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twilit canyon
alright. mono-green ugin has a payoff now
hidden ermine
Ping me when we get Ardyn Izunia
sleek ferry
Nah no way they didn’t give my boy Zidane his own card
broken fjord
Vivi seems strong to build around
copper pecan
Ping me when we get Ardyn Izunia
sleek ferry
Damn where you guys grabbing all these reveals from
fallow citrus
I'm literally yoinking them from reddit
twilit canyon
nice harmonize synergy
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
im sure theres some abuse you can do with noctis
urban crane
How is that virtue fair
sleek ferry
Fang and vanille are most likely bad, but I’ll try them in roots
fallow citrus
How is that virtue fair
it costs 8 mana also run removal
urban crane
Like that thing won’t be cheated out anyway
fallow citrus
okay but it just gives the player protection
sleek ferry
Vivi is the sickest card so far
fallow citrus
oh my god
Cid is relentless rats
and they have an art for him for every game he's been in
there are so many pixels because blame twitch
urban crane
okay but it just gives the player protection
I know thing still seems really good to me
lusty trench
sleek ferry
Alright lol, this is hype
lusty trench
Damn he looks good
sudden lava
Loving this
fallow citrus
sigh repost 10000 lashings
hidden ermine
Hmmm
lusty trench
sigh repost 10000 lashings
You can actually see mine
hidden ermine
I hope that's not the only Ardyn
lusty trench
lusty trench
Also I'm calling xiv cid hot I'm not saying the card is good
sudden lava
lusty trench
It's time for your card literacy chexk
This card is so ass
Like so completely and utterly ass
sleek ferry
Obligatory “they named the card after the thing”
sudden lava
card text on buster sword
lusty trench
lusty trench
👀 not bad
sleek ferry
I don’t hate this
hidden ermine
Ok so Ardyn
8 mana is a lot
Ability is neat though. I kinda hope he gets another card though, because having only one card defined by the Starscourge for him would be kinda lame
lusty trench
subtle sierra
this doesn't exile cards face-down...
hidden ermine
Also calling Ardyn a Usurper is a little odd
Still, he looks cool and his ability is fun
I just hope we get a multicolour Ardyn that represents ||his final boss version|| more
Noctis meanwhile looks pretty neat
@twilit canyon any chance Noctis ends up being a strong commander?
twilit canyon
probably yes
twilit canyon
stoneforge midstic
twilit canyon
may as well have just reprinted sfm with cloud painted on top tbh
lusty trench
hidden ermine
Cloud is not exactly a master swordsman
sudden lava
Do I, oh do I
hidden ermine
may as well have just reprinted sfm with cloud painted on top tbh
Still odd character-wise
Oh Cecil is neat
sudden lava
Tifa but as a chocobo farmer
twilit canyon
Still odd character-wise
idk cloud too well but yeah
sudden lava
twilit canyon
i just meant, if this is what they wanted to do
like may as well just have reprinted sfm
lusty trench
hidden ermine
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/579106856400846861/1370825422803308634/...
Now this is a cool design
Fits Sephiroth
lusty trench
land or bird
twilit canyon
also god damn did we need an upgraded rare -> mythic for courser of kruphix?
chocobo here could have been a rare
fallow citrus
oh the chocobo comes in neon ink with different colours
twilit canyon
8 whole mana is just kinda crazy
hidden ermine
I think his alt art fits him better
hidden ermine
This one doesnt really sell Ardyns character
Yeah 8 mana is a lot
I fear hell be a gimmick in commander at best 😔
sudden lava
WOTC turning me into a landfall player
hidden ermine
Like his effect is strong and all
But he is 8 mana and you have to keep him alive to get value
twilit canyon
wow aerith is dogwater
hidden ermine
Oh now this is a better art
This really sells what Ardyn is like
Is the card list complete already, or is this just what was revealed?
twilit canyon
just whats revealed so far
hidden ermine
Holding out hope for another Ardyn then 
Sadly I figure the only games that will get additional cards for their heroes are 7, 6 and maybe 4
broken fjord
Gonna build absolute virtue. What a silly card
twilit canyon
some decks wont care
but others will just not be able to afford more than 1-2 tap lands
sleek ferry
And the 1-2 tap land slot is usually for a surveil land
zinc shard
MULDROTHA STAYS WINNING
sudden lava
where is the other side for the emperor?
lusty trench
sudden lava
ty
zinc shard
The Lord Master of Hell is the edgiest thing I've ever seen on an MTG card lol
sleek ferry
glad peak
I’m happy they’re not doing the “good guy so they’re white/nonblack and bad guy so they’re black” thing like they seem to be doing with spiderman
Mono white cloud is mid af but at least it’s bad sfm in the command zone, how bad can that be
sleek ferry
Mono white cloud is crazy
glad peak
How so?
lusty trench
Stoneforges power wasn't just in the search but also for.cheating it out, cloud by comparison is win more
glad peak
Yeah, usually the search is fine enough but the main reason why sfm was so good was because you can cheat in things at instant speed including living weapon stuff
Cloud doesn’t have the option and has a bad ability to compensate
hidden ermine
I’m happy they’re not doing the “good guy so they’re white/nonblack and bad guy ...
