Magic the Gathering

[glad peak]

I have some good news for you

Magda does both

[steady onyx]

magda is red

:(

[glad peak]

Moreso than urza

[steady onyx]

blue is a better color

and also like

a[[urza lord high artificer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/130/urza-lord-high-artificer

Urza, Lord High Artificer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add .
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4

[steady onyx]

look at my man

[glad peak]

Yeah he’s got no drip and he’s an unc

[steady onyx]

tell me this man has no drip

[glad peak]

Meanwhile Magda

Urza got no drip

He took his mother’s curtains and put them over himself

[steady onyx]

anyways

[glad peak]

[steady onyx]

i wanna build 1 last commander deck

bracket high 3 low 4

do i build venom or massacre girl known killer

im taking apart shadowheart so I will have 4 commander decks
urza chief
lesbian pirate queens
anikthea -> tom bombadil
and then venom / massacre girl

all bracket 3+ :(

[glad peak]

What’s wrong with strong decks lol

[steady onyx]

nothing

i like them

i dont like playing less strong decks with little interaxction

i rly wanna build massacre girl

but im worried people will play against it once and then never want to paly against it again

[glad peak]

Build her then

[steady onyx]

since the comander is kinda meh

lke i love what im doing

but its kinda annoying to rest of table

to get continously boardwiped

[glad peak]

You’ll be fine lol

[steady onyx]

ok

i also rly wanan build 1 mono color commander deck

building commmander decks is so fucking hard

[glad peak]

Is it the adding cards or removing cards?

[rigid scarab]

cards

[last glen]

Immense flavor win.
Professional wrestler cannot be defeated with a Suplex.

WotC apparently unwilling to pay for the Macho Man's likenesss.

[golden plover]

God I love when cauldron players tap out into a t4 Omni. Sucks to suck, asshole

[fallow citrus]

1 obnoxious deck meets another

[golden plover]

I mean, there's way more interaction points for Omni combo rn

We can't get it on t4 if they've got mana up

Kona is unfortunately only a 4/3 so even a single torch kills him

Thankfully they did a single balancing tool on Vivi and it's that he can't make the mana during my turn

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/standard-and-moving-ban-announcement

[waxen timber]

This is a really weird announcement. They pretty much come out and say that Vivi is being banned but, then just say that the ban is not effective till more than a month down the line

[sleek ferry]

Oh great we’re banning Vivi and keeping Cauldron around, what dumbasses

[waxen timber]

They might ban Cauldron and with how they talked in the article they might even hit Mono-Red

[golden plover]

Why say this if you're not just gonna ban Vivi lol

[golden plover]

Vivi is the correct hit. Cauldron isn't a problem without Vivi

Vivi is a problem without cauldron

And [[Secret Identity]] will exacerbate that issue

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/43/secret-identity

Secret Identity <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Conceal — Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a Citizen with base power and toughness 1/1 and gains hexproof.
• Reveal — Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a Hero with base power and toughness 3/4 and gains flying and vigilance.

[sleek ferry]

Again you have 0 data to back this up. Vivi is literally not an issue in any other format, including the format that has Vivi and no cauldron

[golden plover]

Vivi Cauldron is starting to see modern play

But also, cauldron has been legal for 2 years in standard

And it's done literally nothing

The issue is Vivi

[copper pecan]

vivi isn't much of a problem in alchemy and that has vivi but not cauldron

[sleek ferry]

Literally where lol, the izzet prowess lists with DRC do things so much better than Vivi ever could

Vivi literally sees 0 modern play, cauldron actually sees play on multiple modern decks

[copper pecan]

it's good in alchemy but it's only like 10% of the meta

[sleek ferry]

More notably yawg

[golden plover]

I've seen some friends talking about Vivi Cauldron in modern a bit. It's not like huge, but it's aparently playable

But again, 2 years of cauldron doing nothing in standard is proof it's not the issue

And also, Secret Identity, Wild Ride, etc

If Cauldron goes, the Vivi list pivots game plans and stays very strong

[copper pecan]

i feel like neither of these cards would be all that problematic on their own

[golden plover]

Probably not, but I think Vivi is more inclined to keep being a problem over the next 3 years

[sleek ferry]

You can see the way Vivi cauldron plays to show you what the issue is. Why does Vivi cauldron prefer to have Vivi in the gy than hard cast it if it’s such a broken card?

[golden plover]

If Cauldron gets to stick around for a year, it doesn't do much of anything

[golden plover]

The difference is having one broken card vs 5

And there's plenty of matches where they've got a Vivi on the field and a Vivi under cauldron

[sleek ferry]

Vivi has still yet to win any of the 4 major tourneys its been legal for btw, despite being the “best” deck

[golden plover]

Because it's being MAIN DECK HATED

That's the same excuse people were giving for cori lol

Cori didn't win any of its events until like a week before ban

But lists were maining answers to cori because it was so problematic

[tardy echo]

This is pretty historically shit logic for any card game lol

[golden plover]

When every list in the format is maining hate for a specific deck no shit it won't win as many events lol

The problem is that every list has to dedicate 10 slots in the main to the MU

Like the "mono red might be the best deck" list they mentioned is running 6 cards they wouldn't be on if Cauldron wasn't as oppressive

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1415054907743928410/image.png?ex=68c1d014&is=68c07e94&hm=5e1b87cc8ef205c00803a7e1a5fb88079630f740e9d23514f7465ac5722692cd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=430&height=591

Inverted version of Mister Negative

[storm elbow]

Mister positive

[sleek ferry]

It isn’t when there’s literally half a dozen decks that have a good matchup vs Vivi. The issue is, you don’t plan your tournament deck with just Vivi in mind, you go with the option that will give you the most consistent results through a 10 (spotlight series level event) or 14 (PT level event) round sample size

When you don't have to account for that level of variance, you get results like this

[gritty nest]

In universe stuff doesn’t look soulless

[lusty trench]

I think the Spider-man UK artist touched on it but they are heavily monitored by both wotc and the partner company for ub sets

Which can greatly affect how the art transitions from sketch to rough draft to final product

[gritty nest]

I’m talking about the spider man set as a whole

The set overall looks soulless

[lusty trench]

Thats what im saying

Its not just this artist thats heavily monitored

Its every artist

[gritty nest]

I figured, and it’s hurting the creativity

[golden plover]

Literally every deck but Mono-Red is like 50/50 into Vivi at best lol

Vivi is NOT in a healthy place

And that's not even considering all the other events that look like this

[steady onyx]

both

figuring out where to start

and then cutting it to be clean 100 that works well

[golden plover]

Sure the other decks are diverse, but Vivi is way overbearing

[trail anvil]

who's the weirdo bringing in mono green

[glad peak]

ejk, it says right here

[steady onyx]

bro green is best color be quiet (

:(

also the deck is ngl fire

[atomic harness]

firelordzuko not bringing red is crazy

[twilit canyon]

fire lord zuko knows whats up about mono red

[copper pecan]

actually [[fire lord zuko]] is mardu

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/221/fire-lord-zuko

Fire Lord Zuko <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble Ally
Firebending X, where X is Fire Lord Zuko's power. (Whenever this creature attacks, add X . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Whenever you cast a spell from exile and whenever a permanent you control enters from exile, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
"Today, this war is finally over!"
2/4

[glad peak]

ok commander player (derogatory)

[atomic harness]

I have officially exited this format

Playing Edison now

I'm keeping up w modern though

[stark skiff]

Sad

[stark skiff]

Wow you’re lost kid

[atomic harness]

I wasn't having fun

[glad peak]

good

you made the correct choice

join me in cube land

[atomic harness]

Thank you Mr mudkip

now I can finally fulfill my dream of playing turn 1 tamiyo turn 2 psychic frog

[glad peak]

i already do that in cube

[atomic harness]

Good and real 60-card magic

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

draft

[trail anvil]

got lucky with this week's MWM and ran into zero meta lol

there was one guy playing a rakdos deck entirely made of foundations cards

side note, this is the laziest MWM I've ever seen. at the very least they could just give the star to the person on the play only as a boost for going second

[fast tide]

How does cascade interact with stuff that reduces cost?

