vivid hatch
U
1/3
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If an instant or sorcery card is revealed this way, exile it and transform this creature. Until the end of your turn, you may play that card.
Transformed:
3/1
Shadow
Whenever CARDNAME deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of that player’s library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
sounds balanced to me, print it into the next standard set 
glad peak
Too balanced, you should say if a card was revealed that way
Any card
Oh right it also happens to let you discard your reanimation targets
atomic harness
glad peak
Who thought it was a good idea to make reanimator into also the best tempo deck 
So turns out [[signal the clans]] exists
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glad peak
Reveal 3 creatures that do effectively the same thing
granite badge
Wow I am ass at drafting
gritty nest
If you’re sorting your collection alphabetically, would you put [[!The Prima Vista]] in T or P?
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waxen timber
T. Makes it more inline with spreadsheets if you use that to keep track of inventory
glad peak
A. if you utilize a database you're more likely to have an even amount of cards in each number
trail anvil
if you're tracking it digitally then yeah T, otherwise P
glad peak
you should track with [-1]
gritty nest
thanks guys
trail anvil
[[sami, wildcat captain]] has been so insanely fun as a commander, I love boros artifact storm
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Rogue
Double strike, vigilance
Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost 
less to cast for each artifact you control.)
"The hard way it is."
4/4
trail anvil
newgin has been busted with them, endstone has been busted with them, etc. free spells make me happy inside
glad peak
Have you considered Gerard
trail anvil
is that just double dipping on dies triggers and sac
glad peak
Pretty much
gritty nest
Newgin?
golden plover
Is [[Weapons Manufacturing]] the new roots? (cope card that's gonna be in 1000 bad brews)
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granite badge
Random encounter has been so fun to brew in standard
I have a good manabase now
Surveil + shock lands
Running 8x forestcycling bodies so consistency is through the roof
glad peak
I tried making weapons manufacturer work in erinis as that’s probably the most suitable one
Didnt work
Maybe Gerard will work better
sleek ferry
Is [[Weapons Manufacturing]] the new roots? (cope card that's gonna be in 1000 b...
Weapons manufacturer has less of a deckbuilding requirement than roots to make work
Do with that info as you will
tardy echo
Borderless glimmer alt arts for the daily deal for anyone who wants them
First time I ever read enduring friendship 
Tenacity cheaper than all the other ones because they know it’s the only one that wasn’t playable
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Legendary Planeswalker — Ugin
When you cast this spell, exile up to one target permanent that's one or more colors.
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, exile up to one target permanent that's one or more colors.
+2: You gain 3 life and draw a card.
0: Add 
.
−11: Search your library for any number of colorless nonland cards, exile them, then shuffle. Until end of turn, you may cast those cards without paying their mana costs.
Loyalty: 7
trail anvil
endstone, that, paradox engine (in brawl), aetherflux reservoir
it's really easy to storm off and you can reliably use colorless spells like [[kozilek's command]]
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Choose two —
• Target player creates X 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
• Target player scries X, then draws a card.
• Exile target creature with mana value X or less.
• Exile up to X target cards from graveyards.
fallow citrus
what a diverse meta
https://x.com/PlayMTG/status/1954631420397097356?t=KjGOkpfYZl418scZU3KGkw&s=19
X
golden plover
Guys I think Izzet Cauldron might be good
twilit canyon
maybe
fallow citrus
izzet?
twilit canyon
cauldron yeah
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
izzet sounding like is it
ik i was responding like is it? cauldron yeah
glad peak
No thats [[flubs]] and he izzet + green
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atomic harness
https://x.com/wildstwawberry/status/1954321765745959389?t=ohze1vkm2QbdBd_DjfdU8g...
Real
fallow citrus
gamba time
past socket
Flubbothy
gritty nest
it's really easy to storm off and you can reliably use colorless spells like [[k...
Yeah. I’m debating on reworking my list a bit. I tried fireball turbo
storm elbow
Wow, i didnt know alph was a member of mtggoldfish
glad peak
PRURBLEM?
golden plover
I was ahead of the game hating Vivi
Now that every event is all Vivi, everyone is on board lol
fallow citrus
if only rotation was 2 years instead
sleek ferry
if only rotation was 2 years instead
Karlov Manor was apparently the first set they designed with 3 year rotation in mind
Also, I hate using online only formats as examples, but see Alchemy with no Cauldron and Vivi perfectly legal, Vivi is not an issue there
Some of the arguments I'm seeing are downright stupid af. People going "Oh so we're going to ban a 2nd card for Vivi now?" As if Monstrous Rage wasn't going to get hit regardless
fallow citrus
Karlov Manor was apparently the first set they designed with 3 year rotation in ...
shame cauldron slipped through really
but yeah cauldron is 100% the issue in this deck, it becomes a lot more manageable without it
sleek ferry
the issue with the deck is literally that once you apply vivi's ability to anything that's not 0 power to start, it literally turns into fast mana
and regular removal isn't an option vs cauldron, you need cheap exiling removal
golden plover
I don't know, I think Vivi will still be a problem without cauldron down the line
I'm not sure I can say the same for cauldron without vivi
Unfortunately neither is gonna get hit until November
So get ready for another 3 more months of "Standard is flourishing"
fallow citrus
I think vivi will be a good card without cauldron but I don't think it would be this good
golden plover
Yeah that's fair. Vivi will probably be annoying with profts and stuff but it won't be unable to be stopped
Rn there's no winning since removing a Vivi just gives them a board of vivi
twilit canyon
its a problem with u/r not cauldron or vivi necessarily
golden plover
And it's not like you can choose to leave it alone
twilit canyon
blue-red has been the best color pair in magic for a reason
golden plover
I mean Vivi shouldn't have been designed that way
They mentioned he tapped in playtesting and they removed that to intentionally push him
twilit canyon
and the reason is the deck just does see way more cards
yeah but thats fine cards can be pushed and strong thats okay
golden plover
But also, he should have had prowess instead of counters
twilit canyon
what happens when you can guarantee see the cards you want?
