Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

either a quality card that will haste your board, or a cheap card that will haste your board

[subtle sierra]

Can we just reprint tyvar with a different name

I love the card

[twilit canyon]

card is really good yea

[subtle sierra]

I just started loving him too late

Idk for now i think i would focus on just pure golgari and go slower and look if they release some haste enabler in next sets

Cause idk if they're worth at 4 mana

[[enduring courage]] actually boosting the plants is funny tho

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/133/enduring-courage

Enduring Courage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Dog Glimmer
Whenever another creature you control enters, it gets +2/+0 and gains haste until end of turn.
When Enduring Courage dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
3/3

[twilit canyon]

it is lol

[past socket]

Glimmers my beloved

[atomic harness]

Hey gamers, would smth like [[steam vents]] count as an island for [[wonder]] or only the basic island or snow covered island?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/288/steam-vents

Steam Vents

Land — Island Mountain
(: Add or .)
As this land enters, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/170/wonder

Wonder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Incarnation
Flying
As long as this card is in your graveyard and you control an Island, creatures you control have flying.
"The awestruck birds gazed at Wonder. Slowly, timidly, they rose into the air." —Scroll of Beginnings
2/2

[past socket]

Steam Vents would count for Wonder since it is an island

If something requires a Basic Land it’ll specify which is nice

Like [[Myriad Landscape]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/380/myriad-landscape

Myriad Landscape

Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for up to two basic land cards that share a land type, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/288/steam-vents

Steam Vents

Land — Island Mountain
(: Add or .)
As this land enters, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/170/wonder

Wonder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Incarnation
Flying
As long as this card is in your graveyard and you control an Island, creatures you control have flying.
"The awestruck birds gazed at Wonder. Slowly, timidly, they rose into the air." —Scroll of Beginnings
2/2

[past socket]

I did just answer lmao

But, once again, ye

[atomic harness]

Oh sorry, discord is

dying

thanks!

unrelated: I have decided to buy a couple of modern cards and jam it into my edh decks

[past socket]

Fetches and Shocks are really nice yeah

Note the former has no colour identity

So you can, if so inclined, play the ones that get you the lands types you want

To use Steam Vents as an example you could use not just the Mountain Island fetch one, [[Scalding Tarn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/254/scalding-tarn

Scalding Tarn

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for an Island or Mountain card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[past socket]

You could also play Fetchlands like [[Arid Mesa]] and [[Wooded Foothills]] for mountains

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/244/arid-mesa

Arid Mesa

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a Mountain or Plains card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/236/wooded-foothills

Wooded Foothills

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a Mountain or Forest card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Home and hunting ground for Kaldheim's fearsome trolls.

[past socket]

Or ones like [[Polluted Delta]] and [[Misty Rainforest]] for Islands

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/224/polluted-delta

Polluted Delta

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for an Island or Swamp card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
A warped gateway that seeps toxins and malevolence into the waters around Towashi.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/250/misty-rainforest

Misty Rainforest

Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a Forest or Island card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[atomic harness]

[zinc shard]

This deck is fun

[subtle sierra]

Sigh smugglers deck

[wary night]

Are there any alternatives to buster sword?

It's pretty expensive

[urban crane]

Just pull it

But serious answer it’s commander the one card game format where there’s a bunch of possible replacement I say like just any equipment could work

[lusty trench]

Commanders plate is a good ine also money tho

Buster sword isnt good so youll find a lot of better replacements for it

[wary night]

I think it's way cheaper. Bs is like 45 and dark plates 10 or 14.

[lusty trench]

Im talking this one

[wary night]

What! It read fairly well icl. Does it cost a lot because "cloud used it, so its expensive"

[wary night]

Oh sorry

[lusty trench]

Pretty much that and its a designated "timmy" card (designed to have an effect that reads really good but when you realise the hoops you have to jump through to get it off its not worth it)

For buster sword to work the thing its equipped to needs 1 protection so people dont just remove it and 2 evasion so it can hit face without being chump blocked

If you already have both, what youd want next is a big stat equipment like colossus hammer to start removing plauers via commander damage, you dont need the bonuses that buster sword gives

[wary night]

Honestly that's true. What would you be casting of its mana effect really?

Commander plate been the same price as bs is kind of mid but if it's the better one I'll pick it up

[past socket]

Got in some test games with Eriette

Great time and look forward to building her in paper

[ornate cedar]

Welp, helps with the inevitable hate Cloud will get at the table lol

Being a Voltron and all

(Although I want to play it as a wider strategy personally for more casual matches)

[wary night]

Chat is it a bad sign that I want to play a jin gitaxus deck

Commander just looks so cool >:)

[glad peak]

Nope Jin gitaxius is a very mid commander

Very cool but very mid so no one should be mad at you

[wary night]

Ah, it balances out then

[sudden lava]

which one?

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1389988440631808010/SPOILER_image.png?ex=68669f1c&is=68654d9c&hm=53a7c799ff908bf8aa1807bbbe4345823db2d9d23f720f9c239bb3d838a28eae&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1025&height=129

holy shit they said the fuck word in todays story

magic has finally cashed in its one pg13 usage of fuck

[sudden lava]

They used it twice

[barren cairn]

[wary night]

this guy? If you meant a specific build, I'm not sure which one. Recommendations would be appreciated

[sudden lava]

Ok so not the unfun zone one

[glad peak]

Tbf this one is stronger than other one as a commander by far

[wary night]

Which one is that? Theres a few jins

[wary night]

You wouldn't be running more than 1 type of jin in the same deck, or is that possible?

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t because they’re not good but you can if you want

[lusty trench]

Id advice against running jin mainly because its a huge hate generator, the table will want you gone before you can drop jin/keep removal up for him constantly

[sudden lava]

0 hand size for everyone else and +7 during owner's end step. GL (does cost 10 mana tho)

[wary night]

I'd definitely like to try it out it idk how to build an mtg deck like I do a yugioh deck if that makes sense.

[glad peak]

Building a magic deck is just like building a goat format deck ngl

[wary night]

Fair
If only there were a deck in that I could unsurprisingly summon jin

[wary night]

Fr?? That's helped a ton icl

[glad peak]

A bunch of staples, some combos here and there, and maybe some fun stuff

That only applies to commander btw, constructed you have to be a bit more careful

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/b_4YZYqzgH4

[wary night]

Oh boy. Do you have any good recommendations for vids or guides on good staples/combo/ramp stuff?

Guys idk about ye but sonic doesnt really feel magical. Maybe that sonic knight game or sonic unleashed could work

[glad peak]

Commander’s pretty weird in that you’re not supposed to play good cards depending on playgroup so it’s hard to judge

(Yes, people will say “no you’re not supposed to play bad cards, you’re supposed to play fun cards” as if you can’t have fun with good cards but that’s common in every card game)

[wary night]

So it's really just pick a few cards that look like they work and pray
That sounds fun

[glad peak]

There’s some staples like mana rocks and interaction you’re going to want

Please please run interaction

I don’t want another person complaining about how they couldn’t do anything because they played against an opponent with a stronger engine and they only run 2 interaction spells in the deck (my friend, mostly)

[wary night]

I would like to run a few instants icl. Not that I have any good ones but like you said, getting steamed by a better engine doesnt seem fun when your running that much interaction

[glad peak]

Not just a few, you’re going to want a lot

Especially in blue

Minimum I’d say like 10

Or if not then at least lots of ways to draw cards

[wary night]

Oooh so I'd be really cooking on turn 5. Hopefully.
Just making sure, are ramp cards there to provide gas or to draw cards?

