Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

I still remember the 1-2 punch in the Foundations Livestream

"Hey we're bringing back MSRP (universally a good thing)"

"Oh and 50% of sets moving forward are UB (mixed thing, feels bad and creatively bankrupt)"

"Oh AND they're standard legal (universally bad thing)"

[ornate cedar]

I think Magic may be subsidizing losses from other products in Hasbro’s wheelhouse

[golden plover]

Oh we KNOW that's what they're doing

It's just coming at the cost of the game's long term health

Sure FF will beat out LoTR for best selling set of all time

[ornate cedar]

Yeah, it turns me off and I’m just a noob

[golden plover]

But eventually there's gonna be diminishing returns on these

[ornate cedar]

I can only imagine how it feels for long term fans

[golden plover]

And it feels like there's not much faith in their own game if 50% of it isn't even their own game moving forward

[ornate cedar]

Also, not every property has the strength of LOTR, some of which we’ve already seen with Ass Creed

As time goes on, there will be fewer good IP to pull from

Or at least that appeal to Magic players

[golden plover]

Yeah, FF and stuff are good picks with a lot of fans

But they can't all be that

[ornate cedar]

It’s like sequalitis

As time goes on, they run out of ideas without new perspectives that offer newer quality ideas

[golden plover]

Honestly a sick part of me wants them to hit critical mass and run out of ideas so we can get shit like "Universes Beyond: F.R.I.E.N.D.S."

[ornate cedar]

But it’s also hard to recognize that with taste being subjective, and with having to reconcile with shareholders

[ornate cedar]

Ugh, I could see it, but I hate it even as a fan of Friends

[golden plover]

2029's tent pole standard release is "Universes Beyond: Real Housewives"

[twilit canyon]

i know you know thats not gonna be a thing

[glad peak]

Yet

[ornate cedar]

Definitely not that inane

But I could see something like Hunger Games in a few years

Or something that is equally B- or C-list level IP in terms of popularity

[trail anvil]

I don't think hunger games has enough popularity as a franchise

[gritty nest]

honestly

i like UBs for the fact of it brings other IPs to the game

i get why theyre disliked fully though, and I hate the idea that theyre going to be standard legal

[past socket]

Love them for the art. I am a bit biased as Fallout was what made me finally the plunge on playing Magic physically, even if it was Commander

[gritty nest]

yeah, for fun formats or just reskins of in universe cards, UB is awesome. Not standard legal, or mechanically unique (especially mechanically unique secret lairs, fuck walking dead.) sets

[copper pecan]

you really gotta stop making up ridiculous hypotheticals to preemptively get mad at

[steady onyx]

i would absolutely LOVE a yugioh UB

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/11681258/daughter_of_darkness started working on this thing. Gotta make cuts and cut the worse of the best out

[steady onyx]

is this the ball lighting deck?

or nah

[gritty nest]

[[Act of Treason]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/99/act-of-treason

Act of Treason <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. (It can attack and this turn.)
Seen through Rakdos eyes, a cruel betrayal is a hilarious stunt.

[gritty nest]

steal your stuff, punch you with it

then sacrifice it to the greater gods for a dragon

[steady onyx]

ah sure

the red dragon one i was trying with shadowheart

was the whole like ball lightinng shit

haste big assholes

that are cheap

u play attack sack and create dragons ep

and mega draws

[gritty nest]

ah

[steady onyx]

but thats also rly cool

like stealing and sacking

[gritty nest]

yes

[glad peak]

My favorite card for that type of deck is [[humble defector]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/170/humble-defector

Humble Defector <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Rogue
: Draw two cards. Target opponent gains control of this creature. Activate only during your turn.
"You were once Mardu, so your body and will are strong. Now we must train your mind." —Houn, Jeskai elder
2/1

[glad peak]

Also using treason effects to make shadowheart have haste

[gritty nest]

true

im thinking of cutting all of the non repeatable/not the best 5CMC+ thefts

keeping stuff like Act of Aggression because it can be a 3 drop instant theft, mass mutiny because it hits everyone, sauron since he buffs and drains, and firbolg flutist because whatever he steals gets Myriad

[steady onyx]

@glad peak question since u seem to me knowledageble about pauper, whgats another cheap pauper deck i can pick up that plays well with mono blue fairies

to either play against myself or for friends

[glad peak]

It’s been a while so I’m not the best person to ask lol

[steady onyx]

ah ok

[glad peak]

My favorite matchup was boros bully vs mono u faeries but it’s very bully oriented

I know gardens took over that niche but I’m not sure how that matchup plays

[steady onyx]

howbout some like orzhov deck

is the matchup super favoured in one direction

[glad peak]

It depends on the list and the strat

[steady onyx]

like the hawk blade shit

[glad peak]

Pestilence can stomp faeries if you don’t know what to do

Orzhov blade is similar to bully but I don’t think it’s any good

Since the good thing about bully is that you make tokens and get a bunch of advantage to try and outgrind faeries but you can also get very cheap flyers whose downsides are upsides

[steady onyx]

howbout dredge/

[glad peak]

I don’t really like combo decks when it comes to playing with friends

I really like tortex though

Not a good deck anymore though

[steady onyx]

i dont think this is dredge combo

but idk

is dredge in of itself combo

since u are trying to like mill shit then play for cheap?

[glad peak]

I don’t remember any dredge deck that wasn’t combo tbh except tortex

[steady onyx]

or is the combo like loleth giant

after milling deck

[glad peak]

Loleth giant with spy mostly

I like tortex because you do dredge but also get a toolbox deck

[steady onyx]

hmm

what about elves?

[glad peak]

Elves is very feast or famine, I don’t think you’d want that experience for lots of repeated games with 1 matchup most times

[gritty nest]

should I run Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat/Vengeful Bloodwitch in a deck all about dealing damage specifically, but still does a lot of sacrificing?

[glad peak]

There was one with loses a life so probably not that one

[gritty nest]

Wym

[gritty nest]

They all three say “X loses 1 life, you gain 1 life.”

[steady onyx]

ok

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/11681258/daughter_of_darkness anyone mind helping me cut the last 6 cards out of this deck please?

[trail anvil]

sauron seems overcosted for what you want it for imo

[gritty nest]

finally gets it to 100 cards

"heres a thing you can do"

lmao

[trail anvil]

well hey, maybe you can move a card in the maybeboard in lol

[gritty nest]

maybe, i know sauron is a one time theft, but i like the buff and drain

idk how much actual damage my current version of the deck will do

[zinc shard]

Found a Tergrid in my bulk. Do I sell it, or make a deck with it?

[urban crane]

Do you want to make a deck with it?

[zinc shard]

maybe, i wanna eventually make a deck of each color combination

[urban crane]

I mean it’s mono black

[trail anvil]

mono black has much more fun commanders

[sleek ferry]

Tergrid does have the downside of making you a target though

[urban crane]

That’s I feel is subjective

[trail anvil]

I think it's as close to objective as possible in this scenario I'm ngl. but sure, you as the tergrid player can have fun while your table suffers

[glad peak]

It is subjective but fact that you’ll be targeted for playing the deck is objective

It’s one of those decks where you pop off because your commander lives or you do nothing because your commander got targeted

[trail anvil]

or you just throw a bunch of sacrifice and discard effects anyways and the table hates you for a different reason

honestly taking some of the most hated effects and pairing them with another extremely hated effect in the command zone is kinda impressive if you think about it

[sudden lava]

Note the "Spring Flourishes" is where you can get the D&D Honor Among Thieves reprint

[zinc shard]

Alchemy Changes

[copper pecan]

these seem like pretty reasonable changes

etherimik is still probably doodoo though

[twilit canyon]

i think hes always been p alright just had no real home

now he may be really strong but again probs no shell for him

[trail anvil]

my brawl decks are taking so many stray hits

etherimik being actually blinkable sounds pretty poggers

[glad peak]

So my friend is building torbran aggro, does he:
add manabarbs/burning earth
Add ruination/blood moon/similar cards
Or all of the above?

