Nope
#Magic the Gathering
golden plover
glad peak
How would you be crazy 
Actually nah you are
Crazy ahead of your friends in skill level 
gritty nest
For thinking tomb was a good idea in dogmeat
I was told it would be bad because dogmeat requires colored mana
glad peak
glad peak
It’s like saying blood moon would be bad in a 2 color deck because you sometimes need the second color and not have basics for some reason
Or saying ruination is a bad card in mono red because I have some utility lands
Yes, people said that to me 
gritty nest
Is ashaya bad in a landfall deck moment
I was told sphere of safety needs to be a game changer
glad peak
Eh stuff like that I can understand
Salty people gonna salt
One of my friends told me to build them a tax deck (they were new to magic) and I built them a deliberately malicious deck (stax and the commander had 6 power specifically so 3 hits didnt kill just so I can increase game timer)
And then they took it apart because they got salty along with their opponents
gritty nest
Okay Satan, calm down
glad peak
I just wanted to troll a budding stax player, don’t worry
gritty nest
Next time make winconless stax with a 0 power commander
glad peak
It was jeska akroma I think
I might
But yeah it was hilarious watching them crumble in their hubris
Shes a good friend so she can’t say she didn’t expect it either
gritty nest
Fair
I’m thinking of building the new capenna mob bosses on a budget
Mainly lord Xander
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gritty nest
Use him as bait and play other threats was my idea
What do you mean by battle box btw
glad peak
A set of a couple decks only meant to play against each other
Usually a flavor or set thing
glad peak
He reads a “oh my god he can’t touch the table”
He reads that way but trust me he’s nowhere near as good
gritty nest
Ah okay, and yeah, I figured
I just wanted to build him ever since I first got into Magic, since that set was the set that got me into the game
I read him and my inner bad player went “I need it”
glad peak
Makes sense
If you want a capenna deck that plays pretty well, you’re going to want raffine
Falco’s interesting but fundamentally a combo deck you’re going to need to study if you play him
gritty nest
[[raffine, scheming]]
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Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward 
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4
gritty nest
This dude?
subtle sierra
it's mr i die to cut down...
gritty nest
[[cut down]]
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glad peak
Yep, raffine’s good
subtle sierra
yeah raffine is cute
gritty nest
I’m probably gonna do all of them over time, henzie last though
No ziatora is the leader right?
zinc shard
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcements-july-28-2025
The EoE commanders are coming to Arena
trail anvil
they usually do
sleek ferry
There’s like 5 better ways they could have built this https://x.com/kingoftraitors/status/1949691111947350330?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
X
If you’re going to play Kona surprise, at least do it right
sleek ferry
magic players cant help themselves
Oh Misty, I’m tweaking this list for locals since I think this is a solid base, but could be way better. On first glance what changes would you make? https://x.com/karsten_frank/status/1948068014974238893?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
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twilit canyon
synth is kind of mid in this list
leyline axe is bad
glyph is cute but they didnt commit to all 4 nutrient blocks or glyphs? kind of cowardly
munitions factory is actually good and missing from here
pairs really well with extruder
which likely should be a 4 of
sleek ferry
I had the same assumption about axe, seemed like cheap “haha free affinity” but at that point you could literally just play the dragon mox lol (don’t do this it’s bad)
twilit canyon
i'd also likely wager this would want to be jeskai or grixis
grixis brings better removal
sleek ferry
Jeskai for sure
twilit canyon
jeskai better draw
ik some ppl have tried food fight but i dont love it
tezzeret is still good but better if u are on grixis
sleek ferry
If you roll Jeskai, I think you can cut synth/relegate it to the side tbh, and smoothen your curve a bit to be more threatening
twilit canyon
you dont want synth regardless
very few cards trigger it well here
its either synth or emissary and emissary is goated with the sauce
sleek ferry
[[synthesizer labship]]
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twilit canyon
this is okay
not legendary is nice and all but u really wanna be jeskai then cus u are hand dumping with no draw
zinc shard
So I just found a neat interaction
If you play [[Etali, Primal Conqurer]] , and exile one of the FF lands with an adventure half, it lets you cast the adventure half along with the two nonland cards you hit
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zinc shard
[[Etali, Primal Conqueror]]
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Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Trample
When Etali enters, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
: Transform Etali. Activate only as a sorcery.
7/7
Etali, Primal Sickness
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elder Dinosaur
Trample, indestructible
Whenever Etali deals combat damage to a player, they get that many poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
The contagion spreads and the Multiverse quakes.
11/11
glad peak
Yep, meets all conditions and is a land so you get an extra exile
atomic harness
I've been building raffine irl @gritty nest
atomic harness
it's mr i die to cut down...
Ms I die to cut down 
glad peak
Mr creatures die to removal
atomic harness
Mr people die when they are killed
atomic harness
I've been building raffine irl <@201112260725309440>
Also what's the bracket of your pods usually, b2-low b3?
stark skiff
Theres a bundle that comes with the precon and the Secret Lair. I actually really like this idea of a SLD as a supplement to commander decks, but of course the price sucks for these.
gritty nest
I've been building raffine irl <@201112260725309440>
How’s that been going?
And b3, it’s rare we play precon level
atomic harness
It's alright. Usually you want to stick a t2 value engine card
t3 raffine and go from there
gritty nest
The secret lair for counter intelligence, is it more helpful for Kilo at the helm or Inspirit?
atomic harness
It's alright. Usually you want to stick a t2 value engine card
t3 raffine and g...
say [[dark confidant]] or [[psychic frog]]
gritty nest
Psychic frog looks like such a funny card
atomic harness
It's really strong
then some of the important cards are [[monument to endurance]] and [[currency converter]]
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Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, you may exile that card from your graveyard.
, 
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Put a card exiled with this artifact into your graveyard. If it's a land card, create a Treasure token. If it's a nonland card, create a 2/2 black Rogue creature token.
gritty nest
So does it play like esper aggro with a counter subtheme or control?
glad peak
Psychic frog is incredibly powerful
atomic harness
She's pretty flexible. I'm playing it control-ish with a lot of hatebears but you might get the ire of the table
Main wincon is usually swinging with a fat Raffine at someone
You can also go reanimator
glad peak
Love that lil guy
gritty nest
Yeah, modern staple at one point wasn’t it?
atomic harness
Still is!
glad peak
Wouldn’t say staple but you’d go into black to play it yep
Depends on format but not really
glad peak
I don’t think it really ever was outside of that brief stint in standard
atomic harness
stuff like [[deep analysis]] or [[prismatic strands]] make for good connive fodder
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Sorcery
Target player draws two cards.