golden plover
It's more in line for Izzet storm stuff to get a single turn of big pop off
And not being able to do the big pop off every turn
But it's not like they're gonna eratta him to prowess and tap now
twilit canyon
izzet decks are able to get infinite consistency bc they are far and away much better at seeing their cards than other decks
and the format is slow
like real slow
golden plover
So the solution is likely to just ban him and/or cauldron
twilit canyon
aggro is killing on turn 5-6 if that
these vivi decks can durdle forever
spin wheels and guarantee whatever cards are needed for the win
golden plover
Izzet is the issue at it's core yeah, with how much draw power and answers it's got rn, but they keep designing 2-3 mana cards that can turn cantrips into a whole board
So unless they ban like fomo, Tersa, profts, star chart, and every other good Izzet draw card (they won't) they need to keep hitting these problems
With more sets going into standard than ever, the ban window needs to be loosened up so this stops happening every banlist now too
sleek ferry
aggro is killing on turn 5-6 if that
unironically why I was so against hitting mono red so hard
golden plover
Without Izzet having must answer threats on t3-4, there's room for midrange, control, and aggro that can play around their bombs
twilit canyon
rage legal wouldnt help here though
golden plover
Yeah rage would just be in the Vivi deck, wouldn't answer it
sleek ferry
rage had to go regardless, I don't think you needed to hit hero though
twilit canyon
granted wild ride is better than rage for the deck
golden plover
They'd probably do a split of them ngl
twilit canyon
3/1
golden plover
Rage would give them another win avenue that isn't draconaut
twilit canyon
but yeah
sleek ferry
oh yeah, there is also gruul aggro that can kill on t3, but that deck dies to a single piece of removal
golden plover
Since it'd let a mako or a huge Vivi kill you after making 300 mana
I honestly don't know how you build around Vivi in a way to cleanly answer it rn
I think you don't ngl
Since shit like caretakers can have a high noon, RIP, and Starcage on board and still just die to a 15/15 mako
Dimir and Control eventually run out of counterspells
And like, cauldron can just dig for their torch the towers and flood maws whenever they're locked out
twilit canyon
you build to kill the deck before it can set up
or go above it
but you cant do either well rn
hmm how to put it
i've been playing the kona deck a lot recently
more of a reasonable version focused on the ramp plan
it does well
but
it can never really have the highs that it did
and that, is notable
golden plover
Yeah I've seen attempts to go above it and below, but there's really not enough aggro tools to get the kill beforehand
I've seen the Kona deck, might have a better shot than the overlord stuff
Since that all loses to the same boarded in cards Vivi does and they don't care about your Mistmoors if they're just gonna do 100 damage and make 50 guys
sleek ferry
a lot of it also has to do with EoE promoting a slower playstyle (within standard), as we don't have the actual tools to abuse some of the more broken cards in the set (pinnacle emmisary come to mind)
What's our next standard set again?
golden plover
Spiderman
All the reveals for spiderman so far have been slow as shit too
So I'm not sure we'll see an answer there
But even the 3 cleanest answers don't really do it
sleek ferry
spiderman is straight to modern no?
sleek ferry
oh wow, here I was ignoring the spiderman stuff because I figured it wouldn't concern me
no wonder I was reading these cards and wondering why none of these cards were modern playable
golden plover
I mean tbf none of them are standard playable either lol
fallow citrus
oh wow, here I was ignoring the spiderman stuff because I figured it wouldn't co...
I'd keep ignoring them they suck
sleek ferry
punk spider seemed the best so far?
golden plover
For sure
tardy echo
sigh why does red have to be my most hated color
I hate mono red but other reds are cool
golden plover
And he's like fine
sleek ferry
I hate mono red but other reds are cool
mono red goblins is a cool deck in current standard
tardy echo
I think most aggro decks are pretty bitch made
Imo though I’m not sure what the common sentiment is towards draw spells but stock up is just an absurdly broken card
sleek ferry
mastering an aggro deck is unironically the best way to get better at the game
tardy echo
I know how to play aggro doesn’t mean I want to
sleek ferry
Do you though 
subtle sierra
I hate mono red but other reds are cool
i'm mostly fine with other aspects of red, mostly the draw stuff
tardy echo
Do you though <:clearly:1247706297491656795>
Yes 
I would’ve cooked you kids with csc if they didn’t take it from me so soon
subtle sierra
just like i hate green, but i love ramp and artifact/enchantment killing
tardy echo
Sometimes mono green is cool sometimes it sucks
Normally I think mono blue is pretty boring
tardy echo
Actually rephrase I think basically all mono colors are pretty boring
tardy echo
Only thing I despise is landfall decks tbh
Based
subtle sierra
mono blue is boring to me too
but mostly cause it has no good removal
only mono colors i like are white and black
cause they feel more complete than the other 3
sleek ferry
mono white rn is pretty good
tardy echo
But mono white is just bleh
sleek ferry
This is peak gameplay right here
tardy echo
Caretakers/elspeth and friends is as close as it gets to an interesting gameplan for me
sleek ferry
I love it when my speed ticks 4
tardy echo
Speed is such a funny mechanic
twilit canyon
true
sleek ferry
well I'm done for the day, 10 ranked games, 9-1 record
sleek ferry
@golden plover let me show you the latest version of mono white I've been working on
Unsure on the land base for now, I’m back and forth on whether this wants caretaker or not, amount of removal feels right though
glad peak
Imagine thinking aggro isn’t based
fallow citrus
start your engines might be the most made for standard mechanic ever
what about day and night
sleek ferry
what about day and night
there's two things in life we don't talk about; we don't talk about day and night as a mechanic, and we don't talk about bruno
sleek ferry
this mono white deck feels so crazy now that I'm actually playing it
haliya is a crazy card
fallow citrus
[[haliya guided by light]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever Haliya or another creature or artifact you control enters, you gain 1 life.
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card if you've gained 3 or more life this turn.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/3
sleek ferry
I'm doing some disgusting things to this life gain player rn
fallow citrus
don't worry wait until the next commander legends set where they make warp from command zone
sleek ferry
I've literally bounced [[spring loaded sawblades]] 6 times already
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Artifact — Vehicle
Tap two other untapped artifacts you control: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.
Crew 1 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 1 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
5/5
glad peak
They don’t have suspend from command zone yet
fallow citrus
yet
sleek ferry
you can also create an infintie resource loop with 2 kirins + any 1 mana drop
Literally unpunished
golden plover
Fuck it, I guess I'm crafting cauldron since I'll get my wildcards back in November
Tier 0 time
lusty trench
That tea time set is so good
zinc shard
Festival in a Box: 2025 Atlanta cards
tardy echo
Spaghetti junction…
zinc shard
subtle sierra
morally correct vivi...
zinc shard
lusty trench
THE UNDERMINER!
copper pecan
goes infinite with [[terrisere, moon dancer]]
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copper pecan
glad peak
That sandbagging bastard
golden plover
Waiting for my friends to get here for board game night and just listened to the world's most pubstomper playing pubstomp urza explain to his friends how he won the game (he didn't, he misplayed multiple cards in the explanation)
His combo involved umbral mantle, WAR Karn, everflowing chalice, and some artifact that he turned into a creature to ping everyone for one??.
