Magic the Gathering

[rigid scarab]

Well I think 35 is low regardless on a 4cmc commander with 3 pips

And I was having consistent landrop issues before so I'll bump to 38 for now

[glad peak]

Maybe 40 mana sources, but not lands

You don’t need the dead 9% chance for your first 5-7 lands in your opening hand

Actually 40 mana sources is too low, with ramp you’re going to want 42 or so mana sources

But genuine lands you’re going to want 37 or so

[rigid scarab]

So in terms of toolbox

I got the guy that sticks on board and pings everyone while I do gameplan

I got the combo wincon

I got the swing the board with living death wincon

I think all I'm really missing rn

Is the reanimate target that threatens game wincon

There's toxrill but I wanna be swaggier

[glad peak]

Mono black valgavoth

[rigid scarab]

I added that like 10 minutes before you sent that lol

Funnily enough he is in my binder

Alongside watery grave and polluted delta

Losing binder value for a better deck

Options options

[tardy echo]

Question for anyone who played kaldheim standard were pathways good?

[subtle sierra]

Yes

[tardy echo]

Word

[subtle sierra]

iirc all those lands were played

[waxen timber]

Really depends on what bracket you are in imo. If you are in bracket 2 and your deck is less efficient, you face less pressure and you have less card advantage, hitting land drops is really strong

[sleek ferry]

not only were they good, they were beautiful to look at

I have 2 full art foils, I need to complete the set

[fallow citrus]

I have the orzhov pathways in foil they're gorgeous

[gritty nest]

is 35 lands enough for rhys the redeemed despite running 14 4+ drops? serious question

[fallow citrus]

also have a load from that time in foil

[gritty nest]

i love the bordereless

[fallow citrus]

4 lolth, 4 blood on the ice

or snow, I always get it wrong

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/39j8o6vr3fgf1.png?auto=webp&s=ffec59b00f8250e530f6273058dad1f2c9034c42

Oh there it is

The super chase card that's gonna make the set worth anything

And of course you need it for every black commander deck ever

[glad peak]

Huh that’s pretty cool

But also correct, most cases

There are still some considerations to make in deckbuilding with this just because it’s a mana rock that costs a color

[hidden ermine]

Surely thats a cycle

[golden plover]

Indestructible and the ability for it to not be dead lategame is crazy on a generic mana rock

[golden plover]

They'll probably split it over the 3 marvel sets

So that way when one looks bad (Spiderman) there's still reason to open it because generically strong commander card

Honestly wish this was a 3 mana rock since that'd make it a lot weaker

[tardy echo]

Ok but there’s 6 stones…

Did you ever consider that

[glad peak]

Yes and there’s 6 colors

White blue black red green brown

I have a feeling once you activate and infinity for one of the stones you get it for all of them

[golden plover]

Hey on the bright side, I can proxy the UW version for my cedh decks

[tardy echo]

So true

[gritty nest]

so i watched a few videos about some budget commander decks, and i wanted to get the cards for 2 of the decks. Which 2 do i get the cards for? [[Lord Xander, the Collector]] [[Rydia, Summoner of Mist]] [[Shantotto, Tactician Magician]] or [[Squall, Seed Mercenary]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/197/lord-xander-the-collector

Lord Xander, the Collector <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Demon Noble
When Lord Xander enters, target opponent discards half the cards in their hand, rounded down.
Whenever Lord Xander attacks, defending player mills half their library, rounded down.
When Lord Xander dies, target opponent sacrifices half the nonland permanents they control of their choice, rounded down.
6/6

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/239/rydia-summoner-of-mist

Rydia, Summoner of Mist <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Summon — , : Return target Saga card with mana value X from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it. It gains haste until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/241/shantotto-tactician-magician

Shantotto, Tactician Magician <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Wizard
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Shantotto gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast that spell. If X is 4 or more, draw a card.
"Ohohoho! I might be the harshest mistress in all of Vana'diel. But I may yet forgive you, if at my feet you kneel."
0/4

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/243/squall-seed-mercenary

Squall, SeeD Mercenary <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight Mercenary
Rough Divide — Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, it gains double strike until end of turn.
Whenever Squall deals combat damage to a player, return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
3/4

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-throwing-money-throw-money-shelley-long-bette-midler-gif-26630501

[golden plover]

Back to important stuff: how the fuck do I make the Jeskai manabase not suck rn? Why don't any of the verges I'd play tap for blue first ?

[hidden ermine]

Retcon

[golden plover]

Hmm

Am I cooking

[golden plover]

Actually this is insane

Lightstall into Aven Interrupter is brutal btw

[golden plover]

Wyd in this situation

[lusty trench]

Get a time machine and play farewell

[golden plover]

Honestly this feels kinda cracked

Just "nah you don't get to play the game" but I'm also beating you to death in the process

[glad peak]

I can’t believe we’re about to have mind stone and THE mind stone

[sudden lava]

https://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/magic-presents-a-villainous-halloween

yo

[glad peak]

undefined

[sudden lava]

what

[glad peak]

undefined

I’m just writing what the first thing on the article says when it’s linked

[sudden lava]

OH omg didnt even notice XD

[fallow citrus]

locals had some jp FF collectors packs in so I bought 2

and got celes surge foil

[lusty trench]

Beeeeg winnnnna

[fallow citrus]

actually beautiful

[glad peak]

Yes I am

[atomic harness]

got these today

[stark skiff]

wao rich and degenerate

[stark skiff]

wao none of my 3 sonic sld had a lotus petal

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14845309/mans_best_commonwealth_friend

I keep missing land drops here. is 37 lands literally not enough and/or is Dogmeat not the best choice here?

[glad peak]

How many lands do you have on field before you start missing land drops?

Because if you have like 6 on board before missing then you didn’t miss land drops

[trail anvil]

if you wanna hit more land drops I feel like you could add more card advantage or ramp

[sleek ferry]

Who knew the best deck for Fire Crystal would end up being synth lol

[atomic harness]

These are rly nice right? Got them from my entry pack

[trail anvil]

giving karnstructs haste does sound really good

[atomic harness]

tournament didn't go well but this is sick

[trail anvil]

yeah those are some really solid pulls tbh

[atomic harness]

desculpting blast

What are some white, blue, or black cards that make lander tokens if any?

Colorless too

[golden plover]

Ketramose continues to be the biggest fraud in standard. Why do people try so hard to play this guy?

[atomic harness]

Ketramose is for chumps

[subtle sierra]

@tardy echo defend yourself (you can't)

[atomic harness]

Are you proud of me Mr marang

[trail anvil]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Abwu+o%3Alander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

here you go oomfie

[atomic harness]

Ty. Scrapbot it is

[fallow citrus]

good fucking lord
https://vxtwitter.com/BeExcellent80s/status/1951444859925176782?t=AL2uyjoOMRvDVetBO5rHXw&s=19

BeExcellent (@BeExcellent80s)

$30,000 Legacy Jeskai Wizards deck with BETA DUALS, alters, and foil everything. Super flavorful card choices (Vivi, Terminus, Counterbalance, Vendilion Clique).

Deck builder: Iso at Shinjuku Hareruya Tournament Center in Tokyo. https://t.co/cd2Xh2UMob

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 2, 2025, 12:48 AM

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, just loss of a game off them using bay for it, you don’t even need to be on any red splash for it

[subtle sierra]

Yes, I'm proud of all ketramose haters

[glad peak]

Now all you have to agree commander is for chumps

[stark skiff]

commander is magics only real format

[glad peak]

Now it is

How unfortunate for magic

[tardy echo]

deadly cover up

[subtle sierra]

Imperial iron wall

[tardy echo]

Incredible gameplay

[subtle sierra]

Thank you

[granite badge]

Stupid fun

[atomic harness]

@ornate cedar

[ornate cedar]

Holy fuck nice haul

EOE looks like it has some good uncommon

[atomic harness]

Yeah im surprised even the low rarity stuff is pretty good

[ornate cedar]

Holy Jesus this is cracked esp in commander

[atomic harness]

my favorite common? Is like [[cryogen relic]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/52/cryogen-relic

Cryogen Relic <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
When this artifact enters or leaves the battlefield, draw a card.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Put a stun counter on up to one target tapped creature. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
Older than the Eumidian seedships that populated Evendo.

[ornate cedar]

I may have to draft this on Arena

[atomic harness]

Yeah it's nerfed tolarian academy but tolarian academy is still busted

[[tolarian academy]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/319/tolarian-academy

Tolarian Academy

Legendary Land
: Add for each artifact you control.
The academy worked with time—until time ran out.