Flashback—
, Pay 3 life. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"No fact escapes me. Why do you think you can?"
glad peak
It gets played sometimes in modern in limited amounts
gritty nest
[[raffine, scheming]]
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Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4
atomic harness
you either use raw card advantage to plus off connive (since it's card neutral) or pitch things that work in the graveyard
gritty nest
ah okay
glad peak
Run hashaton in it
atomic harness
don't rly need to lean too hard into the +1/+1 counters raff does it for you
[[ledger shredder]]
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gritty nest
I forgor what connive did (I thought it was ass when I first got into the game)
Then I realized the flashback costs existed
glad peak
Don’t worry, everyone thought it was ass and then ledger shredder started seeing play
gritty nest
Makes sense
In 60 card with dupes yeah, I was mainly (and still am technically) a commander first player
glad peak
Turns out drawing and cycling useless lands is good
gritty nest
So I thought it was extra ass
atomic harness
esper sentinel ofc if you have it
since raffine can buff it 
[[pollywog prodigy]] is the milder version that works also
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gritty nest
I would play standard but I dislike rotation, and modern I heard is not cheap
glad peak
You don’t really use connive for the buff but it is an option
atomic harness
t2 prodigy t3 raff try to buff your froge to get it online
gritty nest
Do you run [[twenty toed toad]]
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glad peak
Modern’s probably still one of the most fun ways to play but damn did it get more rough
gritty nest
I heard pauper recently banned uh
atomic harness
hmm idts
gritty nest
[[mycosynth wellspring]]?
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gritty nest
No ichor i think
Then they made ichor on crack in EoE as a common
Oh nvm, I feel dumb
I thought they banned ichor because of sneaky snacker shenanigans
glad peak
Rip bully
Well it’s still playable but not as good
They really banned a ton of cards just to deal with variants of bully
gritty nest
Bully?
sleek ferry
Don’t worry, everyone thought it was ass and then ledger shredder started seeing...
False, I called ledger shredder being broken in this chat while everybody called it bad
glad peak
Bully?
Deck revolving around artifacts that draw cards on etb and/or ltb and creatures that bounce as a bonus cost, sometimes spells that sac as cost too
Lot of times the artifacts also filtered colors
sleek ferry
2026 will be the year of Oswald
stark skiff
The secret lair for counter intelligence, is it more helpful for Kilo at the hel...
its more artifact support so it can fit in either.
glad peak
I mean, Oswald isn’t a bad deck
gritty nest
its more artifact support so it can fit in either.
Thank you
gritty nest
Deck revolving around artifacts that draw cards on etb and/or ltb and creatures ...
I see
glad peak
Speaking of which, my friend really copypasta’d an Oswald deck from online and brought it to our pod without knowing how to play it
stark skiff
Speaking of which, my friend really copypasta’d an Oswald deck from online and b...
thats how i make my decks
glad peak
He immediately took it apart after I took the deck off his hands and showed him what it can do
Aka stax then infinite counterspells with some bs combo
sleek ferry
I mean, Oswald isn’t a bad deck
I’m talking about Oswald is going to get Yuriko level support in 2026
glad peak
So not much support? 
glad peak
She hasn’t gotten much support recently
Heliod got more support than expected in edging eternities
gritty nest
Edging of wallets
glad peak
If you want to play cheap no proxy cedh (bad format btw, play with proxies) then play heliod
gritty nest
I’m proxying at cedh level
On an unrelated note, I was told I got a god tier box of EoE
sleek ferry
Surely if you don’t want to proxy, Magda/lumrra are the best decks
sleek ferry
Lumrra also just keeps getting randomly buffed
gritty nest
Loading zone, icetill
gritty nest
Lumrra also just keeps getting randomly buffed
Right? Gonna be insane one day
atomic harness
Is there a functional difference between city of brass-chan and confluence
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Land
Whenever this land becomes tapped, it deals 1 damage to you.
: Add one mana of any color.
"There is much to learn here, but few can endure the ringing of the spires." —Nulakam the Archivist
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Land
, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color.
Five rivers encircle Theros, flowing with waters more ancient than the world itself.
sleek ferry
All these decks that play niche cards specific to them are usually pretty cheap cedh wise. Magda, Lumra, Yuriko
stark skiff
we can force tap city of ass
twilit canyon
pay 1 life: add one mana of any color
atomic harness
does the difference come up
twilit canyon
if city of brass is tapped for anything that isnt mana, you still take 1
gritty nest
Someone can force tap brass, or chromatic lantern doesn’t get around the damage
While lantern does for confluence
sleek ferry
You don’t get pinged by city of brass on the turn you played the one ring iirc
atomic harness
Confluence it is then 
twilit canyon
deals 1 damage to you does mean if u have protection
gritty nest
Run both?
twilit canyon
you do avoid the damage from one ring
sleek ferry
Which is relevant for ad naus decks
stark skiff
Confluence it is then <:nukgar:1168911650397638857>
but city of brass has a final fantasy skin so go for it
atomic harness
but city of brass has a final fantasy skin so go for it
Rich
gritty nest
but city of brass has a final fantasy skin so go for it
It does?
gritty nest
Well shit
Besides birds, bloom tender, and faeburrow elder, what are some goated mana dorks in naya?
golden plover
Ya know, now that she rotates tomorrow I guess she missed her window, but it's always surprised me [[Myrell]] never saw play
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gritty nest
[[myriel, shield of]]
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atomic harness
shield of argive
golden plover
[[Myrel, Shield of]]
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gritty nest
Bruh
golden plover
Like I expected her to be a sideboard option, or as a fringe card in the 99 in cedh
gritty nest
Myrel seems awesome
gritty nest
I use her in [[eowyn, shieldmaiden]]
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gritty nest
Like, other than that I’ve never seen her used
glad peak
lumra's alright, mono green is very rough
plays well in other decks but i don't like her alone
the best nonproxy cedh deck is magda though
i still love how some variants of cedh magda are playable in bracket 1
copper pecan
i keep losing to [[mana tithe]]
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Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Those who seek to upset the balance must be taxed for such ambitions." —Verithain, mesa high priest
copper pecan
it's frustrating because it doesn't show up often enough for it to make sense to play around it but then when it does show up i get completely blown out
sleek ferry
GG I pulled a borderless foil Phlage out of my collectors sample pack
Off a commander deck I won for $7
glad peak
good, now sell it
sleek ferry
Nah, imma start hitting locals a lot more for modern/standard
tardy echo
This ketramose deck is so sick I almost wanna build it @sleek ferry
Surely new stuff from edging is really good for it
sleek ferry
This ketramose deck is so sick I almost wanna build it <@304354673647812608>
Edging has some nice stuff for it yeah. Honestly eoe has some nice stuff for a lot of decks, plus with rotation happening, a lot of the meta is going to be fresh
lapis viper
The secret lair for counter intelligence, is it more helpful for Kilo at the hel...