Like bro, just play basalt monolith
glad peak
Better yet, don’t play bad cards in urza
golden plover
I mean if you're playing that urza you're playing bad cards
sudden lava
gritty nest
I’m building slivers
sudden lava
Got confirmation my LGS EoE Commander Party is on the 21st, gotta pick what deck to bring that day
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sudden lava
Yes do the sliver biologist
gritty nest
Got confirmation my LGS EoE Commander Party is on the 21st, gotta pick what deck...
You trying to win or meme?
sudden lava
You trying to win or meme?
I mean I've won with almost all these decks.
(Quina is the exception because they are still very fresh, the newest deck)
But yeah trying to win
https://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/commander-party-edge-of-eternities details on the commander party rules for EoE here
gritty nest
Pearl-Ear or Bumbleflower, and swap to light paws if you want to be extra sure if winning with pearl ear deck
sudden lava
gotcha
gritty nest
Mono W fast Voltron can catch most people off guard, one tap someone by turn 3 then go after the rest
It’s nuts
I’ve got a super budget tifa deck that popped off once and cleaned the table by turn 6. I got extremely lucky with that hand though
gritty nest
https://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/commander-party-edge-of-eternities details on t...
This looks fun ngl
sudden lava
And I assume Bumbleflower because I can give something flying to take a planet/use the planet as a political resource?
gritty nest
And also because you can work to fly under the radar by being the group hug player
sudden lava
Very true
stark skiff
lol I just remade my Bumbleflower deck
subtle sierra
excuse me what
stark skiff
buddy asked me to help him build up his Alela deck. This is what I brewed up. Any suggestions?
glad peak
Thoracle consult 
golden plover
Dude the cauldron mirror sucks so much
There's literally no skill to it. It's who got their cauldron first
Might as well flip a fucking coin
Usually at least tier 0 decks have interesting mirrors. But this one feels like it's 100% decided by opening hand
Was losing G2, saw my cauldron, immediately had 300 mana and all the draws in the world and took it. They were at 3 life in G3, they saw a cauldron and immediately had a full board with haste
sleek ferry
Slight update on the list, I forgot sheltered with ghosts is just broken with Haliya
The fact that pinnacle starcage has that 8 mana ability is so dumb btw, it’s so good
steady onyx
how are frogs in standard or something similar
ot temur
or anything like that
i pulled 3 breeding pools from my eoe pre
so i kinda wanna paly some simic thing
and I did a bloomburrow draft with friends and got some frog cards
tardy echo
There’s a temur deck in standard but it’s kind of memey combo
There’s a few pretty good simic decks revolving around landfall stuff with [[genemorph imago]]
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tardy echo
And [[orobouroid]]
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steady onyx
oh
i also pulled 2 of those from my eoe prerelease
might go twoards that
i dont like memey combos personally
but i like landfall I thikn
ill look into the landfall deck thanks cake
sleek ferry
Best interaction I've found so far is bouncing your warp cards back for infinite value
sleek ferry
In 1 turn I just went warp shepherd into add pixie, bounce shepherd, into warp shepherd, add pixie, into bounce shepherd, warp shepherd, add lightstall
sleek ferry
Eyyyy lessons are back
golden plover
Smh the last line should be 6
subtle sierra
holy lesson
golden plover
Neat it is a haiku tho
subtle sierra
is avatar standard legal?
golden plover
Yup
subtle sierra
i liked lessons a lot
i think the card is trying to be a haiku with it's text
not that i know how they look
copper pecan
Smh the last line should be 6
haikus are 5-7-5
hidden ermine
Yeah but in that episode Sokka messes up and does 5-7-6
fallow citrus
X
subtle sierra
shrines 
storm elbow
I like that zukos thing is things returning from exile
subtle sierra
oh yeah that is a good one
also izzet artifact stuff gets sokka
and it looks like he's pretty decent
tersa for less mana that doesn't have haste but grows
if he wasn't cast and was enter he'd be nuts
zinc shard
"Learn" will not be in this set
subtle sierra
zinc shard
there will be cards that care about "Lessons"
zinc shard
copper pecan
when the
subtle sierra
https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1955242564149276997?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
no adagia
the card is kinda crazy if you run seam rip and overlord
subtle sierra
if you open overlord i'd say it's even worth to just station for 3 turns and then copy overlord instead of pressuring with 6 damage
zinc shard
gritty nest
I heard someone say they might make wish effects work in commander. I’m low key hoping not
zinc shard
Ozai does not fit Red. He's not impulsive.
storm elbow
Ozai is a very stereotypical black card yea
subtle sierra
ik but muh color...
lusty trench
Ozai should only be red when hes on the backfoot
Like azula when truly on the backfoot he becomes very unstable
stark skiff
firebending being only during combat is interesting
sudden lava
Ok these mechanics are goated
sudden lava
I heard someone say they might make wish effects work in commander. I’m low key ...
Learn is not in the set
Strixhaven is next year tho
gritty nest
Then why even include lesson?
sudden lava
time to figure out how to make this work
glad peak
Surely there’s a 3 card combo for this for bracket 2
stark skiff
sudden lava
Also thespian stage reprint is nearly guaranteed
stark skiff
twilit canyon
force of negation in timeless the format will finally be playable again
sleek ferry
waterbending is the most boring of the new mechanics
by far
it's literally just convoke
earthbending and airbending are by far the most interesting
firebending is thematically accurate which is cool
stark skiff
it's literally just convoke
yea im not impressed
stark skiff
firebending is thematically accurate which is cool
but yeah this is dope
glad peak
Oh toph is pretty interesting
Simultaneously anti non-land hate and also an easy way to tap things like the orbs
subtle sierra
welcome back, environmental studies
subtle sierra
is it just me or this is really good
sleek ferry
This guy thinks people don’t rule 0 shit like this in all the time
glad peak
Rule 0? More like skill level 0
copper pecan
it's literally just convoke
it's not
convoke is for the mana cost of the card. waterbending is for activated abilities
stark skiff
is it just me or this is really good
i really like this card too lol
sleek ferry
convoke is for the mana cost of the card. waterbending is for activated abilitie...