I say punish the greedy manabases

[trail anvil]

doesn't that depend on his play group

[glad peak]

Then definitely punish the greedy manabases

We got a guy who unironically plays all the duals and fetches and some staples alongside a meh but playable strat and keeps trying to say his decks are bad

[trail anvil]

lul

[zinc shard]

Managed to pick up 3 of the 4 fallout precons, just need Dog meat

[glad peak]

i'm sort of tempted to make lantern control just so i can play ensnaring bridge + cactuar

[ornate cedar]

I want to make a Cactuar deck some how viable for the lulz

[past socket]

Could do Jarad or The Mimeoplasm for Fling funnies

[glad peak]

Stax with ensnaring bridge would be the most consistent way

[past socket]

Woe, Cactaur be upon ye

[trail anvil]

how did I live before portal to phyrexia

this card is crack cocaine

[gritty nest]

[[Portal to Phyrexia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/240/portal-to-phyrexia

Portal to Phyrexia <:mana9:292901508826005504>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, each opponent sacrifices three creatures of their choice.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It's a Phyrexian in addition to its other types.
After five thousand years, the nightmare returned.

[gritty nest]

what the hell

[trail anvil]

the 9 mana artifact

[gritty nest]

yes

[trail anvil]

even more hilarious in a 4p format

ye ik sorry I was using it like that barnacle boy meme

[gritty nest]

my what the hell was "what the hell that does everything"

[polar lake]

https://moxfield.com/decks/loVlHMLIl0mwDgsH2SOoSw

[trail anvil]

lonis is very poggers, building them too

[polar lake]

mine is just a complete lock on the game lol

[gritty nest]

i heard of a very funny idea, but itll probably put in too much work, [[Commissar Severina Rain]] + Hare Apparent

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/112★/commissar-severina-raine

Commissar Severina Raine <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Leading from the Front — Whenever Commissar Severina Raine attacks, each opponent loses X life, where X is the number of other attacking creatures.
Summary Execution — , Sacrifice another creature: You gain 2 life and draw a card.
2/2

[gritty nest]

sad you can't run [[!Lobotomy]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/inv/255/lobotomy

Lobotomy

[polar lake]

i have a different version of lantern contril with [[circu, dimir lobotomist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rav/196/circu-dimir-lobotomist

Circu, Dimir Lobotomist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast a blue spell, exile the top card of target player's library.
Whenever you cast a black spell, exile the top card of target player's library.
Your opponents can't cast spells with the same name as a card exiled with Circu.
2/3

[gritty nest]

question for you guys. My friend and I had a dumb idea to use ChatGPT to make a deck, and were debating between [[Neera, Wild Mage]] and [[Cult of Skaro]], who should we use?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/288/neera-wild-mage

Neera, Wild Mage <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Shaman
Whenever you cast a spell, you may put it on the bottom of its owner's library. If you do, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all revealed cards not cast this way on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn.
2/7

https://scryfall.com/card/who/117/cult-of-skaro

Cult of Skaro <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Dalek
Whenever Cult of Skaro attacks, choose one at random —
• Thay — Put a +1/+1 counter on each artifact creature you control.
• Caan — Draw two cards.
• Sec — Create a 3/3 black Dalek artifact creature token with menace.
• Jast — Each opponent loses 4 life.
4/4

[trail anvil]

probably skaro

goes better with chaos

[gritty nest]

fair point, i was thinking just generic grixis artifacts

[sudden lava]

Neera

[gritty nest]

everyone has said both pretty evenly

if it helps, this is the original idea

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[glad peak]

Neera with stuff like tibalt's trickery and scrambleverse

[gritty nest]

oh god

[past socket]

[[Mr House, President & CEO]] or no guts, coward /j

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/949/mr-house-president-and-ceo

Mr. House, President and CEO <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Human
Whenever you roll a 4 or higher, create a 3/3 colorless Robot artifact creature token. If you rolled 6 or higher, instead create that token and a Treasure token.
, : Roll a six-sided die plus an additional six-sided die for each mana from Treasures spent to activate this ability.
0/4

[gritty nest]

id get hated out of the shop

i built mr house

he dumb

[past socket]

Let’s go gambling!

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/kvKQgCDkmUmkQ1kjpJwAPg

[glad peak]

you say that and yet you're not brave enough to play neera scramble gambling

[past socket]

Bobbleheads is just based, flavour wise

Imagine if there were playable (in Mr House) snowglobes

[gritty nest]

that would be funny

i added the bobbleheads purely for [[Luck Bobblehead]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/135/luck-bobblehead

Luck Bobblehead <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Bobblehead
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Roll X six-sided dice, where X is the number of Bobbleheads you control. Create a tapped Treasure token for each even result. If you rolled 6 exactly seven times, you win the game.

[gritty nest]

Lets go gambling

[stark skiff]

So nice in a Di Vinci deck since it’s free lmao

[urban crane]

I have a take zo-zu is fair magic

[glad peak]

That’s a very cold take

Tbh all of the punisher cards are fair

[urban crane]

I never said it was hot

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/tarkir-dragonstorm-episode-2-omens

https://media.wizards.com/2025/tdm/en_207bb686b3.webp

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/_xWvS1bjQEiab72E3D9RFQ

"build me a $100 USD neera wild mage deck"

[glad peak]

tbh not too bad

looks like a deck someone who only really played precons and bad decks would make and that's the majority of magic players

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/11724206/wild_magic_surge

here's the version I made

[glad peak]

doesnt seem too different

has the kitten combo which is a lot better than the AI deck of course

[golden plover]

Ever since the fucking Pro Tour event every deck on Arena ladder is an overlord value pile. They gotta ban Up the Beanstalk, sick of that fucking card

Dammit, why's the banlist gotta be the 31st. I don't wanna play against overlords for 27 more days

[zinc shard]

didnt realize the commanders from the Aetherdrift Precons were on Arena

[sleek ferry]

I think I’ve peaked with what I can do to make this deck better, but if you have any recommendations, lmk

[twilit canyon]

a better deck tbh

im ngl this looks like a worse version of other good decks

[sleek ferry]

Well yeah, the point was to see how good I could make a max speed deck

[twilit canyon]

i think at that point, you could have rather done goblins

[glad peak]

I just noticed how good samut is for hatebears stax but combining the two just isn’t good

[golden plover]

I swear that fucking Zur gives the enchantments a new ability or reduces the cost every time I read it? Deathtouch, Lifelink, and Hexproof for 2 mana? Fucked up

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQR6AJqsq0E&t=697s&ab_channel=Cardmarket-Magic

[sleek ferry]

Very anticlimactic but expected outcome

[copper pecan]

i've been playing with this card and it's so much stronger than i thought it would be. even at x=3 it's pretty good value

[zinc shard]

card singlehandedly won me a game in the Into The Future event

Oh lord just saw this

[zinc shard]

after about an hour got 1 win

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/oztxei1kk4ne1.png?auto=webp&s=1b7bd73abc63eebeb961d5e2218858052b1b54e3

@lusty trench

[lusty trench]

you can't say this when nahiri exists man

Me when I place rocks and then almost genocide an entire plane

[broken fjord]

There's always room for one more fraud.

[golden plover]

Nahiri at least got shit done before they made her racist and stupid

[past socket]

I don’t know if I’m just losing my mind from a long week and being tired but like

Something’s off about the art of Door to Nothingness

Though love the Monty Python Secret Lair art though

[golden plover]

Nah the classic joke is that it's goatse

[past socket]

So I’m not losing my mind

Thank fuck

It’s the hands especially

[trail anvil]

saw someone play esper [[cursecloth wrappings]], shame I was playing azorius control cause that deck was really cool

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/81/cursecloth-wrappings

Cursecloth Wrappings <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Artifact
Zombies you control get +1/+1.
: Target creature card in your graveyard gains embalm until end of turn. The embalm cost is equal to its mana cost. (Exile that card and pay its embalm cost: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie in addition to its other types and has no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery.)

