Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

It's hilarious this is in the same standard as Omni

It's like fixed Omni and really shows that Omni in foundations was a bad idea lol

[trail anvil]

I mean one with the multiverse was already in standard, even before omniscience

this has a timetwister stapled to it, I don't think it's a direct comparison

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1393287020956221610/Screenshot_20250711_194430_Reddit.jpg?ex=68729f27&is=68714da7&hm=e9195f1010fed569ae749d1d8ae0096a4c865a8c48f08066bd1ad320f1bd8be2&=&format=webp&width=668&height=929

i really like this design

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/63vUadokttk?si=bPrR9CUL77EJWxSd

This was very interesting to see people learn mtg who have 0 idea about how mtg works

[glad peak]

Welp the “digimon is the most skillful game” guy came by again

Instantly started talking about how superior digimon is, without anyone saying anything to him

[lusty trench]

Lmao

Bros game is dying and hes trying hard to get the word out ig

[glad peak]

He’s pushing people away by doing this lmao

[subtle sierra]

please bro, play this game with me, it's soooooo good, it's superior

[glad peak]

Guy really said “digimon doesn’t have no interaction, you’re just bad so you don’t understand the interaction”

[lusty trench]

dont understand the interaction
check the interaction
its floodgates

[glad peak]

If a game is so mid I stop playing it even with the money to play it then you know you have a problem with the game

[lusty trench]

Digimon was fine to begin with but its a bandai game

[glad peak]

Nah, that’s not what he means, he doesn’t know what interaction means is the problem

[lusty trench]

Which means once it passes its two year mark, game dive bombs

[copper pecan]

digimon has the same problem a lot of bandai games have where the cards end up very quickly getting excessively complicated

like, more so than yugioh even

[glad peak]

By interaction he’s talking about how cards interact with each other, he views any form of actual interaction as lowly rat behavior

[copper pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-funny-rat-dance-dancing-rat-gif-1874324974880693067

me upon playing any removal

[glad peak]

Same guy says instants are cheating and non creature combo is dishonorable or something

[subtle sierra]

bro plays mono green

[glad peak]

Meanwhile in digimon he plays an otk combo deck that wins without anything on board

[sleek ferry]

I’ve said it before, but I always found dtcg to be the funnest tcg I’ve played. I think trying to push the game during Covid was dumb though

[copper pecan]

talking about "honor" in a card game

[glad peak]

Dtcg was pretty fun at the start of its life ngl

[copper pecan]

if you don't want to deal with instants and non-creature combos then don't play games that have those instead of whining about it

[sleek ferry]

I genuinely believe security control was one of the funnest ways to do a control deck in any tcg, despite the deck being so hated within tcg

[lusty trench]

Rookie rush was an issue but sets 4-10 were the ideal, xros not withsranding

[glad peak]

That’s why he plays digimon and incessantly berates people with actual interaction

Security control was peak

[copper pecan]

personally i feel like most games without instants are worse because of it

[lusty trench]

Issue is its fun for the pilot only and was too dominant during its time

You could kill a man with zwart defeat flashbacks

[glad peak]

They definitely could’ve had more instants in digimon, idk why they leaned so hard to not have them

[sleek ferry]

Also, the broken decks in dtcg were all genuinely fun. Like shoutmon was broken as fuck

But you’d be lying if you said the deck wasn’t fun

[lusty trench]

Beelzemon was fun

[sleek ferry]

Beelzemon is another one

Beelzemon was basically dtcg tear

[lusty trench]

Lets go gambling.dek

Before the starter deck it was just hit your effects or cry

[glad peak]

I liked crusader tier 0

[lusty trench]

But im biased cause you know

[glad peak]

That and Lilith loop combo

[sleek ferry]

Also, I know some people don’t like it, but I found memory to be a fine resource system

[glad peak]

Memory’s good as a resource system

[sleek ferry]

I think Bandai regressed with OPTCG in terms of mechanic tbh

Optcg feels super dumbed down

[lusty trench]

Dons fine mainly because you have don math

Its dumbed down even more in gundam

[glad peak]

I dont like how they killed memory’s impact on the game

[lusty trench]

Woe, hammer spark upon ye

[sleek ferry]

Is it? From what I read about the Gundam rule set it seemed like somewhere in between op and Digimon

[lusty trench]

One point a turn

Your level is the amount if points you have and dictates what cards you can play

[copper pecan]

the gundam tcg felt to me like digimon but with hearthstone mana and instants

[lusty trench]

And then you have costs which you pay like lands in mtg

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, if this is the case, I would say this is above optcg in terms of complex game mechanics

[glad peak]

I liked how they did union arena

Union was even more aggressive focused but the choice was pretty interesting

[lusty trench]

I meant the resource system specifically

Optcg is very basic otherwise

[sleek ferry]

The main jank that’s going to come with gundam is probably the mini figures

[glad peak]

Yeah, union’s resource system is also a way to get more attackers

[lusty trench]

Gundams mini figure sets are just not gonna sell

Its an awful way to do tokens and costs way too much

No one is spending £20 extra on 3 tiny ass figures that arent required for gameplay

[sleek ferry]

I will not underestimate gundam fans, but I will underestimate the appeal gundam fans will have towards the gundam tcg

[copper pecan]

i'm not convinced that bandai has learned their lesson from what happened with the previous gundam tcg

[glad peak]

I’m not convinced Bandai learned from any of their mistakes

[lusty trench]

Bandai doesnt learn les- yeah

[sleek ferry]

Fwiw, the new digimon tcg was objectively better than the old one, so you could say they learned something there

[copper pecan]

they had one of the longest running card games and they completely destroyed it for basically no reason

imagine master rule 4 but even worse

[lusty trench]

Did someone say functionally unique promos

[copper pecan]

every existing deck became completely unplayable

[barren cairn]

[lusty trench]

£30 pulsemons and £50 jimbes anyone?

Anyone?

£20 sabos?

[barren cairn]

I wanted to uhhh

[sleek ferry]

Bandai’s main issue is saturating the tcg market and not letting their tcg’s breath, they rather put them in competition against each other

[barren cairn]

Get into Gundam tbh but

Yeah

[lusty trench]

Id say best way to handle bandai tcgs is low commital

[glad peak]

They have the opposite issue of the Star Wars tcg distributor

[barren cairn]

I'm still annoyed bc I think union arena Kamen Rider looks worse than battle spirits Kamen Rider

[glad peak]

Those guys love to kill off good games meanwhile Bandai shits out mid games

[lusty trench]

Get a couple starters, upgrade as wanted, play with friends

[barren cairn]

But also I have to deal with screenshots anyways because battle spirits is a spirit itself now bc it died

[sleek ferry]

It’s funny, because mtg and pokemon saturate the market in other ways (releasing new product every 50-60 days), Bandai meanwhile puts out so many tcg’s they can’t even get their distribution right for their popular games (looking straight at you optcg)

[lusty trench]

Optcg is fine now thankfully but it was a dark period around op05

[sleek ferry]

Jot, it was impossible for me to get into the game when I had interest in it

Now that interest died out, so I’ll probably never get into it

[glad peak]

Optcg looked fun until I actually played it

[lusty trench]

Optcg has an issue where it has like 2-3 decks that suck the life out of you each format going against

Thank you enel, i really really love losing because i sat across you with the wrong deck

[sleek ferry]

There’s the weirdos that play Nami every format too I heard

[lusty trench]

Nami was never like amazing but it really was the most uninteractive gameplay ever

You sat their watched them pop off and if they had it they had it if they didnt they didnt

You were just kinda there

[glad peak]

Ah so storm players

They play the same deck every format but the deck’s boring af

[lusty trench]

There was no optimal way to counter nami decks by your independant actions

You just waited to see if they had it

[barren cairn]

Also no one I know plays union arena so even if I bought Kamen Rider show screenshots.deck it'll

a). Die in a week
b). Fall off immediately
c). They'll fuck up the deck somehow

[glad peak]

iirc the deck died on release but that's most union arena decks

game's fun to have a bunch of random decks around though

but yeah just ignored the guy screaming about how much better digimon is and continued locals

[barren cairn]

I have a digimon deck i got given

I'd play Ultraman but

Who would even play it lol

[stark skiff]

oh this is cool. jellyfishing!