Neither really? The only card that would realistically see play is ravager and foundry inspector
Ravager is better for kilo, foundry is fine in either
gritty nest
Fair
subtle sierra
Maybe I will try the ketramose guu…
Ketramose is a fraud...
glad peak
You should play both
tardy echo
Ketramose = noob
? Exile your opinion
atomic harness
? Exile your opinion
You are outnumbered
subtle sierra
My internet is either dead, or mtga servers can't handle the edging
subtle sierra
It's kinda bad
tardy echo
Sigh
The end
Deadly cover up
Sheltered by ghosts
Exiles aren’t exactly hard to come by in standard vrother
subtle sierra
Too expensive to set up and end/deadly only exile 4
Unless you collect evidence for a lot
tardy echo
You can overpay by exiling lands
subtle sierra
Having a doomblade that exiles was kinda the thing that glued ketramose together
Ok but you still have to mill the lands
And I don't see ketramose lands running mill besides thriump discards or surveil lands
tardy echo
Idt anoint is as important as u think
The one Timmy who ran ladder over with it all the time even stopped playing it
tardy echo
When the deck is basically only played by one guy I don’t have much other reference point
subtle sierra
Like i know warp helps ketramose but but those aren't the reactive cards the deck usually wants
tardy echo
This is less like “one guy didn’t run it” and more like “the only person who’s notable for playing this deck doesn’t play it”
subtle sierra
Ok then fair
tardy echo
For the record I do not think the deck is actually good and I don’t think it secretly gets better post rotation
But it’s not like losing anoint makes it unplayable
sleek ferry
my egg pulls were crazy
subtle sierra
i'm still getting timeouts
prob eu servers dying
guess i'm playing bg3 this evening
sleek ferry
Servers are literally crapping themselves
I don't even remember this happening during FF
EOE > FF confirmed
subtle sierra
i think it's moreso rotation
glad peak
What do people think of my cloud list?
Idk what to say, I don’t really like this list ngl but it’s no one big reason, it’s a lot of different small ones
golden plover
You would think by now arena would have a set release that didn't crash it and bug out
They've only been doing this for 6 years, you'd think they'd get an idea of how a set release works
storm elbow
Got some fire egg pulls
Me watching my chickens hatch
subtle sierra
i literally pulled nothing i need from the egg
and i only pulled the bad fountainport
lusty trench
I think my partner a stomping ground, darkness, paradox haze and the mono red haste warp mythic in their prerelease kit
tardy echo
Why is ranked currently closed
subtle sierra
servers shitting themselves prob
tardy echo
Sigh
New stuff feels nice in pixie
Elegy acolyte feels like a cheaper annex and they gave another self bounce flyer
Not flash unfortunately but kirin is simply broken
golden plover
Can't test it on ranked yet, but this has potential
@tardy echo look I'm testing pixie too
tardy echo
Considering playing [[starfield shepherd]]
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Creature — Angel
Flying
When this creature enters, search your library for a basic Plains card or a creature card with mana value 1 or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/2
golden plover
I'm on Jeskai lol
tardy echo
Holy you’re beyond saving
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tardy echo
I’ve been bouncing anticausal vestige 
golden plover
The idea of this is entity tracker, [[Cosmogrand Zenith]], and rediscover the way to out value them
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golden plover
I miss this town
tardy echo
I miss hopeless nightmare…
tardy echo
L
subtle sierra
ok non ranked is unplayable
i either face some nonsense that doesn't work or they scoop when i cast stock up
golden plover
Lmao true
tardy echo
I activated tinybones and they discarded wilt leaf lieges on t1
golden plover
I've played against 3 hare apparent decks, 1 Vivi Cauldron, and 1 Gruul "rares I own" deck
tardy echo
And then I activated tinybones again on turn 2 and they discarded wilt leaf AGAIN
golden plover
I activated tinybones and they discarded wilt leaf lieges on t1
Tbf that was a sideboard tech in that format
tardy echo
I know
But this is a BEST OF ONE UNRANKED LADDER MATCH
AND HE KEPT 7
And drew two
golden plover
My deck is popping off at least
subtle sierra
💀
tardy echo
I smoked the fraud
golden plover
But 3 hare apparent decks don't count
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golden plover
Lemme test it in mythic WoTC
subtle sierra
i want to test how bad quantum riddler is in control
golden plover
Zenith is putting in a ton of work
tardy echo
It seems ok
subtle sierra
yeah that's a bit too much tempo for my tastes
sleek ferry
Alright, this is the most lukewarm take ever, but the anthem spaceship is nice
Deck is fun to nobody’s surprise
subtle sierra
ranked unlocked
sleek ferry
[[seam rip]]
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subtle sierra
it's portable hole but enchantment
this is like, i just wanted to test it, i added some to the side, i go second g2, they t2 roots it and i immediately remove it
sleek ferry
Rip
subtle sierra
roots taking Ls left and right
twilit canyon
i've betrayed myself <@480437470870110209>
subtle sierra
also the golgari brood revive guy is better than i gave it credit
but you have to pivot roots into mill reanimator
they even managed to get out some guy that spammed like 10 insects but i just nuked them with fumigate
sleek ferry
Station Monitor is probably not real, but the t3's you get off it + emissary are insane
hmm both station monitor and weapons manufacturer are full affinity on t3
I need a sac outlet that's also an artifact in jeskai colors
that isn't cope
fallow citrus
I think extruder or repurposing bay are the least cope
slagdrill scrapper is the same as extruder
sleek ferry
[[slagdrill scrapper]]
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Artifact Creature — Robot Scout
, , Sacrifice another artifact or land: Draw a card.
"Who cares if it rips the asteroid apart? We got what we needed." —Viya, Kav moxite baron
1/2
sleek ferry
Eh extruder jt is
golden plover
Currently 4-1 with the Jeskai deck. Feels like it might be the move going forward
fallow citrus
what's your list?
sleek ferry
what's your list?