[glad peak]

Ramp is to provide mana for future turns

With Jin you can double mana rocks for more mana and draw spells so you can dig for probably a combo and some interaction

[wary night]

That sounds fragile but fun asf, cant wait to play it

[glad peak]

With this guy you can even run [[arcane laboratory]] to screw over anyone not running creatures

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https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/60/arcane-laboratory

Arcane Laboratory <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
Too many wizards spoil the spell, but too many spells spoil the wizard. —Sign on entry to arcane lab

[glad peak]

It’s fragile but pretty much the only real way to play a mid commander

[wary night]

YES

I may or may not become the worst person on the table lol

Stun to me in mtg seems less lame than in yugioh, idk why tho😭

[wary night]

Eh, better than nothing

[glad peak]

It’s pretty lame ngl

Not good by any means but people will still complain

[wary night]

So just general card game issues

[glad peak]

If you don’t want to hear complaining then commander is not for you

Well neither is modern nowadays

[wary night]

Eh I'm kinda use to it. Yugioh over the years be having that effect

[sudden lava]

new station card leaked

[lusty trench]

Its ass sadly

Bulk mythic

[glad peak]

What is it?

[lusty trench]

Sonic non chase bonus card

[fallow citrus]

that is an abnormal amount of pixels

[lusty trench]

I like that the flavour text is tikals prayer

[sudden lava]

it was from the previously linked elderdragonhijinks episode

[lusty trench]

"People really liked our lotr event and ff events where we gave out dice what should we do next? Space themed dice?"
"Fuck no give them some knicknacks and send them on their way"

[twilit canyon]

being on a land makes this a lot better than it reads. its not good mind you but it is not bad.

[ornate cedar]

Goddamn the art for this set is sick

[wary night]

This reminded me of the fairy fountain from loz😭 is there a chance we see loz in mtg?

[lusty trench]

Possible but wouldnt count on it because nintendo is very protective of its ips

[wary night]

Yeah that's fair enough

Wondering if this is worth buying?
Its 90 for Japanese ed
And 110 for English ed

Annnnddddd they wont ship after them 14th💀dang.

[trail anvil]

"oh shit, mtga mail with an attachment!"

common wildcards for hopeless nightmare ban

https://tenor.com/view/maçavras1-gif-16101498646883457546

[storm elbow]

This feels like setup for a cycle

[trail anvil]

it was revealed to be a cycle through leaks, and tbh considering maro's teasers it's very likely

the blue one is probably the "Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts." teaser

[copper pecan]

literally the first thing that got revealed about the set was that there's a mythic land cycle so yeah probably

[atomic harness]

What are some other rly good frogs? Prodigy and Psychic Frog come to mind

[[psychic frog]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

[atomic harness]

my beloved

[sleek ferry]

I like [[dour-port mage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/47/dour-port-mage

Dour Port-Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Wizard
Whenever one or more other creatures you control leave the battlefield without dying, draw a card.
, : Return another target creature you control to its owner's hand.
"Find your mooring and stop clogging the shipping lanes!"
1/3

[sleek ferry]

There’s also [[glarb]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/215/glarb-calamitys-augur

Glarb, Calamity's Augur <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Frog Wizard Noble
Deathtouch
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells with mana value 4 or greater from the top of your library.
: Surveil 2.
2/4

[sleek ferry]

And [[helga]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/217/helga-skittish-seer

Helga, Skittish Seer <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 4 or greater, you draw a card, gain 1 life, and put a +1/+1 counter on Helga.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Helga's power. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells with mana value 4 or greater or creature spells with in their mana costs.
1/3

[zinc shard]

[[Flubs]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blc/356/flubs-the-fool

Flubs, the Fool <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Frog Scout
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card if you have no cards in hand. Otherwise, discard a card.
He knows exactly where he's going and exactly how he isn't getting there.
0/5

[sleek ferry]

There’s also the card everybody thought would be broken but ended up not doing much [[thalia and the gitrog monster]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/255/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster

Thalia and The Gitrog Monster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Frog Horror
First strike, deathtouch
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Creatures and nonbasic lands your opponents control enter tapped.
Whenever Thalia and The Gitrog Monster attacks, sacrifice a creature or land, then draw a card.
4/4

[zinc shard]

cant forget the goat, [[Yargle]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Yargle”, can you be more specific?

[zinc shard]

[[Yargle, Tyrant of Urborg]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Yargle, Tyrant of Urborg”

[atomic harness]

[zinc shard]

ffs

[[Yargle, Glutton of Urborg]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/202/yargle-glutton-of-urborg

Yargle, Glutton of Urborg <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Frog Spirit
When Belzenlok's lieutenant Yar-Kul grew too ambitious, the Demonlord transformed him into a maggot. The frog that ate the maggot grew and grew, until a ravenous spirit burst from its body.
9/3

[sleek ferry]

[[growl ok the omnivore]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/238/grolnok-the-omnivore

Grolnok, the Omnivore <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Frog
Whenever a Frog you control attacks, mill three cards.
Whenever a permanent card is put into your graveyard from your library, exile it with a croak counter on it.
You may play lands and cast spells from among cards you own in exile with croak counters on them.
3/3

[past socket]

Don’t forgot [[The Gitrog Monster]] the original Gitrog

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/238/the-gitrog-monster

The Gitrog Monster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Frog Horror
Deathtouch
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice The Gitrog Monster unless you sacrifice a land.
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, draw a card.
6/6

[past socket]

Honestly wanna play Okaun|Zndrsplt just to play my GOAT Edgar

Absolutely champion of my FF6 playthrough so far

[stark skiff]

[[the gitrog ravenous ride]] beast card and commander

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/206/the-gitrog-ravenous-ride

The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Frog Horror Mount
Trample, haste
Whenever The Gitrog deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice a creature that saddled it this turn. If you do, draw X cards, then put up to X land cards from your hand onto the battlefield tapped, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
Saddle 1
6/5

[fast tide]

https://tenor.com/7dji.gif

How's the Eldrazi Incursion precon

[zinc shard]

overpriced

[fast tide]

Ah yep just saw the price

https://tenor.com/vvZC50s1dW2.gif

[zinc shard]

yea unfortunately Eldrazi have high prices

[fast tide]

Fack, they look great for unga bunga big bodies too

[zinc shard]

if you want unga bunga, Dinosaurs are a nice choice

[fast tide]

I did ask about that is there a good dino precon

[barren cairn]

There's the pantlaza ixalan one

[zinc shard]

Veloci-Ramp-Tor

[fast tide]

[glad peak]

Very boring and overpriced

Literally the epitome of land > pass until it’s land > big thing, very boring strat

[barren cairn]

I own it it's fine

Pantlaza is do thing get value

So it's not exactly hard to do things with it

Its at least less pressure from your opponents compared to like, gishaath

[glad peak]

I’m very confused as to why less pressure because pantlaza is actually cedh viable

[atomic harness]

are you kids alright w proxies

[glad peak]

Very much so

[copper pecan]

proxies are based and goated

[atomic harness]

My sultai battlebond proxies came in the mail

These also

I wish the green free commander spell wasnt poopoo

[stark skiff]

Quick question can you play a card like Decadent Dragon in a commander deck of Ureni? Since Ureni isn’t in black?

[atomic harness]

[[decadent dragon]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/223/decadent-dragon-expensive-taste

Decadent Dragon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying, trample
Whenever this creature attacks, create a Treasure token.
4/4

Expensive Taste
Instant — Adventure
Exile the top two cards of target opponent's library face down. You may look at and play those cards for as long as they remain exiled.

[atomic harness]

I think decadent dragon is forced to be in rakdos right

[lapis viper]

Yeah I don't think you can play it

Since it's outside of your commanders color identity

[[ureni]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “ureni”, can you be more specific?

[lapis viper]

Death

[atomic harness]

hello Maya welcome to the good game

[lapis viper]

Well anyway

Hello kiddo

I have been having a blast

I finished skullbriar, Choco, and rogdog so far

Feels like a good mix

[atomic harness]

[past socket]

Currently building Eriette of the Charmed Apple myself

[atomic harness]

oh huh life from the loam is pretty cracked huh?

[glad peak]

Very

[copper pecan]

dredge is such a stupid mechanic

[glad peak]

Correct, you cannot which is unfortunate

[trail anvil]

very much a staple in certain decks

[urban crane]

Yep

[trail anvil]

when do y'all think we're gonna get battles again?

