Magic the Gathering

[lapis viper]

I figured there's a bit more to it than that on paper

But surely playing atraxa or markov or something kinda dictates how low your floor is

[rigid scarab]

The amount of commanders that are so good that you’ll accidentally make a good deck out of them is low enough to be negligible

But generally, you can know when a Commander itself is good when it draws cards on its own

But a Commander by itself doesn’t really determine a bracket

[lapis viper]

I see

I've been just running down the list of popular commanders to see if anything jumps out at me

[rigid scarab]

As long as you know to catch yourself, you can land at just about any bracket with just about any commander

[lapis viper]

I just want to make sure if I do pick one that happens to be "good" the ppl I'm playing with will still have a good game

Yeah that checks out

[rigid scarab]

Don’t get me wrong there are some commanders that people will groan at being pulled out, but that’s because of the stigma generated from the decks those commanders tend to represent

Like people groan when [[Beamtown Bullies]] is pulled out

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies

The Beamtown Bullies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Devil Warrior
Vigilance, haste
: Target opponent whose turn it is puts target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under their control. It gains haste. Goad it. At the beginning of the next end step, exile it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
4/4

[rigid scarab]

But on their own, Beamtown Bullies isn’t incredibly strong

But you can very easily make it pretty obnoxious

[lapis viper]

Yeah I can see how it could be abused

What happens if you choose a colorless card as your commander?

What color identity do you follow?

[glad peak]

Colorless usually

[lapis viper]

So you'd be forced to play only artifact/vehicle creatures?

Those are the only ones I can think off the top of my head other than 1 off guys

Oh wait I just googled it

That's a lot better than I thought

Apparently it's not just the commander color but any color in their text as well

[barren cairn]

Eldrazi also tend to be colorless

[copper pecan]

the only fully colorless commander i've used is the new ugin and that's only legal as a commander in brawl

[storm elbow]

My favourite colourless commander is [[golos, tireless pilgrim]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/226/golos-tireless-pilgrim

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Scout
When Golos enters, you may search your library for a land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
: Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn without paying their mana costs.
3/5

[rigid scarab]

I have a [[peregrine dynamo]] deck I wanna turn physical

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/19/the-peregrine-dynamo

The Peregrine Dynamo <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
, : Copy target activated or triggered ability you control from another legendary source that's not a commander. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
Jhoira stumbled upon an ally, not just a good source of spare parts.
1/5

[rigid scarab]

So the idea is

You copy annihilator

🙂

[lapis viper]

Can you target yourself with an ability?

Specifically looking at [[the ancient one]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/222/the-ancient-one

The Ancient One <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Spirit God
Descend 8 — The Ancient One can't attack or block unless there are eight or more permanent cards in your graveyard.
: Draw a card, then discard a card. When you discard a card this way, target player mills cards equal to its mana value.
8/8

[lapis viper]

I assume you can

[storm elbow]

if it says "target player" then you can target yourself

[lapis viper]

Since it doesn't say target opponent

That seems pretty good

[storm elbow]

yeah it says target oppoent when you cant

[lapis viper]

I just looked through 600 commanders lol

Of those, 14 looked fun

[fallow citrus]

many such cases

[lapis viper]

In order

[[Flubs, the fool]]
[[Rendmaw, creaking nest]]
[[Helga, skittish seer]]
[[Skullbriar, the walking grave]]
[[Etali, primal conqueror]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blc/356/flubs-the-fool

Flubs, the Fool <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Frog Scout
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card if you have no cards in hand. Otherwise, discard a card.
He knows exactly where he's going and exactly how he isn't getting there.
0/5

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/5/rendmaw-creaking-nest

Rendmaw, Creaking Nest <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Menace, reach
When Rendmaw enters and whenever you play a card with two or more card types, each player creates a tapped 2/2 black Bird creature token with flying. The tokens are goaded for the rest of the game. (They attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.)
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/217/helga-skittish-seer

Helga, Skittish Seer <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 4 or greater, you draw a card, gain 1 life, and put a +1/+1 counter on Helga.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Helga's power. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells with mana value 4 or greater or creature spells with in their mana costs.
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave

Skullbriar, the Walking Grave <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Elemental
Haste
Whenever Skullbriar deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Counters remain on Skullbriar as it moves to any zone other than a player's hand or library.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness

Etali, Primal Conqueror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Trample
When Etali enters, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
: Transform Etali. Activate only as a sorcery.
7/7

Etali, Primal Sickness
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elder Dinosaur
Trample, indestructible
Whenever Etali deals combat damage to a player, they get that many poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
The contagion spreads and the Multiverse quakes.
11/11

[lapis viper]

Would probably be the top 5 of those

Skullbriar sounds really fun

[sleek ferry]

You don’t like [[zinnia, valley’s voice]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blc/4/zinnia-valleys-voice

Zinnia, Valley's Voice <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
Zinnia gets +X/+0, where X is the number of other creatures you control with base power 1.
Creature spells you cast have offspring . (You may pay an additional as you cast a creature spell. If you do, when that creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
1/3

[lapis viper]

Meh

[urban crane]

Be warned Etali also has a stigma of being not well liked

[glad peak]

Why?

I thought etali was loved by all

[copper pecan]

a lot of people really don't like decks that use the opponent's cards against them

[glad peak]

True but I thought etali was the deck everyone loved against all odds

Steals, has infect, and it’s pretty much all ramp

But a chunky boi

[sleek ferry]

Counterpoint: new Etali is cedh viable, and casuals hate any commander that’s cedh viable

[glad peak]

Counterpoint: casuals love Vivi

[sleek ferry]

Counterpoint to the counterpoint: Vivi is literally the most beloved character in FF

[glad peak]

Counterpoint to the counterpoint to the counterpoint: casuals love huge storm combo if it’s not happening to them

[lapis viper]

Yeah vivi is cool but I'm sure it'll be overplayed

[copper pecan]

vivi is definitely the commander from the set that i've seen the most in brawl so far

[trail anvil]

I feel like I've seen tymna the most out of the new commanders

[trail anvil]

just a heads up, flubs looks hilarious on paper but he turns into a solitaire deck pretty quickly

since you need to keep an empty hand, landfall storm is more or less just how he functions

I think you'll find a lot of fun commanders over time but that seems like a decent selection otherwise

[glad peak]

Yep flubs is literally just a bot deck

[lapis viper]

Word

[lusty trench]

I reference this video every time my partner casts tidus

https://tenor.com/view/faxjam-ffx-final-fantasy-final-fantasy-10-wakka-gif-12698388661123466603

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/13817492/tifa_lockhart this is disgusting

[lapis viper]

is kenrith a good commander too?

I pulled the [[Noctis Lucis Caelum]] version

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https://scryfall.com/card/fca/23/kenrith-the-returned-king

Kenrith, the Returned King <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble
: All creatures gain trample and haste until end of turn.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Target player gains 5 life.
: Target player draws a card.
: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under its owner's control.
5/5

[lapis viper]

on paper he seems really strong

[broken fjord]

He's pretty good. Kinda an all rounder.

[glad peak]

he's very good

not as good as he used to be but 5c utility with a win condition attached along with it having a built in grind game and it being able to get big is pretty good

[twilit canyon]

kenrith has always been kind of busted bc of how versatile he is

just infinite build potential

[glad peak]

he's overshadowed by other decks in specific things here and there but he's very good overall

[lapis viper]

oh damn

borderless foil is apparently like 50

[lapis viper]

Also got a borderless red xiii which is like 30

Apparently I pulled better than I thought

[gritty nest]

i was told to add fastbond to a deck

[glad peak]

It’s a good card but uh

[trail anvil]

you should add channel too

[gritty nest]

ill make sure to add [[Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/229/rofellos-llanowar-emissary

Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
: Add for each Forest you control.
2/1

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/13817492 What do you guys think i can trim to add in more card draw? I was unironically thinking sol ring

[lusty trench]

They raised the price on their charity lair

$10 more

[golden plover]

What the fuck

[glad peak]

You don’t understand, it’s for -tax write offs- charity

[golden plover]

They'd be losing money if they sold a lair for $30

Don't you understand how broke WoTC is

[glad peak]

I never liked it when companies sold things in the name of charity

You pay for things and they get the tax writeoff

[gritty nest]

That’s fair

[zinc shard]

Hmm

[lapis viper]

Yoo I did it

I played a game of commander

It was fun honestly but I definitely suck at the game

[gritty nest]

My friend got a JP foil kefka purphoros for $20

I think she made her money back

[trail anvil]

nice, glad you enjoyed!