They still are, just to a lesser degree
Cloud being white makes no sense, and Ardyn being mono-Black if its the only card is odd too
sudden lava
fallow citrus
is the combo just.. mobilize tokens get sacced?
hidden ermine
Im guessing its that the Packbeast alone fulfills his condition
Attack, sack it, the remaining tokens get sacked, Sephiroth transforms
fallow citrus
oh sure
trail anvil
I love the emblem on his transformed side. tbh I love these designs in general, wizards did a great job
lightning sounds genuinely busted? drana with lifelink, double damage and trample sounds ridiculously hard to deal with
twilit canyon
Im guessing its that the Packbeast alone fulfills his condition
the problem is now you are playing packbeast
trail anvil
at least it doesn't have haste
trail anvil
extra turn at uncommon is kinda hilarious too
twilit canyon
lightning sounds genuinely busted? drana with lifelink, double damage and trampl...
meh
trail anvil
maybe a bit winmore? I just feel like her keywords are already pretty damn solid
glad peak
lightning with double strike is pretty funny
obviously not good but it does seem very funny
trail anvil
kuja also looks insanely fun as a commander
glad peak
most of these are commander slop which is pretty annoying but there are some decent other cards
subtle sierra
is it just me or is vivi kinda good?
like drop her turn 4, cast smth, you get mana for another, then t5 you kill them
twilit canyon
vivi is solid
trail anvil
seems pretty easy to storm off
glad peak
vivi's pretty good, an enabler and a payoff, just needs cards
sudden lava
is the combo just.. mobilize tokens get sacced?
Packbeast alone fills the condition
assuming Sephiroth sees the warriors meet their inevitable death
broken fjord
Damn, sephiroth completely hoses other aristocrat decks once he flips. Emblems are impossible to remove.
past socket
Super excited to add Travelling Chocobo to landfall
lusty trench
Prickly bill into traveling chocobo is a hell of a turn 2 3
past socket
Even more of all the Scutes
copper pecan
twilit canyon
turn 2 bob
opponent casts nurturing pixie, targeting their momentum breaker, and recasting it
copper pecan
final fantasy fans be like "if this set doesn't have fartholomew in it this is the worst set of all time"
zinc shard
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monke
past socket
GOD OF THE LABYRINTH
broken fjord
Apparently, Spark Double goes crazy in the new terra flip commander. Copy the saga side, then copy spark double infinitely. Neat.
trail anvil
kazuki takahashi is 2 letters away
fallow citrus
Oh I thought you meant the card name I'll be honest
trail anvil
oh I meant to say artist name whoops
sudden lava
(It's Tifa for commander decks, collector boosters give the other 3 as well)
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trail anvil
that's just objectively better satyr wayfinder yeah? unless you need the satyr typing
copper pecan
satyr's land doesn't go to the graveyard which matters if your opponent has leyline of the void
if you don't have any towns then satyr is marginally better
zinc shard
that's gonna be fun in Standard
copper pecan
also we know from leaks that the common duals in this set are towns so this will be very good in limited
zinc shard
man none of the cards they added to Arena see much Pioneer play huh
copper pecan
oh are they in now
zinc shard
yup, got added yesterday
trail anvil
satyr's land doesn't go to the graveyard which matters if your opponent has leyl...
isn't it functionally the same since it says "among them" and not "from your graveyard"?
copper pecan
maybe? idk about the rulings
ornate cedar
Welp, Standard looks like it’s gonna blow up lol
In popularity I mean, not that it’s going to Hell
lusty trench
People are talking about magical Christmas landing this
Theoretical 32 power trampler turn 3
trail anvil
what format is this, modern? didn't lotr rotate out of alchemy
lusty trench
I think it's modern yeah, it's a cute combo but it's way too weak for modern
sudden lava
X
lusty trench
Apparently eiko didn't get a card this set
(For those unfamiliar, little summoner girl in ff9, very unhinged)
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
affinity for artifacts on a surveil 2 etb? kinda cool
also the white land was def really solid jim davis was right
esper origins is crazy good btw
sudden lava
May pick up the ishgard for pearl-ear
urban crane
Yeah
fallow citrus
I don't know what there was to expect really
lusty trench
Unironically I think the best card there is like
Setzer
And it's just the final line of text
Even then they're tapped
WAITER WAITER MORE ANGEL OF THE RUINS PLEASE
Some of the art is a bit
They did my bois good though
Shadow just kinda.killing his dog every turn is funny
broken fjord
The cards are better in their own decks than in these, I imagine
glad peak
I’d be impressed if they made coherent strategies with commander brain design cards within their own commander decks
That being said, maybe a cube of botched commander deck cards is in order since they relegated a lot of interesting or playable 1v1 cards to commander only products for some reason
sleek ferry
Is Zidane’s only representation really just a ragavan alt art?
lusty trench
Nah he'll get a main set
sleek ferry
He better
sleek ferry
I mean, I would think Steiner or Quina would get a card before Eiko
And neither did to my knowledge
We haven’t even seen Garnet yet
sudden lava
I like the FF7 precon the best of these
gritty nest
Do I buy like 20 [[moonmist]]?
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glad peak
Why
twilit canyon
this ability triggers only once each turn
twilit canyon
sudden lava
cute boots
molten scaffold
Idk anything about magic, is absolute virtue supposed to be broken like he is in their own game?
copper pecan
yes
past socket
Apparently one of the toughest bosses in the series
copper pecan
it's supposed to be extremely difficult to deal with once it hits the board
but it's 8 mana so good luck getting it onto the board in the first place
molten scaffold
Should be easy in blue no?
past socket
Eeeehhhhh
copper pecan
Is Cid the first “any number of” card in multiple colours?
yes
sudden lava
its also the first relentless in legendary
so you can run him as your commander, and his many forms in the 99
If you desire
past socket
Templar Knight’s still my fave tbh
stark skiff
Do I buy like 20 [[moonmist]]?
