Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

if it ever gets more, its just value af

[zinc shard]

shoutout for TCGPlayer Direct selling Notion Thiefs for $7 while eveyrone else sells them for $1

Bold Knuckleblade

Ogre Warrior Wizard

Exhaust－2G：Seek a card named Bold Knuckleblade, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.

Exhaust－1U：Surveil 2, then untap this creature.

Exhaust－R：Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.

[subtle sierra]

knuckleblade
has no blades on knuckles

[trail anvil]

she's pretty clearly twirling a blade around her knuckle

[subtle sierra]

Ngl that's not a knuckle in my book

Cause you don't wanna use that part of your hand when fighting

[zinc shard]

also could be a rough japanese translation

[subtle sierra]

Maybe

Also this card is just a titan from hearthstone

[twilit canyon]

feels like bait unfort

ik its a reference to [[savage knuckleblade]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/197/savage-knuckleblade

Savage Knuckleblade <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Ogre Warrior
: This creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Activate only once each turn.
: Return this creature to its owner's hand.
: This creature gains haste until end of turn.
4/4

[subtle sierra]

Ic

Now that is a knuckleblade

[twilit canyon]

but idk i just dont see it working

[subtle sierra]

It makes perfect sense

[twilit canyon]

just like savage knuckleblade

[subtle sierra]

I can see where the idea was but it's just so expensive to bounce it and give it haste

I like hastes with protection

*expensive hastes, fuck red

[twilit canyon]

in any other standard back in 2013, it'd have been broken

but it competed directly against [[seige rhino]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “seige rhino”

[twilit canyon]

i canft ype

[[siege rhino]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/200/siege-rhino

Siege Rhino <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Rhino
Trample
When this creature enters, each opponent loses 3 life and you gain 3 life.
The mere approach of an Abzan war beast is enough to send enemies fleeing in panic.
4/5

[subtle sierra]

Canft

[twilit canyon]

being a 4/4 into a 4/5

[subtle sierra]

That sounds german

[twilit canyon]

and rhino etb fucks the value

so you need 3 mana into the blade -> your opponent rhinos and drains -> you swing with this, they block, you pump, you lose 6 mana to beat a 4 drop that did its thing

what saves bold knuckleblade i think, is that seeking another copy of itself

3 mana 4/4, into another one for 3 from deck?

kinda good

then hastes both

thats pretty non-commital for the investment

what also helps: herd heirloom and llanowar in alchemy

[lusty trench]

I love it when a plan comes together

[zinc shard]

Sibsig Artisan

Creature- Human Artificier(?)

renew 1BB, exile this card from your graveyard: Put three +1/+1 counters on target creature you control. It gains this ability perpetually. Activate only as a sorcery.

3/2

Source:mtgarena japanese twitter.

[sudden lava]

Saw someone on tempest hawk yesterday, 13 of them

[golden plover]

Just saw a really interesting tech in the shiko lists

Three Blind Mice when copied off Shiko makes infinite scaling tokens

[trail anvil]

yeah you can also copy it and other stuff with caretaker's talent

[golden plover]

Yeah true. I don't think they were on caretakers

But I could see a Jeskai Caretakers shell working with shiko

[sudden lava]

Throwing [[psychic paper]] into the Tifa list, anyone got some funny names to call with paper for Tifa?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/181/psychic-paper

Psychic Paper <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
As this Equipment becomes attached to a creature, choose a creature card name and a creature type.
Equipped creature has ward , it can't be blocked, and its name and creature type are the last chosen name and creature type.
Equip

[golden plover]

Run control, but 4 mice and 4 caretakers

[sudden lava]

So far I've got Professional Facebreaker

[golden plover]

Board could get out of hand very fast

Honestly a better wincon than the blue dragon ngl

[sleek ferry]

People have been doing this, surprised it’s your first time seeing it

[golden plover]

I don't think it's worth the deck consistency

[golden plover]

I was trying oculus, usually the control deck is long dead if I'm on cori

[trail anvil]

I don't think it's good, but it is a fun meme

[golden plover]

I think 1-2 mice is a valid option to run in the list

But I don't think I'd fully commit to 4 mice

Tbh I just also wouldn't wanna be on that jeskai list

It's good don't get me wrong, it's better than oculus

But I prefer the cori tempo list I'm on

Imo Jeskai is very real rn

There's like 4-5 valid Jeskai decks lol

[sleek ferry]

Sneak peak at the Gruul deck I’ve been working on

[twilit canyon]

i see sagu wildling and royal treatment. put it back in the oven its undercooked

[golden plover]

Why royal treatment over Snakeskin Veil

Surely the permanent counter is better for warden anyways

[sleek ferry]

Sagu is a stand in for bloomvine regent

I’m not made of wildcards

[sleek ferry]

good point, made the change

forgot snakeskin veil existed

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aXcUTVOgq8

[trail anvil]

lam is hilarious

xho cai is just way too much value for 2 mana

[zinc shard]

Looks like a fun commander

[copper pecan]

monastery mentor mentor...

[glad peak]

yeah, it's a good thing this is arena only

monastery mentor is already a pain to track on paper

[zinc shard]

I already know people are gonna try to break this

[glad peak]

desert cenote could've easily been in the main set if it removed the "among your hand" section

[trail anvil]

I feel like they should start printing "starting player" effects in paper in general tbh

[copper pecan]

the "among your hand" part is the whole point of the card

also starting player effects are not fun in paper. i've played custom cubes that have them and people constantly forget who went first

[subtle sierra]

among...

[trail anvil]

I feel like it would be insanely easy to track

[copper pecan]

it's not

[trail anvil]

also you could just reveal for most of the same function, even if the card is nerfed

[trail anvil]

you literally just put like a die on the side of the table for the starting player

[copper pecan]

it's something that people would need to track in every game in every constructed format from now until the end of time, even when not using any cards that do anything with it. that's not the kind of thing that wotc is going to put in the game again after what happened with stickers and attractions

[glad peak]

Tbh it’s a lot better to track than any of those, a lot easier too

[copper pecan]

still not worth the overhead

[trail anvil]

I think it's very worth it when on the play vs on the draw is getting more and more relevant with rotation being extended

play/draw disparity is basically the whole reason they're even trying out these effects as far as I can see

[fallow citrus]

hmm

might just buy the stuff to play standard at my locals

but no clue what I want to play irl, probably not rdw

I'm not ladder fiending at locals

pixies seems fun but I've not been able to play it to see if I'd like it

What's the closest deck rn to golgari midrange that isn't just golgari midrange

[twilit canyon]

pixie

technically its dimir midrange

[fallow citrus]

oh if pixie's similar that's good

it looks like a deck I'd enjoy anyway

[golden plover]

Lmao this was literally a hellscube card

[copper pecan]

yeah when i first saw it i thought "hellscube has to have a card like this, right?"

[fallow citrus]

does anything rotate from pixies soon?

[golden plover]

He's actually more balanced in hellscube lol

Stricter casting cost and he's legendary

[twilit canyon]

lands p sure

i think pixie and hexmage rotate too

but we got 2 pixie replacements

[golden plover]

Pixie stays 2 more years

OTJ rotates in 2027

[twilit canyon]

oh right right

[fallow citrus]

and when is rotation, end of year?

idm buying some cheap lands for them to rotate

[golden plover]

You'd only lose the painlands

And those are like $1 at most

[fallow citrus]

yeah exactly

and I assume there are suitable replacements for them

[golden plover]

Ehh not really lol

You have the fast lands still

But manabases will be a bit slower post rotation

[fallow citrus]

that's fine in a deck like pixies I assume

[golden plover]

Yeah slower decks aren't as punished by it

Although pixie wants it's manabase to be as fast as possible

So it will take a hit

Which could be a problem into aggro

We'll have to see

This one is RIDICULOUSLY pushed holy shit

And it's paper printable smh

How the fuck is he a 2 mana 2/3 flying, vigilance, haste, and both abilities are all upside?