this actually makes it even more boring
copper pecan
in what way
subtle sierra
i don't think it's particularly boring, but it feels a little less exciting than the other 3
for me at least
copper pecan
it feels more exciting to me than earthbending which is just awaken again
sudden lava
it's literally just convoke
its better then convoke
You can tap down artifacts for waterbending
lusty trench
They explain whats in a commanders bundle?
sudden lava
they didnt explain it or show it on stream lmao
BUT
its in the collecting article
@lusty trench
zinc shard
Oh so it's just a bundle that replaces one of the regular packs with a collector
lusty trench
Oh so they renamed gift bundles
sudden lava
Btw Im likely going to make a Jumpstart Cube
golden plover
Oh so they renamed gift bundles
Gift Bundle, but comes with a click wheel. $20 more
glad peak
So toph is also recursion if earthbending an artifact
steady onyx
also do any decks use burgeoning
i pulled a realy nice copy i wanna uise
but idk if its worth
lusty trench
Pretty good in most green decks but especially low cost landfall shells
steady onyx
Pretty good in most green decks but especially low cost landfall shells
like the simic landfall shit?
lusty trench
Ye
glad peak
Wait huh? [[burgeoning]]
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trail anvil
Simultaneously anti non-land hate and also an easy way to tap things like the or...
she doesn't give them the ability to tap for mana
trail anvil
is it just me or this is really good
eh I think it's decent
I like the back side but it has to survive that many turns
fallow citrus
this avatar set is quite funny to me
gritty nest
Because spider man hasn’t released or?
fallow citrus
the reception to this compared to other UB sets just confirms that like
people just don't like UB when they aren't connected to the IP but looove UB when they are
and not like "oh I don't like this set bc I'm not interested in it" but like opposed to UB as a concept unless it's pandering to them
gritty nest
People are hypocrites
trail anvil
idk like I still think the art is jarring and I love avatar, but as long as they're gonna print interesting cards I'm gonna play them
rigid scarab
and not like "oh I don't like this set bc I'm not interested in it" but like opp...
Idk I should have loved the Jurassic Park UB but forget it exists
Maybe I just haven’t been given “the one” yet
glad peak
I love spiderman but some of the art looked weird ngl
I was mostly happy with final fantasy though
sudden lava
Bought a thing yep
subtle sierra
Is it tho?
twilit canyon
this doesnt do anything for bats
rigid scarab
Commander player (derogatory) card evaluation
glad peak
Hey you got to it before I did
glad peak
Commander deserves it 
past socket
I didn’t have a problem with what Misty said
Sickle just didn’t need to just be insulting to others for a format they enjoy.
subtle sierra
I don't see how that it insults players tbh, just that they tend to think that just slapping random synergies to cards help decks like that
I personally find statements like "bats fly therefore this helps" stupid and calling them commander brained is fair imo
rigid scarab
Hey you got to it before I did <:NyanGun:737367109805408306>
Fastest slanderer in the west
Not telling everyone that like
No you are stupid for wanting to put cards in a deck and not playing the most optimal color combination
But like the imo unironic claim that Momo is going to elevate Bats because it has "Bat" in its type and does mediocre stuff with flying is just blatantly wrong?
Well it's blatantly wrong in edh and I think just regular wrong in standard
subtle sierra
I think blatantly wrong in standard is fine too
This neither heals nor damages, nor progresses their gameplay in any way besides making a single bat per turn cost 1 less
Which isn't much
If it wasn't opt maybe, but even then, oh no my zoraline is cheaper now
The aggro buff is also meh since most of your spam comes from the enchant and it's after combat
If it got counters, maybe
Then it would actually be a very decent card
rigid scarab
idk ig it's a little distasteful?
Because Summer is very vocally hyped for this set
subtle sierra
Ngl it didn't feel like they're that excited to me
rigid scarab
I looked at her messages during the set reveals
She was bored at the Tarkir announcement
And exploded at the ATLA reveal
rigid scarab
I mean I hope me saying that "I think that's a very commander-coded way to evaluate cards" doesn't mean an attack on her person
But
subtle sierra
As a mod i personally have no issue with the comment
rigid scarab
I can be whoever I wanna be
Even a legacy grinder?
(I've literally only played edh and pioneer)
tardy echo
Edh player (derogatory)
steady onyx
Edh player (derogatory)
cedh is cool tho
normal edh isnt competetive enough
so its socialy weird to me
tardy echo
Actually no version of that format is cool I regret to say
tardy echo
And I think edh only becomes worse when you optimize it
As seen with certain incidents that occurred this year even
steady onyx
idfk what happened but my issue with edh is that there is no like good way to be playing at the same level with a want to win theg ame
most people just wanna play and get off their cool combo
so they rarely interact or hold interaction untill too late and games just become weird
but thats been my experience
rigid scarab
As seen with certain incidents that occurred this year even
We do not talk about the 13 hour turn
tardy echo
No I definitely will be talking about the 13 hour turn
rigid scarab
Shucks
tardy echo
When we’re going to yap about competitive integrity of a format I will most certainly mention how that was the pinnacle of exactly why commander was designed to be a casual game first and foremost
rigid scarab
normal edh isnt competetive enough
You need to treat EDH like a board game more than an MTG format
tardy echo
And it doesn’t help that 83.7% of cedh players are jackals (also a demonstrated facet of the 13 hour turn)
steady onyx
You need to treat EDH like a board game more than an MTG format
ig
rigid scarab
Or I guess the analogy is better set with tabletop games in general
past socket
Just in the pod to do silly things and have a good time
rigid scarab
Ok ykw if Im dunking on casual Im dunking on this too
"Lmao thoracle consult" is not a mark of superiority
tardy echo
You constantly talk about hating commander yet maybe it’s because the only thing you do is thoracle people
glad peak
Ok ykw if Im dunking on casual Im dunking on this too
Bruh I’m on your side lmao
Also casual players talk about how they wanna just do their thing but their thing is just thoracle consult with extra steps
atomic harness
My friend quit commander @glad peak @twilit canyon
Sadly not the stax killing kingmaker but the other blue guy 
glad peak
is he playing another format now?
hopefully a format where counterspelling a win condition isn't taboo?
atomic harness
Thank you Mr marang
twilit canyon
flusterstorm on the stack
atomic harness
Fuwisty is the storm enchantment frog card any good in cedh or too expensive?
tardy echo
Flusterstorm your flusterstorm
glad peak
mindbreak trap say what
atomic harness
Fuwisty is the storm enchantment frog card any good in cedh or too expensive?
should that just be dress down?
lusty trench
Fuwisty is the storm enchantment frog card any good in cedh or too expensive?