I mean it’s already bought out for the foils but sure?
gritty nest
Lmao
past socket
Gotta get a bunch of Forests for Loot, any art recommendations?
fallow citrus
I need to play a deck with my boi in
lusty trench
Idk anything about magic, is absolute virtue supposed to be broken ~~like he is ...
The issue with absolute virtue is it reads a lot lot better than it is
Sure you can't counter it and it gives you protection but it doesn't have any protection for itself when it's on the board
trail anvil
https://x.com/TCGplayer/status/1921962404277104799
I feel like we passed over this card quick, is it not busted?
lusty trench
It's okay
trail anvil
it's a draw engine by default and if you build your deck around it then you're drawing insane amounts
lusty trench
Issue is it's 3 cost 1/2
trail anvil
oh it's main set, in standard it's fine
lusty trench
It's gonna be hard to keep it safe while doing meaningful things
fallow citrus
it's a 1/4?
lusty trench
I'm blind
fallow citrus
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
commander card
i was about to shit talk it for being worse than some standard printed versions of this effect but it saved me the trouble
stark skiff
I need to play a deck with my boi in
Huh this is actually pretty neat. This, Vivi, Emperor of Pala and Kefka are the only ones that interested me
twilit canyon
indeed
past socket
Why does it remind of the LCI Amulet of Vigor
lusty trench
Shiny green and red gem?
The ffvi deck has the best art imo but it also has the worst
Gau got absolutely destroyed
Like bro this is not gau
past socket
[[!Amulet of Vigor|LCC]]
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past socket
Sort of but not entirely similar?
molten scaffold
Sure you can't counter it and it gives you protection but it doesn't have any pr...
Wait so you can just swords to plowshare it?
lusty trench
Yeah
twilit canyon
it's supposed to be extremely difficult to deal with once it hits the board
absolute virtue only gives you yourself protection. otherwise it has no protection of its own
lusty trench
It'd be different if it had a decent etb
twilit canyon
meaning it just dies to any removal spell
lusty trench
But it's just kinda there
copper pecan
absolute virtue only gives *you* yourself protection. otherwise it has no protec...
oh i misread the card
lusty trench
I'm probably just gonna buy locke shadow and interceptor? Maybe kafka?
copper pecan
never mind, absolute virtue kinda sucks actually
lusty trench
Locke is just a slam dunk for me
past socket
The green landfall chocobo I’m pretty excited for
lusty trench
Shits gonna be £40
past socket
Being Ancient Greenwarden x Augur of Autumn, it makes sense
I wonder if there’s a legend that’s a Landharmonicon?
Like there’s a literal Panharmonicon (Yarok) a Painharmonicon (Isshin), Smolharmonicon (Delney)
lusty trench
I don't think so
Effect is relatively more recent
I still love how shadow just randomly kills his dog, like he couldn't exile it and then interceptor can be brought out from exile?
fallow citrus
this is actually too accurate to the game with the art
lusty trench
Was about to say not enough bunny femboys and cat girls
lusty trench
Also wait I thought 4 was a full party
Some raids have higher player limits iirc
hidden ermine
... also slight flavour oddity that you get both light and full party at the same time
past socket
Heard Absolute Virtue was quite the endurance fight? Not entirely sure that’s true? Need to play more FF
fallow citrus
dungeons is 4 man and trials are 8 man
normal raids are 8 man, alliance raids are 24 man
so light party is just dungeons
full party is trial and above
god this card art rules
lusty trench
Shame the card sucks but eh
fallow citrus
I hate that I keep doing "I know this thing" to all the ff14 cards
zinc shard
What was the Final Fantasy Boss that took literal hours to beat?
Oh Absolute Virtue lol
twilit canyon
take out your anger by killing it in magic with 1 and a black
lusty trench
Someone brought up that if you have all the same cids in your commander cid deck and shuffle it in its impossible to denote which is your commander without marking it, incredibly incredibly niche but funny
trail anvil
that is really funny
honorary commander card?
o rings are decent in limited but mana rock + removal feels like peak singleton vibe
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sleek ferry
ah for no mana
sudden lava
anyone else's moxfield bugging out?
sleek ferry
Not really a group hug card though
It triggering once per turn kinda kills its cedh viability
It would have been really good otherwise
sudden lava
oh seems fixed now
glad peak
triggering once each turn is fine, would work in cedh
what kills it is that it's a tapped treasure and it doesn't have flash
sleek ferry
It being a tapped treasure would be okayish
And it instantly triggers itself so not having flash is understandable
You’re not going to not draw your mystic remora/rhystic study triggers
So this would have been free
trail anvil
Not really a group hug card though
I don't see how not, it's literally a parity breaker
fits especially well into bumbleflower
trail anvil
now you can put him in 2 dresses
this is such a weird card, 4 mana sorcery is steep as hell but your wizards turn into drains
probably a limited card more than anything
sudden lava
now you can put him in 2 dresses
yup
trail anvil
ureni + miirym + temur ascendancy is fun
lusty trench
try to cancel ff6 deck preorder (deck looks mid)
say they can't accept cancels on preorders two hours after they're placed, have to wait to recieve it to return it
Cringe
they message me again
"we didn't get allocation so we're canceling the order"
Mwhehehe never loooooose
trail anvil
preordering
lusty trench
Usually gets you allocation and these sets are scalped
No reason not.to.especally since you can just cancel if the deck is bad
fast tide
I'm gonna get it anyway but I was gonna get singles of the other shit regardless 
This is how they get me
sleek ferry
Why do I feel like the ratio of ff14 cards to everything else is 2:1, possibly 3:1
fallow citrus
because ff14 is one of the most popular running mmos, it makes sense they would because that's a huge market of people probably predisposed to enjoying card games or at least buying thing from game I like
sleek ferry
It’s still pretty crappy. It’s also the least FF game out of them. And we included it but not FFT, make it make sense
fallow citrus
¯_(ツ)_/¯
copper pecan
at first when i saw this i thought "meh, that seems decent" but then i realized the implications of immediately ending the turn
fallow citrus
I love how flavourful this is
copper pecan
ugin in brawl: i am growing stronger
sleek ferry
at first when i saw this i thought "meh, that seems decent" but then i realized ...