[twilit canyon]

extremely rare to retain info on the next noncreature you cast costing 1 less

[copper pecan]

not paper printable, you don't need to use the bonus during the current turn

[twilit canyon]

the stats are good though

[golden plover]

Ohhh that's such a minor thing considering there's literally a blue card in the main set that does it for that turn only

[twilit canyon]

but it kind of isnt really big synergistic with a lot of cards. it flickers creatures you control

but you need to 2x spell

thats pretty awkward

for most points, its a french vanilla with worse typeline and stats than mantis riders and its legendary so it cant snowball

[golden plover]

Mantis Riders is 3 mana lol

This is a whole mana cheaper and everything else on it is upside

[twilit canyon]

yeah but mantis rider is a 3 mana bolt that blocks

this is a 2 mana deal 2 that can block decently

its legendary though so you cant amount to making a ton of them on board

and the effect on it is very okay

nothing groundbreaking

it does give you a tiny bit of built-in protection for it ig

more easily lets you double spell to flicker itself on your opponents turn in response to removal

[copper pecan]

yeah i'd be more worried about this in brawl than anywhere else

[twilit canyon]

boros flicker in brawl sounds kind of hot actually

just wish it flickered more than creatures

but i like the idea here: cast it on 1 with chrome mox, t2, cast 2 mana cantrip creature + a removal spell flicker the cantrip

t3, cast skyclave apparition, etb, hold priority, any non-creature instant, xho cai trigger, flicker skyclave, exile, give them a 0/0, etb again, exile another thing

[trail anvil]

turning every spell in the deck into a flicker spell sounds pretty darn nice yeah

[copper pecan]

apparently the image they used for the bird was wrong

it's mana cost is supposed to be wur, not wr

which means it's probably not very good

[twilit canyon]

dogshit card now

fun for brawl probs

do u have a source btw? i cant find info on it supposed to be wur

[copper pecan]

someone on the arena team

[golden plover]

That makes way more sense at WUR

[sleek ferry]

That card was hella pushed at 2 pips lol

3 pips it makes sense

[twilit canyon]

3 pips is unplayable

[trail anvil]

was this confirmed anywhere?

[golden plover]

??? It's mantis rider, harder to remove, with all upside

[golden plover]

Actually you can tell by looking at the card. It's got a gold border

[trail anvil]

oh fair actually

[golden plover]

If he was Boros he'd have the Boros crown

[copper pecan]

it's a 3 mana 2/3

also it's not very much harder to remove

how often are you gonna double spell on your opponent's turn

[twilit canyon]

dies to cut down

[copper pecan]

hasn't cut down rotated out of alchemy

[twilit canyon]

yeah but thats the kind of power level of this card

its pretty balanced as a whole

being a 2/3 siginificantly reduces the clock

legendary prevents the mantis rider -> mantis rider curve that terrorized modern for a time

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/qr9oEvXqEQo?si=Z3ZbEtwumIxba59U

[ornate cedar]

So have we talked about the marvel licensing issue here?

[copper pecan]

kind of wild that people are now mad about them not doing even more crossover stuff

[rigid scarab]

Well they're just inconsistent with it

[golden plover]

It's honestly just super fucking embarrassing lol

[copper pecan]

don't you hate ub? shouldn't you be happy about this

[ornate cedar]

As someone who is a newcomer and isn’t steeped into either Magic’s lore or UB, I think it’s very sloppy from an optics perspective at best, and completely dismissive of WOTC’s customers at worst. They had to have known for a while this was going to happen, probably in the negotion stage between Marvel and WOTC, and keeping that in mind, it seems strange that they thought keeping it secret would be a good idea. Practically, it will be a mess considering that the names of the cards and the art will be different. If one plays the paper set, it will be necessarily hard to find the Arena/Online equivalent and vice versa since only the card text and mana cost will match. It just seems like a bad business decision all around

I’m not mad or anything, more annoyed/disappointed that WOTC mishandled this

And it may happen again in the future with other IP. Considering how much money they made with FF7, you know UB will just gain more influence in Standard

[trail anvil]

I'm surprised to see this much omniscience, figured it was just a bo1 deck

[twilit canyon]

nothing over 20%

crazy wide meta

most repped deck is only 4 over others

we may never see a better standard meta

[trail anvil]

it does actually seem pretty diverse

https://melee.gg/Decklist/View/b3a97e12-3d47-49ec-b658-b2c801160ec6 looks like omni is back to value turn instead of one-shot combo? frees up the sideboard and you don't have to play cards like invasion of arcavios that do nothing without omni, so makes sense to me

[past socket]

Can only hope people are enjoying it

[lusty trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/s/enjQZ2eNRp

Saw this custom card, "went oh that's neat probably dimir cause of the second ability but" then I saw the cost

[fallow citrus]

most custom magic card to ever custom magic

[trail anvil]

I feel like with some tweaking this card could actually be okay, but that -2 definitely is not lmao

have they ever played black in an actual game of magic

[twilit canyon]

buidl is sick

im guessing they didnt wanna lose to raw hate and honestly

t4 marang is very strong too

[fallow citrus]

have they ever played black in an actual game of magic

[subtle sierra]

fake cost

summons from gy (ignore the token part)

destroys monsters

this is a yugioh card

[trail anvil]

yeah the flexibility of marang to be more filtering, removal or even your combo piece is really nice

[subtle sierra]

wait does this just turbo out marang to bounce all they have then kill them with value

[trail anvil]

you get out omniscience, loop dragonstorm and draw most of your deck to have a bunch of dragons, counterspells and interactions for the next turn

[subtle sierra]

Ic

Wouldn't having at least one arcavios for an insta win button not worth?

I should try marang, it sounds like a card I'd really like

[twilit canyon]

marang will loop 2 copies of itself to bounce their board

etb bounce 2, 2nd marang bounce the og +1 cards of theirs

and then loop

but yeah you can do a lot of things with a set up but i can see a single arcavios to have a possible loop available being good

[trail anvil]

arcavios in bo3 shrinks your sideboard too

you can use it in main but honestly if you already have omni out I feel like that should be enough to win

[subtle sierra]

Perhaps

Ig it's just me liking an "i win" button

[sudden lava]

I got good news and bad news
Good news, I found a place to get the Final Fantasy Limit Break precon for a relatively good price (80 dollars plus tax) and it's within walking distance!
Bad news, it's Gamestop, no preorder so first come first serve (so I have to be there before someone buys all of the stock)

[zinc shard]

tried out [[Fyn The Fangbearer]] in Brawl and won on Turn 4... feels disgusting lol

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/637/fynn-the-fangbearer

Fynn, the Fangbearer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
Whenever a creature you control with deathtouch deals combat damage to a player, that player gets two poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
"Come, Koma, and reclaim what you lost! Or does the great serpent fear a rematch?"
1/3

[copper pecan]

yeah fynn is pretty crazy if you don't open removal

there's not much you can do to stop him once he gets going

[past socket]

Been looking for some ways to embrace my inner archenemy

[trail anvil]

toxrill

[past socket]

Like and share with your friends to totally slug them!

Also got suggested for it some Punisher/Group Slug strats

Like Mogis or Ojer Axonil

Though what are the big things that makes Toxrill evil aside from beinf a board wipe in the Command Zone

[trail anvil]

do you need anything more tbh

group slug is less archenemy imo

if you really want something to make you the archenemy without being toxic, maybe superfriends? people love attacking planeswalkers

[past socket]

Good idea though Toxrill will do nicel regardless

Guessing the main stuff is acceleration for faster Toxrill setup and some proliferators alongside some Aristocrat stuff for the slugs and stuff that already makes the opponent’s creatures puny

For example only other support for Slime Counters [[Sludge Monster]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/735/sludge-monster

Sludge Monster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Horror
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, put a slime counter on up to one other target creature.
Non-Horror creatures with slime counters on them lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 2/2.
Tracking it isn't the hard part.
5/5

[past socket]

Like the only thing that kinda makes me a bit nervous about Toxrill is not being used to a high CMC Commander but I’ve gotta get out of my comfort zone sometime

[broken fjord]

My archenemy deck is a Grist flipwalker graveyard land deck. Makes a ton of mana fast and gets shifting woodland out to do stupid stuff very early. Makes everyone super miserable and easily allowed me to 1v3 the table. Don't bring it out often though since I like having friends.