[stark skiff]

like every ygo content creator is trying to jump into this space. kinda funny tbh

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, look at the current state of ygo, nobody wants to admit it, but there’s fundamental issues with the game right now outside of the next broken deck

[ornate cedar]

My Doctor Who commander deck arrived

God this puts modern decks to shame lol

[fallow citrus]

wdym

[ornate cedar]

Maybe not to shame, but I like the spin down counter, the planechases, and the die included

This die looks really cool too, albeit basically non-functional outside of its intended use lol

[lusty trench]

Anything cool in your sample pack?

[ornate cedar]

Yeah! Second Doctor Showcase foil and Wedding Ring full art

[lusty trench]

Noice noice

[ornate cedar]

*extended art

I think the color blue looks incredible in foiling, the blue of the Tardis especially

Second Doctor is also my favorite classic Doctor

So woot

I’m confused why are there two versions of this card, one thicker than the other?

[lusty trench]

Thicker one is like a token

[ornate cedar]

Ohh, it’s not legal?

[lusty trench]

Just kinda there in case you need to represent who your commander is if hes in a hidden zone

[ornate cedar]

Ohhh ok I think I understand

Like if he’s face down?

[trail anvil]

you can also just use it as your commander if you're playing in a casual environment tbh

[lusty trench]

Yeah its not an actual card but no one cares

[ornate cedar]

Nice that’s how I’d use it lol

It looks better than the actual card lol

[lusty trench]

Just if you go to events keep the actual card on you so no arguments

[ornate cedar]

Like MagicCon?

[lusty trench]

Ye

[ornate cedar]

Or any other sanctioned event?

[lusty trench]

Ye basically

[ornate cedar]

Makes sense

[lusty trench]

People in commander can be a bit funny sometimes so having the actual card to use if they dont want you to play with the thicker fake version is a good move

[ornate cedar]

If someone threw a fit over something like that I would just go to another store

Commander events aren’t at a premium in my area thankfully

My god the flavor on these cards is

I love how the sagas are episodes for example

That is an excellent touch, especially regarding the classic doctors (the next deck I’ll have to get )

Definitely gonna run this deck pure with maybe a couple upgrades or swap outs at my next Commander event lol

This is so fucking cool and I love the art referencing some of my favorite episodes lol this must be how lifelong FF fans feel atm

[sleek ferry]

seedship broodtender is cute

would you play it in roots @subtle sierra

[subtle sierra]

uhh not really tbh

the sac cost is steep and there are better mill cards

the body is ok but like if i want a blocker that mills we have rubblebelt

[sleek ferry]

true, only thing I'm thinking is saccing it for balemurk on t4, but that's probably a dream

[subtle sierra]

if you want to cast balemurks from gy simply osteomancer

and play more

[ornate cedar]

Mm’menon has some Aminatou commander synergy with her miracle ability

[subtle sierra]

i've been used to like 4 osteomancers simply cause dropping it t2 into aggro gave them at least a turn to think if they wanna attack

not as relevant atm tho

[sleek ferry]

yeah and osteomancer is a better blocker also

[subtle sierra]

yeah

like the card is kinda meh ngl, there are better mill cards, and there are better bodies that sac themselves for the revive

ofc there aren't any that do both but it also being a sorcery is ooof

[[valgavoth's faithful]] is instant iirc

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/121/valgavoths-faithful

Valgavoth's Faithful <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Cleric
, Sacrifice this creature: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
"That's the one good thing about these cultists: sometimes they do your work for you." —Winter
1/1

[subtle sierra]

oh no he isn't

[sleek ferry]

reroute systems seems kinda crazy, or am I bugging? 1 mana indestructible OR removal. I can't recall us getting that type of flexibility for 1 mana in white

[subtle sierra]

huh

reroute is good too

ofc not for my flavour of white, but it good

[sleek ferry]

oh yeah mine neither, just generally good card

[subtle sierra]

aggro in mtg is very very not my cup of tea

although

ig control can use it too to protect important bodies, but atm white control cards are mostly token makers

kinda similar to using parting gust on your own beza to blink it or protect it

ofc this doesn't blink but similar utility

[sleek ferry]

I would say the same, but there's certain tempo decks I like that border on aggro that are fun

[subtle sierra]

i just like gathering up mana and then landing something big that says "you'll die in 4 turns due to card advantage"

[sudden lava]

Old thing they used to do with precons where you can have one for display purposes (thicker one is not technically legal)

Also extended art wedding ring is goated, very nice pull!

[sleek ferry]

Alright chat, do I go to FF draft night tonight?

[ornate cedar]

Do it thugs!

[urban crane]

Do you want to?

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

[urban crane]

If yes go if not don’t

[ornate cedar]

Ahh, ok makes sense why the colors pop more then on the token

[urban crane]

Like personally not a fan of draft but upto you

[sudden lava]

oh yeah and if you want a suggestion on an upgrade, add Clara Oswald. Works smoothly with 10th

https://tenor.com/view/clara-oswald-for-the-win-jenna-coleman-doctor-who-clara-oswald-doctor-who-series-7-gif-5994179454870783728

[urban crane]

Yeah I’d say look at some of the old time counter cards but those are al not doctor who cards that’s what I did

[sleek ferry]

Well I need to get better at draft eventually, so why not I thought. Plus there’s an rcq at my LGS tomorrow also in case I feel confident enough in my drafting skills to play

As of right now, my drafting skills = ass

[urban crane]

If you were to look for things other than doctor who would heavily recommend stuff like sol talisman mox tantilite and lotus bloom

[golden plover]

https://youtu.be/KFObCSQI3Js?si=uc-UxgeiCIkZCetf

Hmm wonder why y'all locked the comments tcgplayer

[trail anvil]

not the first controversial decision LSV has made

[golden plover]

True. But this genuinely sucks a lot. Tcgplayer buying channel fireball for content to hide all the shit they've been doing shady recently

Oh they already owned them, they're just rebranding for the exact same reason

(to hide the shady shit)

[ornate cedar]

I want to but she ‘spensive lol

[sudden lava]

isnt she less then a dollar right now? Or at worst like 3 dollars

[ornate cedar]

Maybe I was looking at the ext art…. One sec

Oh yeah her normal frame card is $0.15 lol epic

[ornate cedar]

Oswin!

[twilit canyon]

gotta hand it to lsv

hes been consistently pretty shit at handling... well anything

[trail anvil]

dubai oil sponsorship when

[copper pecan]

lsv stands for L + sratio + vhe fell off

[sturdy lion]

Huh

Looking at how limiting arena is

How fast are they with adding older cards?