Ignore the land count as I don’t currently have perfect lands due to lack of wildcards, but this is my initial build which I assume I’m going to change a lot as I test more
fallow citrus
not playing the artifact land or just dont have the wc for it?
sleek ferry
don't have the wc for it
I do kinda want to fit in the anthem spacecraft
since you create a bajillion tokens
I'll probably just test between it and weapon manufacturer
glad peak
Always
And that’s before I opened up the decklist
Oh I can see the amounts on the post
5???
gritty nest
Swords/path, counterspell, loran, and vandalblast
glad peak
That’s way too little
gritty nest
I’m thinking of adding generous gift, stroke of midnight, and the new stroke of midnight from EoE that creates a lander
glad peak
Gonna need to double or even triple that amount
glad peak
Cut all of the “generically good humans” pile ngl
Unless you have a combo with combat celebrant
gritty nest
Not that I’m aware of
Warmonger gives menace to my board when I swing, which technically doesn’t matter with riders of gavony
Or just mass pumping my board
glad peak
If youre attacking with big things then evasion doesn’t matter, you wipe the board or kill them
gritty nest
~~don’t question why I run grand arbiter ~~
glad peak
Eh I don’t mind that one too much but it’s a weak card
gritty nest
Fair
glad peak
Both thalias are pretty weak here too
gritty nest
He was there purely for a removal magnet and funny
glad peak
Pretty sure 36 lands with all of those rocks are too much, cut down on one of those sections
Rocks without lands is just bad land drops and lands without rocks is just no progress
sleek ferry
Angel player surrenders when he realizes he has 0 win con
trail anvil
I just strip mined someone t1 for the first time, this feels dirty
gritty nest
Pretty sure 36 lands with all of those rocks are too much, cut down on one of th...
Thought vessel, Verge Rangers, and Reliquary Tower are my first ideas for cuts
glad peak
Yeah, never run reliquary tower
Horrible card, idk why people run it ever
Thought vessel can stay because it’s 2 mana rock for 1 mana but you don’t really need it
gritty nest
I’ll cut that then
glad peak
Almost any rock 3 or more mana isn’t worth it unless there’s an actual effect
Like cursed mirror, that’s a situationally good one
gritty nest
I probably don’t need lantern with how my mana base is lol
Hear me out
[[honored heirloom]] instead of thought vessel
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Exile target card from a graveyard.
After the Travails, Runechanters set about repairing twisted symbols of Avacyn as the first step in restoring faith in the Church.
past socket
Why are we comparing Vessel and Heirloom?
gritty nest
Because when do you ever need no max hand size
past socket
Very rarely.
Mostly if your deck cares about hand size and drawing, but decks like that either come with cards that can help with that anyways or sometimes you might even benefit from discarding to hand size
gritty nest
Yeah
I was looking at it as I figured heirloom could put in more work for me than vessel
glad peak
Heirloom is a no
Though the grave hate is useful, not as useful to pay so much for it
But yes technically it has more uses than vessel
Vessel just being 2 mana is why I would prefer having it though
past socket
I personally would cut Tower and Vessel for more lands. Couldn’t say what Lands specifically but I tend to go 36-38 lands personally and mana rocks don’t exactly compensate for not seeing your land drops even with other benefits
gritty nest
That’s fair, rn my main thing is adding removal since I only have 5 pieces lol
past socket
Yeah could replace Tower with some other land and Vessel for something like Generous Gift or Stroke of Modnight
gritty nest
While I’m thinking about it, rising of the day, 2 drop that gives creatures haste. Cut?
past socket
About the same mana as Loran but honestly worth it for how versatile they are
gritty nest
I’ll replace tower with borderless mana confluence
Nah that’ll probably go in yshtola instead
past socket
The only lands I can think of that can also act as removal for Jeskai are Talon Gates of Madara, even if phasing is temporary and Otowara for its channel ability though Otowara might not be in your price range
Do you feel you’re lacking in any particular mana?
gritty nest
Chromatic
past socket
Oh, yeah I am not a fan of it either
gritty nest
I think it’s great for 5c or budget mana bases
But I’m realizing with my optimized land base it’s not as helpful
past socket
Reminds me that I pulled an Elegant Parlor recently, going into Satya easily
gritty nest
Understandable
I pulled ancient tomb and almost put it in Ulalek (with 20 ramp pieces)
Put it in dog meat instead
glad peak
you probably should do some math to figure out how much mana you really need
gritty nest
I usually count up the pips then divide by 2 for what I need
glad peak
don't ask me tho, i'm not bored enough to pull up the hypergeometric calculator
gritty nest
Fair lol
past socket
Used one for YGO but not sure on how you’d calc with MTG stuff
Happy to stick with 36-38 due to just believing that seeing your first five puts you in a pretty good place
past socket
Oh like how Moxfield and Archidekt have those
past socket
Yeah I’m pretty aware of there being a lot of nuances around land counts
Like Rograkh/Ardenn not needing that much
To have an example
glad peak
mana rocks mess with land counts quite a lot
also the amount of draw you have messes with land counts
past socket
Extremely easy to have Rog and Ardenn by turn 3 and Ardenn making sure you don’t need to worry about equip costs either
Yeah
Overall curve, rocks/dorks, card draw
General gameplan context
Like it’s funny to have a curve that requires context of different outliers
Like playing Ghalta, Primal Hunger in a Stompy deck
Or decks built around cheating cards into play
Like you aren’t exactly looking out for 8 lands over the game for Call Fprth The Tempest in a Magar deck
gritty nest
I put cards in a cut section. Anything I’m forgetting ?
I’m on mobile so archidekt is being a pain
glad peak
the stax pieces aren't really good
if you want aggro based stax, then you want armageddon
glad peak
yep
since if you play aggro then you want to build a board then make sure your opponent's can't do anything about it
just making them pay 1 more is usually not enough
mother of runes but no giver of runes?
gritty nest
I know I’ll instantly get told that I’m being unfair for doing that
[[giver of runes]]
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: Another target creature you control gains protection from colorless or from the color of your choice until end of turn.
She provides marks of protection to those she chooses as family.