[subtle sierra]

ok maybe arcavios isn't needed

tempted to add a single proft's tho

[trail anvil]

do y'all think selesnya cage is actually the underrated deck its players claim it is, or it's just powered on sheer cope?

[past socket]

Also the recently unbanned mono black Braids got me thinking of how possibly fun the mono blue version could be even if people justifiably don’t trust group hug players

[glad peak]

Spoilers: it’s not

[lusty trench]

Symmetrical effects are always balanced

[past socket]

But ye ultimately sticking to the funny slug

[golden plover]

It's good, but it struggles a bit into a lot of the primary matchups rn. I'm always surprised how fast it can shit out the board, but it's also not a deck I'd take to an event

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/9hsi6nQKwKc?si=Ezf9yzX6u61-WE4U

[sudden lava]

mothman

[stark skiff]

Just wanted to show off this pick up

[steady onyx]

thats a pretty woman

and a pretty card

[stark skiff]

yea one of my favorites from that series. finally found one irl couldnt pass up on it

[steady onyx]

that is one thing i find lacking in magic

idk if its good or bad

but to me theres less waifus

yugioh always has like waifus

i dont rly see that in magic

maybe just cause less archetype focused

[glad peak]

They also pushed wayyy away from that after I think it was the garruk vs Liliana stuff

[golden plover]

Yeah they didn't want that kinda image after that

[glad peak]

I do want more waifus but I do know a lot of people are gonna be weird about it (well, they already are even without, just on the opposite side)

Like I legit heard someone from my lgs say “why can dryad of the elysian grove and oko be naked men but I can’t have my waifus”

[steady onyx]

what happebed there?

[steady onyx]

i dont really care im mostly meming but i just am really noticing it

and was just idk

[glad peak]

There was some art of Garruk choking lili (fully deserved btw, she deserved to die there) and people took that to look too sexual (I dont see it but I can sort of see where people are coming from)

[golden plover]

Oof the new Izzet build absolutely destroys control. Guess we're switching to learning the prowess mirror

[lusty trench]

My dragons have been in customs for 9 days tf did the guy who sent them pack it with

[golden plover]

Sorry he mixed them up with his order of Elephant's Foot. You're getting radiation

[lusty trench]

I'm convinced it got lost it sorting

[trail anvil]

have you tried jeskai shiko

that seems moderately promising

[golden plover]

Its got potential but you're playing behind all game. Which is rough when aggro can end you on t4 if you don't have it

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-the-ultimate-pencil-superdrop

@lusty trench $100 SECRET LAIRS

They're out of their goddamn minds

[lusty trench]

MTG needs to make their raised foils good first

Those red secret lairs look fantastic art wise though

[golden plover]

The art is awesome

But $100 for fancy foils holy shit

[lusty trench]

These ones in particular

[sleek ferry]

I mean, if there's a market for them, why not

the regular is still 29.99

if somebody wants to pay $100 for the raised foils, let them

[lusty trench]

I wouldn't mind if I thought the raised foils in magic looked nice enough to justify but eh it's people's money if they want to waste it they can

Lightning bolt has to be the bonus for the first lair right?

[fallow citrus]

oh these FUCK

[twilit canyon]

made for me

[lusty trench]

Is bauble usually run in rdw/burn or did the artist/wotc just go "ye bauble"

[twilit canyon]

prowess

which is the theme for this lair

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[golden plover]

This lair was totally made before the breach ban lol

And it's weird they put rift bolt in instead of regular bolt

But the art does fuck. Not $100 fucks tho

[fallow citrus]

it's only 100 for the raised foils stop saying that

even rainbow foil is at least $40

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1916892671223758944?t=tJcGyZ-lRLXMf5Fx5X-7eA&s=19

MTG Secret Lair (@MTGSecretLair) on X

You only have to wait two more weeks to order it, but today we shared the entire decklist for the Morophon the Boundless 'Everyone's Invited' Commander deck!

https://t.co/kagKZTQ1nM

X · Apr 28, 2025, 4:30 PM

Okay out of nowhere but sure

The art for this fucks but the deck is just whatever

[sleek ferry]

Holy, this list is mega ass

[ornate cedar]

Maybe it’s just me, but they don’t look good

[zinc shard]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/30-commander-decks-under-30

Don't spend 100 on raised foils, buy 3 of these instead

[stark skiff]

oh boy raised foils

[stark skiff]

i really like the new art and the tokens

[zinc shard]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7066413#paper

Here's the list for the Everyone's Invited deck

some nice reprints but yeah deck is all over the place

[lusty trench]

Keep in mind getting the alt arts will likely cost more than the deck itself if you want them all

Also keep in mind scalpers will still go after this to drive up the value of the alt arts

[zinc shard]

oh god the decks $200?

Fuck that

[past socket]

[[Cirdan]] has certainly been quite a rabbit hole

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/50/círdan-the-shipwright

Círdan the Shipwright <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Vigilance
Secret council — Whenever Círdan enters or attacks, each player secretly votes for a player, then those votes are revealed. Each player draws a card for each vote they received. Each player who received no votes may put a permanent card from their hand onto the battlefield.
3/4

[past socket]

I also apologise to the Simic playerbase for labeling all Simic decks as “boring”

Except Simic Landfall, it absolutely is the most basic and boring thing I can think of

[trail anvil]

it's okay you don't need to apologize to simic players, they kinda deserve it

speaking as a simic player

[gritty nest]

Simic aka trust fund colors

[copper pecan]

what was that one simic commander that was like "whenever you play a land, draw a card" that was like a giant sea serpent and was the most boring shit ever

[past socket]

[[Aesi]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Aesi”, can you be more specific?

[past socket]

[[Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/210/aesi-tyrant-of-gyre-strait

Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may draw a card.
"To sail through those waters is to offer oneself as tribute." —Captain Hoyrik
5/5

[copper pecan]

yeah that one

god that's so boring

[past socket]

Simic Landfall is very much the white bread of EDH

Like you can easily interchange the Commander of a deck with Aesi, Tatyova and Bonny Pall

And not habe the 99 change at all aside from the main Legends

[fallow citrus]

I enjoyed cedh tatyova

[stark skiff]

the Duskmorn one had something neat but eventually felt the same too

[gritty nest]

I just turned it into [[kadena, slinking sorcerer]] to hard lean into the flip mechanic

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/45/kadena-slinking-sorcerer

Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Snake Wizard
The first face-down creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Whenever a face-down creature you control enters, draw a card.
"The only constant in life is the unknown."
3/3

[gritty nest]

It’s now broken

[past socket]

Never not flippy time

[glad peak]

Oh hey that’s actually pretty good for tarkir cube

[stark skiff]

Anyone got any advice for the 5 color omnath deck? Just making one to focus on all the cool ultimatums/charms and multicolored spells. Have the obvious X spell wincons.

This is the first draft so far:
https://archidekt.com/decks/12794485/omnath_locus_of_all

[golden plover]

Oh god: I just realized the annoying ass ketramose pile that takes 300 turns to lose the game actually beats Oculus. Don't let them realize this or they'll be too frequent in standard

[trail anvil]

that certainly is a pile of good cards

cards like cruel ultimatum seem worse in multiplayer

[twilit canyon]

nice spread overall

[stark skiff]

just wanted to mess around with the charms and 5 color stuff.