[copper pecan]

outside of stuff that gets reprinted in new sets, they add older cards once every few months usually

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/strictlytom/status/1944059747487166947?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Nineball (@strictlyTom)

Top 4 at my local modern FNM with GB saga. Cecil was fine, but marauder did work. W command is really well positioned right now. I did get to double drain for the win vs. @d00mwake, which was fun. My only loss was to gr eldrazi. My board is garbage for that match.
@fireshoes

X · Jul 12, 2025, 3:42 PM

[fallow citrus]

is that fucking

hexmage to bring out the overlord

[twilit canyon]

thats cool as hell actually

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah it's cool for sure

and using the john avon unhinged lands my goat

[twilit canyon]

it does also kill opponent sagas

[fallow citrus]

true

[trail anvil]

also removes the counters off emperor of bones if you wanna reuse it lol

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042953789189136454/1393591410766381066/vivi_nevermind.jpg?ex=6873baa4&is=68726924&hm=2b9fa17f053585fdd7482dfb87a336bead22e4c731803b8d2060f11b69815758&=&format=webp&width=939&height=930

[past socket]

Honestly wanna build a lower power Magda deck but like trying to power down Korvold I’m just worried about it still being overboard

[glad peak]

the problem here is that to do any of the synergy stuff you automatically have pieces for infinite treasure

the win cons can be different (no casual player is going to figure out bauble + barry + burn loops) but still getting your entire deck and dragons onto the field is pretty good

[past socket]

Honestly fair

I was honestly considering making Magda more of a toolbox rather than just combo

[sudden lava]

why is the Vivi underwater?

[glad peak]

true but regardless of how you build her you're going to want artifact dwarves, clock of omens, and roaming throne and those alone are good enough to make the loop happen

[lusty trench]

You never seen the nirvana cover?

[past socket]

So I may as well play into Magda’s pure insanity?

[sudden lava]

I haven't

[lusty trench]

Its basically the same image but instead of vivi its a baby in the same pose

Very famous

[sudden lava]

Ah

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/e/c/ecc1027a-8c07-44a0-bdde-fa2844cff694.jpg?1748706721

Many people dont know Vivi isn't underwater in this art

[twilit canyon]

its just a reference to a famous album cover

[lusty trench]

[twilit canyon]

that 1 drop is kind of good

hardlight will be super fucked

but only sometimes

if it could enchant artifact or creature, maybe it'd be a bit better

only artifact + its artifact focused means it may be cooked

[lusty trench]

Angel without flying odd to see

[twilit canyon]

not just that but a non-legendary 1 mana 2/1 with vigilance and an upside etb

[lusty trench]

Me playing a turn 2 tapland to spite my opponent (i will not recover from this tempo loss)

[twilit canyon]

punished for exiling a land or spell and it doesnt lose the upside even if it dies

t1 this into another + mockingbird

good luck ever casting spells again dork

[tardy echo]

Basically a 1 2/1 that taxes a mana and gives hand info

Right

Seems hot

[glad peak]

A… 1 mana 2/1 with vigilance AND tax? wtf?

[copper pecan]

definitely one of the best savannah lions of all time

[tardy echo]

Holy vigilance I didn’t see that

This card seems like a

[twilit canyon]

giving a choice on what gets bent is fine bc its still going to remain a fucked card or land on tempo

[glad peak]

Yeah and the land always enters tapped

wtf is this card

Well I don’t think it’s better than raggyman or cat but damn it’s good

[tardy echo]

[[raggyman]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “raggyman”

[tardy echo]

I mean there are some cases where the land tap isn’t huge

[glad peak]

[[ragavan, nimble]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/138/ragavan-nimble-pilferer

Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer <:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Monkey Pirate
Whenever Ragavan deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and exile the top card of that player's library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card.
Dash (You may cast this spell for its dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/1

[tardy echo]

They can just exile a land that enters tapped right

Oh this asshole

[glad peak]

If you’re playing an eternal format and you’re forced to play a land that enters tapped you might have already lost

[twilit canyon]

[[ocelot pride]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/38/ocelot-pride

Ocelot Pride <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
First strike, lifelink
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
At the beginning of your end step, if you gained life this turn, create a 1/1 white Cat creature token. Then if you have the city's blessing, for each token you control that entered this turn, create a token that's a copy of it.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

the other one

honestly the bw deck in modern is already good but imagine aether vialing this on their upkeep

untap upkeep draw before you go to the next phase tap vialn

[trail anvil]

I'm just picturing blinking this

[last glen]

poggers
angel buff for Pioneer

[sudden lava]

(He's actually standing on grass next to mushrooms)

[copper pecan]

i'm glad that the scrunkly oomfie is the best card in final fantasy tbh

he's just a little guy

[past socket]

hydrogen baby

[sturdy lion]

huh, that's weird

game didn't let me forfit

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vrFf5QnK8QA?feature=share

[atomic harness]

Is there a huge gap between Cedh and Tedh? Or is it just a matter of techs and compromises

say rogsi for both

[twilit canyon]

its more of tech and compromises tbh

tedh is really not that much different

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

It’s theorized there’s a meta difference in cedh since without time limits stax gets better

But I don’t believe in that hypothesis

[atomic harness]

finally, trinisphere

[glad peak]

So you’re just gonna give over the game to the farm player?

[atomic harness]

No

[sleek ferry]

Playstyle is different, you got to know when to play for ties and such

[atomic harness]

Ties sound good

[sleek ferry]

Listen to this video for an idea https://youtu.be/yx48bSq8o0k?si=2FgcvKHmj6SlLMoz

[fallow citrus]

are there any good izzet lands to replace the dmu painlands

I'm trying to cope on otters still being playable with different lands

[lusty trench]

Starting town?

[fallow citrus]

true

at least we still have breeding pool to replace yavimaya coast

[last glen]

The shocklands?

[fallow citrus]

yeah

[glad peak]

Very funny vintage card

Probably still good in other formats too since we do have a decent chunk of good 0 drop artifacts

[atomic harness]

What do non cedh raffine's look like? Do you run a bunch of gy stuff to make use of the things you ditch w connive?

Is it similar to like say what esper legends was in her standard? (SNC) but ofc tailored for commander

(play cheap stuff w rly good utility abilities, buff it w connive, profit?)

[glad peak]

Non cedh raffine would probably be a bunch of unblockable little dudes and protection to make raffine big

[sleek ferry]

You can go any way tbh, draw good stuff, discard good stuff, Esper good stuff

The world is your oyster

[atomic harness]

Im gonna put in dark confidant, esper sentinel, ledger shredder, and psychic frog

oh and frog prodigy

[past socket]

Big fan of draws matter Raffine

Though shoutout to this guy that made a Raffine deck that was a The Capitoline Triad hidden commander

[wary night]

Jellyfish advisor

Will it give advice on how to play the deck

[twilit canyon]

yes althought advisor has been a creature type for a while

[broken fjord]

Crazy how there are people out there that think Teferi's Pro is a 10/10 card.

[lusty trench]

Its good especially in casual and serves its purpose but its not like best white card ever, it just gets you out of some jams

[past socket]

The virgin T-Pro vs the chad Inkshield

[lusty trench]

Ink shield is worse but it is more fun

[golden plover]

I dunno why people are on the [[Doomsday Excrutiator]] Dimir list again. I'll just swing with Risen Reef first when you tap out and you'll deck out???