I'm cascading for 5 with a ton of creatures on board

Or does cascade look at printed cost?

[copper pecan]

cascade only looks at printed cost

[fast tide]

Cool that's what I figured

[fallow citrus]

which is why you can play cards like [[fire/ice]] in rhinos

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/215/fire-ice

Fire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Fire deals 2 damage divided as you choose among one or two targets.

Ice
Instant
Tap target permanent.
Draw a card.

[fallow citrus]

because it's cmc4, when you play [[shardless agent]] it will just ignore it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/292/shardless-agent

Shardless Agent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Human Rogue
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
2/2

[subtle sierra]

Me when bob draws unholy annex

[fast tide]

Bello was fun once the enchantments and artifacts get rolling it's hilarious slamming 4/4 indestructibles into your opponent every turn and getting card draw if they let it through

But I got starved in one game and mana flooded in another fuck me I put up an okay fight against slivers but they outvalued me way too hard then they tutored overlord and it was gg

I've shoved some upgrades in I'll see how it plays another day

[steady onyx]

play comander with me rebreb or play legacy or play standard or play pauper

[atomic harness]

I'm done w commander sorry

[steady onyx]

sad

legacy

[golden plover]

Fuck it, standard is awful rn and will be for the next two months

Time to go back to neoform combo

Star Chart is actually huge for this deck

[subtle sierra]

tf you mean good news

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5GBPvhGKU&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

[zinc shard]

thats the joke

[subtle sierra]

the joke is bad if i didn't get it

/s

i'm stupid, ok?

[golden plover]

The joke is that no one is gonna play standards for the next two months

[gilded glade]

[glad peak]

it's very good news, i don't see commander players there

[stark skiff]

Commander night is on a different night

[glad peak]

doesn't have to be commander night to be infested with commander players

at least around here

[steady onyx]

^

[glad peak]

Unluckily, they’re also the type to scoff at every other format, including cube

And decks that are either better or worst than theirs

[tardy echo]

We get it u hate commander players

[glad peak]

I’m being serious about the type of people

[past socket]

It is just really exhausting to hear you whine about them

[glad peak]

Tbf I do see all sorts of people who happen to only play commander

Might be why I have such an aversion to that format

[gilded glade]

[glad peak]

I just realized I haven’t shown on this server what I think about mtg finance guys

[gilded glade]

mtg finance guys are the worst

Commander players are bad too, but on an ironic level, not on a real level

[broken fjord]

Some people can only enjoy mtg through commander. I've tried 1v1 formats. Did not enjoy them.

[atomic harness]

Fwiw modern is my favorite

[glad peak]

Seen a decent chunk of fine commander players but they’re usually covid refugees from another format

The ones who only played commander ever and are weird about it are the ones I have a problem with

Speaking of which, finally seeing sentiment online changing towards agreeing on learning more than just commander so that’s a good sign

[zinc shard]

1-1 so far

[glad peak]

Norn seems really good here but unclear what to take out

[stark skiff]

Can confirm i scoff at these other joke formats

[glad peak]

It’s ok to be wrong

[stark skiff]

pretty cool giveaway

[glad peak]

So wotc might have a point with the new drafting system theyre pushing for spiderman

[zinc shard]

Pick 2 Draft?

[glad peak]

Yep

I know it was a thing in the commander ones but this is the first set really designed around that

And allows you to have some parasitic cards in your pool without forcing people to commit to it

[copper pecan]

i tried pick 2 drafting foundations recently and i enjoyed it a lot

[gritty nest]

I’ve been debating on picking up a 60 card format

Not standard or modern though, standard because it’s basically shit, and everyone locally would just stomp me, and I dislike rotating formats. Modern doesn’t sound like my cup of tea

[fallow citrus]

pauper time then

[zinc shard]

ye Pauper or Pioneer are your options

unless you have thousands of dollars to drop on Legacy

[glad peak]

Pauper’s great

[gritty nest]

Nobody local plays either

Pioneer honestly sounds the most interesting but everyone memes on it. I never understood why. All I know is it’s ravnica forward

[glad peak]

pioneer isn't too bad but it's midrange central and turns out people don't really like midrange mirrors

[tardy echo]

The big memes abt pioneer is that nobody actually builds it good

[glad peak]

perks of a less tested format

but also there's a lot less tutoring or consistency options

[lapis viper]

Another day at locals in the books

Slivers is now 2-2
Yoshimaru/kediss is 1-4
Kilo is 0-3
Grist is getting taken apart or something that shit is turbo ass

[steady onyx]

alright guys
i want to build a new commander deck
and i want to build mono color
i was thinking mono green, cause mono black which I was thinking before seems kinda similar no matter commander and a bit boring,

i am kinda between maybe lumra and six rn im leaning twoards lumra but are there any other mono green commanders and also other mono colored commanders that are fun? i want something that like i can run at bracket 4 (prob gonna start deck proxied then slowly buy it) and i dont want like no interaction and completely slow game i want to be able to do stuff early and late game if possible

[glad peak]

lumra or yeva

lots of interaction and can turbo out wins

[steady onyx]

lumra looks more fuyn then yeva

is there any other mono color I should look into?

[glad peak]

magda tbh

very interactive

[steady onyx]

im not a big fan of maga

magda

but i know shes fun

mono white seems boring as its just like slowing down rest of table

[glad peak]

yeva isn't flashy (ironically) but very effective

[steady onyx]

yeah she seems effective

[glad peak]

draw go in mono green is hilarious

[steady onyx]

i kinda like luimra a bit more tho

[glad peak]

you can do mono green storm with one of the elves

baral mono blue storm is funny but can get boring after a bit

[steady onyx]

like mono black intersts me

[glad peak]

but yeah lumra with analyst combo as a backup is fun

[steady onyx]

but the commanders that intrest me are

tegrid, braids, massacre girl

[glad peak]

mono black can do a couple different things but tend to be turbo

braids arisen nightmare might be where you want to be

[sudden lava]

Alternative monogreen suggestion (if you dont mind) Quina is fun

[steady onyx]

not at all

[steady onyx]

yedah i know this thing

[glad peak]

yeah no lol

[steady onyx]

from the final fantasy jump in

[steady onyx]

whats braids like

i just nkow people can et annoyed with her

[sudden lava]

Note because the frog is an add on to the ability itself, anything the tokens would enter with (say +1/+1 counters for example) also go to the frog