[stark skiff]

it is but most of the ultimatums seem that way lol

[trail anvil]

got rifted/rebuked 4 times this game and still won

thank god for haste

[golden plover]

This midweek magic sucks

The Mardu deck is so strong compared to everything else

That token guy just says "win the game"

[copper pecan]

nah the jeskai one is strong too

[golden plover]

I only ever saw the Mardu one for 5/6 games I played

Felt like an uphill battle every game and if they got that token guy down, gg

[sudden lava]

oh no birthday reveal today, ok

[trail anvil]

I got my 3 wins on the dragon deck, I should check out jeskai

[trail anvil]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/782233963317067776/would-it-be-possible-to-reprint-a-card-from oh shit let's go

[trail anvil]

monogreen storm aeve seems pretty fun on the first test so far

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/WYwNGe-qJJI

Rebell dropped another banger of a video

[golden plover]

I dunno if I'm bad at oculus or if the list is bad or if the deck just sucks, but it feels like this deck can't do shit on the ladder rn

I'll just lose to them randomly having whatever out they need

Or I'll keep a 3 lander with fomo and oculus and draw 5 lands for turn

I don't think my list is wrong

I think Oculus might have been a tournament call and the deck actually sucks lol

[copper pecan]

playing myriim in brawl and i love dropping a [[twinflame tyrant]] and hitting my opponent with the out of nowhere quadruple damage

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/97/twinflame-tyrant

Twinflame Tyrant <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
If a source you control would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals double that damage instead.
"Job only paid enough for one head. I'm out." —Peren, veteran mercenary
3/5

[sleek ferry]

Ngl, I play probably the most ranked games here out of anybody, and I haven’t seen oculus on the ladder since pre Tarkir

The fact that it’s the 3rd most repped deck is completely shocking to me

[golden plover]

Yeah that's why I'm thinking it was a meta call and it's not real

Wanted to try it out this season since it looks like it kills prowess

But it doesn't feel like it's there? I dunno

[twilit canyon]

you cant just say that when im here thugs. even if i didnt play much at all last week.

[sleek ferry]

Smh, you have no proof without a season review

[golden plover]

Guess I'll have to switch back to prowess but that mirror is so boring

[twilit canyon]

oculus is fine

[golden plover]

We love mirrors determined by the opening 7

[twilit canyon]

but its not exciting

prowess is far from a opening 7 mirror

[golden plover]

Oculus feels more my speed, but it just doesn't feel like it can hold its own rn

[sleek ferry]

I was telling saint that there’s probably room in the meta for a high noon deck

[twilit canyon]

there is

its already being tested

couple of weeks ago

[golden plover]

I do still think there is

No clue what it would be tho

[sleek ferry]

I would lean towards Azorius by default tbh

[golden plover]

Why not just Jeskai control then

[sleek ferry]

What’s red adding under high noon

[golden plover]

Lightning Helix, Shiko, can pop your high noon to kill them

Torch the tower

Rediscover the Way

[sleek ferry]

Idt helix is mainable in a high noon deck

[twilit canyon]

abrade

[golden plover]

Maybe we're just building Jeskai Control lol

[twilit canyon]

abrade is the big one

abrade beats cori

and theres like

3-4 total creatures in the format over 3 toughness

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but high noon also beats Cori on the draw

[twilit canyon]

only if you dont open floodmaw

high noon isnt being tested for purely beating cori

[sleek ferry]

Oh ofc, not saying that at all

[twilit canyon]

its also solid against bounce

and oculus

those are the high noon matrix better match ups

[sleek ferry]

I think high noon is just the 2nd most obnoxious stax piece rn

[twilit canyon]

but it also does a great job of slamming cori prowess speed down significantly if they dont open well

1st being clarion my goat

[golden plover]

Speaking of Clarion, [[Deafening Clarion]] should've been in foundations

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/grn/165/deafening-clarion

Deafening Clarion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one or both —
• Deafening Clarion deals 3 damage to each creature.
• Creatures you control gain lifelink until end of turn.
"Commander, what's the signal to attack?" "You'll know."

[golden plover]

I want that card back in standard

It's very fair, but it's fun as hell

[twilit canyon]

that would actually make the prowess mirrors miserable

opt -> clarion swing 6 lifelink

[golden plover]

Ehh, that'd require prowess splashing white

[twilit canyon]

you can splash a color

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the list is so fine tuned

[twilit canyon]

it really isnt

[golden plover]

I think adding a third color would hurt more than it'd help

[twilit canyon]

ppl are still experimenting with cards like thundertrap trainer

a green or white or black splash

and bounce engine pieces

[golden plover]

Oh so that control list I'm playing was actually just ahead of the game lol

[sleek ferry]

Speaking of, I was spamming the midweek Magic yesterday, why the fuck did Abzan actually get the perfect 1 drop for +1/+1 decks while we got nothing in the main set

[twilit canyon]

the config was wrong. but the idea was there. because the meta will be adapting fast to prowess

ppl are already maindecking abrade

so ppl are thinking why not go resilient?

cori steel cutter is great if you can defend it

[golden plover]

Yeah nah it's a bit too slow rn but before prowess was solved it was doing a ton

And I still think the idea is real

[twilit canyon]

its still pretty far from solved

[sleek ferry]

I was maindecking abrade last week, but I’m also testing cope shit rn

[golden plover]

Maybe I just go back to that? I dunno. I don't wanna play prowess and oculus feels like ass

[twilit canyon]

you should be maindecking abrade if you are not a super fast red deck

you likely need to practice oculus more

cus the list has done extremely well in background testing and in bologna it did very well into the meta

its worst mu was vs dimir midrange

thats a good overall spread

check alan's list from bologna for oculus. i thought it was pretty elegant overall. with maybe like 1 or 2 cards i'd swap

[golden plover]

I'll try and play a bit with it more, but it's just not clicking

Could always try this again lol

Not sold on the shikos

But I think it's an option

Torn between Shiko, main decking abrade, or pixie?

Maybe stock up?

[twilit canyon]

shiko is too greedy

the idea is just 2 trainers

[golden plover]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too

I think abrade feels right

I liked pixie in this but there were a decent bit of dead pixies in hand

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1367488241497804870/Screenshot_20250429_123632_Google_Play_Store.jpg?ex=6814c42b&is=681372ab&hm=86af45a4b7d6db9e67c32750ae353e7e0a28a99d3d6b976c4d7ecc84093e6a34&=&format=webp&width=1350&height=768

who up unleashing the power of they slime?

[twilit canyon]

you'd still play swiftspear and some 2-3 showoffs to have the explosive hands

cut rediscover, side roaring furnace

play 2 abrades and cantrips to properly enable cutter

get lost too this card is so ass

also rip is not great in your deck bc stormchaser's talent is a big part of it

heres a list i dropped from major testing like a week ago cus ive been busy irl

but it should be more or less the mix grindy/aggressive style

not too many bounce elements

if you wanted more, i'd swap down to 3 swiftspears, cut the druids, and play kirin

if going white, i would consider rediscover over stock up

just bc you can in theory bounce stock up

err

rediscover

not stock up

bounce it, for infinite grind more or less

though im happier with green bc green has more solid answers to cutter with heritage and pyp

and questing druid is also very good grind and at enabling cutter

[golden plover]

Maybe I just needed a break from cori (and to main deck abrades)

This felt a lot better this time

And yeah, a big thing that's worked in this deck for me has been bouncing rediscover every time it's about to die

Get Lost feels correct here too because it's a removal spell that gets us all our shit back under lockdown and high noon

I think the goal of this list is marginally different than the standard cori list in a way that might feel more correct with some testing and adapting

Instead of one explosive turn, we're shooting to outvalue them over the course of the game and answer anything they wanna do

[twilit canyon]

get lost should be sided though

at most

the problem with get lost is how awful it is to give the opponent 2 maps

that can be so much power and/or land draw

[golden plover]

It sucks but not removing big threats is worse

Get Lost is there in case no other removal is present or deals with the problem

Turning an overlord or Atraxa or whatever into two maps is MUCH better than putting it back in their hand

And having it means we don't lose to g1 lockdown

[sleek ferry]

Get Lost on the first beanstalk is also such a big tempo swing for you too

[twilit canyon]

domain is really not that big anymore

its not great into a more aggro meta

[sleek ferry]

It’s till present enough

[twilit canyon]

right but even taking a more backseat approach to the list to beat other cori decks, you still have massive aggressive draws to nuke the opponent

[glad peak]

so the guy who spiked the reaver titan price admitted he was wrong and that he spiked the price lmao

[copper pecan]

after playing with [[dragon typhoon]] a few times, it's weird how often it being a dragon comes up

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ytdm/12/dragon-typhoon

Dragon Typhoon <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Kindred Enchantment — Dragon
Whenever you cast a Dragon or noncreature spell, draft a card from Dragon Typhoon's spellbook and put it onto the battlefield.
Channel — , Discard this card: Create a 4/4 red Dragon creature token with flying.

