+4/+4 sounds like a genuinely massive stat boost for an unblocked attacker, do you think that could boost boros convoke or some similar deck?
#Magic the Gathering
twilit canyon
with it requiring 3 or more to be +4/+4, its probably whatever
trail anvil
you don't think that's easy enough to achieve in certain decks? I feel like with the standard convoke curve you have that t3
sudden lava
Frog Took
twilit canyon
you don't think that's easy enough to achieve in certain decks? I feel like with...
without your opponent killing things in turn? idts. at that point, if you managed to pull all that off, it was game over
trail anvil
hm
sleek ferry
zinc shard
Sadly I don't think he stacks with Chatterfang, but it's a nice backup in that deck
sudden lava
Sadly I don't think he stacks with Chatterfang, but it's a nice backup in that d...
see took rulings for an answer on that
broken fjord
Like that Qu is its own type. There's not much like them.
gritty nest
Treasure token?
zinc shard
Wow, this'll be nice for when Monstrous Rage gets banned ha ha... ha...
twilit canyon
this doesnt replace monstrous rage
not even remotely the same ballpark of power level
zinc shard
zinc shard
trail anvil
don't we have this card in standard
yeah it's just [[blazing crescendo]] but trades haste for the extra turn of availability
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zinc shard
3rd creature from this game that's a 2/1
golden plover
Damn Dualcaster is crunched out
Really hoping he's in end of eternities
I just want him in standard lol
stark skiff
subtle sierra
That's a cute art
fallow citrus
Jenova, the ancient disaster
2BG
Legendary Creatures - Alien
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to this creature's power onto up to one target other creature. That creature becomes a Mutant in addition to its other types.
Whenever a Mutant you control dies during your turn, draw cards equal to its power.
sudden lava
Base power and toughness of the Equipped Creature is x/x, x is your life total. Equip 5
golden plover
Lmao mythic
zinc shard
golden plover
They really want mill to work
Lol further proof the red enduring is the worst one
copper pecan
copper pecan
these are huge for brawl
zinc shard
and it got spoiled before but htere's the black crystal
fallow citrus
has phoenix in the name
discards cards
is red
every time
lusty trench
glad peak
Lol further proof the red enduring is the worst one
Wouldn’t say the red one is the worse in this specific instance
The white one for sure is much worse and the red one has a funny deck it can go into
golden plover
It's fine, I was saying that the red enduring is the same mana cost and it sucks
glad peak
Repeatable chunky 
The water one looks like it’s something YouTubers are going to have a field day with
lusty trench
I forget which is considered the better enduring
glad peak
In terms of the enduring cycle, the blue one and green one are the best
But the red crystal honestly doesn’t seem that bad (it’s still kind of bad)
lusty trench
I think i have the alt art for curiosity
trail anvil
I think in terms of meta relevance it was blue > green ~ white > black ~ red
lusty trench
I remember everyone hyping up the black one
trail anvil
white enduring was a good draw engine for tokens
trail anvil
I remember everyone hyping up the black one
yeah it's a decent effect, just not standard material really
golden plover
Black one would be really good in a better standard
It just suffers from being a t4 play that doesn't win the game rn
trail anvil
obligatory reduce rotation again, standard is already a digital format
golden plover
Honestly, 3 year rotation is part of the issue rn
But red being so overtuned is the primary issue, and that's partially because they're doing this awful "balance" cycle thing still
glad peak
in standard, the blue one was the best, but in cedh green was by far the best one
golden plover
People shat on Green forever so they buffed it, Green was too good during FIRE, so they buffed up Black to answer it, Black was too good so they buffed up Red to answer it
We're currently sitting in Red is too good, so they'll likely buff the shit out of Green or White moving forward
Which... Isn't a real solution lol
glad peak
we should buff blue to oblivion because blue is the most fun color
golden plover
It'll only take like 6 more years and we'll get there
glad peak
and then give each color some more stack interaction
golden plover
After they buff Green or White they'll have to buff Blue to answer it
golden plover
Time for Purple to come back lol
Purple's color pie is "Beats whatever the busted color is rn"
glad peak
how cool would it be if red had a bunch of delays
golden plover
But realistically, the goal should be to get everything around the same power and not pick out a color to be the "new favorite"
Because it's working Sooo well for red rn
Tbh I'm not sure banning just Cori does it (although cori needs the ban)
Hopefully the June banlist hits cori and either rage or manifold mouse, just to shake things up more
lusty trench
Listen monstrous rage is a completely fair card and paying 1 mana for permanent trample in red os intended game design as maro wanted it
golden plover
Listen monstrous rage is a completely fair card and paying 1 mana for permanent ...
Don't forget that blocking is completely irrelevant as a mechanic as a whole rn
All for 1 mana
Rage probably should go, it was in over 50% of the top 8 in Hartford
But Manifold Mouse is a valid hit too
One or the other's gotta go
In an ideal world, we'd know for sure CSC was dying in June, but "Final Fantasy just came out" and "guys set rotation will change things (not a single card in prowess rotates)" are classic WoTC ban avoiding excuses
At least if the FF RCQ sucks and is still 45% prowess they'll eban cori?
twilit canyon
p sure most every person who played in the rc enjoyed the meta
idk why they'd e ban a card that is also failing to win events and push most of its players into the top 8
3 prowess lists in top 8 from a wide field is bad. none of them winning the event just proves the card doesnt has it in it
golden plover
Because every list has to play around cori and it's results are not fair results for a deck 3 rcqs in
twilit canyon
you'll always be playing the 2nd or 3rd best list in the event with csc
twilit canyon
yeah a truly dominant deck would win everything
golden plover
It's got a 51% WR (remember 45% means there's way more mirrors getting played)
twilit canyon
eldrazi winter was 3x of that in the top spots
golden plover
And this is after 3 RCQs
The format didn't "shift to answer it"
Everyone has to main 10+ hate cards and the deck is still doing insanely well
The winning Mono-Red list for Hartford had to main board 4 magebane lizard
twilit canyon
every deck has reasonable normal cards to play to hate it out
percy was on 3 maindeck lizards
golden plover
He absolutely wouldn't have been on that if cori wasn't as much of a problem as it is
golden plover
Yeah, but it should be a sideboard card in any other format
twilit canyon
yeah any other format where the best control deck is on helix
and the best combo deck auto loses to it
card's good against 3-4 of the best decks why the hell would you not at least consider some copies main?