1/2
gritty nest
Not human
glad peak
gonna want esper sentinel too
i don't care, it's stepmom
if you run mom then you run stepmom
gritty nest
I keep forgetting about rhystic buddy
past socket
It is indeed human if a bit of a cyborg
gritty nest
i don't care, it's stepmom <:KEKW:622347587516628993>
I care, I don’t like step mom
past socket
We don’t appreciate broken homes here /j
gritty nest
Exactly
glad peak
damn i guess you don't like stepchild (skrelv) either
gritty nest
Defector mite?
glad peak
yep
gritty nest
Izzet/azorius/boros?
past socket
Ding ding for Jeskai
glad peak
I know I’ll instantly get told that I’m being unfair for doing that
i mean, you're playing an aggro deck and you need to end the game quick and armageddon does that, how is that unfair
gritty nest
“ItS MlD!” Is what I’ll hear
Regardless of how quick they die
What do you think of [[akromas will]] as a win effect?
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glad peak
tbh in cases like this evasion and team buffs might as well be MLD lmao
use akroma's will
past socket
Player removal is the best removal
glad peak
but yes MLD should be more accepted
glad peak
people who aren't fine with MLD have a skill issue
gritty nest
I think land destruction should be normalized
I had someone t1 cavern of souls, I strip mined that fucker
glad peak
btw you should run [[standstill]] as an aggro deck
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gritty nest
Elaborate
past socket
I’m a bit either way on MLD. Still gotta think of the social aspects, building a deck around it sounds like a lot of fun but it comes down to the pod you’re in ultimately.
glad peak
you have a board and want to make sure no one else casts anything? play standstill and keep beating people in the face
if you're building purely for social gameplay then you just don't play aggro, combo, control, or voltron
even midrange is probably too mean
gritty nest
I’m a bit either way on MLD. Still gotta think of the social aspects, building a...
100%, I just mean that I don’t think people should get away with playing a problem land and expecting nobody to deal with it
I’m 100% nuking your cradle
past socket
Strip Mining or Generous Gifting someone’s Nykthos is a whole different beast really
glad peak
if someone's playing cradle and expecting no one to do anything about it then they're the problem player
gritty nest
if you're building purely for social gameplay then you just don't play aggro, co...
Everyone I play with plays b3 but has b1 mindset
Free unlimited mulligans and no cuts
glad peak
straight up people really complain a bunch of mid cards are cedh when they're not and yet they play cradle? gtfoh
gritty nest
Bro
past socket
Definitely not a fan of some of the arguments among those who defend MLD
gritty nest
This dude that I blew up their cavern, they were playing proxy 5c gods tribal
With all 10 dual lands
past socket
Particularly the point about being your best defence against green decks in casual
The problem I have with that has nothing to do with it being taboo, more so that the green player is probably the likeliest to recover
glad peak
the only thing i don't like about MLD is that it's a multi piece combo and if you don't have the other pieces then it's just boring and nothing happens
glad peak
This dude that I blew up their cavern, they were playing proxy 5c gods tribal
oh hey this sounds like one of my friends, he started learning after i blood mooned him for the 20th time
glad peak
Play 4 lands cast Armageddon = banned
nah this is fine, most cases turn 4 does nothing and people have plenty of lands still
gritty nest
One game he played esper mill
golden plover
God rediscover the way feels so good
past socket
They greeded for that hand, huh
golden plover
Love getting to stock up every turn and make it do whatever I need
gritty nest
nah this is fine, most cases turn 4 does nothing and people have plenty of lands...
I just mean wiping everything with no follow up is annoying as shit
glad peak
I blew up both rocks on t3 and he called me a douche
oh hey i remember this story, fully deserved even though mill is trash
also this is a format of mana rocks, the easiest answer to MLD
gritty nest
I had someone nevrinyals disk + mycosynth on turn 6 because of toxic 3
past socket
A big part of why people aren’t fans of Farewell
gritty nest
oh hey i remember this story, fully deserved even though mill is trash <:icant:1...
Is that why you suggested the signets + Armageddon?
glad peak
no, those are for very different reasons
signets are so you cut down on bad 3 mana rocks and armageddon is because you're playing a big board centric deck
glad peak
lantern, sphere, and if you add the signets, then vessel
verge rangers is pretty bad too
glad peak
i don't like herald's horn but it's sort of a draw 1 so why not
gritty nest
And reduction iirc
glad peak
the reduction won't really matter too much
i don't like either of those wipes
winds i like a bit more
but you don't really need wipes
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gritty nest
My humans deck is already really tuned, just needs some minor changes and it can probably compete in b4
gritty nest
Too slow?
gritty nest
Ah
glad peak
the wrong stax piece means you give someone a free win
gritty nest
Should I keep the 3 stax cards if I plan to consider the deck b4 then?
glad peak
i can't remember is [[drannith magistrate]] was a human
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gritty nest
Yeah
glad peak
nope, the 3 you labled aren't stax pieces and they're not really good here
you want stuff like [[winter orb]] to really solidify any advantage you get
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gritty nest
Ah
I low key want to keep arbiter because I love the art but I get it
~~I’ll just cut the 3 stax pieces for 3 Armageddons and call it ~~
Seriously though
glad peak
i mean, wouldn't be the worst idea
get a board, protect your board, lock down lands and beat face
solid plan
might be a bit weak for b4 but eh
gritty nest
I need to add a tef pro tbh
Armageddon then tef pro in top of it just to be extra mean
glad peak
might want some rule of law effects too
not sure which rule of law effects are in humans
gritty nest
[[rule of law]]
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glad peak
[[ethersworn canonist]] maybe
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glad peak
basically make it so your combo players have to deal with the board and face some pressure
instead of doing the smol bean routine and winning the game out of nowhere
gritty nest
As soon as I get to break I’ll start cutting more stuff
Yeah, like Storm shenanigans
glad peak
you can definitely streamline this deck more
make it leaner and have a more fleshed out plan
gritty nest
Could add in the tutor humans if my power is right
glad peak
[[ranger-captain of eos]]
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gritty nest
Like [[recruiter of the guard]] I think is the name
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glad peak
the tutor humans are good-ish
just too expensive
what is good here though is [[rick]]
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glad peak
[[rick, steadfast]]
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gritty nest
MV wise or money wise?
glad peak
MV wise for the effect
glad peak
oh wait you already have rick
glad peak
the more silence effects the better
speaking of which, depending on your playgroup you might want silence
gritty nest
Oh like grand abolisher?
glad peak
no literally silence
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glad peak
skip the turn of a storm player so you can nuke them
but with rule of law stuff you might not need it
don't run literally rule of law though, that give no pressure
gritty nest
[[high noon]]
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Enchantment
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
, Sacrifice this enchantment: It deals 5 damage to any target.