0 death triggers on the stack
copper pecan
yeah exactly
plus if you flash it out using t3feri or something it skips your opponent's entire turn
glad peak
It’s still pretty crappy. It’s also the least FF game out of them. And we includ...
Tbh we expected this to be ff7.set with some ff characters
zinc shard
Also gets rid of Steel Cutter
zinc shard
Holy shit
zinc shard
It's a pro tour promo
glad peak
Oof what placing?
zinc shard
Qualifier
glad peak
Oh just winning a ptq?
copper pecan
oh neat, preordain is the ff1 title screen
sleek ferry
What deck?
golden plover
Ygra vore combo
sleek ferry
List?
past socket
Voregra?
sleek ferry
Oh nice I have most of this deck
golden plover
Fun thing for the mirror: The have to crack their cats first
You cannot commit your second familiar until theirs is on the stack
Whoever's second familiar comes in last wins
tropic cape
what themed sleeves do I get for my goyf deck?
glad peak
Green matte sleeves
sleek ferry
X
steady onyx
https://x.com/actually_tina/status/1922117111201099846?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOh...
ngl rly cool card
trail anvil
man this mwm is full of people that don't understand why colorless decks aren't everywhere in brawl
past socket
Most of the really nice main colorless stuff not being available?
trail anvil
in general colorless doesn't have well priced removal, and yeah its biggest board wipe isn't on arena
you just gotta turbo ramp but people are keeping slow ass hands that aren't gonna do anything unless you're going against a durdly deck
past socket
I’m glad I get it somewhat despite not playing Arena
But yeah the ramp for days situation also makes sense. Especially if it’s around something like Kozilek, the Great Distortion
stark skiff
at first when i saw this i thought "meh, that seems decent" but then i realized ...
new flash deck staple
past socket
Honestly could be really nasty in something like Heliod, the Radiant Dawn
lusty trench
He really do be an average izzet commander
stark skiff
yeah lol. im probably gonna make master of hell first and kefka though before him
Y'shtola is also neat
broken fjord
He's more interesting than you'd think, but spellslinger is what he's clearly optimized for.
Voltron, mutate with clones, and even a mix of big creatures and cantrips or artifacts work too.
trail anvil
ayy lmao
copper pecan
him being a colorless mythic means they need to make him high cost if they want him to do anything good, because low cost colorless cards can be extremely problematic if they're too good since they can be played in any deck
but high cost cards need to do crazy shit to see play
so they made him do crazy shit
past socket
[[Ugin the Spirit Dragon]]
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past socket
Makes sense
zinc shard
Rhystic Study
zinc shard
trail anvil
time for people to play this with 90 removal spells in brawl
zinc shard
3 Secret Lairs
lusty trench
Welp I know what secret lairs i won't be able to get
tropic cape
Yep those are gonna be ones that just aren't gonna happen, i kinda hate it because you know you can be there the minute of and it just isn't going to happen
golden plover
Yeah, the more I play standard rn, the more I'm convinced Cori needs a ban
There's enough counterplay I guess, but the issue is that even seeing all your answers, sometimes they still just blow you up out of nowhere
twilit canyon
its converted 51% at events and keeps not winning them
cutter may not even be good enough when the meta adapts
golden plover
I dunno, it's the gatekeeping deck. Those never win as much as other decks. It just feels like a card that probably shouldn't be around for 4 more years tbh
It might fall off
But it definitely feels overbearing to a degree
twilit canyon
its overbearing if you dont interact with the deck
but the fact that mono-black demons got 2nd at an rcq, and australia's regionals was won by dimir midrange
2 decks that cant actually interact favorably with the cutter
dimir midrange converted way more decks in the rc proper too
i believe it was on 55% (much less rep granted)
if theres an actual deck that i think may actually have a card that is really like that, its jeskai oculus
with fomo
though i think that list is missing a 1 drop
just mako is not enough
sleek ferry
its overbearing if you dont interact with the deck
Peoples refusal to interact with the deck because “loltokens” is insane tbh
fallow citrus
its converted 51% at events and keeps not winning them
maliss lookin ass
twilit canyon
maliss lookin ass
usage at events has reached at most 30%
of the 30%, 51% of top 64 has been cutter, and a super low rate of that has been in top 8
on the flipside, dimir midrange is peaking 55% per pilot per event and won australia
jeskai control over here has been truly dominant as well
twilit canyon
Peoples refusal to interact with the deck because “loltokens” is insane tbh
ppl refusing to play abrade despite how goated it is atm will always be funny
"im too good for a vintage playable card"
goofy
zinc shard
copper pecan
can't believe they made a card based on the scene where sephiroth kills mario
copper pecan
that seems kinda crazy
golden plover
She seems very solid yeah
copper pecan
also rest in peace [[hope of ghirapur]], you served us well as the best 1 mana equipment commander for like 10 years
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golden plover
But I'm very glad she's not a mouse
golden plover
This is one of the worst (best?) bottom 5s of all time
Crucible of Forever is VASTLY unfun and maybe the worst designed card I've EVER seen
8 mana "counter the next 100 spells"
subtle sierra
Yeah this is dogshit
Like this isn't even interesting
I can forgive bs cards if it's somewhat interesting, just that that game design tends to get old fast
golden plover
I guess the board state looks marginally fucked 100 turns later?