[copper pecan]

i was expecting it to come up a lot less often but it's surprisingly relevant

[twilit canyon]

behold

yeah its a nice card overall

each and every alchemy drop gets better and more creative overall

i've been having a lot of fun with the knuckleblade

and the oasis

works so well with forage

[atomic harness]

Any omenpaths fans in chat @stark skiff

(I don't hate ub anymore because they gave us the SpongeBob lair)

[twilit canyon]

hating ub was a sure sign of a boring person tbh

[sudden lava]

Spongebob as the Atem of 5c commanders is hilarious

[steady onyx]

word

[rigid scarab]

I still hate ub :D

Well not hate

But as a primary edh andy Im not putting them in my decks

[waxen timber]

I would hate UB if they didn't give up on good original characters already.

The War of the Spark novel was one of the trashiest books I've ever read. Throne of Eldraine was a nice story but, it was a last gasp before good story telling died.

[lusty trench]

They had an easy slam dunk in the wanderer and still managed to fumble her

[glad peak]

i heard decent things about the dragonstorm story

[lusty trench]

Honestly had the phyrexians started to invade planes using small phyrexian flying creatures after Jins close call on kamigawa and scouted out more planes and then make the final war a 3 set (initial invasion, phyrexian overtaking some planes, the heroes triumph on Elspeth's return) it probably could've been good

[copper pecan]

i think most of the sets after they went back to web stories had good stories imo

[copper pecan]

people would have hated this

[lusty trench]

The three set thing? Probably

[copper pecan]

a lot of people were sick of the phyrexian arc after ONE, there's no way they'd be okay with it going for another three sets after that

[lusty trench]

One set is no where near enough to showcase a multiplanar war

[copper pecan]

magic's playerbase hates whenever the story spends more than one set on anything

[lusty trench]

Id probably drop ONE and BRO from the story entirely

ONEs story was like

Bad bad

[copper pecan]

hard disagree tbh

[lusty trench]

It's mainly just my issue with karn in that story

Like he's so overwhelmingly stupid in it

[copper pecan]

karn is overwhelmingly stupid all the time

all of the conflicts in both mirrodin blocks were caused either directly or indirectly by him being irresponsible

[lusty trench]

Wasn't it because he delegated all his duties to the memnarch, it then abused it's power and then got oiled?

[copper pecan]

yeah but he shouldn't have delegated things to memnarch in the first place

and it got oiled because of him

[lusty trench]

Like yeah, probably should've checked in more and seen what memnarch was doing but that's not like... Actively walking in on a threat he knows is planar devastating at a minimum on their own turf alone and not telling anyone tier

Like one is lazy the other is just brain dead

[lusty trench]

Going back to this, the scope of the story means this can't really be fixed, so it's either drop the story line, alter it to reduce the scale of the threat, or run the three sets. Otherwise it will just be MOM

Design the three sets to be drafted together, make most of the phyrexians in the second set, and focus more on the residents of the different planes being attacked set 1 and the heroes fighting back set 3 and it'd probably be fine fatigue wise. People survived khan's block they'll live (worse sales tho so no ig)

[copper pecan]

there is zero chance they're gonna design multiple sets to be drafted together again, it caused tons of problems every time they did it and they tried many times. the problems aren't just fatigue. one big issue is that people who don't like the first set of the block wouldn't even try out the second or third

i feel like the best way to handle mom would be to just have the phyrexians invade a handful of planes instead of 50+ all at once

[glad peak]

i wish they did mom like another time spiral where we get a bunch of cards from a bunch of places we've never been

we had a little bit of it but not enough

[sleek ferry]

The phyrexian story was bad the second Kaya solo’d Vorinclex and took 0 damage in the process

It was like “oh, the phyrexians ain’t shit”

The only phyrexian that looked strong was Elesh norn, and even she got her shit rocked

[glad peak]

And atraxa died by looney toons logic of building falling on her head

[stark skiff]

Waiting for the Avatar one. Also marvel just cause I’m a sucker for them

[sudden lava]

imo we need a new acronym for Universes Beyond because the current one also shares initials with 2/5th of the colors

cuz like what do you mean you don't hate dimir anymore? Toxrill is in dimir

[stark skiff]

wtf how can you hate Toxrill

oh wait thats #notmyToxrill

look at him. Toxrill is awesome

word me @atomic harness

[sudden lava]

I'd be more ok with toxrill if all the players used the gary art, but Toxrill still is on some toxic slime. At the very least they shred up large armies of small tokens.

[past socket]

Have a bit of a fun little thing in the works.

[[The Second Doctor]] and Ryan Sinclair (Ryan’s just here for Jeskai Second Doctor)

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/156/the-second-doctor

The Second Doctor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
Players have no maximum hand size.
How Civil of You — At the beginning of your end step, each player may draw a card. Each opponent who does can't attack you or permanents you control during their next turn.
"Well . . . it is a fact, Jamie, that I do tend to get involved."
2/4

[past socket]

Draw bunches of cards + have my friends draw bunches of card = profit

[sudden lava]

group hug?

[past socket]

Ye

[sudden lava]

interesting

[past socket]

Mix of benefitting from drawing with stuff like Alandra and Minn (not sure why Minn is 12 bucks in freedom dolans) and punishments of my opponwnt’s for drawing and having lots of cards in hand

Defo am messing with Heliod the Warped Eclipse in it

[golden plover]

I feel like Cori lists not on Shiko are making a mistake. Shiko triggers cori immediately and gets your cori back if it's removed

[twilit canyon]

only if the meta will be heavy domain

vs other cori decks you are too slow

[golden plover]

I mean, they abrade your cori and you get it back and a 4/5 flying vigilance blocker

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1367904295768555540/image.png?ex=681647a6&is=6814f626&hm=31400b3f7db40e74e798bf5c40cfb696d826015d23ca955782cc8d27858796d6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Monowhite Cloud

[twilit canyon]

that doesnt make a cori token unfort. and they may have already killed you at that point

[hidden ermine]

Thats ... odd

I could see mono-green, but not mono-white tbh

[twilit canyon]

its cus hes a soldier isnt it

theres still soldier synergies in standard rn so

they may want a cloud to play into them

[hidden ermine]

I mean thats the ironic part lmao

[glad peak]

Damn, wotc is really leaning into bad commander player logic aren’t they

“He’s a soldier so he must be mono white and I must add him to every deck that says soldier”

Luckily we have multiple versions of every character for this commander set

[trail anvil]

hey clouds are white

[lusty trench]

Cloud is only really mono white if you don't know him

Like on the surface level

Even then you could argue green

And red

[hidden ermine]

Early Cloud is at least red, lategame Cloud at least green

[copper pecan]

this is probably an uncommon version of cloud like how there were three different frodos in ltr

[golden plover]

Would an uncommon have the full art borderless tho

[copper pecan]

good point

[golden plover]

It's probably at least rare

Which does mean WoTC went "haha soldiers are mono-white. Cloud is a soldier. Mono-white"

I'm sure there's a mythic 3-5c Cloud tho

Gotta have the obligatory 5c commander

[copper pecan]

haven't we already seen the 3 color cloud

[golden plover]

Commander deck one yeah

[hidden ermine]