[urban crane]

Nice wich commander you played?

[urban crane]

Also what do people think of the naya cloud commander?

[lusty trench]

Standard voltron commander but there's way better options than him

[sudden lava]

Living Weapon effects are better for him

[sudden lava]

Naya Cloud isnt voltron

[lusty trench]

Oh right hes go wide equipment matters isnt he

That probably makes him worse

[sudden lava]

yeah he wants wide equipped armies not a tall voltron style

That said there are people who play him as voltron cuz free equip, but those people are wrong

[trail anvil]

tbh doesn't kellan work better as a go wide equipment commander considering he's also a tutor in the command zone

[copper pecan]

most of the kellan players i've played against used him as [[colossus hammer]] turbo

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https://scryfall.com/card/afc/202/colossus-hammer

Colossus Hammer <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +10/+10 and loses flying.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"There's only one way to be sure it's really dead."

[lusty trench]

Anyone else annoyed vivi is so strong because they just wanted to build him as a cute deck and he turned out to be degenerate

[gritty nest]

No, because I expected degeneracy by existing

[lusty trench]

At least I can build locke and be fine

[trail anvil]

yeah idk vivi just exudes degeneracy on the package

[sudden lava]

A bit scared for the EOE reveals, panel at magiccon will have some news on EOE surely

As the set can easily help fill out the Mars deck I want to make, but it can also go the completely wrong direction and make the aliens not accessible to the commander I want to use (who is Mono-red)

[lusty trench]

There was a fair amount they could've done to bring him in line, its not like the character itself is the most powerful character that was given a card (that goes to either the summons or dion who as bahamut cast zettaflare)

Its meant to replicate his double cast trance but instead its just infinite cast.

[copper pecan]

i feel like they really should have made it so that he taps for mana instead of doing the mana thing and also being able to attack on the same turn

him not being able to do it on the turn he enters would also be a much more reasonable card

[lusty trench]

Hell could've even made it so you can only cast one more spell after using the active

So he can still attack

But no going mad with it

[trail anvil]

yeah but all that said there's no way they didn't want to push him on purpose

this doesn't smell like last minute adjustment, it's super clear out the gate

I think they just wanted a strong izzet card here and vivi happened to be there

[copper pecan]

i wouldn't be surprised if they nerf him in alchemy

[sudden lava]

btw we may see Avatar or Spiderman stuff during the panel

[trail anvil]

maybe, is he terrorizing that format?

[copper pecan]

not really because there aren't a ton of payoffs for him there

but he's crazy in brawl

[lusty trench]

The other problem cards in standard are also just too fast for vivi rn

Cause standard doesnt have the fast mana to get him online quick enough

Like by the time you drop vivi your opponents has a talent, astromancers globe and a cori cutter on board

With 1 mana for like

Opt/monsterous/sleight

[trail anvil]

then he'll be relegated to hell queue instead

[lusty trench]

I'm also really confused why they made certain through the ages cards be partner commanders and then didn't give them partners that make sense

Like Cecil is tynma and thrassios is... tidus??

[gritty nest]

I was thinking of building [[kefka court mage]] as a wizard tribal deck. Should I still make discard a core of the deck or nah?

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/231/kefka-court-mage-kefka-ruler-of-ruin

Kefka, Court Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5

Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7

[lusty trench]

Kuja is probably better for wizard tribal

Either of them

[copper pecan]

kuja's art looks so bad

[lusty trench]

Yeah its

Not great

His regular art is amazing

Its his through the ages and showcase that suck

[gritty nest]

Probably, but I don’t plan to do good

My original commander was the [[adeliz, cinder wind]]

[lusty trench]

Fair enough build what you like, fair warning people don't like the word discard on a commander. But if that doesnt deter you that you do you, kefka is an amazing character

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/190/adeliz-the-cinder-wind

Adeliz, the Cinder Wind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Flying, haste
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Wizards you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
The passionate intensity of the Ghitu tempered by the cool insight of Tolarian training.
2/2

[gritty nest]

I already play hardcore theft with [[gonti, canny acquisitor]] and run tergrid in the 99. I couldn’t care less

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/1/gonti-canny-acquisitor

Gonti, Canny Acquisitor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Spells you cast but don't own cost less to cast.
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, look at the top card of that player's library, then exile it face down. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell.
5/5

[lusty trench]

I feel like inalla kuja should've had this art

[trail anvil]

whoa peak twink form achieved

[lusty trench]

You should see his original concept

Like how tf

[sleek ferry]

Vivi is fine, especially in non singleton formats

people calling this the new nadu were trolling

[gritty nest]

It’s dumb but not as dumb

[broken fjord]

Kuja's garb makes sense when you know that he's into theatre

[sleek ferry]

Imo, Nadu at least made cards that almost never saw play relevant, meanwhile, Vivi’s optimal way to build the deck is pretty boring (in commander)

Like who is actually excited to play 20 can trips in their deck

[glad peak]

Me I love cantrips

Yes I play delver in legacy how did you know

[past socket]

Have a little cantrips, as a treat

[glad peak]

yey

[past socket]

Honestly the cantrip rabbit hole gets weird depending on the kinds you want

Like say one’s that target

[lusty trench]

My partner just got amano foil kefka out of a play booster box

[sleek ferry]

Play booster boxes are infinitely the better value

God, I wish we still had set booster boxes

[lusty trench]

They got a vivi too

Crazy

[stark skiff]

collector booster way to go noob

[zinc shard]

Been tinkering with Inalla on Brawl, like the deck just need to add more card draw

[glad peak]

does inalla still have a 1 card combo kill? i think there's enough pieces not legal but you never know

[zinc shard]

You mean the one with [[Wanderwine Prophet]] ?

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https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/95/wanderwine-prophets

Wanderwine Prophets <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Champion a Merfolk (When this enters, sacrifice it unless you exile another Merfolk you control. When this leaves the battlefield, that card returns to the battlefield.)
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice a Merfolk. If you do, take an extra turn after this one.
4/4

[glad peak]

anything

prophets is the most played one but there's probably some other ones i overlooked

[lusty trench]

Bonus card from the charity lair

Christ almighty

Name is "here comes the boogeyman"

[lapis viper]

thats kinda cool

[stark skiff]

oh nice tibalts is always cool

[gritty nest]

Would you guys rather play against [[gonti, canny acquisitor]], or [[kefka, court mage]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/1/gonti-canny-acquisitor

Gonti, Canny Acquisitor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Spells you cast but don't own cost less to cast.
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, look at the top card of that player's library, then exile it face down. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell.
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/231/kefka-court-mage-kefka-ruler-of-ruin

Kefka, Court Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5

Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7

[glad peak]

gonti since kefka's actually pretty good

[gritty nest]

Based

[sudden lava]

Saw this on reddit, TARGET HAS 73 DOLLAR PRECONS?!

[lusty trench]

A lot of the card game stuff is supplied by a different company

Walmart gets a cut but pricing is usually handled by.said different company iirc

[zinc shard]

MSRP is 65 iirc

[sudden lava]

70

[zinc shard]

oof

[sleek ferry]

Spoken like a man that has never been milked by outrageous robbery

Well, that was an unfortunate autocorrect

[glad peak]

Milked

[gritty nest]

Gonti is bad theft it’s whatever

[glad peak]

yeah theft does literally nothing unless you're casting things for free

[gritty nest]

Have any of you played bloodstained: ritual of the night

[storm elbow]

Yeah

[gritty nest]

What legendary could be a reskin of Miriam?