But like... Why even bother man
I'd scoop on the stack to this shit if it was a real card lol
subtle sierra
It's just a headache
golden plover
"Yeah I'm not gonna play against that, fuck you"
subtle sierra
zinc shard
This card hurts my brain. So I'm not supposed to play it as my commander... but it had an effect to reduce generic mana, which wouldnt matter unless you're paying commander tax?
(Spoilering because slightly NSFW artwork)
lusty trench
Legit the highest this value could be is 2?
I'm assuming the cards that go with it are guda and mash as commanders but they're not 5 colours neither is tiamat really
golden plover
Legit the highest this value could be is 2?
If a mutate pile is returned to the command zone with [[Leadership Vacuum]] and only Leadership Vacuum the whole pile goes to the zone
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lusty trench
Also this is a lot of text for bad
lusty trench
If a mutate pile is returned to the command zone with [[Leadership Vacuum]] and ...
So you use naga genesis to return the stack to the command zone and then have a lot in there and then when you bring it out to use its effect you still have 0 in the command zone?
I'm fairly certain there is no 5 colour commander that can mutate so it'd be a 5 colour commander that you mutate onto
golden plover
So you use naga genesis to return the stack to the command zone and then have a ...
The rest of the stack stays in the zone
lusty trench
Ahh
golden plover
You can't do anything with any card but the commander
golden plover
Yeah it's bad and might as well just exile them with counters
glad peak
Lot of words and mana to make opponents sac a guy
golden plover
Technically they can sacc a lot of guys
But this reads like someone read the mutate leadership Vacuum interaction and built the whole deck around it
lusty trench
I'm legit tempted to remake tiamat to fix it because I like tiamat
glad peak
If the guy who can top with any deck can’t top with Tiamat, we got a problem with Tiamat
Nah tho make the deck it’ll be fine
lusty trench
There
Backside might be too strong but fuck it its 4 colours and has to survive a round
trail anvil
I like how it doesn't say when it exiles creatures you control
lusty trench
Fuck
trail anvil
is it an etb? at the end of turn?
lusty trench
I did on the first iteration but card conjurer refreshed the page and I had to retype it
trail anvil
oh mb I didn't realize that was yours lol, I worded that rudely
sudden lava
trail anvil
yeah I don't think indestructible humility that even has exile protection is where it's at though
lusty trench
Issue is I'm at a loss for how else to make the backside
It's literally just what she does
Negates all skills, and infinite magic power
sudden lava
lusty trench
Might just make the front side ditch affinitt
Lowered the ward upped the cost
Backside sucks ass to deal with but it's clear downsides and you can just ignore it
It's otherwise a 5 turn clock for each player
trail anvil
there are tons of flavorful ways to go about it, look at [[absolute virtue]] which was a nigh undefeatable boss in final fantasy
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lusty trench
I'd argue this is a really poor representation of the creature in final fantasy
trail anvil
even just making her transformation temporary
lusty trench
Eh I've made her 10 mana now
She's probably fine
Can't flip her without prep so cheating her out is a bit pointless
sleek ferry
When are we getting the World of Warcraft crossover with the real king of raid bosses; Deathwing.
trail anvil
I mean it's 10 mana and 6 other creautres, but "you can't play the game anymore, no really you can't" is not a healthy design pattern
lusty trench
It's creatures losing abilities
That's it
You can still cast instants or sorceries or enchantments or artifacts and you can still attack wide and kill through her
There's worse cards that aren't banned and less interactive for like
9 mana
I'd actually argue card sucks ass
twilit canyon
urza can create different realities, reshape our current reality, and end planes of existence. a printed card need not be as strong as its lore says it is.
lusty trench
Issue is she's got like 0 other lore going for her abilities
subtle sierra
hello skill drain
lusty trench
urza can create different realities, reshape our current reality, and end planes...