[atomic harness]

unban it wizard pls just make it a GC

[ornate cedar]

All hail the Academy

[atomic harness]

green and white get to have cradle and sanctum

[ornate cedar]

[atomic harness]

(What does red and black get?)

[ornate cedar]

And doubling season

Is sheltered by ghosts still good in standard?

[atomic harness]

Should be good still

Mr marang loves that card

[ornate cedar]

Was less enthused by FF than I thought I would be

[sleek ferry]

I don’t have the wild cards for it, but I theoried this up and I think this is pretty strong

@golden plover

[golden plover]

Similar to what I was trying yeah

Not sure id do the pixie engine tbh

[sleek ferry]

Pixie engine is crazy for just letting you be very evasive

An argument could be made mono white is way better also

Also pixie light stall is crazy

[golden plover]

Yeah true. I just think running the Dimir flash engine instead feels good

[atomic harness]

@glad peak I need your help oh wise one

[glad peak]

Wuh

[atomic harness]

How big is the jump from bracket 3 to bracket 4?

friends are bracketing up and I need to do so as well

Also what are some good things to reanimate that I can play in esper colors . So far ive been looking at archon of cruelty and hullbreaker horror

but there might be smth that griefs multiple people better

[glad peak]

Game changers and 2 card combos are huge

Bracket 3 is stax heaven because they don’t have access to ways to turbo out kills like 4 and 5

[atomic harness]

I kiinda have to be the stax guy bc everyone's on some crazy sht but its a little tough since ppl do kingmaking turbo

guess I could join the thassa club

[glad peak]

People will always kingmake turbo

People are bad

Or are you kingmaking turbo by playing stax

[atomic harness]

My incidental hatebear is usually the only one stopping the super fast instawin most of the time

tho ofc I get ganged up on it then the combo guy that I was locking out wins because of it

doesnt happen all the time but it's a common theme

[glad peak]

Oh yep that’s just a skill issue

Even if you point out that you’re the only reason they’re not dead

[atomic harness]

Yeah

[glad peak]

“But it’s not fun” then kills you then immediately dies to turbo

Tale as old as time

[atomic harness]

I've also told them that it's not a hard lock and you can still play while being slowed down, we're buying time to find an out to his thing, etc etc

but no the jailer or something usually gets bonked and then yeh turbo guy wins

[glad peak]

People have weird definitions of fun, I thought people liked playing a longer game

[atomic harness]

I want to play more magic yeah

[glad peak]

Good news, you can choose to not die to turbo

[atomic harness]

The response to "you can still (somewhat) play under the stax piece was" "well I cant play much / im being crippled too so im gonna remove it 🙂"

guy that clears it usually doesnt win btw its the other guy next to him

welp

[atomic harness]

Anyway would like some suggestions for this

[glad peak]

You get a even more crippled boardstate if you’re killed by turbo

[urban crane]

I think the problem for many people with stax is that it feels in a way simmillair to floodgate decks I. Yugioh and we al know how fun those are even though yes I know stax is less bad but does Kinda give of a similar feeling

[glad peak]

Tbh in these levels stax a lot worse

Compared to yugioh

Since stax never hits every way to interact like yugioh sometimes does

[gritty nest]

2

Also, Who’s the most yugioh protagonist looking commander to exist?

[sudden lava]

Jodah

[stark skiff]

spongebob?

[sudden lava]

Same one the spongebob card has effect wise, it's basically Yugi

Heart of the cards but you are guaranteed a free legendary, and they are on friendship speeches? 10/10 Yugi

[gritty nest]

Effect wise

Like

Heart of the cards stuff

[sudden lava]

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUTv0kTy7M&ab_channel=MaldHound In the words of Maldhound

[past socket]

Honestly would argue that when it comes to mechanics Morph and Foretell are peak Yugis too honestly

[glad peak]

Theyre peak magic too tbh

It’s just a shame there aren’t too many good ones because a morph cube is really fun

What’s the biggest skill check card in magic in your opinion? For me it’s either counterspell or Armageddon

There’s also defense grid but that only tests the skill of the turbo player that plays the card

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14975133/faest_sanic_the_hedgehorge_budget Any cards I could add to help the deck and/or lower the budget?

[gritty nest]

Does Scryfall have a tag specifically for "whenever x deals combat damage"

[atomic harness]

did this card ever do anything or is it noob bait

[twilit canyon]

card's seen a lot of play in jeskai oculus in standard

but its a standard power level card for a tier 2 deck

so make of that what u will

[atomic harness]

nodding

[tardy echo]

Vivi also plays it

[glad peak]

For your purposes of commander tho, not great

[trail anvil]

seems fine in commander as card advantage idk

you should be running it in big creature decks to get the most value but a draw spell on rate with flashback seems fine

[glad peak]

Second time it’s good but first time you use it you basically skip your turn for almost no effect

Well, draw 3 discard 1 isn’t too bad but you’d want more value for that

[atomic harness]

What if I just pitch it and then use the second effect
outclassed by [[deep analysis]] I'm assuming? or a sidegrade

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/150/deep-analysis

Deep Analysis <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target player draws two cards.
Flashback—, Pay 3 life. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"No fact escapes me. Why do you think you can?"

[glad peak]

Depends on deck but even then you don’t play deep analysis in most decks

[atomic harness]

I see. Is the best blue creature to reanimate usually Hullbreaker Horror?

sans atraxa

[glad peak]

Tidespout tyrant too

[atomic harness]

[[tidespout tyrant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/63/tidespout-tyrant

Tidespout Tyrant <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Djinn
Flying
Whenever you cast a spell, return target permanent to its owner's hand.
He unmakes the world in his own image.
5/5

[golden plover]

Actually probably [[Consecrated Sphinx]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[golden plover]

You just make so much value

[glad peak]

But with the other 2 you can just win

[atomic harness]

I'm too fair I just bring back archon of cruelty

he's my favorite

[golden plover]

Yeah true. Depends on the current game state and if you've got other wincons or not

I just like Consecrated Sphinx in cedh Hashaton because that card feels really good when you play it for 3 mana

[atomic harness]

Dumb q
Can you still play stuff exiled by oppo if oppo goes away?

[golden plover]

In what context

[atomic harness]

Say I flash in oppo agent to a tutor
I see it, so I control their search yeah then exile whatever

After that let's say it gets killed
Could I still play the exiled card or do I need oppo faceup in order to do that

[stark skiff]

Just look at Hashaton lists

They’ll have the good reanimate targets for the most part

[glad peak]

[[plague rats]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/5ed/188/plague-rats

Plague Rats <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Rat
Plague Rats's power and toughness are each equal to the number of creatures named Plague Rats on the battlefield.
"Should you a Rat to madness tease Why ev'n a Rat may plague you . . . ." —Samuel Coleridge, "Recantation"
*/*

[granite badge]

i won after this

[granite badge]

chat am I cooking

[trail anvil]

you need a lot more non-basics and a screenshot vs something that isn't lifegain tbh

[glad peak]

Welp I was building bracket 2 erinis street urchin and I completely forgot traveling chocobo and a way to look for kodama of the East tree

Got enough landfall = creatures/tokens cards and bouncelands and land tutors to make kodama + any of them into infinites

I don’t think I can really add any kiki stuff into bracket 2 and there really isn’t too many good options to search kiki combo

[sleek ferry]

@glad peak since you were talking about heliod recently https://youtu.be/-xC_mZTz-sg?si=SlPrStMT1_D2xG2u

[atomic harness]

Sigh heliod is broken little ones

[sudden lava]

🤢

[gritty nest]

delete them before they launch Ultimate Guard

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14975133/faest_sanic_the_hedgehorge_budget Im 11 cards over on the deck, what should i cut?

[trail anvil]

I'm guessing you're keeping the sonic stuff in the 99 there for flavor, cause otherwise that's probably the first stuff I would cut

[gritty nest]

id prefer to yeah, knuckles is probably the last thing to cut since he generates mana/wincon/keyword soup

i probably dont need unexpected windfall/seize the spoils do i?

