keeping them around for commander and then boom
value
twilit canyon
i have a playset i am still not selling bc while i dont play affinity, its a deck that is good and i have some friends borrow the mopals for said deck
vivid hatch
i have a playset i am still not selling bc while i dont play affinity, its a dec...
aww thats nice
what do you play
vivid hatch
goryo still good huh
vivid hatch
no way burn is remotely playable though
twilit canyon
quantum riddler and psychic frog are doing crazy work
vivid hatch
quantum riddler and psychic frog are doing crazy work
Oh shit i can imagine
twilit canyon
no way burn is remotely playable though
if ur really good, it can be. but most ppl cant pilot burn through the meta rn and i dont blame them
vivid hatch
Rizzler
twilit canyon
even i struggle with it
its moreso a case that optimal burn into current meta also feels godawful
idk if pop and/or fireblast would actually move the needle for burn in a positive way tho
one or the other
twilit canyon
yeah but both would have burn totally dominate i think
vivid hatch
Don’t think so atp
twilit canyon
strong as modern is rn, it would easily die to that and/or the meta would warp around the combo of the 2 cards too much
vivid hatch
I mean im going off legacy impact of pop
but
they dont start at 16-17 life
so not 1:1
twilit canyon
legacy having fow and daze as stop gaps and wasteland being a threat to worry about, means that they naturally play less duals
they also dont lose 3 life off fetches
modern life totals get eaten up fast
big reason why energy remains viable is genuinely that guide of souls is a soul sister and ocelot has lifelink
manages to survive longer
and the jeskai blink decks are abusing phlage
twilit canyon
energy is actually a fun deck
i have the pieces for it
i just played it a ton the last year
so i dont run it much at all rn
trail anvil
I still unironically want pop for brawl burn
twilit canyon
and my riddlers are tied up in goryo's
vivid hatch
i just played it a ton the last year
It doesnt seem to strong
twilit canyon
I still unironically want pop for brawl burn
you dont know what u are asking for
trail anvil
I want burn to be buffed hard
vivid hatch
maybe because i didn’t pilot it enough yet
vivid hatch
50% deck?
trail anvil
and we can finally get ajani banned
twilit canyon
it prides itself on 50/50 match ups
yeah lol
so pilot skill directly correlates to wins on the deck
tho it does have some spots where it can just curve and win
much like jund
were u playing the versions of energy with a decent focus on blood moon?
ik some builds were also running magus and moon
those were super punishing for errors
a more midrange friendly list with spyromancers and only 1-2 bombardments for burn and ajani sacs is usually a stronger version of the deck
twilit canyon
and we can finally get ajani banned <:copium:901139245056528444>
mystical tutor -> pop in izzet decks will be hilarious ig
vivid hatch
Bloodthrone + rite be crazy
twilit canyon
def. im not too into sac as a whole personally
tho i do find the yawgmoth combo decks fun
vivid hatch
def. im not too into sac as a whole personally
played any pauper
twilit canyon
yeah
vivid hatch
it’s what will always keep me into magic
steady onyx
pauper is based
twilit canyon
nah i played delver for ages in pauper and then mono red burn
trail anvil
mystical tutor -> pop in izzet decks will be hilarious ig
I keep forgetting that they're about to randomly overload brawl with free spells and tutors
twilit canyon
i still find it insane they printed swiftspear at common
trail anvil
like bruh
twilit canyon
i miss her
twilit canyon
if i had to pick up a pauper deck rn i'd probably play either fairies or rally
steady onyx
i just play the dumb easy decks in pauper cause im shite at magic
vivid hatch
i still find it insane they printed swiftspear at common
remember what they took from you
steady onyx
ive tried faeries but im bad at playing tempo
vivid hatch
i just play the dumb easy decks in pauper cause im shite at magic
wow me
steady onyx
i just play brainless spy combo
lol
although its def teaching me paitence quite a bit and stuff
on just to not play as fast
vivid hatch
tbh idk if black sac counts as easy
vivid hatch
play patterns are basically baby hardened scales
vivid hatch
i think it doesnt but i also dont think its like
no deck in pauper is
the closest one got banned
twilit canyon
yeah lol
rightfully so but yeah i agree as a whole pauper is p easy
which is good
vivid hatch
rightfully so but yeah i agree as a whole pauper is p easy
very high skill ceiling
even so
steady onyx
like these more controlly deccks that kinda need to wait it out to win
vivid hatch
do ppl consider like familiars and jeskai wildfire hard