Also aren't most urzas before he got his spark and his meld planeswalker also being very strong with a not good condition to go into that costs less mana
twilit canyon
the urza cards printed are before he sparked, but urza planeswalker is at the beginning of the peak of his power
that meld card is still not ending the game immediately
another example: nicol bolas managed to actually awaken his og power during war of the spark and the 5 mana walker card of his reflects that but its still not the most broken thing ever
trail anvil
tbh that static is really unique but the card is super far from OP
zinc shard
lol
trail anvil
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trail anvil
yep of course lol
if a screenshot of that isn't on the mtg arena sub in a week I'm gonna be amazed
golden plover
Wait... Mono-red can do this after a monstrous rage and then hit you with the Hearthfire damage twice
Casual t3 like 18 damage
Also notably it's an instant
Burn together is a sorcery
Honestly white needs path or swords at this point
twilit canyon
expensive cultivate
trail anvil
damn at uncommon?
glad peak
Tbh the copy spell deserves to be a common with how expensive it is
Copying a land at 4 mana is pretty much useless and for copying anything else it’s either on rate or too expensive
copper pecan
nah that at common would be format warping in limited
golden plover
It's probably pretty solid at limited at uncommon
Getting to copy a big trampler is stronger than people expect in limited
glad peak
It’s fine in limited at common
If you’re not already winning then you rely on your opponent to have something good for you to copy and if you’re already winning then there’s no reason to play this
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1372601980127547402/...
this looks really fun with high cmc cards
zinc shard
one of my first FNM tops was with a Boros Equipment deck from Dominaria.
I will absolutely try again
glad peak
Now that I think about it, what’s the ruling on hammer on freya or cards like her who have flying on your turn?
Is that ruled as they gain flying whenever it gets to your turn (thus ignoring hammer’s loses flying)?
sudden lava
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1372601980127547402/...
The "real art" drawn by Amazonian
golden plover
Is that ruled as they gain flying whenever it gets to your turn (thus ignoring h...
Can't (loses here) wins out
copper pecan
[[colossus hammer]]
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Artifact — Equipment
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Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"There's only one way to be sure it's really dead."
copper pecan
hammer doesn't stop the creature from gaining flying again
as long as the second instance of flying happens after colossus hammer gets attached to it
glad peak
yeah, i'm trying to figure out if jump reapplies as a new instance or stays even if it doesn't have flying on other player's turns
sleek ferry
[[maul of the skyclaves]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has flying and first strike.(It deals combat damage before creatures without first strike.)
Equip 
fallow citrus
wel
we know the ruling already for as long as hammer has been in modern
[[inkmoth nexus]]
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Land
: Add 
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: This land becomes a 1/1 Phyrexian Blinkmoth artifact creature with flying and infect until end of turn. It's still a land. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
fallow citrus
if you activate it again with hammer equipped to it, it has flying
zinc shard
copper pecan
one million years thassa's oracle
glad peak
we know that ruling already but i'm talking about the wording on jump specifically
does it reapply flying when it comes to your turn or is it statically flying except on opponent's turn
golden plover
Wait I actually just realized how to fix standard but WoTC wouldn't do it: Turbofog
We need like 5 fogs in final fantasy lol
broken fjord
He'll definitely be my only izzet commander.
zinc shard
sudden lava
ngl I thought this was an older card at first
then I realized who was on the tracks
(and saw the set ID)
copper pecan
this was all i wanted from the set tbh
the rest could be dogshit and i would still be happy with this
golden plover
Love that I'm having to pre-side 11 main board and 6 sideboard slots in standard rn to not immediately lose to 40% of the field. Cori is fair and balanced
sleek ferry
The new board wipe says fuck you to a lot of things at least
New board wipe probably kills the viability of synthesizer decks also
waxen timber
5 mana is hard to get to when you die on turn 4
golden plover
5 mana is hilarious tho yeah
I'm never gonna spend 5 to kill cori because I'll be dead by 5
Even if you can make it to 5, they run spell pierce
So realistically you can't board wipe until 7
And you've been dead for 3 turns
sleek ferry
You literally have so many tools to survive in white 1 mana authority of the counsels, 2 mana high noon, 3 mana union of the third path, 4 mana Beza, 5 mana board wipe
golden plover
Authority doesn't do shit
They'll make the tokens on your turn
High Noon is valid
sleek ferry
Which is fine
golden plover
But they run flood maw
And Beza isn't doing enough. It's good, but not enough
You've gotta keep up high noon and lockdown pressure
The decks that won against cori in the most recent event had to main 4 Beza, 4 lighting helix
The meta is Cori and decks that pre-sided for cori rn
twilit canyon
They'll make the tokens on your turn
the deck has 8 spells to trigger it on your turn
thats not enough
control is the better deck but it doesnt want ultima
golden plover
They can also just not worry about authority even on their own turn once established
Sure, they might have to take a turn or two off but authority does nothing for you in the long run
twilit canyon
it beats every subsequent cori token wrecking the power of the deck on top of undoing 1 life
authority has been proven good into all aggro decks except oculus
high noon, like all rule of laws, destroy prowess
though ultimately i agree that ultima wont be there to beat cori. its here to beat synth
trail anvil
copper pecan
6 fucking histories of benalia
golden plover
The Jeskai control decks were maining 0-1 authority for Australia Regionals and siding another 1-2
twilit canyon
yeah jeskai doesnt need authority
golden plover