They both knew only one of them would walk away.
gritty nest
Seriously though
I’m reading this going “do I actually play b3 or just bastardized b2?”
If that makes any sense
gritty nest
I did say that technically
But Armageddon is a b4 card basically right?
I ask because that was what started all this
glad peak
Depends, I forgor the game changers rules
gritty nest
B3 and below is no Mass Land Denial
glad peak
In that case yep
glad peak
You can do that and then add in some 2 card combos
But you said only humans which is kind of a big ask if you want 2 card combos
gritty nest
Yeah, the goal of the deck was just turn sideways with humans originally
glad peak
Good news, with these 2 card combos you can repeatedly turn humans sideways
gritty nest
Let me guess neheb/assault shenanigans but humans related
past socket
Swinging time
glad peak
Nope, just stuff that says extra combats
I think there’s enough of that in humans to facilitate
glad peak
Eh it’s fine, it’s practice for me to make a casual deck
Mainly because erinis street urchin isn’t playable in cedh
gritty nest
[[erinis]]
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[[street urchin]]
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice another creature or an artifact: This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Your harsh upbringing on the streets of the city left you crafty, resilient, and wise beyond your years.
gritty nest
Sounds disgusting
On an unrelated note, do you think $60 usd would be a decent enough budget to build a precon level deck?
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice another creature or an artifact: This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Your harsh upbringing on the streets of the city left you crafty, resilient, and wise beyond your years.
glad peak
On an unrelated note, do you think $60 usd would be a decent enough budget to bu...
more than enough
gritty nest
Awesome
tardy echo
New set really wants me to play blue I pulled 3 weftwalking from egg
stark skiff
Huh the Jund SLD sold out
subtle sierra
apparently if you pinnacle starcage a bird person they forfeit the whole match g1
arena's ui can't handle it
zinc shard
oh boy cant wait to see what I get outta my renewal gift..
gritty nest
Huh the Jund SLD sold out
That crucible of worlds looked fire tbh
gritty nest
Looked through my bulk. Found all 3 signets, a tef pro, and some cheap removal
I’ll be picking up a generous gift and abrade on Friday
golden plover
God playing against the Tifa Landfall deck really just feels like I'm trying to race a slot machine. They either get everything and one-tap you or they do nothing and it doesn't feel like I've got enough control over which
lapis viper
Sup Rennethy
sleek ferry
God playing against the Tifa Landfall deck really just feels like I'm trying to ...
the deck is so bad, that's what makes it feel worse
"oh damn, you had double snake skin veil? Guess I lose"
golden plover
"oh damn, you had double snake skin veil? Guess I lose"
Literally. Like I might as well flip a fucking coin
If I've got two removal spells and they don't have two snakeskin they just lose
But every once in a while they just do 48 damage on t4 out of nowhere
sleek ferry
Strategic betrayal stocks are up for that reason, among others
golden plover
True, unfortunately I'm on Jeskai rn
sleek ferry
I also just realized I’ve been playing around cut down even though it rotated lol
golden plover
Yeah I've been having to remind myself the same
tardy echo
God playing against the Tifa Landfall deck really just feels like I'm trying to ...
My experience with the stupid fucking dimir reanimator sack turbo deck
Makes me unreasonably violent when they play fallaji into zombify revive valvagoth on turn 4
golden plover
Rest in Peace time bby
tardy echo
In no world am I going to main deck that card
And since its end of season I’m just playing Bo1
sleek ferry
I’ve seen some mono white deck maining it + counsel, I was like wtf are we doing here
tardy echo
Traumatized by gruul
I played against Boros burn maining authority yesterday while I was playing pixie
Funniest shit ever
He discarded 2 and then played the 3rd like was this really a keep 7 hand
Pixie has been goated though
Seam rip + new lockdown + elegy acolyte all goated
golden plover
I mean, I just board in 3 RIP
There's enough graveyard stuff rn (Viv Goddamn Cauldron) that I wanna kill and hitting random strays like Reanimator and Raise the Past is ideal
tardy echo
And since its end of season I’m just playing Bo1
.
tardy echo
And I have a good enough time playing into vivi + the sac deck is so ass
So as to not warrant needing to main rip
golden plover
Raise the Past is so close to feeling good
tardy echo
Sometimes I just have to be okay getting sacked
golden plover
I just dunno how it gets there
tardy echo
Autolost to temp lockdown autoloses to new lockdown
I will simply never lose to it
I will say it feels a little worst in pixie now that you can’t reuse all your own enchantments for free
golden plover
I'm debating if I should be boarding that in Jeskai "Pixie"
But it doesn't reset all of our stuff
tardy echo
It’s still lockdown 
Imo it’s not like the combo aspect was why you played it in the first place it’s still just an incredible effect into aggro/certain combo decks
golden plover
I mean I'm playing a much more "combo" heavy pixie build
So it's not as good for me, but might be better in the side than pyroclasm
twilit canyon
if im not looking up hyper specifics, untapped.gg is good enough
as is mtggoldfish
and mtgtop8
twilit canyon
when i work with cfb i use their internal spreadsheet
golden plover
But that's moreso early into a format to get a feel and also if there's any specific techs I should be looking for
gritty nest
Everything that’s going in humans
(ignore the boros signet i couldnt find a real one)
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golden plover
Lmao they managed to make the basic land lairs look reasonable
Bonus cards for the EoE lairs
You get a single basic
golden plover
They're cool, but this is somehow worse than the 1 of each land for $20 option lol
gritty nest
The endstone and the 6 drop sami aren’t good for standard right?
golden plover
Nah, most likely unplayable
gritty nest
Ik tifa is being used in standard for mono green landfall, but have you guys seen her in commander?
I ask because I built her and she seems very swingy
zinc shard
Dont mind if I do
atomic harness
Not too much
glad peak
i know a decent amount
they're boring af and overrated for what they do
they have an infinite coin flip combo though so that's fun
actually decent might be an understatement, played them a lot when i first started playing and they're what caused me to hate kindred decks, slivers exemplify how boring you can make magic
trail anvil
I like having ramping strength on creatures but it is worth noting slivers are typically very weak to board wipes. also if you're playing them people will rightfully recognize you as a threat lol
lapis viper
I like having ramping strength on creatures but it is worth noting slivers are t...