[waxen timber]

Modern horizon 5: Crisis in End Game on Infinite Earths (Brought to you in partnership with McDonalds®)

[wary night]

How many dredge 5 are in the game?

[atomic harness]

was planning to loop otawara and boseiju w it

and a buncha other stuff

[trail anvil]

hey if you like life from the loam have you tried it on a commander yet

[[slogurk the overslime]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mid/242/slogurk-the-overslime

Slogurk, the Overslime <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze
Trample
Whenever a land card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, put a +1/+1 counter on Slogurk.
Remove three +1/+1 counters from Slogurk: Return it to its owner's hand.
When Slogurk leaves the battlefield, return up to three target land cards from your graveyard to your hand.
3/3

[atomic harness]

Ohh

interesting

[sleek ferry]

Yeah idk about yall, but I’m ready to bring back Cori

[tardy echo]

It has been 3 days

[atomic harness]

No More Lies = goat

[subtle sierra]

I left azorius for my new love golgari...

[atomic harness]

@stark skiff @trail anvil [[mesmeric orb]] [[the wise mothman]] is kinda messed up holy

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/272/mesmeric-orb

Mesmeric Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Whenever a permanent becomes untapped, that permanent's controller mills a card.
A step in one direction is two steps away from another.

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/4/the-wise-mothman

The Wise Mothman <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Insect Mutant
Flying
Whenever The Wise Mothman enters or attacks, each player gets a rad counter.
Whenever one or more nonland cards are milled, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures, where X is the number of nonland cards milled this way.
3/3

[glad peak]

That only makes mothman big, does nothing

Food chain combo with mothman on the other hand…

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1390347395581349998/image.png?ex=6867ed6a&is=68669bea&hm=ab6e7bc0c3f3813ec357cac8afc5e1c2c78da96b15cc7c6967b1ff724170122b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=579&height=809

from the story today

[stark skiff]

i hate mill decks

sadly theres a mothman player at my locals

[ornate cedar]

I don’t get it, would you explain as someone who hasn’t been here since Aetherdrift?

[sudden lava]

mothman is more counter then mill
Edit: WHY DID I SAY IGNORE INSTEAD OF MILL?!

[glad peak]

Mothman is 100% ignore

[sleek ferry]

It was a joke about how aggro being less prevalent means more control decks that play mass counterspells/removal

[wary night]

Do ye think spiderman is going to cost more than the ff stuff?

[wary night]

From fallout?

[sudden lava]

yep thats the one they are definitely referring to

[sudden lava]

I meant mill not ignore, why did I say ignore

[wary night]

YO
I love the art, look sick

Also what cards could I remove from the limit break deck. I heard 10 cards could go but idk if that true

[sudden lava]

what are you adding in?

[wary night]

Good question.
I wanted to add some better artifacts/ equips and najeela the blossoms

[sudden lava]

isnt Najeela 5 color?

[wary night]

Uh.. maybe, let me double check.

[sudden lava]

yeah she is, so unless you are making her the commander that's not a legal swap in

[wary night]

Wait fr? How come I cant use her in the deck normally?

[lusty trench]

The 5 colours in her abikity cost count as part of her colour identity

[sudden lava]

^

[lusty trench]

Colour and colour identity are two different things

[wary night]

I'm a lil confused

But I get it

[lusty trench]

Shes a red card by colour and a wubrg card by colour identity

Colour identity is what matters to put in your deck

[sudden lava]

because she has wubrg in her text box her color identity is wubrg despite being a red card basically

it's why [kenrith] can use all 5 colors

[[kenrith]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “kenrith”, can you be more specific?

[lusty trench]

This counts for all mana symbols in any part of a cards text box (on front and back sides too)

The exception is reminder text like extort

[sudden lava]

[[kenrith returned king]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/ELD-303/kenrith-the-returned-king

Kenrith, the Returned King <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble
: All creatures gain trample and haste until end of turn.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Target player gains 5 life.
: Target player draws a card.
: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under its owner's control.
5/5

[wary night]

Ah ok, I get it now

[lusty trench]

So terra from the main set is wubrg as well because she adds all 5 colours as part of her flip sides ability

[sudden lava]

While it isn't an equipment, [[Annie Joins up]] goes well in the limit break list as an upgrade

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/191/annie-joins-up

Annie Joins Up <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment
When Annie Joins Up enters, it deals 5 damage to target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls.
If a triggered ability of a legendary creature you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
One last job, then she could retire in peace.

[sudden lava]

this adds 1 for each tifa trigger, additional trigger for cloud's triggers also

[wary night]

Wow
So, using clouds trigger, I could do 10 damage?

[sudden lava]

the 5 damage from Annie doesnt double, its only for the creatures

[wary night]

So could I run her in the main deck if I had all of those colour lands?

[sudden lava]

So for naya cloud it will equip up to 2 equipment, draw a total of 2x for each equipped creature attackin and (if at 7+ power) create 4 treasure tokens

[lusty trench]

Your commander would have to be all 5 colours in colour identity

[wary night]

Oh yeah sorry, i get you know. I was thinking the reverse

[wary night]

Ok so it would need to have those 5 colours at the top right and not 2 plus 1 fire

[lusty trench]

It would have to have all 5 colours on it anywhere

Doesnt matter where they are

[sudden lava]

For Tifa both her melee and her ability for connecting in combat will get a bonus "one" from Annie Joins

[lusty trench]

These two are both 5 colour commanders

[sudden lava]

(I say "One" because that additional combat applies per player hit and Annie will see them as different instances. So hitting 3 players turns into 6 additional combats )

Speaking of, taking Tifa, Bumbleflower, and my Pearl-Ear decks to locals today

[wary night]

Yesh, so it does it twice but 1 at a time

[wary night]

Ok so. Why cant I use these in the main deck. Sorry, I was just trying to grasp the whole thing of the 5 colour cards
Is it because nejeela is red with the red background

[sudden lava]

Note the untap isnt tied to the first combat, so you wont need vigilance as long as you manage to keep connecting a big enough creature to face

As for equipment suggestions

[lusty trench]

Its because the ability cost has all 5 colours, so they cant go in cloud whos only 3 colours

[sudden lava]

Evasion is very useful, psychic paper is a cheaper option but regalia and paper can both be used to give your stuff unblockable.

[wary night]

Oh! Ok! So lets say I had a 5 colour cloud, could I use najeel then?

[sudden lava]

If there was a 5 color cloud, then you could.

But there sadly isnt

[wary night]

I'll probably have to grab the psychic paper lol

OK I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT. OMG THAT took wayyy to long
Thanks for been patient with me ( u to @lusty trench thanks )

I guess I could just run najeela as commander and then use cloud in the md.....

[sudden lava]

Keep in mind if you run Najeela as your commander, you are gonna have to convince your opponents you aren't playing it super high power (unless you are) because Najeela is 100% cedh

[wary night]

High power all the way babyyyyy

[wary night]

The 2nd combat is so good. Now I can see why tifas like 3 bucks

[sudden lava]

And a notable point on the wording is that because its when a creature deals combat damage, double strike counts as separate instances of damage on top

The first strike damage and the regular damage, Tifa will see both

Aka Akroma's Will goes "time to shuffle up and play again"

[wary night]

This reads crazy

[lusty trench]

Its "games over fuck nuts" the card if it resolves

[wary night]

So you could have clouds attack etc but then Tifa gets 2 instances of damage?

[wary night]

How do you stop it lol? Just instant/card negation?

[lusty trench]

Pretty much

[glad peak]

Or removal with it on the stack

[sudden lava]

A first striker and someone without attacking one person (Or just a double strike on a single attacker) would be two instances. Where as usually 2 creatures attacking one player would only result in one (due to how combat works)

And yeah Akroma's Will is crazy strong in combat focused white decks

[wary night]

🤔
Theres a white 5 unit that I have, lemme get the name, cause I'm wondering if Akroma works well with her

[past socket]

[[!Kibo, Uktabi Prince]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/40/kibo-uktabi-prince

Kibo, Uktabi Prince

[past socket]

Very friend

[wary night]

It was rosa, resolute white mage
A 4, not 5 light creature

[copper pecan]

be playing brawl against a tifa player
look away from the screen for like 5 seconds
look back
tifa now has 80 power for some reason

[lapis viper]

Limit break?