[glad peak]

arisen nightmare uses braids as a card draw engine rather than a stax piece, though you have to run a lot of type fodder

[sudden lava]

So like incubate would give those +1/+1 counters
Or the (pricey and easy) way of using slime against humanity for ever growing slimes and frogs

[glad peak]

drawing 1-3 cards a turn is always going to be good but you're going to die to blue in higher levels since you can't really turbo too much

[steady onyx]

For braids?

hm

deck seems to interactgive

i want to put big stompy stuff out aswell

but also like I dont want my entire deck to die to bog

which i feel lumra does

which is sad

[glad peak]

when lumra combos you don't die to bog other than crop rotation bog iirc

[steady onyx]

hm ok

[sleek ferry]

Standard is on a 3 year rotation, you’re not feeling that rotation as hard as other games with rotation. Also, I wouldn’t listen to the vocal minority in the mtg community, they’re literally the worst part of playing mtg for me

[steady onyx]

thugs help me buiild new commander deck

[sleek ferry]

Nty

I don’t have the bandwidth to play games

[steady onyx]

meanie poo

[gritty nest]

Sounds like something I’d like

[glad peak]

you should build ruin hulk

[gritty nest]

I still don’t like the idea of rotation, but I get what you mean

[glad peak]

trust me, it becomes a slog to get through

[gritty nest]

Mudkip

I was a chronic weather painter player

[sleek ferry]

The current 3 year rotation is no different than Yugioh pseudo rotating cards every 6-8 months via the banlist

[gritty nest]

I was considering dinonorphia as the deck to play yugioh again with

[gritty nest]

I haven’t played since 2018 and I can’t really comment anymore on ygo

I was the guy taking shit like genex to locals and getting top 3

I’ll think about standard, but I can’t guarantee I’ll go with it

What exactly stops pioneer from just turning into a clone of standard or modern? Do they ban stuff preemptively there or just ban entirely different things?

Or do they see the first non midrange deck and ban it lol

[steady onyx]

https://moxfield.com/decks/DUCpn3aCt0GWhKdNqWPcTg
found a list and copied it and made cheapest printings and it dosent look too bad but idk i dont like just copying lists but i cant deckbuild for shit

[sleek ferry]

The joke has recently been that pioneer is just less interesting standard. Since all the meta decks were just standard decks

[glad peak]

Always has been

Well, the sentiment changed for a bit then changed back, not too sure why tbh

Because it started with just being standards.format then became its own thing for a bit and now it’s back to standards.format

[sleek ferry]

It was poor man’s modern for a bit when creativity combo was around

Then Amalia combo came about

And pioneer became literally the worst format

[gritty nest]

Rip

[glad peak]

I liked it when creativity and lotus and rakdos were the best decks

Well, rakdos not as much but at least there was a balance of decks instead of being effective mirrors

[fallow citrus]

I miss creativity in modern

deck was lit

[gritty nest]

What was it?

[glad peak]

Creativity to get archon of cruelty

Well there was a version to get omnath but that was a janky version

Rest of the deck is control/tempo pieces or a way to make a token to destroy off creativity

There were some variants running it with rhinos too iirc

[fallow citrus]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-indomitable-creativity#paper

technically still playable

[atomic harness]

My goat

[glad peak]

[[goatnap]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/126/goatnap

Goatnap <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. If that creature is a Goat, it also gets +3/+0 until end of turn.
"The steering horns ain't steering!"

[zinc shard]

My goat!

[glad peak]

OUR goat

[sudden lava]

Got Gogo for Tifa now

Mime clone go brrr

[trail anvil]

reanimate is a funny card

[fallow citrus]

this sucks

store champs tonight and my elspeth is fucking lost in the post

[steady onyx]

:(

thats always rough

[glad peak]

Elspeth, lost but seeking

[urban crane]

Hoi

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-vjxkkvC4xo?si=QOYpeFHCtWwhSTL9

[urban crane]

[[quantum riddler]]curious wich format/deck sees this play in?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/72/quantum-riddler

Quantum Riddler <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When this creature enters, draw a card.
As long as you have one or fewer cards in hand, if you would draw one or more cards, you draw that many cards plus one instead.
Warp
4/6

[subtle sierra]

some vivi decks play it if they also play artist's talent

[glad peak]

Modern blink

[steady onyx]

https://moxfield.com/decks/LF6vOjs_C0-sm_vqB56-Mg

whatshoud i add to improve? can be funny can be good idrc just want to add new stuff as havent rly updated this deck recently

[stark skiff]

Picked this up

@atomic harness @sleek ferry

[past socket]

Enjoy some life instead of this creature, kupo

[glad peak]

So normally I don’t like themillguy because he has some shit takes but he did put me onto a potentially cool format

Tiny leaders reborn: commander with a different banlist, 20 life, only cmc less than 3, 1v1, 10 card sideboard, best of 3, 50 cards

[fallow citrus]

now get the other half

[zinc shard]

Oh boy, new Brewers Kitchen! Let's see what crazy deck he's made...

Oh it's just Wrenn and Six Brawl

[trail anvil]

yeah this is not really creative but I think this is just a call to ban this bs lol

[sleek ferry]

https://magic.gg/news/marvels-spider-man-swings-into-disney-retail-stores

Promo

[atomic harness]

Looks good

[stark skiff]

i think this is just a comic book copy and not the promo card

but this is neat

might have to head to disney since the collectors wont be marked up lol

[gilded glade]

That's unfortunately a comic

[last glen]

hey
oversized commander card

[steady onyx]

what are some mtg like effects?

wow

dueling ground

like effects in naya

[zinc shard]

[[Silent Arbiter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/972/silent-arbiter

Silent Arbiter <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Construct
No more than one creature can attack each combat.
No more than one creature can block each combat.
Scholars say that arbiters exist on every world, created by an unknown hand to enforce justice.
1/5

[zinc shard]

[[Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/347/mirri-weatherlight-duelist

Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
First strike
Whenever Mirri attacks, each opponent can't block with more than one creature this combat.
As long as Mirri is tapped, no more than one creature can attack you each combat.
3/2

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/MSCwzg8iufE?si=EW4NT_14mRy6yRKg

[broken fjord]

Really enjoy this commander, but I'm kinda out of ideas on what to change. Think I've been with this for so long it's hard to think of upgrades at this point. Any of you experts got any cool techs?
https://moxfield.com/decks/t9UDS0DW2Eeliw0eqrxs0g

[sudden lava]

clones and

https://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards-2/ikoria-lair-of-behemoths/gyruda-doom-of-depths/mtg-cards/_user-added/femme_fatale-gyruda-doom-of-depths-iko-15858741410.png

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8TkQ1nwUDYU?si=eLtUdPmSCntGPBYf

[broken fjord]

Nah. Secret Commander is more interesting and fun than making him a clone or using Gyruda.

[steady onyx]

tldr?

[zinc shard]

Modal Duel Faced Cards can now be flipped by cards like [[Moonmist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/isd/195/moonmist

Moonmist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Transform all Humans. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn by creatures other than Werewolves and Wolves. (Only double-faced cards can be transformed.)

[steady onyx]

oh

[copper pecan]

i think moonmist might be the single most poorly futureproofed card in the entire game

like, did they think that they would just never do more double-sided humans or what?