[trail anvil]

gisa the hellraiser created a ton of bodies, anthemed zombies even harder. they had collector's vault for looting and kambal to drain on token etb too

[urban crane]

Got some stuff

[zinc shard]

damn was the Sparky Birthday thing only 1 day?

[golden plover]

Just got to do the Hashaton LED Thoracle line in Cedh. Felt good

[copper pecan]

is your birthday multiple days?

[zinc shard]

Was hoping the event would be a week thing, didn't get a chance to do it yesterday

[trail anvil]

I get it tbh, a birthday is only one day but they could've made the event last a couple of days like MWM

[urban crane]

Pickups from yesterday

Also debating who to build a deck with first between these 2

[glad peak]

Def not lathril

[urban crane]

Why not

[glad peak]

That’s the most common deck people build first and it quickly grows old even for new players

Elf kindred (most kindred decks tbh) are like that

At least with ezio you can play 5c free spells

[barren cairn]

It's why I've been trying other elf commanders

Wish there was a golgari one that I liked tho

I tried belbe for the joke and I got murked immediately lol

[copper pecan]

i've been playing [[marwyn]] in brawl and she's pretty fun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/68/marwyn-the-nurturer

Marwyn, the Nurturer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever another Elf you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on Marwyn.
: Add an amount of equal to Marwyn's power.
Midwife to mothers and leader to all.
1/1

[copper pecan]

the deck dies super hard to board wipes though

[barren cairn]

Fair lmao

[glad peak]

That’s to be expected lol

I remember her to be a very fun storm deck

[steady onyx]

do i go satoru or yurkio if i wanna play no jas

ninjas

[copper pecan]

yuriko

satoru is more about just cheating out big stuff rather than ninjas specifically

[glad peak]

Yuffie

[copper pecan]

thinking about Lore™️ and i've come to the conclusion that if ravnica was introduced today instead of 20 years ago, the playerbase wouldn't like it nearly as much

so much of why it's liked is just because of the vibes

the actual worldbuilding makes no sense a lot of the time

[glad peak]

It’s explained in-universe, a portal stitching together land (don’t worry about the details)

[copper pecan]

at least half of the guilds just seem to do random shit for literally no reason at all

[glad peak]

True and the gateless are just there but not explained

Like what’s the difference between the gateless and the gruul, who reject the guilds

Nephilim were meant to be mysterious so that’s fine

[steady onyx]

understandable

i kinda wanted a diff answer cause i dont wanna build yuriko cause too powerful

but maybe i just build a cedh deck

:/

i just wanna play ninjas with my friends but yuriko would completely stomp tjem

ther are no like lower powered underused ninja commanders righr

[glad peak]

You should just build cedh

Tbh non-cedh yuriko is strong but you’re missing out on some very strong cards so most of the times it’s fine

Since the best part about cedh yuriko is how you can draw a bunch into your combos

What’s in your playgroup?

[steady onyx]

structure decks

and starter decks

[glad peak]

There’s [[higure]] but he’s just bad, even for precons

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “higure”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

[[higure, the still wind]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pca/18/higure-the-still-wind

Higure, the Still Wind <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Higure deals combat damage to a player, you may search your library for a Ninja card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
: Target Ninja creature can't be blocked this turn.
3/4

[glad peak]

[[satoru, the infiltrator]] technically works

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/230/satoru-the-infiltrator

Satoru, the Infiltrator <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Ninja Rogue
Menace
Whenever Satoru and/or one or more other nontoken creatures you control enter, if none of them were cast or no mana was spent to cast them, draw a card.
"This backwater doesn't have a single wall, ward, or guard that could keep me out."
2/3

[steady onyx]

hes also
mono blue

[glad peak]

What’s wrong with mono blue?

[steady onyx]

i like the black ninjas

that aounds wrong

[glad peak]

If they’re new players I’d honestly recommend just going yuriko without the free spells so they learn the value of removal and threat assessment

It didn’t sound wrong until you pointed it out

[steady onyx]

also damn this is funny

[steady onyx]

do i just steal a list off scryfall then?

[glad peak]

You don’t have to but you can steal it from scryfall then remove all the cards that make it cedh

It’ll make for a pretty good deck but not too overwhelming

[steady onyx]

ok

i jusr forgot how much i liked ninja mechanic

the i played pauper mono blue

and remembered how awesome this was

and now wanna build a ninja thing in commander

[trail anvil]

there's also [[satoru, the infiltrator]] if you don't wanna worry about yuriko

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/230/satoru-the-infiltrator

Satoru, the Infiltrator <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Ninja Rogue
Menace
Whenever Satoru and/or one or more other nontoken creatures you control enter, if none of them were cast or no mana was spent to cast them, draw a card.
"This backwater doesn't have a single wall, ward, or guard that could keep me out."
2/3

[steady onyx]

how does this work with ninjitsu

i assume u draw

and is that for every monster you ninjitsu out?

or just one draw every combat

[trail anvil]

yeah you draw each time you ninjutsu because they aren't being cast

[past socket]

ngl Yuriko’s flavour text should be ”Commander tax is theft” - Yuriko

[trail anvil]

there's also [[goro-goro and satoru]] if you feel like adding red lol

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/445/goro-goro-and-satoru

Goro-Goro and Satoru <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Human
Whenever one or more creatures you control that entered this turn deal combat damage to a player, create a 5/5 red Dragon Spirit creature token with flying.
: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
3/4

[steady onyx]

ngl i prefer the card draw

this is cool

but that card draw looks absolutely insane

like t3-4

[trail anvil]

it's pretty solid if it sticks

[steady onyx]

i can also take a satoru deck and swap in yuriko for mdfc and some of the ones that sac creature and it would br hood deck aswell right?

[trail anvil]

what?

[past socket]

Going all tbe way to Sydney for cardboard time woo!

[golden plover]

Welp, just had to pay $5 for a [[Sharuun the Hegemon]] because there's none near me

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/219/sharuum-the-hegemon

Sharuum the Hegemon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When Sharuum enters, you may return target artifact card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
To gain audience with the hegemon, one must bring a riddle she has not heard.
5/5

[golden plover]

She's needed for Hashaton's other cool cedh line

[past socket]

Fab Module copy acquired lfg

[trail anvil]

@golden plover

[lusty trench]

Saying "or concept" feels wrong, because if during a meeting you make a card design and it's totally feasible to print, you could and probably will consider saving it to print it the next time it's viable to use the concept

Like the alternative to that is just saying "well this design can be done in paper, time to chuck it out and never even think about looking at it again"

That said I don't really care if an alchemy card is viable to print or not especially if it's a card made to help combat or support things that are specifically in the alchemy meta

[steady onyx]

https://moxfield.com/decks/_uD2XzNLvU62tvsyOySsTw

does this look good for yuriko

nvm

that has like 32 cards in it

https://moxfield.com/decks/_uD2XzNLvU62tvsyOySsTw
ah yes I should bring the deck with thorcale and demonic consulation to my mtg club where they all play precons

https://moxfield.com/decks/b-Cis5aZ20eijFbgWbXBsw
what if i just use this list or should I try to find a full power and take out carsd that are too pwoerufl

i think i wanna add 1 kaito at least cause i rly like the card

[glad peak]

I did specifically say to remove the cedh cards lol

Kaito’s good, sees play in the cedh version sometimes

[steady onyx]

what about the second list

is that ok

or should i put in the workd to take list and remove cedh cards

[glad peak]

Honestly get a full powered list and make a list of the cards to replace

That should account for like 30 card swaps

Second list is pretty good but of course remove Lim dul’s because they’re not ready for a “tutor” that lasts 20 minutes to resolve

[zinc shard]

Rune Knight, Celes 1RWB
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Knight

When this enters, discard any number of cards then draw that many cards plus one.
Whenever one or more other creatures you control enter the battlefield, if one or more of them entered the battlefield from a graveyard or were cast from graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

4/4

Alt commander from the Terra deck

[trail anvil]

this makes me think of alesha

goes infinite with persist + sac outlet ig

[glad peak]

Oh I actually like her a lot

She’s not good but persist combo enablers are great

[gritty nest]

builds deck to have a big restriction and to not make it too good
"man this deck sucks, its too slow"
"thats the point you ding dong!"
them: surprised face

[glad peak]

Which deck was it?