[storm elbow]

Do not know mtg enough to answer this question lol

[gritty nest]

Sad

[storm elbow]

Probably something that can copy opponents instants and sorceries?
Thats like her whole deal

Alternatively if thats a thing, create token copies of things you/she kills

[gritty nest]

I was going to say, yeah she mainly steals abilities of what she kills

The only card that comes to mind though is Shelob

[storm elbow]

To reference cards i do know, you could probably get away with something similar to [[reno and rude]] or [[emet selch of the third seat]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/113/reno-and-rude

Reno and Rude <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
Menace
Whenever Reno and Rude deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of that player's library. Then you may sacrifice another creature or artifact. If you do, you may play the exiled card this turn, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/81/emet-selch-of-the-third-seat

Emet-Selch of the Third Seat <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elder Wizard
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
Whenever one or more opponents lose life, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. Do this only once each turn.
3/4

[rigid scarab]

Lmao

[sudden lava]

200?!

[gritty nest]

LGS? And did they buy it from a distributor or from a trade in

Doesn’t matter either way tbh

[zinc shard]

did they get it confused for the collecter edition?

[stark skiff]

glad all the decks tanked to reasonable prices

[vivid hatch]

Un guys

I got something unfashionably rare

Russian kamigawa run was cut very very short cuz of the war

The print run on this is, at most, 4

And this is the only known one in existence-rest are either unopened or in collectors binders

[waxen timber]

Wow, that is really cool. How did you manage to get it?

[vivid hatch]

A huge pile of money

And knowing a guy who knows a guy

[vivid hatch]

200.000 rubles ( ~$2550 )

[trail anvil]

jesus christ lol

I hope they didn't think I was being toxic, shame this didn't happen when vivi was 6/9 too

[lusty trench]

They're playing baral and vivi youre good lol

[past socket]

Baral…Truly fed behaviour

And I say this as the pod Blue Mage

[trail anvil]

fair enough tbh

trying to build squall to be resistant to control so I didn't even realize lol

[lapis viper]

Hej yall

Had some goodies

Opened a few packs yesterday

[trail anvil]

ooh rhystic is a super solid pick up especially

[lusty trench]

Baral and kari zev are fun commander

[lapis viper]

Yeah they looked super fun

[lapis viper]

I figure I may as well hold on to it, but I plan to stick to bracket 3 and under for my decks

I found a tithe in my storage the other day too

[trail anvil]

well bracket 3 lets you play up to 3 game changers and that's a solid one to include in any blue deck tbh

[lapis viper]

Ah right

It's like a $50 staple I think lol

[past socket]

Mmm card draw

[lusty trench]

Realistically it should just be "your opponents spells cost 1 more" with the occasional ability to ignore that if youre in a position where you need to close game and cant afford to or need the tempo swing. But people refuse to pay the 1

There are actual people who proudly announce they never pay the one

[trail anvil]

yeah I've definitely been in pods where they love feeding the rhystic lol

[past socket]

Nice to see responsible tax payers but yeah I will happily take the card draw if they aren’t

[lusty trench]

I've seen players that run no interaction refuse to pay the 1 even if they have the mana spare

Like mf you are not casting your cultivator colossus on your opponents turn pay that fucking 1

[past socket]

But how dare you be responsible when it’s my Rhystic

Just plain rude smh

[past socket]

Though I’ve been trying to curb my blue problem and have an idea for a deck around activated abilities

No idea if I wanna make [[Redshift]] or [[Agatha of the Vile Cauldron]] the Commander

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/218/redshift-rocketeer-chief

Redshift, Rocketeer Chief <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Pilot
Vigilance
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Redshift's power. Spend this mana only to activate abilities.
Exhaust — : Put any number of permanent cards from your hand onto the battlefield. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/199/agatha-of-the-vile-cauldron

Agatha of the Vile Cauldron <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate, where X is Agatha's power. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
: Other creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample and haste until end of turn.
1/1

[gritty nest]

@storm elbow I found the commander for the bloodstained deck

[[!Mairsil, the Pretender]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/41/mairsil-the-pretender

Mairsil, the Pretender

[storm elbow]

Oh yeah that does work

Can they rename the counters for secret lairs?

[gritty nest]

I don’t think so, for mechanical reasons

[storm elbow]

Figures

[gritty nest]

At most [[!Daryl, Hunter of Walkers]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/144/hansk-slayer-zealot

Hansk, Slayer Zealot

[gritty nest]

His in universe print says three walker tokens (they’re 2/2 black zombies)

[[!Hansk, Slayer Zealot]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/22/hansk-slayer-zealot

Hansk, Slayer Zealot

[vivid hatch]

Guys what’s the rarest card yall own

Like, lowest print run

[gritty nest]

A yugioh card signed by the voice actor for Pegasus

[vivid hatch]

Naw naw doesn’t count has to be like a specific version of a specific card - from the print station

[gritty nest]

Are you going to mention the Russian Wanderer again?

[vivid hatch]

Nope

It’s technically not even my lowest run one

I have a 1/2

[gritty nest]

1 of 1 ring

[vivid hatch]

Russian nonfoil capenna elspeth

Only 4 boxes of Russian capenna even survived

All were opened, in total 2 elspeths

[gritty nest]

You want to know my reaction to this information

[vivid hatch]

cmon unobtanium is cool

It takes knowing a lot of people to find this stuff

[gritty nest]

It’s neat but it’s whatever

[vivid hatch]

You can’t just buy it that’s the cool part

it’s never for sale anywhere unless you know a guy

[gritty nest]

You could, you just need the connections

And also

[vivid hatch]

yeah yeah on another note

I want to build Neoform

It’s been showing consents mid results

which is an order of magnitude better

[gritty nest]

I’m thinking of doing voltron for Mairsil, that’s probably the best thing I can think of for the theme

[vivid hatch]

Than what it has been showing for years

[gritty nest]

@storm elbow is it cool to ping you about the bloodstained stuff now and then?

[storm elbow]

Id prefer not, ill likely check the relevant channels regardless

[gritty nest]

Okay, sorry for the current pings

[storm elbow]

Dwai

[golden plover]

"Healthy standard" tho

45% of decks are on rage btw

[lusty trench]

I still don't know why they released planesphere when they did

Like izzet prowess is doing fine why are you giving it a tall option

[golden plover]

Reminder that prowess literally only loses monastery Swiftspear in rotation too

So unless something gets hit, we're def going into tier 0 bby

Every single domain list is maining 3-4 high noon btw

Also calling it now: 4-5 prowess, 1-2 Mono-Red in top 8. Something not prowess wins it and people continue saying prowess is totally fine for another pro tour

[twilit canyon]

prowess is bad actually

nah fr vivi gives the deck so much reach

not unbeatable but extremely annoying

black aggro/midrange have mostly solved the red aggro problem bc cecil ftks the red decks by himself but prowess can beat cecil easy thanks to vivi just burning you out

[lusty trench]

I really love how they made cecil

Absolute banger

[golden plover]

So the top 3 cards in standard according to the article are Stock Up at #1, Rage at #2 and CSC at #3

Wacky

Stock Up realistically should probably eat a ban in the near future too

[twilit canyon]

you get rid of stock up and izzet dies i think

theres a lot of counter play to the deck when it cant just restock immediately and keep going

especially with swift rotating

thats lack of power + lack of grind

what does the deck even do

[golden plover]

I think the ideal ban in June might be rage + stock up then?