5C wouldnt make sense

[glad peak]

obviously it wouldn't make sense but commander brain gonna commander

[lusty trench]

Stranger things have happened

[trail anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ9xe6X7kHo

every time I see ob nix in cedh I feel like he's exiled like 30 cards by the end of the game

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1368016562602250240/image0.png?ex=6816b035&is=68155eb5&hm=588d572d1a59f039f4f977c2e1ace071f10da6d2673e68d777a87cbb0169bf12&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1046&height=818

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/FinalFantasyJP/status/1918561163794694580

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🔷統率者デッキ「リミットブレイク」に収録

X · May 3, 2025, 7:00 AM

Tifa Martial Artist
1WRG
Legendary Creature - Human Monk
4/4
Melee
Whenever one or more creatures you control with power 7 or greater deal combat damage to a player, untap all creatures you control.
If it's the first combat phase of your turn, there is an additional combat phase after this phase.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpXPCDoa0AIpeTc?format=jpg&name=large

Alternate Art ^

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1368246779631636603/image.png?ex=6817869d&is=6816351d&hm=bdc606c6d8207b0afc5b778d95a7901c3b1b8e5719e3c767e16a917e559ff62e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=405&height=421

very appropriate username

[copper pecan]

they gave her the italian colors...

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[trail anvil]

we're really in a jeskai meta rn in standard huh

oculus, omniscience and izzet prowess

[twilit canyon]

and control is jeskai too

but yeah red and white are the best 2 colors rn

and green is easily the weakest

[glad peak]

America meta

[sleek ferry]

Pawpatch recruit stonks are up, don’t sleep 📈 📈 📈

[sudden lava]

huh pawpatch recruit is at 3 Dollars?

[sleek ferry]

Good 1 drop when people try to outempo you with cheap targeted removal

[sudden lava]

true

[twilit canyon]

so much for a true jeskai meta

but green is actually ass rn

sultai beans is a solid deck though. crab-tolarian terror are enough to win games in this format

[golden plover]

I dunno how you got this screenshot since that's not the final results

This is the final results

Much more Jeskai and not a single deck that didn't have blue in it

[trail anvil]

orzhov pixie

[glad peak]

1 is for RCQ and the other is for RC, they’re different events

[golden plover]

Oh I see

Yeah mixed up the events

Tons of Jeskai in both for sure tho

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcing-pioneer

[trail anvil]

it feels like they're just renaming it really, but some of these cards are nice to have on arena

[golden plover]

They continue to do the bare minimum for pioneer and wonder why it's a dead format

At least it's got the right name now ig

[copper pecan]

tbh i've only ever seen people talk about pioneer in the context of complaining about it

so i can't say i'm particularly excited for this given that i've pretty much never seen anyone say anything positive about it

[golden plover]

Pioneer is really close to being a very open format rn

It's a very solid meta (provided red and Rakdos get a hit somewhere)

But it's gotten basically no official support since announcement

[sudden lava]

Damn we're only 5 days till spoiler season

[golden plover]

And so it's continuing to struggle because they're just letting it sit there unloved when a few bans and some events would make it the most fun competitive format ngl

[copper pecan]

i can't say i'm surprised it hasn't gotten a ton of support, the whole premise doesn't seem particularly appealing. people who want a non-rotating format will probably just play modern instead since it has a larger card pool, and people who don't want that would just play standard or alchemy

arena players didn't give a shit about explorer because its only selling point over historic was that it's paper-accurate, and that just isn't something that arena players care about for the most part. i don't think pioneer will be very different in that regard

[golden plover]

I mean the idea is that it's modern but cheaper and less powerful now

It did lead to a lot of fun decks you wouldn't see elsewhere

And it felt really good to play

It's just kinda dead because they're not doing anything with it

And now it's got the mouse problem too

[twilit canyon]

rakdos charm

warping wail also helps eldrazi in historic/timeless

[golden plover]

Borborygmus Enraged does add the final playable pioneer missing card at least

There's like 3000 unplayable draft commons not in arena but who gives a shit about those

[twilit canyon]

unfortunately, you'd be surprised

[glad peak]

I wish borb was still playable

[golden plover]

He's a 1-off in creativity

[glad peak]

I thought he was swapped for valg

[golden plover]

They do different things so the deck usually runs one of both

Or sides him

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/design-files-urzas-destiny-part-3

some of the designs in this are really interesting

splendor in the grass reminds me a lot of nurturing pixie

Splendor in the Grass 1G
Instant
Cycling: Return a creature you control to your hand.
Prevent all combat damage to creatures you control this turn.

[glad peak]

I haven’t seen borg ever since valg came out 🤷‍♂️

[copper pecan]

what do people use borb for in pioneer?

[copper pecan]

how it feels casting [[opulent imitations]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “opulent imitations”

[copper pecan]

[[ornate imitations]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydft/23/ornate-imitations

Ornate Imitations <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
For each number between 1 and X, conjure a duplicate of a random creature card with that mana value onto the battlefield. X can't be 0.

[zinc shard]

Yeahhh I love Momir

[copper pecan]

ornate imitations is legit a really fun card

[twilit canyon]

ornate imitations my goat

too bad alchemy is kind of unplayable atm thanks to the chorus + steel cutter decks

[trail anvil]

the cards they gave jeskai (izzet) in tarkir alchemy looked genuinely insane on top of cutter already being cracked

[gritty nest]

Pioneer is ravnica forward right?

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/festival-in-a-box?utm_source=crm_newsletter&utm_medium=email_announcement-A-eng-na-en-us-ca&utm_campaign=festival-in-a-box-las-vegas-2025

[sudden lava]

All you can eat is pretty silly if you have a way to make eating food free

[golden plover]

Just won a miserable 30 minute match against 5c lifegain. Maybe some people shouldn't be allowed to cook decks.

[golden plover]

How the fuck are you seeing the timer every turn in mono red

They had 10 minutes on the clock when they finally died

[trail anvil]

spelunking is a good card 🙂

and so are nissa and nykthos

[past socket]

Green/10

[zinc shard]

Shantotto, the Radical Lady

Legendary Creature - Dwarf Wizard

Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, it gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast that spell. If X is 4 or greater, draw a card.

[copper pecan]

kind of surprised the falafels aren't halflings

[fallow citrus]

falafels...

[copper pecan]

yes autocorrect, i definitely meant falafels

very helpful

[barren cairn]

I love when my mom cooks those

[golden plover]

God I love this interaction

It feels like cheating

I know why it works, but it feels like it shouldn't be allowed to

Do note that when doing it on arena you have to enter full control (which can theoretically reveal you're doing it). And when doing it in person you're gonna get judge called

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1369759896559423610/cachedImage.png?ex=681d07d0&is=681bb650&hm=162d32cba48f9823f4bde0b0fc4f8dbd0257bc0278967a7326e9d1f24d6d28ca&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=654&height=818

[glad peak]

Welp yet another commander card

Is this in the main set? Because if it is then that’s a shitty thing to do

[golden plover]

This feels like it shouldn't be in the main set yeah

Love my main set rare having an effect that doesn't do anything in standard or limited

[glad peak]

Yeah, commander ruining magic is really coming to light in this one specifically isn’t it

[sudden lava]

FIN = Main set

[glad peak]

Because at least for other cards in main sets they at least have the deniability of “we thought it was a fun limited build around”

[golden plover]

Honestly it's partially because of the way they do UB stuff. Gotta get the UB crowd to double dip and not get everything from the commander precons

And they know that the vast majority of these cards are only gonna be playable in commander

So I expect UB standard sets to be bogged down with way more commander cards

Also this goes against their excuse of "rarity is because of limited"

Because we get -2/-2 sweepers in limited at uncommon

[glad peak]

I sure love my unplayable pack 1 rare

[golden plover]

There's gonna be a lot of those in this set is seems

[copper pecan]

what do you mean unplayable, this is a 5 mana 8/8 flier that's also removal

that's great in limited

[golden plover]

Ohh he's in the main set because the commander precons don't have DFCs

Which still feels like an excuse

[sleek ferry]

Board wipe*

Technically

[golden plover]

Surely they can just put DFCs in a precon if they want to

[copper pecan]

dfcs have to be printed on a separate sheet so it would cost a lot more to do that

[golden plover]

I don't know super high end commercial printing, but I've don't commercial printing prior (worked for a graphic design firm). With how much they're making per set, it doesn't seem like it'd be a big loss to just have the separate sheet

Surely each precon is its own sheet as is, no?