fams maybe
steady onyx
idk
vivid hatch
wildfire nah
twilit canyon
wildfire is easy enough
familiars idts but ik there are ppl who it may not be as intuitive
if they havent been playing magic a while
vivid hatch
Grinding breach was super complex
steady onyx
also idt faeries is that hard
twilit canyon
faeries is not hard to play
twilit canyon
the skill ceiling is whats up there
vivid hatch
kinda like yugioh decks
Only works for combo
twilit canyon
much like delver and other tempo decks
steady onyx
yeah which is why ive reverted to spy combo :P
twilit canyon
u can tell a bad tempo player from a good one easily
steady onyx
but with spy combo, there is def a lot of hate in pauper for it
vivid hatch
Try playing legacy oops @steady onyx
steady onyx
so i at least am telling myself im practicing playing slower to account for stuff that stops combo
no
im not playing legacy oops
if i play a legacy deck its gonna be pitch black
steady onyx
i know
twilit canyon
but with spy combo, there is def a lot of hate in pauper for it
pauper has legacy tier interaction in some spots
so thats no surprise
vivid hatch
im not playing legacy oops
its literally ygo
steady onyx
well like macabre i legit cannot beat unless i hard open fiend
twilit canyon
yeah thats what i mean
steady onyx
yeah
twilit canyon
faerie macab is a legacy tier interaction piece
it has seen and will continue to see legacy play
steady onyx
but like stuff like coutnerspells, strands, relic, uh spellbomb
i have counterplay
like in my deck
twilit canyon
not to mention pyroblast/hydroblast
steady onyx
[[conjuerers bauble]]
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Put up to one target card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. Draw a card.
It is the moment of discovery, the triumph of the mind, the reimagining of past glory.
steady onyx
this card is sick btw
steady onyx
Guy I know plays jund midrange oops
in pauper
vivid hatch
Yes
vivid hatch
I think he plays 5 lands
steady onyx
o ive seen 6 land midrange
vivid hatch
its cool asf
steady onyx
im still not at the point I wanna change my list
rn I want to just learn the deck more then change around
vivid hatch
added 2 snuff outs to mb
see 4 black decks in a row
ofc
can they smell it or something
subtle sierra
?
steady onyx
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7448598#paper
? dimir broodscale??
fallow citrus
I think goldfish did an oopsie
steady onyx
ok lol
trail anvil
goldfish really commonly does oopsies like that
atomic harness
i play modern for the most part nowdays irl
Proud of you kid
steady onyx
Proud of you kid
benben when r u playing pauper
atomic harness
I'm thinking about it
glad peak
i should get back to grinding pauper
steady onyx
i should get back to grinding pauper
u should play pauper w/ me asp so i can get better :0
glad peak
mayhaps
i played otter combo in standard with a bunch of friends trying to test it in the new format and demolished them
very funny deck
glad peak
temur
steady onyx
the one i played against at rcq was [[stormsplitter]] combo
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steady onyx
:p
i lost
cause i made stupid misplay
and he was in grull
gruul*
with like vitality
glad peak
yeah it's vitality + stormsplitter + 1 and 2 mana cantrips
steady onyx
yeah
glad peak
sometimes it's just 7 mana win the game
steady onyx
yup
that did just happen to me
i was trying to be safe for soe stupid reason and held back my ouroboid as a blocker for idk why
and he just won
off like 7 spells in hand
and enduring vitality so enouhg mana
:p
glad peak
one game it was legit just t1 cantrip t2 cantrip + interaction t3 vitality t4 stormsplitter 3 sleight of hand into the rest of the cards
atomic harness
sometimes it's just 7 mana win the game
I know a guy
atomic harness
Oh not that 
Btali...
I miss turn 3 karn liberated... Sigh
Also is there a reason to not empty your library with thassa
Say you actually play the devotion minigame and put it on 2 or something. Youd still win right
wary night
ill play it in old school eventually tho
Would many people play old school cause of the prices of cards?
lusty trench
Also is there a reason to not empty your library with thassa
Say you actually p...
Generally you only go for empty library thassa if you can protect it on the stack, but actually trying to do the devotion thing is really really bad especially in commander
vivid hatch
Would many people play old school cause of the prices of cards?
We have a healthy scene back home
Most people play with CE/IE power
wary night
We have a healthy scene back home
Oh cool
tardy echo
Also is there a reason to not empty your library with thassa
Say you actually p...