Amphibian downpour bad
Dress down good
rigid scarab
Also casual players talk about how they wanna just do their thing but their thin...
Uh this is precisely why I'm not exactly on your side though
I get part of your persona is hating casual edh but sometimes it does get kinda annoying
glad peak
true
rigid scarab
idk
steady onyx
flusterstorm on the stack
HELLO MISTY!!
trail anvil
what the fuck that's busted lmao
trail anvil
We do not talk about the 13 hour turn
again I still don't understand how this happens
in any real competitive format slow play gets called at the minute mark
copper pecan
the guy who did it was a youtuber who was popular in the edh sphere and people were afraid to call him out on it
trail anvil
obviously you need some politicking but fucking how
maybe now they'll be less afraid now that he's known for the infamous 13 hour turn
glad peak
Tbh politicking in cedh has gotten out of control
A lot of people went to cedh to stop the whole politicking and complaining about people not dealing with the opponent’s stuff and now we’re right back to it
trail anvil
tournament edh is clearly a mistake for many reasons but if you're doing it at least use the damn judge though
glad peak
Same guy also was complaining people were going too slow and that he needed to take a flight iirc
For a format made for bored and sleepy judges I’m surprised they didn’t strictly judge that game, should’ve been stopped a long time ago
trail anvil
what do you even talk about for that long
glad peak
he was contesting every spell cast and trying to get his opponents to target something else or get someone to counter something or tell someone to waste their counterspell on each other
while berating people if they didn't comply
copper pecan
did he think that people would just be fine with this?
his reputation is in the dumpster now
glad peak
guess he did since he did it
trail anvil
was it a fucking combo turn
glad peak
nope
literally open gamestates multiple times
i haven't watched the entire thing but i wouldn't be surprised if he started yelling at someone for not paying for rhystic
golden plover
That feels really strong, but also another tacked on "perpetual"
Other than the not revealing lands part (which functionally doesn't matter) there's plenty of paper versions of this effect where it just exiles
glad peak
So I was building for bracket 2 and realized I can’t have more than 2 banishing light variants because it’s a 2 card combo
golden plover
What
glad peak
Well, not literally banishing light but similar effects that can target your own thing
golden plover
Oh I see
trail anvil
wouldn't you still need infinite mana
glad peak
Nope just enough to pay for 2 of the effects
trail anvil
I feel like I'm missing something
trail anvil
if you do 3 then I guess you could do some kind of permanent etb loop, but then you need a payoff too lol
honestly if you infinite combo with 3 banishing lights and an etb payoff then pop off queen
trail anvil
yeah that seems a lot more intentional lol
glad peak
I know most people will say no but would a 2 card infinite that does nothing to the board be ok
For bracket 2 at least lol
trail anvil
I mean what's the purpose
glad peak
Just an excuse to be able to put Ashaya into erinis street urchin creature combo trash pile
Ashaya has a bunch of 3 card combos that win the game and a couple 2 card combos that just plays and bounces the same creature over and over and over again
trail anvil
which combos are you using
glad peak
Bunch of the kodama ones and the woodlands analyst safekeeper one
Dryad + nantuko + lotus cobra too
sleek ferry
A lot of people went to cedh to stop the whole politicking and complaining about...
The only people who actually thought this would stop politicking are anti social people
Politicking is a part of edh, Cedh is no exception. It’s also a needed skill to be good at the game
If you don’t have it than oh well
glad peak
True but a lot of people say their reasoning for moving to cedh is because they wanted to get away from that and then it came right back to it
Pretty funny how that turns out to be a good way to actually play the game
sleek ferry
It’s all table dependent anyways, there’s some tables where politicking is literally useless
copper pecan
That feels really strong, but also another tacked on "perpetual"
dude you say this about almost every perpetual card
if they wanted to do this in paper they wouldn't be doing it as a digital only card in the first place
it seems pretty clear to me that your problem with this is not that it isn't taking enough advantage of digital design space and more that you're objecting to the existence of alchemy cards at all
sudden lava
She was bored at the Tarkir announcement
though I did with time eventually get into Tarkir (Even went to prerelease for it with a clan I wanted to play). Though can't the same for Spider-Man because while I have enjoyed Marvel stuff I am not big on the Spider-Man stuff.
But yeah extremely excited for Avatar.
Like the only Spider-Man I can see me picking up at this moment is the Spider Pig for my silly Quina deck as a cheap board buff that can make a frog and food token.
trail anvil
jesus christ I have literally not gotten a game on the play in this MWM
I wouldn't mind so much if I actually found one of my 13 removal spells 😭
gritty nest
the guy who did it was a youtuber who was popular in the edh sphere and people w...
I hate shit like this
gritty nest
he was contesting every spell cast and trying to get his opponents to target som...
Who was the YouTuber btw if you know?
glad peak
i don't think he was a youtuber
gritty nest
Regardless, fuck the dude for wasting 13 hours
glad peak
oh, golden sabertooth
11 hr game
10+ minutes per game action
and something i forgot, at the same time a known cheater won a 10k
gritty nest
Yeah no cEDH events are cooked
glad peak
eh the cheater thing happens in a lot of games
but the 10+ min one is just horrid
speaking of, did you know mr burdencheaty is a poker player now
(alex bertoncini, if you didn't know who i was referring to btw)
gritty nest
I don’t know Alex in general tbh
glad peak
Oh he’s infamous
Banned in all mtg events
As for poker, there’s a clip of him folding a hand and immediately grabbing the person next to him’s hand and play that
past socket
Just cheated constantly in ways that out of context would just look sloppy iirc
As much as others brought up how often his “misplays” just benefitted him consistently
glad peak
There’s those cheats and some that are more discrete
Pretty sure he created a couple methods
Wait wtf he won a wsop event???
lusty trench
takes the chair from under the winning player, immediately places it back down in front of the now fallen winning player and sits in his spot
"Wow idk how but im doing so good"
glad peak
Never mind he just played in a couple
Those buy ins are expensive af
1500 for a basic event if you don’t play the main format
gritty nest
Sounds ass
lusty trench
Iirc wsop games are more about the prestige than the take home
glad peak
nah, the main event is but the rest is pretty good to grind if you're a high roller
they're not the biggest tournament games you can play but for the average person it's the biggest tournament they can enter (there are some tournament buy ins for 1m)
been building bracket 3 ezuri (claw of progress) for my gf because she likes the alt art and wow there's so many 2 card infinites
i can't put in so many cards because they randomly go infinite with the commander or something else in the deck
sleek ferry
I saw this list and was going to tag you
subtle sierra
God vivi is so much cancer can we ban her already
Fuck cauldron vivi is the problem
broken fjord
Vivi is a boy. Just throwing that out there.
copper pecan
he's just a little guy
last glen
something something is a girl's name
subtle sierra
Vivi is a boy. Just throwing that out there.