[trail anvil]

not really but I feel like a lot of this deck just seems suboptimal

[gritty nest]

yeah, part of it is trying not to break the bank

[trail anvil]

are you taking random draft chaff cause [[$swords to plowshares]] has been reprinted into the ground

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/45/swords-to-plowshares

Prices for Swords to Plowshares

Edge of Eternities Commander

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MagicFest 2025

$390.44

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Duskmourn: House of Horror Commander

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Bloomburrow Commander

$1.58 • €2.54 • 0.71 TIX

Mystery Booster 2

$1.41 • €2.99 • 0.39 TIX

Secret Lair Showdown

$5.52

[trail anvil]

and comes in every white precon ever

[gritty nest]

honestly forgot about it because i wanted to use flash dudes that removed stuff

[trail anvil]

sure but stuff like reduce to memory could be [[$generous gift]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/128/generous-gift

Prices for Generous Gift

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$1.85

Bloomburrow Commander

$1.12 • €1.09 • 0.21 TIX

Magic Online Promos

0.20 TIX

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Commander

$0.85 • €0.74 • 0.30 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine Commander

$0.86 • €0.78 • 0.15 TIX

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The List

$0.78

March of the Machine Commander

$0.80 • €0.89 • 0.05 TIX

Phyrexia: All Will Be One Commander

$0.97 • €0.67 • 0.06 TIX

[gritty nest]

generous gift is already in the deck

right above reduce to memory

[trail anvil]

oh it's the sonic art

[gritty nest]

yeah

[trail anvil]

[[stroke of midnight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/132/stroke-of-midnight

Stroke of Midnight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target nonland permanent. Its controller creates a 1/1 white Human creature token.
The assembled partygoers fell silent and stared. As the helmet came to a clattering stop, the only sound was Ash's distant footsteps.

[trail anvil]

this is already infinitely better

[gritty nest]

yeah thats still better since instant speed

[trail anvil]

reduce to memory is only the way it is cause it's a lesson

[gritty nest]

i think 3 mana exile anything is still helpful, but when im trying to optimize, its not

as in if i had the room id run it lol

[trail anvil]

I think I'd put grasp of fate in before I'd run the lesson

exile one from each board

[gritty nest]

[[grasp of fate]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/823/grasp-of-fate

Grasp of Fate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, for each opponent, exile up to one target nonland permanent that player controls until this enchantment leaves the battlefield. (Those permanents return under their owners' control.)
Few escape the Underworld. Fewer still escape fate.

[gritty nest]

oh

fair

oh yeah, would you like to hear what the goal of the deck was, at least my shit show version

[trail anvil]

you can also cut a ton of the ramp given the nature of this deck

what was the goal

[gritty nest]

play haste dudes, or give dudes haste, play flash dudes for interaction, swing, pump them, then get benefits when those dudes connect

thats partially why Calamity is there, since he can duplicate dudes that do ETB triggers/duplicate dudes with damage triggers

[trail anvil]

yeah makes sense

[gritty nest]

should i just move the entire "rewards for punching" section into the other groups to make seeing what is needed/not needed easier?

as in putting the bladegriff/underminer/visionary etc into the removal

[trail anvil]

well I think you need more ways of preventing your creatures from being blocked if your whole gameplan is to benefit off punching

sure

have you looked at the edhrec page for sonic

[gritty nest]

a few times, mainly the main page

[trail anvil]

there should be cheap hasty/flash creatures that work better than quaketusk boar

[gritty nest]

or just cutting it entirely

realistically i was keeping it since it was one of the few creatures that gave trample to my board with odric

[[nova hellkite]] is a card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/148/nova-hellkite

Nova Hellkite <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying, haste
When this creature enters, it deals 1 damage to target creature an opponent controls.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/5

[gritty nest]

thanks for the advice Komi, im heading off to bed for now and ill take a crack at it in the morning

[trail anvil]

[glad peak]

Not the heliod I was talking about but yep that deck is cool af

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14975133

This is fun

[lusty trench]

Gwenom, Remorseless

3BB

Legendary Creature - Symbiote Spider Hero

Deathtouch, Lifelink

Whenever Gwenom attacks, until end of turn you may look at the top card of your library and you may play cards from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.

4/4

[zinc shard]

Poor guy never knew what hit him

[atomic harness]

Double archon of cruelty @sleek ferry @stark skiff

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/gameundt-fallout-maximus-outerops-gif-4067651569052406982

[stark skiff]

Oh damn Citadel on legs

[sleek ferry]

Damn you’re bullying

Poor Stephen

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/GUOog5NdRiM

They got the weasel playing the weasel deck!

[glad peak]

Wait hol up wtf

[past socket]

Hopefully no Full Throttle Incident this time

[atomic harness]

Its alright

[sudden lava]

(Haven't seen the full episode so idk if she does)
Weasel go into maximum overdrive!! All engines ago!
spins out in nonbo

[past socket]

Basically just remember the last time I saw Voxy play Cruelclaw and having a nonbo with it in her deck because of chat apparently in [[Full Throttle]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/127/full-throttle

Full Throttle <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
After this main phase, there are two additional combat phases.
At the beginning of each combat this turn, untap all creatures that attacked this turn.
"You wanted a fight. Now you've got two." —Chandra Nalaar

[sudden lava]

Yep I know the reference

[sleek ferry]

Damn you support bullying?

[atomic harness]

No son

I pulled off a rly stupid kill with [psychic frog] and [dual-sun technique] just now

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/13/dual-sun-technique

Dual-Sun Technique <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn. If it has a +1/+1 counter on it, draw a card.
"Haste begets blunder. Be patient, Aora. As the sun rises, you will yet earn your second blade." —Master Iridiss

[subtle sierra]

oh wow eoe cards already

[past socket]

Reminded I had Cruelclaw in Magar myself lol

[stark skiff]

Wow you like bullying kids?

[past socket]

Cruelclaw just acting as a discard outlet and a way to cast more

[atomic harness]

My friend was at 16 and had a rly fat board I had a 2/3 frog and a full grip of cards

so I dumped my entire hand to push for game

[past socket]

Sadly ended up cutting the wezl but The Infamous Cruelclaw could be fun as much as its a bit too similar to Satya for my collection

[past socket]

(I also wholeheartedly apologise to my fellow wezl fans for having to cut Cruelclaw from Magar)

[glad peak]

Wezl players deserve it

[past socket]

Mostly just had him as a discard outlet

[gritty nest]

Would the flip avacyn be bad for sonic?

[[archangel avacyn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/11/archangel-avacyn-avacyn-the-purifier

Archangel Avacyn <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Angel
Flash
Flying, vigilance
When Archangel Avacyn enters, creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
When a non-Angel creature you control dies, transform Archangel Avacyn at the beginning of the next upkeep.
4/4

Avacyn, the Purifier
Legendary Creature — Angel
Flying
When this creature transforms into Avacyn, the Purifier, it deals 3 damage to each other creature and each opponent.
"Wings that once bore hope are now stained with blood. She is our guardian no longer." —Grete, cathar apostate
6/5

[gritty nest]

Does anyone know of Ultimate Guard boulder alternatives?

[granite badge]

How many ranks are in this game

[trail anvil]

it goes bronze -> silver -> gold -> platinum -> diamond -> mythic

and within mythic you have percentages at lower ranks then numbers at higher ranks

[atomic harness]

Thank you ko mee

[glad peak]

Welp was trying to build a bracket 2 erinis deck because friends usually only play precon stuff

Control + layered combo is probably not precon level but at least no 2 card combos, right?

[sleek ferry]

I'm building Coram the Undertaker rn for casual commander nights

probably leaning into bracket 3

[glad peak]

Eh I’m just gonna play the layered combo variant because it’s funny

[[coram the undertaker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/7/coram-the-undertaker

Coram, the Undertaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Coram gets +X/+0, where X is the greatest power among creature cards in all graveyards.
Whenever Coram attacks, each player mills a card.
During each of your turns, you may play a land and cast a spell from among cards in graveyards that were put there from libraries this turn.
0/5

[sleek ferry]

fun commander

way better than the face commander of the precon it came in

[glad peak]

Oh this combo is all triggers, welp time to play stax pieces

Wait does land tutors count in the few tutors clause

[sleek ferry]

Idts

[sudden lava]

Satin Towers are nice, it's taller then boulders but these babies got strong magnets (and a dice storage for all your counter tracking dice)

I only have the one tho

[glad peak]

Satin towers are great

I have one that’s been used for about 10 years now

[tardy echo]

Wao I didn’t know how fun resolving stormchasers talent was

[twilit canyon]

it is indeed quite fun

[tardy echo]

I used stock up 5 times in one turn

New pixie stuff is extremely fun cosmogrand zenith is a tad bit crazy

Cryogen relic has also been a little crazy

[glad peak]

would [[perilous forays]] combo be considered too many tutors?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rav/176/perilous-forays

Perilous Forays <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
, Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a land card with a basic land type, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"This is the place? This map has got to be wrong . . . ." —Svania Trul, wayfinder novice, last words

[gritty nest]

It’s a land tutor so they can’t really complain

[glad peak]

Does bracket 2 only specify nonland tutors?