But they were maining Beza, Lighting Helix, and Abrade
twilit canyon
the deck has better tools
copper pecan
also i like how it has 5 chapters to flavorfully capture its insanely long attack animation
golden plover
Jeskai was also the only deck attempting to run authority
twilit canyon
but other white decks will want authority and brews should consider it
some orzhov lists will play it (wrongly though) but if you are brewing a white deck, you should consider authority
trail anvil
you don't think fenrir is decent? ramp + body
twilit canyon
oh i forgot fenrir isnt a flip card
golden plover
There were 5 High Noons total in top 32
4 of the 5 were split between 2 domain lists
The 5th was Azorious Control
twilit canyon
control or omni
idr if australia had omin
*omni
also the 3rd place rakdos list in that was crisp but it was so ass too
twilit canyon
omni is seemingly way more popular here and in asia
golden plover
I think Omni is kinda falling off because of the combination of massive amounts of graveyard hate and Cori being the most represented deck
sudden lava
oh yeah tidus has a 3 card infinite they can play by turn 3
twilit canyon
omni has a good match up into cori though
golden plover
Omni has to win on 4 against cori
twilit canyon
not really? they can absolutely play a control game into them
sudden lava
twilit canyon
combo control is tried and proven
sudden lava
using only cards in the precons
twilit canyon
that said, the deck is actually not easy to play
especially when building it to be resilient vs grave hate
golden plover
The other issue tho is that everyone is running all their graveyard hate
golden plover
Omni can play around graveyard hate but it slows them down
twilit canyon
you are putting such a massive pressure into grave hate
this is why it sucks to be the 2nd best grave deck
fortunately, omni isnt
theres really no other grave deck atm
oculus somewhat
golden plover
Omni is kinda the only real one outside oculus
But oculus can play around losing their graveyard
twilit canyon
but that deck is not killing you with helping hand
its killing you with massive makos and fomos
also the fact that you see like 50%
or more
of your deck
golden plover
It'll be interesting to see how the meta shapes up, but I do still think a cori ban is correct
Everything that's not aggro has to pre-board for it rn
twilit canyon
its barely converting enough tops to be oppressive
part of me thinks the card wont actually be a meta deck come final fantasy even if i do think this is kinda crazy
it will probably cycle
ton of control/midrange to beat up on cutter, the combo/domain lists go over the top and beat them, then aggro becomes good again to beat the greed decks
twilit canyon
yeah but its doing horrible in getting top cuts
golden plover
It's only about 15% of tops or so, but that's also because the mirror is very coin-toss
twilit canyon
popular deck does not mean best deck
it isnt
the mirror is consistent
the best player wins every time
golden plover
Sure there's ways to favor yourself in the mirror
But you can just lose by drawing worse for a turn
twilit canyon
this is the same effect that murktide mirrors did
its a perfectly consistent mirror you can play in almost the exact same way every time and get the same outcomes
golden plover
I can't see it falling off anytime soon, especially considering FF looks pretty low power overall
There's some solid cards, but doesn't look like a ton that'll shape the meta that much
twilit canyon
its already in a "fall off" state. on average 30% of the field and converting significantly less into tops. thats a mid deck.
golden plover
30% of the field is a HUGE number tho for most events
twilit canyon
if it was banworthy, it'd be converting most of top 8 like nadu
golden plover
The average player isn't making it to top cut
So they're spending most of an event playing against cori
twilit canyon
then all the more reason the cards fine
golden plover
I dunno, I think the card is kinda disgusting
twilit canyon
if the average player isnt topping, then the card isnt op
golden plover
I mean if you look at all the decks that are topping that aren't cori, they're hard pre-boarding for it
twilit canyon
as you do for a meta
the same way you pre-board for the meta when domain was around
golden plover
Yes, but it's like 12 slots per deck
twilit canyon
yeah with pretty normal spells to include
golden plover
Card isn't ridiculously oppressive like Nadu, but it's definitely not healthy
twilit canyon
its a good card. but its far from unhealthy
golden plover
But they're probably still doing that thing where they wanna fix the standard reputation after all the FIRE bans, so they probably won't ban anything for another few years
twilit canyon
being an artifact and making tokens. like the 2 easiest things to remove in all of magic. its just not that big a deal.
respect the deck yeah but its a far cry from being op
golden plover
I dunno, standard doesn't have the tools outside of lockdown to deal with both at once
And also the tokens are haste, prowess, trample
Prowess on multiple guys gets out of hand fast
Also what happens to the format when Lockdown rotates in the fall?
I cannot imagine it doesn't become insanely aggro skewed
twilit canyon
we'd have another 2 sets to have more tools, and swiftspear is leaving
golden plover
But hero, rage, cori, slickshot, and all the others stay
twilit canyon
yeah and? without explosive swiftspear starts, and without the chorus cards, the deck has no real early plays and less legs to do anything too fast
golden plover
Aggro can get a t3 kill of mouse, manifold, rage (and the fling in FF can guarantee that if you try and remove the mouse in response)
Even without that, mouse and rage are still gonna be around for another 2 years
twilit canyon
yeah drawing 3 specific cards and being soft to removal. i'll take the chance thats fine
golden plover
That's the best case scenario, but aggro doesn't really lose much at all at rotation
And the tools to punish aggro get a lost worse
golden plover
No more lockdown, no more Sheoldred, Go For the Throat, or Cut Down
Wait actually losing cut down hurts a TON for racing aggro
twilit canyon
gftt has replacements so does cut down in a sense
golden plover
Can't have a 1 mana removal for their mice anymore
twilit canyon
plus i imagine we get another good 1 mana removal spell like cut down
twilit canyon
Can't have a 1 mana removal for their mice anymore
caustic and stab are arguably better vs them anyways