[fallow citrus]

I think they hoped they wouldn't

[glad peak]

Moon mist was a different time

[sudden lava]

Avatar State can be unlocked by moon mist confirmed

[tardy echo]

It’s crazy because they could’ve just added like 2 words and it would be so innocuously normal

[sudden lava]

new secret lair alert

https://i.redd.it/3vza0rddtcpf1.jpeg

[fallow citrus]

yeah it should have said turn day to night

[tardy echo]

Or even just turn any humans to werewolves or anything like that

[fallow citrus]

lfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AybeLOyrZo

[glad peak]

Oh hey chrysalis is still legal?

Great card

I should play pauper again, people are picking it back up around here

[fallow citrus]

unfortunately the only local pauper tourney is at the same time as ygo so I can't play

I would love to though

[glad peak]

Biggest store here doesn’t want to host because doing so will lose them money

They’ll be giving away more store credit on average to fully fund another deck

[steady onyx]

i wish places around me played paper

i rly like fairies

[golden plover]

https://fixupx.com/col_amazonian/status/1967996962973859997?s=46&t=byGe0dhHv-krRTaPKz-sgA

Amy the Amazonian ☕ 💕 🤖 (@coL_Amazonian)

Arena Anthology 3 may have been leaked in-client.

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FixupX · Sep 16, 2025, 5:00 PM

Looks like it's mostly brawl cards

[twilit canyon]

noble, chain, jitte, batterskull, kaldra, emrakul, yavimaya, flickerwisp, voidwalker, necromancy, crop rot, exploration, and memory jar are all quite impactful

[waxen timber]

Exploration and Crop Rot is going to make Strip Mine even better lol

[fallow citrus]

is there everything for goblins in timeless or historic

because bombardiers is p good

[twilit canyon]

i think they are missing like 1-2 pieces from legacy goblins

[glad peak]

My favorite control deck

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/6of5iD_QppM?si=Uwd2wksRL8SZXxVz

[lapis viper]

New SLD

[sudden lava]

yes it's playdough

[lapis viper]

Benefits extra life and print to demand

[sudden lava]

^

[lapis viper]

Also good value, around $43 in reprints

Yeah I'm just throwing the card images up too so people don't have to dig

[sudden lava]

gotcha

(well they wouldnt need to dig, the cards werent up)

[steady onyx]

so imma guess

there is no way to build superfriends on a budget

correct?

[lusty trench]

I mean there is it just wont be good

[steady onyx]

sad

ive always wanted to try a deck

that

buyt maybe i should build a bad deck

on a low budget...

what would be best commander for a more budget

prob not a 5 or 4c?

carth or smt?

[lusty trench]

Best budget commanders are 1 colour

[steady onyx]

1c superfriends sounds bad tho

like really bad

worse then budget 2 or 3 c

[lusty trench]

Oh for super friends specifically err

[steady onyx]

i have a budget 3c deck

uril

it cost me 15$

thats my budget deck

but like i at least wanna try to build a superfriends deck

its always something ive really wanted to try out

as it seems fun to me

but expensive as shit

[lusty trench]

These are your only real options

And cheap super friends means worse planeswalkers

[steady onyx]

yeah

what has more fun planeswalkers

jeskai or golgari

[lusty trench]

Id say jeskai personally

[glad peak]

Golgari

[twilit canyon]

personal preference tbh

[steady onyx]

yeah

i do like narset

:P

[glad peak]

You get to play liliana

[steady onyx]

yeah

[glad peak]

And grist

[lusty trench]

You might be able to pick up a gruff precon for $50

[steady onyx]

ooh

gruff had a precon?

[lusty trench]

Ye

[steady onyx]

??

👀

[lusty trench]

Comes with chainveil

[steady onyx]

bro

found one for 54...

ill consider it

i could upgrade this into a 5c aswell later down the line if i so want to

[lusty trench]

Generally superfriends upgrades to atraxa as commander

But then it becomes KoS

[steady onyx]

i was thinking esika

but

[lusty trench]

Esika isnt a bad option either

Just more expensive land base

[steady onyx]

thats the issue

[twilit canyon]

they are fully craftable and playable rn btw

im using dauthi in my jund goyf list in historic rn in the regular unranked queue at least until i can confirm i wont get hit

[glad peak]

Anyone try tiny leaders reborn?

Seems interesting to have a singleton format but it’s less cards than normal

I don’t really care for the less than 3 cmc thing much

Actually I think I’d prefer a more open format where 50 isnt the exact deck size and you can play cards more than 3 cmc, maybe

Half canlander

[twilit canyon]

i love burn

chain lightning my beloved 🥹

[steady onyx]

i love hearfire hero and monstrous rage

why cant we unban them

:(

[twilit canyon]

neither heartfire nor rage are burn

[steady onyx]

hearfire burns

[twilit canyon]

not what a burn deck is built around

[steady onyx]

so u like that 4c deck ion standard rn?

isnt that mostly burn

ur wincon is like helix n shit>

?

[twilit canyon]

no lol

im not playing standard

im playing good cards

[steady onyx]

??

its fun tho

well

when theres no vivi

cause my locals has no vivi

but for the rcq people will prob come wiht vivi

[twilit canyon]

standard's fine

but standard cards are not chain lightning

[sleek ferry]

Say it louder for the people in the back

[twilit canyon]

i mean fine in the sense of its okay to play

i dont particularly like this meta rn

[sleek ferry]

I’m not going to say the meta is particularly interesting to me either, but that’s a deck preference

I do think mono red dragons is a fun ass deck

[steady onyx]

i mean im just gonna say personally i think vivi is a problem

because esp with that deck

its like

u barely interact

its kidna just like

[sleek ferry]

We’ve had this talk here way too many times for me to engage in it again

[steady onyx]

i mean im habving a hel of a time with my simic midrange deck

so fun

[trail anvil]

I'm about to throttle someone at wotc if we don't get a ban soon

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/through-the-omenpaths-card-and-event-updates

Arena Anthologies 3 and 4

Also adding [[Crumbling Vestige]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/170/crumbling-vestige

Crumbling Vestige

Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, add one mana of any color.
: Add . ( represents colorless mana.)

[zinc shard]

Broadside Bombardiers is banned in Historic.
Gut, True Soul Zealot is banned in Historic.
Iona, Shield of Emeria is banned in Brawl.

[glad peak]

Gut is so fun in 1v1 20 life formats

[steady onyx]

gut is so annoying in limited

:(

[glad peak]

I meant that exclusively in limited

Love my little gutsy boi in cube

That being said, aggro isnt something you see everyday in limited so I’m glad it exists in cube and certain set limited environments

[sleek ferry]

He’s been getting cooked so hard, you love to see it https://x.com/saffronolive/status/1967613995072065618?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive)

I think it might be time to drop the legend rule as a gameplay mechanic. It has already changed many times, each making it less meaningful. Seems like the next step is to drop it all together and just use legendary to mean "legal as commander" and "important to the story."

X · Sep 15, 2025, 3:38 PM

[steady onyx]

im confused

what

[sleek ferry]

It’s a shit take

[hidden ermine]

Is it?

[fallow citrus]

yes

[[mox opal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/275/mox-opal

Mox Opal <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Legendary Artifact
Metalcraft — : Add one mana of any color. Activate only if you control three or more artifacts.
The suns of Mirrodin have shone upon perfection only once.