This is a combo piece to get all of my basics onto the field + deal 3*lands

[sudden lava]

Bracket 2 is up to 3 tutors

[glad peak]

That didnt answer my question

[sudden lava]

Oh my bad you are asking if ramp counts as tutors

they dont

otherwise nearly every green precon would be bracket 3

[trail anvil]

I feel like you're tunneling too hard on the tutor aspect, how reliable is the combo and how much mana does it take

[glad peak]

This one takes like 11 minimum (enchantment, lotus cobra, scute swarm + activation) + a creature

If I get it off I make like 15 basic land drops and depending on the outlet I either do that much*3 damage or scute swarm 2^14

I have a couple cards that tutors 2 creatures

Tooth and nail or summons

2 of those pieces can be used in another combo that wins the game and maybe 1-2 of the other pieces can be used in another combo

[atomic harness]

I have a rulings question
Does [[hushbringer]] have any interactions w cards tht have like "whenever you sacrifice a creature"

[[queen of the golgari]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/18/hushbringer

Hushbringer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Faerie
Flying, lifelink
Creatures entering or dying don't cause abilities to trigger.
"Let's begin this conversation again, and this time you will only listen."
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/218/savra-queen-of-the-golgari

Savra, Queen of the Golgari <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Shaman
Whenever you sacrifice a black creature, you may pay 2 life. If you do, each other player sacrifices a creature of their choice.
Whenever you sacrifice a green creature, you may gain 2 life.
"Nature's most raw beauty is the circle: perfect in its continuance, with no break between death and life."
2/2

[atomic harness]

And is it the same with "whenever you sacrifice a permanent" effects only IF they sac a creature specifically?

[glad peak]

The effect that causes the sacrifice works but the trigger when something gets sacrificed doesn’t

[atomic harness]

Thank you Mr mudkip

For the second thing, only if it's creatures right?

[[mayhem devil]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/121/mayhem-devil

Mayhem Devil <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
Whenever a player sacrifices a permanent, this creature deals 1 damage to any target.
Despite their stake in the city's survival, Rakdos cultists are loath to pass up any opportunity to sow chaos.
3/3

[atomic harness]

so if guy sacks a creature mayhem devil doesn't ping
But if it's an artifact land or w/e mayhem pings

[glad peak]

It does ping

The only thing hushbringer stops is if mayhem devil said “whenever a creature dies”

[atomic harness]

Oh hm

okie

[glad peak]

Magic is very literal

Except for when it isn’t

[urban crane]

Something that still kinda I’m not great with is [[cloud midgar mercenary]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/10/cloud-midgar-mercenary

Cloud, Midgar Mercenary <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Mercenary
When Cloud enters, search your library for an Equipment card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
As long as Cloud is equipped, if an ability of Cloud or an Equipment attached to it triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
2/1

[urban crane]

Is the shortening of names cause too used to yugioh where this would mean every card named cloud not just itself

[granite badge]

maximum timmy energy(they missed like 3 land drops)

[subtle sierra]

God i really hate the particle effect they added on terror of the peaks

I keep thinking it's uncounterable

I have to double take every time i see it

[sleek ferry]

Synth players and not reading, what an iconic duo

[tardy echo]

Truly a deck made for its players

[golden plover]

How the fuck am I supposed to beat that temur smugglers deck?

[sleek ferry]

Which one is that

I just realized

all the decent red board wipes rotated out no?

[tardy echo]

Smugglers surprise

To cheat out a bunch of stupid big assholes

Vaultborn enuri etc

And when it’s not doing that it’s basically just a control deck

[tardy echo]

Fire magic is ok no?

[sleek ferry]

yeah but fire magic doesn't have the versitility of brotherhood's end

[tardy echo]

I mean it’s worse fs but it’s still a good board wipe

And at times can be a lot more annoying to deal with if they have a bunch of 1 toughness guys

[wary night]

Oh nothing at all, they actually sound super fun

[glad peak]

So the player skill vs infect opinions graph is very likely a normal graph

Low and high ends of skill level say infect is fine while mid players say infect is the least fun thing in the game

[tardy echo]

I mean I think it’s an extremely unfun deck I just also think it’s fine because I still win vs it 90% of the time

Climbing thru gold again sigh

[glad peak]

Ahem

M I D

Speaking of which, I wonder why league players used to announce their skill level right when they entered lobbies

[tardy echo]

Die

Better than u kid

[glad peak]

No you spelled it wrong

It’s M I D

[tardy echo]

[sleek ferry]

I think infect is pretty toxic, and I consider myself a pretty good player

infect's main issue I have is that sometimes they just highroll you and there's no counterplay to it

[subtle sierra]

i personally hate infect/toxic but that's more a pet peeve

[glad peak]

getting highrolled with no counterplay is just magic

[tardy echo]

Well yeah infect isn’t broken

It’s just an incredibly obnoxious deck by design

[tardy echo]

Grixis reanimator makes me incredibly angry

[glad peak]

why

[tardy echo]

I play the game in order to actually play the game

So decks that entirely seek to not play the game are a little frustrating regardless of whether they’re good or bad

[glad peak]

but you are playing the game, reanimator's a core part of magic design

[tardy echo]

Hand hate is also a core part of magic design but wotc decided im not allowed to play hopeless nightmare anymore

I guess I’ll just play Bo3 so I don’t get cheesed to death anymore…

[glad peak]

hand hate is also a core part of magic design but is bad in commander and commander players hate it so wotc won't print good ones anymore

[trail anvil]

what deck are you playing against where it's not uncounterable

[tardy echo]

They just did in woe Sighge

There’s also still duress in standard

[subtle sierra]

No it is counterable, but looks like it isn't

[tardy echo]

No more dreams though which is sadge

[glad peak]

hopeless nightmare and duress mid

bring back thoughtseize you cowards

[trail anvil]

no I mean if you're playing that card you should be using cavern and/or smuggler's

[tardy echo]

I’m actually ok with not having thoughtseize in standard

[glad peak]

bring back mind twist cowards

[tardy echo]

But it’s unfortunate that the best hand hate for pixie now is momentum breaker

[tardy echo]

True!!!!

[glad peak]

give me hymn in standard cowards

[trail anvil]

truth be told if you're playing it you should smuggle it in every time you can

[glad peak]

hol up you don't want thoughtseize in standard but want mind twist?

[tardy echo]

Reprint all of time spiral

[tardy echo]

Yes except only let me play mind twist

[glad peak]

oh boy do i have a format for you

cube

[tardy echo]

Draft stinky

[glad peak]

no u

and takes less time than the average commander game

with more gameplay

[tardy echo]

You say this like I play commander???

[glad peak]

finally something we agree on, commander stinky

🤝

[tardy echo]

Holy

I’m a standard gamer

Playing mtg like wotc intended

[glad peak]

If you ain’t playing old school then you ain’t playing as Garfield intended

Speaking of which apparently they have some weird thing where some of them saying you can’t play old school if you don’t have the original printing

[tardy echo]

I play a swamp I play dark ritual I use that mana to play dark ritual I use that mana to play dark ritual I activate mind twist for 7

[glad peak]

Let me just gather up all my alpha lotuses

5 card combo and you don’t even win

Ah yes let me just get 4 ofs of all of my power nine to play a dead format

[tardy echo]

Turn 2 I play…

Please hold

Black knight

gg

[glad peak]

You gave them a turn? Suboptimal

[sleek ferry]

Reaching max speed = real shit

[tardy echo]

Finished the grind from s1 to p1 in approximately 3 hours only lost two games this pixie deck is pretty ok @sleek ferry

D1 tomorrow maybe

[sleek ferry]

What’s your peak rank so far

You may be stuck in diamond for a bit if you’ve never reached diamond 2+

[tardy echo]

I hit p1 last season and then stopped laddering

[golden plover]

Unironically I feel like D4 is the hardest rank to get out of

Bronze -Gold is free, Plat is usually free

Diamond is sometimes tough

[tardy echo]

It’s just extremely annoying that the pip increase goes down from 2>1

Like I get it but

[zinc shard]

stonks day

[tardy echo]

I saw that

Infinite money glitch I guess

Does that happen often

[last glen]

not often

but it happens every once in a while

[gritty nest]

I thought of a funny idea, [[Sami, wildcat captain]] x spells

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/226/sami-wildcat-captain

Sami, Wildcat Captain <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Rogue
Double strike, vigilance
Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost less to cast for each artifact you control.)
"The hard way it is."
4/4

[sleek ferry]

D2 imo

[glad peak]

Welp built a bracket 2 deck to play with my friends who have bracket 4 decks but insist on their deck being bracket 2 and only playing vs precons

[gritty nest]

Are they stupid or something?