[copper pecan]

no it was scapeshift

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1390445387889905774/Screenshot_20250703_233321_Reddit.jpg?ex=686848ad&is=6866f72d&hm=3116e221f63122a41f385b002122da9f3679702a7180d91771cbfa2b658b2059&=&format=webp&width=674&height=930
unrelated but this looks neat

[lapis viper]

Understandable

[lapis viper]

Wait this is probably good

[copper pecan]

12 counters is a lot to ask for but the etb effect is good so it's probably good

[lapis viper]

It reads pretty good but expensive

[copper pecan]

also [[leyline of the guildpact]] is in standard right now

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/217/leyline-of-the-guildpact

Leyline of the Guildpact <:managw:292901508977000448><:managu:292901509035851788><:manabg:292901508863754241><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Enchantment
If this card is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Each nonland permanent you control is all colors.
Lands you control are every basic land type in addition to their other types.

[copper pecan]

so this could be viable

[twilit canyon]

unfortunately there are enough reasons for maindeck disenchants which can absolutely hurt you with leyline

still, can be neat for sure

[copper pecan]

i regret to inform you that it has happened again

[lapis viper]

Do we have any cards that do anything with charge counters yet

Or do they just go on and then chill

[copper pecan]

charge counters don't do anything by themselves

[trail anvil]

||"all artifacts and creatures with mana value 2 or less"||
||what a time to ban cori||

[fallow citrus]

there are a few existing cards that do stuff with charge counters

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=(oracle%3Acharge+oracle%3Acounter)+(game%3Apaper)

I only ever remember [[coretapper]] myself though

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/244/coretapper

Coretapper <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Myr
: Put a charge counter on target artifact.
Sacrifice this creature: Put two charge counters on target artifact.
It converts the faintest surges of power from Mirrodin's core into usable energy, providing endless power for Memnarch's creations on the surface.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

if lockdown wasnt keeping steel cutter usage down, an artifact with the same effect that red has a better time removing isnt gonna be what is needed

[lapis viper]

Interesting

[wary night]

Wha du hell am I reading.
This is interesting

[glad peak]

Oh hey a 3 mana cube staple

[trail anvil]

fair enough

star charts looks nice for lategame when you're struggling to dig for an answer

early game it's definitely below rate, but in the common situation where you're behind and digging for a board wipe you wanna preserve all the mana you can

[last glen]

brain check
Station isn't OPT, right?

[copper pecan]

nope

[sleek ferry]

“Oh hey temporary lockdown is rotating soon”
WOTC: :^)

[golden plover]

Found one of three LGSes in the whole state (Alaska) and bought a collector booster lol.

[trail anvil]

how many kidneys did you sell to buy one?

[golden plover]

It was $25 (Aetherdrift, so not selling that well)

Didn't pull anything great but it was worth it to support the local store and their queer owners

[golden plover]

Zenith being a mythic and that much worse than cori really shows how busted cori was lmao

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/wildstwawberry/status/1940770838401503367?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

winnie! (@wildstwawberry)

Here’s a helpful chart to tell what dual lands each two color pair will have after Edge of Eternities comes out in a few weeks! (It’s also a sneak peak of something I’m working on!)

X · Jul 3, 2025, 1:53 PM

[copper pecan]

orzhov, boros, and simic are eating good i see

[tardy echo]

||Welcome back temporary lockdown||

More balanced version but

[subtle sierra]

||it still banishes my plants 😠 ||

[tardy echo]

Ur fault for playing that deck

Also it doesn’t cook it the same because actual roots the card stays up

[subtle sierra]

Ik

[tardy echo]

It’s a really good reveal for pixie though

[subtle sierra]

Also i took second place yesterday so L bozo

[tardy echo]

Even though pixie is probably still cooked

[sudden lava]

Ah yes the [marina] of spacecrafts

though at the moment we dont know any multi colored spacecrafts besides guideline station

[stark skiff]

With the Steam Summer Sale I figured I should ask which Final Fantasy should I pick up? Already planning on 1 and 6. Only played original 7.

[subtle sierra]

You should prob ask in #video_games

[lusty trench]

Damn wotc you got the whole squad laughing

[subtle sierra]

[subtle sierra]

Why does every card game now have among us references in their space themed sets?

[lusty trench]

[subtle sierra]

Holy

[subtle sierra]

@atomic harness mike tyson is back

[twilit canyon]

timeline cutter is actually really goated wow

[lusty trench]

Call him an afton cause he always comes back

Cheap ass revival costs

[hidden ermine]

Huh it doesn't have can't block on it

I guess it's since it exiles before it can block

[twilit canyon]

warp lets u cast it again for 2 though

[hidden ermine]

Yeah but it can only block every other time

[twilit canyon]

still a raw upgrade in that department over like

bloodghast

[hidden ermine]

Ye

Just a thing I noticed

[twilit canyon]

still better to view it as a repeatable shock

[hidden ermine]

Since usually they can't block outright for limited

[twilit canyon]

true

though its more of a shock as a whole anyways

if blocked, well gg it comes back anyways

hard removal has to be used in combat rather than before so culler also triggers any attack triggers well

opponent has to dedicate a full exile spell to get rid of it

[trail anvil]

the fact that it can attack on its first warp makes it so nice too, cause you're paying 1 mana that time

[subtle sierra]

Do i add this to roots

He leaves the gy by himself

[twilit canyon]

honestly? maybe

[subtle sierra]

And you can mill to access him

[twilit canyon]

depends on how roots evolves

[subtle sierra]

Ye ig

[twilit canyon]

if it becomes more of an aggro deck

absolutely

possible nasty turns with this

[subtle sierra]

I think it might become slower

[twilit canyon]

very likely tbh

[subtle sierra]

Like make 3 or so roots, if they live, next turn go to combat, if they don't block, boost with ooze banishing all creatyres

Etc

[twilit canyon]

but a more aggro roots list is certainly something to entertain

[subtle sierra]

Mtgtop8 lists roots as golgari aggro

Which is why the deck flew under my radar for a while

Also being slower might mean you play a bit more lands idk

But mold tender and elves are usually enough for mana

Just that tyvar made mana for free

[copper pecan]

i'm reading the story and i like how nobody has any idea what tezzeret is talking about

[past socket]

Got a Miracle Worker precon! So excited to turn it into a nice Master of Keys deck

[zinc shard]

Special Guest card:

[sleek ferry]

9, the answer is always 9

[stark skiff]

Oh right Vivi hype

Look at my pickups thugs and @atomic harness

[sleek ferry]

Are those dragon scale fetches….

[stark skiff]

yes

[trail anvil]

lordy

[stark skiff]

just missing the simic fetch in dragon

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/stillman_steve/status/1940959308596076989?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Still Steve, Man (@stillman_steve)

You just can’t make this stuff up

X · Jul 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

[wary night]

https://rhysticstudies.substack.com/p/the-rules-text-is-irrelevant

Thought this was interesting but important ish to read

[subtle sierra]

this is cute ig

[twilit canyon]

roots synergy

[sudden lava]

Hydra brrr

[wary night]

Is iron scale hydra used at all?

[sleek ferry]

synergy for that 3 drop hydra

[subtle sierra]

i'm winning some big event with this and roots

[glad peak]

[[iron scale hydra]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/296/ironscale-hydra

Ironscale Hydra <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
If a creature would deal combat damage to this creature, prevent that damage and put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
"Put down your bows, you fools! Arrows only make it angry!" —Callia, Hyrax Tower scout
5/5

[glad peak]

Nope

[sleek ferry]

[[warden of the grove]] you noob

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[wary night]

Aw
Dang it

[glad peak]

I’m checking the other card lol

[storm elbow]

Oh thats a fun effect

[sudden lava]

https://i.redd.it/8hcow6novxaf1.jpeg

Cool looking Sliver token

[hidden ermine]

Forbidden soup

[zinc shard]

This seems busted

[twilit canyon]

its solid

[glad peak]

It’s fine

4 mana would be the thing that kills its viability but we’ve seen weirder things happen

[golden plover]

Is this not a card that's already in standard?