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/94/doomsday-excruciator

Doomsday Excruciator <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, if it was cast, each player exiles all but the bottom six cards of their library face down.
At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card.
"All stars grow dark. All worlds come to an end."
6/6

[glad peak]

Wait, [[risen reef]] is back in standard?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/217/risen-reef

Risen Reef <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever this creature or another Elemental you control enters, look at the top card of your library. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped. If you don't put the card onto the battlefield, put it into your hand.
"No, not 'washed' ashore. It walked ashore." —Shafring Hulm, beachcomber
1/1

[sleek ferry]

No

[subtle sierra]

[[restless reef]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/282/restless-reef

Restless Reef

Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add or .
: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 4/4 blue and black Shark creature with deathtouch. It's still a land.
Whenever this land attacks, target player mills four cards.

[atomic harness]

Risen reef holy

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1394332882889347096/en_b099954f85.webp?ex=68766d30&is=68751bb0&hm=927d11ba36092899c9eed7aa6ec625a5a81ef92245f7b469be48746ffdd9d257&=&format=webp&width=666&height=930

easily the best spaceship revealed so far

[sleek ferry]

oh that's nice nice

anthem that becomes a threat in the air later

[lusty trench]

Im honestly not sure on that, at base its a worse anthem which dont see play

And if you have the board to get it to twelve you probably dont want to tap your guys to get there

[fallow citrus]

Synthesizer Labship - U

Artifact - Spacecraft (Rare)

Station

2+ At the beginning of combat on your turn, up to one other target artifact you control becomes an artifact creature with base power and toughness 2/2 and gains flying until end of turn.

9+ Flying, vigilance 4/4

[lusty trench]

Sonic stuff is up in 45 minutes yall be prepared

[tardy echo]

It’s not like you have to tap out fully in one turn

[lusty trench]

True but tapping out small will add up cause you cant do it at instant speed

[tardy echo]

Shrug

It definitely seems like one of the best spaceships revealed so far but most of them have read pretty peepee

[lusty trench]

Best knife in the crayon box competition

[atomic harness]

Finally, my mox opal can beat the sht out of my opponent

(Dont do that)

ALso huh does it fuel itself then

[sleek ferry]

anthems with upside have historically seen play, see [[wedding announcement]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/51/wedding-announcement-wedding-festivity

Wedding Announcement <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put an invitation counter on this enchantment. If you attacked with two or more creatures this turn, draw a card. Otherwise, create a 1/1 white Human creature token. Then if this enchantment has three or more invitation counters on it, transform it.

Wedding Festivity
Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Vampires from every bloodline mingled together, all swelling with pride to be seen at the event of the century.

[lusty trench]

This aint wedding announcement level good though

[sleek ferry]

it's not, but it's close in terms of playability imo

[atomic harness]

Holy I miss that card

[golden plover]

Frigate is probably fringe playable

[atomic harness]

Crimson Vow and midnight hunt = GOAT

[golden plover]

But I'm not expecting anything from the spacecraft

Announcement was good because it set itself up and basically flipped + made a board for playing

[atomic harness]

Oh rulings q, do two instances of ward stack?

[[gold-forged thopteryx]]

[[raffine, scheming seer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/31/gold-forged-thopteryx

Gold-Forged Thopteryx <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Dinosaur Thopter
Flying, lifelink
Each legendary permanent you control has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Worlds apart, Huatli built a device Saheeli would have been proud of.
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/213/raffine-scheming-seer

Raffine, Scheming Seer <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4

[atomic harness]

Does it have ward 3
or Ward 1 then ward 2?

[lusty trench]

It has ward 1 then ward 2

[atomic harness]

[lusty trench]

Both are seperate triggers

Functionally though its the same

[atomic harness]

yoo ichor wellspring 2

[lusty trench]

Egg

[fallow citrus]

i feel like i've seen this card revealed like 10 times

[lusty trench]

Actually good card

[golden plover]

Raise the past keeps getting very solid tools

Feels like raise the past might be real this set

A big body that grows alongside Bartolome and can pop anything when you sacc her is SOLID

Why would you format it like that

Covering up literally the only word people wouldn't be able to assume

Oh lmao French celestial colonade is much worse

Just pick whatever stat total you want

[lusty trench]

Sonic lair secured

[golden plover]

I'm fucked

[lusty trench]

Me my partner and my partners brother were all in queue and my partners brother was lucky enough to get in the queue with only a 3 minute wait

[golden plover]

Jesus

I'm in hell queue rn

Holy shit ancient tomb

[tardy echo]

Are these in standard?

[golden plover]

Nah, thank God

They're same legality as normal, since it's a bonus sheet

[tardy echo]

Sad!

The art on petrified field looks really good

[golden plover]

Standard, Modern, and Pioneer could not handle ancient tomb

It'd be so fucked

[fallow citrus]

really depends on the decks

like yeah it's an objectively broken card but it doesn't just slot into every deck as a 4 of

[golden plover]

I mean it doesn't go into everything, yeah

But it'd ruin the power level of any new format it goes into

[tardy echo]

Don’t hate

[fallow citrus]

nah it'd make pioneer slightly interesting

[twilit canyon]

agree

[golden plover]

I wish the secret lair bar was just a percentage number and not a random stick figure walking tbh

[sleek ferry]

Ha, spoken like somebody that has never had to wait in line for a pokemon center queue

they don't even give you a stick figure

just a message saying "well if this refreshes automatically, you got through, but that doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get anything"

[golden plover]

Damn, yeah that's even worse lol

I love the random number at the top

"Your estimated wait time is anywhere from a few minutes from now to the heat death of the universe"

[tardy echo]

What’s the arena update btw

777 mb update

I haven’t been on in like a week

[trail anvil]

preorder stuff being put into the client maybe?

[tardy echo]

Oh prob

Don’t think that was there before

[tardy echo]

Odin has been the goat unironically @twilit canyon @sleek ferry

Way faster wincon than Baja blast or knights and the etb kill has still made it decent into faster decks

[sleek ferry]

it being a must deal with threat is great

especially for the point of the game when you would be playing it

[tardy echo]

Paired with the threat of removal it forces you to put so much into stopping it

And then ur down so much against the deck that it just wins anyways

[sleek ferry]

you will almost always go 2 for 1 with it, so yeah, good card

[tardy echo]

Titan has also kind of been goat

Very nice long con against decks that might be able to play against Odin

[atomic harness]

Scrapbot is cool holy

[atomic harness]

Holy that's an uncommon??

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

[atomic harness]

I have another rruling question because I am not an expert at this game

[past socket]

God these EoE robbits make me so happy

[atomic harness]

[[monument of endurance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/237/monument-to-endurance

Monument to Endurance <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, choose one that hasn't been chosen this turn —
• Draw a card.
• Create a Treasure token.
• Each opponent loses 3 life.
Loss is not the end of the journey.

[atomic harness]

It doesn't say one or more
If I connive 3, does that mean I get three triggers on the stack?

[past socket]

I imagine so

Just has to be a different effect for each

[atomic harness]

Thank, this will go great in my raff deck

[past socket]

Gotta get a Monument myself for this [[Sabin, Master Monk]] deck I have in my mind from a fellow playee

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/57/sabin-master-monk

Sabin, Master Monk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble Monk
Double strike
Blitz—, Discard a card. (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
You may cast this card from your graveyard using its blitz ability.
4/3

[past socket]

Good ol Red Deck Wins with a dash of Discard

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/jimdavismtg/status/1944401319705432497?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jim Davis (@JimDavisMTG)

Breezy qualification on my phone with Kona’s Surprise, easy game etc 😎

@fireshoes #MTGArena

X · Jul 13, 2025, 2:19 PM

[tardy echo]

Feel like I’ve been getting robbed by a bunch of random Timmy stuff and not sure what to do abt it

I guess the real answer is not to care because it’s a digital cg with no stakes but beyond that

[trail anvil]

what deck are you playing again

[tardy echo]

In a fighting game the whole “I lose to noobs but I beat good players!!!1!” Thing is just someone saying they’re really good at flowcharting but not sure how it really converts to a cg

Yuna

The black version

While on the topic I’m not sure why ppl on abzan lists aren’t playing esper origins

In favor of more stupid big guy wincons

[trail anvil]

one of these days people will catch on

[tardy echo]

Also wondering if there are any draw options that I’ve missed

People play it in the r/g/w list

Just none of the black splashes for some reason

Which feels like it makes opposite sense actually when the red splash kills you faster

[gritty nest]

Pog

[lusty trench]

My shit isnt shipping till september

[gritty nest]

F

What happened?