[glad peak]

i don't think so?

but one guy literally has the thoracle consult combo but doesn't count it as a fast 2 card combo because "they don't do anything on their own"

[atomic harness]

Nice troll holy

[glad peak]

Also some combination of excuses like “but I opened these cards in packs” and “but I’m not running tutors”

But seriously

[trail anvil]

no wonder you think so poorly of commander lol

[gritty nest]

They’re the type of people that get banned from every pod at an LGS

[subtle sierra]

[gritty nest]

Who’s the most brain dead commander to ever exist

And isn’t gishath, krenko, or atarka

[past socket]

[[Fynn, the Fangbearer]] probably

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/637/fynn-the-fangbearer

Fynn, the Fangbearer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
Whenever a creature you control with deathtouch deals combat damage to a player, that player gets two poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
"Come, Koma, and reclaim what you lost! Or does the great serpent fear a rematch?"
1/3

[past socket]

Have deathtouchers, punch people to death with poison

Can’t get simpler than that in terms of gameplay

[trail anvil]

yeah I'd agree with that

[gritty nest]

I said most popular landfall commanders are mouth breathers tbh

My friend disagrees

[past socket]

I agree with your friend. You’d be surprised the brain power that can go into getting the most of your landfall effects

[fallow citrus]

my tatyova cedh deck was only for the most educated edh player

[past socket]

Like Landfall honestly seems simple to learn but takes a bit to really master

[urban crane]

You know what deck is really difficult to play gishath really hard really complicated

[broken fjord]

I traumatized our local gishath player. Was playing an atraxa blink deck, I think. Saved all my blinks to stall out gishath. Never connected once.

[glad peak]

Nah, I had that before I met these guys, they just made it worse

[urban crane]

For people that play commander what’s everyone’s favorite mine is [[Valgavoth harrower of souls]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/6/valgavoth-harrower-of-souls

Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Demon
Flying
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Whenever an opponent loses life for the first time during each of their turns, put a +1/+1 counter on Valgavoth and draw a card.
4/4

[zinc shard]

right now it's [[Chatterfang]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Chatterfang”, can you be more specific?

[zinc shard]

[[Chatterfang, Squirrel Genral]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general

Chatterfang, Squirrel General <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Squirrel Warrior
Forestwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.)
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus that many 1/1 green Squirrel creature tokens are created instead.
, Sacrifice X Squirrels: Target creature gets +X/-X until end of turn.
3/3

[glad peak]

[[celes, rune knight]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fic/1/celes-rune-knight

Celes, Rune Knight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard Knight
When Celes enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards plus one.
Whenever one or more other creatures you control enter, if one or more of them entered from a graveyard or was cast from a graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
4/4

[urban crane]

Nice commanders

[lost widget]

No card found for “Tannuk, Secondhand General”

[zinc shard]

[[Tannuk, Steadfast Second]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/162/tannuk-steadfast-second

Tannuk, Steadfast Second <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Kavu Pilot
Other creatures you control have haste.
Artifact cards and red creature cards in your hand have warp . (You may cast a card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile that permanent at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
"We're a few bones short of a skeleton crew, Sami, but we've got plenty of spine."
3/5

[zinc shard]

(I should really look these card names up first lol)

[glad peak]

Secondhand general

[trail anvil]

[[Anikthea, Hand of Erebos]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/705/anikthea-hand-of-erebos

Anikthea, Hand of Erebos <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — Demigod
Menace
Other enchantment creatures you control have menace.
Whenever Anikthea enters or attacks, exile up to one target non-Aura enchantment card from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of that card, except it's a 3/3 black Zombie creature in addition to its other types.
4/4

[sleek ferry]

[[coram the undertaker]] for casual rn

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/7/coram-the-undertaker

Coram, the Undertaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Coram gets +X/+0, where X is the greatest power among creature cards in all graveyards.
Whenever Coram attacks, each player mills a card.
During each of your turns, you may play a land and cast a spell from among cards in graveyards that were put there from libraries this turn.
0/5

[golden plover]

Mine is [[Hashaton, Scarab's Fist]] for Cedh or Tannuk for casual

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https://scryfall.com/card/drc/1/hashaton-scarabs-fist

Hashaton, Scarab's Fist <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Whenever you discard a creature card, you may pay . If you do, create a tapped token that's a copy of that card, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie.
"I served the Scarab in an age long past, in another form, under another name. No matter their visage, I serve."
1/3

[urban crane]

Nice nice I sort of have/had anikthea didn’t really end up liking it

[gritty nest]

[[magda, hoardmaster]] for sonic?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/133/magda-the-hoardmaster

Magda, the Hoardmaster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Berserker
Whenever you commit a crime, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
Sacrifice three Treasures: Create a 4/4 red Scorpion Dragon creature token with flying and haste. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2

[golden plover]

Uh oh

Healthy meta alert

[tardy echo]

Me when I call every deck in the format aggro

[golden plover]

Yeah it really shouldn't be 88% aggro

But that 30% being Vivi Cauldron is pretty concerning

[tardy echo]

That’s not 30% cauldron

It’s combining the regular prowess deck with cauldron

[golden plover]

Weird. They usually do split the archetypes

[tardy echo]

Well I don’t see any distinguishing feature for a second izzet aggro deck

[subtle sierra]

they say roots decks are aggro

mtgtop8 sucks at categorization

[golden plover]

Tbh the other deck is pretty much the same as cauldron, but minus cauldron

[subtle sierra]

it's still good as a list resource

[tardy echo]

It plays cauldron sometimes still it just

[golden plover]

Yeah the 88% aggro is wrong

[tardy echo]

Tries to win the game in a much more straight forward way

[golden plover]

But I guess I can see an argument for both decks being considered the same archetype

[tardy echo]

Actual cauldron lists look and play very diff

Prowess doesn’t play any of the shit like proft winternight etc

[tardy echo]

Yeah I can see the argument where you want to intentionally inflate numbers to make the deck you like look comparatively less strong

[golden plover]

Fair, they probably should be split. Weird they're categorized as the same list

[tardy echo]

Automated algorithms not good at categorizing decks

I would play the cauldron deck if it wasn’t 6 quadrillion rares/mythics for a deck that will almost certainly eat a ban in the near ish future

[sleek ferry]

The most underrated deck in the format is mono white/azorius mid range

[tardy echo]

But prowess is not so much my speed

At least not without cutter

[sleek ferry]

white just got 3 of the top 5 most cracked cards in EOE

it's actually crazy

[golden plover]

I do kinda hope Cauldron eats a ban in the near future yeah

$1000+ deck where the cleanest interaction sometimes just doesn't stop them

Vivi is fine if Cauldron isn't there to make it go super stupid

[tardy echo]

I mean there are def ways to interact

Cauldron isn’t even as repped as dimir rn im pretty sure lol

[golden plover]

There are, but they can abrade or flood maw pinnacle

[sleek ferry]

strategic betrayal casually fucks half of the common decks you see in the ladder

[golden plover]

Dimir is more repped rn, but cauldron is taking more wins

It'll depend how the format shapes up, but I think Cauldron is definitely a potential threat

Aggro is always over represented before lists settle too

But it does look like cauldron is pretty cemented in its list

[glad peak]

I love it when modern decks are cheaper than standard, don’t you?