Kills Izzet and hits mono-red and Omni too

[twilit canyon]

no need to kill rage idt

[golden plover]

Might need to hit domain with beanstalk too

[twilit canyon]

though i wouldnt mind

[golden plover]

Nah, rage needs to go

Red shouldn't be able to invalidate blocking as a whole for 1 mana

[twilit canyon]

rage is one of the best combat tricks ever but its still one of the most garbage cards that has ever seen play

[golden plover]

Especially considering rage sticks around for 2 more years from here

Rage is insane in standard where the removal isn't as good

[twilit canyon]

card's bad blocking isnt bad just because of rage

[golden plover]

And the best answer to early rate is leaving in rotation

[twilit canyon]

blocking is bad because the good attackers all have stupid good keywords

or evasion

[golden plover]

I mean, yeah the problem is red getting all these super pushed 1-2 drops with prowess and/or evasion or whatever rn

[twilit canyon]

like yeah im totally blocking a 2/4 that already drew a card and/or made a 1/1 lifelinker to block and it has deathtouch

[golden plover]

But rage is enabling that

[twilit canyon]

in red: yeah im totally blocking a 2/2 double striker with a death trigger

blocking doesnt come back even if u remove rage

the rabbit hole is way too far gone

[golden plover]

Nah, the mouse won't get trample

Or they'd be running worse cards for it

[twilit canyon]

it doesnt need rage to get trample

[golden plover]

There's a big difference between a 2/2 double strike and a 6/3 double strike on t3

Rage consistently gives shit trample on top of prowess or death trigger or whatever

[twilit canyon]

yeah dying by 10 points vs dying by 15

its really not that big a difference

[golden plover]

I think rage definitely needs to eat a ban before it rotates, especially considering green as a whole is unplayable rn

[twilit canyon]

like yes it is annoying but its still a garbage card

combat tricks will never be good

rage is still not good

even if its strong and annoying

and removing it wont save blocking

[golden plover]

Rage enables a lot of the issues rn

But also, prowess as a whole is getting too undervalued as a keyword

That's not an immediate issue

But 1/1 prowess with upside for 1 is kinda silly

Prowess is being costed like vigilance, when it really needs to be costed like first strike

[twilit canyon]

too good an effect to not include

too good an effect to include so hastily pun intended

[golden plover]

It's weird they've figured out the cost for most of the other ones by now

Vigilance is typically no additional mana

But first strike and deathtouch usually add 1 to the cost

Prowess should be in that "add 1 to the cost" camp

[twilit canyon]

thats because if you make it to expensive, the card sees play nowhere

too cheap and you make swiftspear 2

[copper pecan]

i really don't think they should be making 1 drops with prowess

prowess is a really strong effect

[sleek ferry]

Nothing pisses me off more than dooming the format off deck rep and no results

[golden plover]

I mean it's been 4 fucking PTs of this

We're hitting Eldrazi Winter levels of deck rep

[sleek ferry]

We literally saw mono red mice put up similar numbers and then lose to overlords last standard PT. We saw during the RCQ izzet be the most repped deck by far only to lose to mono red, how’s about we stop dooming the format off no results and see how the actual games play out?

What the fuck are we dooming

[golden plover]

Sure izzet hasn't won one yet but it's been 4 major events in a row of Prowess being the most represented deck by 20+%

45% of the field being the same deck for 3+ major events is not an indicator of a healthy format

[twilit canyon]

i honestly dont really care too much. format is fun anyways.

i see a prowess player and i beat them every time anyways

even if the deck is popular/annoying

but ppl just like to complain ad nauseam

[twilit canyon]

u rite overall

but as an unbiased (totally biased) red player, they should make another prowess haste 1 drop

[storm elbow]

They should give it the ability to sack itself to deal damage to equal to its attack to a target too methinks

[twilit canyon]

thats not good eough

it should get double strike at 4 power

lore accurate ferocious

[storm elbow]

And also make it an adventure with the other side being a 1 red mana instant that deals 3 damage

[twilit canyon]

only to opponents though to make sure its balanced

[storm elbow]

True true

[twilit canyon]

hm probs not strong enough

better make it an mdfc too

bolt mountain that can tap for blue if you control a basic land type island or mountain

[storm elbow]

I read "bolt mountain" and my first thought was a land that taps for a red and alternatively can deal 3 damage to any target for 1 red and tapping

[twilit canyon]

now that would be just crazy

[storm elbow]

New type of shockland judt dropped, enters tapped unleds you deal 2 damage to target creature an opponet controls

[twilit canyon]

unplayable vs some decks unfort

[sleek ferry]

Format also feels far from a tier 0 format too. I think the safety of bringing izzet for a long tourney, is the reason you see a lot of pros default to it, but there’s many a viable decks in the format

[twilit canyon]

consistency is key yeah

part of the reason its popular

also popular among the crowd of ppl who feel they are smarter than others for the deck choice

[tardy echo]

Izzet is aggro for people who have a superiority complex

(They call it a tempo deck)

[twilit canyon]

thats right

[copper pecan]

izzet is aggro for people who like vivi from final fantasy 9

many such people

[glad peak]

[[opera love song]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/147/opera-love-song

Opera Love Song <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose one —
• Exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards until your next end step.
• One or two target creatures each get +2/+0 until end of turn.
"O my hero, my beloved, shall we still be made to part?"

[tardy echo]

This card is so cute

[sudden lava]

3 mana tutor sol ring

[trail anvil]

the main thing I'd look to pair this with in standard is incidental token generation, is there anything notable besides spyglass siren

I feel like the simulacrum deck wouldn't want this

[rigid scarab]

We did it, guys. We broke Time Vault.

[atomic harness]

Finally, magic is good again @stark skiff

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/13942133/have_you_heard

i did a thing

[stark skiff]

Final Fantasy saved magic

[atomic harness]

Yshtola best girl kid

[urban crane]

Ugh I want to kinda grab the counter blitz deck but than I look at al the upgrades I want for my other deck and my wallet starts crying

And I know counter blitz wil be for upgrades wise probably also not be cheap

[gritty nest]

is [[Psychic Frog]] one of the best cards ever made

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

[copper pecan]

it's pretty psychic pog

[gritty nest]

but is it really one of the best things ever made

[copper pecan]

it's a very good card. idk about best ever but it's definitely up there

probably one of the best creatures at least

[stark skiff]

Wow kid I thought you’d be proud of me for getting this

@sleek ferry

[atomic harness]

Terra is cool too

[trail anvil]

I didn't realize how good she was until I saw her in action. being both pieces of your strategy gives a nice amount of reliability

[gritty nest]

have any of you played the cloud precon? if so, how is it?

[stark skiff]

havent used him but he seems meh

tifa looks to be more interesting as a commander

[gritty nest]

And busted

Okay that emote is fire

[urban crane]

I mean it’s nothing wrong with him it’s naya equipment

It’s a bit standard

[past socket]

Naya doing Naya things

[stark skiff]

honestly Gilgamesh looks much more interesting as an equip deck than cloud and its mono red

[lusty trench]

Clouds main issue is just costing too much for what he does, 5 mana is a big ask especially for equipment decks

[lusty trench]

Am I right in saying that kefka draws a card for each card type a card discarded with him has ie an artifact land if both unique card types among cards discarded would net 2 cards

[trail anvil]

yep

[lusty trench]

Dayum

[glad peak]

Correct, but commander players would never know

[past socket]

Is that jab all that necessary

[sleek ferry]

Terra the goat…

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1936091719046463819

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

And, lastly, don't forget that the Mana Stage has the #MCVegas Preview Panel at 1pm Pacific! You won't want to miss the sneak peek at what is coming next for Magic!

🌌 It's going to be out of this world! 💫😉

X · Jun 20, 2025, 4:00 PM

if you need a time translation, it's currently 10:27 AM pacific

so 2 hour and 33 minutes

[golden plover]

Weird that Tez is colorless now

Feels like this was a Karn they swapped last minute

[copper pecan]

nah, karn hasn't been a planeswalker since mom

[subtle sierra]

so he gets his spark back at dad?