[fallow citrus]

for one

but a load of legends are in fact balanced areound being legends in eternal formats

[hidden ermine]

Oh for past cards I can see it (though you can just use restriction as a tool if need be) but for modern card design I do think theres a strong case to be made that the legendary rule is just kinda clunky

[twilit canyon]

its a good nerf to cards

cant control 2 of a certain legend is a good balancing design

[fallow citrus]

this conversation has only come about because of the spiderman set

literally nobody has ever thought this is a good idea until now

[twilit canyon]

and the spider-man set is only slightly awkward cus of common legends

(it really isnt that bad)

[hidden ermine]

I've seen this argument made before, though Im not surprised Spiderman exarcerbated it

I'm just not convinced that "drawing multiples is a drawback sometimes" is a good balancing lever

[twilit canyon]

drawing multiples is always a draw back

it also prevents them from existing together without significant effort

[fallow citrus]

sometimes it's good tho

[twilit canyon]

yep

legend ruling cards into the gy

[fallow citrus]

rare time I've actually downticked my elspeth in standard to blow something up

to then play another to tick her up

[twilit canyon]

would also make some cards like elspeth a bit stupid

[fallow citrus]

oh that card would be fucked

[hidden ermine]

I mean yeah theres niche cases and some old card design might sometimes be stupid but

[twilit canyon]

5 million tokens

[hidden ermine]

It really just feels like a relic of the past that isn't terribly in sync with the modern game

[twilit canyon]

i think a lot of old cards would significantly be affected

ie: planeswalkers

hero of dominaria would be the only card legal

going digital

jarsyl would be a messed up and evil card idk how you'd ever truly handle him

[trail anvil]

I think UB brought this discussion up in general cause of the increase in legends

[fallow citrus]

I don't think "old card design didn't account for no legend rule" is an argument for no legend rule

like every non singleton format that isn't standard gets affected by it

[trail anvil]

but either way I'm still in the camp of "it's necessary for balancing"

[fallow citrus]

in crazy ways

ragavan not being legendary would be mad

[trail anvil]

even Singleton formats are affected due to clone effects

can you imagine everything turns into sakashima

[copper pecan]

if they got rid of the legend rule they'd need to errata a lot of stuff

it doesn't matter super often but in the situations it does matter in it matters a lot

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1417696371213074452/image.png?ex=68cb6c22&is=68ca1aa2&hm=de0aafb95eceba9e554285a4bbdc2db7f9c00d261a7a3182c806236b23afceed&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=506&height=809

[rigid scarab]

Secret lair

[glad peak]

definitely a chocobo-only format where you can only use FF based cards and never again reprinted

oh and multiplayer only of course

[sudden lava]

https://preview.redd.it/6-vivis-in-the-scg-orlando-top-8-makes-me-think-of-my-v0-bpfpvt4t9gmf1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=9744f2699114f6ce79cb3a121ea16787443e961b

[gritty nest]

Play doh cards go hard

[sudden lava]

Surprised no play-doh sol ring

that is just a ring of play-doh

[gritty nest]

Because they hit the monthly quota of secret lairs with it

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1020928983883325522/1417592377501028382/2_kvPLmmQIaz.webp?ex=68cb0b48&is=68c9b9c8&hm=a8ea36a6448979a1ca84e9ad02f31d0d14148eba5781cdf4dcb80149d4761c98&=&format=webp&width=495&height=691

cool af poly raptor tho

[trail anvil]

finally getting academy manufactor on arena is so nice

[gilded glade]

Maybe wizards noticed that not everyone has a few thousand dollarinos for the different colored chocobos and is making a secret lair with different chocobos in different colors

[zinc shard]

Someone goofed

[lusty trench]

I dont even know what they would do for a second set

They touched on pretty much everything the first go around

Maybe they'll not fuck up FFXs cards so much (literal only good one is vivi and hes also a fuck up in the opposite direction)

[waxen timber]

They could maybe do a new story. Probably would be like FGO where you summon powerful spirits from across the multiverse and times then team up to fight some kind of new enemy who is also summoning spirits

Or it could just be that they made so much money from the first set, even if the next set is just scrapping from the bottom of the barrel, they still could rake in a ton of money

[golden plover]

Nah they never try and do lore for UB sets

No new ideas

It's just the setting so the first is definitely off the table

[fallow citrus]

I can see it being more secret lairs or a smaller aftermath type set with stuff they missed

[golden plover]

Isn't this just gonna be the Christmas scene boxes that got leaked

[lusty trench]

...the possibility of holiday collector packs like lotr escaped me

Oh dear

[golden plover]

Yeah it's definitely that

[atomic harness]

FGO is crazy

[sudden lava]

oh yeah I can see it be a scene box

or like the supposed chocobo bundle?

[stark skiff]

Wish me luck @atomic harness

@sleek ferry

[stark skiff]

Holy shit thank you @atomic harness

[atomic harness]

You're welcome son

[urban crane]

Omg gg

Also how much is that thing even now?

[stark skiff]

It’s still presale prices so nothing concrete

[urban crane]

Still really crazy pull

Got anything else?

[lusty trench]

Is it like Friday where you are or did your lgs just say fuck it

[sleek ferry]

The rich get richer

[glad peak]

Now that I think about it, what’re some knowledge check decks? (Either for the player or for the opponent)

Probably gonna make 40 or 50 card decks to simulate something similar for coaching purposes

I know there’s lifegain, hardened scales, burn, counterspell tribal, and storm

[trail anvil]

control in general tbh

idk which format you're doing it for but Phoenix is a nice one

[gilded glade]

Banding

[fallow citrus]

lantern control

[glad peak]

It’s not really format specific but I think 50 card singleton with a commander would lead to the best teaching moments

Was also thinking slivers or elves, elves in particular is an interesting one since it’s a skill check for both players

[trail anvil]

ah yes rule #1, bolt the bird

[glad peak]

Actually yeah

The amount of players who decide to bolt face at 20 when I have a bop or ragavan t1 is insane

[stark skiff]

Had it preordered. Cool with the store so they gave it to me when it arrived.

[lusty trench]

Bro if I were the store id be cool with you too the money you drop

[stark skiff]

Best foil pulls. Also got an Extended Web of Life and Destiny

[lusty trench]

That ponder goes hard

[stark skiff]

Got one more box 👀 but I have to wait after work lol. Yea I like these alts.

[waxen timber]

Seeing the comic book art as actual cards and not just images on the web, they look pretty decent

[gilded glade]

It's always Friday somewhere

[urban crane]

Pretty nice pulls

[glad peak]

So I don’t know much about commander specific rulings

What would happen if hypothetically there’s a legendary creature land with no mana cost and someone wanted to play it as a commander

Basically the question is: does the command zone specify casting your commander or playing your commander

[waxen timber]

It is not legal as a commander but, you could Rule 0 it in

If you do Rule 0 it in, you gotta make up how you balance the commander tax.

[glad peak]

A legendary creature land with no mana cost would be allowed as a commander in the current rules of the game

[waxen timber]

Oh, like a legendary Dyrad Arbor? I thought you were talking about Creeping Tar Pit type of land for a sec

[waxen timber]

Commanders begin the game in the Command Zone. While a commander is in the command zone, it may be cast, subject to the normal timing restrictions for casting creatures. Its owner must pay for each time it was previously cast from the command zone; this is an additional cost.