Anyways yeah that was expected when we learned there would be premium sets in standard which sucks

[sleek ferry]

Thats disingenuous tbh, only vivi cauldron is an $800 deck

Esper aggro is $350

The average price of the top 5 modern decks is around $800

The average price of the top 5 standard decks is $540

[glad peak]

yes only 1 deck is that expensive but the point is that no standard deck should be reaching that high and it was artificially created through premium sets being pushed to standard

[atomic harness]

Rn mine is [[raffine, scheming]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/213/raffine-scheming-seer

Raffine, Scheming Seer <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4

[atomic harness]

gonna play b3 commander w friends tmr

[waxen timber]

Hopefully in October when FF gets its 2nd print run, starting town prices go down

[atomic harness]

I got to pull off a raffine connive archon of cruelty then reanimate the other day

[granite badge]

How good is aristrocrats in standard rn

Or w/e the archetype that is "sac your own stuff for value" is called

Brain fart

[tardy echo]

It’s ok

Sephiroth raise the past etc are good cards but it’s simultaneously easy to interact with and struggles to interact with other decks

Ghost vacuum soul guide rest in peace ntm playing pretty poorly into cards like starcage or other generic wipes

[zinc shard]

Lol

[tardy echo]

Integrity In Journalism

[glad peak]

bracket 1 vs bracket 3 thinking

[sleek ferry]

The funny thing about this is that, Vivi isn’t even the most expensive card in the deck

[tardy echo]

Cauldron randomly costs 1k for a playset

[sleek ferry]

$276

[tardy echo]

276 thousand? Yeah probably

[sleek ferry]

So you could technically play izzet prowess with no cauldron, for under the average cost of other standard decks rn

[tardy echo]

I think that’s the big appeal of regular prowess atm

It’s a very strange deck from what I’ve seen of it

No creatures besides Vivi and just spamming bodies off talent + ral

It’s a cool deck though

[sleek ferry]

Cauldron’s main appeal rn is that half the decks in the meta are gy reliant, so it’s utility + combo tool in your deck naturally

[tardy echo]

It’s wincon is also just very strong

[sleek ferry]

But as soon as that changes, izzet prowess should just become more popular

[tardy echo]

I’ve seen that deck win the game on t4 a not inconsiderable number of times

[glad peak]

Welp time to stock up on shocklands in the next couple weeks

[tardy echo]

How much are shocks post eoe

[sleek ferry]

Most of them are under $10

[glad peak]

Last time they were in standard they were like $8

[sleek ferry]

I think only the dimir one exactly is $10-11

Btw, this might be the best streak of standard sets I can remember

Where a good portion of mythics are all pretty valuable

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14975133/sonic_the_hedgehog

what do you guys think of the Soltari Visionary, Akki Underminer, and Dawning Purist? Should I swap them out for regular removal pieces?

[stark skiff]

Picked up these foils

Who knew Smugglers was so expensive

[gritty nest]

Like 8 bucks right?

[glad peak]

Why

[stark skiff]

Oh no specifically the Promo Pack one cause it’s the only foil copy lol

It’s like $70

[glad peak]

Oh huh

Welp time to go digging in my shame box, I remember opening a couple

[stark skiff]

Glen Elendra also surprised me at $65 but it is old

[stark skiff]

Holy if you have some yeah!

[glad peak]

They deserve to be in my shame box ngl

[stark skiff]

I like the card

[glad peak]

A lot of cards are in my shame box

[glad peak]

oh the erinis deck i made can win turn 4

big oofs

[gritty nest]

Who knew giving a death touch creature a 9mm lead to killing people quickly

[glad peak]

Except I didn’t even get to have erinis out

[tardy echo]

The formats themselves have also been pretty fire can’t lie

Even csc meta I enjoyed

[gritty nest]

Fair enough

[tardy echo]

Mutate was such a cool mechanic I wish it would come back

Can we visit ikoria again dad @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

We are aren’t we?

I thought it was confirmed we were going back

(I was not a big fan of the first Ikoria set)

I did enjoy it a lot thematically though

And it gave us the best commander precons of recent times

[tardy echo]

Oh was it confirmed

I have no idea

I think mutate is a really cool mechanic

And I think stuff like ultimatums/apexes are extremely huge flavor w’s

[hidden ermine]

We might not get Mutate back

[tardy echo]

Sigh

[hidden ermine]

Also you might enjoy Digimon then

Its not guaranteed either way, just that mutate didnt play too well

[tardy echo]

Skill issue on wotcs part

Also companions were cool (possibly controversial opinion) and it would be cool to see more of them

[twilit canyon]

i agree entirely with seeing more

[hidden ermine]

Oh thats definitely out of the question

[twilit canyon]

but idk what they could do

they'd have to be really limited and only in non-rotating/eternal formats

[hidden ermine]

Companion is probably the mechanic most certain to not return from the last 10 years

[last glen]

Okay you yugioh player

[tardy echo]

Holy

A boy wants to see cards that reward specific deckbuilding what do u want from me

I’m not saying I want another lurrus but plenty of the companions are at acceptable power levels

[sleek ferry]

Mutate I can see coming back, companion? I doubt

[sleek ferry]

Man says this like [[yorion]] didn’t exist

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/232/yorion-sky-nomad

Yorion, Sky Nomad <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153>

Legendary Creature — Bird Serpent
Companion — Your starting deck contains at least twenty cards more than the minimum deck size. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Flying
When Yorion enters, exile any number of other nonland permanents you own and control. Return those cards to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.
4/5

[sleek ferry]

Or the elk

[tardy echo]

Well I don’t expect to see them but it would be cool if I did

[tardy echo]

Jegantha is hype

Also isn’t yorion only broken in modern

[sleek ferry]

Which one was the one where your deck can’t have a cmc above 3 or something

[tardy echo]

Lurrus

Is the turbo broken one

[sleek ferry]

No I’m sorry I meant below 3

[tardy echo]

Let’s you play spells from gy

[sleek ferry]

Not lurrus

[tardy echo]

That’s literally

[[lurrus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den

Lurrus of the Dream-Den <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2

[tardy echo]

CMC <3

[sleek ferry]

No, as in there’s one where the deck building requirement is all your spells have to be cmc 3 or greater

Or 4 or greater

[tardy echo]

Oh it’s the hippo

[[macrosage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/225/keruga-the-macrosage

Keruga, the Macrosage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:managu:292901509035851788><:managu:292901509035851788>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Hippo
Companion — Your starting deck contains only cards with mana value 3 or greater and land cards. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
When Keruga enters, draw a card for each other permanent you control with mana value 3 or greater.
5/4

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah this was ass nvm

[tardy echo]

The ones that got banned were like

Jegantha lurrus lutri (fake) yorion and the fox right

Lutri doesn’t count because it got banned in the singleton formats

[golden plover]

Yeah we're almost certainly never seeing companion again

Ridiculously busted mechanic

[glad peak]

Every companion has been at least playable in modern except the fox and lutri

Jegantha was broken in pioneer too, don’t worry

[tardy echo]

There’s definitely ways to make it balanced they just didn’t realize how good it would be in non rotating/other deckbuilding constricted formats

[copper pecan]

rewarding a specific kind of deckbuilding is one thing but giving you an extra card in your starting hand is way too strong

[tardy echo]

The fox got literally banned didn’t it

Is that in a diff format

[glad peak]

Not in modern

It got banned in vintage

[copper pecan]

fox got banned in legacy

[golden plover]

I disagree. I'm not sure there's a way to make a companion balanced that isn't making the deck entirely unplayable

[tardy echo]

Legacy

[glad peak]

Or was it legacy

[tardy echo]

Oops

[glad peak]

Lurrus got banned in vintage, right

[tardy echo]

I mean half the companions do a pretty good job idk

[copper pecan]

even the companions that aren't broken make formats less diverse just by existing

[glad peak]

Ikoria draft sucked so much

[golden plover]

Even Jegantha and Kaheera, who might as well be vanillas, are problematic to the point of Jegantha being banned

[copper pecan]

ikoria draft would have been fine if it weren't for [[zenith bolt]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “zenith bolt”

[copper pecan]

[[zenith flare]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/217/zenith-flare

Zenith Flare <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Zenith Flare deals X damage to any target and you gain X life, where X is the number of cards with a cycling ability in your graveyard.
"I defy this world to try our defenses now. Send pterons and skycats. Send Vadrok!" —Janae, Coppercoat architect

[copper pecan]

this

this should not have been an uncommon

[golden plover]

Legitimately most decks that played Jegantha didn't play it for its text at all

And it's still banned

[copper pecan]

like i said, the companions made formats less diverse by discouraging playing certain cards without really adding anything to the formats by themselves

[golden plover]

I could see companions being printed into commander only sets like 6 years from now

But I don't think they'll EVER put a companion in a 60 card format again

[copper pecan]

they warp the deckbuilding without making the format better

[golden plover]

Companion is one of the few mechanics where the ENTIRE mechanic is nerfed

[copper pecan]

i don't think they're ever going to print more companions ever again

[glad peak]