Oh he is?
broken fjord
Yup. There is a scene where he and Zidane piss over a cliff to bond. So, definitely a boy.
rigid scarab
How is that your source
trail anvil
he's just a little guy
got into too much mischief
trail anvil
How is that your source
it's just a guy thing totally
broken fjord
That's even Zidane's explanation. A ritual between dudes.
9's a great game with a decent amount of silliness. Like how Vivi's adopted father is a Qu. He was raising Vivi to eat him. Very profound.
glad peak
You haven’t done that with your homies?
golden plover
Hitting a Synth player with [[Ultima]] feels insanely good
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fallow citrus
my locals has a dead mtg scene
look at the events list for a locals in the city over
no modern, only standard and commander and pauper is on a day I can't go
guess I'll die
glad peak
Washington? 
golden plover
Hey at least y'all run pauper lol
fallow citrus
you could not have got that more wrong if you tried
not even the same side of the globe
glad peak
Nah tho when I visit family there the only formats they play are those lmao
golden plover
I'm in the biggest city in my state and we don't have a single LGS doing pauper
fallow citrus
idk how many players it actually gets so it might like be a 4 person locals
or they might just have it on their event list and don't run it anymore but haven't updated it
golden plover
My main one does standard once a week, two commander nights because of course, and a draft every other week
There's one store that does modern in the city
And one that did pioneer but they stopped recently
golden plover
I just don't get why they have two commander nights
glad peak
Makes a lot of money
golden plover
I mean, I get why
glad peak
People come out to it
golden plover
But throw a modern night in there or something
glad peak
Maybe they tried getting interest in modern but nah
golden plover
At least they're good about other games tho
They've also got board game night on Monday, and Altered and One Piece on Wednesday
glad peak
Or something that happened in a store nearby (which has a huge modern scene in a store right next door)
They offered modern at the same time as commander and commander pushed them out so no more modern at that store
golden plover
I think they're doing Gundam on Thursdays? But that's a bandai game so it's anyone's guess how long that'll live
fallow citrus
my actual locals literally just does commander rn it's awful
like 5 people play standard
I wish they did pauper on another day at that other lgs because I would love to actually get to play it instead of standard
glad peak
Commander is awful but in laws and some coworkers only play that so 
golden plover
I just wish the push for 60 card formats was going better
Unfortunately there's not a lot of confidence in standard rn irl around here
glad peak
Gf’s getting into it now with an ezuri deck I’m building her and expanding past our bloomburrow battlebox
fallow citrus
I don't miind commander because some of my friends want to play it but I really wish I could play actual 60 card mtg
glad peak
There’s a big push being planned in my region for cube which is exciting
fallow citrus
I would play on arena but every deck needs like 30 rare wildcards
golden plover
According to staff, half the standard players stopped showing up at my LGS because of the format/price/and Vivi Cauldron rn
Turns out a lot of people don't wanna spend $800 to play the only deck that can compete
glad peak
Funny enough, one of my friends plays standard and loves that there aren’t many players anymore because “it decreases competition and I get to win the prize”
The prize is 70% of total buy ins
golden plover
A guy I sorta know at the lgs said he's doing the same thing for promos
Since there's less players he's guaranteed a promo usually
But like, surely none of those are worth $800 lol
Yeah the squall is only $50 lol
glad peak
I love it when some of the stores nearby do big promos for top 8 and the event is an 8 max draft
Get to have some actual fun and I get guaranteed promo
golden plover
He's gotta win 16 Squalls to break even on Vivi Cauldron
Not counting buy ins for the events lol
glad peak
My friend is still playing an old deck from before final fantasy and gets decent results because no one is buying the best decks
Would love to go spike it but there’s no incentive for me to
golden plover
I wanna buy into paper standard but even a weaker deck is like $400
And that's just too much money lol
glad peak
I would have to spike the event for 3 months or so to get the same payout for a decent run at Modern
The prize pool is like 70-80% of buy ins and generally loaded for top 4-6
golden plover
Yeah unless I'm really into store credit I don't think I can spike for much here either
Outside of the bigger events, most of the prize pool is packs/store credit
And I'm not too attached to either
glad peak
When I seriously grinded modern I would hoard store credit then go to commander night to sell commander players staples with my credit for their cash
Some discount of course, otherwise why would they
i miss gps
i should go to one again but i don't think i can get the same event volume/turnout as before
atomic harness
glad peak
Gonna visit an old lgs that I used to go to a lot today, theyre advertising cube night
Took a look at their discord and I only see commander conversation and how the combo in that final fantasy precon is cedh??? Yeah I really hope cube fires today
atomic harness
What 
granite badge
My local scene has 2 commander nights right after each other(thur/fri) and then pre-release/draft for new sets and thats it
glad peak
I saw someone posting that the nuka cola vending machine card should be a game changer because it combos???