[golden plover]

Someone posted a meme on the circlejerk sub about roping on arena and it's wild seeing the divide. So many people going "Oh roping is fine if they use an emote."

[glad peak]

I mean, it’s a circlejerk sub, what did you expect lol

[golden plover]

True, just weird to see pro-roping takes

[steady onyx]

roping?

[golden plover]

Intentionally running the timer out on Arena

Doesn't do anything productive, just makes you an ass

[steady onyx]

oh

[trail anvil]

some people feel really justified about it in random scenarios

[steady onyx]

thats annoying yeah

it happens to me a lot

even in like silver

which is weird

[urban crane]

Peeps how do you deal with wanting to build to much decks disease

[trail anvil]

I play brawl

singleton format + free program = dozens of free decks

[urban crane]

I play commander so singleton does apply there atleast

[steady onyx]

free decks?

i cant find any free decks

it seems mad expensive to make a brawl deck

[trail anvil]

for you, probably

there are cheap brawl decks to be had though

once you get past the big wildcard drain that is land bases it's not too bad, but you should be crafting lands anyways

[steady onyx]

my wildcards have gone into

hmm

rdw

i also dont play arena much

this is the list i cut cedh cards from now

lets see if i can do this

to make yuriko deck

these are my cuts i think

• imma just use a cheaper landbase since i dont own good lands and gonna cut 2 of the mdfc
• cutting all tutors i think
• i like the flares cause they fun with yuriko
• cutting the orcale decmonic con
• cutting the staxxy cards
• replacing rocks with cheaper rocks
• then just cutting expensive cards >20-30 because i dont wanna spend THAT much on the deck at the end of the day

now just need to find stuff to replace with

anyone have fun ideas?

[trail anvil]

woah slow down there wizards!

[zinc shard]

Banishing Lights 5-8

[steady onyx]

😭

[twilit canyon]

more like 20-24

[golden plover]

At least this one is 3 mana

[trail anvil]

they're almost always 3 mana

[zinc shard]

Spongebob Secret Lair drops March 24th, 9 AM PT

SC: https://collider.com/spongebob-magic-the-gathering-special-secret-lair-images/

[sudden lava]

Gary Lands

[golden plover]

At least they're reskins

Lazy as hell to just do screenshots from the show

Also, they look SUPER out of place

[trail anvil]

bro they fit the memes in there lmao I'm dying

perfect choice for counterspell

[golden plover]

Honestly that's part of why I hate it

Feels very "how do you do fellow kids"

Just the creatures is stupid, but fine. Adding the memes feels super forced

[copper pecan]

i love the counterspell

[lusty trench]

Why'd they do my boi Patrick so dirty

[copper pecan]

after looking at the prices of the non secret lair versions of these cards this seems like a pretty good deal actually

normally they'd be around $35

[golden plover]

It's 3 different lairs

The legends, the memes, and the basics

[copper pecan]

oh

[sudden lava]

Basic Land lairs
How many of each?

[copper pecan]

well never mind then this is a pretty bad deal

[sudden lava]

also 30 dollars for non foil, 40 for foil

[golden plover]

The basics are one of each again

Yeah, all three of these bundles are... Kinda not good value

[sudden lava]

looks like they are buying singles of them, because 30 bucks for 5 basic lands (nonfoil) is YIKES

[copper pecan]

wait a second [[plagon]] and [[cybelle]] weren't reprinted even though they would have been perfect fits

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/37/plagon-lord-of-the-beach

Plagon, Lord of the Beach <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Starfish Wizard
When Plagon enters, draw a card for each creature you control with toughness greater than its power.
: Target creature you control assigns combat damage equal to its toughness rather than its power this turn.
"No more lurking in the shallows. We ride!"
0/3

No card found for “cybelle”

[sudden lava]

they didn't want to screenshot Patrick's buns of steel (joking)

[zinc shard]

Looks like we're getting a deadeye navigator in a future drop

[glad peak]

If you have roaming throne, run it, it’s one of the most fun casual cards you can play

I’ll take a look at the cuts and possible additions soon

[fallow citrus]

wait is the spongebob one real lmaoo

[steady onyx]

its expensive but i should prob pick up

i do play quite a few "tribal" decks

[trail anvil]

yep lol

[sudden lava]

yes, why wouldn't it be? We knew about this coming for awhile

[fallow citrus]

I'm soooo sorry I haven't heard about it

people joke about random shit in UB all the time I don't need the funny comment

[sleek ferry]

You better be sorry

This is the biggest thing to hit mtg since I took my talents over to mtg

[sudden lava]

You didn't watch magiccon? https://youtu.be/5sF2FKzEztM?t=3492

timestamped to right before where they announced it 4 months ago

Magic sets are now also gonna be 50/50 on UB and In-universe sets

(Not counting SL)

[trail anvil]

not everyone follows magic like that

I'd go so far as to say most players don't

[past socket]

I only learned recently that a Monty Python Secret Lair was a thing. Though it would’ve been far before my time regardless

Still love the bit of having 2 different Birds of Paradise reprints for the swallow joke

[sleek ferry]

I follow magic so much you would think I’m from Orlando

[fallow citrus]

whaat, no way, breach won

https://vxtwitter.com/StarCityGames/status/1898901907818586418?t=O798qNZTeQcHTsCW53RWCA&s=19

[glad peak]

Oh nooo who could’ve seen that coming

[hidden ermine]

Which format is that

[zinc shard]

Looks like modern

[sleek ferry]

Me, I think the deck is pretty low in the totem pole compared to the decks we’ve had recently

[golden plover]

Dammit Wotc

That's generative ai again

[sudden lava]

slime against humanity in a SL?

humanity*

[glad peak]

Breach has been very very good in this short format so far

6/8 top spots in some events is crazy for almost any deck

It was pretty playable before the unbans but the unbans really made the deck good

[golden plover]

That's the MKM printing, so doesn't guarantee anything

Also, they used AI on marketing materials now twice

[sudden lava]

oof

[golden plover]

And this one was after they said they wouldn't

[copper pecan]

what part of this is supposed to be ai?

[lusty trench]

The numbers on the calendar and keyboard are off

At least on the one before they corrected it I think that one pope posted is the fixed one

[copper pecan]

this just looks like photoshop to me

like a collage of stock photos

[lusty trench]

I can't find it but it was a topic of discussion on the subreddit

And that discussion is also gone

@golden plover yo you able to find the AI art banner?

If not I'm probably just gonna delete my comments here and assume my dumb mind dreamt it

[golden plover]

Look at the keys on the keyboard

[lusty trench]

They look fine to me

[golden plover]

A stock photo of a keyboard doesn't have keys like that

[golden plover]

Namely look at the 7 and 8 in the second image

[copper pecan]

oh ok

[golden plover]

The spider in the cup also has 10 legs

It's a lot of minor things, but it's definitely generative ai

[copper pecan]

they really need to be more careful with where they get stock images from then

[golden plover]

Yeah this is what, the third time now?

[sudden lava]

somehow makes the spider scarier

what they need the extra 2 legs for

[ornate cedar]

Is it The Office?