[lusty trench]

UK

We get our shit late

[gritty nest]

Oof

[stark skiff]

Lucky

[gritty nest]

Couldn’t get through the queue or?

[tardy echo]

Dude I hate screaming nemesis so much

Card is annoying beyond fucking belief

[sleek ferry]

Good card

[last glen]

Okay I see the vision
1 drop with two power
Lumen turn 2, station

[storm elbow]

And there is already a good white 1 drop with 2 power in this set

It even has vigilance!

[past socket]

I really like that new Viscera Seer

2 drop but Surveils rather than Scries

[lusty trench]

https://moxfield.com/decks/alWdB3jc70Knz13nXopBXw

Working on a thing, some of the cards are references others arent

[gritty nest]

Why not the blue red siege from tarkir?

Gives either +1/+0 haste or when you deal combat damage draw

[sleek ferry]

Was going to start building Raffine, then started thinking “what if I make Zinnia with only animals?”

WIP

[lapis viper]

Wtf it's so good

[atomic harness]

Til this exists HOLY

@sleek ferry @twilit canyon @fallow citrus

[fallow citrus]

super bob

[atomic harness]

[lusty trench]

I need more slimey pathetic men in magic and this card fits that

Need to replace the hole tibalt left

[glad peak]

What you mean

We have jace every set

[lusty trench]

Nah jace isnt slimey enough

Hes just pathetic

[glad peak]

With vraska he’s slimey and pathetic

[hidden ermine]

Your type is Sampo Koski?

[storm elbow]

Your type is ovven?

[hidden ermine]

Hey I resent that

I'm not slimey

[storm elbow]

True

[lusty trench]

Nah sampo vibes with me wrong

I think its because he mostly succeeds

[hidden ermine]

Ah, I see

He isn't pathetic enough

[lusty trench]

Unironically spamton from deltarune would be if he wasnt a scrimblo and maybe fixed his sexism issues

[twilit canyon]

bob's gotten dome goated art over time

[fallow citrus]

the artifact 3 drop makes me believe the deck is real again

[sudden lava]

hoping for a new commander reveal today

[fallow citrus]

and it is best in temur

although naya could work too

but likely temur just for the 3 drop and biotech specialist

and then because woe is still legal we can play torch the tower to sac the tokens

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/ymvz08pzb1df1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=c8cf48f7f78f9d4a26fc49c78ff356609d64cee0

Okay yeah spacecraft aren't playable even in limited

[copper pecan]

spacecraft have been pretty disappointing so far

[golden plover]

Yeah they seem ridiculously weak

And this completely kills any chance they're decent in limited

Opponent taps down their guys to turn their ship on, you just put it back in their hand, make a 1/1 and they scoop

[sleek ferry]

12 game ranked winning streak on Rakdos speed

[fallow citrus]

the 1 mana blue one is fine

[atomic harness]

I like the fact he's talking to raffine

[golden plover]

God Vivi Cauldron is disgusting. It's probably inevitable that Vivi eats a ban too, considering that card is a design mistake

Now that lists are getting more refined, Vivi Cauldron really just feels like a guaranteed win ngl

[copper pecan]

why is this an uncommon

[fallow citrus]

because it's not very common

[copper pecan]

[fallow citrus]

actually excited to brew artifacts on set release

[tardy echo]

Good joke +2

[sleek ferry]

Proliferate? What about prochoicerate!

[lusty trench]

Oop wrong chat

[subtle sierra]

Holy moly

[trail anvil]

solid fuckin reprint right there

[copper pecan]

rrat

[trail anvil]

actually wait the price went down since the bloomburrow reprint but either way lol

[subtle sierra]

These special land arts aren't standard legal, right?

[trail anvil]

let's get this card down to a dollar over time

[trail anvil]

no but they are on arena

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/JvXmeisCB6M

[trail anvil]

this one looks fun

[zinc shard]

"Hello everyone, it's Seth. Proooobably better known as Saffron Olive-"

[glad peak]

They’ll probably adapt to it

[zinc shard]

Strip Mine won't be restricted in Timeless, but they'll keep an eye on it

[twilit canyon]

interesting

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/m3dvedev/status/1945127186739912709?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Dmitry Medvedev (@m3dvedev)

8-0 with Hammer 🔨

X · Jul 15, 2025, 2:23 PM

[subtle sierra]

Why is this guy called the same as a previous russian president?

[glad peak]

Just like Joe Biden being a guilty gear pro

[subtle sierra]

[fallow citrus]

it's a sad day when hammer isn't playing stoneforge

[sleek ferry]

We’re balling

[fallow citrus]

no puresteel paladin either?

[sleek ferry]

Cori just completely changes what the deck wants to do

[fallow citrus]

yeah ig

[gritty nest]

What is timeless?

[lusty trench]

Shouldve been an instant smh so close

[storm elbow]

i kinda like dubious delicacy

[past socket]

It’s an acquired taste though

[trail anvil]

this card reads "play me in feather"

[zinc shard]

Its a format on MTG Arena, where basically every card on the platform is legal, and some cards are restricted to 1

[zinc shard]

Got a goated pool for Midweek Magic

oh also Draft Token in the Daily Deals

[gritty nest]

Oh sorta like vintage in paper?

[zinc shard]

pretty much

[trail anvil]

jesus

that's an insane high roll lol

[zinc shard]

[[Lotus Field]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/249/lotus-field

Lotus Field

Land
Hexproof
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice two lands.
: Add three mana of any one color.

[fallow citrus]

Larval Scoutlander

2G

Artifact Spacecraft

When this spacecraft enters, you may sacrifice a land or Lander. If you do, search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them into the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.

Station

7+ Flying

3/3

Icetill Explorer

2GG

Creature Insect Scout

you may play an additional land on each of your turns.

You may play lands from your graveyard.

Landfall - Whenever a land you control enters, mill a card

2/4

R

[trail anvil]

icetill is just in every landfall deck ever

scoutlander looks pretty interesting with lander tokens

[sleek ferry]

I’m going to go out on a limb and say, I’ve never seen a pro player be so loudly wrong https://x.com/huschenmtg/status/1945143324056158508?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Arne Huschenbeth (@Huschenmtg)

Following up on this - Vivi Cauldron is currently one of the best decks in Standard and the rope on Arena makes the experience of playing the deck pretty rough in my opinion. Just one of the many examples where the rope makes the game less fun and restrictive.