[twilit canyon]

thats what that good old hit of darksteel does to a person

[subtle sierra]

i had to

is that tez standard legal?

[twilit canyon]

yep

will be

from ege of eternity

[subtle sierra]

holy moly

time for artifact roots

[fallow citrus]

that tez has me knee deep in artifacts

also the fact it can grab artifact lands is crazy

[subtle sierra]

i like that part

as a person that hates lands that's a god sent

ngl one of the reasons i love roots is cause they run 20

[golden plover]

I like the idea of that tez, but I dunno if he does it in standard

He's obviously good in like modern tho where he fetches saga

His ult is just so lackluster

[fallow citrus]

nobody gaf about his ult

you just pay 1 loyalty grab an arti play it and get the loyalty back

in modern you grab a bauble and it's sick

[copper pecan]

tbf it seems like a pretty easy ult to hit

[golden plover]

Yeah I mean that's all I see him doing

That's probably enough for him to matter in modern, obviously

But like in standard, what does he fetch?

He's too slow for cori

[fallow citrus]

me when my chungus kappa cannoneer obliterates someone because of tezzer

[golden plover]

Oh he can't even fetch anything relevant in standard

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Aartifact+(game%3Apaper)+cmc<%3D1+legal%3Astandard

Here's the full list, and note a decent bit of this rotates before him

I guess he can find ghost vacuum?

[glad peak]

He doesn’t get saga iirc unless I’m remembering the type wrong [[urza’s saga]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga

Urza's Saga

Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — This Saga gains ": Add ."
II — This Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[golden plover]

Oh right

[glad peak]

He does get ballista though

[golden plover]

He just does a saga impression

Yeah true, he does get ballista, which saga can't

He's probably got some applications in modern

But I don't see him doing a ton anywhere else

Maybe some fringe cedh play?

He combos with displacer kitten to grab all your 0-1 mana artifacts

I probably run 1 in Elsha

But I don't think he's universally applicable

[glad peak]

You definitely play him in heliod

[golden plover]

Elsha, Heliod, anything with an LED line

[glad peak]

He’s probably played 100% of the time in no banlist cedh

[golden plover]

I think he's got some cedh homes

But not like every deck

I'm sure he's broken in vintage with time vault or something

[glad peak]

He would be somewhat playable in any form of turbo because of LED lines and vexing bauble

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm thinking if you play LED lines, you run him as an extra copy

Elsha likes him as he's LED, Top, and combos with displacer kitten to probably go infinite there

But everything ever goes infinite with displacer kitten

[glad peak]

He has pretty good applications, better than most cards could say

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't think he's awful

I just think he's unplayable in standard

Unless they print like sol ring or something in EOE lol

[glad peak]

Don’t grab sol ring with him, that’s trash lmao

[golden plover]

That's what 99% of casual commander players will do with him lol

But I am thinking he gets top and LED for Elsha

[glad peak]

You already know what I’m going to say so I won’t

[golden plover]

Nah I agree

[glad peak]

But yeah you 100% get a combo piece

[golden plover]

But most people who pull him or buy him will just use him to fetch sol ring in their commander deck

[glad peak]

Might be one of the few cards that will show a person’s skill level nearly 100% of the time

Or if you already know that, you’ll know some of their hand

[golden plover]

I mean if you see Elsha fetch LED or Top off him with open mana, they're probably about to win

[glad peak]

True but if you see them grabbing sol ring you can safely ignore them

Since if they have a potential win they’ll 100% be grabbing bauble

[golden plover]

Seeing him hit the table is either gonna be the scariest turn or the least impactful depending on what he tutors

[golden plover]

Oh true, that'll tell you a lot if they go for bauble in place of a combo piece

[glad peak]

Wait you don’t run bauble in Elsha I forgot lol

[golden plover]

Yeah unfortunately Elsha can't play vexing bauble

It's one of our weaker interaction points in that we can consistently tutor for almost everything in the deck whenever to get to the combo

But protecting the combo is harder

We can run Boromir for the effect, but I don't super love him in the list

[glad peak]

What’s the wording on [[boromir]] again

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “boromir”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

Ok yeah that works

[lusty trench]

Drafted so hard i think I'll never recreate this

I'm in mono green with a splash of red

[glad peak]

You already run silence and ranger captain so I think it’s fine

[lusty trench]

Green was so ludicrously open

I mean I got two rydia two gladius

Everyone is on black

They are going to get chocobo kicked into next year

[golden plover]

Yup, and can run Lavina if you REALLY need more copies of the effect

But between Silence, Grand Abolisher, War Tef, and counterspell suite I think it's fine

[past socket]

Tezzeret

Betrayer of Flesh was my first Planeswalker I played and honestly would love to collect all the Tez as a homage for that. Have a page in a binder of the different Tezzeret’s

Or somehow make Tezzeret Superjerks

[lusty trench]

Won both games played so far

Flipping sidequest chocobo is nuts

[glad peak]

chocobos are nuts in limited, dont blame you

green in general seems really strong in fin draft

[lusty trench]

Issue is im in the finals vs someone who has vial smasher and black waltz

So im gonna have to hold removal if I get it

[sudden lava]

Yes

[copper pecan]

yo they put glup shitto in magic

[lusty trench]

Won the draft overall

[copper pecan]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1936155625928495237

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

Mike Turian introduces the #MTGEternities Bonus Sheet, which is about bringing lands from Magic's history and giving them a space treatment. Starting off by showing off a new printing of Mutavault!

X · Jun 20, 2025, 8:14 PM

don't like this font but i like the frame

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt6bz4tXIAAVhni?format=jpg&name=large

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1385715440634040470/Gt6cNaEXoAAzAYR.jpg?ex=68571392&is=6855c212&hm=53727601faa31f78237ef18184ad76166b8f1b63a4cae772378d6e09f521f48c&=&format=webp&width=1308&height=736

SHOCKLANDS

[glad peak]

is it just me or does that new border look like lorcana

[copper pecan]

it's not just you, i got lorcana vibes from it too

[glad peak]

it looks pretty good though

shocklands are always nice too

[copper pecan]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1936157241142391111

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

Lands matter is a theme of #MTGEternities, not only in art, but in mechanics. Jadine shares Harmonious Grovestrider, discussing how the set themes get tied to the mechanics in the set.

X · Jun 20, 2025, 8:20 PM

when the grovestrider is harmonious

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1936157806652002768

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

We hired Seth Dickinson to write the #MTGEternities story! Seth works on other games & is a published Sci-Fi author.

Roy shares that the first episode of the story goes live shortly after this panel completes! And the story is massive: 11 main episodes & 5 side episodes.

X · Jun 20, 2025, 8:22 PM

oh we got a big story this time

[stark skiff]

not a fan of them so far

[lusty trench]

Got hit with a resounding "fuck off" when I told people shocks were in standard lmao

[glad peak]

love shocklands in standard

usually leads to a decent standard at least so far

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt6et6TWQAAkqnu?format=jpg&name=large

spaceships!

[copper pecan]

kinda surprised spaceships aren't vehicles

[glad peak]

ok that's cool but that typeline means that either we're going to get a lot more spacecraft soon or we're never seeing this design anymore

[trail anvil]

holy shit shocklands back in standard

[sudden lava]

LEGENDARY VEHICLES AND LEGENDARY SPACECRAFT CAN NOW BE COMMANDERS

[trail anvil]

it is, just in a more convoluted way

[lapis viper]

Weird

[glad peak]

wait huh? so shorikai has extra text for no reason now?