[steady onyx]

its done

[zinc shard]

wanted to build all the Fallout precons, but whenever I play Mothman I get targeted immediately. Might have to pivot to someone else

[stark skiff]

I hate that they’re not original. Reskin cards are so boring. Also hate the memes too. That’s shit you see people make a proxy of.

The lands are cool at least. Just wish the Forest had the Magic Conch.

[stark skiff]

No one likes mill

[zinc shard]

ill probbaly just make Muldrotha

[trail anvil]

people disproportionately hate mill tbh. it's understandable when you can't accurately assess how quick you're gonna die, but mothman mill isn't even what kills in mothman

[gritty nest]

Muldrotha with only creatures

[trail anvil]

are you running umori as a companion?

[past socket]

Is it just me or does Liberty Prime feel better in the Command Zone than Dr Li for Science!

Though Fallout just has a lot of cool stuff to put in there in general

[zinc shard]

yup, played a few games with the Science deck and Dr Li just doenst do anything

Prime is better at giving you card advantage and being a bigger threat

[past socket]

Though yeah Doc is comfy in my Satya deck’s 99

[trail anvil]

I get the impression dr. li would be better suited for some artifact storm deck

[zinc shard]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/777738754267955200/maros-tarkir-dragonstorm-teaser

[glad peak]

Welp I tried an experiment yesterday and it panned out exactly like I thought

Played yawgmoth with 99 lands and I still got targeted off the rip with no reasoning

[golden plover]

"Spells you cast have delve" is gonna break breach combo, yeah?

Like the deck needs more shit to break it

[glad peak]

probably not in the current state?

[golden plover]

I guess it depends on how strong the card is

If it's even remotely good then modern is super cooked tho

[glad peak]

i don't see how that would break modern tbh, rn breach is good because of mopal unban alongside the unbans

[golden plover]

If it's good enough it's another card to slot into the combo

[fallow citrus]

breach doesn't need breaking lol

it's already broken

[golden plover]

But it doesn't matter tbh, breach is already insane

[glad peak]

you loop 0 mana artifacts to generate mana and then loop the win con

[fallow citrus]

it would probably be good if they banned mopal in modern

[golden plover]

Besides, I figure this would have a huge downside of "you can only cast 1 spell or something"

[fallow citrus]

but banning mopal is the wrong hit

[golden plover]

Breach has low-key been waiting for a ban for a long time tbh

Card is busted, just didn't have a home for a bit

[glad peak]

grind breach was a thing for a while and was fine, mopal really broke it

mopal isn't really the ban target though so breach it is

[fallow citrus]

mopal is used in exactly 1 tier 1 deck and it's breach

[glad peak]

sure but wotc isnt going to do the dredge unhit/hit thing again

most likely anyways

[fallow citrus]

well all they need to do is ban breach

and that's it

[golden plover]

Theoretically we'll know by the end of the month

But they might just do another "no bans" list

[sudden lava]

turtle

is that rooftop storm dragon version?

[glad peak]

breach isn't used in any other deck than breach either and is broken now from the releasing of mopal, it's a rough situation for both cards

unless they do the out of nowhere banning of grinding station lol

[fallow citrus]

breach will always have a card that breaks it though

and was still a deck before mopal was unbanned iirc

[golden plover]

Yeah if they ban mopal, breach ends up being broken again in a few months/years

[glad peak]

it was a pretty bad deck before mopal's unban, but yes

[golden plover]

If they ban breach, mopal is probably fine

[fallow citrus]

it would only really be played in affinity

[glad peak]

hammer also (what even happened to that deck)

i see it played here and there but overall gone

[fallow citrus]

mopal is not breaking hammer at least

[glad peak]

i didn't say breaking, i said it was seeing play there

both cards really inhibit design, one for artifacts and the other for graveyard stuff, i'm leaning towards breach ban for a couple reasons in and out of the game

[golden plover]

Breach limits design space a lot more than mopal

[copper pecan]

i really wish they would stop trying to do new moxen

like they're almost always either garbage or broken

[golden plover]

Moxen and Lotus

It just feels lazy to go "oh remember that card?"

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/TandyMTG/status/1899476536039756170?t=2dTyOK_5bXy-fb2ODXelQw&s=19

Todd Anderson (@TandyMTG) on X

Hey @wizards_magic fishing for game losses is against the code of conduct and cheating.

X · Mar 11, 2025, 3:04 PM

Big thread showcasing a rule shark

[copper pecan]

to me it's not even about the laziness and more that the gameplay with them is basically never fun

i'd be fine with lazy designs if they were at least fun to play

but it's just really hard to make a 0 mana ramp card and not have it either be broken (the original moxen and lotus, lions eye diamond, mox diamond) or way too situational (mox tantalite, lotus bloom, mox jasper)

the only lotus card i've seen that i didn't think was a bad design was [[gilded lotus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/725/gilded-lotus

Gilded Lotus <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact
: Add three mana of any one color.
Over such beauty, wars are fought. With such power, wars are won.

[trail anvil]

assuming this without even seeing anything about the card is way too early

[golden plover]

Nah, I'm not expecting it to replace anything in the list

[trail anvil]

i.e. look at tezzeret6, dude gives everything affinity but he's 6 mana

[golden plover]

If it's good tho, it'd be an issue with the deck

But the deck is already an issue

And giving everything delve probably has to come with a huge downside

[trail anvil]

I'm saying you can put historically broken effects on not broken cards by doing them smart

context is important

[golden plover]

Yeah, for sure

It'll depend a lot on the card

Was mostly just joking about delve being a badly designed mechanic most of the time

[trail anvil]

you could probably even do a balanced dredge card by putting it on an 8 mana demon who gives the effect while it's on the field

[golden plover]

Yeah it's gotta be on a body, and this gotta be big

[zinc shard]

Thinking of making Yuriko so I have a more competitive deck, is $100 a decent starting point?

[glad peak]

Very

There are budget cedh lists that are at the price points

And then you can slowly build up to the more expensive pieces (some being the price of the entire deck but still) since the replacements are still very powerful

[zinc shard]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5789170#paper

This is the list I found, its a couple years old

[gritty nest]

Yes

[past socket]

Commander night with some new adjustments to Satya

Ended up doing a funny thing of looping the funny sad robbit in one of the games though ultimately got ousted by a Voltron deck due to al the l o o p s

[golden plover]

Had to play alchemy for the midweek magic and... How is Raise the Past not just the best deck in the game in that format?

Bats are already strong, and Alchemy gives them like 3 more cards that should just make the deck absurd?

Obviously I don't play alchemy because it's not a real format, but what prevents raise the past from just being absurd. All the other real decks lose cards

[copper pecan]

how is it not a real format

if you can play it it's a real format

[twilit canyon]

silly you. its only a real format if it fits the arbitrary description of magic decided on by a bunch of 40 y olds who adamantly refuse to move on from one specific format from 11 years ago

the same is true for cards. they are only real magic cards by the same metric

[sleek ferry]

Nah, it’s only a real format if I deem it so

[twilit canyon]

truee

[glad peak]

Both could be true, maybe you’re a person of that description

[sleek ferry]

In other news

I woke up at 7am today

Played 12 ranked games

Went 12-0

Then I lost and now I’m not touching arena until tomorrow

[glad peak]

so the more i look at celes the more i like her

she can wheel away reanimation targets, be a delney, roaming throne, harmonic prodigy deck, and simultaneously be an abdel adrian/worldgorger deck

and play all of the soft stax interaction as needed, with redcap just being a coincidental win con

[trail anvil]

I was gonna say doesn't her cathar's effect conflict with delney, but ETBs won't care about the power increasing later on. that's pretty fun

shame dockside is banned /s

[glad peak]

i'm actually pretty happy about her mixture of abilities

fits very nicely into this pile all on accident

[trail anvil]

yeah she seems like she's the whole package, fixes bricks on her own too

[glad peak]

4 mana is always sort of an issue but eh

i can work around that

[trail anvil]

you think she's gonna be the most popular commander out of the ones revealed in this set so far?