Naturally
They do indeed just shit out like 400 dudes
glad peak
No better feeling than blocking all your slivers then killing a lord to 30 for 1 you
tardy echo
The sliver card in eoe feels so odd for the fact that there’s no other sliver stuff anywhere in the set or even in standard
copper pecan
neither of those have effects that specifically suggest you build decks based around those types
the sliver card does
last glen
are there cards that are every creature type or copy
lapis viper
are there cards that are every creature type or copy
Shapeshifters
[[formless genesis]]
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last glen
I mean in EoE
lapis viper
Oh there's like one I think
sleek ferry
Thrumming hive pool can easily just be looked at like a scaling skrelv’s hive
glad peak
[[zoraline]]
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Legendary Creature — Bat Cleric
Flying, vigilance
Whenever a Bat you control attacks, you gain 1 life.
Whenever Zoraline enters or attacks, you may pay 
and 2 life. When you do, return target nonland permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it.
3/3
copper pecan
I mean in EoE
there's [[mutavault]] on the bonus sheet but other than that there aren't any as far as i know
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Land
: Add 
.
: This land becomes a 2/2 creature with all creature types until end of turn. It's still a land.
Some worlds possess a hidden core where life's essence constantly surges.
tardy echo
I mean it’s the same for Eldrazi
Well the eldrazi isn’t literally an eldrazi synergy card
And neither is goyf
copper pecan
it's really weird to print a card with affinity for slivers in a set that doesn't have any slivers in it
tardy echo
When sliver is one of the most hardcore tribals in mtg and built entirely on synergy
tardy echo
it's really weird to print a card with affinity for slivers in a set that doesn'...
Or in a set for standard when there are no slivers in standard
Like if it was in the commander set it would make total sense
copper pecan
i mean, there are presumably going to be changelings in the lorwyn set next year
tardy echo
I mean sure but
That would be like if Konami released nadir before the rest of the dogma cards
atomic harness
[[thriving hive pool]]
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Artifact
Affinity for Slivers (This spell costs less to cast for each Sliver you control.)
Slivers you control have double strike and haste.
At the beginning of your upkeep, create two 1/1 colorless Sliver creature tokens.
"I'll never escape this rock, but I fear they will." —Decrypted log 4.11
tardy echo
they released [astrograph sorcerer] before they released zarc
Isn’t this an import thing
gritty nest
And chronograph sorcerer!
And let’s not forget blue eyes shining dragon before blue eyes ultimate
sudden lava
Less then 2 weeks till Avatar reveals
not the full debut, but some of the mechanics.
stark skiff
My body is ready.
subtle sierra
uhh ruling question, if i kill pinnacle starcage with ultima, and it causes a creature to enter that has an on enter ability, does that trigger, or is the turn over?
twilit canyon
turn ends
no other ability goes on the stack after
starcage however
[[pinnacle starcage]]
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile all artifacts and creatures with mana value 2 or less until this artifact leaves the battlefield.
: Put each card exiled with this artifact into its owner's graveyard, then create a 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token for each card put into a graveyard this way. Sacrifice this artifact.
twilit canyon
until it leaves
gut feeling? u would see whatever is under this to fall out as part of the same motion as it being removed
if it was worded like [[skyclave apparition]]
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twilit canyon
where its in 2 lines of text
they wouldnt get the illusion
i'll double check w a more experienced judge but it holds logic to me
trail anvil
pinnacle will let things go but skyclave wouldn't create a token cause that's a triggered ability
subtle sierra
pinnacle letting things go isn't in question here, it's about if the things that get let go get to activate their on enter stuff
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trail anvil
this should be all one effect, otherwise there wouldn't really be a purpose for it lol
twilit canyon
yeah things will return but nothing will happen as the turn ends
subtle sierra
stark skiff
I'm really liking Ultima's end the turn clause lol
trail anvil
commander night was super fun tonight, me and 2 of the other people all cast path of exile on one player who didn't run basics in his deck for some reason lmao
stark skiff
commander night was super fun tonight, me and 2 of the other people all cast pat...
honestly with the amount of good dual lands and utility lands there are in commander I find myself running like 2 basics of each color max if I can even fit them in.
trail anvil
yeah I mean like I get running less basics but no basics is greedy lul
subtle sierra
https://scryfall.com/card/fin/38/ultima
i just noticed the art was made by a lithuanian
crazy
atomic harness
commander night was super fun tonight, me and 2 of the other people all cast pat...
Rip the guy though lol what was he on
I have a lot of duals and I'm still on basics. Granted im running land tax lul
trail anvil
he was on doran treefolk but dude tends to randomly put powerful cards in every deck
urban crane
Any idea wich decks that new sphinx is interesting in?
urban crane
Yeah
subtle sierra
I also saw a cauldron vivi on it running more small spells and artists talent
urban crane
Mostly for commander I’m asking
subtle sierra
Ah i have no clue on commander
glad peak
What’s the new Sphinx?
stark skiff
What’s the new Sphinx?
[[Quantum Riddler]]
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Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When this creature enters, draw a card.
As long as you have one or fewer cards in hand, if you would draw one or more cards, you draw that many cards plus one instead.
Warp
4/6
subtle sierra
quantum rizzler...
urban crane
Pulled an alt foil thinking if I maybe have a home for it
stark skiff
seems best in some spell slinging deck where you run out of cards in hand
past socket
More sphonx
sleek ferry
I need a question answered since I feel like I’m missing something
People are playing [[emissary escort]] as a 3-4 right now
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sleek ferry
But isn’t [[mendicant core, guide light]] just a way better 3 of?
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
Mendicant Core's power is equal to the number of artifacts you control.
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
Max speed — Whenever you cast an artifact spell, you may pay . If you do, copy it. (The copy becomes a token.)
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atomic harness
guidelight sounds way better. The mana bases are good enough rn ye? (Shock fetches verges)
You trade 1 toughness for a bigger power and max speed potential
sleek ferry
That’s what I was thinking as well
golden plover
Guidelight is better on paper and if you're going all in on a lot of artifacts, but Emissary is better on average
It's not legendary
And it's only 1 color
Sure it'll typically cap at being a 4/4 or whatever
But that's not bad
gritty nest
commander night was super fun tonight, me and 2 of the other people all cast pat...
Flood moon moment
sudden lava
Prediction list for Atla (" " ones are exact name predictions)
tardy echo
Every single thing I just read on this card makes sense
It’s actually impressive how sensible and fitting this card is 
golden plover
Wish that was an "enters or attacks"
But it's the first Spider-Man card that doesn't read completely unplayable
lusty trench
discard it and something else for a draw 3 tormenting voice
pay 2 mana for it and the other thing you discarded back
Stonks
lusty trench
But it's the first Spider-Man card that doesn't read completely unplayable
You not seen spider-punk?
golden plover
Also, neat that it doesn't work the way it's intended in commander
golden plover
You not seen spider-punk?