[trail anvil]

becoming a creature permanently is an interesting tradeoff and you can only do it at sorcery speed

[trail anvil]

reprint incoming 😎

[copper pecan]

yeah but legally they aren't so they can't use vehicle support

[trail anvil]

good ol auto include in omnath brawl

[glad peak]

wait i think this actually has applications

[last glen]

Okay
But is there dinosaur or angel support

[glad peak]

no blue makes this a bit harder to work but extra card draw each turn (assuming you have some sort of bounceland) is actually pretty decent

[last glen]

Actually hold on
This may be relevant for my Naya Dinosaurs and Angels commander deck

[lusty trench]

Dear lord

[glad peak]

oh it only gets one thing

meh

[fallow citrus]

ok why are we making no text variants for brand new cards

I get iconic ones but not new ones

[stark skiff]

Its the future of Magic. Soon no text just lok up what they all do in the future.

[trail anvil]

are we not just gonna talk about how a grave pact that exiles is super fucked

[glad peak]

i sort of understand no text headliner cards

[trail anvil]

with 1 less black pip too

[copper pecan]

we saw art of an angel

[glad peak]

tbh grave pact sort of deserves to get powercrept with how much everything else is increased in power

[trail anvil]

wait nvm it kills itself if only one opponent has no creatures 😭 this is actually fixed for multiplayer at least lmao

spitting out a creature you killed is hilarious though

[tardy echo]

This card is so cool…

[[grave pact]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/165/grave-pact

Grave Pact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control dies, each other player sacrifices a creature of their choice.
Denied the peace of the Blessed Sleep, geists lash out at the living, and the cycle of anger and unrest continues unbroken.

[tardy echo]

This is better than void in a lot of scenarios I feel

[copper pecan]

yeah i agree

[tardy echo]

Like having the extra effect to kill itself seems more like intentional balancing that adds a lot of counterplay

[trail anvil]

yeah in 1v1 this is worse grave pact if your goal is to keep the board clear, but better if you wanna steal

[tardy echo]

It’s easier/possible to play around without just drawing removal

[trail anvil]

oh shit space windgrace?

[tardy echo]

But higher possible reward

[fallow citrus]

windspace

[tardy echo]

These are so fucking hot

[trail anvil]

I'm guessing this is gonna have a lot of untap/convoke synergies in it?

[tardy echo]

Esp the black

[fallow citrus]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[trail anvil]

jesus that island goes hardest

[copper pecan]

what did they mean by this

[golden plover]

WHAT THE FUCK WE'RE PUTTING SHOCKS IN STANDARD???

[fallow citrus]

I like that mountain most honestly

[golden plover]

Are they on crack

[trail anvil]

goes perfectly with verges

[tardy echo]

The shocks are all pretty too

[golden plover]

This looks like a bad custom card holy shit

[tardy echo]

What does firebending do

What does any bending do

[copper pecan]

we don't know

[tardy echo]

Word

[fallow citrus]

idk but he has 2 of it

also surely he should airbend right

[golden plover]

That looks so bad lmao

[tardy echo]

I get to do it two whole times

[fallow citrus]

idfk I haven't watched avatar

[golden plover]

Also the set symbol looks awful lol

[trail anvil]

he firebends in the final fight but like

yeah airbending is more iconic for him

[fallow citrus]

as someone who has only seen like little bits from avatar

thats the first thing I think of when it comes to him

[golden plover]

This frame looks silly too

[fallow citrus]

the frame is fine

[sudden lava]

STRIXHAVEN CONFIRMED

[fallow citrus]

the font sucks

[golden plover]

We're 0-2 for good frames this reveal lol

I don't like the name being at the bottom tbh

[stark skiff]

fire is the last thing he mastered to really become the Avatar so its probably referencing that

[trail anvil]

tbh I like both the frame and the font

[golden plover]

Makes everything look too crushed

[fallow citrus]

oh sure

[tardy echo]

The specific scene the art references

[fallow citrus]

I have seen worse fonts in the game

[golden plover]

@copper pecan aang's text is worded like a Bottom 5 custom card actually lol

[fallow citrus]

like the amonkhet ones

[golden plover]

I know that joke is made a lot

But like it's the "when you do (one unexplained mechanic), do (another unexplained mechanic)"

[stark skiff]

There will probably be another Aang who only airbends in the set

[fallow citrus]

when you bingle you bongle

[copper pecan]

yeah idk why they even decided to preview this when it isn't at all clear what any of this card's effects do

[trail anvil]

that's for the commander deck 😎

[copper pecan]

this is like a steamflogger boss tier preview

[trail anvil]

at least so far the art seems to go hard as hell, it doesn't seem flanderized like OTJ

[golden plover]

When you scronlge your dingle, you can also scrangle your dongle

[copper pecan]

they're gonna have aang assemble a contraption

[trail anvil]

I say, before we see loot in an astronaut suit

[copper pecan]

[[abbot of the sacred meeple]] was a preview for this. aang will advance on the monk track

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/507/abbot-of-the-sacred-meeple

Abbot of the Sacred Meeple <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Monk
Sinecure (This creature can occupy a space two spaces higher on the Monk Track than its power.)
Once on each of your odd-numbered (beige) production phases, you may spend two additional sheep when constructing a building. If you do, you may activate the lesser production ability of any building of prestige 5 or lower you control. Exceptions: Apiary, Cobbler (but not Shoemaker), Wainwright.
2/2

[copper pecan]

this set is unconnected to the loot plot

[tardy echo]

(But not shoemaker]

[fallow citrus]

I don't know why but the wainwright part got me

[trail anvil]

thank fuck honestly

[fallow citrus]

would be too broken

[trail anvil]

side note but gavin's innistrad werewolf tshirt goes hard as hell and I want one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75DcnrdoTc

[trail anvil]

that sleeve is one of my favorites already

[twilit canyon]

more space basics im gonna fucking nut

[glad peak]

wait what commander rules were changed?

[trail anvil]

legendary vehicles can be commanders now iirc

[glad peak]

anything else?

[lusty trench]

I feel like fire bend is deal a damage to target creature, earth bend will be +1+1, water bend is like... scrying and air bending is... idk

[sudden lava]

legendary vehicles and legendary spacecraft can be commanders

[past socket]

YOOOOOOO

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt6et6TWQAAkqnu?format=jpg&name=large

example of one of those spacecrafts

[trail anvil]

specifically apparently it's any legendary permanent with a power and toughness on its front side to future proof it

[glad peak]

there's some funny cards

[lusty trench]

World's most dogshit artifact payoff

[glad peak]

like playing as [[the regalia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/267/the-regalia

The Regalia <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Haste
Whenever The Regalia attacks, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Crew 1
4/4

[past socket]

WE GETTING WASTES WITH THIS ONE

[stark skiff]

oh this is the secondary commander. forgot about the decks

[lusty trench]

Ya boi

[sudden lava]

No it's the face commander?

[past socket]

Face Commanders yeah

Szarel do be on the box

[stark skiff]

im dumb meant face lol

[past socket]

Kilo sounds like fun

Also I gotta make Tezzeret Superjerks at some point

[last glen]

wait what's the commander rule change

[past socket]

This

[last glen]

Oh
that

[trail anvil]

heart of kiran leads worst superfriends commander ever, asked to leave pod

[lusty trench]

Super friends the old fucks squad, featuring: ugin, karn, and new old fuck tezzy

[trail anvil]

I feel like esika's chariot and the belligerent could actually make decent commanders

[past socket]

Have a friend who wanted to make a Saheeli Superfriends deck and preordered the Kilo precon

Bet they’re gonna be super hyped about this

[lusty trench]

https://vxtwitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1936162519178989741?t=uGbQ3gdzuNhr1jba0FpaPA&s=19

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

😎

#MTGEternities https://t.co/PA19g9bWDL

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 20, 2025, 8:41 PM

[sudden lava]

Spacecraft is Kona support

Tap Kona to charge a spacecraft, put something big out, use that big thing to charge the spacecraft

[trail anvil]

yes the pseudo vehicle works with survival

[glad peak]

Kona support? I sleep

Magda support? Real shit?

[stark skiff]

Just wondering is Denry Klin an entering trigger that would be prevented from something like Torpor Orb?