@MTG_Arena

X · Jul 15, 2025, 3:28 PM

[subtle sierra]

I can play roots comfortably with the rope and i think it's arguably more actions than vivi

[sleek ferry]

The rope is literally a “show me you know how to win the game with your deck at a respectable pace” tool

[subtle sierra]

The time it adds for every action you take is quite enough

Also if you're on pc you can confirm with space and it makes it even faster

But i manage on mobile too so like

And like, I'm talking about gorehound osteomancer loops to mill everything down for a thrillseeker here

Easily like 120 separate confirmations

[rigid scarab]

Oh shit

[trail anvil]

hell fuckin yeah brother this is the most pushed version I've seen of this type of card nevermind this is a sidegrade to vedalken engineer

flying and it's an enigma jewel

idk if the mana being colored is super relevant but that's cool too

[fallow citrus]

yoooo

[trail anvil]

surveil 1 draw 2 for 2 mana 👀

[subtle sierra]

well you need setup

but it looks good

if you sac a token that counts, right?

[copper pecan]

yeah that counts

[fallow citrus]

Brain Transmission (?)

4U
Instant

Uncommon

Surveil X where X is the number of artifacts you control, then draw three cards.

Mechan Navigator (?)

1U
Artifact Creature - Robot Pilot

Uncommon

Whenever this creature becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card

[tardy echo]

Edge rover seems good

Unless I’m missing something

[trail anvil]

that is a 1 mana 2/2 with reach

also man feather is eating so good this set

[subtle sierra]

monolith is sooo close to being really good but it's sorc speed

[lost widget]

No card found for “veldaken engineer”

[atomic harness]

[[vedalken engineer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/100/vedalken-engineer

Vedalken Engineer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Vedalken Artificer
: Add two mana of any one color. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
Art is unknown to the vedalken—for them, all creations must serve a purpose.
1/1

[sudden lava]

the monolith is nuts

Good thing it's on sorc speed so cant do it in combat

[sleek ferry]

For 3 mana, it shouldn’t have been sorcery speed

3 mana + it’s a rare, the card is actually unplayable

In every format

[copper pecan]

idk i feel like it would be too powerful in limited if you could just turn any block into drawing multiple cards

[sleek ferry]

Idk, I feel like just don’t print this card at that point. This could have been a commander precons card

[subtle sierra]

ngl idk if i drop this on t3 over annex

[sleek ferry]

And not have been in a limited environment

[subtle sierra]

like it both needs setup (albeit not much) and it's sorc speed

it sounds a lot better than it actually is imo

but i'm new to mtg so who knows

if you could react with it into blocks it would be really good

[sleek ferry]

It would be fine, people just wouldn’t block unless they had to

[subtle sierra]

i could see it being like, drop a 2 drop t2, then drop this, ping the 2 drop, and make it say "can't be blocked"

[subtle sierra]

i mostly meant like, if they attack you

maybe i wasn't clear

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, that’s what I was saying, they attack you, you see this is still up, you declare no blockers, pass turn, on your turn now you got a free avenue to attack

[subtle sierra]

oh that works too

[sleek ferry]

Card doesn’t change much in constructed with it being sorcery speed vs not, like salt said, this change was mostly made for limited most likely

Like the card is probably unusable regardless

Outside of limited

[subtle sierra]

ngl i'd like it in constructed if it was instant speed

but alas

[sudden lava]

this with that new monolith

deck em out and kill them with lifeloss

[fallow citrus]

activate only as a sorcery is my most hated line of text

[lapis viper]

Alright

noob question

If a creature has persist and returns with a -1/-1 counter, if I give it a +1/+1 counter, persist would trigger again right?

[fallow citrus]

yes

-1/-1 and +1/+1 cancel each other out

so if they gain that they just lose the -1/-1

[zinc shard]

It getting a +1/+1 counter will remove the -1/-1 counter, and as long as it doesnt already have a -1/-1 counter on it persist can trigger again

[fallow citrus]

there's a very good short explaining this

[lapis viper]

okay that's great

exactly what i was hoping for lol

[fallow citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WOWfwEG8EB8

[lapis viper]

I made a goblin tribal list with [[gut, true soul zealot]] at the helm

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/180/gut-true-soul-zealot

Gut, True Soul Zealot <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Shaman
Whenever you attack, you may sacrifice another creature or an artifact. If you do, create a 4/1 black Skeleton creature token with menace that's tapped and attacking. (It can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
2/2

[fallow citrus]

funny this short is a goblin loop too

[lapis viper]

amazing its literally the exact combo i was thinking of

[fallow citrus]

lmfao

[lapis viper]

I've got a couple different sac outlets in the deck

[fallow citrus]

but yeah the same amount of counters either way will cancel each other out

[lapis viper]

[[viscera seer]] [[goblin bombardment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/199/viscera-seer

Viscera Seer <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Wizard
Sacrifice a creature: Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
In matters of life and death, he trusts his gut.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/279/goblin-bombardment

Goblin Bombardment <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Sacrifice a creature: This enchantment deals 1 damage to any target.
With one motion, a pest is removed and a scourge inflicted.

[lapis viper]

we've seen skirk prospector already but

those are both infinites i've put in

so technically, infinite red, infinite dmg, or infinite scrys

[fallow citrus]

I dream of bombardment in standard with some of the revealed cards

[lapis viper]

would be pretty strong lol

but yeah i was asking around and most people say since this is a 3 card combo it's probably fine in b2

[fallow citrus]

this

and this

[lapis viper]

oh no

lol

[fallow citrus]

with bombardment is my dream

sac a token ping opponent for 5

[sleek ferry]

we are so making gruul artifact burn in standard

and nobody can stop me

[fallow citrus]

I'm playing temur artifacts

I called it being correct and then they proved me right

[sleek ferry]

what's the upside of playing blue

synth?

[fallow citrus]

you can play this

also a lot of artifact synergy in blue generally

[sleek ferry]

I think, I could be wrong

but isn't pinnacle a much better modern card?

[fallow citrus]

this is nice for the sac outlet for example

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah for sure

[sleek ferry]

I remember looking at pinnacle and thinking to myself "this is some MH ass design"

[fallow citrus]

this was in a discussion about the card

but yeah I think there may be 2 or 3 different artifact variants after this set

[sleek ferry]

yeah that adds up lmao

[glad peak]

nah pinnacle is fine, maybe might even be weak since it requires so many steps

the real MH design is the 1 mana 2/2 with upside for some reason

[fallow citrus]

maybe r/g artifact aggro is the idea with stuff like edge rover being an amazing 1 drop

repurposing bay for a token just gives you a 1cmc artifact right

just trying to think of playing some of these cards in synth

[golden plover]

Have they made a single good land this set lol

Also this art is a bad pick for this card ngl

Makes it look like a random artifact

[twilit canyon]

should have surgical'd in response to ftk them

[tardy echo]

I forgot to say but I got hit by massacre wurm for 18 damage yesterday

[sleek ferry]

It doesn’t make sense, but I’ve won 24 of my last 26 games with this deck

My only 2 losses were the only 2 games I didn’t get to max speed

And izzet has been one of the easiest matchups for me

[copper pecan]

6/6 adjective nounmaw with trample

they've done it again

[zinc shard]

7 mana

smh

[zinc shard]

uhhh

[ornate cedar]

So I just read through the cards in my Timey-Wimey Dr Who deck and I think it may already be cracked out of the box

It just needs some cards swapped in and out

Definitely need to get Clara too lol

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/rnysI_pn53g?si=Jl58gPt4EddGCXsP

[ornate cedar]

Ooh I like this

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/aL37cHOeYJw?si=BQfgR5QULuNkRxhG

[fast tide]

Tried tricky terrain raw for the first time

82 beetle tokens later

https://tenor.com/bO9WV.gif

Holy fuck I couldn't use my mana fast enough

Drew 12 cards off Finale of Revelation

[sudden lava]

Celes + persist combo go brrrr

[zinc shard]

nice reprint

[golden plover]

Figured out today how to finally consistently force the humans player to pop Jirina at the wrong time and lose Alesha

That's tough on Dimir to have to bait out hexproof and get the kill

[trail anvil]

you should try copying mana reflection next

also get a copy of [[doppelgang]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/198/doppelgang

Doppelgang <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
For each of X target permanents, create X tokens that are copies of that permanent.
"Suspect spotted at the Tin Street Market, Yescu Street entrance. And the Oak Street entrance. And somehow also in Lobar Alley!" —Avult of the Foundway Associates

[fast tide]

That's how I ramped up so hard well.. having mana reflection, not copying it

The game after I had everything counters on all my land and cloudpost was casually tapping for 8 mana

These are hella fun

[atomic harness]

Does white or black have repeatable enchantment removal?