[glad peak]

also i don't need mana rocks for adrian combo to be good since i can just copy celes's etb and to end the combo reanimate either worldgorger for infinite mana/hand sculpt and then go for the kill

probably not but she does have the most potential from what i'm seeing so far

i might be cooking too hard here but i want to make this more of an aggro deck that has side lines of combo potential

well speaking of cooking too hard, [[altar of dementia]] + [[puppeteer clique]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia

Altar of Dementia <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Target player mills cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
"It is not that you will go mad. It is that you will beg for madness." —Volrath

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/769/puppeteer-clique

Puppeteer Clique <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
When this creature enters, put target creature card from an opponent's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It gains haste. At the beginning of your next end step, exile it.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
3/2

[glad peak]

but yeah at the end of the day she becomes combo trash pile with good generic creatures that can also beat down lol

[urban crane]

What are some good equipments to look out for when cloud comes out?

The naya one

[glad peak]

Skullclamp and a bunch of the free ones/free equip ones

Just because you care more about the amount of creatures with equips rather than the equips themselves

Oh and stuff like [[mask of immolation]] which brings a creature with it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/151/mask-of-immolation

Mask of Immolation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, create a 1/1 red Elemental creature token, then attach this Equipment to it.
Equipped creature has "Sacrifice this creature: It deals 1 damage to any target."
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[urban crane]

Wb stuff like Excalibur and the other popular ones?

[glad peak]

Excalibur might not be bad since you can get it down for real cheap

A lot of the popular ones are going to be a hard no though

Like the swords are just real bad

[urban crane]

Why too expensive?

[glad peak]

3 then 2 is too expensive for a deck trying to get as much card velocity as possible

I might recommend sram, koll and the 0 drops for this exact reason too

[urban crane]

Also what about greaves and swiftfoot

[glad peak]

probably the most reasonable of the most popular ones

[trail anvil]

whoa furry secret lair!

[stark skiff]

Instant best seller

[glad peak]

Ok did some testing with celes

Abdel turning your commander into ad naus is pretty pretty good

And delney + redcap is pretty bad but it’s another win con

[glad peak]

So I may have misread celes

[trail anvil]

which part

[glad peak]

The last part, I thought she only gave counters to the one creature coming back

[golden plover]

Nah she's like Cathar's Crusade

https://preview.redd.it/36kzdmp1eboe1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=24f60a47f071964e6194e82021289999e3caed15

Why aren't her wings bent

Like she's standing at an angle and her wings are still just regular

[glad peak]

Yeah shes a lot better than I thought

Also opens the possibility of minimal win con stax

Blink her or something, discard stax pieces you don’t need, draw into interaction or combo piece

[ornate cedar]

This is my play pattern too lol

[gritty nest]

Have you guys ever seen an unreasonably overpriced lgs

[glad peak]

Not really, usually just tcgplayer mid * 10% prices

[trail anvil]

after taking the survey for dft it's really made me think about how even universes within sets feel kinda flanderized lately

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's really been a problem as of late

Aetherdrift is just the most recent "guys here's a silly theme haha" set but MKM and OTJ were BAD about it too

[trail anvil]

ig this last set really did deliver on a death race within multiple planes while taking some quirks from the planes. but then you have shit like winter randomly popping in, Chandra and crew being a marvel main cast (why was loot with them, did they explain in the story?)

[golden plover]

Luckily Tarkir looks like a return to form

Imo Aetherdrift shouldve ONLY used teams from the planes they were on

[golden plover]

Valgavoth kidnapped Loot, Winter lost him. I dunno it was weak

I'm also really disappointed by what they did to Kylem in the set

Why were they there

Why are they like hard sci-fi now?

[trail anvil]

... bruh

did they even visit that plane

[golden plover]

There was very light sci-fi stuff on Kylem last time

The Cloudspire racing team comes from Kylem

But I'm gonna choose to ignore that decision because it's stupid as fuck and wrong

Kylem is like mostly fantasy, with some light sci-fi tech

But then the Cloudspire team is like all Tron?

This dude has fucking light swords and shit

That's not the same plane

You're telling me that outside the city is just still regular ass woods and everyone dresses like fantasy dudes?

But inside it is Tron?

[trail anvil]

in the actual games maybe ig, but it's definitely very jarring

[golden plover]

I just don't think it makes any sense for Cloudspire to be from Kylem

Honestly, Aetherdrift had a ton of issues

But their precons were good since they were kinda just a regular return to Avishkar and Amonkhet

[trail anvil]

temur precon is weird to me

[golden plover]

The Temur one isn't great, but at least thematically it feels like Avishkar

[trail anvil]

esper was a very obvious success for a number of reasons but the energy one, eh

[golden plover]

Also... I gotta say, I really don't like the Temur precon alt commander

[trail anvil]

I'm still wondering why nissa is there lol

the alt commander seemed kinda fun to me, saheeli felt like another satya to me

[golden plover]

The token [[Pia Nalaar, Chief Mechanic]] makes is annoying to track

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/drc/2/pia-nalaar-chief-mechanic

Pia Nalaar, Chief Mechanic <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever one or more artifact creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, you get (two energy counters).
At the beginning of your end step, you may pay one or more . If you do, create an X/X colorless Vehicle artifact token named Nalaar Aetherjet with flying and crew 2, where X is the amount of spent this way.
2/4

[golden plover]

Especially since they're not legendary and you can make multiple

[trail anvil]

can't you just represent the p/t with dice if you don't have an infinitoken

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the issue comes up if it gets counters or whatever

It's not the worst, I just think she should've made either a set token or it been legendary so you're not tracking 4 different pts

[trail anvil]

that happens with a lot of different decks, you just have two different dice at least

[golden plover]

Yeah true. Just don't love it

Tbh it's not like Hashaton tho

The Saheeli is way more interesting

And Hashaton is WAY cooler than Temnet

[trail anvil]

hashaton is a reanimator player's wet dream, but temnet is cool as a go-wide zombie commander tbh

I like how he can pump a board super fast

[golden plover]

I dunno, he's unfortunately kinda just a lord that sometimes draws cards

Hashaton has a ton of funky interactions

[trail anvil]

I think the biggest problem is that he's competing with varina lol

both are good in each other's decks ig

[golden plover]

Yeah true

Hashaton is also cedh viable which is cool

[steady onyx]

i like her better ngl

[trail anvil]

what's saving saheeli is the fact she can copy anything at least

if not for that she's just satya

[golden plover]

Yeah, copying artifacts is cool

[steady onyx]

she felt rly strong when i played her like an instant target so i didnt like getting unplayable because she was hyper targeted the second she hit board

[trail anvil]

oh honey you should've never looked the way of yuriko

[steady onyx]

i know

but its like

yuriko i cna flare away

if gets target

[golden plover]

Tbf you kinda do need to target the yuriko player the second they exist

Because they're gonna be swinging with her every turn

[trail anvil]

god kinda tangential but I remember one game knights fan episode where they brought someone on who played like 4 board wipes in the game with yuriko lmao

[glad peak]

The funniest interaction I had with yuriko is when I got norn down vs yuriko

Yuriko can’t trigger

I’m glad to say I was wrong about hashiton but it’s mainly due to meta shifts tbf

He plays really well into more midrange hell, moreso than existed when he was announced

Turn 3 onwards back to back card advantage haymakers is really hard to interact with

[sleek ferry]

Would be a shame if you ended up on a table with 2 rogsai players….

[glad peak]

True

But that’s just how the game works lol

[sleek ferry]

It’s kinda in the same spot as Codie, except easier

People don’t play Codie because the deck is considered harder than your average cedh deck

[glad peak]

Codie was hella turbo

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I meant more in how hard it is to interact with their wins

[golden plover]

I think Hashaton is fine into most tables

Also Hashaton does have an uninterrupted win

Angel's Grace, LED, Thoracle Leveler

Which is cool

[glad peak]

I think the main way to play it should be soft stax

[glad peak]

To make it harder for turbo to win but not necessarily wasting a card vs midrange

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTEnBDzEs4o&ab_channel=Cardmarket-Magic

Honestly like this thumbnail style more

Makes it feel more confident in itself

[zinc shard]

im so mad

who runs TWO Craterhoof Behemoths!?