[copper pecan]

first effect no, second effect yes

[broken fjord]

Do note that Denry gets 2 of any counter when he enters, since he sees himself enter.

[stark skiff]

wait i did not know this lmao

wtf thats crazy

[tired agate]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208

The guys asking to let Planeswalker be commanders for a decade watching Wotc let you make a random car into a commander.

[glad peak]

Deserved

[lusty trench]

You don't understand, I need to drive my dad's 2004 Honda into battle

[glad peak]

That’s the plot of final fantasy xv

[lusty trench]

Here you go my son, my most prized possession, my 95 toyota camry

This shit has 1.4 million miles on it

And i don't know what a suspension is

[sleek ferry]

Holy… man overcame the losing position @tardy echo

[tardy echo]

🐐

[sleek ferry]

(If it wasn’t clear, golgari won)

[stark skiff]

What is this? Doesn’t look like commander

Anyways these are my foil pickups so far for FF

And got these too just cause

[golden plover]

Still kinda stunned they're putting the shocks into standard

This feels like an exceptionally not good time for them to be legal

[last glen]

hey
it has to be a cool car

[sleek ferry]

Bundle pulls, guess I got my money back lol

https://x.com/veveil/status/1936251668909396002?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Bryan Hohns (@Veveil)

Finished 5-3 Naya Yunie is a Day 2 deck #PTFINALFANTASY

X · Jun 21, 2025, 2:35 AM

[twilit canyon]

esper origins should be a 4 of

that card is a mini uro

[lusty trench]

Is that overlord of boilbridges propaganda? I fully support this deck without seeing the list because I have one and will slam sell it for £5 as opposed to the 75p it is rn

[sleek ferry]

Bro, I told you the card was crazy

[twilit canyon]

playing it def changed my view on it

[sleek ferry]

Also not sure if golgari gy is on it, but if they’re not, they should be

[lusty trench]

Mill on the front daddy on the back whats not to love

[sleek ferry]

It’s mainly that it’s hard to evaluate sorceries fairly without playtesting probably

Especially with how much nut shit we got in the meta rn

[lusty trench]

The meta is perfectly fine : ) wizards said so months ago

[sleek ferry]

I mean, I do think the meta is mostly fine

If they were to hit something, monstrous rage is probably the hit to make

[lusty trench]

Make it so only final fantasy cards are in standard without vivi and sephiroth im trying to push agendas

My glorious king

[lapis viper]

This guy is cool

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1386041663415259347/IMG_5616.webp?ex=68584363&is=6856f1e3&hm=dc50e7abe2ee0b513c540f049702638d17db93fc3890f6486949bb2c543bec8f&=&format=webp&width=1423&height=800

why does this pic of tezzeret look like joe biden

he's literally doing the biden blast

[fallow citrus]

[sleek ferry]

Jody Keith (the guy on golgari gy) has a chance to go to 10-1

[sleek ferry]

I jinxed him, he threw his 1-0 lead in round 10 and then lost in round 11

[trail anvil]

noooo

my golgoat

[sleek ferry]

This deck is fire though, idt he was playing Esper origins, but he should be

[lusty trench]

Man tataru taru doing numbers

If nobody got me i know tataru taru got me can I get a tapped treasure

[golden plover]

Every single deck in top 8 is either prowess or mono-red HOLY SHIT

These were also the two most hated decks going into it. Surely we get an e-ban, yeah?

[trail anvil]

ye this card's nuts as hell

I need it for bumble

[gritty nest]

I finally got my first copy of cyclonic rift

[stark skiff]

Got these FF cards and got the secret lairs in

[atomic harness]

I played against it and it felt pretty strong

[subtle sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/s/tVqGMHsKfR

This real?

[subtle sierra]

Fuck

[lusty trench]

If they made a 33 secret lair I'd buy it in an instant

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/FGDXnfJgr_8?si=iTOy5cDf0v2o4XrW

[gritty nest]

Bottom left says Custom Card

[trail anvil]

@gritty nest

[subtle sierra]

If i had a cent for when i get pinged again 6 hours later with an answer i already had less than a screen away from the question, I'd have 2 cent

Which isn't much, but holy do ppl need to read

[sleek ferry]

@solarbeam it’s a custom card

[gritty nest]

I’m dumb

[gritty nest]

did you know about

[subtle sierra]

Dw it's just a slight annoyance

[atomic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxRpWOvSqKQ

[sleek ferry]

Might start grinding the ladder hard with this deck, Jody was kinda right, this deck shits on aggro

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon Ian Robb is really about to make PT finals

[twilit canyon]

[sleek ferry]

Imagine being elite at 2 different tcg’s

Couldn’t be me

[sleek ferry]

@subtle sierra

2 more bubble lists

Orzhov @tardy echo

Jeskai controls

[twilit canyon]

elenda is a crazy add when we still have shelly

[sleek ferry]

Ig they value the fact that most decks aren’t removing it outside combat, idk

I’ve noticed, pre-side, izzet can’t really fuck with mono red @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

this is known

[sleek ferry]

So in bo5’s mono red kinda clears no?

[twilit canyon]

statistically yes

[sleek ferry]

Clean 3-0 for mono red

[twilit canyon]

not just a deck name

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/Ashlizzlle_/status/1936657256155844981?t=EHpYtiv5nciJfvigs4kydA&s=19

The Ash Lizard (@Ashlizzlle_)

theres nothing to say honestly

X · Jun 22, 2025, 5:27 AM

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

red is the best

[lusty trench]

I dub this format of mice and monsters

[twilit canyon]

the mice suck

nemesis is my goat

[lusty trench]

Screaming nemesis really do be that guy

Turns out not giving a shit if youre blocked is really good

[twilit canyon]

and some respect too to my goat taylor swiftspear

[tardy echo]

I find half this list incredibly based and half this list incredibly

I hate elenda so bad

[stark skiff]

Finally picked up our boy in foil @atomic harness @sleek ferry

[gritty nest]

pog

[gritty nest]

is [[overkill]] a decent removal spell?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/109/overkill

Overkill <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Target creature gets -0/-9999 until end of turn.
"Hey why don't ya try out that sword I gave you!" —Wakka

[past socket]

Got a Jund themed night for a Commander sesh

Idk if I wanna bring [[Ognis]] or [[Yurlok]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/210/ognis-the-dragons-lash

Ognis, the Dragon's Lash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabr:292901508939382784><:manar:292901508796645397><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Warrior
Haste
Whenever a creature you control with haste attacks, create a tapped Treasure token.
Ziatora's second-in-command has a habit of appearing when and where her enemies least expect her.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/293/yurlok-of-scorch-thrash

Yurlok of Scorch Thrash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Shaman
Vigilance
A player losing unspent mana causes that player to lose that much life.
, : Each player adds .
The gifts of Jund never come without a price.
4/4

[trail anvil]

no unless you have some specific synergy in mind

[gritty nest]

it does get around indestructible iirc

but at most, jaws of defeat meme and/or triggering Y'shtola

[fast tide]

Man I didn't realise there was an FF Secret Lair set, fuck

30+AUD

How good can you make the terra precon with only the FF stuff?