What?
granite badge
Used to be a tiny modern scene here but zero support lol
glad peak
Anyways I’m probably gonna go and if cube doesn’t fire then I’ll try to buy as many of the cards I can for ezuri and erinis
The chat in question
golden plover
God I'm so sick of Vivi but he's not getting banned until November (when they ban cauldron, not him)
Really cool how you can have them under RIP and counter anything they play and they'll still just use Proft's and a FOMO to beat you to death
atomic harness
We need to kill cauldron
golden plover
Cauldron isn't the issue ngl
glad peak
Tbh there’s another deck with Vivi that’s likely to be one of the top decks so Vivi is the play
golden plover
It's 100% Vivi
Cauldron is a fair janky card without vivi
Without cauldron, Vivi still has t4 random kills and is just one of the most frustrating cards to deal with
glad peak
He’s… mid
golden plover
Mono-Red is arguably the worst color you can be in commander
atomic harness
How come magda keeps winning our cedh pods
golden plover
Ragavan is fine in the 99, but you're crippling yourself hard to be in mono-red
Magda is an exception and not the rule
atomic harness
Muck fagda
glad peak
So he fits almost everything you want in a commander in that you get a mana dork turn 1 every game and cheap so you turn on your deflecting swat cards but he’s only in red so he’s bad
glad peak
Yep, poggy roggy does the second part and you can probably make your deck consistently have turn 1 mana plays with another color
golden plover
There's a reason I built [[Tannuk Steadfast Second]] as a casual deck even though he's got a crazy ability
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glad peak
The other tannuk is actually crazy though
golden plover
Yeah he is
This Tannuk is just way more fun
I got to live the dream of a t3 blightsteel the other night
Took a player out immediately
T1 nox diamond, mountain, sol ring into t2 Tannuk into t3 blightsteel was funny as fuck
copper pecan
glad peak
Oh hey it’s just [[quench]]
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last glen
I guess the Lesson part gives you "It'll" and "Ya!" as a bonus
zinc shard
golden plover
[[Heartless Act]] is back. Clearly they're giving us answers to Vivi /s
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steady onyx
[[Heartless Act]] is back. Clearly they're giving us answers to Vivi /s
which means they arent gonna touch it 🙃
glad peak
Remember what wotc’s reasoning to not ban the one ring was
golden plover
"Guys we put heartless Act and the other one in the format. Get over it and don't worry about Vivi"
copper pecan
this could potentially be meta relevant in pauper since it's the first common red savannah lions without a downside
glad peak
Would’ve been absurd in standard 20 years ago
copper pecan
[[jackal pup]] in shambles
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steady onyx
is there something I could replace the bills with for now?
or do u need them to get the counters rolling
golden plover
Bull isn't vital to the deck, but you really do want them
glad peak
Maybe more curiosities so you can accelerate into more gas but there’s a reason why theyre so expensive
golden plover
I'm not sure what you could run in the slot instead
glad peak
Very good bomb
steady onyx
hwbout 1 bill 1 more cat for now and then get the second bill later? would that be playable
glad peak
Sure, cat’s just good because you can get more cards this way which hopefully makes up for the loss in raw power from bill
sudden lava
SUKI!
sudden lava
Panda located
subtle sierra
they should have scooped earlier
tbf they killed the small tokens but 4 overlords
sudden lava
Ok so the Jasmine dragon definitely has a mono white Suki. It's her or Sokka, and all the Sokka cards so far include blue
Where all the Kyoshi warrior cards we've seen include white
sudden lava
oh right shoot
well it's in the tutorial deck so 😅 maybe doesnt count?
(I just hope that isnt the only Suki Legendary we get an all)
glad peak
that's rough buddy
lapis viper
How playable is ragavan as a commander <@149916954331709440> <:ICANT:92250322824...
I wouldn't play him in the command zone
lapis viper
Also henlo Rennethy
glad peak
Nice, broodscale might be one of the only non-cantrip cards that actually saw play in every format
Actually don’t know for sure if it sees play in vintage but it can be very easily done
Compact and scales with mana and if you get it through you win the game
stark skiff
https://vxtwitter.com/YawgGoth/status/1956137203597500549
There’s no Eldrazis in Ba Sing Se
sleek ferry
I'm legitly just going to call anybody that thinks Vivi is the issue over cauldron bad
it's the only solution
golden plover
Cauldron without vivi won't do shit tho
Vivi without cauldron will continue to be a problem
You wanna ban Proft's too?
Since that's the only way to keep Vivi from being an issue without cauldron
sleek ferry
Go ahead and use logic as to what makes Vivi Cauldron strong
golden plover
I mean, obviously cauldron is the enabler
sleek ferry
If you think Vivi by itself is an issue, than you must have wanted Sheoldred banned also
golden plover
But they fucking side out cauldron in half their MUs
They're fine playing a slower deck with an explosive turn post-board
sleek ferry
you side out cauldron because your opponent's are literally forced to side in gy hate because cauldron exists lol
or artifact hate
golden plover
Cauldron going would slow down the deck a lot but it wouldn't be enough
There's just not enough good removal in standard rn
sleek ferry
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Vivi being a strong card that can win the game if it sticks
golden plover
It shouldn't be that on t3 tho
You shouldn't have to answer a card or die on 3 in standard
That exact philosophy is what killed Hearthfire Hero
sleek ferry
Cauldron's existence of invalidating removal is what makes Vivi oppressive, and you just throw in Vivi's ability on an actual body that matters
golden plover
So if they're consistent with their own ban philosophy, Vivi has to go
But of course they won't be and they'll ban cauldron in November
Or even worse they'll hit us with a "keeping an eye on the format"
Cauldron dying would make the deck not tier 0 at least
So I'll take it
But Vivi dying would be the better option for standard
sleek ferry
Banning Cauldron is the correct move. The limits to which Vivi can be taken to are capped. Cauldron has infinite potential and there's a reason why cauldron is coming up as an issue in other formats also
meanwhile vivi is literally a tier 2-3 deck in pioneer, and shit everywhere else
golden plover
I mean, either hit helps a lot
I just think cauldron on its own in standard is fine
Roots doesn't need to die for the sins of vivi lol
sleek ferry
Cauldron existing literally limits your card design lol
golden plover
I mean, maybe there just shouldn't be 0 mana mana abilities
Turns out that space has consistently been a problem lol
We literally had this exact issue last year too, wild they keep forgetting that when things cost 0 they're broken
sleek ferry
comparing nadu to vivi is the biggest rage bait ever
golden plover
I mean, they're not on the same page but the reason they're issues is exactly the same
Both are cards that were over designed for commander, ignoring the format they were designed for
And both are cards that made a format have a tier 0 deck because of it
Obviously Nadu was way worse and way stronger
But maybe they shouldn't overtune commander cards that aren't going straight to commander
sleek ferry
Nadu had multiple ways to go infinite, outside of shuko and he didn't need to be enabled, he was the enabler (we'll also ignore the fact that as the format went on, nadu's rep also started falling off a cliff)
golden plover
Gavin outright said that Vivi's original design tapped and locked you into one more spell for the turn, but they thought that wasn't fun enough for commander and that's why Vivi is the way he is
sleek ferry
Cauldron meanwhile IS the enabler in izzet, because removing Vivi is actually better for you
golden plover
There's definitely differences in the two cards
But both were made a problem for the same reason: a card designed for commander being too strong elsewhere
If Vivi had prowess and tapped he'd be fine
But that wasn't exciting enough so he's got the counters and his thing is free
sleek ferry
Even in your commander example, Vivi is also just mid in cedh, while nadu was literally on its way to being a top 3 commander before it got banned
golden plover
Oh nah I'm aware Vivi is much worse in commander than Nadu
But they didn't design him to be a cedh commander
Gavin literally says he's as pushed as he is because they wanted him to be a popular commander
And he's the 3rd most popular one from the main set
They don't care about cedh power level
copper pecan
if vivi had prowess and tapped he'd be kinda awful ngl
either one of those nerfs would be fine but both at once would make him unplayable
golden plover
Nah, he'd still be very strong with prowess and tapping
Honestly, the original idea was totally fine too
Having him only let you cast one more spell
It'd incentivize playing big X spells or something
But again, he lost that because they felt it wasn't interesting enough in the command zone
gritty nest
I think they should just ban standard
trail anvil
I feel like he'd still be a popular commander nerfed, now dude's just annoying lol
trail anvil
Banning Cauldron is the correct move. The limits to which Vivi can be taken to a...