[urban crane]

It worked apperently

[copper pecan]

diego

it says in the upper left corner

[zinc shard]

fuck Diego, all my homies hate Diego

[copper pecan]

it's so diegover diegbros...

[zinc shard]

this achievment will be the death of me

[past socket]

You see, it’s the Craterhood Behemoth you leasr expect that get you

[golden plover]

God fuck Sheoldred

Lost a game because I sunfalled, they anointed with affliction my token, and with both of us on empty hands, they topdecked Sheoldred. My life was at 6, then at 4

[sleek ferry]

Should have topdecked better

[golden plover]

Right, should've drawn the Sheoldred I don't run

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/tarkir-dragonstorm-episode-6-how-wretched-love

[subtle sierra]

Is that loot?

[trail anvil]

well that is jace so probably actually

[copper pecan]

yeah it's loot

he's looking extra scrunkly today

[subtle sierra]

Can they retcon him already?

I really hate him

He looks stupid and ugly

[copper pecan]

he's just a little guy

[golden plover]

Passive, uptick, 0, downtick

Just like Chandra

[trail anvil]

looking forward to the static

[golden plover]

Honestly, this art is a little too close to MOM elspeth tbh

[glad peak]

Hopefully there’s more free interaction in Mardu colors in ff since they really put 2 mage hybrids on the Mardu commander deck

Maybe a lightning rod effect for celes that’s just deflecting swat

(Totally not brought to you by the Celes cedh coalition)

[golden plover]

God I love making a control player have to find a win in like 3 minutes before they lose to timer. Even if the timer doesn't get them, they're playing suboptimally at that point and you can take the game

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/CenterOftheSea2/status/1900453341068427773?t=7Rwk6Y3BZ453Leunx2FxLA&s=19

Chris Theodorou (@CenterOftheSea2) on X

My ocelot pride token watching me resolve goblin bombardment #MTG

X · Mar 14, 2025, 7:45 AM

[gritty nest]

When your opponent cheats

Cast commander, gets on phone, after getting off phone, asks if it was their turn now, then proceeds to do beginning step stuff (untap upkeep draw)

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkzXtoG_bZE&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

I think this needs more talking about

Standard got more expensive via 6 set releases per year

And now 3 of those sets are upcharged

And become mandatory purchases for any and all competitive players

[golden plover]

Yeah I've mentioned before that I think this is unironically gonna kill paper standard

When every paper standard deck is the price of a PS5 and you're rotating them every 3 months, you're... Kinda fucked

[rigid scarab]

Nevermind the whole UB and "I don't wanna slap product signs on the board"

[golden plover]

Like this completely goes against the reviving standard thing

Completely ignoring my distates for UB, if half the sets are twice the price and there's 6 a year it's... Ridiculous

[rigid scarab]

Not double

$1-2 more per pack

Still incredibly egregious

[golden plover]

True, but that adds up a lot for decks

Consider something like Sheoldred the Apocalypse

Each was $80 and you needed 4 in standard for a bit

If a UB card is in the same position, I wouldn't be surprised if they were $150+ a copy

And then you're looking at a $600+ standard deck

The average paper player won't wanna be spending $600+ for a deck that's only good for 2-3 months

Legitimately, this is going to kill paper standard

[rigid scarab]

It's getting to the point where

Standard might legitimately be harder to get into than TCG Yugioh

[golden plover]

And that'd kill it

Straight up standard's biggest appeal is that it's a fraction of the price of other formats

[trail anvil]

rn standard's biggest appeal is that it's free on arena lol

[golden plover]

Yeah, but most actual standard events are paper

And the "revitalizing paper standard" goal doesn't seem likely if paper standard is $600+

[trail anvil]

I still think rotation being extended kinda defeated the purpose of standard too. I get you want people to have their cards legal for longer so they don't feel like their money is being wasted on rotation, but it kept the format fresh

I also feel like you could use worse cards, and by extension get into the format easier

[golden plover]

Yeah extended rotation is kinda fucked up

There's way more shits in standard rn than ever before

[trail anvil]

beating pixie at their own game is so satisfying

[golden plover]

Tbh the Esper build is DOGSHIT

Real pixie players are on Orzhov

The deck is MUCH better

[trail anvil]

tbh at this point I'm just playing stuff to use with beans lol, cause it's nice either way

I also like baloth as a card

[golden plover]

I can't wait for beans to get banned ngl

[twilit canyon]

you're probably gonna be waiting a loooong time

[golden plover]

Card needs to go this list

[twilit canyon]

lol

[golden plover]

Nah, I can see it going end of the month

[twilit canyon]

[golden plover]

Brian Kibler made a video about how it's the most problematic card in standard

I think people know it's an issue

[copper pecan]

brian "please don't call me brian "brian kibler" kibler" kibler?

[past socket]

Award winning science educator Brian Kibler?

[copper pecan]

playing against an azorius deck that was running [[mana tithe]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/26/mana-tithe

Mana Tithe <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Those who seek to upset the balance must be taxed for such ambitions." —Verithain, mesa high priest

[copper pecan]

baffled as to why they did this. azorius could just run actual counterspells instead of this

[trail anvil]

tempo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twilit canyon]

anyone running mana tithe is just doing it for the lols

sure

it could have been spell pierce

miscast even

but its not as funny or tilting

[trail anvil]

but what if you need to counter a creature spell misty /s

[urban crane]

Do people think [[sarkhan soul aflame]] wil be reprinted or not?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/46/sarkhan-soul-aflame

Sarkhan, Soul Aflame <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever a Dragon you control enters, you may have Sarkhan become a copy of it until end of turn, except its name is Sarkhan, Soul Aflame and it's legendary in addition to its other types.
2/4

[urban crane]

Wrong sarkhan

[[Sarkhan unbroken]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/230/sarkhan-unbroken

Sarkhan Unbroken <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sarkhan
+1: Draw a card, then add one mana of any color.
−2: Create a 4/4 red Dragon creature token with flying.
−8: Search your library for any number of Dragon creature cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Loyalty: 4

[urban crane]

This one do we believe it wil be reprinted or not?

[glad peak]

Maybe in the commander deck but I don’t see why in the main set unless they bring back random ways to get a spark

[golden plover]

They also typically don't reprint walkers unless it's a lore agnostic set

[zinc shard]

Dont think we've gotten this effect in Red before

[trail anvil]

huh now that's super weird

[subtle sierra]

This is a green card

Why is it red

[trail anvil]

because it bounces a land at end of turn

[subtle sierra]

So it's simic then

Btw what's the meta rn in standard

[trail anvil]

monored aggro, gruul delirium, jeskai monument, esper/orzhov pixie, domain

well ig domain isn't even the correct name for it anymore, it's more overlord spam with zur

[subtle sierra]

What's pixie?

I kinda like zur but the bitch needs so many mythics

[trail anvil]

self bounce with [[this town aint big enough for the both of us]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/74/this-town-aint-big-enough

This Town Ain't Big Enough <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a permanent you control.
Return up to two target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
"All that fancy footwork, and you can't even dodge one silly little rope? Cryin' shame, that is."