I'm like p sure there's a guy that already does this in Tarkir?

Hmm... Rakdos Reanimator feels kinda real rn

[trail anvil]

you're thinking of [[lasyd prowler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/149/lasyd-prowler

Lasyd Prowler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake Ranger
When this creature enters, you may mill cards equal to the number of lands you control.
Renew — , Exile this card from your graveyard: Put X +1/+1 counters on target creature, where X is the number of land cards in your graveyard. Activate only as a sorcery.
5/5

[golden plover]

Oh this does not do nearly anything the same lol

Definitely the card I was thinking of tho

[stark skiff]

There’s 2 digital sensation secret lairs here. Do I buy them and gamble for snapcaster mage?

[fallow citrus]

you shouldnt but

yes

[stark skiff]

[lapis viper]

Yes

[stark skiff]

Rip both had command towers

[barren cairn]

[stark skiff]

Do we go for the final fantasy reskinned elementals

[ornate cedar]

Oh fuck yeah green is SO back

[trail anvil]

starfield shepherd looks like nuts value for 2 mana?

land drop or haywire mite already seem solid enough for me

[tardy echo]

More pixie support….

Were Joe back

[sudden lava]

I want monored warp dont get me wrong, but not sure about paying 8 total for the dragon. At least its a 3 mana 4/5 flying haste at first

[golden plover]

I'm really torn on Nova Hellkite

It feels... Fine?

3 mana for 5 damage is pretty good ngl

[tardy echo]

3 mana 4/5 flyer that does 1 damage shrug

[golden plover]

I mean, that's pretty good

And then it becomes a lategame threat

[tardy echo]

It seems fine

[golden plover]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the best cards in the set in a sleeper way

Reminder when Screaming Nemesis and Emberheart Challenger were revealed and people here were shitting on both and I mentioned that both were very good

[twilit canyon]

too bad mite is rotating

[golden plover]

Not as sold on this

[last glen]

Starfield Shepherd Angel support?

[tardy echo]

Warp as a mechanic just seems really good

[golden plover]

But it's a 3 mana 5 damage swing that's also divided between 2 targets

[tardy echo]

Who in gods kingdom reads nemesis and thinks that card is bad

[golden plover]

Legit people here were saying Nemesis was unplayable

Actually what's the rate on a burn spell for 5 damage divided between two targets?

It's like 3-4 yeah?

So Hellkite is a lot more playable than he initially reads

[tardy echo]

Moreso just wondering what deck exactly wants that card

[golden plover]

Anything red aggro

He's you're topend

[twilit canyon]

would agree if red didnt already have 2 stupid good 3 drops

[golden plover]

3 mana to deal 5 and come back around later

I mean, red lost a lot of their good cards rn

[twilit canyon]

tersa and nemesis idt this replaces either

yeah at the 1 and 2 cost

not 3

[tardy echo]

[[tersa]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “tersa”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

red's not struggling for 3s

[[tersa lightshatter]]

[golden plover]

I think he's viable for red moving forward

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/127/tersa-lightshatter

Tersa Lightshatter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Orc Wizard
Haste
When Tersa Lightshatter enters, discard up to two cards, then draw that many cards.
Whenever Tersa Lightshatter attacks, if there are seven or more cards in your graveyard, exile a card at random from your graveyard. You may play that card this turn.
3/3

[tardy echo]

Die

[golden plover]

Tersa is good too, but I think these might go into different builds

We could see a lightning red build in the future ngl

[twilit canyon]

magic players once again, try and build big red

[golden plover]

With lighting this is 9 damage on 4 and 1 mana open

[twilit canyon]

thats turbo slow and lightning still dies way too easily

[golden plover]

Ehh, depends. With a turn inside out you've got protection and an otk

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt doubt this dragon sees some play but def not a staple

[golden plover]

Not sure it's fully viable, but I think the dragon is strong regardless

[twilit canyon]

format would have to slow down significantly and both torch the tower and cut down would need to be gone for lightning to see play

[sleek ferry]

Hellkite would have been good in my Gruul beanstalk deck….

[past socket]

[[!The Master of Keys]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/4/the-master-of-keys

The Master of Keys

[past socket]

Truly the peak of Horror art

[trail anvil]

oof

[golden plover]

Hope we get a blink effect this set

[[Splash Portal]] is the only standard legal one

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/74/splash-portal

Splash Portal <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. If that creature is a Bird, Frog, Otter, or Rat, draw a card.
"Don't ask me how it works. If I stopped long enough to question it, I'd lose my legs." —Lorb, frogfolk wizard

[sleek ferry]

[[scapeshift]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/201/scapeshift

Scapeshift <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Sacrifice any number of lands. Search your library for up to that many land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Whether we like it or not, our arrival has altered the landscape." —Malcolm, navigator of the Belligerent

[sleek ferry]

Errr

[golden plover]

Creatures

[sleek ferry]

wtf was its name

[[scrollshift]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/34/scrollshift

Scrollshift <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile up to one target artifact, creature, or enchantment you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
Draw a card.
Bim lashed out with the only weapon she'd never run out of: lecture notes.

[sleek ferry]

This is the best blink effect in standard right now

[golden plover]

Yeah but it's 3 mana

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, but it’s an instant

[golden plover]

Yeah but I want a cheap blink

[subtle sierra]

It also rotates

[sleek ferry]

I think I finally got my Abzan list to a comfortable place

[subtle sierra]

this leaked before

[past socket]

Wondering was there any leaks on the same level as New Phyrexia before or since?

As much as it’s probably impossible to top everything before even spoilers

[sudden lava]

oh its a 2/3? ok

[golden plover]

Oh interesting. Ketramose proccs off Warp. Is it time for him to finally not be a fraud?

[subtle sierra]

👁️

[past socket]

Puny god

[golden plover]

I think he's still a fraud

But he's less so if there's like 3 good Orzhov warp cards

[twilit canyon]

ketramose only really a fraud in standard bc this format lacks the ways to enable him

and dw unless warp goes particularly hard he'll remain a fraud in standard

[trail anvil]

I'll cope to that 🍺

[atomic harness]

Thank you misty

[past socket]

Ketramose, God of Potential

[trail anvil]

unless you're in brawl, then it's "most obvious control buildaround in your life"

[copper pecan]

iirc all will be one and mh3 had almost their whole sets leaked before spoiler season even started

[rigid scarab]

Does the aftermath incident count?

[copper pecan]

that wasn't the entire set was it?

[ornate cedar]

So does Edge look good to those of you who have seen all or most of the previews?

[lusty trench]

They arent anywhere near done but so far it seems fine

Feels like another hat set but at least this one is a lot more broad

[copper pecan]

i don't think this is a hat set

other than the amogus card i haven't seen any cards that are references to anything

[lusty trench]

Some of the cards are scifi horror themed with like the bugman army card

[copper pecan]

i feel like it needs to be more than just "there are themes" for it to be a hat set

[tardy echo]

Wdym by hat set

[lusty trench]

Fair, i think because the set is so broad it feels a bit like theyre getting all of the tropes out there but weve only seen a small sample

[lusty trench]

Thunder junction, murders karlov manor, duskmourn

[tardy echo]

What exactly does it mean

[lusty trench]

Its like a broad shot at a genre

[tardy echo]

I see

[lusty trench]

Its like you put different hats on characters and went this is the blank set

[tardy echo]

Okok that makes sense

[lusty trench]

So for thunder junction they got cowboy hats and its the wild west set

[tardy echo]

Well I feel everything from this set is inherently going to be at least a little bit themed because it’s a space set

But it doesn’t really feel like they’re riffing off of tropes

[lusty trench]

Thats sort of what im getting at but this is just fear speaking, so long as theres not like 5 or so more cards like amogus im pretty happy with the set

[golden plover]