what was it doing in standard before vivi
I feel like I saw it in a few roots piles and that's about it
sleek ferry
what was it doing in standard before vivi
the argument isn't whether Vivi or Cauldron is the better card. Vivi is clearly a better standalone card, but as I said, Vivi has a lower ceiling than Cauldron. Cauldron is a design mistake, that will either get banned in most formats or limit card design going forward
trail anvil
huge fuckin disagree, cauldron on its own has been fine. I think it still still be fine but vivi is a design mistake and a half
copper pecan
i feel like transferring activated abilities is dangerous design space to explore
sudden lava
Got given these 2 for free from one of my opponents today
gritty nest
Eat them
sleek ferry
huge fuckin disagree, cauldron on its own has been fine. I think it still still ...
Vivi is literally not doing a single thing in any other format. Cauldron is at the very least seeing play in Yawgmoth in modern, Cephalid Breakfast in Legacy, even some nadu lists are on it
Vivi's ceiling will always be tied to the craziest cantrip they can possibly print
sudden lava
That Lightning can go brutal with Tifa 👀
tardy echo
Vivi is literally not doing a single thing in any other format. Cauldron is at t...
Legacy has a deck named cephalid breakfast
copper pecan
legacy decks have weird names
tardy echo
Can I ask why it’s called that
trail anvil
named after cheerios, which is named after all the 0 cost cards that look like Cheerios
sudden lava
oh yeah also told this joke (phase dolphin isnt in the deck) at locals. Tifa Martial Artist do be the phase dolphin
trail anvil
Vivi is literally not doing a single thing in any other format. Cauldron is at t...
idk these were perfectly fine before cauldron no
tardy echo
named after cheerios, which is named after all the 0 cost cards that look like C...
Where does the cephalid part of the name come from
atomic harness
Good job, plz draw card
glad peak
would love to
vivi into cantrips into snap into search into gush into cruise into will into snap into search into gush into vivi activation into into cantrips into stormscale into time walk is pretty good
sleek ferry
[[adagia]]
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atomic harness
Got to pull off reanimate archon of cruelty super early today 
@fallow citrus @glad peak
kept beating the sht out of this one guy that's been spam targeting me for weeks
fallow citrus
god bless
atomic harness
atomic harness
Nodding
fallow citrus
I don't want to put a lot of combos in because these are super casual players but like
I literally cannot stop myself adding them in
sleek ferry
I’m very much of the opinion that everybody should build their commander deck to their liking (while also being cognizant of if that deck is too strong vs certain people/pods)
But like if I’m playing with somebody I’ve never played with before and they consult thassa’s oracle me on turn 2, I got no issue with that
granite badge
But like if I’m playing with somebody I’ve never played with before and they con...
Agree
atomic harness
I literally cannot stop myself adding them in
Depends on intent and can prolly just ease it in see how the games go first
Can do some value stuff for now if you don't want to go uber ham
Wouldn't hurt to keep a few combos in though
sleek ferry
Haul from my EOE bundle
sleek ferry
Does it see play? Because I actually have not seen it in standard
tardy echo
The temur deck plays it
It’s a 4 power card that can be free and lets you do some nasty stuff
sleek ferry
I’ve been running into a lot of Kona lately if anything
subtle sierra
the station lands are good with it
my friend bought like 5 stations and is making kona
steady onyx
is this deck real?
i like artifacts so much
and I can use my breeding pools here
i have a hunch its not real
but idk it looks fun
i know theres also the synthesizer artifact deck
but that feels more expensive to me
idk
sleek ferry
is this deck real?
Seems pretty bad ngl
glad peak
Yeah looks too outdated with tiny upgrades in a format that doesn’t care much for that angle anymore
sudden lava
Separate triggers
Separate triggered abilities yep.
Katara doubles up both for 4 😄
You also get 4 red mana to burn during combat
zinc shard
Yo this seems nuts
steady onyx
Seems pretty bad ngl
so then would the uw artifact deck be better?
glad peak
I don’t really like this because I genuinely don’t like doing the whole random things entering
Must be because of hearthstone
But I do see that to fully embrace the online nature of arena you’d want to do something like this
zinc shard
tardy echo
I don’t really like this because I genuinely don’t like doing the whole random t...
LoR trauma
Crescendum summon sparklefly gg @trail anvil
trail anvil
you say trauma like I wasn't the one doing it
last glen
this ain't Season 2 League
sleek ferry
Malphite/Yasuo gg
glad peak
The classic 2 player combo in a season 2
subtle sierra
bruh
sleek ferry
Well, back to mythic with Rakdos Speed
fallow citrus
bo1 or bo3?
sleek ferry
I dip back and forth between both. Early in the day I do bo1 for questing purposes, later in the day I do bo3
fallow citrus
ah sure
sleek ferry
This is the deck in question
Side is literally just strategic betrayals, intimidation tactics and ruinous rampage
You should never lose games where you get max speed
You’ll find in a lot of games you get board wiped, but they’re usually too low for it to matter. You have too much stuff that either has haste, or ways to give it haste