golden plover
I dunno, cori has absolutely warped the format
twilit canyon
lockdown was already seeing play
golden plover
The only deck maining it was pixie
Because they could bounce it for their own combo
But now everything white has to play it
twilit canyon
so was control
golden plover
Control wasn't until cori became an issue
I was playing Azorious and Jeskai control for a bit before cori became prevalent
twilit canyon
pregnant
twilit canyon
🫃
twilit canyon
also lockdown was super reasonable main against the pixie lists. maybe not 4 of. the current control inovation has been an uptick in split up
and a total disregard of any 4 mana wipes_
doj is at most a 2 of
and sunfall fell off
the only card you can consider as new tech vs csc is abrade
but that card has always, and will always be, a good card to play
especially atm when theres very few creatures over 3 toughness and 2-3 meta artifacts that you wanna snipe
between csc, synth, and herd hierloom, its not at all a niche card only there for one match
it kills tersa, screaming nemesis, most swiftspears, most heros, most challengers, mostly all manifolds
it kills baby makos
it kills fomo
kills qarsi for the mono black lists coping
just a super reasonable card to play even outside of csc
if ppl were maindecking pure shatters with no other upside/effect, then we'd have a problem
but we dont need to
and csc decks failing to truly dominate the format is just not at all inspiring for bringing things to an event
its popular, its complicated, and people have more than enough reasonable answers into it
if there was ever a card/deck to not tech into, it'd be this honestly. csc is a deck to respect but its not even the best red deck in the format. i dont even think its the best blue deck.
lusty trench
hidden ermine
Is that a new effect?
lusty trench
Ye
Honestly cards fun and the etb is good, it's just a little disjointed
9 mana 2 card omniscience
glad peak
drawing a card for each artifact you control is crazy ngl
lusty trench
Flicker him
glad peak
you don't even need flicker
you draw a bunch of cards for playing mana rocks which is used to pay for edgar and then you have that mana for next turns with those cards you just drew
lusty trench
Is there a niche way to use both the artifact synergy and coin flip?
Or is it just the etb
Also worth noting i think edgar goes infinite with zndrsplt but in a way you can't choose to stop
Ah apparently not
glad peak
you don't need to do both
but in decks with blue and krark, you play [[tavern scoundrel]] and with this you can get more treasures and the treasures you make prior fuels edgar's card draw
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Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you win a coin flip, create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with "
, Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
, , Sacrifice another permanent: Flip a coin.
"No refunds. I cheated you fair and square."
1/3
sleek ferry
Broke man’s dockside some would say
glad peak
tbh im liking krark turbo piles more recently
zinc shard
sleek ferry
Damn, this is terrible wtf
Why is this an uncommon even
This is common all day
[[chainsaw]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 3 damage to up to one target creature.
Whenever one or more creatures die, put a rev counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +X/+0, where X is the number of rev counters on this Equipment.
Equip 
sudden lava
this couldn't even make a 1/1 hero? bruh
zinc shard
copper pecan
Why is this an uncommon even
it's colorless removal
they tend to be really careful with that
zinc shard
subtle sierra
Isn't this pretty good?
zinc shard
Nice Show and Tell dummy
stark skiff
zinc shard
Omega, the Heartless
5GU
Legendary Artifact Creature Robot
When this enters, for each opponent, tap a nonland permanent that player controls. put X stun counters on those permanents and you gain X life, where X is the number of nonbasic lands you control
8/8
U
fallow citrus
trail anvil
that certainly is a town payoff that exists
fallow citrus
it is a payoff of all time
trail anvil
looting 1/4 with lategame upside at common sounds pretty nice in limited though
sleek ferry
So I revisited lizards starting on Monday for the ladder
And it’s so funny how scared people play vs magebane lizard
I added 4x magebane lizard and 2 Alesha who laughs at fate
rigid scarab
3 MANA DRAW 3 THAT PROCS A TURN LATER IF I HAVE 7 TAPLANDS ON FIELD 
fallow citrus
fallow citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1374821123744862228/...
girlfriend ifrit 😳
sudden lava
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1374821123744862228/...
girlfriend ifrit?
copper pecan
Wait
Doesn't the mana expire at end of draw step?
no, sagas trigger at the start of the first main phase, not the draw step
zinc shard
man how do you play Phoenix
Most of my games I go through more then half my deck without seeing a single phoenix
zinc shard
lusty trench
Ayyy nice reference
trail anvil
fun flavor but probably too narrow for anything?
unless you wanna shift around your own equipment
twilit canyon
1 mana equip anything at instant speed basically
broken fjord
Very funny with perennation.
hidden ermine
OK thats a fun reference but the toughness isn't high enough lmao
This fight takes ages
Unless you cheese it
gritty nest
Vigor
trail anvil
I mean it's bigger than most eldrazi, I think that's pretty sizeable
lusty trench
I mean it's bigger than most eldrazi, I think that's pretty sizeable
This turtle is more durable than literal eldritch gods who can't die because their physical forms are concepts of a percentage of their true form
trail anvil
damn
lusty trench
Like emrakul, a being who warped people's bodies and minds with its sheer presence (legit she wasnt even doing anything), was a 13/13 in eldritch moon
This is a beeeeeeeeeg turtle
gritty nest
Beeg
sudden lava
zinc shard
I saw this on reddit earlier and mistook it for a custom card
last glen
the turtle is as big as the player
waxen timber
The turtle is pretty cool with ways to temporarily make token copies of him. Like Fable of the Mirror Breaker or Kiki jiki.
Token soaks up 20 damage then gives you 10 treaures at the end of the turn.
If your commander is [[Archelos, Lagoon Mystic]], there is probably a way to go infinite with him
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fallow citrus
Vaan 2R
Legendary Creature - Human Scout
Whenever one or more Scout, Pirate and/or Rogue you control deal combat damage to a player, exile the top card of that player's library. You may cast it. If you don't, create a Treasure token.