I think a big issue MKM and Thunder Junction had were established characters randomly being cowboys now too

So far we don't have much of that which is good

But it felt really silly when Lavina was suddenly a detective and Marchesa was suddenly a saloon girl

[ornate cedar]

MKM also established an entirely new Ravnica guild made entirely of…. Detectives. It just feels kind of lame compared to the color philosophy based divisions

That added to the “hatness” of MKM

[copper pecan]

i feel like a detective guild makes more sense than a murder clown guild tbh

the problem was that it also made everyone else detectives and not just that one guild

[golden plover]

Yeah there's literally like 5 established characters who randomly became detectives that set

Including a former guild leader (Izoni)

Also, stuff like Steamcore Scholar really does not help with the hat set theme

I'm sure there's other examples

But a Weird literally wearing a detective hat for no reason stands out the most to me as too silly

[copper pecan]

it looks like it's photoshopped on

you could tell me this was an edit someone made for hellscube and i'd believe you

[golden plover]

Honestly. This art looks so wacky

[ornate cedar]

Yeah that is the quintessential hat set ur example

[golden plover]

Same with the Tenth District girl now with a hat

I'm blanking on her name, but that one looks stupid too

Mileva

[ornate cedar]

I saw a video claiming that other magic product is starting to be bought up with FF supplies starting to dwindle. Have you seen any anecdotal evidence of this?

[sleek ferry]

Before FF, Tarkir dragonstorm prices were through the roof

[stark skiff]

Yeah I remember that lol

[sleek ferry]

PSA

[[zahur, glory’s past]] is a crazy card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/229/zahur-glorys-past

Zahur, Glory's Past <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Cat Warrior
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
Sacrifice another creature: Surveil 1. Activate only once each turn.
Max speed — Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
3/2

[golden plover]

In what?

He's like decent in raise the past

But he feels like shit to be playing any turn after 3ish

[sleek ferry]

Currently playing him in abzan midrange

Zahur + mosswood is just infinite draws + tokens for grind

Deep cavern bats + Severance Priest control the tempo, while priest is also a great blocker

You can also priest etb, sac it while it’s etb is in the stack, get a token and they never get the token from priest’s ability

[last glen]

you know
I always thought Omniscience was a lingering sorcery
not an enchantment

[wary night]

Why does everything have a hat

[stark skiff]

Where is the Squall promo card from?

[lapis viper]

Lemme cop one on the low for my mom

[golden plover]

Playing Rakdos Reanimator rn and maybe Zombify shouldn't have been in Foundations

T4 Ardynn into Valgavoth is DIRTY

[twilit canyon]

the problem is these lists always feel like worse yuna and they die harder to grave hate

maybe in bo1 they kinda fuck

but otherwise they feel much worse than the other gy decks

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think the yuna list is worse and loses to us every game

We can swap game plans to aggro if they hate us too much

And we can clean up their stuff with Ghost Vacuum. Notably getting their overlords or Yuna breaks the grind game

Had a game earlier where we both had ghost vacuum cracks on 6 (2 of their white overlords and 1 Clarion conquerer on mine, my Atraxa on theirs). Got my Valgavoth and killed their Yuna. Taking their Yuna absolutely blew them out

Even with my own Atraxa, they couldn't reach it

[twilit canyon]

they dont ever have to dump tho they can just ramp with overlords

yuna still gives them keyword soups like zur

[trail anvil]

I think rest in peace and leyline of the void are good cards

yuna sounds a lot more resilient to me when you can play the cards out as midrange threats anyways

[tired agate]

https://x.com/ChefGreginald/status/1941641384517124373

Cliff Boyardee (@ChefGreginald)

This is why ai overview is awful, and you should always ignore it 👍

X · Jul 5, 2025, 11:32 PM

Congrats on the new bans.

[stark skiff]

ah dang my bad i just sold them to some people who wanted the stuff.

[lapis viper]

F

No worries homie

[sleek ferry]

Resolving severance priest is such a drug

Resolved 1st severance priest ripped haunt woods, 2nd ripped Yuna, 3rd ripped Bahamut

[wary night]

Is there a dark souls deck in magic

😭

[wary night]

Bahamut rip is insane

[sleek ferry]

You don’t really care about giving up the 9/9, they lose 1 of their wincons which is a bigger deal

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/zZsuAA_CPlQ?si=R4e8Xl1x33OqhhVr

[subtle sierra]

i love when you get into a bo3 in arena

then counter their first spell

and they just leave

[atomic harness]

[sleek ferry]

Realistically, if I was tryharding I would be on annex, but I’m not, so quit asking

[subtle sierra]

[[severance priest]]

[[severance priest]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/222/severance-priest

Severance Priest <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Djinn Cleric
Deathtouch
When this creature enters, target opponent reveals their hand. You may choose a nonland card from it. If you do, exile that card.
When this creature leaves the battlefield, the exiled card's owner creates an X/X white Spirit creature token, where X is the mana value of the exiled card.
3/3

[zinc shard]

Brother, name your decks

[subtle sierra]

it is named

it's New Deck (49)

[wary night]

Ah right, got you

[lusty trench]

The ship of fuck you

[copper pecan]

this seems really bad but also really funny

[last glen]

clearly they know the target market

[tardy echo]

The actual ultimate Timmy card

[glad peak]

Happy they confirmed multi tiers

[rigid scarab]

Sorry a little lost, why does it say when you attack

Wait nvm

Im an idiot who needs to rethink his life

[sudden lava]

cuz its any creature of yours attacking

[trail anvil]

that's fuckin hilarious

[sudden lava]

[[stuffy doll]]

[trail anvil]

just casually turns into marit lage at 20 too

[glad peak]

Nahhh you get to punch your opponent directly

[last glen]

but what if
you tap marit lage to station this

[lapis viper]

can confirm, card is cool as fuck

even if its hotdog water

[tardy echo]

[[marit lage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tm3c/11/marit-lage

Marit Lage

Token Legendary Creature — Avatar
Flying, indestructible
20/20

[tardy echo]

Wao

Not as funny as elder dragon lor

[zinc shard]

Give it life link

[sleek ferry]

Nothing like beating some mono colored bozos in the morning

[atomic harness]

Good job mr charm

[sudden lava]

episode 11 teaser card

[golden plover]

Oh void is just lame revolt

Void also feels like a weird flavor miss? Revolt was the perfect flavor for what this mechanic does and this doesn't represent the void

[copper pecan]

oh good this doesn't work with fetchlands

nice

[sleek ferry]

Wdym, if something warps or something magically disappears, how does it not fit the flavor

[golden plover]

The flavor for warping is that you're speeding away (hence quickly popping up then vanishing)

Void doesn't really feel like a thematic representation of anything

[fallow citrus]

oh that card sucks

[golden plover]

Calling it now, we'll get a void fatal push but it'll be overtuned to be unplayable

[fallow citrus]

it'll just be 4 mana reduced to 2 with void

[golden plover]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too

Or 3 reduced to 1 but it's sorcery speed

[subtle sierra]

When was our last white removal that gives the controller an upside?

Bloomburrow with parting gust?

[golden plover]

Why are people freaking out about Dawnsire btw? Card looks awful

Lemme spend 5 mana, gather 10 charge counters, and attack for a murder

[fallow citrus]

who is people

[golden plover]

It's all the dumb Twitter/reddit threads and like one discord I'm in admittedly

But the fact that more than 2 people think the card isn't unplayable garbage is insane

I saw someone suggest you do it to your own screaming nemesis in standard in a combo that I'm sure takes less than 15 turns

[copper pecan]

these are probably the same people who thought that jumbo cactuar was good

[golden plover]

Yeah true. They see big number and go "Oh strong card"

[sudden lava]

Nah I agree the card is awful, does combo well in stuffy doll decks but only cuz it is an absurdly large ping.