[glad peak]

Ah ok it’s cast, not play

Sounds good

[waxen timber]

So if they did make a legendary Dyrad Arbor, it would just be stuck in the command zone all game lol

[atomic harness]

How so

[glad peak]

You can’t cast lands unless it specifically says

And even then I’m not sure how it works rules-wise, since text overrides rules but land

[atomic harness]

Sigh

[last glen]

traditional pro wrestling wisdom
push the guy that's over

[trail anvil]

time to find out once we get an alchemy card that perpetually turns creatures into lands lul

[stark skiff]

Since the first one worked out. Second box time!

@atomic harness wake up and bless me

[sleek ferry]

I love that opposition agent

But your 2 boxes seem better than average

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/13639736/yshtola_nights_blessed_wip

Is the stuff in the maybeboard too harsh for a deck that’s wanting to be control?

Ignore vile duplication and the other copy spell, those are just memes

[stark skiff]

Oh cool to know. Haven’t seen openings yet. At this point I just wanna get a Gwen and Goblin card as they eluded me. Somehow Miles twice and I’m not even building him

[urban crane]

I saw a video of 5 boxes no soul stone talking about regular art btw

[sleek ferry]

The miles morales you pulled is like the 3rd most expensive card in the set iirc

[ornate cedar]

Something to pay for

Get excited to spend money, pay pigs!

[sudden lava]

New York comic con is gonna reveal a new UB related to nickelodeon @ornate cedar

[ornate cedar]

Honestly, what else would do well after SpongeBob and Avatar and still fit with Magic’s theme? Fairly OddParents? Danny Phantom? Invader Zim? (Thinking millennial bait primarily)

Probably Fairly OddParents if I had to guess. Butch Hartman sold out loooong ago and it was the number two Nickelodeon show for a while

But who knows maybe it’s All That or Drake and Josh lololol

Unironically I think adventure time would be cool

It’s not a Nick property but I mean as like a potential future set

[lusty trench]

Got one collector pack

[subtle sierra]

bro is rich

[lusty trench]

I work part time minimum wage i wish

Just msrp

[steady onyx]

holy thats clean asf

i kinda wanna buy 1 collector pack now

[lusty trench]

The advertisement is working

[steady onyx]

mainly cause i want that 1 card

i like venom

and would love venom commander deck

but i want fancy venom art

u should just send it my way

😉

[twilit canyon]

the pipe bomb will be delivered soon

[steady onyx]

😭

what u dont like spiderman aswell mist

y

im going to prerelease tmr

but like most other people in my area rly dont like it and idk

[ornate cedar]

Oooh that looks clean

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/hue-huehue-huehuehue-duck-laugh-gif-4916860

[stark skiff]

Those 3 are bangers

[ornate cedar]

Right? If they did an Invader Zim run I would get those cards in a heartbeat. The creator for that show also seems like the type to make art for a game like Magic. He does a lot of indie pieces and individual prints

[sleek ferry]

You’re just the absolute goat

Don’t buy another one

You peaked

[steady onyx]

is ygra playable standard?

[tardy echo]

Not really

Golgari is weird in standard and ygra itself is really slow for the pace decks play

Also I’m kinda shocked by how much the 4c control deck shot up

I kind of figured mono red would because that deck still just has good cards

Also I played vs the stupid gearhulk deck this shits so annoying @twilit canyon

Seam rip is so obnoxious bro

[twilit canyon]

it really is lol

its unfortunate that its not an artifact like [[portable hole]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/33/portable-hole

Portable Hole <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls with mana value 2 or less until this artifact leaves the battlefield.
"They fall for it every time."

[tardy echo]

Idk it’d be really annoying for non-green colors anyways personally

Also on my list of decks I finally played against today was the stormcaller deck

[twilit canyon]

god lmao

yeah standard is in such a weird spot

its kind of peak? but it has some really fucking annoying decks

[tardy echo]

Normally I enjoy when combo decks are playable in standard but every combo deck right now is either just way too strong or way too volatile

I think the battlecrier is both hype and not that obnoxious but aside from that

[steady onyx]

imagine playing non green decks

:)

[steady onyx]

yeah i kinda thought so, do you think it will ever slow to a point ygra may be playable?

[tardy echo]

No lol

Food just doesn’t have the setup in the same way it does in commander

And it’s not like ygra is some bracket 4 menace

I don’t actually know what’s even good in commander anymore

Isn’t yshtola like the goat now or something

[steady onyx]

i like cocaine bear

but idk outside that

[steady onyx]

fair enough

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamer

[twilit canyon]

nothing is good in commander

[twilit canyon]

yw bud

[zinc shard]

Damn

[tardy echo]

Word

@twilit canyon mtg lore question

What exactly happened in mkm

Like ik trostani was the villain or something but why

[twilit canyon]

very little lol

string of murders take place, including some notable ppl, and the set of suspects are obviously taken a look at and investigated

trostani was just lashing out at guilds she thought didnt actively contribute to the defense of ravnica during the phyrexian invasion iirc

[tardy echo]

Ok was she wrong though,,,

Also isn’t trostani like an entire tree full of dryads was it a joint effort

[twilit canyon]

she is just 3 dryads

but the selesnya do cover way too much area

[tardy echo]

As a more general question semi related but what exactly is the guild dynamic in Ravnica

I’m vaguely aware that golgari is like the bottom of the totem pole

[twilit canyon]

golgari recycles and takes care of trash
dimir are simple mail couriers
selesnya takes care of nature/parks and is kind of a cult
rakdos is an actual cult around the man himself and are performers etc etc
boros are the military police
azorius are lawmakers and detectives
orzhov runs the bank and religious churches
simic are bioengineers and scientists focused on biology and the oceans underneath the city
izzet are mad scientists and inventors
the gruul are anarchocommies

lastly

they all technically work under one banner which is the guildpact

generally

the white aligned factions are all allied in some capacity

azorius makes the laws the boros enforce them and the orzhov punish the lawbreakers while the selesnya offer a fair hand for those in need of legal assistance

this isnt to say they are the good guys ofc

rt the gruul are the stupidest guild

the entire plane is already one massive city

their goal is... very silly

they were made to keep civilization from overtaking all of nature

well... all of nature is now within the city

[tardy echo]

[atomic harness]

Dimir is the secret guild right 💪

[twilit canyon]

yes

[glad peak]

Dimir exists?

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[sudden lava]

I hope they make June Golgari

[glad peak]

Instructions unclear, 1 card green and 1 card black

[sudden lava]

My logic, she's from the earth nation despite no allegiance (So green) and she operates in the earth kingdom and fire nation (fire nation and earth kingdom both have partial black archetypes) so black

Also bounty counter is a black mechanic yeah?