Whenever you cast a spell you don't own, put a +1/+1 counter on each Scout, Pirate and Rogue you control.
2/2
lusty trench
You spoony bard!
zinc shard
zinc shard
Bruh its Game 1
fallow citrus
hidden ermine
That's it! I've come up with a new recipe!
copper pecan
we're finally getting the theros beyond death story
also a card flavorfully representing going on a road trip with the boys
golden plover
Honestly the whole bonus sheet has looked like that
Random screenshots of the games placed on cards
hidden ermine
Not actually a screenshot
Idk, I like this art, fits the card
Also lets you play the whole party in one commander deck
sleek ferry
Very fun deck
It feels like if you ever resolve gecko into any other creature you just run away with the game atm
twilit canyon
cut the top end honestly
2 more lashers, 1 more mage bane, and cruise on 21 lands
actually only 3 drop i'd play is the guy that has haste and deals 2 to each oppo for casting 2 things in a turn
sleek ferry
Oh uh the dinosaur?
I do like the fact Alesha actually gets a lot of opportunities to come in safely in this deck, and her resolving once is usually enough
twilit canyon
no its a lizard
but yeah u dont want 3 drops. keep your curve low as fuck
alesha is too greedy and jasper is garbage
copper pecan
an issue of the skill variety
golden plover
Of all the red Bloomburrow cards to complain about
golden plover
The mouse is right there
Bloomburrow put a ton of fucked up red cards into standard
But Sunspine Lynx is the fairest one
twilit canyon
if theres a red card to complain about in standard, the only one i'd give you is monstrous rage anything else is just whatever
maybe fomo
golden plover
I mean, the mice are hella pushed if you're targeting Bloomburrow cards
They're all probably a bit too strong and complaining about Hearthfire is totally fair
golden plover
Also cori lol
golden plover
Hearthfire Hero isn't a problem problem, but he's INSANE for a one drop
He'd be fine overall if red's package was a little less crazy rn
twilit canyon
its a 1 mana 1/1 that grows on target but its just not too big a deal
golden plover
But he's definitely enabling the whole red problem mana
He also deals his power on death
twilit canyon
if the card is able to make a significant contributor outside of standard and pioneer, the card is maybe okay
like csc, its actually playable in modern and legacy
golden plover
He's not the reason you can't block in standard rn (that's rage)
golden plover
But Hearthfire definitely helps contribute to red being way too strong of a color in standard rn
twilit canyon
none of the mice will ever do anything once they rotate and ppl stop playing pioneer for good
golden plover
Show-Off has evasion, that's expected but annoying
Rage outright turns off a whole mechanic in standard
Which is... Real cool
twilit canyon
same with monstrous rage, albeit it can for sure be annoying in standard while it is here
golden plover
Maybe not being able to block red is a bit too much
twilit canyon
the irony of this post is that lynx has had way more success in modern and up than any of the other cards listed so far lol
besides maybe fomo
golden plover
Yeah but modern and standard are very different metas
Oh wait they said pioneer
Sunspine Lynx isn't doing anything in pioneer rn lol
Mono-red is the only deck in the main 4 that can run it
twilit canyon
i'd be surprised if it wasnt doing anything
golden plover
Pioneer is so graveyard heavy and 3c+ heavy
twilit canyon
then again, pioneer is such a massive meme
golden plover
It wouldn't help them at all
Phoenix and Jund could both side it
But it would just get in the way of their game plan or end up in the grave
golden plover
Yeah both decks will kill you on t4
They don't need a 4 drop that doesn't win the game
Jund only runs a 5 drop because of the combo kill and because it's really a 3 drop in the deck
Very rarely do they hardcast ygra
trail anvil
that's a fun card tho
glad peak
huh hope actually has potential
twilit canyon
Mill real? <@480437470870110209>
real garbage yeah
that said, it does go infinite in alchemy rn
glad peak
Oh wait the colors hinder this card by a lot
If only it had black, we could koilos reanimator loop someone to death
lusty trench
Doesn't it die to state based actions before this card sees its reduce or does the card remember its last known toughness
golden plover
Doesn't it die to state based actions before this card sees its reduce or does t...
Nah this works, but jaws of defeat is a commander card and will only kill one opponent
The real question is where does it fall in the demonic consultation name tier list
It's worse than Abandon Hope
But better than Already Dead
sudden lava
Final Fantasy Commander Party Rules
First event between June 20 – 26, second event between July 18 – 24
rigid scarab
New alt format just dropped
What stall techniques would drop to stop someone from getting a stamp I wonder
golden plover
Lmao just play stax
rigid scarab
It'd be a stax meta for sure
Assuming the format disables all other wincons
Every deck needs minimum 5 turns to win
But since everyone knows stax is the strategy to beat
People will load up counterplay in excess
Assuming they understand the format and wanna play and build optimally
(Which I dont expect from this it's a literal new player rally)
sudden lava
New alt format just dropped
I mean you can this about any commander party ruleset
sudden lava
This lets you speedrun it btw
if you're looking to complete multiple of them a turn
lusty trench
Keep in mind it says next finished quest so you do have to do them in numerical order
sudden lava
yes
golden plover
They should've made the art on the new elspeth more standout lol. I cannot tell the two most recent elspeths apart
glad peak
This lets you speedrun it btw
You can complete this before she hits play in a decent chunk of decks
Quest 4 might be a bit hard if you want to speedrun 1-3 though
gritty nest
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrpWF41WwAAGhsO?format=jpg&name=900x900
I thought stats can’t go below 0, or am I missing something here?
sudden lava
I thought stats can’t go below 0, or am I missing something here?
they can be below zero during calculations
twilit canyon
I thought stats can’t go below 0, or am I missing something here?
what do you think happens to a 1/1 thats targeted by [[stab]]
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glad peak
integer underflow, goes to 2.1billion/2.1billion 
gritty nest
what do you think happens to a 1/1 thats targeted by [[stab]]
I’d assume the technical way it works after stab leaves the stack and SBAs are checked, the creature is seen as a 0/0
Not -1/-1
twilit canyon
it actually is -1/-1
lusty trench
twilit canyon
as a 4 maba 2/2 yeah
broken fjord
I'm glad Black Waltzs got a rep. 3 made the most sense.