[sleek ferry]

You would probably just max out on all the summon stuff

It is 5 colors so all the enchantments from the set are free game

[subtle sierra]

Danke

Hmm i don't really see the wincon vs control in that list but ig just spawning a bunch of roots for next turn otk is fine

I really like seed of life over cache grab

Lets you do a t1 molt tender into t2 seed to mill anything and still have 2 mana for roots

[trail anvil]

wrong terra

precon terra is mardu, you're thinking of main set terra

[fast tide]

Oh, yeah sorry

WAIT IS MAIN SET TERRA ALL COLOURS

Oh FUCK I forgot about the esper side\

Oh yeah

I had a 1v1v1 the other night with the default precon

Fun deck already removed and replaced a bunch of shit that felt jank

Game ended with me on 2 life and all I had was Shadow and a 34/34 Siegfried

But my last opponent had a 20/20 and a 21/21 both with protection against RB

Super fun though my first commander game and my first mtg game in like.. almost 20 years

[atomic harness]

Proud of you kid holy

@trail anvil @stark skiff is Silas Renren cedh only or can he be played like as a casual guy

[[Silas renn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/43/silas-renn-seeker-adept

Silas Renn, Seeker Adept <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Human
Deathtouch
Whenever Silas Renn deals combat damage to a player, choose target artifact card in your graveyard. You may cast that card this turn.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2

[trail anvil]

I mean I can easily see ways to build this casual tbh

[atomic harness]

Naruhodo

[atomic harness]

Terra is cute too

[glad peak]

Pretty bad, you lose all of the things that work well with her

[atomic harness]

Thank you mudkip

[fast tide]

Fack

And I'd need to fundamentally change the deck if I use the mainset Terra, right

Since I can use pretty much every colour in that one

[glad peak]

Yep

Works decent with saga creatures but there’s just not enough utility there

[fast tide]

Fuuuck

Might just stick with the precon commander then and make the best of it

[atomic harness]

What's a good direction to take the wise Mothman Precon in?

Mesmeric orb and just go in right?

[trail anvil]

on the bright side the main set terra probably works best with the other final fantasy creature sagas

[trail anvil]

sure tbh

[urban crane]

yeah of al the orbs mesmeric is definetly the least annoying

[atomic harness]

Thank you my son

[sleek ferry]

Going by the wording, is this another bo1 ban?

[trail anvil]

what gives you that impression

that wasn't intended to be snarky btw, actually asking

[twilit canyon]

what gives you that impression

this is intended to be snarky btw

[twilit canyon]

answering for thugs: u know how wotc moves with bans at times

[trail anvil]

but is there a genuine indicator to only do it for bo1? like omni combo is annoying if you can't side for it, but then you also have aggro that runs the format already

and at that point might as well just do bo3 bans

[sleek ferry]

Mainly the specific mention of mtga players tbh, could also be historic/alchemy hits but im not knowledgeable in those formats to think it’s that

Brawl vivi ban too ig

But I would assume Vivi isn’t even a top 5 brawl commander

[trail anvil]

oh no he definitely snuck in there, alongside yuffie/yuriko

but they don't do brawl bans anymore 🙂

red headed step child format

[golden plover]

The actual reason they mentioned mtga is because they're changing the wildcard thing. You now don't have a window to craft the card for free before the ban is live

[trail anvil]

Heads up on the B&R implementation - As we're steadily improving our tech, we're now shifting how we're implementing these B&R changes on Arena. For this one (and in general) we expect to implement these changes on Arena at noon on the Monday of announcement (Pacific time), not the Tuesday after like we have in the past.

honestly yeah you can't craft the card in response but honestly I like having the card be banned immediately

[golden plover]

It does suck but we'll be getting what: 8 uncommon, 4 rare wildcards?

[tropic cape]

getting a colonoscopy tomorrow and just as after a hard task you get a little treat, what do i buy under 150 dollars to crack for being brave and... really just the prep sucks lol.

something has gotta have a bunch of retro arts that is being printed atm, ive opened just about everything from innistrad remastered tho rip

[sleek ferry]

Oh sorry to hear that, the prep is really the worst part

Worst you’ll have after it is a sore throat probably. But, if you can find some regular booster packs of final fantasy at target (or even the bundle which MSRP is $70 for)

[tropic cape]

oh idk if i would lol my targets get cleared out pretty frequently lol

on the bright sid ethe prep is a lot less bad than it was back last time i did it 10 years ago, now its just like mix this bottle of stuff iwth 16 oz of water and wait

before it was like "drink a gallon of this stuff that even with koolaid tastes like poison, you gotta finish all of it"

[twilit canyon]

mtg x gundam??

[haughty otter]

Whoops wrong channel!

[twilit canyon]

im just joshing ya

its no worries

[tropic cape]

i mean im friggin waiting for the gundam tcg, but i know i wont get my hands on it dang scalpers decided that was the one to go for over the LoL tcg for some reason

[waxen timber]

The beta boxes were easy to scalp cause of insanely low supply but, once it gets actually released, it should be fine

It a lot harder to scalp a regular set that has a company who has supply chain set-up

[copper pecan]

according to leaks they genuinely considered it at one point, back when they first started doing crossovers

[waxen timber]

Though FF and LOTR got bought out but, that is probably less scalping and more Wizards intentionally having not enough stock

[sleek ferry]

Idk, its been pretty easy to find FF stuff at my target

And I live in NY

I would say lotr stuff in the beginning it was stupid easy to find stuff, and then people realized “oh shit the one ring comes in bundles”

[twilit canyon]

would be cool to see with edge of eternity but yea

[copper pecan]

i think the gundam card game has made this no longer an option unfortunately

[barren cairn]

grendizer secret lair

[lusty trench]

Id say the final fantasy card game makes the idea of franchises who already have card games crossing over more plausible but that implies the fftcg isnt on life support

[glad peak]

True but gundam is a Bandai game which makes it automatically be on life support

[lusty trench]

I respect the shade on digimon and dragon ball but do not for one piece

That game is actually doing well

(Its past the 10 main set point so im expecting bandai to lose the plot with it anyyyyyytime soooon)

[glad peak]

From what I’m hearing they’re releasing the gas on it to put gas into gundam so we’ll see

But I’m happy one of their games are doing well

There’s actually a guy close to my friends who has a superiority complex about playing Digimon so any shade that way is deserved

[lusty trench]

Ask him what its like to not have any stock on anything for two years because they replaced it with one piece and ask him how the power creeps going

[glad peak]

Nah he’s the type of guy to say that if you don’t play that game then you’re inherently less skilled than he is (he’s actually the worst magic player I’ve seen)

Coincidentally the most strawman commander player I’ve seen

Complains about any interaction, sure, but further than that complains about anyone playing instants, blue as a color, and goes on rants about how combo is “dishonorable” and yet exclusively plays combo in Digimon (because you have to now but that’s besides the point)

[lusty trench]

... its a zero interaction game with clear defined combo lines

[glad peak]

Yeah, idk where he’s getting any of his confidence from, digimon’s probably the lower end of the skill spectrum

Capped because of the limited interaction amount

Sucks because I love the memory system and they really threw that out the window first chance they got

[lusty trench]

Last time I played was when alphamon oryuken was good

[glad peak]

Tbf it felt like they gave up on memory from set 1

[sleek ferry]

Man, people really want the most from this banlist

Just hit monstrous rage and call it a day, asking for Cori, floodmaw and for some reason still asking for this town bans is troll

[gritty nest]

I tried one piece tcg

It wasn’t fun

[gritty nest]

Is ghostly prison and propaganda stax pieces?

[past socket]

Nah tbh

Just pillowfort pieces

Not even that good depending on the matchup either

[lusty trench]

AYO WTF

[hidden ermine]

Damn, free commander deck lmao

[trail anvil]

jesus lmao that's some crazy luck

[atomic harness]

Congrats!

[lusty trench]

Ty, honestly was expecting another barret card (in my last two commander decks I got barret and his wrecking ball arm)

[lusty trench]

Sold it to a friend for £90

[golden plover]

I mean CSC probably should go too for sure. Floodmaw and this town aren't issues as much rn. If we're hitting a blue card, stock up is by far the most deserving. Im also still hoping beans goes too just because

[lusty trench]

Can't believe locke didn't get an extended art

Main character of ff6

Didn't get one

Crazy

[sleek ferry]

there is no main character in ff6

[lusty trench]

But like if you had to pick one

Id probably pick locke or celes

[atomic harness]

What's this..

[lusty trench]

£120-180 local event

If not more depending on if the store increases the price of the event to pay for staffing and table space on top of the box and if the box price reflects market value