Ikoria draft had a couple more problems than just the cycling deck

[golden plover]

And for a while, Lurrus was banned in Vintage. The only card banned in Vintage for power level reasons

Companion is legitimately probably the biggest miss of a mechanic ever

[glad peak]

Mutate only being available on non-humans meant you were railroaded into one of the options

[copper pecan]

not really? there were plenty of human and non-human options in every color

[golden plover]

I think potentially companions could work in a supplemental commander product with a huge ass restriction like "your deck is mono-colored"

[glad peak]

No I mean if you were playing a deck revolving around humans (there was a combination or 2) or a deck with a decent amount of humans then you couldn’t pick most of the mutate cards

[copper pecan]

oh i see

that makes sense

[golden plover]

But I don't think we'll ever see a new companion in a standard set

[copper pecan]

it's crazy that they made the companions hybrid

[golden plover]

It's so wacky

[copper pecan]

as though they weren't already easy to run

[golden plover]

Just everything about companions is ridiculous

[copper pecan]

lurrus was originally going to be 6 mana btw

[golden plover]

I have legitimately no clue how they could have ever been okay with companions

[glad peak]

Iirc this was to make them easier to build around in draft but that didn’t work out

Although yorion in cube has got to be one of my favorite things

[copper pecan]

apparently they were so focused on mutate that they just didn't notice the issues with companions, somehow

[golden plover]

Also fuck companions for getting an exception to the commander rules in a way that's dumb

[copper pecan]

shout out to lutri being the fastest ban ever

[glad peak]

I wish there was a partner card that allows you to partner with mono colored commanders and was like 2-3 mana and had an eminence ability that says you can’t cast your other commander unless you have that partner out

[golden plover]

(You don't have a sideboard in commander, but you can have a sideboard if you have a companion. It's just a one card sideboard for your companion)

[copper pecan]

they're never going to make something like this

[golden plover]

I feel like companions shouldn't get an exception to the rules lol

But luckily most of them are ass in commander

[glad peak]

I know but I can dream lmao, would be fair

[glad peak]

The only ones that were playable in cedh were Lurrus, jegantha, and the fox, right?

[golden plover]

Yeah and two of those fell off after the rule change

[glad peak]

Wait which rule change?

I know they fell off from lotus and crypt getting banned

[golden plover]

The 3 mana extra cost for your companion

[glad peak]

No, they were still winning events iirc

Especially the fox

[golden plover]

Yeah, but not as much lol

Either way, fuck companions

[glad peak]

And the constant try to make Lurrus good

[golden plover]

Ridiculous ass mechanic

[glad peak]

And the combo deck where 2 of the pieces were in the command zone and companion zone lmao

[golden plover]

I would love a return to Ikoria tho

Weird ass pokemon plane

[sleek ferry]

This could be legitimately cool if they did this

[glad peak]

They should bring back eminence but only as negative effects

But make the commander absurd

[trail anvil]

I feel like mutate was a well received mechanic, just the execution was kinda eh

[copper pecan]

it has a lot of really weird edge cases but overall i thought it was fine

[trail anvil]

I still wanna see more mutate cards with static keywords or something

[copper pecan]

my main issue with it is how so many of the mutate cards are only good with other mutate cards

[trail anvil]

yeah

[copper pecan]

since almost all of them have an effect that triggers when you mutate them

that isn't inherent to the mechanic though, it's just how they designed those specific cards

[trail anvil]

this also meant anti synergy with stuff like nethroi

I'd like more power matters and stuff like it to justify mutating too

but either way I'll welcome any amount of new mutate support cause the mechanic is fun as hell, I love building a voltron boss by stapling other creatures on top of it

[gritty nest]

Mutate is a neat mechanic but needs some changes to be more fun and less confusing imo

Mainly less confusing

[glad peak]

anyways this is my bracket 2 erinis deck, yes i know i could add a ton of fetchlands but i wanted to make this budget for now until i buy enough fetchlands for my other decks https://archidekt.com/decks/15115308/bad_deck

[gritty nest]

I was about to say, you could run evolving wilds/terramorphic expanse

[glad peak]

nah those are too slow

same reason why i don't run dryad arbor yet, too slow if i don't have fetches

slag gets a pass because it's an artifact i can snipe something with

[glad peak]

But yep I can add 6 or so more fetchlands, probably going to get rid of basics asap

22 ramp spells

[copper pecan]

reading destroy all humanity and i noticed this niv mizzet cameo

[tardy echo]

Actual question what’s the appeal of dryad arbor

[twilit canyon]

its cute

(its a land that can block)

the play pattern is [[green sun's zenith]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/150/green-suns-zenith

Green Sun's Zenith <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for a green creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Shuffle Green Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
As the green sun crowned, Phyrexian prophecies glowed on the Tree of Tales.

[twilit canyon]

and having a target for it on 1

so u can use it as a 1 mana ramp spell

[glad peak]

You get it off fetchlands, ping with erinis, block with it, and use land ramp to grab a creature pretty much

I don’t have it in here because I don’t have green sun’s (I’m never looking for 1 specific creature), because I need more fetchlands to make it worth, and because it’s effectively a tapped land in this case

[tardy echo]

Is this not also llanowar

[tardy echo]

I didn’t realize you could fetch it

[copper pecan]

llanowar elves isn't a land

dryad arbor counts as a land for cards that care about lands

and also costs 0 mana

[tardy echo]

True…

[copper pecan]

iirc the head designer has said if he could retroactively erase a card from existance dryad arbor would be the one he would pick because it causes so many weird rulings problems

[gritty nest]

[[!dryad arbor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/273/dryad-arbor

Dryad Arbor

[copper pecan]

and also so people would stop asking him about when they're gonna print the other land creatures

[gritty nest]

As long as I get the rest of my cheap ass dual lands I wouldn’t mind deleting dryad arbor

[twilit canyon]

gsz fetching dryad as a 2nd land is something llanowar can never do

also ive been collecting as many of these as i find so i can play them as basics
[[!dryad arbor|v12]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/v12/5/dryad-arbor

Dryad Arbor

[twilit canyon]

someone will notice eventually my 20 basic forests are all dryad arbors

[copper pecan]

why did they give the tree on the far right a thicc gyatt

[tardy echo]

They made all the trees hot

Very loaded imagery

Holy I just realized there are people making out

[copper pecan]

"the trees need to be caked up or this set won't sell" - john wotc

[zinc shard]

Tabletop crashed after this\

[gritty nest]

Am I crazy or are the pathway lands undervalued?

[glad peak]

They’re not undervalued but they’re good

[sleek ferry]

8 ranked games today, 8 wins

[gritty nest]

I ask because the most expensive one is like $7

[glad peak]

Theyre only good in pioneer, some modern decks, and 2c commander decks and those aren’t as popular as 3+ colors

[gritty nest]

Fair

Running pathways in my eowyn deck probably isn’t the smartest thing then

[glad peak]

Very likely not

Especially since we’re about to get better ones in spiderman

[gritty nest]

We are?

[glad peak]

Yep

[gritty nest]

All I knew about was the multiversal passageway

Or is that what you’re referring to

[glad peak]

Pathways let you choose 1 of 2 colors while this one land lets you choose 1 of any of the 5

Yep that one

[gritty nest]

Definitely amazing for 5c decks

[glad peak]

Nope not 5c decks

Only getting to choose 1 of the 5 colors is really bad for 5c

[atomic harness]

This one friend loves to spite play turbo @glad peak @fallow citrus
oppo has a huge ass green board with a frostfang and elven chorus but he still beasts within my spellskite which is just to protect my commander

"I don't care"

For some good news, managed to clutch out a close game with [[Prismatic Strands]] twice
A hard cast then a flashback

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/69/prismatic-strands

Prismatic Strands <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that sources of the color of your choice would deal this turn.
Flashback—Tap an untapped white creature you control. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[sleek ferry]

I’ve vsed this version of landfall, I personally feel like this is better than the mono green version https://x.com/hexamyn/status/1953605006965547046?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

HexMTG (@Hexamyn)

💪 Simic Landfall/ Counters supersizes your creatures. You're opponents won't know whats hit them 😏

This deck hits hard and is very resilient in Bo1 meta

Ouroboroid is a beast

List in Alt
Video - https://t.co/VU3XRkofXA

@fireshoes #mtgeoe #mtgeternities

X · Aug 7, 2025, 11:51 PM

It feels less fragile

Errr, maybe less feast and famine is a better way to phrase it

[glad peak]

Sounds like commander alright

[golden plover]

I changed my mind on the cauldron vs Vivi ban. I want Vivi DEAD

Fair and interactive gameplay when they can win under a pinnacle starcage + RIP because proft gives Vivi 4 power out the gate and they get to play 14 cards

Couldn't even floodpits pin Vivi because he doesn't have to tap????