[trail anvil]

I mean there's a colorless mana rock that has it

[sudden lava]

fair

[steady onyx]

holy

collector booster go brr

[steady onyx]

oh image never sent

[lapis viper]

Never fucking punished

[twilit canyon]

is it foil

[lapis viper]

Nah nonfoil

But I got 2 bundles from micro center

So between this and the other chaff I plussed and got an ancient yomb

[twilit canyon]

sick

[tardy echo]

They should put tomb in standard next set

It’s been a hit in every other format it got added to

[twilit canyon]

t2 stock up

[trail anvil]

sheeee

[tardy echo]

Fair and balanced

[trail anvil]

just run simic with llanowar elves 😎

[gritty nest]

Have any of you had your whole deck warp

[twilit canyon]

idt theres enough cards to warp a full deck let alone the lands

[lapis viper]

Physically warp

Or the mechanic warp

[trail anvil]

yeah I've had issues with moisture in the past. I'm trying to get dessicant packets to help

[tardy echo]

Tanuuk

[tardy echo]

Also unironically whenever simic does this it feels so broken

Whenever simic has good cards it feels so gross they just never give it good cards

[copper pecan]

there's a warp deck in alchemy

[sleek ferry]

Simic is literally good rn

It’s the most annoying deck to vs

[tardy echo]

Simic is like fine

But also simic only plays like 1 actual simic card to begin with though it is a good card

Aggressive mutation reads broken but idk if anything actually plays it imago is actually goated though

[trail anvil]

what's simic doing rn? last time I saw it they were beans

[trail anvil]

isn't that a commander only card or am I thinking of something else

[sleek ferry]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-simic-midrange-woe#paper

[tardy echo]

You’re thinking of something else

[sleek ferry]

Omniscience is also on simic colors now iirc

[tardy echo]

Yes but it normally only plays like 2 green cards

[trail anvil]

oh aggressive biomancy is the card I'm thinking of

but are you thinking of repulsive mutation

[tardy echo]

Probably

Give creature x counters then counter spell

for ugX

[trail anvil]

I feel like this is giving classic midrange with green, just more focused on growing your own stuff over killing all of theirs'

[tardy echo]

Ouroboroid is a really good card

[sleek ferry]

Yeah ouroboroid gets out of hand quickly

Pawpatch is annoying if it comes down early

[trail anvil]

ig you get a lot more value based cards in blue than with white

[sleek ferry]

T1 llanowar elves, t2 Pawpatch with offspring

[tardy echo]

Selesnya is normally cage with those types of cards

Simic deck plays more midrange cage just tries to end you on 4

[sudden lava]

With great power scales so fast in my pearl-ear deck

[steady onyx]

brooo simic is such a based color combo in standard rn

i like rly rly rly like my deck

[past socket]

Got a Ranger Captain of Eos lfg

[fallow citrus]

bro wrong chat

[atomic harness]

[steady onyx]

oops

bro i was like half asleep

do i use my opo agent i pulled

or try to trade away for moneu

[fallow citrus]

idk depends if you're playing black

[steady onyx]

welln i wanna build either ygra or massacre girl

in commander

but aso idk if i wanna build more commander decks

[trail anvil]

I wouldn't play opposition agent unless you're building a strong edh deck, it's a card that'll get you targeted quick

[steady onyx]

my only cedh deck is green so that makes sens

e

aybei do just get rid of

[fluid sierra]

I'm trying to sort all my Yugioh bulk as well as all the excess binders in my spare room, right now it's a different shelf for each game (Yugioh, Pokemon, Magic/other), sorted by category and type, also alphabetized for Yugioh, then type for Pokemon and colour for Magic, in this system what should I do with multi colour Magic cards?

[stark skiff]

The latest foil pickups

[subtle sierra]

Rich

[rigid scarab]

Moneybags

[gilded glade]

Scrouge

[sudden lava]

How many of the chaos emeralds you got?

[stark skiff]

just the green and red one so far

[zinc shard]

Dang the powercreep on these UB sets is getting out of hand

[zinc shard]

7000 power creature for 3 mana?

[trail anvil]

typically afaik most people group them by 2 and 3 color pairs, then 4 and 5

[haughty otter]

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FxTwitter · Sep 22, 2025, 1:03 AM

You know you made it far when your art ended up in Custom Card by someone else (and still being credited!)

[twilit canyon]

yooooooo

[past socket]

Ready to somehow get this in Chatterfang for a bit

[stark skiff]

Bought a collector pack cause I’m a degenerate. Can’t complain.

[subtle sierra]

rich once again

[atomic harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1nnngha/500_barrier_to_entry_for_tier_2_decks_is_crazy/ Thoughts on this? @twilit canyon @sleek ferry @subtle sierra

[subtle sierra]

Saga of the Blue Eyes

wut

[atomic harness]

Probably meant white destiny?

[subtle sierra]

i'd like reprints, personally i think having cards as stocks is cringe

well i hope they do or they're stupid

[glad peak]

Wow not pinging me for eternal format discussion?

[atomic harness]

Sorry mudkip . Your thoughts on this also?

[sleek ferry]

Not sure what the argument they’re trying to make is here, is it that WotC should be reprinting more aggressively in commander precons specifically or just in general? Because if you compare where reprints were 5 years ago compared to now, it’s night and day

Konami also doesn’t have to build sets for draft and can just reprint whatever, whenever

[subtle sierra]

konami is fairly welcome to design the pack filler to be draftable tbh

70% of main sets are quite useless and forgettable

for side sets, yeah idt they make it draftable without changing how the rarity distribution works

because you need to pull most of the archetype to be functional

[glad peak]

Reprints for magic have never been better but I do wish for masters sets to come back

[sleek ferry]

But using their example, shocks and fetches are probably the cheapest they’ve been. The change of no more straight to modern sets also means your eternal format decks likely will have a longer lifespan

[atomic harness]

Im guessing stuff like mox bropal and urza's saga shouldnt be costing tht much?

they need a reprint

[glad peak]

They definitely do

[atomic harness]

Also yeah weirdly enough this was the first time I got to own shocks and fetches

Thanks Edging

No thanks to you, spiderman

ouch

Also yeah a bunch of random techs from mirrodin thats still seeing play should probably get reprinted too

I mean mirrodin block is my favorite of all time but

[sleek ferry]

I will agree their structure decks were terrible, but the irony of them is they also invented a meta deck that wasn’t meta before

[waxen timber]

MTG is also way different from Yugioh cause the number 1 format is non-competitive. If you spend $30 you can make a Commander deck that you can happily play for months

[atomic harness]

There was a rly bad orzhov structure deck you can buy, tithe was the only card worth caring about there

Nice troll

[sleek ferry]

It’s just extremely hard to reprint stuff to the ground in mtg without massively affecting draft sets. Your best option is commander precons

[glad peak]

Honestly true

Or masters sets but they’re not going to do that again anytime soon

Masters sets have great drafts usually but they don’t have to be good

[sleek ferry]

Also, if you print stuff to the ground in commander precons, then players will complain you’re forcing them to buy into a format they don’t care about in order to get meta cards

[glad peak]

Since their purpose is supposed to be mostly reprints

People bought Phoenix precons just for the land and Phoenix, they’ll be fine

[golden plover]

I mean they could bring back the challenger decks at least

I dunno how you do the rest of it

But the challenger decks were a good start

[glad peak]

I wonder why they decided only 1 modern event deck and nothing else

Standard’s too volatile for challenger decks and they’re not really supporting pioneer rn, maybe next year

[golden plover]

Yeah I think pioneer challenger decks and actually supporting pioneer would be cool

Outside of the landbase, they could make the core of most of those decks like $50

[glad peak]

They’re not gonna do Modern any time soon

[sleek ferry]

Didn’t we get the pioneer challenger decks?