Not aura shards

[fast tide]

65/65 Hydroid Krasis

Thank you Basilisk Gate

https://tenor.com/bO9WV.gif

[atomic harness]

@gilded glade @stark skiff look what I got

[atomic harness]

Need some help deciding my 3 gamechangers for Raffine

My options are Rhystic Study, Smothering Tithe, Fierce Guardianship, Orcish Bowmasters, and Narset, Parter of Veils

[gilded glade]

That's so gaymerz

[atomic harness]

Thinking fierce obm and rhystic

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

Rhystic tithe guardianship

Unless you’re running wheels or expecting people to be drawing a bunch

[atomic harness]

yeah people tend to draw a bunch wherever I play so obm has been very good

[atomic harness]

Any tataru taru fans in chat

[trail anvil]

I love me some tataru taru

[fallow citrus]

Memorial Vault
3{R}
Artifact
{T}, sacrifice another artifact: exile X cards from the top of your library, where X is one plus the mana value of the sacrificed artifact. You can play those cards this turn.

[ornate cedar]

Is that a Keebler Elf?

[lusty trench]

Got the ff lairs for my partner today

damn

[lusty trench]

Factory ink mark

[ornate cedar]

Those of you familiar with Dr Who set, which is a better buy first: the deck with the first 8 Doctors, or the deck with the 12th and 13th doctors? Leaning towards the first 8 Doctors deck

Singles are out of the question because i want them Dr WHO treatments and shipping makes things exorbitantly expensive compared to just getting the sealed deck

[lusty trench]

12th and 13th has the better individual cards iirc

Danny pink goes for like $18

[ornate cedar]

DAMN DANIEL

Ok, thank you Jot

[glad peak]

reminder that card values don't matter until you sell them

[ornate cedar]

Or if you have to buy them :p

This isn’t for investment to be fair

I want to play with Danny Pink :3

Give me the Pink

[glad peak]

nah he blue

[ornate cedar]

D:

Does he have a blue house with a blue window?

[glad peak]

no but has... children

[ornate cedar]

But I thought Danny was sterile

Isn’t there a reason he and Clara don’t try having kids?

Is it because of the war?

[glad peak]

he has like 5 children around him, no other context on who he is

[ornate cedar]

Why would Moffat write him like that? Is he stupid?

Wait am i blocking out a repressed memory? When did Danny have five random kids with him?

Was it the tree episode?

Oh yeah he was a teacher

Jeez i need to rewatch DW

[sudden lava]

You mean other then her traveling in the diner TARDIS but also being on the brink of death for eternity?

[ornate cedar]

But i thought she was in lesbians with Maisie Williams?

[sudden lava]

She bi technically

[ornate cedar]

more reason Clara is the GOAT

Oswin indeed

Did they ever get back to that, or did they just drop that for maybe someone else to pick up later?

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/jenna-coleman-clara-oswald-doctorwho-yeah-amused-gif-10629381

btw there is speculation she might return

[ornate cedar]

She’ll be the 17th doctor :3

After Billie gets three specials no less

It’s tradition

[sudden lava]

The lady from time hotel (can't remember name at the moment) mentioned "The Boss" said to say hi.
Which 15th Doctor noted down for the future

[ornate cedar]

The Boss huh? Would RTD reference something from the Moffat era though? /s

Again, i need to catch up with Who lol

I dropped it in the hiatus between series 9 and 10 and it sounds like i missed out

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-clara-oswald-oswin-too-short-bossy-gif-11987489

"The boss"

[ornate cedar]

Did they let Ncuti keep his accent?

I would hope after they let Capaldi

Like he sounds Scottish and not like an RP cosplay?

Noice

[atomic harness]

Can I use psychic frog's second ability multiple times before it gets applied? And I'm guessing once it already has flying, I can't give it flying again

[[psychic frog]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

[sudden lava]

Also subtle hint that 13th here @ornate cedar may have influenced 16th to be Rose Tyler's appearance

[ornate cedar]

Strands? Like Death Stranding?! Is Rose an Extinction entity???

[sudden lava]

Strands like DNA, but yeah very excited to see what Rose Doctor/16th will be like 😄

[ornate cedar]

I just want more show

Even if Rose doctor is hokie

I just hope the show isn’t going back to indefinite hiatus

[golden plover]

You can put either ability on the stack as many times as you want . You can also do the exile ability multiple times if need be

[golden plover]

Whoops replied to the bot and not you

But above

[atomic harness]

Oh thanks, even if I already gave it flying before?

[atomic harness]

Interesting designs

[storm elbow]

oh yeah these are all kinda neat

except fro lawnwhip i feel

[golden plover]

Yup doesn't matter if it's already got flying or not. Magic cards are (usually) very literal

And there's nothing saying you can't

Wait fallers faithful is kinda cracked, no?

Like at least for standard and limited

[glad peak]

correct, a card can have "flying, flying, flying, flying" and it'll still be legal to give it flying

[golden plover]

It's the cheapest rare we've seen for murder on a body + technically upside

[storm elbow]

fallers is def a card i will be happy to draft

espec with warp as a set mechanic

[golden plover]

In draft you probably don't care as much about them drawing two or you can kill one of your warp guys

And in constructed you're likely targeting your own guy with it, yeah?

[glad peak]

not being able to target self makes it less good for me but it's still really good

[last glen]

at that point it'd be a draw 2 for 3 CMC with potential synergy upsides

[tardy echo]

Black card seems very cool

And resolve seems nice?

[golden plover]

It's a kill trigger and comes with a body

We get that kind of effect for one mana, but it's got potential room for upsides

And can be used aggressively if you know the draws won't save them

Hell, usually the "destroy target creature that was dealt damage this turn" effect is 3-4 mana as is

[glad peak]

Sure but it would increase flexibility which was what I meant

[last glen]

ye
that kind of flexibility would probably push it over the edge

[glad peak]

Good thing we’re supposed to go over the edge in edge of eternities

[gritty nest]

Edge

[ornate cedar]

Can’t handle all this edge

[zinc shard]

This seems like a fun commander

[sudden lava]

Tannuk is red Henzie

[glad peak]

Henzie’s already red

[sudden lava]

But Tannuk got that extra red

[fallow citrus]

ohhh this is crazy surely

[trail anvil]

well that goes directly into lumra

shame it only returns permanents tho, but that's still a lot of value

[gritty nest]

I control Jolene, the Plunder Queen, Xorn, Pitiless Plunderer, Knuckles the Echidna, Grim Hireling, and Professional Face-Breaker. I attack with a 3/2 trample, it gets blocked by a 2/2. How many treasure tokens am I making?