Vivi should've had prowess and have to tap

[tardy echo]

I wanna play a deck with ral very badly

[glad peak]

So yep I have way too many mana sources in my list, time to add back in my bully pieces

[copper pecan]

just played against a guy on arena whose username was "fartshidda47"

[glad peak]

He’s just a very big fan of a local rapper

[copper pecan]

more like a local crapper

[tardy echo]

Was he a smart fella

[copper pecan]

no he conceded to me dropping a ragavan on him turn 2

[tardy echo]

So he was a fart smella….

[last glen]

He who smelt it....

[glad peak]

made some adjustments, i have can easily get trades for the lands so why not https://moxfield.com/decks/QCfEa5aIFkGAd5Tqceq-3Q

what else am i missing

55 early mana sources, what am i thinking

[golden plover]

Healthy meta alert

[sleek ferry]

37 deck sample size in a bad tournament format has been the biggest click bait on Twitter today

[golden plover]

Yeah true it is only 37 decks

Still definitely worth keeping an eye on lol

[past socket]

@atomic harness your boy!

[atomic harness]

Oh wow!

[sleek ferry]

Also I heard somewhere that they mixed the rep for cauldron/prowess

Which matters since cauldron gets clapped by UW control

[golden plover]

Typically the two decks have been lumped together

They're slightly different archetypes yes, but they overlap on most cards and are being lumped together in a lot of data collection

[sleek ferry]

Cauldron having a significantly lower monster count matters a lot in this discussion

[gritty nest]

Apparently there’s a new pioneer simic deck that uses wandering minstrel

[atomic harness]

@golden plover @glad peak @sleek ferry what am I supposed to do if I have to be the responsible one at the table?

The other blue player I play w it is extremely selfish and is pretty much fine w letting the game end because he's saving his interaction for himself, or well he does it on a whim. Sometimes he'll pitch in, most of the time he won't

Of course I do try to be responsible and have stopped plenty of crazy win attempts before

But yday he could've saved us and kept the game going and potentially stop the combo kill but just let it. I even already used my interacts to stop the guy so I just needed one more form of assistance (either removal or counterspell)

Hell he even had path and a cspell on hand

but "it's funnier" if we all die

https://youtu.be/0-L1EvRjmIo?si=It39WeH3Q-AC22DG

also is this weird bait or prio bullying or whatever?

tl:dr guy says you want to interact as late as possible, and ideally your counterspells should be drawing out at least 3 (though realistically 2) cards from your opponents

[atomic harness]

It seems to involve a lot of politicking and saying stuff like "I can't answer it right now specifically due to the way my card works, but I can back up your answer if he has something else"

And some spiel about prio

[atomic harness]

Which he does do. say opp casts ad naus, guy in vid passes prio, other player on the table counters ad naus, opp also counters the counter

Then he finally pitches in and uses his specific counterspell that couldn't beat ad naus but beats the card protecting it

Anyway sorry if it's a lot, would love some insights

[twilit canyon]

kill them

the other blue player i mean

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

not even joking gang up on them until they get the message

[atomic harness]

is the message to be a responsible blue player

fwiw I'm the table's babysitter

[twilit canyon]

in a way

the reasoning is entirely just that u shouldnt feel obligated to be the anchor to a commander game

3 players is doable if your deck is good enough

[atomic harness]

I have let stuff gone thru b4 because I was sick of them being greedy little piggies but theyre just fine w it, so I guess that's the wrong approach

Yeah I have 1v3d a bunch before which is why I'm often archenemy. But I'm also the one making sure the table doesn't autodie to crazy 2ccs so

Tough lol

[twilit canyon]

in such a situation, i encourage just winning the game

[gritty nest]

dude also sounds like they have different standards of playing than what you want out of a game

sounds like he wants to play loki

[atomic harness]

Loki?

[gritty nest]

a trickster

[atomic harness]

They also love grief outing hatebears that are also keeping us in the game which then immediately kingmakes

Instead of just playing it slow and taking advantage of one guy being majorly dicked because they're inconvenienced too

e.g player A is mildly bothered by smth like Dennick but not a backbreaker

Dennick is the only thing keeping player C from immediately winning the next turn

I'm vibing w dennick also and doing some other value whatevers. I protected him from Player C's kill spell. Player A then outs it, which leads to player C winning

[twilit canyon]

theres no saving them

[gritty nest]

cooked

[atomic harness]

[stark skiff]

Yeah sounds like they want to do other stuff in commander games

It’s why not all pods/players are enjoyable.

[glad peak]

You should play slicer

That way he’s forced to do something, including concede

[vivid hatch]

Guys

Rate my yugioh deck

[sleek ferry]

Sounds like a pain in the ass person to play with tbh. It’s perfectly okay to not want to play your interaction vs non winning plays, but they should at the very least be politicking on potentially game winning spells

[atomic harness]

Yeah

[glad peak]

Just play slicer

[sleek ferry]

Slicer is a good way to speed up the table tbh

[atomic harness]

I dont understand him mudkip San, what if slicer dies bc he's only 3/4?

[glad peak]

You’re gonna buff him and also it’s surprisingly hard to kill him

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

Especially if you get him down turn 2 or 3 like you should aim for

That and some stax pieces and you got an aggro deck that you can politick attacks with

Like “kill the turbo player and I can get rid of my stax pieces since I’m trying to stop us from dying”

[atomic harness]

Thank you Mr mudkip

Oh some other good news, I got to pull off a super early archon of cruelty again w a dumb pet card

well, early by b3 standards bc I'm not actually playing high tier stuff

[glad peak]

Tbh a lot of problems can be fixed with “just play slicer”

[atomic harness]

What if I wanted to play birgi instead

[glad peak]

Then you die to stax pieces

[vivid hatch]

not current on cedh but

isn’t slicer kinda ass

[glad peak]

Slicer isn’t cedh playable, correct

[sleek ferry]

Slicer is ass if people see it coming

[atomic harness]

[[invasion of Amonkhet]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/231/invasion-of-amonkhet-lazotep-convert

Invasion of Amonkhet <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, each player mills three cards, then each opponent discards a card and you draw a card. (To mill three cards, a player puts the top three cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Defense: 4

Lazotep Convert
Creature — Zombie
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature card in a graveyard, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
As the lazotep covered his body, he heard Norn's voice fade from a deafening clarion to a distant whisper.
4/4

[vivid hatch]

I thought it was the premier actual aggro cedh deck

just like

still bad as fuck

[glad peak]

Slicer’s only good into ad naus metas

[vivid hatch]

borderline playable

[glad peak]

And we’re not in an ad naus meta (though ad naus is still very strong and one premier way to win)

Slicer also got hit hard with the crypt ban

[vivid hatch]

anyway cedh is a fake format

[atomic harness]

Sigh... the kids told me ad naus was still good Mr mudkip

[glad peak]

Commander in general is a fake format

Ad naus is still good, right now we’re just in a rhystic mystic meta

[vivid hatch]

the only real formats are pauper, premodern and casual edh

everything else is schizophrenia

[glad peak]

Wait you actually got 1 format right

[sleek ferry]

It’s okay, the meta will shift again soon. Thrasios went over a year without being a real consideration, now he’s part of the best deck in the format

[glad peak]

Thank you roggy poggy

[vivid hatch]

vintage is the best MTGO-exclusive format however

I’m genuinely curious as to the current actual paper playerbase of vintage

non-proxy

[atomic harness]

Sigh Mr mudkip, how come psychic frog got banned in legacy?

I don't actually remmber

[vivid hatch]

there’s the yearly Vegas event and what else

I think some Hareruya stores run vintage ?

[glad peak]

How do you feel about delver, one of the best creatures in legacy, but it does more things

[vivid hatch]

wait what they crept delver?

[glad peak]

Well delver itself isn’t great in legacy right now

[atomic harness]

Delver is washed little one

[vivid hatch]

did they print a direct upgrade to DoS

[atomic harness]

[vivid hatch]

muh 7 turn clock

[glad peak]

If you can’t slow your opponent down for 7 turns then you deserve to lose

The only real format is cube, everything else is fake