[copper pecan]

if you're already playing stuff like screaming nemesis your deck should be fast enough to win way before you'd ever be able to get this to 10 counters

[sudden lava]

Worst are the people who think voltron for this

[golden plover]

I'm hard on doubling season but at least doubling season does stuff for the 5 mana you spent on it ig

[copper pecan]

why would you voltron this instead of literally anything else

[golden plover]

Legitimately I think Doubling Season is always a huge waste of mana

But like, this makes doubling season look like a cedh card

[copper pecan]

you already need 20 power worth of counters before you can even attack with this, and it's already 20 power anyways

[sudden lava]

If your commander takes this much charge counters without even putting out tokens on enters, I'm hitting it with artifact removal in spite

Just so they learn

[golden plover]

Shit should be flying, indestructible, double strike, deathtouch whatever for the hoops you have to jump through

Honestly should just say "whenever it attacks you win the game"

[copper pecan]

it has 20 power

[sudden lava]

Not to mention it's colorless so even less cards it can run if it's your commander

[golden plover]

Yeah but that doesn't actually kill someone in commander (the only format it's playable in)

Its even 1 short of commander damage

It's bottom tier in limited

And I cannot see a world where it's constructed playable

[copper pecan]

idk i feel like this could be fine in limited

[golden plover]

It's like fine, but by 5 your cards need to be doing stuff

If there's a card that lets you enable a station or station level for a mana cost, maybe?

[sudden lava]

station is just the tapping to put charge counters on it

so more cards to increase charge counters?

[golden plover]

I mean, if you're proliferating surely you can do better things

If there's proliferate, why isn't their prochoicerate

[twilit canyon]

thats ovven tier pun

-2

[subtle sierra]

🔪

[hidden ermine]

I wouldnt even make this pun tbh

[sudden lava]

I can make better puns then that terrible pun

[golden plover]

Fuck y'all, that one was good

[hidden ermine]

No

No it wasnt

[trail anvil]

most definitely not

[sudden lava]

Guideline Station so far still the best of the spacecraft commanders

Not one I would use, but still the best

[sleek ferry]

Holy, this was good

I’m going to add it to my dad joke list

[golden plover]

At least someone appreciates it lol

[sleek ferry]

Dad jokes are elite comedy everybody can relate to

[sudden lava]

Note I mean spacecraft commander as in of the ones that are ships, Kilo seems a solid contender for jeskai counters (especially spacecrafts)

[wary night]

Is the is planeswalker?

[sudden lava]

No, it's an artifact

[wary night]

That is so weird

So is the bottom right loyalty?

[sudden lava]

Bottom right is how much charge counters it needs to unlock that ability

oh wait you said right, thats its power (and toughness)

[wary night]

Ah cool cool, that's very interesting

[sudden lava]

At 10 it gets the huge creature gun (100 damage on something attacking)
At 20 it also is a 20/20 flyer

[wary night]

[sudden lava]

this is the planeswalker of the set

[wary night]

Flying frisbee of death or
Gun

[sudden lava]

both, it is both once it gets to 20+

[wary night]

That reads ok, is it better than it seems

[wary night]

That is insane

[sudden lava]

"When an artifact enters" is stupid easy to do

[glad peak]

He’s not bad

[wary night]

Oh!

[glad peak]

3 mana is cheap and gets tankier with any artifact

His abilities are mid unless you play urza’s saga and saga targets

[sudden lava]

Just any treasure/whatever artifact token generation to get him up if you want the ult

[glad peak]

No, don’t you dare grab sol ring with this

[golden plover]

Honestly I think Tezzeret is cedh viable

[glad peak]

This makes sol ring into one of the worst cards in the game

Tezz is cedh viable but not when you grab sol ring with him

[golden plover]

Yeah, he says "fetch LED"

Which isn't a tool every deck gets to play

But the ones that do want an extra one

[wary night]

Can I grab jeweled lotus

[golden plover]

I'll be proxying him for Elsha and Hashaton

[glad peak]

Almost any Deck can play vexing Bauble (not you elsha) and top, he’s best grabbing those too

[golden plover]

True, all my decks that aren't Elsha run both of the other

And Elsha does run top

[wary night]

[Bauble]

[sudden lava]

Anyway Guideline is Aragorn the unifier commander but your using your multi-color spells to build a spaceship to draw into Aragorn

[golden plover]

There's at least 2 high value hits per deck I think

[glad peak]

[[vexing bauble]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/212/vexing-bauble

Vexing Bauble <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Whenever a player casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
No one knew who invented it. No one knew its purpose. All anyone knew was they didn't like being anywhere near it.

[wary night]

[[Bauble]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Bauble”, can you be more specific?

[sudden lava]

(and adding black to the identity so you can revive the dumb stuff easier)

[golden plover]

Funnily emough, he grabs Esper Sentinel too

Do whatever you want with that info

But I don't think it's relevant

[glad peak]

There’s 2 white cards in this set that can grab sentinel and ballista

[wary night]

Does 1 tap mean it costs 1 mana to use the effect, but it can be used on any turn?

[glad peak]

Biggest heliod buff ever

[sleek ferry]

Tez gives elsha new life with the SDT grab

[glad peak]

Yep

[sleek ferry]

But elsha was in a terrible place to begin with

[golden plover]

We do it in the displacer kitten line with Elsha, but only because you grab your whole deck

[sleek ferry]

In cedh

[sudden lava]

I hope we get some good red stations

[golden plover]

I think Elsha has been fine in cedh ngl

She's not doing the hottest

[wary night]

Ah sweet

[golden plover]

But she's more than playable

[sleek ferry]

She’s pretty mid rn, for multiple reasons

[glad peak]

Elsha’s meh but mainly for the meta

[golden plover]

I am biased but that's because she's my first and favorite cedh commander

[sudden lava]

Because even by B1 Monored planet deck doesn't want that 100 damage to a creature spacecraft

[sleek ferry]

Including the fact that red and white are currently the 2 worst colors in cedh and green is now the 3rd best color

[sudden lava]

There is a joke to be made about that spacecraft, but it's shitty.

Itself is a joke enough

[wary night]

The dawnstar one?

[sudden lava]

yes

[glad peak]

I sort of want to play training grounds thras

[wary night]

If it spreads damage it could be funny in commander

Bam 20 Bam 20 Bam 10 Bam 25 Bam 25

[sleek ferry]

I saw thras/Ardenn put in work in the latest play to win episode

[glad peak]

So one thing interesting I noticed was warped creatures work very well with station

[wary night]

Unless its 100 for 1 creature.
Not the best at telling if a mtg card is good just yet

[glad peak]

It’s 100 for 1 creature

[sleek ferry]

[[training ground]] + [[biomancer’s familiar]] goes crazy with thras

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/9/training-grounds

Training Grounds <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/158/biomancers-familiar

Biomancer's Familiar <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Mutant
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
: The next time target creature adapts this turn, it adapts as though it had no +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2

[sudden lava]

its 100 for one creature

[wary night]

Nvm lol
Idk what I'm talking about

[wary night]

This looks fun

[glad peak]

Very funny combination

1 mana [[thrasios]] activations is crazy

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/46/thrasios-triton-hero

Thrasios, Triton Hero <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
: Scry 1, then reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped. Otherwise, draw a card.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
Beneath crashing waves lies an ocean of secrets waiting to be explored.
1/3

[sleek ferry]

What’s funny is t3 he just put down smothering tithe so the other thras player at the table couldn’t do shit

[glad peak]

Huh yeah that makes sense lmao

I should watch that episode

What does Ardenn do in the partner spot?

[sleek ferry]

It just fills the yoshimaru spot, it didn’t do anything as far as I saw, but I’m sure there’s some reasoning for it

[glad peak]

[[ardenn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/10/ardenn-intrepid-archaeologist

Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Kor Scout
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may attach any number of Auras and Equipment you control to target permanent or player.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"With the right tools, even the sky is within reach."
2/2

[glad peak]

Oh huh

[[helm of the host]] maybe?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/217/helm-of-the-host

Helm of the Host <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a token that's a copy of equipped creature, except the token isn't legendary. That token gains haste.
Equip
Forged out of flowstone for the queen of Vesuva.