zinc shard
gritty nest
I feel like I was being rude today in my games
glad peak
what did you do?
lusty trench
Apparently surveys are coming out asking stores how excited their players would be about yawgmoth returning
God forbid we have a new villain
hidden ermine
"Somehow Yawgmoth returned"
lusty trench
I have no clue how any main character we have right now could beat yawgmoth
And that's including sorrin and ugin
This art always stood out to me
Like that's yawgmoth standing on yawgmoth
waxen timber
Please no Yawgmoth. I hate body horror. Like I can deal with a creepy art of Duress but, whole sets having mangled bodies is not pleasant
glad peak
Counterpoint: people love body horror
last glen
memory serve me right
a permanent with a finality counter is exiled when it leaves the field
it's usually a way to make graveyard recursion once per game
fallow citrus
<@122453664466993155> gamer what is a finality counter
no clue lmao
glad peak
Correct, and iirc the permanent has to hit the field to get the counter so Mox Diamond no discard = infinite casts on noctis
atomic harness
glad peak
I’m not positive on the interaction though
gritty nest
https://archidekt.com/decks/13364226/sophia_dog_tribal
I’m over like 13 cards. What should I cut? I’d prefer to keep as much of the removal as possible, if possible
sudden lava
you dont need mordenkainen
Also animal sanctuary? Are we really paying 3 for a single +1/+1 counter
gritty nest
Mordenkainen is in the maybe board.
glad peak
Those are certainly some dogs
sudden lava
there is also a vigilance bear in the 99 just because it says dog?
waxen timber
Playing ranked to get some daily gold. Got matched up against a gold as a bronze but, my whole deck is literally just prowess hate lol
sudden lava
stark skiff
This looks fun
gritty nest
Those are certainly some dogs
What da dog doin
gritty nest
there is also a vigilance bear in the 99 just because it says dog?
There’s not a lot of good dogs, most have effects not in theme or decent effects at bad rates. I’d rather run the 1 drop first strike in here than a 4-5 mana creature that has a mediocre effect
trail anvil
This looks fun
shitting out tokens means you just burn through your deck then grab the best creature and burn with it, seems really potent
I feel like this low-key could've been 3 mana
stark skiff
shitting out tokens means you just burn through your deck then grab the best cre...
yeah adding this one to one of the commanders im interested in
trail anvil
damn is this the best one so far? free sac outlet + land drop on the same turn
storm elbow
This looks fun
thats actually sick
golden plover
People are hyping this up but I feel like it sucks
There's not a world I see wanting to play this over village rites/deadly dispute
Since it's a sorcery and comes in tapped
glad peak
Yeah, it’s almost free but then I saw the land came in tapped which is a decent cost
golden plover
Yeah if the land came in tapped I'd like it
But asking for you to take turn 3 off + getting a tapped land out of it is a HUGE ask
In standard you'll be killed before you get to use the cards from this then
And you can just play annex or [[Corrupted Conviction]]
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golden plover
People are hyping this card up everywhere but I cannot see a world where you'd wanna pay 3 mana for a 1 mana effect just because it comes with a swamp that enters tapped
trail anvil
I might be overrating it, but the fact that you can do both the spell and the land just feels like a nice level of consistency
obv we've had that with each adventure land so far but this seems like you could actually realistically get it off
golden plover
I mean it helps consistency but the issue is what slot are you cutting from your deck for it?
twilit canyon
its pretty free to have but its very okay
golden plover
You don't wanna cut the conviction/dispute since 3 mana sorcery feels like shit
And cutting a land means your land drops are worse because it comes in tapped
It coming in tapped is a hard ask for a single color land
I don't wanna play a sorcery that's 2 mana more than an instant just because it comes with my worst land in the deck imo
twilit canyon
theres more than a few decks that wouldnt mind the land tapped or the spell 2 more mana
but its just okay. far from op
golden plover
I think the issue with both tho is there's better cards for it in this standard
Why play this when a slow deck can play annex
Or when a faster deck can play corrupted Conviction
Imo this is solely a commander and limited card
glad peak
I think it’s fine to have but I’m almost never going to be happy with drawing it
sudden lava
copper pecan
battle menu is probably standard playable
sudden lava
glad peak
There are some really cool cube cards
Modal cards are always really cool to have in cubes where they’re appropriately powered
lusty trench
hidden ermine
Cute
sudden lava
The small Cactuar
lusty trench
Honestly it seems reasonably playable?
glad peak
The much better cactuar
sudden lava
I can easily see this being used in prerelease green decks
golden plover
Much better card than giant, yeah
sudden lava
yo we got a card for the time this dude made a minor spelling mistake <:PogYu:62...
and it counters a spell even 
their spell-ing mistake was casting a 10 mana spell
past socket
The more you know
zinc shard
sleek ferry
Oh wow, elixir is sick lol
zinc shard
twilit canyon
pretty easy 2/1 and it tutors more and its an artifact itself. too bad its not +1/+0 for each other
storm elbow
i do like that the ability doesnt tap
hidden ermine
Shame its not +1/+0 for each artifact and not relentless
twilit canyon
i get the reservation of keeping its power level low for standard
lusty trench
Shame its not +1/+0 for each artifact and not relentless
Jesus on a common?
sleek ferry
This will see Cedh play
Countering the thassa’s oracle trigger while having use outside of it is pretty good
twilit canyon
its an option for some decks but not all
hidden ermine
Jesus on a common?
I dont think we've had a common Jace
sleek ferry
its an option for some decks but not all
Sisay comes to mind since you’ll have legendary creatures to sac
twilit canyon
u usually dont wanna be killing them off though
and u will often have some other form of interaction too for 0 or 1 mana
rog silas comes to mind more if you have an opener with a mana positive line without rog
fallow citrus
Sisay comes to mind since you’ll have legendary creatures to sac
rograkh.....
lusty trench
Rograkh after being thrown into the blender for the millionth time for free advantage
sleek ferry
How did I forget about rograkh lol
twilit canyon
u dont play a lot vs it
glad peak
Rog, dog, and yuriko are options but other than those idk
fallow citrus
is there like a playable artifact theme with cards from this set in standard or is it just a meme deck
sleek ferry
is there like a playable artifact theme with cards from this set in standard or ...