[zinc shard]

I feel ya. I started buying the Mythic Duskmourn packs just to try and get the Overlords

[subtle sierra]

Ah, so the cringe deck

[trail anvil]

all decks are truly cringe under magic

[steady onyx]

i wanna play this deck so damn much but its so expenvei irl and on arena

[twilit canyon]

its expensive and its bad

[steady onyx]

really?

but it looks cool

some dude got 1st mythic with it

which means its good

[twilit canyon]

i think you know that isnt a metric for a deck being good

[steady onyx]

i mean i dont 100% know that

since i know jack shit about arena ladder

but i assumed it wasnt like amazing

i assume tournaments are where u get to know which decks are better

[twilit canyon]

it really isnt that amazing

arena ladder rewards grinding more than raw skill

[steady onyx]

that makes sense

[twilit canyon]

sure you need skill and a good deck to climb but you need way more time than either of those

[steady onyx]

i mean thats true for most competetive ladders

TBF

[twilit canyon]

this deck in question has problems

[steady onyx]

like theres only a certian point skill can get you and then its just the time you put into grinding

[twilit canyon]

quite a lot of them imo

1st, its 61 cards

that in and of itself is a big factor

[steady onyx]

this deck looks based and good and not super expensive

it mainly looks based cause my favorite standard card kaito is in it

[twilit canyon]

this is a pretty standard esper bounce

[steady onyx]

i just like the ninjitsu mechanic

[twilit canyon]

i prefer pure dimir

[steady onyx]

i forgot how mcuh i liked it

[twilit canyon]

i dont think you need the white cards much

but esper is fine ig

[steady onyx]

but then i started playing mono blue ninja faries in pauper

[twilit canyon]

since it does build up on your collection of rare duals

[steady onyx]

and now i wanna play ninjistu everywhere

[steady onyx]

now wait a secon

pot of prosperity!

[twilit canyon]

you might be stupid

[steady onyx]

are cards like that good in mtg

[twilit canyon]

i didnt know prosp special summoned or played the 2 cards immediately

[steady onyx]

oh i misread it

;-;

[twilit canyon]

and yes they are

[steady onyx]

i know stuff like atraxa that is the top 10 or whatever is like playable

[twilit canyon]

[[stock up]] is seeing play in control rn

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/67/stock-up

Stock Up <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top five cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
"We are now accepting over eleven different interplanar currencies, including polished moonfall!"

[zinc shard]

[[Collected Company]] was a powerhouse

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/177/collected-company

Collected Company <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Look at the top six cards of your library. Put up to two creature cards with mana value 3 or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
Many can stand where one would fall.

[twilit canyon]

yes but this is an instant

the new card is not

you look at 1 more but get more flex

it should be good

[steady onyx]

but it also puts on battlefield

which seems strong

it seems good in the white decks cause iirc

they have the stupid ass

cards that banish ur shit

when they etb

i dont like those cards

[trail anvil]

isn't this just pure value with esper pixie

[zinc shard]

Also new Secret Lairs: "Dogs are better then Cats" and "Cats are better than Dogs"

[trail anvil]

maybe you want higher value permanents with this actually since it's a sorcery

[twilit canyon]

eh

[zinc shard]

This could see play in that Artifact deck

[trail anvil]

yeah tbh, cheating out 2 synthesizers or repurposing bays sounds better ig

[zinc shard]

You know this got me thinking: how good of a EDH deck could you make only using cards from Secret Lairs?

[rigid scarab]

I'd assume they would be fine

[zinc shard]

Not counting the ones that are just preconstructed EDH decks obviously

[twilit canyon]

affinity can cause it to whiff on certain good cards

but also esper bounce can end up running low impact spells that dont feel as good cheated out

especially cus its noncreature spells

[golden plover]

Honestly, if you wanna play Pixie, Orzhov is much better than Esper

Less chance of your lands fucking your colors over, and a much better wincon

[twilit canyon]

orzhov is really funny

its pure ass 🔥

i think i'd rather play esper over orzhov

[golden plover]

Orzhov is consistently the stronger deck by far

Like all the meta reports say Orzhov Pixie CLEARS Esper pixie in WR by a LONG shot

It's probably because the deck has a real plan for when it can't bounce shit

And it's favorable into and Dimir, Esper. Aggro cannot beat it at all, outside of lucky hands

And most importantly, it's like 50/50 against Overlord Piles, which matters a lot because that deck is everywhere until beanstalk dies

Out of the two pixie decks, Orzhov is the much better deck

[steady onyx]

i wanna play pixie cause of kaito bane of nightmares

so at least I need to play dimir

i dont really wanna play pixie ngl

[golden plover]

Yeah Orzhov doesn't run Kaito

[steady onyx]

mainly just wanna play kaito

[golden plover]

Their wincon is Unholy Annex

[steady onyx]

/ any other cards in standard with ninjits

nibjitsu

niniitsu

[golden plover]

Nah, it's just Kaito

[steady onyx]

is kamigawa still in standard

cause cant u run stuff like moon circut

or not good enough

[golden plover]

Nah, Kamigawa rotated

[steady onyx]

sD

sad

[golden plover]

I dunno why you're laugh reacting btw? Orzhov Pixie is tied with Azorious Control as highest WR in standard

They're the only decks above a 55% WR in the field

[twilit canyon]

esper pixie has a lower wr cus it and domain are by far the most played decks lol

the at best 5% azorius control will obviously have a higher winrate when ppl were unprepared for it

and idt orzhov is even a percentile part

[golden plover]

It's like tier 2, but it's favored into the entirety of t1

The only matchups pixie struggles into are omniscience and it's pretty even into domain

[twilit canyon]

i dont think thats true

omni isnt even a good deck

domain should smash any and all fair decks especially if you arent even breaking parity with this town

[golden plover]

Omni isn't, but they can dodge all our removal

[twilit canyon]

thats bad

[golden plover]

Domain loses to you ripping their hand and breaking the parity with annex

[twilit canyon]

considering how frail the omni deck is

[golden plover]

They can't play with no hand and Loran/Lockdown to take all their shit away

[twilit canyon]

domain never loses to hand rips

?

maybe super slow starts

but even then

unless your clock is as fast as mono red or gruul

[golden plover]

Momentum Breaker, LoTV Loran, and Lockdown kinda just blow them out

[twilit canyon]

you are not beating domain

[golden plover]

They can't keep bodies on the board unless it gets to super late game

In that case they've got it

But they usually lose well before that

[twilit canyon]

i dont believe that one bit but okay

[golden plover]

In mythic I've very rarely had an issue with domain

Unless I keep a hand I shouldn't or they get an insane board, but it's not a bad matchup

But honestly even temporary lockdown does a lot to fix the issue with domain

Since they lose all their beanstalks

[twilit canyon]

i love giving them a 2 mana draw 2-4

1 mana even sometimes

[golden plover]

Flickering Loran also fucks over Domain hard

[twilit canyon]

not really

and thats something you can and will do in esper anyways

so you lose a color, losing this town, losing kaito, losing talent, losing techs like entity tracker, and losing spell pierces for...?

[stark skiff]

Holy! Are these double sided?

[zinc shard]

no, those are two sepearte lairs

[stark skiff]

I think Professor did this on some old episode. I know he got trolled by people using them.

[stark skiff]

Wow what a rip especially with the previous Dual Faced Cats dog SLD

[sleek ferry]

Esper is very reliant on their first 7 imo

I think the meta is pretty wide open rn tbh

[twilit canyon]

thats right

[sudden lava]

btw seems this means we're getting cards on birthdays

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1jd7800/upcoming_final_fantasy_birthdayspotential_reveal/?rdt=61105

[steady onyx]

@twilit canyon no wway there is like a cheap dimir bounce deck right?

[twilit canyon]

kinda

but not really

[steady onyx]

ok

is my best budget still rdw?

[twilit canyon]

rdw is kind of expensive rn

ton of rares

[steady onyx]

i own rdw on are a

also kinda talking about irl

[twilit canyon]

oh irl

bounce is probs cheap/cheapest?

[steady onyx]

oh ok

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/tifa-thoughts-ff7-rebirth-tifa-thoughts-ff7-rebirth-tifa-thinking-tifa-thinking-gif-2973419932476835651

Can't wait for May 3rd