Otherwise stuff like the Nissa thing wouldn't happen

[glad peak]

It’s a 5 mana 4/4 that may kill a couple things but never the thing that it needs to transform

[golden plover]

I very rarely expect it to transform in standard yeah

Almost never in limited

[glad peak]

If it can transform, sure it’s a pretty good bomb but getting there is honestly pretty hard

Depending on the boardstate it’s effectively 5 mana 4/4 unblockable and pyroclasm that doesn’t hurt itself and 1 of the opponent’s creatures

[golden plover]

Actually I feel like you never wanna flip him in commander no? Since it'd just make all your opponents team up against you

Flipping him makes it into a 3v1

[glad peak]

You just focus on one guy the entire game and hold up a removal spell

Play the guy, and on the attack that would be able to kill your target, use the removal spell on the creature to transform it and win the game

Of course it’s a ton of steps but commander players much prefer that

[past socket]

Become peak hater

[golden plover]

Also imagine killing an opponent but he gets killed in the swing and the trigger doesnt happen

[glad peak]

Probably likely to happen

But remember, removal is cheating if someone does it to me

You’re not letting me do my deck’s thing

[golden plover]

Now I wanna make an insufferable bracket 2 [[Ramses, Assassin Lord]] deck to punish "removal is cheating" lol

[glad peak]

Tbh this is just more explicit in the realm of doing your thing means winning the game, pretty much every other deck is the same way

[golden plover]

True. I remember people freaking the fuck out about him tho

[glad peak]

Ramses had an issue with collusion and tactically conceding

[golden plover]

Yeah, that does suck for Ramses

The player getting attacked will just scoop

[past socket]

Forgot the take of “Some Commander players would be better off playing Solitaire”

[glad peak]

nah, competitive solitaire is actually hype

actually solitaire is a very good analogy

[golden plover]

They'd be better off playing a co-op game ngl

[glad peak]

casual solitaire is pretty boring, competitive solitaire is hype, just like commander

[zinc shard]

Bruh why are there 3 different Soul Sisters at common

[golden plover]

How are they gonna win lol

[zinc shard]

they didnt

[copper pecan]

how kefkaesque

[sudden lava]

Might build Monoblack Sephiroth or Monowhite cloud depending on how expensive they are and what they do

[gritty nest]

Don’t the commander cards have a different set symbol?

[sudden lava]

yes

FIN is mainset
FIC is commander product

[zinc shard]

whoa Stock Up is $10? I gotta check my box]

[sudden lava]

Your semi-reveals

[hidden ermine]

Again, White Cloud in the part of the story where he is very much so not White

The others make sense though

[sudden lava]

Looks like I am also making a monogreen deck

https://tenor.com/view/tifa-gif-5931614348390722356

inb4 card text contains the word fight

or double strike

[zinc shard]

https://x.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1920493992007090259

FINAL FANTASY XIV (@FF_XIV_EN) on X

Even further Magic: The Gathering—Final Fantasy previews, perhaps? 🔎

X · May 8, 2025, 3:00 PM

[hidden ermine]

Really weird that they can't get Clouds colour right

[fallow citrus]

Tifa's should have been Naya for the italian flag

[hidden ermine]

We already got a Naya Tifa

[fallow citrus]

oh did we lmao

[hidden ermine]

Yep

[fallow citrus]

I forgor

[rigid scarab]

Can this give 3 additional combats if 3 players are hit with a 7+ creature

[hidden ermine]

I dont think so?

[rigid scarab]

Moraug gives you multiple extra combats if multiple lands enter though no?

[hidden ermine]

🤷

Idk

[[Moraug]]

[Moraug]

... how the fuck did Scryfall work

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/150/moraug-fury-of-akoum

Moraug, Fury of Akoum <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Minotaur Warrior
Each creature you control gets +1/+0 for each time it has attacked this turn.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, if it's your main phase, there's an additional combat phase after this phase. At the beginning of that combat, untap all creatures you control.
6/6

[hidden ermine]

Oh thats different wording though

Its whenever a land you control enters, not whenever one or more lands you control enter

[rigid scarab]

Yeah but Tifa works on a per-player basis

[sudden lava]

commander deck has Italian Tifa

[rigid scarab]

So if I hit 3 players

[sudden lava]

It can

Heck with the right set up this can even give you 12 bonus combat phases

[rigid scarab]

Oh with like double strike n shit right

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1365145201592635513/image.png?ex=681e0a4b&is=681cb8cb&hm=080fe02792b00804a0d98fbd9abdabdcf410915138279793bb09a5c831824296&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Yes with double strike on each you can get 6

additionally cards like [roaming throne] and [annie joins up]

[hidden ermine]

Hm

I guess this sorta makes sense

Would also fit with her Limit Break

[sudden lava]

[[annie joins up]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/191/annie-joins-up

Annie Joins Up <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment
When Annie Joins Up enters, it deals 5 damage to target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls.
If a triggered ability of a legendary creature you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
One last job, then she could retire in peace.

[rigid scarab]

Ok tbf

If your opponents are letting you set up Tifa

Annie

Throne

And 3 double strike creatures

Which probably also need trample

[sudden lava]

they deserve the swiftest of finishers done on their face ye

and its over kill at that point, you dont need like 12 combats

Just options

[fallow citrus]

[zinc shard]

[glad peak]

I don’t want a card of him but I want a card of the catgirl behind him

[trail anvil]

now why is this one in the commander set

[glad peak]

Wait hol up it is

What are wizards doing

[sudden lava]

it's to synergize with yshtola

[glad peak]

This is a perfectly functional standard and draft card, why force it into commander only where it’s doomed to never do anything

[twilit canyon]

that is really dumb

are they so scared of a technically endless 3 mana 2/2?

[sudden lava]

oh by control they mean attrition

but yeah this detective aint it

[trail anvil]

I mean clearly not when they printed one in golgari

[twilit canyon]

green privilige

its a 3/2 with trample at 2 and it draws a card for 2

its not legendary too

so thats pure upside

[trail anvil]

oh yeah this doesn't even work in multiples lmao

this is a dogwater commander too

[glad peak]

They really mixed up the commander and non-commander files in this set, didnt they

[sudden lava]

the DFC you are referring to never would've been in the precons anyways

[glad peak]

No, I mean in general

And also why wouldn’t it? Not every card needs to have synergy with the main commander

[sudden lava]

They dont print DFCs in precons

[glad peak]

Doesn’t mean that they can’t start

I know the usual argument is that it costs them more money but they’ve done sets with 1 dfc, they know how to make it cost effective

[trail anvil]

I think the bigger part is they want it to be playable out of the box without sleeves

[copper pecan]

they did that once and consider it to have been a huge mistake

they're not gonna do it again

[glad peak]

It’s still playable out the box without sleeves

You play the checkbox card they would need to add

[hidden ermine]

Non alt art is unironically way better for Yuna

[sudden lava]

other art

[trail anvil]

g'raha looks like it gets out of hand quickly

[sudden lava]

note this with token doublers gives counters to both

like pretty sure

[glad peak]

I actually like tia

Token doublers are useless with him tbh

But more specifically, you can play hard control and get decent bodies for board presence, which was good enough to let lord of nazgul to be fringe playable and tia is just better other than the life cost and once per turn

Life totals usually don’t matter but stacking it with ad naus or pita is rough

[sudden lava]

oh it wouldnt put counters on both?