You could try Esper synth
zinc shard
Delivery Moogle 3W
Creature - Moogle
Flying
When this enters, search your library or graveyard for an artifact card with mana value 2 or less. If you searched your library this way, shuffle it.
3/2
copper pecan
there sure are a lot of cards from the critically acclaimed mmo final fantasy 14
past socket
Ooo, Consecrated Sphinx
fallow citrus
You could try Esper synth
is that real?
stark skiff
Random question: How does Words of Waste work if I activated that lets me draw more than once? As an example a draw two spell. Would each opponent discard 1 and I draw 1 or would they just have to discard 2 and i draw 0?
golden plover
They really love giving Consecrated Sphinx ugly ass secret lair arts, huh
fallow citrus
Magic Damper U
Instant
Target creature you control gets +1/+1 and gains hexproof until end of turn. Untap it.
golden plover
Wait why do X spells trigger beanstalk? That doesn't feel like it should work that way??? The mana value is the spell not counting X no?
fallow citrus
[[up the beanstalk]]
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fallow citrus
sure there's something out there that explains it
golden plover
The only ruling beanstalk has is "For X spells treat the full cost as the mana value" lol
Which is really weird since that feels unintuitive with other X spell rulings
lusty trench
Its because X has a value on the stack
Its why X creature spells check the value while they're still on the stack
"Enter with X"
"When you cast, do X" etc
Its also why copies of spells on the stack retain X values
golden plover
Weird. Makes sense, but weird
golden plover
Oh god I just realized all the fast lands rotate come rotation. How does standard survive Mono-Red takeover
fallow citrus
trail anvil
Random question: How does Words of Waste work if I activated that lets me draw m...
doesn't it work per draw
so if you pay 2 mana prior it's 2 discards
lusty trench
I just realised rydia doesnt have a card yet
Interesting fof variant
Guarantees you get the best, third best, and worst cards
But no graveyard shenanigans
zinc shard
lusty trench
lusty trench
Oh shit is full card list out?
lusty trench
YO SMUGGLERS CRAPTER?
golden plover
YO SMUGGLERS CRAPTER?
Looter Pooper
lusty trench
Damn green fucked in limited
golden plover
we have stock up at home
Actually this might be the card in the set most likely to see eternal play lol
trail anvil
that's pretty nuts at common
fallow citrus
if this had +1/+1 it'd be fine in reanimator like troll of khazad dum was
lusty trench
SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG
golden plover
It's funny that the two most playable cards so far are stock up at home as a common and a fling sidegrade at uncommon
Set's looking like a real dud for any constructed format tbh
lusty trench
Apparently we've had a card like that sephiroth one at common before
[[Ransack the lab]]
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storm elbow
I think alot of the cards in this batch are cute
Im a bit suprised by the red chocobl cards i thought green and white where gonna be the colours for that but i suppose gladiolus is already a landfall card with red
zinc shard
SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG
"Cornered by Black Mages"
Look inside
Only creates 1 Black Mage
copper pecan
this set brought to you by the shadow government
trail anvil
the other ones were wiped out trading with the creature
storm elbow
>"Cornered by Black Mages"
>Look inside
>Only creates 1 Black Mage
more than enough
fallow citrus
I was gonna say 1 is casting the spell while the other is cornering you
sudden lava
cant run all chocobos in 3 color sadly
stark skiff
so if you pay 2 mana prior it's 2 discards
Oh okay so if I pay 1 and activate a draw 2, i only get 1 draw and they discard 1? But if I pay 2 and draw 2 i draw 0 and they discard 2?
past socket
What rarity is travelling chocobo again?
sudden lava
What rarity is travelling chocobo again?
mythic
past socket
At least I doubt that it’s 30 freedom dolans good
Because preorder prices are wack in many a card game
trail anvil
Oh okay so if I pay 1 and activate a draw 2, i only get 1 draw and they discard ...
I think so
lusty trench
At least I doubt that it’s 30 freedom dolans good
You're right
Its gonna be worth more
Landfall players are insane and will play the biggest pieces of dogshit if it has landfall doubles
glad peak
commander tax is also a market thing
lusty trench
The big hitters of this set is gonna be like
Buster sword sephiroth vivi chocobo
Maybe bahamut depends on how printed the bundles are
lusty trench
Because she's not gonna be worth much
Also she's by far not the best commander in the set
sleek ferry
5 color food chain commander > whatever cope you’re going to name
lusty trench
The only relevance she has to cedh is her etb, which is whatever. There are better food chain options
past socket
Been building Landfall myself for a bit cheap. Super excited to get it ready to play in paper.
stark skiff
I think so
Lmao alright I’ll go with this. Hate old ass cards. Was just wanting to make Kefka and saw this lol
golden plover
Buster sword sephiroth vivi chocobo
Lmao and 3/4 of these cards suck
lusty trench
you gotta remember how much the other mythics suck
golden plover
You gotta remember how much the vast majority of this set sucks ngl
This set is being carried hard off commander and final fantasy players buying anything that's got pictures of characters they like on it
lusty trench
Sephiroth slots into aristocrats and has ff7 tax, buster sword goes in commander voltron stuffs and has an effect that tickles commander players brains and has ff7 tax, chocobo has landfall and cute tax. Vivi
glad peak
the best commander in the set is celes by far
lusty trench
Idt I have to explain vivi
glad peak
food chain wins games but it's not the best thing you can do
golden plover
Vivi is being hyped the fuck up
It's gonna be so funny when they realize he's ASS
Guys remember [[Vadrik]]?
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
If it's neither day nor night, it becomes day as Vadrik enters.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost 
less to cast, where X is Vadrik's power.
Whenever day becomes night or night becomes day, put a +1/+1 counter on Vadrik.