Going to 0 beats removal going to 1/2 sort of plays around counterspells
0 is generally safer unless you also have other blue permanents
sleek ferry
Is it on the desert for a reason
Somebody didn’t read the cards sigh
Imagine not knowing what all the cards in the set do by prerelease weekend
tardy echo
Well the desert itself still feels a little extraneous to me personally idk
When u already have scavengers
And vinelasher
I would rather play a better mana base
Sick combo though
This deck should also prob run analyze the pollen
Or beseech
Just from watching the gameplay
sleek ferry
Analyze makes sense yeah
tardy echo
More consistency pieces less wincons in general
Like vinelasher/scavenger/sephiroth/desert all together is a lot
Also from the video am I tripping or do you not need bloodghast to combo
Can’t you just sac 1 earthbend sac land earthbend other land and then just keep killing the same 2 lands
Oh nvm bounty hunters say nonland
steady onyx
wait @sleek ferry is the uncommon azula not like nice in draft?
[[azula on the hunt]
[[azula on the hunt]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Firebending 2 (Whenever this creature attacks, add . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Whenever Azula attacks, you lose 1 life and create a Clue token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
"You can run, but I'll catch you."
4/3
steady onyx
i think i wanna take prerelease kit with this
cause this just seems rly rly good
4 mana for a 4/3 with draw each turn it lives?
idk
aang also seems fine tho
but i think white seems weaker for prerelease
but maybe im off the mark
im not a good quality checker for cards
but im trying to learn idk
maybe azula being on attack is too slow
since she can jsut die to like lightning stirke
so if im off plz say why so i can improve at limited
toph seems fine aswell as she is continious good
but like katara, zuko dont look great
sleek ferry
Anybody have any advice for his prerelease? Any colors that stand out from having played prerelease already?
subtle sierra
yeah would love to know as well
my first prerelease
from what i gather red has a lot of removal this set, but their rares/mythics suck (according to my friend)
maybe this helps thugs 🙏
golden plover
Getting back into arena and forgot that that Orzhov Ketramose deck is one of the lamest things you can ever play lol
sleek ferry
from what i gather red has a lot of removal this set, but their rares/mythics su...
I was thinking about it, and I think the land destruction in the set is probably nice in a limited environment, my mind immediately wants to look at white/red/blue in that order
I ended up getting the white prerelease so we’ll see what the seeded pack gives me
subtle sierra
gl
trail anvil
F
gritty nest
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wasn’t expecting anything, it was for gits and shiggles
My rare was a 2 drop mono black legend that says when an opponent casts a non creature spell they lose 2 life
trail anvil
yeah wait wtf she's actually really good lmao
gritty nest
Oh
Meh
I’ll probably find someone who plays 60 card and give it to them, or trade it in
past socket
Or engage in punishment of the wicked non-creature spell players
glad peak
tbf the card isn't flashy and the price is a lower than the chase so i don't blame them
past socket
fair
past socket
A very friend-shaped friend
gritty nest
Oh the guide dude?
tardy echo
Badgermole cub
gritty nest
Oh
tardy echo
Basically a llanowar elves for 2 mana
That also makes all ur llanowar elves/etc tap for way extra
U can have up to like 9 mana by turn 3 LOL
But that requires very specific hands
gritty nest
Sounds disgusting
lusty trench
The monster hunter lairs got announced early by accident
If youre interested here you go
sleek ferry
At the prerelease event now looks like almost 30 people here
lusty trench
My prerelease had 4 people
glad peak
My modern scene blew up again but sadly I have classes those days
I visited one time and everyone still remembers me
golden plover
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/ec1o6cglQk
Wow every single drop is ass
gritty nest
will [[firebending student]] see 60 card play?
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Creature — Human Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Firebending X, where X is this creature's power. (Whenever this creature attacks, add X . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
"Fire is the element of power." —Iroh
1/2
glad peak
I don’t see why it would
But I’ve seen worse see play so maybe
Mono red copers gotta try something
gritty nest
i figured it was a shitty swiftspear but still decent enough to see play
glad peak
It’s not just a shitty swiftspear, it’s a shitty and slower swiftspear
Shittier by a factor of 2^2
gritty nest
fair
i might build the temur iroh from this set as a commander, really like spellslinger playing it
at the same time though, theres like
a bunch of other spellslinger commanders
tardy echo
will [[firebending student]] see 60 card play?