[glad peak]

0 because you’re going to conveniently miss the triggers because my partner is pointing a laser

[gritty nest]

Lmfao

[stark skiff]

Jolene makes 1 on attack. Jolene creates an extra and Xorn makes an extra. So you get 3 on attack declaration.

After combat you have PFB making one, Grim making two, and Knuckles making one. Xorn makes an extra of each. So 7 total for damage. 10 with Jolene spares.

Once your 3/2 dies you have Plunderer making one and Xorn making an extra one so 2. Plus Jolene 3.

So 12 total treasures. 16 with my forgotten Jolene addition

[gritty nest]

[[jolene, the plunder queen]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/73/jolene-the-plunder-queen

Jolene, the Plunder Queen <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a player attacks one or more of your opponents, that attacking player creates a Treasure token.
If you would create one or more Treasure tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional Treasure token.
Sacrifice five Treasures: Put five +1/+1 counters on Jolene.
2/2

[gritty nest]

Grim makes 4, knuckles and PFB make 3 each

And plunderer makes 3 too

[stark skiff]

Sorry I forgot to factor Jolene making an extra one. Just add those to my count ez

16 final answer

[sudden lava]

Picked up this and a bunch of stuff for them at locals today

[tardy echo]

This seems… good?

Certainly cool

[glad peak]

Good? No

Pretty cool though

[tardy echo]

Oh wait it’s 5 mana

[subtle sierra]

Yeah

If it was less it'd be nuts

Green spells that give you +2 lands are usually 4 cost

[atomic harness]

Sigh... what about cultivate

[subtle sierra]

[[cultivate]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/95/cultivate

Cultivate <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, reveal those cards, put one onto the battlefield tapped and the other into your hand, then shuffle.
All seeds share a common bond, calling to each other across infinity.

[twilit canyon]

what about it

[subtle sierra]

This only places one

Sure it's +1 card advantage wise but this isn't ygo

What i meant about the 4 cost ones they're like say [[circuitous route]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/635/circuitous-route

Circuitous Route <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards and/or Gate cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"The shortest path between two points is not always the safest." —Tamina, district guide

[atomic harness]

oh I see I thought you count the land you get from it in the hand as the second

I have much to learn...

[subtle sierra]

Nah ur fine

I think you played more mtg than me at this point

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-what-kind-of-place-is-this-gif-25340238

[glad peak]

Cultivate is mid

[gritty nest]

My sonic lair has shipped

[golden plover]

Okay now that we've seen every spacecraft and 95% of the cards in the set, we can agree the ships are all garbage, yeah?

[sudden lava]

isnt there still a card dump later today?

or did it already happen

[golden plover]

The card dump is currently happening

[sleek ferry]

The commander 1 drop is good

[golden plover]

True, but it's the only one

[sudden lava]

https://i.redd.it/50lyenwdmndf1.jpeg

Pangolin!

[wary night]

He hoi. Is sonic secret lair worth, I've heard eggham is a good fun commander + shadow been really good

[golden plover]

Wait lmao they changed the commander rule for 5 whole spacecraft

Elevator can't be your commander

[sudden lava]

I thought the legendary spacecrafts were gonna be a cycle, oof

[golden plover]

Yeah weird we only got a single one

[glad peak]

As always there are some interesting mid power cube cards

[golden plover]

There's some okay cube cards and I wanna build the kavu as a casual commander

I like the idea of warping in a blightsteel to one shot someone

[glad peak]

A friend wants to put that in neriv but mainly because there aren’t that many good haste enablers

And the rest of their deck is expensive creatures for some reason

[golden plover]

I'm trying to think of what fun big artifacts to warp in

[glad peak]

Wormcoil

[golden plover]

Hmm [[Covered Jewel]] is funny

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/353/coveted-jewel

Coveted Jewel <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, draw three cards.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls attack you and aren't blocked, that player draws three cards and gains control of this artifact. Untap it.

[golden plover]

3 mana draw 3 and tap for 3

Actually, can I warp in an Embercleave? I assume I can?

[glad peak]

Sure but it’ll still be exiled

[golden plover]

Yeah but I mean a much cheaper Embercleave is funny

[glad peak]

True, I need to reread the wording on warp and [[embercleave]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/120/embercleave

Embercleave <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each attacking creature you control.
When Embercleave enters, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip

[broken fjord]

Think the warp can get discounted

[sudden lava]

Alright 10 cards left (though gotta buy 14 forests) for my Quina list ❤️

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/KycgiU3_OcU?si=AExc-Q1WebOnT2TJ

[trail anvil]

and multiple vehicles

[zinc shard]

All new cards coming to Arena

We're getting closer and closer to cEDH on Arena

[trail anvil]

untapped permanent 👀

[atomic harness]

Oh that's rly strong

[golden plover]

THIS IS WHERE THE NAME NEBULA DRAGON AND THAT ART WENT?? DUDE WHAT

How do you use the name nebula dragon for this???

[past socket]

Shoutout to the true GOAT of Vehicle Legends The Indomitable

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1395849235869466704/a5f2965b-91c7-4d7d-9a75-e101ada8c07a.png?ex=687bf167&is=687a9fe7&hm=e3e0b8e210711748e8f6cba45379a7dfff6abad483a49279f49dc5ce62752ec8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=666&height=930

uh

isn't this a super egregious pie break?

the creature doesn't need to be one you control

since when does green get [[justice strike]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/grn/182/justice-strike

Justice Strike <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target creature deals damage to itself equal to its power.
"Those who show no mercy to the weak deserve no mercy from the strong." —Firemane Kavrova

[trail anvil]

wait wtf

[last glen]

it can only deal damage to opponent creatures

[trail anvil]

it can target opponents' creatures though

[last glen]

I guess if you really want to give an opponent's creature +1/+0 and vigilence and then use it to remove itself or another problem creature you can

[copper pecan]

you can have the creature deal damage to itself

green isn't supposed to get that kind of unconditional removal

[last glen]

guess they feel like they gotta push green

and don't want to do it by giving green more protection effects

[golden plover]

WAIT WHAT

That's gotta have slipped through play testing

[twilit canyon]

this reads like a deal damage spell not a justice strike so its probably an error

[golden plover]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying

As printed, it's justice strike now tho

So it's a pie break they probably didn't catch

Totally getting a day 0 errata since this is a green murder rn

[subtle sierra]

they really want me to add more green to my golgari, huh?

[golden plover]

I'm sure this will be fixed before the set goes live

[subtle sierra]

has this happened before?

[golden plover]

Yeah, at least one card per set nowadays gets a day 0 errata lol

QC has been lacking lately

[storm elbow]

Well they did say they wanted to push green so maybe its intentional

[twilit canyon]

this isnt a good card either way btw

the errata would only be for a pie break at best

[golden plover]

I mean it hits 95% of the creatures in standard rn

Not like broken, but green decks without black would play it

[twilit canyon]

its 3 mana

thats

fine

fails to kill some funny targets

like yuna

and vivi

[golden plover]

Yeah, that's on rate for the effect for something like justice strike

[twilit canyon]

justice strike is 2

thats terrible

[golden plover]

Of 2 different colors

And it's actually cheaper than [[Clash of the Titans]] and similar

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/111/clash-of-titans

Clash of Titans <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature fights another target creature. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
"Let the brutes fight. If they kill each other, we lose no more soldiers today." —Orthion, Lavabrink captain

[golden plover]

It wouldn't be format defining or anything

[copper pecan]

i don't think green should be getting justice strike at all