1/2
golden plover
There's a third Izzet guy that does the same shit
I don't remember who it is tho, because people freaked out about all three
sleek ferry
food chain wins games but it's not the best thing you can do
Tera isn’t just a food chain commander, she literally has an infinite amount of win cons
lusty trench
Vivi probably isn't gonna be the giga busted card everyone think it is
lusty trench
But hes solid
golden plover
And I'm kinda leaning more towards bad
lusty trench
Especially for a UB set
golden plover
He wants to be in a deck that's trying to do two competing things
He wants a bunch of cantrips, but wants to use that mana for a big explosive spell
And the issue is what do you do with all his mana when your hand is just opts
And what do you do with the big spells in hand when you don't have a 13/13 Vivi out
lusty trench
Tera isn’t just a food chain commander, she literally has an infinite amount of ...
So does sissay and she can actually find her shit
golden plover
Also, y'all see the 11 hour cedh shit? Actually disgusting
glad peak
terra can do other win cons and she's a food chain payoff but she does literally nothing else and is too expensive to just be 5 color
golden plover
How the fuck did they not just DQ him
glad peak
DQ him if he has a flight to catch, that's his own fault 
lusty trench
That obviously makes the time limit the length of time between then and the latest he can leave to be on that flight
Obviously
golden plover
If he had a flight to catch, maybe he shouldn't have spent 11 hours arguing politics
But fr, no finals should go more than like an hour at most
And 6 hours of it is spent on the same stack
Dude should've been banned for being an asshole and been done with it
Honestly, cedh events need to not have draws at all
1 winner, 3 losers
twilit canyon
gritty nest
What’s a commander (or partners/background etc) I can build on a budget (50 USD or less) that can be really disgusting and win quickly?
sudden lava
What’s a commander (or partners/background etc) I can build on a budget (50 USD ...
How do you feel about goblin grandma making skeletons?
waxen timber
Fynn the Fangbearer is disgustingly fast and cheap
gritty nest
How do you feel about goblin grandma making skeletons?
What’s the background?
gritty nest
Fynn the Fangbearer is disgustingly fast and cheap
Friend has that built and not really my cup of tea with poison counters
sudden lava
What’s the background?
there are multiple ways to go about it, but cloakwood hermit can make it so if you sacrificed a creature card for Guts, she can make you some squirrels
gritty nest
Sucks that cloakwood doesn’t work with sacrificing tokens
sudden lava
yeah thats the one downside
gritty nest
But then again it would be broken otherwise
sudden lava
on another side, inspiring leader for 6/3 menace skeletons 👀
gritty nest
Basically gruul tokens or orzhov tokens
I’d probably do gruul since I already have an orzhov token deck
glad peak
If you want to do something even funnier that you can upgrade to the highest levels, there’s erinis + street urchin
Control the board almost completely for free, ramp with erinis, and just find a win con somewhere
past socket
Yes
The primal fish side of the brain insisting on Orzhov lmao
The same part that comes when you drink water at like 2 in the morning
gritty nest
The primal fish side of the brain insisting on Orzhov lmao
That 3am night stand water hits different
[[erinis, gloom]] [[street urchin]]
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice another creature or an artifact: This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Your harsh upbringing on the streets of the city left you crafty, resilient, and wise beyond your years.
gritty nest
If you want to do something even funnier that you can upgrade to the highest lev...
You mind elaborating, I’m guessing the gimmick is gruul tokens also with control aspects?
glad peak
Erinis turns street urchin’s activation into just destroy target creature
gritty nest
That part glossed over my head
past socket
Like [[Silas Renn]] and [[Spare Dagger]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, you may sacrifice Spare Dagger. When you do, this creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
past socket
A synergy I’ve faced multiple times from a podmate’s Silas | Sidar deck
gritty nest
But for fodder, do you just reanimate and animate lands, creatures, tokens?
past socket
I’m guessing it involves like Manlands and Artifact Lands?
glad peak
Nope just a bunch of random tokens
gritty nest
Oh
glad peak
Mostly treasures from the last time I remember
And stuff like ichor wellsprings where you get advantage for saccing them
gritty nest
Green has the tokens tap for mana crap right?
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Legendary Creature — Elf Artificer
Tap an untapped nontoken artifact you control: Add 
.
Tap two untapped nontoken artifacts you control: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Why fear artifice? Is it not also of this world?"
3/3
gritty nest
There’s also Jaheira
glad peak
Yep but it’s also funnier to sac bully cards for card draw
gritty nest
https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/206/meria-scholar-of-antiquity
But she does non tokens
glad peak
I can’t remember all of their names
gritty nest
If you remember one I can probably find the cycle
past socket
Ah right
glad peak
You play a lot of non token artifacts that generate value on etb and on ltb
glad peak
[[toggo]] is incredibly funny here too
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Legendary Creature — Goblin Artificer
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, create a colorless Equipment artifact token named Rock with "Equipped creature has ', , Sacrifice Rock: This creature deals 2 damage to any target'" and equip .
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2
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Artifact
Lands you control have ": Create a Treasure token."
Labyrinths of tunnels beneath the streets of the Caldaia offer an ample array of discreet routes for enterprising smugglers.
glad peak
I’m less inclined to play that one here
gritty nest
Fair
glad peak
But it’s fine to have until you get the kiki stuff which I know is expensive
glad peak
And since you want to sac artifacts you can use cards that require sacrificing artifacts for value
past socket
Still reminded of how silly Ganax gets speaking of Background Commanders
gritty nest
Ganax with dragon acolyte?
glad peak
I wish there was a curiousity variant in green or red but I dont think it’ll be possible to have that
past socket
Like a podmate’s Ganax | Haunted One deck destroying us like that from Ganax, Lathliss and some tokens with this Dragon that gave the others Double Strike
glad peak
Wait, actually what’s the wording on [[sixth sense]]
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gritty nest
[[curiosity]]
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glad peak
Yeah, not the same
glad peak
You can do $20 to start iirc
It’s been a while since I tried it
The biggest power boosts to the deck are fetchlands but they’re not strictly necessary
gritty nest
Yeah, being able to grab any land Is powerful
past socket
Would [[Treasure Vault]] be a nice land for that
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Artifact Land
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice this land: Create X Treasure tokens.