Oh that's a solid 2 drop actually
tardy echo
[[tormenting voice]]
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golden plover
In standard you'd be discarding it off FoMo or Tersa
Although in standard it'll be called "Anger, Sanguine Slasher" or something lol
lusty trench
Do they not have a discard 2 draw 3 red card?
tardy echo
Winternight stories is blue
golden plover
So if you're doing discard shit it's usually fomo
tardy echo
But is draw 3 discard 2
golden plover
Yeah but I don't see the Izzet deck shifting to grixis for this
It's basically worse [[Alesha, Who Laughs at Fate]]
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golden plover
If you really wanna be doing that kinda thing
tardy echo
Certainly not
Just saying idt there’s a red version
All the red stuff is 2 for 2s
Or 1 for 1 + body
golden plover
But yeah, actually remembering Alesha is in standard invalidated this card whoops
Unless you REALLY need that swing to happen on 2, I can't see a world where you play this over her
fallow citrus
not sure what I want to play rn
I like the idea of yuna but every time I've played it I've felt like I just get eaten by decks with any speed
subtle sierra
Surely this plays at least one pinnacle starcage
fallow citrus
what generally does the meta look like at the moment
golden plover
Too early in the format to tell
Standouts are likely Tifa Landfall, Vivi Cauldron, Control, and Aggro
I'm banking on Jeskai Bounce feeling good, but I don't know if that'd be meta
subtle sierra
dimir didn't lose much in rotation, no?
golden plover
Dimir lost a lot more than people think it did
But I dunno if it kills the deck
They lost their premier removal package, most of their sideboard options, and their manabase
Sure, they got a shock
But I'm not sure they're in a great place post rotation
twilit canyon
the mana is basically the same
golden plover
Ehh, losing their fastland hurts a lot
hidden ermine
What colours is the Tifa deck
twilit canyon
shock land is much stronger than any land they lost
golden plover
Both their options for a fastland now make them take damage
twilit canyon
What colours is the Tifa deck <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
mono green
twilit canyon
its a tempo deck. the whole point is that life doesnt matter.
golden plover
But Dimir can't stabilize life cleanly now
twilit canyon
on top of that it fuels cecil
hidden ermine
Dang
golden plover
They're much worse into aggro because of that and no cut down
hidden ermine
Itd be so much funnier if it was WRG
golden plover
I'm sure the deck is still playable, probably tier 2
But it's a lot weaker than it was before
sudden lava
https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1950990448383652350?t=xl09wlvqUF7heKymhkCh-w&s...
When you go to prerelease and your promo is a card WOTC would hunt you down for 😱
golden plover
There's also a Gruul (sometimes Jund but that looks much worse) Artifact Combo deck I've been seeing around in mythic
Uses [[Biotech Specialist]] and the munitions tokens to get a lot of damage through
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Creature — Insect Scientist
When this creature enters, create a Lander token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
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golden plover
They don't always combo kill, since they've got big bodies and the vigilance merfolk is rough to deal with, but if they go unchecked they'll use him to combo kill with maps or landers
golden plover
The Jund build uses the two drop to kill you faster, but it feels worse
gritty nest
How cheap does a deck have to be to be considered budget?
glad peak
It’s all relative
sleek ferry
Uses [[Biotech Specialist]] and the munitions tokens to get a lot of damage thro...
the naya version goes all in on the burn
lusty trench
How cheap does a deck have to be to be considered budget?
10-20% of your monthly entertainment budget
gritty nest
10-20% of your monthly entertainment budget
I don’t think I can consider that budget
rigid scarab
https://moxfield.com/decks/QyJ3OTR1eU-BcSjUyOfgXQ
Out of all my personally owned decks this is the one I feel the least good about playing. Currently feeling way too clunky and just dawdling around.
Seems like my only wincon here is just graveyard fill into living death into beat down for 2 turns, and I want this deck to be a little more than that
glad peak
I don’t think I can consider that budget
How much is your monthly entertainment budget and why is it so high
broken fjord
https://moxfield.com/decks/QyJ3OTR1eU-BcSjUyOfgXQ
Out of all my personally owne...
How much stronger do you want it to be? What kind of combos do you want to have in there?
If you don't mind being a bit more creature heavy, then slotting warren soultrader in there is pretty good. Combos well with Gravecrawler.
I'd consider cutting archaeomancer since you have Eternal Witness already to grab anything you'd need.
Bitter Ordeal is a fun wincon in a deck like that, if you go with a reanimate into sacrifice strategy. You should make plenty of tokens with Sidisi.
Fun part of ordeal is that you don't have to go infinite to make it impactful. You can just neuter every deck by taking out all their impactful cards. 20-30 sacrifices can do that.
glad peak
Sidisi you have to play combo, zombies on their own are just way too slow and bad and sidisi is a combo monster
broken fjord
Once Bitter Ordealed a Jhoira player for 20ish cards I think. Straight up had no way to win the game.
Not sure how I feel about genesis in that list, either. While it's not a creature, I feel that Oversold Cemetery might be more efficient. Getting 4 in the yard should be trivial.
And Colossal Skyturtle is a must I feel. Very versatile card. Can recycle any card or bounce a threat at instant speed.
rigid scarab
If you don't mind being a bit more creature heavy, then slotting warren soultrad...
Yeah creatures
I feel like I need at least one must-kill that threaten games on its own
rigid scarab
How much stronger do you want it to be? What kind of combos do you want to have ...
I guess just feel better? Not too concerned with strength but I pivoted from zombies to self-mill hoping for I guess a toolbox gameplan
sudden lava
finally removed RMS titanic from my deck, do I do the funny thing and build RMS titanic? (It do be a legal commander now)
rigid scarab
Sidisi you have to play combo, zombies on their own are just way too slow and ba...
So some way to benefit off the zombies as an outlet?
gritty nest
How much is your monthly entertainment budget and why is it so high <:KEKW:62234...
Usually $200-$250
lusty trench
$20-40 is budget
rigid scarab
For EDH andrews as well
I've been hearing growing sentiment that casual lists should be having land counts of 40 at a medium level
glad peak
Lmao no
rigid scarab
To like guarantee land drops on first 5 turns
glad peak
The only way to guarantee land drops on first 5 turns is to run 99 lands