[atomic harness]

Bioneer

[golden plover]

Jund doesn't run anything that'd be stupid expensive outside of like Fable

[atomic harness]

Free my boys fury and grief, holy

[golden plover]

Like 3 years ago before they decided to start killing the format

[glad peak]

We got pioneer challenger decks and it was a great direction

And then they started to stop caring about pioneer

[sleek ferry]

If they wanted to do modern challenger decks, now would be the time tbh

The format is super stable

[glad peak]

Pretty fun rn too

Too bad their reasoning is just gonna be that cards are too expensive

[golden plover]

Yeah they'll never do modern challenger decks because they won't make a $50 deck that has "$300" worth of cards

[sleek ferry]

The issue is if you commit to making challenger decks, how often do you make them? Do you do 1 every 3 years? That way you could do challenger decks for modern/pioneer/standard on each separate year

[golden plover]

Pioneer would be the best sweet spot for these but they hate pioneer

[sleek ferry]

Also, you don’t need to make the challenger decks be the t1 decks

[golden plover]

3 years, with each format being a different year would be awesome

They tried that the year they did the standard and pioneer challenger decks

[sleek ferry]

Just something a player can pick up and bring to locals to be semi competitive with

[golden plover]

The standard ones were all solidly t2, with one of them being almost 1:1 a t1 list iirc

And all the pioneer ones both times were solid t1 and t2 decks

Obviously shit like the Phoenix deck only having 2 Phoenix and no shock was a dumb decision

But like the Orzhov and mono white list were pretty much exactly what they were playing at the time (minus sideboard)

[glad peak]

The modern event deck choice was a good choice but they didn’t wanna commit

[sleek ferry]

Like right now, if I was making challenger decks for standard, I would probably do, mono red dragons, Dimir Midrange, Simic Midrange and Orzhov Bounce

[glad peak]

Good choice for the time at least, easy deck that’s perfect to get into the format

[golden plover]

See they also don't wanna do a challenger deck where the cards just came out (ie: this year)

So the standard ones would be crippled

And part of that is because there's too many sets coming out for standard now

[sleek ferry]

Standard timing is for sure the hardest

[golden plover]

I mean a lot of this does just circle back to standard having too many sets coming out too quickly

6 sets a year is not feasible

[sleek ferry]

This lady annoys me to no end btw. She’s the Dire equivalent of mtg https://x.com/wildstwawberry/status/1970299122830754077?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

winnie! (@wildstwawberry)

Who is this product for?? Why are you including a Collector Booster in my draft product :/

X · Sep 23, 2025, 1:28 AM

[golden plover]

Non-rotating formats would be easier to make the challenger decks for since there's no chance a deck would be unplayable or lagging half a year behind by the time it's printed (outside of maybe a few new rares that slot into a list)

[sleek ferry]

Releasing a 4 player draft box for $90 seems really good to me idk

[golden plover]

It's a good idea

I just don't think they'll ever sit at $90 unless the set is a big dud lol

Because collectors boosters are getting scalped to hell now

And this product having one in it is just asking for it to get bought up immediately

[sleek ferry]

On prerelease yeah, but Spider-Man is on a free fall rn

[golden plover]

Oh yeah spiderman is bombing HARD lol

Apparently my LGS, which consistently sells out of every prerelease, couldn't fire spiderman on Sunday

[sleek ferry]

All 8 of my prereleases sold out by Tuesday of last week

[golden plover]

Friday night sold out

Apparently both the Saturday ones were only half sold

And Sunday couldn't fire at all

They've never had that happen before

There's like 60 boxes just sitting on the shelves and I'm sure they'll be cheaper than MKM in a few months (MKM still has a bit of value because of the lands)

One of the other stores had 10 people on Saturday according to my friend that went

[waxen timber]

Even if they did a modern challenger deck and made it an actual deck, it would be scalped and sold at $300

[sleek ferry]

they would have to make the deck almost 1:1 to its optimized form for that to be the case

which we've seen wotc is not doing for challenger decks

[golden plover]

They'd do something like energy with a dogshit manabase and half the mythics lol

[glad peak]

1 phlage 1 ragavan

[waxen timber]

Ragavan is in the bonus slot which appears in every 8 deck

[lapis viper]

I got a box of mb2

I think I'm gonna crack it today

[twilit canyon]

wotc barely pushes ppl into those formats anywyas lol

[glad peak]

Why not draft with one of the best draft sets of all time

[lapis viper]

No time ngl

Wouldn't be for at least a couple weeks

[zinc shard]

5000 Gold!?

[zinc shard]

So they made it so the Draft tokens can only be used for Premier Drafts, but didn't give us a Premier Draft for Through the Omenpaths

[trail anvil]

don't those always come later in the format

[sleek ferry]

Yeah

[glad peak]

If the life expectancy of a format is to be dead on arrival, the start is considered late

[copper pecan]

they usually don't do premier draft queues for a few weeks after the set comes out

[sudden lava]

we got leaks

Also upcoming set timeline for 2026 apparently from same source
ECL is first then

April 24, Strixhaven

June, ||Marvel Super Hero||

August, ||Hobbits||

November,|| Star Trek||

[glad peak]

damn, i wished the august one was a shitpost and not a real one

saw it earlier with some... interesting choices

[sudden lava]

we got more then just the name?

[glad peak]

there was something but i really think that's just a shitpost that was a coincidence

[steady onyx]

whats rest of 2025

[sudden lava]

Avatar

[lapis viper]

If this is true then that's pretty boring

November is kinda cool

[stark skiff]

Wow only June for me

[trail anvil]

wait do we really have 3 UB in a row

or are there sets in between we don't know yet

[subtle sierra]

||orcish bowmasters|| in standard pogger

[tardy echo]

What’s the third

[trail anvil]

||marvel, hobbits, star trek||

[subtle sierra]

Well the leak has 3 in a row

[tardy echo]

Oh we got leaks

That’s fucking dogshit bro

||Star Trek right after we got eoe????||

[atomic harness]

Nice troll game son

I'm moving to genesys

[tardy echo]

These lorwyn leaks look pretty cute though

Idc enough to spoiler the set when it’s been announced we’re going back to lorwyn like a year in advance

Does that mean ||mutavault|| back in standard

[trail anvil]

on that card it is

[atomic harness]

Actually yeah lorwyn 2 might b goated

but everything else is poopoo

[tardy echo]

Ok but what are the chances we get the actual one

[sudden lava]

Strixhaven though

Secrets of Strixhaven means return of the friends

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mtgsalvation_gamepedia/images/0/03/Arcavios_pests.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210619071701

Look at da babies! They are so cute and covered in spikes, they deserve a warm home and to be specially selected for sacrifices

[atomic harness]

Strixhaven is good too

[trail anvil]

I don't think high

[fallow citrus]

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vxTwitter / fixvx 💖 486 🔁 415 · Sep 24, 2025, 9:11 AM

huh neat

[subtle sierra]

What's that?

Banned card set?

[golden plover]

No shot there's only 1 in universe set next year

That'd be insane

[sudden lava]

2

ECL and Strixhaven

[golden plover]

That'd still be insane

75% of the year not being magic sets doesn't feel realistic