There is wealth enough inside to cause the rise and the ruin of dynasties.
golden plover
Treasure Vault is a good land in general
past socket
aside from other “sac land to do thing” stuff
golden plover
Cedh staple
past socket
Erinis seems like it’d have a fun time with it at least
gritty nest
What would make it good for erinis, or rather, what makes it good in general?
past socket
More Artifacts to mess with for Street Urchin and a strong land to recur with Erinis effect
golden plover
It gives a big temporary boost of mana off a turn you weren't using your mana anyways
Tap out into it on an end step where you've got some mana open
And now you have a lot more next turn
gritty nest
Ah
golden plover
And it's biggest opp is banned now
gritty nest
You’d need to spend at least 4 mana to break even next turn won’t you?
golden plover
Yeah, but it's pretty easy to have that sitting around
Especially if you've got rocks
Sol Ring is half of that
gritty nest
True
zinc shard
sudden lava
tripling instants or sorcs
gritty nest
It’s neat, but I wouldn’t use it
glad peak
Girlfriend Cerberus 
past socket
Finally doing MTG, little laggy on my phone but works
Getting a new laptop at least though!
Happy for any tips since most Standard I’ve played is like TDM draft with a 40 card Sultai deck
storm elbow
finally, the last missing piece for my 5 color town commander deck
fallow citrus
yoo they put yoshida in the game
hidden ermine
I guess there had to be a WUBRG towns matter commander
trail anvil
oh he is wubrg lol
hidden ermine
Yeah
stark skiff
past socket
big robbit
Also happily Arena’s been fun so far
Though it’s mostly been the colour challenges and some other starter deck stuff
golden plover
Huh this week's Mid-week magic isn't phantom
copper pecan
>no warrior of light card
warrior of light is on the bonus sheet
lusty trench
No original card for him then
storm elbow
You already got an entire keyword around the warrior of light, idk what youre talking about
waxen timber
I just want an Edea card
hidden ermine
Should've chosen to be a FF7 character smh
Though yeah I cant imagine we dont get her
Then again we dont have WoL somehow
trail anvil
Huh this week's Mid-week magic isn't phantom
wait it isn't?? oh shit
wizards getting uncharacteristically generous
gritty nest
how many artifact lands are there in magic?
copper pecan
wait i forgot the bridge lands
lusty trench
hidden ermine
Chonkobo
storm elbow
I do plan on playing a white green saga creatures deck but idt im including these two
gritty nest
I can maybe see fat chocobo because of the trample but the other no
lusty trench
The only issue I have with saga creatures in limited is they encourage newer players to stall to get them off the field, newer players already don't like commitng their board and this will give them a reason not to
lusty trench
Ayo
storm elbow
(Nearly) Every red summon that comes out i ask myself if i want to play naya sagas instead of selesnya but i still think id rather just stay in selesnya
past socket
Mid-week Magic?
twilit canyon
summon brynhildr is actually quite good wow
stark skiff
sudden lava
deckedoutedh accidentally leaked the blue sidequest
We dont have the associated 4/4 backside
gritty nest
Does colorless have a way to give keywords like flying, trample, and menace? Outside of akroma’s memorial
lusty trench
Equipment
storm elbow
theres probably equipment that does it for individual creatures, but i imagine you mean for the whole board?
lusty trench
Eldrazi monument
storm elbow
theres also archetypal ones (ie, for artifact creatures)
gritty nest
theres probably equipment that does it for individual creatures, but i imagine y...
Yes
[[eldrazi monument]]
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gritty nest
Added it in
fallow citrus
stark skiff
Rydia should get a card
lusty trench
Ay
broken fjord
Exdeath backside is trample and power is equal to permanents in grave
glad peak
In your grave or in all graves?
broken fjord
Yours
stark skiff
lusty trench
And that's the last legendary
stark skiff
Venat 1WW
Legendary Creature - Elder Wizard
Whenever you cast a legendary spell, draw a card. This ability can only trigger once per turn.
7, Tap this creature: Exile target nonland permanent. Transform this creature. Active only as a sorcery.
3/3
Hydaelyn, Mothercrystal
Legendary Creature - God
Indestructible
Blessing of Light - At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on another target creature you control. Until your next turn, it gains indestructible. If that creature is legendary, draw a card.
4/4
storm elbow
Well, we did get a shit ton of legends in this set
lusty trench
I'm unhappy with the disrespect some characters got, mainly zidane(I'm not counting the bonus sheet stuff cause his art is lame and its just a reskin) and no locke mythic but
Overall, very flavourful set
fallow citrus
god this art fucks
also as a commenter says
she should split the deck into 14 subdecks
zinc shard
merry owl
wotc got the himecut artist!
urban crane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1377653668710715462/...
Omg graceful charity probably won’t be good
copper pecan
graceful charity is pretty bad at 4 mana
storm elbow
Wake up babe, new town payoff dropped
What mana are you happy to cast this at? Like 4?
waxen timber
Would you rather draw 4 for 4 mana with double blue pips or would you rather get the best 2 out of top 5 for just 3 mana?