Probably not
Prowess is really really dead now
Lost both of its payoffs
gritty nest
steelcutter and something else im guessing?
twilit canyon
ppl trying it in the arena early access and its fine
tardy echo
Vivi
twilit canyon
but there are cards and decks actually doing things
tardy echo
If they printed more reasons to play decks like prowess again it would prob see play in those
twilit canyon
and if u go above to older formats, its really inefficient
tardy echo
But that’s a big ask
gritty nest
fair
tardy echo
I guess strixhaven has a lot of spells matter stuff
So maybe some prowess adjacent stuff in there
First strixhaven had a card like that but it was in white I believe
sleek ferry
ppl trying it in the arena early access and its fine
I think card is a little underrated, we love our 2 drops that force removal
twilit canyon
this doesnt force me to address it much nor is it hard to address is the issue
its a 1/2, no haste, 2 mana, if it attacks raw, it only makes 1 mana, and if you pump it before attacking, i kill it before you get the mana, or, if you fear the removal spell, i just hold and let it swing for 1 and waste the firebend
tardy echo
Also @twilit canyon very random question but can u explain the stuff that happened w avacyn
twilit canyon
lore wise?
tardy echo
Ya
twilit canyon
or did something happen recently in commander
tardy echo
Like sorin made her? Not sure what exactly that entails
twilit canyon
lol i immediately think the worst of commander players lol
tardy echo
And then why did she go crazy
twilit canyon
uh yeah sorin molded her back when pwers were gods
she became an anchor point to keep innistrad safe
tardy echo
They could just. Do that?
twilit canyon
they could make their own worlds
twilit canyon
reshape reality
revive themselves for free
teferi had his head chopped off by bolas and he just put it back on
but ya he made her after the eldrazi threat shutdown
as a way to ward them off the planet and keep innistrad safe
then, pwers lose most of their godly powers
tardy echo
but ya he made her after the eldrazi threat shutdown
As in the first time or the 2nd time
twilit canyon
nahiri comes over to ask sorin for help since ugin was busy being dead
tardy echo
Or however many
twilit canyon
1st time
tardy echo
Ok that makes more sense
twilit canyon
pre zendikar set
tardy echo
And that’s why she had a whole religion following her?
twilit canyon
yeah
been around for thousands of years
liliana once sealed her and griselbrand in the hellvault at the request of avacyn iirc...
glad peak
Planeswalkers could just create angels for fun?
bro's gonna be shocked when he learns about serra
twilit canyon
but anyways, nahiri needed help cus the eldrazi were stirring and ugin was dead and sorin was like nahhhh
bored tbh, and he locked her in the hellvault too
liliana then forced thalia and herself to shatter it, idr why
but avacyn (and griselbrand) were freed
oh right
tardy echo
liliana once sealed her and griselbrand in the hellvault at the request of avacy...
Wait so avacyn asked Lilliana to seal both of them?
twilit canyon
lili was tracking griselbrand
to kill him
to escape her own demonic pact to retain her soul
tardy echo
I knew that part
past socket
Since the whole Operation: Get herself out of her contract saga
tardy echo
What do avacyn and griselbrand have to do with eachother
twilit canyon
but yeah avacyn was stuck in there too
twilit canyon
What do avacyn and griselbrand have to do with eachother
beef
tardy echo
Word
twilit canyon
one strong ass demon vs one strong ass angel
he was just a threat she was trying to beat
tardy echo
Wait so avacyn asked Lilliana to seal both of them?
Can we loop back to this
Liliana did it at her request?
twilit canyon
iirc it was lili that sealed avacyn and griselbrand pre mending
tardy echo
was Liliana just trying to seal griselbrand and avacyn was a collateral
Or was this like a 2 bird one stone or did avacyn want to get stuck in there with him
twilit canyon
is what i assume
tardy echo
Did she wanna live out the grudge match?
twilit canyon
2 birds 1 stone type is my assumption
the reason is that pre-mending, lili didnt need anything from griselbrand
but post-mending, she would have business
glad peak
huh i thought lili did this after the mending because she made contracts to try to get to her older power
twilit canyon
it would need to be before
because lili would need to know where to go find griselbrand
and then later where to go kill him
we arent super clear on that part iirc
tardy echo
Well didn’t bolas broker all her deals
Or was the deal with griselbrand separate from those
twilit canyon
yes but she still had to know where each demon was
tardy echo
Seeing
glad peak
yeah i thought lili only started making deals with her soul after the mending because she wanted to get her old powers back
twilit canyon
and we know she spent a lot of time on innistrad due to the plane's black mana being quite comfortable for her
tardy echo
Ok that slightly clears that up now why did avacyn go crazy and have to get put down
twilit canyon
that one is nahiri's fault
tardy echo
Did she get eldrazi’d?