golden plover
What? There's not a deck in the format at all on stab
And Caustic is realistically 2 mana most of the time
zinc shard
What a wild year Jodah has had
glad peak
I just realized, suplex is the guy flipping the train
sleek ferry
I think you underestimate the tools available in standard tbh
The issue isn’t even dealing with Cori, it’s finding the right balance to deal with Cori while being able to properly sideboard for the next 5-6 commonly seen decks
lusty trench
I just realized, suplex is the guy flipping the train
Sabin didn't flip a ghost train just to be called "the guy"
glad peak
The guy’s pretty cool
zinc shard
glad peak
TNT real
sudden lava
woah
lusty trench
reviewing the revival trance deck and it seems honestly decent as a first re animate deck... the only real issue is setzer and edgar
like why are they here
theres definitely better effects you could've given them to fit the theme
haughty otter
There's FF MtG collab?! Owo
twilit canyon
its just coming out still
haughty otter
lusty trench
setzer seems like a fun coin flip commander especially with amulet of vigor
sudden lava
There's FF MtG collab?! Owo
yes, we're in the middle of spoiler season for it right now
haughty otter
past socket
Setzer is also tied with Travelling Chocobo for my favourite FIN reveal so far
lusty trench
Setzer is FIC
lusty trench
I'm probably gonna make alters for these as edger and setzer respectively
trail anvil
like why are they here
don't they just squeeze in characters with UB for whatever fits for lore + color identity instead of synergy necessarily
while it doesn't really work together, it's similar to doing unsynergistic reprints in non-UB commander decks
lusty trench
Most of the UB cards in revival trance actually serve the theme
Either filling the grave, reviving things, or gaining bonuses based on the amount of cards in your grave or amount that leaves your grave
Setzer and Edgar are just huge outliers
trail anvil
I man at least edgar also revives things yeah? just not creatures
lusty trench
Edgar just doesn't have many targets you really care about you don't have other better ways of reviving
trail anvil
ye but like I said before certain precon cards are unsynergistic by nature because they're precons
zinc shard
sleek ferry
If this was 3 mana…
glad peak
Anyone who’s played legacy recently, what’re some good decks?
sudden lava
https://i.redd.it/uf7jr642d91f1.png
THAT ALT ART 😮
zinc shard
I'm surprised it's not legendary
glad peak
That ain’t the Buster sword, that’s the Ken maker
lusty trench
Apparently the new secret lair premium foils are inconsistent
Some are just texture, others are texture and raised borders and text in gold
past socket
oh shit
trail anvil
wait taurean mauler is in standard?
golden plover
Was in foundations
copper pecan
broken fjord
That's basically a better walking atlas
trail anvil
[[walking atlas]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Crafted by lullmages and bound to the land, it alters itself to match the tumultuous terrain.
1/1
trail anvil
that's almost strictly better I feel like, it's not like you're attacking with it
subtle sierra
yeah it can also block things
glad peak
wtf is this protocol lol
Putting the casual straight back into cedh
“I would’ve won if I”
“I would’ve stopped you if I”
“I would’ve won because”
rigid scarab
https://x.com/doomdg_mtg/status/1923063791526236387
All these timecall deciders and the official tournament method isn’t one of them
Wait-
They can only select ONE method from there????
golden plover
40% of the field and second highest WR of decks with more than like 2 players but "prowess is fine guys"
We're like 4% short of Eldrazi Winter numbers
sleek ferry
You’re not going to make any changes when the ff set is literally less than a month away
golden plover
Yeah they're absolutely not gonna e-ban it but prowess is definitely in Eldrazi Winter territory
Deck had a 47% day 2 conversion when it got its emergency ban
Prowess is getting there
sleek ferry
It won’t though. If you’re not reaching that in your first major event, the chances of it going up are basically 0
golden plover
This is the third one
And everything that's on prowess is heavily tuned to fight prowess
And it's STILL got a positive WR and 43% day 2 conversion
But yeah they'll use the "final fantasy just came out" excuse not to do anything
sleek ferry
I don’t see how that’s an excuse lol, the meta will almost surely change drastically based on some of the leaks we’ve seen
golden plover
I kinda doubt it. There's a few cards that'll see play, but nothing yet will really stop the prowess takeover imo
And they do it literally every banlist announcement
"Set just came out", "rotation is about to happen", "set is about to come out"
twilit canyon
may be over for julian
connor is a goat
also percy is currently beating gavin
oh nvm stream was lagged af current game is percy vs julian and percy is ahead
a game
twilit canyon
gg julian
izzet is gone
thats the deck's peak
top 8
predictable finals: azorius control vs mono red aggro
a classic match up
twilit canyon
authority of the consuls singlehandedly saved game 1
holy shit
lethal anyways
?
lethal
wow
insane percy game
percy knew exactly how to pressure chris here
that was insane
golden plover
Ehh, I don't think he could've played that g2 much different
twilit canyon
the beza was wrong
all bezas were wrong basically
chris hedged his run exactly how he beat every other aggro player he plyaed
cus chris was 10-0 vs aggro all day
including 2-0 vs this same red list
but percy pushed the onus of winning on chris turning the corner asap
he basically said "im not gonna stablize, im just going to go in" and chris was not ready
chris needed to go removal -> removal -> beza -> marang and swing swing swing
sleek ferry
Beza is win more vs mono red imo
twilit canyon
you need to use beza aggressively vs red if its in your main
sleek ferry
I just don’t like it tbh
Also, I think high noon should be mained tbh. Counsel + high noon is a win con in itself, I also feel like high noon has a wider matchup spread, but counsel answers the most repped deck
twilit canyon
maybe. we might see more high noon but consul was great vs the meta anyways
sleek ferry
No yeah of course. And I get for this tourney it was a pick your poison type of thing
I just think based on this tourney and the different decks outside of prowess, mained high noon just makes too much sense
Until the meta shifts again ofc