[past socket]

Ardenn ❤️

[sleek ferry]

Maybe, also there’s that blue aura

[sudden lava]

the creature I likely had a part in convincing my friend into making through fox punches

[glad peak]

Which blue aura?

[sudden lava]

assuming they mean this

https://external-preview.redd.it/moonlit-meditation-eoe-v0-YVFGtNkzk33eV8IkhoG2tBzx5i5SZ_vqFbPeh6rsKjs.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ebafa3a56712fca218daffe8ea93d6b6800dc617

[glad peak]

What does this have to do with the game that was played online recently?

[sudden lava]

idk

[wary night]

Is it expensive tho

[glad peak]

No it’s 1 mana

[sudden lava]

New charm got leaked

Staple in black decks if you are in archenemy as an archenemy ;p

[glad peak]

That’s

Very mid

Maybe that’s too generous even

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1391906342310117427/image7.jpg?ex=686d994c&is=686c47cc&hm=88fd5d2ba09c1c195756d644a914ad271c953f50674d4d01171bd655eaa0cb17&=&format=webp&width=621&height=809

[twilit canyon]

mid is hella generous

this card is dog

[golden plover]

Lmao they're trying so hard to get green going

[copper pecan]

wow fuck control

[golden plover]

Archenemy Charm is probably decent actually?

[sudden lava]

Green players' learning the word can't and then practicing it in card design THREE times on one card

[twilit canyon]

if it returned to battlefield yeah

[copper pecan]

what's the point of the damage prevention effect though? how often is that gonna come up

[golden plover]

It's got a lot of versatility and decks that would want it would want to play 2 modes

It's instant speed

I think it's better than it reads

[twilit canyon]

they are about to print 20 fog effects

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceship-lego-space-astronaut-excited-gif-15000835

[stark skiff]

commander staple

[sudden lava]

well that's an elevator

[copper pecan]

wow they're really playing it safe with these

[golden plover]

All four of these feel kinda bad

I feel like spacecraft are overtuned to not accidentally break something

[sudden lava]

get it to 20 and then it just says "Fuck it, have all this mana"

[golden plover]

But so far every spacecraft has kinda felt bad because of it

[copper pecan]

i hope these get people to stop asking for big creatures with downsides

[hidden ermine]

The mechanic just feels like worse vehicles

And vehicles have been iffy

[golden plover]

Vehicles are already a really mediocre mechanic, yeah

[lusty trench]

Unless they print a card that proliferates every time you breathe these do not feel it

[storm elbow]

i like some of these conceptually but the numbers just feel so bad

[golden plover]

They need something that lets you cheat whole crewing parts ngl

[copper pecan]

i was expecting there to be more spacecrafts with etb effects

[golden plover]

Same

[storm elbow]

i assume theres something yet to be revealed thatll make it come together

[golden plover]

The fact that most ships need you to sink a bunch of resources into it really sucks

[lusty trench]

Buying a pack of edge of eternities and getting a 3 mana artifact does nothing

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

[sudden lava]

3 commanders and a board wipe

[lusty trench]

Syr vondam fucks

[sudden lava]

Dyadrine is neat

[lusty trench]

Shes probably not good but i like it

[storm elbow]

i really like dyadrine

[lusty trench]

Dyadrine feels too fair for me to like it but its a neat effect

The way my face drooped when i saw xu-ifit removes abilities too

[golden plover]

Raise the Past really likes Str Vondam

[copper pecan]

i'll probably run vondam in raddic brawl

[golden plover]

Yeah the rest of these suck

[lusty trench]

Like i get if she didnt shed be extremely pushed but at the same time im not playing reanimator for the stats

[golden plover]

At least the Boardwipe exiles?

[copper pecan]

i can't see the boardwipe being good unless there are some crazy good spacecraft

and the ones we've seen so far do not lead me to believe that there will be crazy good spacecrafts

[lusty trench]

Obligatory if you should frenzied baloth to someone in pre khans block theyd shit themselves comment

[sudden lava]

combos with the colorless ship from earlier

[golden plover]

Lmao just draw into two 3+ mana rares in limited and do the world's worst setup

Looks like this set is the start of an attempt to power down standard at least?

Now that we've seen more dogshit spacecraft, I gotta give Dawnsire credit ig... It's one of the least dogshit

[sudden lava]

also so many leaks, it almost feels like the leakers are trying to spoil the whole set before debut of spoiler season tomorrow

which is kinda funny

[lusty trench]

GOOD SPACE CRAFT SPOTTED

[golden plover]

It's the best one so far

Not sure how good overall it is

But it's playable

[lusty trench]

Elegy acolyte feels good

[golden plover]

My theory is that station was originally able to be done at instant speed

[lusty trench]

Starwinder is funny

[golden plover]

And that's why they all suck because they changed the mechanic late

Saboteur is either great or awful and I can't tell which

Actually he's crazy good

[copper pecan]

seems pretty good

[golden plover]

I wish starwinder had flash

Black is getting some good cards this set

[lusty trench]

Zero point ballad seems fine

[golden plover]

Ballad is a card you play in limited or a very specific commander deck

[copper pecan]

they probably don't want to have telegraphed flash creatures

[golden plover]

I think so far, the red warp dragon, saboteur, and archenemy charm are the best cards we've seen

[lusty trench]

I quite enjoy cosmogrand zenith

[golden plover]

Oh yeah she's good too

Fair CSC

Actually, I think I'm totally right that station was originally instant speed

That's gotta explain why they all suck and it's a crew variant

[wary night]

Is there a philosopher stone card in mtg? Or a deck surrounded by myths like that?

[sudden lava]

Historic matters deck?

[tardy echo]

Hello enduring curiosity

[golden plover]

Curiosity sticks around and has flash tho

[twilit canyon]

it also only draws 1

curiosity draws per creature

[copper pecan]

winder draws a lot more than 1

[last glen]

If only it was a dinosaur

[copper pecan]

it draws per amount of damage

so if one creature deals 2 damage you draw 2 cards

[lusty trench]

What is a dinosaur if not a scaled beast

[twilit canyon]

im p sure we are talking about acolyte

[sudden lava]

surely we can get red aliens

[golden plover]

Acolyte is closer to gix

[tardy echo]

Yes yes I know

Oops didn’t mean to ping

[lusty trench]

People already comparinf baloth to questing beast

[golden plover]

Acolyte is fine tho

[tardy echo]

Curiosity is also 4 mana without killing itself

[golden plover]

Mono-black loses gix

This replaces him

[tardy echo]

I was talking about sidewinder for the record

[glad peak]

Baloth is very good but not sure if it’s enough

[tardy echo]

Because it’s also blue…

Acolyte is good though yes

[glad peak]

Just trample haste 3/2 for 2 is great

[lusty trench]

Im very curious what the limited environment is gonna look like for this set

[last glen]

Can't believe Wizards decided the answer to blue was to give green a floodgate

[copper pecan]

judging by the spacecraft i'd assume this is a very slow format

[golden plover]

I think they're trying to slow down standard hopefully

But also... I'm 95% sure you could station at instant speed in play testing

[lusty trench]

Id assume so but a lot of the creatures seem to be decently beefy so im thinking this will be anotjer mardu limited format

[fallow citrus]

space fog....

also they were cowards for this set

they should have made the 2/2 robots karnstructs instead

[sudden lava]

yep double

[gritty nest]

What bracket would you consider a deck that’s consistent enough to win a game on turn 4-5 without infinites

[golden plover]

I found my pre-release promo

I love that it's not even an instant

HOLY SHIT WELCOME BACK WOOD ELEMENTAL

[sudden lava]

that is one chonky space eel

[golden plover]

Is he though? Like best case he's a 9/9 for 8 that ramps you 9

More realistically he's a 9/9 for 8 that ramps you a net gain of 2?

Actually statistically he only nets you 1 land

I guess you can make him like a 24/24 but why would you

[gritty nest]

[[wood elemental]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me4/175/wood-elemental

Wood Elemental <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
As this creature enters, sacrifice any number of untapped Forests.
Wood Elemental's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Forests sacrificed as it entered.
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