twilit canyon
so once the vault is broken, avacyn and griselbrand (and nahiri) are free
tardy echo
Did she just go crazy?
glad peak
nahiri wanted to make sorin mad
twilit canyon
avacyn and griselbrand fight it out, lili helps, he dies
tardy echo
Wait was nahiri in the vault
twilit canyon
yeah
tardy echo
I didn’t even realize
tardy echo
Ok but she’s really fucking annoying so good for him
glad peak
she was in the right there, sorin's the annoying one lol
twilit canyon
[[!through the breach]]
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tardy echo
They’re both pretty fucking annoying idk
And dropping emrakul on an entire plane because of personal beef is also pretty crazy
twilit canyon
her revenge plan: use the eldrazi to destroy innistrad
tardy echo
Nahiri is one of my woats
glad peak
she sacrifices her plane to contain these things and then when she needs help he's just like nah i'm chilling
twilit canyon
but yeah emrakul picks up the phone call, and goes over to see whats up, and emrakul begins corrupting avacyn just bc emrakul exists
but emrakul doesnt enter innistrad yet
tardy echo
Ok I thought it had to do with being stuck in the hellvault or something
It was just from eldrazi hanging out?
past socket
Emrakul just doing her thing
twilit canyon
iirc it was because avacyn was so closely tied to the plane's protections, that something as powerful as the eldrazi entering the vicinity caused avacyn to slowly go mad
tardy echo
Makes sense
twilit canyon
im sure it'd have been different if it was ulamog or kozilek
tardy echo
And then sigarda spawned in right
glad peak
yep it was just because emrakul answered her "u up?" text
twilit canyon
but she was affected
twilit canyon
And then sigarda spawned in right
sigarda has been around a while
part of the angels avacyn made to help her out
glad peak
and then jace rizzed emmy up and now emmy is the moon
twilit canyon
that family tree is
edgar -> sorin's parents -> sorin -> avacyn -> the other angels on innistrad
tardy echo
But she was the only one who didn’t get fucked up by the eldrazi?
twilit canyon
yeah
tardy echo
Avacyn and griselda and bruna all got fucked up but sigarda just built diff?
twilit canyon
the 4th sister is also fine
but we didnt know her at the time
shes a w/b one idr her name
tardy echo
Oh is that the commander one
twilit canyon
but yeah her and sigarda turned out fine because to my knowledge, they didnt fight corrupted avacyn
tardy echo
That cheats
twilit canyon
yeah
tardy echo
So it was avacyn that fucked up the other two?
twilit canyon
but bruna and griselda fought avacyn or were going to but yeah
i mean, avacyn fucked up most of the angels
tardy echo
That makes it a little more sad actually icl
twilit canyon
and a fair bit of humans
twilit canyon
and then of course, a lot of werewolves got fucked up just from the prescence of emrakul
emrakul's brand of corruption is cool as hell ngl
ulamog's deal is just vanishing things
ala all is dust
tardy echo
The other 2 titans are cool but I find something about emrakul much more disturbing
twilit canyon
honestly? huge plot contrievance that jace was able to view into her mind at all even if she let him in
tardy echo
I mean maybe u could reason that
Full power of the veil + 2 other planeswalkers together
twilit canyon
i dont believe for a second that fraud struggled vs the phyrexian corruption but was okay going in to emrakul's mind
tardy echo
Could maybe do that
Is there any substance to what tamiyo actually is capable of doing
twilit canyon
mmm
twilit canyon
no not really
tardy echo
She was literally the first kill wasn’t she
glad peak
it's heavily implied that emrakul did that only because she was interested in jace and he didn't have any actual input
tardy echo
And emrakul also like controlled tamiyo during that whole thing
twilit canyon
then, during the invasion, she gets mogged by the wanderer immediately
tardy echo
Yeah it’s tragic
twilit canyon
And emrakul also like controlled tamiyo during that whole thing
yep to seal her on the moon
tardy echo
Tamiyo got more power scaling after she died than before 💔
Her ghost is strong enough to make the verges or whatever the fuck
That must count for something idk
twilit canyon
i attribute that to kamigawa tech
tardy echo
Explain