[gritty nest]

In that story I can sorta see white, but maybe not mono colored

[gritty nest]

Is the second combat your first combat of the turn?

after reading more I get what you mean

~~the answer is no ~~

[gritty nest]

I assume it works, token doublers work with [[!Gimbal, Gremlin Prodigy]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/3/gimbal-gremlin-prodigy

Gimbal, Gremlin Prodigy

[glad peak]

It works but I’m saying it’s not worth it mana and impact wise

[glad peak]

Yes

[gritty nest]

Yeah I was wrong with that one

I misread tifa like a dunce

Too busy thinking of the Italy meme

[glad peak]

Tbf the wording on her is a bit odd

The Italy bit of her is hilarious though

[gritty nest]

The art or what I said?

[past socket]

My brain just keeps wondering whether or not making her Cabaretti was intentional with that bit or just coincidence

[trail anvil]

guys do you think we've brought up the italian senate tifa meme enough yet

[past socket]

never

[copper pecan]

i'm still disappointed that nobody in new capenna said "ayy i'm planeswalkin' here!"

[past socket]

Reminds me that I’m adding the Capenna Panoramas that get Forests (at least until I can get the regular fetches)

for Green Loot

[glad peak]

Tbh I’m surprised people haven’t posted the tifa meme with art en masse on Reddit

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/where-to-find-final-fantasy-previews

odd, only one place for the commander reveals

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1920916732421767262

FINAL FANTASY XIV (@FF_XIV_EN) on X

Did you guess correctly 👀?

We're excited to show you a preview of this Dark Confidant card with an Ascian twist as it will appear in Magic: The Gathering—Final Fantasy: https://t.co/oOu9H3SMQJ

#MTGxFINALFANTASY

X · May 9, 2025, 7:00 PM

[copper pecan]

oh wow

that's probably big for standard

[glad peak]

huh, bob

[subtle sierra]

black 2 mana draw 👁️

[lusty trench]

Am I right in saying this is probably too slow to matter in standard?

[copper pecan]

i disagree

i feel like this is probably good enough to see play

[glad peak]

bob is pretty good but the biggest factor here is the meta

[lusty trench]

I just feel like it's such an easy body to remove, you have to wait until your next upkeep and you're taking damage in a cori meta

[glad peak]

very bad against rdw

being a body to remove isn't too bad but the problem here vs aggro is the life loss from the cost of your answers

[lusty trench]

It's definitely an interesting include

[trail anvil]

at best I feel like it could go into sideboards?

but yeah vs rdw and izzet you're suffering

even vs slower decks it gets removed by lockdown

[sudden lava]

My Annie Joins Up just arrived in the mail, lets hecking go

[glad peak]

vs slower decks it forces lockdown and if they don't lockdown then you get relatively free draws

and if they lockdown they they go down in mana

[twilit canyon]

unplayable i fear

[copper pecan]

[golden plover]

Yeah I dunno . I think Bob is mid as hell in standard

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1370491247709524078/GqiFSjubUAAaykJ.png?ex=681fb0ef&is=681e5f6f&hm=a5536b9c90527f6eccf9e65443810746d7bb9e2b3da90f8c19375e0636d6934b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=930&height=930

super weird card

[glad peak]

Huh, a second end step?

Double blink on her own which is nice but I wonder what you can do with a second end step

[fallow citrus]

lmao

[sudden lava]

Blink Cat

[fallow citrus]

her blinking is perfect with how many times she dips in and out of the lifestream

[fallow citrus]

ascian bob is also sick

the full art looks even cooler

[past socket]

More blink kitties

[trail anvil]

this feels like the full throttle of conjurer's closets

I wonder what fun stuff you can do with 2 end steps

[glad peak]

i need to check the wording on [[conjurer's closets]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/259/conjurers-closet

Conjurer's Closet <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, you may exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under your control.
"Tomorrow wears yesterday's face." —Kordel the Cryptic

[glad peak]

eh it's only 4 blinks with those 2 together

[trail anvil]

I meant that she does that twice like full throttle. the most obvious synergy is probably monarch

or [[agent of treachery]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/43/agent-of-treachery

Agent of Treachery <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Rogue
When this creature enters, gain control of target permanent.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control three or more permanents you don't own, draw three cards.
"The more secrets you have, the more easily you become my pawn."
2/3

[copper pecan]

https://hypebeast.com/2025/5/final-fantasy-magic-the-gathering-sephiroth-atraxa-card

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1370768775736987738/https___hypebeast.com_image_2025_05_09_final-fantasy-magic-the-gathering-sephiroth-atraxa-card-3.avif?ex=6820b367&is=681f61e7&hm=afb70c648708ba4f23c6805eacedcf32cdba276b5d2ff657a713b6f1b3305b3a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=534&height=800
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1370768775351238796/https___hypebeast.com_image_2025_05_09_final-fantasy-magic-the-gathering-sephiroth-atraxa-card-4.avif?ex=6820b367&is=681f61e7&hm=5c72f15545464f5232d701a3f647b335a44d78cccc101bf79f5c4f2dab8ed9b5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=534&height=800

[stark skiff]

lol nice touch on the SR

[rigid scarab]

Cloud in the exact same pose in both arts

I like that

He literally hit them with the

[sudden lava]

Wait if this is a commander precon card, what determines which copy of secret rendevous we get?

[copper pecan]

we don't know

[sudden lava]

cuz yeah I run it in my grouphug deck and would love to get a Tifa version (though hard to say which version I like more, original or Tifa)

[copper pecan]

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

reveal stream live in like 2 minutes

[lusty trench]

Is this the first ability like that in black?

bird tribal
green

That's a lot of words for bad, but it's fun so people will make a commander

Fun

[subtle sierra]

is this the first saga creature?

[golden plover]

This is a problem card lol

Well it enables cori to be one

[twilit canyon]

nope

[twilit canyon]

nope

[subtle sierra]

word of the day

[golden plover]

It's probably fine I just don't trust it in coris standard

[twilit canyon]

huatli was a creature that turned into a saga

back in the new ixalan

[subtle sierra]

poet of unity?

but that's a creature that turns into a saga

[twilit canyon]

and firion is a 3 mana do nothing on your cori turn. cori comes in before or after so you are intentionally slow-rolling it for a mid synergy

[subtle sierra]

this time the saga is literally a creature too

[twilit canyon]

ogh

i thought u said

yeah okay no yeah its the new mechanic of ff

we get actual saga creatures

[subtle sierra]

yeah i thought it's the first time i see this

[twilit canyon]

they revealed one prior

but yeah

[subtle sierra]

oh

[twilit canyon]

[[summon shiva]]

[subtle sierra]

i didn't follow everythign

[twilit canyon]

iirc?

[subtle sierra]

i'll find it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/78/summon:-shiva

Summon: Shiva <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Saga Elemental
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I, II — Heavenly Strike — Tap target creature an opponent controls. Put a stun counter on it. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
III — Diamond Dust — Draw a card for each tapped creature your opponents control.
"Let us summon a sea in a new dream world."
4/5

[twilit canyon]

its just outright a saga creature

ah there we go

[subtle sierra]

oh crazy

kinda crazy that it just kills itself later

[twilit canyon]

its a cool design space for temp creatures imo

they used to do stuff with fading, or phasing or whatnkt

but it always worked poorly with other mechanics

or themselves sucked

being a saga + creature can open up a lot of room for power and/or value

fun to note: saga is still not a creature type

so you cant name it with cavern of souls

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1370811579112882279/image.png?ex=6820db44&is=681f89c4&hm=ae553525bc8ed896173c9b95d2c9f979e9de2cc086420fde13d8c81c9bafbaf7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1489&height=800

[stark skiff]

Yawn another sac outlet

[twilit canyon]

mayybe enough for a sac deck in standard but what a time to be a 3 mana 3/3

4x lightning helix in a regional winning decklist

abrade popular

tough...

[fallow citrus]

is this the first adventure land

[copper pecan]

[[value town]] real...

[twilit canyon]

ye