I feel like this is really hard to justify with Stock up being legal
waxen timber
Towns also are tap lands which are pretty awkward when Monstrous Rage is in 60% of decks
lusty trench
Could use wandering minstrel but that seems too cute
golden plover
There's some form of wandering minstrel deck there
But more importantly, minstrel means your hauntwoods token is untapped
past socket
Everywhere quicker! noice
gritty nest
https://archidekt.com/decks/13438749/the_capitoline_triad
what ramp pieces and removal should I cut? I’m having trouble figure out the worst of the best tbh
hidden ermine
Pretty sure its a screencap
golden plover
Definitely, all the screencap ones look really cheap and lazy
But this is definitely the worst looking one lol
The hand drawn ones look amazing
Oh hey two options for cedh commanders with gross cutscene art
twilit canyon
kinnan is already on arena
golden plover
Nah, I meant with these ugly ass arts
twilit canyon
kinnan's are is already ugly
*art
first of all, its simic
second of all, its 2 mana
golden plover
I mean he's just a dude
twilit canyon
it was never going to have good art
golden plover
This one is a random cutscene screengrab
golden plover
They just look really cheap and fake
Actually big buff to Urza's Saga
Doesn't get sacced under blood moon
lusty trench
Important rules update: sagas no longer sacrifice themselves if they lose all abilities
twilit canyon
its a ton of nice reprints
glad peak
Damn, UB directly ruining magic with the saga changes
sleek ferry
Time to terrorize brawl with godo
sleek ferry
No flash zzz
copper pecan
i don't think it needs flash
this is pretty strong removal for 1 mana in a color that doesn't usually get removal this good for that cheap
stark skiff
Holy shit this art is awful
most of these look ass
lusty trench
twilit canyon
that is one ugly token
hidden ermine
Accurate to FFXIV however
lusty trench
Accurate to FFXIV however
Yeah i think they wanted it like that, the artist behind it is insanely skilled
storm elbow
Did we post these already?
lusty trench
Same artist
twilit canyon
reposting this from 3 posts up is crazy
twilit canyon
peep my balls
trail anvil
don't sacrifice them to draw cards 
trail anvil
maybe
gritty nest
what final fantasy precon should I pickup?
gritty nest
Hell no
glad peak
The Terra one because celes is in it
gritty nest
Mardu reanimator?
glad peak
Yep
gritty nest
that theme has never enticed me tbh
copper pecan
lusty trench
She pithing on my needle till I borborygmos
sudden lava
what final fantasy precon should I pickup?
counter blitz or limit break
lusty trench
Counter blitz or scions and spellcraft
gritty nest
Iirc counter blitz is the best out the box ?
lusty trench
Its also probably best new cards as a whole?
glad peak
Tbh the only new card worth getting in the precons is celes
past socket
To go dice rolling or go coin flipping
quiet edge
Just come in the say this:
I normally know little about Magic
But I just learned there's a Final Fantasy crossover happening, and said set will have Gilgamesh in it.
And that just seals the deal for me wanting said card.
sudden lava
I normally know little about Magic
But I just learned there's a Final Fantasy c...
Oh hey wasnt expecting to see you in this chat lolz, you gonna make a gilgamesh deck?
quiet edge
I mean
I may not really get into Magic, mostly due to cost-related stuff and just not being too big on the thing.
But I may make one very casual deck for fun.
Just in case there's something like a Magic event.
And I would just quote whatever lines Gilgamesh says when I finally play him.
glad peak
Good news
Most people in the community are fine with you using proxies for decks, as long as they’re not in actual events
sudden lava
As mudkip socks said, just proxy a commander deck
past socket
Have a thing that kind of confuses me with Magic. Investigate as a keyword being a unicorn
Like I am really sure it is the only token generation based keyword
glad peak
Because saying get a clue is rude
copper pecan
Have a thing that kind of confuses me with Magic. Investigate as a keyword being...
iirc the head designer says that wotc regrets having investigate be a keyword
which is why none of the other artifact tokens have keywords like that
broken fjord
I'm going pretty deep on this set. 5-6 boxes deep.
Sold a ton of cards to fund this, so I don't feel bad about it at all.
I'm definitely building a high power Vivi deck. And looking at lists, I guess Quicksilver Elemental is real. Was on the fence about it, but it's in most of the lists I've seen. Even the cEDH ones.
past socket
Defo wanna mess with Coin flip Edgar
sleek ferry
lusty trench
https://youtu.be/d7alvPqBVJ8?si=HX-6Mvsh9IXcxcOd
Thankfully all the commanders are in red so I can say this without it being a spoiler: underworld breach is the best ff card
glad peak
Correct
Especially in celes
I expect Terra to win here though because of their unofficial slogan
lusty trench
You mean the card that yoinks cards from your own grave likes it when your dump cards to your grave???
sleek ferry
According to Seth, this set is the best selling Magic set ever as far as prerelease goes
last glen
that's been thrown around quite a bit, ye
twilit canyon
the hype around this set is pretty unreal
gritty nest
I wonder if these changes would apply to companion. I hope so
storm elbow
watch video about the new set
youtuber uses she/her pronounse for hope
Maybe kevin tewart was onto something
gritty nest
?
subtle sierra
You want a list? OK:
- "Hope" is a dumb name for a monster. Might be cool if you had no idea what the word means (as is the case in Japan, where English words like this work fine).
- The word "Hope" is a highly charged political slogan from 2008 (which we could see again in 2012).
- One of the most frequent places you'll hear "hope" is Sunday school. Regardless of Sunday school's merits I think I can find enough people who don't consider it to be the most exciting part of their week.
- Hope is a girl's name.
- Hope is both a verb and a noun, which are not the kinds of words you typically use when naming things. Nouns are good, but naming something after a verb is silly. It's "Breaker the Magical Warrior" not "Breaking the Magical Warrior" (which has a totally different meaning...)
- For English, the iconic monster names need to be short and sweet. Imagine if Yugi's main monster was "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" instead of "Dark Magician". You'd have to add 5 minutes to every episode just to fit in the extra dialogue.
- An accurate translation of the Japanese name is "king of wishes". Which is a fine name but is more of a descriptor than a proper name, and this monster is a unique entity rather than one of many. So he needed a Proper Name. Utopia is a close descriptor of the realm of perfection belonging to the "King of Wishes". It's a very close translation of the intent of the Japanese name. (As opposed to the interpretation of the Japanese name by a bunch of non-native speakers overseas, which is what most of you go off of.)
golden plover
A YouTuber should realistically look up the character but... I can see it?
Hope is a more feminine name in the states
And his art is very androgynous
trail anvil
A YouTuber should realistically look up the character but... I can see it?
I mean there are like hundreds of characters to go through, you can't really do that for every character lmao
you gotta put the video out in a timely manner and all and you already have to write a script for everything
hidden ermine
And its a FFXIII character
So hardly anyone knows them outside of die-hard FF fans
Can't really blame the youtuber for it?
golden plover
Yeah no I can see that mistake